Chief Change Officer
#389 Erin Diehl: From Talk Show Dreams to a Business Built on Bombing — Part One
Sun, 25 May 2025
Before Erin Diehl was training Fortune 500 teams to think on their feet, she was juggling job fairs by day and Second City by night.In Part One, we go back to the origin story—how a recruiting job collided with a comedy stage and sparked a business idea no one saw coming. From cold pitching United Airlines with zero credentials to redefining ROI as “Return on Objective,” Erin shares how improv became her leadership laboratory. Along the way, we talk about joy, failure, and what really happens when you turn your side hustle into your full-time mission.Key Highlights of Our Interview:From Stage Lights to Slide Decks“I was working in recruiting by day and performing improv by night. Eventually, I realized improv wasn’t just funny—it was functional.”How Erin’s stagecraft became a corporate tool.United We Improv“My first client was United Airlines—and I didn’t even have a logo yet.”How one bold pitch turned into a paid pilot and a new career.In the Business of Joy“I just knew I wanted to help people and bring joy.”Why Erin sees her work as more than training—it’s emotional transformation.Forget ROI, Focus on ROO“We don’t measure ROI—we measure ROO: Return on Objective.”How Improve It tailors every session to real business outcomes.From Talk Show Dreams to Leadership Teams“I wanted to be Oprah. I ended up helping people lead better lives through improv.”The full-circle moment that turned childhood dreams into professional purpose.________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Erin Diehl --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.18 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1.5% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>170,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
Chapter 1: What inspired Erin Diehl to become a talk show host?
Yes, I am in Charleston, South Carolina. It's morning for me. It's evening for you. So I'm having some coffee and just enjoying the start of the day. When I was born, my mom said I came out of the womb dancing and saying, hello world, I'm here. So that was my first foray on earth. And then as I grew up, I fell in love with the stage. I was a dancer. I was an actress. I sang, but not well.
And I decided early on I wanted to be a talk show host. That was my goal, then. And so I went to Clemson University and graduated with a degree in communications. And this was the early 2000s. So there wasn't a ton of internet coaching, or there wasn't a ton of opportunity for me to learn how to be a talk show host. So I said, where should I go?
Naturally, the home of Oprah Winfrey, my dream talk show host. So I moved to Chicago, started taking improv classes, and really fell in love with it as an art form. And over the years, I did book some hosting things, but I kept coming back to improv. And finally, in my late 20s, I decided to stop traveling. I was doing a ton of traveling at the time.
Chapter 2: How did improv change Erin's career path?
take a nine to five job at a recruiting firm, which I had never done recruiting. And the job that I took was actually business development. So it was sales. And so I worked nine to five and then six to 10 every night. I took classes at the second city or improv Olympic or the annoyance, which are huge theaters in the U S and in Chicago. And I just
saw everything I was doing on stage really spill over into my work life. I was becoming a better listener. I was more empathetic. I was thinking more quickly on my feet. And I knew that there was a connection between improv and the professional world. So at the time, one of my clients at this recruiting farm was United Airlines.
I asked my boss if I could pilot, pun intended, a workshop to United using improv. And of course they said yes. And the first couple of ones I did were for free. And then United said, we're going to pay you. And so my very first client was United Airlines. As time progressed, I knew that this was my calling.
I knew I wanted it to be bigger than just me, so I left my full-time job and started Improve It in 2014. Improve It is an improv-infused talent development company for the new generation of work. We use improv to teach people how to lead teams, how to be the highest versions of themselves, but it's ultimately all through play, and we've been in business 10 years, and here we are.
He mentioned as a teenager, you were determined to become a talk show host. I find that intriguing. Honestly, most people in their teens or even in college don't really know what they want to do, let alone something as specific as hosting a talk show. I mean, when I tell people I set my sights on getting into business school and earning an MBA at age 15, they often say, seriously? At 15?
It seems so young to have such a focused goal. But back to you, why talk show host? I imagine some might dream of being a news anchor or getting into show business. But for you, what was it about talk show hosting that drew you in? Especially back then, before podcasts even existed, what was the story behind that ambition?
