Chief Change Officer
#395 Colin Savage: Why Skill Stacking Is the New Lifelong Learning — Part One
Wed, 28 May 2025
If reinvention were a passport, Colin Savage’s pages would be full. From global projects across seven countries to helping old-school industries like Japanese insurers modernize with tact, Colin’s career isn’t just built on change—it thrives on it.In Part One, we go deep on the difference between chasing novelty and building purpose. Colin dismantles the dated idea of “lifelong learning” and replaces it with something sharper: skill stacking. You’ll also hear how he developed change muscles by moving countries, industries, and ideas—without ever losing sight of what matters.Key Highlights of Our Interview:The Purpose Behind the Pivot“Change is exciting—but if there’s no deeper reason behind it, it’s just noise.” Why purpose should lead, not lag, behind transformation.Skill Stacking vs. Lifelong Learning“Lifelong learning sounds noble—but it’s often aimless. Skill stacking is intentional.” Colin’s case for mastering combinations over collecting badges.Japan: Where Change Means Patience“In the Japanese life insurance industry, I learned that fast isn’t always smart.” Why transformation in traditional sectors demands humility and consensus.The Trap of Unfinished Adventures“You can jump into change for the thrill—but it’s the follow-through that matters.” Why Colin says completion is underrated in careers.Addicted to Change? Own It.“I love novelty—but I’ve learned to pair it with discipline.” Colin’s method for staying curious without burning out._________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Colin Savage --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.18 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1.5% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>170,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
Chapter 1: What is Colin Savage's journey as a change guru?
Hi, everyone. Welcome to our show, Chief Change Officer. I'm Vince Chen, your ambitious human host. Our show is a modernist humility for change progressives in organizational and human transformation from around the world. This is a three-part series with Colin Selvidge.
In part one, the first episode, we'll dive into Colin's fascinating journey as a self-proclaimed change addict turned change guru. Colin's career spans continents, cultures, and industries, seven countries lived in, seven more secunded to, and projects in over 70 nations.
From organizational transformation to personal reinvention, he has mastered the art of embracing change and applying those lessons to life. In this conversation, Colin unpacks his unique perspective on change. How throwing himself into the unknown led to unparalleled growth and insight.
From leaving Canada with nothing but a suitcase and ambition to navigating industries from telecommunications to financial services, Colin shares how the constant evolution around him became his greatest teacher. In the next episodes, we'll explore the learning required for transformation, why Colin believes lifelong learning is outdated and skills decking is the future.
And finally, in part three, we'll tackle AI, human intelligence, and why every one of us needs a personal AI strategy. Buckle up, this one is a ride. Colin, finally, I got you to my show. Welcome to Chief Change Officer. Good morning to you.
Thank you so much for having me, Vincent. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, everyone.
Colin is from Canada, the Big North, a very cold place. I used to live in Toronto myself. Cullen is in another province, or in America, we call it a state. So Cullen, let's start with your story. Who are you, what you're doing now, but also what did you do in the past? Your past, your journey, and your history.
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Chapter 2: How does skill stacking differ from lifelong learning?
Fantastic. Thank you, Vince. Happy to. So I'm Colin, as you introduced, Colin Davidge. I am hailing today from the Queen City, which was Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada. And so I was born and raised here. I lived here until I was probably just out of the university. And then I left and lived overseas 20 years. That really isn't that uncommon.
During the early 90s in Saskatchewan, a lot of people looked for opportunities elsewhere. And even if I look at sort of my high school graduating class, 60, 70% of them stayed in their city and went to our local university. Another chunk maybe went to a university nearby or a neighboring province. And a very small bit even left elsewhere in Canada, like she mentioned, Ontario.
But very few people went further than that. I finished university armed with a great liberal arts degree and a degree in English literature, which obviously at the time when everybody was banging down my door to give me a job. But I needed to go, I needed to go somewhere else. So I left with that degree and with some other experience and decided to test Asia.
There's a long story and it's all through my LinkedIn profile. People can read it, but I managed to over the 20 years build up what I call seven, seven, 70. So I lived in seven countries. I was seconded to seven others and I worked in project 70 nations around the world. put it up and make it simple for others to follow. There's three threads that go through my background.
One of them was academics and education. I was heavily involved in my own academic. I studied for three master's degrees in various areas. I worked as a lecturer in universities and countries across Southeast Asia and Japan where I spent almost nine years. Then there was
It's more of a business thread, which involved business development, marketing, market research in a number of industries, which all, looking back, link a little bit to each other, but at times were also quite different. Particularly because they also not include just all over the private sector, but also working with government and governments across different countries they lived in.
And then finally, the other thread would probably be something where I would think, and it's more aligned with this podcast almost directly. is strategy and change. While I'm working in industries or moving from one to the other, I noticed that things were evolving.
