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Murder in the Moonlight - Ep. 6: The Final Dominoes Fall

Wed, 30 Apr 2025

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Judgment day for the accused brings anger and sorrow for the Stocks. And one of the killers talks to Keith about the night of the murders. This episode originally published on March 5, 2025.

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Chapter 1: What led to Matt Livers' release after his confession?

2.901 - 31.561 Keith Morrison

It's a funny old expression, isn't it? Fish or cut bait. But everybody knows. Everybody knows what it means. Time to make a decision. Charge ahead or walk away. Sort of thing keeps a prosecutor up at night. There was Matt Livers, who had confessed to killing his aunt and uncle, Wayne and Charmin Stalk, and then unconfessed. Convictable? Maybe. Confessions speak loud in court.

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32.455 - 56.083 Keith Morrison

But then they had to release Nick Sampson, the cousin who obviously didn't take part. And Jessica Reed, who most certainly was in on the murders with her boyfriend Greg Fester, refused a sweet deal to testify against either Nick or Matt. And now the CSI chief who'd overseen the crime scene, David Kofod, had been accused of planting evidence.

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59.511 - 68.978 Keith Morrison

Oh, and yes, there was that awkward business about the sheriff's office failing for months to tell Matt's attorneys that he had recanted his confession.

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68.998 - 72.721 Matt Livers

I mean, I've been making answers, though, left and right.

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73.582 - 108.739 Keith Morrison

And now it truly was time to act, one way or the other. Fish or cut bait? I'm Keith Morrison, and this is Murder in the Moonlight, a podcast from Dateline. Episode 6, The Final Domino's Fall. By the end of 2006, more than seven months after the stock murders, the problems with their case multiplying, prosecutors finally agreed with the defense lawyers.

109.16 - 115.803 Keith Morrison

Matt Liver's confessions were, as they say, unreliable. His attorney, Julie Baer.

116.896 - 130.984 Julie Cordova

I went over to the jail, and Matt was in the cell, and we told him, you know, this is over. You know, you're going home. And, you know, I probably had the biggest hug from a man that I've ever had in my life.

132.385 - 138.548 Keith Morrison

Cass County Prosecutor Nathan Cox was once again left to call in the press and make the announcement.

139.289 - 148.477 Nathan Cox

It's not my intention to try and convict somebody that is not guilty. That's not why I'm in this business. The winning isn't the issue. The issue is whether justice is being done.

Chapter 2: Why did Matt Livers falsely confess and implicate others?

319.423 - 320.144 Sarah Livers

Ran with it more.

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320.384 - 321.905 Matt Livers

Ran with it more or less, yeah.

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322.786 - 332.895 Keith Morrison

But the damage was done. The whole thing left Matt and his cousin Nick at a loss for words to each other. What has this done to your relationship with Matt?

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333.535 - 335.217 Nick Sampson

Ruined it. Completely.

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335.237 - 343.304 Nick Sampson

It hurts knowing that he couldn't even be man enough after all this happened and apologize.

343.959 - 350.281 Nick Sampson

And what's he chosen to do? Forget all about it? Forget all about you? I think he just wants to forget it ever happened.

351.201 - 358.343 Nick Sampson

People give me s*** about it all the time. You know, I try and make a joke out of it, but it hurts every once in a while.

359.184 - 365.165 Keith Morrison

We wanted to know if their relationship has been mended. We reached out. They did not respond.

366.946 - 380.137 Nick Sampson

What will it take to convince them that you're an innocent man? I don't think anything will. You mean you're going to have to live under this cloud for the rest of your life? Probably.

Chapter 3: How did the Stock family react to the case developments?

587.616 - 588.597 Keith Morrison

Triggered by the sight of them.

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588.977 - 591.618 Steve Stock

Yeah. It kind of shocked me.

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593.576 - 598.639 Tammy Stock

I didn't. So I remember just thinking, I didn't know I could be this mad.

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600.381 - 622.695 Keith Morrison

In the courtroom, the judge read the victim impact statements, which had been written by Wayne and Charmin's family members, as if such an impact could be measured in words. Jessica Reed and Greg Fester each apologized to the Stalk family. And then the family held its breath. Steve Stalk.

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623.595 - 637.388 Tammy Stock

The whole thing itself was just kind of a blur. It was so nerve wracking, hard to sit through. But then when they got to the end and the judge went through the whole thing, when he was actually talking, there was a little part of me saying, he's going to let these guys off easy.

638.157 - 668.297 Keith Morrison

But no, that was not to be. For Fester, the judge handed down two consecutive life terms plus another 10 to 20 years for using a weapon. For Jessica Reed, the first of the courthouse to make a deal, remember? There was, in fact, no break at all. She got the same sentence for murder as Fester. Two life terms to be served back to back, if you could do such a thing. her attorney, Tom Olson.

668.917 - 669.598 Keith Morrison

Was that justice?

670.238 - 694.194 Tom Olson

I didn't think so. I thought that there was no question. I think everyone believed in the case that the individual most culpable was Fester. No question about it. That the only person who had cooperated was Jessica. That the only person who really did the right thing by exonerating Livers and Sampson was Jessica.

695.586 - 712.801 Tom Olson

that she did show true remorse, that she had done some constructive things while she was incarcerated, and that you would have thought that something would have been given to her.

Chapter 4: What were the legal outcomes for Jessica Reed and Greg Fester?

