W. Bryan Hubbard was the 1st Chairman of the Kentucky Opioid Commission and currently leads the REID Foundation’s American Ibogaine Initiative. Follow Bryan on Twitter at: https://x.com/w_bryan_hubbard Learn more about the Texas Ibogaine Initiative at: https://www.reid.foundation/texas-ibogaine-initiative Review Reveille Advisors' comprehensive open-source investigation into the sabotage of Bryan's Kentucky Ibogaine Initiative at: https://www.reveilleadvisors.com/ibogaine/ Today's Sponsors: David Protein: Order a sample pack at https://Davidprotein.com Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/
Chapter 1: What is the core concept of the episode?
Morning, everybody. Welcome back. Hell of an episode for you today. I was thinking before I started this intro, I wanted to find a term, like an anchor term that could describe the thesis or core concept of the episode. And honestly, it's corruption.
So my guest today is Brian Hubbard, and he was recently on Joe's podcast, The Joe Rogan Experience, if you haven't heard of it, with I believe his former senator, Rick Perry. And they were talking specifically about Ibogaine. And on that episode, they talked a lot about the mechanisms of IB gain.
And a lot of the times the conversation about IB gain, at least in the modern era, the last five years that I've been exposed to it is through assistance with veterans, whether it's a chemical addiction, post-traumatic stress, TBI, a lot of Venn diagram overlap in those things. That's the conversation that is often have, at least in the circles that I'm involved with.
And Brian and Rick, like I said, we're on the show discussing the mechanisms of how it worked. Brian, on our conversation. We talked more about, a lot more about, and he broke down incredibly well, the corruption and resistance from those that are in power. And that might be from a political perspective or, I mean, let's be more honest than that. It's a monetary perspective.
Those that have something to lose by a treatment process that isn't controlled by big pharma. So Brian, I'm going to read his bio here a little bit because I think it's important for you to understand who he is. He served for years in Kentucky's Office of Attorney General, overseeing medical fraud and leading the Kentucky Opioid Abatement Advisory Commission.
Brian's first intro to this, and this is a term that I've heard people use who are from the Kentucky area when they talk about the opioid crisis. They use things like ravaged, destroyed. I've never been there, not my place to say those things. I'm just repeating what I have heard. But it was through the lens of addiction that Brian first heard about Ibogaine.
He's witnessed firsthand the devastating impact of the opioid crisis, which has left Kentucky the second hardest hit state in the nation. His role also gave him an intimate view of what many believe to be corruption and bribery at the highest levels of government and industry. Best intro there is right there. Ready to get into the episode? As am I. Bear with me and come along.
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Chapter 2: Who is Bryan Hubbard and what are his credentials?
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Brian, welcome to Montana.
It's a pleasure to be here with you today, Andy.
Basically the same as Kentucky?
Y'all got some high country here that we could use some elevation at home to compete, but otherwise there is comparable beauty between Montana and Kentucky. What is the high point in Kentucky? Black Mountain is the highest peak in the state, and that is in Harlan County, which borders on the state of Virginia. And Black Mountain is just a little over 4,000 feet.
Okay, that's respectable.
very respectable and very beautiful. There's a stretch of road at home called the Kingdom Come Parkway. It goes from Whitesburg, Kentucky into Harlan. And when you drive it, you literally feel as though you are at the top of the world. And the name Kingdom Come certainly is the inspiration produced by what you see out over that horizon.
It makes sense. I have heard that there are elk in Kentucky. Is this true?
There was the beginning several years ago of the reintroduction of the western elk into Kentucky because the elk had been indigenous there. They had been hunted to extinction. And there has been a gradual reintroduction of the species into the eastern mountains, which was part of its historic habitat. And I guess it was probably about
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Chapter 3: What role does corruption play in the opioid crisis?
And having a population that is educated in first principles about why this country was founded, the principles on which it was founded, and the degree to which they have to be guarded at all times against fraud, All branches of government, whether they be executive, legislative, or judicial, is imperative.
Do you think it's a fixable system?
It is absolutely a fixable system. But you have to have a return to first principles, and those first principles are the equal application of law to every individual for the purposes of achieving justice in conformity with objective truth. Many judges and many lawyers, for that matter, have absolutely no commitment to the pursuit or the establishment of objective truth.
They are there to pursue an agenda, whether that is the agenda to the specific client that is before that court or whether it is the philosophical agenda of the judge. who manipulates the language of the law to come to the predetermined conclusion that has the binding force of law.