An example would be, I spent time leading a team of analysts out of London in the UK that focused on telecommunications across the world. So I had a team of 40 people. They were all dedicated and focused on individual countries or market. And they were all coming back to me with similar, but also at times very different analysis of how those markets were changing.
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Chapter 3: What lessons did Colin learn from his experiences in Japan?
Data was becoming part of what you could put on your mobile phone, or you could start searching the internet. And this led me into financial services where, while I was with quite a traditional Japanese major licensure, there was FinTech visible. And FinTech led to things like RegTech, where we're doing regulation.
Through all of these different evolutions and changes, there were little things that led me from one to the other. But also, I'm really honest to say that a little bit of looking in the rear view of the mirror and seeing you afterward, at the time, it was just a lot of change. And I know today, Vince, we're going to talk about something that I mentioned in Change Addict to Change Guru.
I really was a change addict in a sense. When I left Canada in 1984, I just threw caution to the wind and went. Hipped to Thailand. I packed the suitcase. I went there. I had no, I knew nothing about the language, culture, the working environment or anything. I not only changed the city I lived in, but the country, the culture, the language, the industry and everything at once.
And that really put me on the path. to do it repeatedly until before I moved back to Canada, I joked to myself that look, if I change everything at once and I'm addicted to doing that, the only thing I can do next is maybe move to the moon. There's no more I can add into the mix to make it harder on myself.
So I think full circle, all of the different industries and markets and cultures and countries, roles and people that I've dealt with, you can put a lot of energy into promoting it and encouraging it, but to a point before it gets a little bit dangerous. So hopefully that's a good interview, Vince. If you've got any other questions for me on that, I'd be happy to delve into it.
I could take up for a whole hour on myself if you want.
In your self-introduction, Two words caught my attention, change addict and change guru. How do you define these two terms?
Regina is a lovely city. And like I said, I grew up here and I grew up at a time when it was pretty traditional. Most of us looked the same. There wasn't a whole lot of ways to escape it, the right word to use. And so there wasn't a lot of novelty, at least from my perspective.
If you wanted to, you could, you grew up here, you went to university, you got a degree in administration and we're a government now. So you go work for the government. You'd find your partner, start a family and so on. So path was pretty, pretty much laid out. And that really wasn't me.
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Chapter 4: Why is completion important in the process of change?
Or wouldn't it be cool if I went to China and I studied? And when I hear people say that, I'm always encouraging them to consider it. But the question afterwards is what thing, for what purpose? If you go and you could study where you live now because of all the opportunities we have and online and the virtual world has made it easy. For example, us today, you're in Hong Kong and I'm in Regina.
We're very easily, we can do whatever we want. Well, why do you need, why do you need to go there and do that? And if the answer that comes back, a lot of, I don't know, I saw a movie and China looks really neat or, oh, I saw that one person on social media that they do this and they're being super successful. So why would not we meet? And I don't think it's a bad answer.
But the reality is that you're gonna have a little bit more planning behind it. I, and I lived the, the attic lifestyle. Like I said, I, I moved, picked up and moved to Thailand. And then one day in Thailand, without really teaching English to adults and at the university, I wanted to go somewhere where there's no Burger King, there's no 7-Eleven, there's no this, there's no that.
And I basically walked into a travel agency. Where can I go that I could afford? And she said, go to Myanmar. So I did, I went to Myanmar and did nothing about it was took a suitcase. And then I lived there for a year and a half learning my way. I was there, but looking back, that was just novel. Oh, it's foreign. It's new. It's different. It's unknown. I'll like leap into it and don't do it.
And a single person now, anyone can do that, but it didn't really have a purpose in mind. And the thing is novelty is great, but novelty wears off. You're there for a year and a half, and then you wake up one morning and it happens again. Oh, I'm bored. I've done this. I've learned these things that are really cool and interesting.
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Chapter 5: How can one balance curiosity and discipline in a fast-changing world?
And okay, let's go move here or let's go try this or let's do whatever. The other thing that I might add is that change addict, like whenever you're with some kind of adversity, it takes as much, if not more focus to get through to the end. The lucky thing for me was, well, I've started this degree. I got to finish it. Or I started in this job. I got to be here at least this amount of time.
I've started learning this language. I've focused at least enough so I can do some kind of benchmark. And it's a lot, it's a lot harder when you have to do that, when it is just chasing novelty. So I think, yeah, like the change addict part, there's a lot of people that will do that. And actually I'm a little bit different.
If you start something and it's not for you, you should really just chuck it in and go find a thing that you want. There's opportunity cost as we all know, right? But if you don't wrap things up or if you don't complete them to a certain extent, later on, I don't really know how you could pull out the value. And as we get into other topics, but maybe you can apply it to more.
But if you haven't finished it, you're never going to get there. So the way that I came about this concept of change addict, and addict is the harsh word, but you really can be addicted to change and to novel.
