Digital Social Hour
AI Is Replacing Jobs: Here's How to Stay Ahead | Nathaniel DeGrave DSH #1166
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Is AI really taking over jobs? In this eye-opening episode of the Digital Social Hour, Sean Kelly sits down with a guest who shares their incredible journey of resilience and reinvention. From navigating personal struggles to embracing the power of AI, this episode is packed with valuable insights for anyone ready to adapt and thrive in the age of rapid technological change. Discover how AI is transforming industries, why it's crucial to stay ahead, and the mindset needed to embrace the future. Whether you're a business owner, professional, or just curious about the future of work, this conversation will leave you inspired and informed. Don't miss out—tune in now! Watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets. Hit that subscribe button and stay tuned for more eye-opening stories on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! Let's shape the future together. #digitalmarketing #makemoneyonline #digitalmarketingcourse #howtomakemoneyonline #workforcetransformation CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:25 - Nathaniel's Jail Experience 04:34 - Arrest on the Spot 06:27 - Legal Process and Lawyers 10:54 - Delays in the Case 13:48 - Upcoming Developments 14:05 - No Bailouts Explained 16:45 - Family Contact During Incarceration 17:28 - FBI Director Resignation 19:34 - Trump's Pro-Crypto Position 23:18 - Discussion on UFOs 24:10 - Exploring Conspiracy Theories 25:50 - AI in Business Automation 26:53 - Will AI Replace Jobs? 27:03 - Understanding the Singularity APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [email protected] GUEST: Nathaniel DeGrave https://www.instagram.com/j6patriotnate/ SPONSORS: Specialized Recruiting Group: https://www.srgpros.com/ LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/
Chapter 1: What was Nathaniel's experience in jail?
All right, guys. Got a fellow Vegas local here today, Nate the Grave. Thanks for coming on, man. Yeah, thank you for having me. Yeah, fellow J6er too. Yeah, yeah. Fellow? Yeah. Really? No, I'm not, but you are. It's a good thing. Exciting times now with the new announcements, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, my life's about to change in January. They're going to pardon everyone, apparently.
Trump said not just the first hour, he said the first nine minutes. Whoa. Of being, and I believe, I mean, he's just, he's been consistent about that. Yeah. Man, you got to go through four years of, you know, off time.
Chapter 2: How did Nathaniel navigate the legal process?
Yeah, it's been a long journey. About two years actually locked up behind bars and then another nine months at halfway house and 12 months in home incarceration. I couldn't leave the house. Holy crap. Yeah. I mean, not even to take out the trash. Oh my God. Which one of those three was the toughest?
Two years, the nine months? I mean, yeah, the jail was always the worst. I mean, jails are typically more dangerous and underfunded compared to actual prisons, which are federally funded. So that was the worst. I mean, I spent like probably six months in solitary confinement because I refused to get the shot, the vaccine. Holy crap. So they made everyone in jail get the vaccine?
Basically. It was like get the vaccine or go into the hole, which is solitary confinement. That should be illegal. It probably is. Are you going to pursue them for that? Because that's fucked up. Oh, we're going to sure pursue them. So not only just pardons, but reparations, probably fines against the BOP, the DC jail, the DC DOC, which is the jail.
I mean, yeah, you got four years of no salary and then potential earnings and all the trauma from it, right? Right. So it's not only just the emotional trauma, but yeah, it's the lost income. Yeah. Could have been, you know, I had a business and was doing really well. Really? What was the business?
It was an outsourcing company. And I was also doing internet marketing, making a ton of money. And they took it all. You know, I lost all of that. Holy crap. I had to rebuild everything. Dude, that's nuts. So everyone's in a little bit of a different situation, right? Some people went to jail. Some people got out early. Some people are still in jail. Yeah, and many that I know and still talk to.
Yeah, so what was that based off of? Yeah, I mean, a lot of the charges that they were putting on people like myself turned out to not be valid charges. Like the 1512C2, it's actually... It's a witness tampering charge is what it is. But they're using that to charge people who went inside the Capitol. Witness tampering? It's a witness tampering statute, which makes no sense. Huh.
Yeah, that doesn't even... And they're trying to apply that to people who entered the Capitol because... The name of the statute is actually obstruction of an official proceeding. But it's a considered witness tampering charge. And this was argued extensively by attorneys, judges, other judges even. But the D.C. judges were upholding the charge and putting people behind bars for a long time.
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Chapter 3: What are the implications of AI on job security?
Eventually, the Supreme Court found out, just like I knew and many other people knew, It wasn't a valid charge. They dropped it.
Chapter 4: Will AI truly replace jobs in the future?
Chapter 5: What does the future hold for Nathaniel after his release?
Yeah, and many that I know and still talk to. Yeah, so what was that based off of?
Yeah, I mean, a lot of the charges that they were putting on people like myself turned out to not be valid charges. Like the 1512C2, it's actually... It's a witness tampering charge is what it is. But they're using that to charge people who went inside the Capitol. Witness tampering? It's a witness tampering statute, which makes no sense. Huh.
Yeah, that doesn't even... And they're trying to apply that to people who entered the Capitol because... The name of the statute is actually obstruction of an official proceeding. But it's a considered witness tampering charge. And this was argued extensively by attorneys, judges, other judges even. But the D.C. judges were upholding the charge and putting people behind bars for a long time.
Eventually, the Supreme Court found out, just like I knew and many other people knew, It wasn't a valid charge. They dropped it. So crazy. And just yesterday they announced there was 26 federal agents, right? Yeah, it's not surprising. I think there's probably 100 plus, honestly. Damn. I think that's the real number.
So there was that many in the crowd? Yeah. Did you know going into it? No, I didn't. Did you see them there or did you have any feelings?