Fictitious legal realities have binding consequences because everyone is legally bound to acknowledge them and mind them regardless of whether they're rooted in genuine reality or common sense. One of my favorite quotes that I heard from an author, and I wish I could remember this one's name, was that common sense is often a stranger in the house of the law.
I think if you asked regular everyday Americans on the street if they agreed with that or not, you'd probably get at least a 70-30 yes-to-no ratio. And certainly in my years of practice, that was an experience that I had again and again and again.
Do you think... That the system you're describing is capable of fixing itself, or would you need an outside entity that is detached to come in and look and then start carving away the cancer like a doctor would?
I don't think that a system which rests upon the perpetuation and expansion of If its own power interests will ever self-correct, there has to be accountability that is brought from on high. And for purposes of American society, that accountability must be administered by the sovereign. and the sovereign in this society are the American people.
There must be a populace that is properly educated and enlightened as to how all aspects of its government functions. And with that awareness, be ready to hold office holders and those who office holders put into positions of power accountable for creating legally binding fictions which harm society and the countervailing face of what justice requires within the context of reality.
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Chapter 4: How has the opioid crisis affected Kentucky specifically?
of civilizational knowledge and the history which preceded the creation of the United States as a necessary prerequisite to understanding why this nation is unique, singularly unique in human history in terms of the purpose it is to serve as the last best hope of humankind on earth. And he warned against falling off
the mission of making sure that young people are continuously educated about the civilizational struggle that has culminated in the creation of the United States for all of its faults and deficiencies at the outset that we continue to work through and evolve from into today.
I can't help but think that the greatest danger that we currently face right now is associated with what has been a failure to pass along those civilizational values to young folks who I believe are starved to death to number one.
be recognized for their individual significance, to be affirmed that this nation is one in which they can hope to thrive and to have a life that is defined by their own happiness and dignity so long as it brings no harm to others. And I believe it's also one in which young folks are desperate to have their spiritual significance affirmed.
And I think if we can begin to do those three things, we will certainly see it may take a little while to show, but there will be generational change that lifts everyone over time if those objectives can be pursued.
I agree with you that I think that there is a a failure to educate people, specifically youth, about what our country is and was and could be. And I'm going to add an asterisk to that. There are people who want to change the history of who we were, what this country was founded on, the principles. They want to modify that.
And I don't know which one of those is more dangerous, but neither of them lead down a good path. I don't disagree. Yeah. Kind of a lot as you practice.
I filled a law that was chosen by necessity rather than by choice. My first job coming out of law school was just getting a job. I went to a school in Kentucky, and going through, it was immediately clear that there was a pretty well-affirmed cash system in place. If you were in the top 10% when it came to law school examination grades, the career services office couldn't work hard enough for you.
But if you were outside of that 10%, you were kind of going to be going to row your own boat. And I was having to row my own boat. When I was in high school, I was an honors student. I graduated with distinction from my university. And at the time, I was embarrassed because the worst grades I ever got in my life were in law school.
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Chapter 5: What is the significance of Ibogaine in addiction treatment?
I am not anti-medically assisted treatment. I am not anti-faith-based, abstinence-based treatment programs. I am pro anything that will work. The journey toward drug dependency is unique, and the recovery from it is also unique. And what works for one is not necessarily going to work for another.
There have to be at all times a diversity of high-quality options for an individual to pursue recovery in order to maximize the possibility that they will actually be successful. We've recently had a lot of controversy around this concept of DEI. And I think there is one concept of DEI which should receive almost universal acclaim.
When it comes to American governance and how we do business, we should always be on the lookout for opportunities to diversify, expand, and improve the content of our systems. Couldn't agree more. So that's a DEI concept that everybody can say hallelujah to. Yep.
I said, I don't know what therapeutic breakthrough that might be, but Kentucky should look to pursue its own Manhattan Project opportunity to come up with something that can help the rest of the country beat this thing over the long term. I don't know what that is, but I'm going to start looking for it. So they offered the job to me. My first responsibility was to get the commission up
and doing business. The situation at home was and is dire, and people expect action. So I was named by Attorney General Cameron to lead the commission in January of 2022. We had our first business meeting in July of 22. The very first thing that we did was go out on the road into the state.
We went from one end to another, and between September of 22 and May of 23, we held 20 town halls across the state. Some were held on Tuesday evenings at 6 p.m. at community gathering places. Others in the spring were held in community centers, and the middle of the day on Tuesdays or Wednesdays around 1 or 2 p.m.
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