1052.273 - 1085.493 Keith Morrison

The truth about that night? After so many lies, so many versions. Here it is, said Jessica. She and Greg Fester, days without sleep or real food, had been driving aimlessly through Wisconsin and Iowa and Nebraska, breaking into homes along the way. In one, she grabbed a shotgun, a 410. So on Easter night, there they were, armed, drugged, and wired, bumping along a random country road.

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1086.054 - 1099.894 Keith Morrison

And Greg said, stop. turned out to be the Stock farmhouse, though they had no idea who lived there. But in they went through that unlocked window Fester found.

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1100.634 - 1107.956 Jessica Reed

Greg was like, you know, follow me real quick. So I followed him and I was wearing this coat that was making a lot of noise.

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1108.376 - 1110.176 Nick Sampson

One of those puffy coats, right?

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1110.196 - 1115.038 Jessica Reed

Like a windbreaker type deal. Right. It was making me nervous. So I like took it off and set it down on the floor.

1115.058 - 1115.938 Sarah Livers

Yeah.

1116.078 - 1123.448 Jessica Reed

In the kitchen. And he went straight upstairs, and so I followed him up the stairs.

1123.488 - 1124.229 Nick Sampson

Why did he go upstairs?

1124.789 - 1125.189 Jessica Reed

I don't know.

Chapter 5: How did the Stock family respond to the sentencing of the killers?

1216.166 - 1224.453 Jessica Reed

We didn't say anything. I mean, I started crying at one point, and Greg just looked at me, and he was like, don't do that. You know?

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1226.186 - 1251.538 Keith Morrison

But what about all those letters? The words found later in that house with Jessica's belongings, with that cigarette box? Words she wrote, boldly admitting to her crimes. I killed someone. He was older. I loved it. I wish I could do it all the time. If Greg doesn't watch it, I'm going to just leave one day and do it myself. I don't understand it.

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1251.998 - 1257.841 Jessica Reed

I hate hearing them because it's just kind of like... how everything was portrayed. I hate hearing it.

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1259.342 - 1261.082 Keith Morrison

Because it was how everything was portrayed?

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1261.222 - 1262.763 Jessica Reed

Because I'm not like that.

1263.103 - 1264.304 Keith Morrison

Were you like that at the time?

1264.944 - 1283.651 Jessica Reed

No. That was my way of showing Greg that I was OK with it too. Because when he told me not to cry, it was like, what? I'm not supposed to feel bad about this? I mean, how can you have no remorse for this at all?

1284.363 - 1288.986 Nick Sampson

To them, it meant that you were a cold-hearted killer and that you enjoyed the process.

1289.186 - 1293.869 Keith Morrison

And people saw you, probably still see you as some kind of monster.

Chapter 6: What unresolved questions remain about the murders?

1379.857 - 1380.358 Nick Sampson

Because?

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1380.778 - 1383.801 Jessica Reed

They weren't there. They had nothing to do with this.

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1384.622 - 1404.789 Keith Morrison

But for the Stock family, it wasn't that simple. Can you believe, Jessica? They asked. They were driven, they told us, by a common sense instilled in an early age by their murdered parents. And so they still were asking, who, why, who did this?

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1405.949 - 1436.31 Andy Stock

I'd like to know the honest truth about everything. You know, I hope someday we can all sit down and look at each other and say, Were these two involved? Yes or no? Definitely. Was the blood planted? Yes or no? Definitely. I don't know if we'll ever know those answers. I don't know if there's any way to prove those answers, but I hope someday we'll know.

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1437.471 - 1453.982 Keith Morrison

We wanted to know how the Stock family feels about Matt and Nick today, but they did not respond. As for Jessica Reed, since that day we spoke to her in prison, she's had a bit of an epiphany. She explained in a TED Talk taped behind prison walls.

Chapter 7: What insights did Jessica Reed share from prison?

1455.663 - 1479.423 Jessica Reed (Convicted Accomplice) - TED Talk version

What if my real purpose is to never get out of prison, but change the way imprisoned women come in broken and leave mended? All I ever wanted to do was just get out of here, leave all this behind and never look back. That one thought changed my whole paradigm. I stopped living solely for my own outcome, and I started living for those around me.

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1480.143 - 1505.279 Keith Morrison

What if, indeed? At this point, Jessica has served 18 years behind bars. She is not eligible for parole. Her accomplice, Greg Fester, did not respond to our interview requests. He, too, has served 18 years. No parole for him, either. Ever. A postscript? Andy Stock now runs Stock Hay and Grain.

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1505.939 - 1523.151 Keith Morrison

He knocked down the home where the murders occurred and built a new house, where he made some better memories. Matt Livers and Nick Sampson have gone through many struggles to get back their good names. They settled lawsuits against state and local authorities, as well as CSI chief David Kofod, for something north of $7.5 million.

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1525.484 - 1537.307 Keith Morrison

As for Kofod, he was acquitted of federal evidence tampering charges. But then the state of Nebraska took up the case, and at his second trial, Kofod was found guilty of evidence tampering.

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1537.327 - 1540.168 David Kofod

Do you understand what you were convicted of? Yes, Your Honor.

1540.868 - 1550.05 Keith Morrison

At his sentencing, the career law enforcement man again denied planting evidence and told the judge the truth would come out eventually.

1550.546 - 1555.69 David Kofod

I don't believe this is the last of this case for me. I want to continue on, and that's nothing personal with you.

1556.19 - 1567.259 Keith Morrison

But the judge had a somewhat different perspective. He told the court he'd been moved by letters from Livers and Sampson asking him to throw the book at Kofod, and that is just what he did.

1567.699 - 1575.485 David Kofod

The defendant has not acknowledged any wrongdoing. He's not appeared to be particularly remorseful.

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