Post event, I kind of knew and I started putting together the pieces. That makes sense. But during that actual time, I didn't know. What I did know is that I seen the doors wide open and police were waving us in. I was even fist bumping and high fiving cops walking through the Capitol building. So a person doesn't think, well, I might be doing something wrong. Right. If you just fist bump the cop.
So the doors were open. The doors were wide open. Yeah. And people were just pouring inside. How many people went in? Oh God, probably hundreds, if not, you know, maybe a thousand plus even. Holy crap. Yeah. And then of course, when you see it on the news, you see the small window of that event and they try to turn that into the entire event. When reality was a very small fraction of people.
And even those people were provoked and attacked first by the cops. Right. So in a lot of senses, it could be justified. That's so nuts. When did the arrest start? Was it on the spot? Yeah. So I was one of the J6 OG space, like one of the first people arrested and thrown in a DC jail. I think it was like January, the end of January. This was like the first couple of days.
So it was after. So you already left though. It was after. Yeah, I left. I immediately went back home to Vegas. And they threw you all the way in. So they flew you back? Yeah, they actually went.
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Chapter 6: How did Nathaniel cope with solitary confinement?
So basically sedition. Wow. Which is like, yeah, it's like worse than murders. It's like the worst possible. And you can be charged with like a traitor to your country. That's nuts. How many charges did you get hit with originally?
Yeah, it was like 11 of, it was like 11 charges, 11 felonies. Just for walking in. Just for walking in. But what they do is they will ramp up your felonies or they'll ramp up your charges and then they will reduce that down to one or two. Eventually, that makes you take the plea deal.
It's psychological, right? It's all psychological. Yeah, they hit you with a bunch. They scare you. And they're like, oh, we'll reduce it, but you got to serve some time.
We'll drop nine of them. Just plead guilty to this. Otherwise, you're going to see a jury. And then there's what's called a jury fee, which is basically like you just do more time because you take up more resources. You're not admitting or there's no admission of guilt. So they give you more time because you're exercising your right to fight your case, basically.
That's crazy. Were you talking to any other people that were dealing with this?
Yeah. So the first year was in the D.C. jail and that's where all of us were held. Yeah. It was called C2B. It was like the Patriot Pod. And all of us kind of got together every day. We sung the national anthem, which you probably heard by now. Yeah. It was the number one on the charts with Trump. Yeah, that was a big deal.
And yeah, I mean, we were doing the most from the DC jail, doing interviews every single day. I raised 120 grand inside. I was on probably a dozen interviews from Newsmax to Tucker Carlson. A lot of big names were talking about me and talking to me directly. And then you got split up after that year?
Yeah, after that, we sort of all went our separate ways. I was then on home confinement as a way to just sort of convince me or coerce me into taking the plea deal. And then eventually I was returned again to the prison in Pahrump, Pahrump, California. Because you turned down the deal or...
Well, no, it was just part of the deal. It was like initially I was actually promised time served and that I would spend the last year of my time at home. The government sort of just changed their mind. They basically just reneged on their agreement and decided that they wanted me to do more time.
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Chapter 7: What lessons did Nathaniel learn from his journey?
Oh, so they changed that deal for everyone? No, they just changed it for me. Oh, for you only? They said that they were going to argue for time served once I was finally sentenced. And then the government pushed it and said they pushed for a 37-month sentence, which made me have to go back for another six months. Jesus. Yeah. That's crazy, dude.
And six months is a long time. It doesn't sound like long, but in prison, it's long. Oh, yeah. I mean, every day probably sucks. Yeah. It's just something you never quite get used to. Yeah.
No matter how long you're there, it's just, you know, maybe for some people who's doing like 10 plus years, but for someone like me, who's not used to that sort of lifestyle, you just, you never get used to it. Yeah. The boredom is really what drives me crazy. Yeah. I'm sure there's not much to do, right?
No. Just, you, you just wake up, you sit at the edge of your bed and then you kind of just wait for the day to end. And you have books at least? Yeah. I mean, there's books, there's like just chess, there's the gym. Okay. You know, so, but you can, even that you can only do so much. Yeah. Yeah. You got good at chess. I got very good at chess. We're going to have a play. I got a board out here.
Yeah, I heard you're good. I'm pretty good. Yeah, me too. Yeah? You know your strength? Yeah, do you know yours? It's like 1,400. You're good. Is that good? Yeah. That's considered, yeah, I mean. I'm a 1,400, so we're definitely going to play. My highest ever is 1,520.
yeah but uh right now i'm like 14 30 that's good no that's really good it just depends on my mindset sometimes i play at a 900 level sometimes oh yeah thousand i i only do five minute i don't like the long games okay you like classical i do 10 i could do 10 10 is my limit yeah same here i don't do the whole day nah uh well dude um so next month's a big month for you then are you gonna go to the inauguration yeah yeah i should i should be there let's go i think you'll be on stage
Oh, that'd be cool. Yeah. I think if not this time, definitely next time. Cause I love the network. So I'm sure I'll meet lots of people there and probably get an opportunity to speak. You get your businesses back on.
Um, yeah, yeah, I'm doing well right now. You know, I've just, um, and that's sort of, um, I think what differentiates a lot of people is like mindset and a lot of people in my situation would have probably given up by now and just sort of played the victim card, but it's just not in me to do that. So, you know, the day I get out, I'm like, you know, hitting the ground running.
I'm already back to rebuilding and making something of myself. So I'm going to use this experience to propel me, not just not to, not to damage or destroy me. Love that. Yeah, you could probably use it to inspire people too. Yeah, of course. There's no bailout for you guys, right? No, no. That's crazy. There's no bail in federal. Oh, I didn't know that.
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