So being a change addict, a guru, would you say you're one of those who puts in a good amount of calculation behind each change? Or is it more like, oh, it's just that feeling? What type are you? Have you ever thought about that?
No, that's a great question, Vince. And I think at the beginning, I thought it would be in hindsight, which is lovely to have. But I think at the time it was like I mentioned adversity, but and I also mentioned boredom. For me, like when I didn't have responsibility, right? It's just me. I'm the one that's responsible for myself. I gotta feed, clothe, house me.
There were many times where I was just like, you know what? I'm gonna change it. I'm gonna quit my job and I don't have anything else or I don't really have a plan to do anything else. And I'll just see what happens. And that's dangerous. There are people that can do it, but I don't like it. So I'm not going to push through the adversity. It's not going to help you later on in life. Absolutely.
If you're not happy with where you are and you're not, you don't think you're where you can be, or you're not being supported the way that you would like, then you certainly should look for other avenues and talk to a lot of people and Try different things, but you can try different things while you're doing something else that allows you to do that exploration.
If you're just doing it because somebody has slighted you. When I was in Myanmar, I just woke up one day and said, I have $300. I'm going to live a very good life, but I'm never going to have anything. If I ever decided to leave here, so why don't I just go? And I was out in a week, but it's not... I could have done it in a much more thoughtful way.
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Chapter 6: What defines a change addict versus a change guru?
They move along. So when I was working for one of the big organization, out and that, yeah, there wasn't a lot of, there wasn't a lot of airtime given to, hey, why don't we try this? Or, hey, why don't we, why don't we consider something completely different? There was incremental change, change or introduction of new things.
And then luck would have it, I ended up traveling to a developing market, got to look at senior people from that city and looked around and just started noticing Don and then thinking, hey, we could connect these Don. to make something unique. And with a job like insurance company, we're in Brazil, we're seeing something that's a bit unique.
In Japan, one of the largest minorities are young people and they are people who travel to Japan as youth. They have access to visas and other things, and they start their working life in Japan. So they're actually indoctrinated. They learn working culture from being in Japanese companies, a lot of them, and otherwise. They learn things like, hey, life insurance is important. You need to have it.
The discussion went, how are we going to go build this business idea? And... What came about was I learned that change, individual, team, and otherwise, comes from doing a lot of promotion. So Japan is a lot about individual conversations to get support or get direction. Big organizations are great at providing that direction, but often indirect. You have to be acute to the team.
So, hey, why don't we consider this? Why don't we do that? But also, it's measured and it's planned change. You can't just come up with an idea and throw it at people and get them to say yes or no. You've got to research your idea. This is the market size. These are the people. This is what they would buy.
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Chapter 7: What strategies can help in personal and professional reinvention?
This is how it would benefit them if they stayed where they are or then when they moved back. This is how we could link Dovetail or a pipeline into getting new people in a new market we might make. So it took a lot of time, but I was very surprised and very proud that we actually managed to get this kind of a lead.
Yeah.
I got support from lovely people within the organization. They provided their time to me. We moved ahead. It took two years, but the change did happen. And it was actually a real shining example of just because you think a culture and a group of people are traditional in their practices, doesn't mean they're averse to change.
You just need to be, again, from that change addict thing we were talking about, Not willy nilly, not hey, let's just do it for the sake of doing it. Be measured, be strategic, be researched in what you want to change and then find the kind and supportive voices. And if you find enough of them, you'll get groundswell and you'll be able to do it.
If you don't, maybe your idea really isn't that great. Maybe you need to go back to the drawing. So learn to take the interest and the novelty and the energy that comes from a potential change and have it fuel you to do the really important steps, the fundamental steps to maybe make that change happen. And the flip side would be actually back here in Canada.
I worked for a quite traditional marketing company. Probably if I tell you who it is, people will know right away. They brought me in as a change person. That's how I was recruited. Please come here. We know our industry is on the decline. We're not really entirely sure where to go with it. We've seen what you did in other places. We're eager to change. We want to transform.
They used all the right words. They were very receptive to the idea before I moved in house. I got in there and I asked, do you want me to be disruptive? Would you like me to push new initiatives? Absolutely. This is what we want. And within a month of me doing that, we don't really like it. Or that was a little too much. The reality is they were a different kind of ad.
They were hooked on a legacy of very high revenue and high profit margin. And they weren't willing, they really weren't willing and they hadn't done the time to figure out, do we want to change? Are we willing to forego some of that to potentially make it somewhere else or maybe not?
And even though they had all of the support, allegedly support from people above and their ownership and others, they were incredibly reluctant to do it. So I was sitting in a role where change was in my title, but I couldn't do anything. And I had tried, I had built up goodwill. I'd got some champion. I was doing everything that change management tells you to do.
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