Yeah. Oh, you're so right. We didn't have podcasts. There wasn't Instagram. There wasn't even Facebook at the time. Truly, when I went to college, Facebook did not exist until I graduated. So here's what I can tell you. I just remember When I was 13 years old, I was homesick from school.
I don't know if you remember back in the early 90s or late 90s, there was a catalog called Delia's and it had all these like girly pajamas. I had on like the rattiest pair of Delia's pajamas. I was sitting in my family's living room on this like old 90s floral couch and I was sick. I was homesick and the Oprah Winfrey show came on.
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Chapter 3: What was Erin's experience with her first client, United Airlines?
and i just remember watching it and watching how she made the people in the audience feel and watching oprah just be such a compassionate empathetic kind human to her guests and also really care about humanity and so i sat up sick as i was and i said to my mom i'm gonna do that mom i'm gonna be a talk show host like oprah And I know that I have something to talk about.
But what happened was in my early 20s and even going through my 20s, I didn't have really enough life experience to have a platform to talk about anything I feel like I do. I didn't have the life experience that I do now. Let me just say that. Not that I don't want to discount myself, but I feel like I needed more life experience to be able to have a voice and know my voice and own my voice.
And I just equate talk show hosting to almost like being a florist. When you get flowers, you're almost always happy. And I thought about becoming a talk show host so I could bring joy to other people's lives, whether it was through television, whether it was through an audio platform like podcasting.
It was always my goal to use my voice for good and to make people feel really good in my presence. And so that was the goal. I had no clue it was going to be improv as the change catalyst. I had no idea it was going to be improv as the teaching tool, but I just knew I wanted to help people and bring joy.
So you're essentially in the business of joy. That's it. The short form. not keynote speaker, not founder or CEO. If someone asks you for your elevator pitch, this should be the first sentence out of your mouth. Hey, I'm in the business of joy. Thank you, Vince. Yes. Let's say we are at a party. I introduce myself to you. Hey, I'm Vince. You reply, I'm Erin. Nice to meet you.
Then I ask, what business are you in? And you hit me with, oh, I'm in the business of joy. Instant curiosity triggered. Naturally, I would say, oh, tell me more about that. is such a great icebreaker.
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Chapter 4: What does Erin mean by being in the 'business of joy'?
I love it. Okay, noted. It was heard here first. I will love you every time.
So no problem quoting that. I'm in the business of Joyd, and hey, I got it on record now. I promise I won't charge you for copyright yet. But seriously, something else fascinating from history is your first client. You mentioned you tried things out with United Airlines, UA, and eventually they pay you and everything took off from there. So what was that initial experiment with United like?
What exactly did you do? I mean, Today, your business, Business Improv, is this successful franchise. But let's rewind to the beginning. What was iPhone 1.0 version of your business? What did it look like back then?
Yeah, such a good question. To be honest with you, I don't remember. I think it was, I think it was something about team building and building trust, but it was my very, we barely had a, I didn't even have a logo. I just put slides together on a random slide deck and I said, okay, what do you want me to teach on?
And I put together just a very small one hour presentation using improv as the teaching tool.
and i actually found video of myself doing this on my computer i need to post that video because it's clearly from like 2013 i had no clue what i was doing but all i can see in that picture coming back to your word joy is joy i just felt so joyful doing it and teaching and i knew every time i got in front of a group of people that I was there to serve them.
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Chapter 5: How does Erin measure success with ROO instead of ROI?
And I have to tell you, when I am in front of a room of people, something comes over me. It's not necessarily me. I feel like I am talking through just this greater good, and I'm here to help the greater collective find joy in their day to day. And so
for me i watched that video back and it's not necessarily what i said it's how i felt in that moment and that energy that was in that room and just the feeling of watching somebody else trust themselves enough to gently guide themselves out of their comfort zone and being the teacher to help them do that was incredible and so it was a high and i kept chasing that high and wanting to do more
Chapter 6: What was the early version of Erin's business like?
So here's just blanket how we work. When a client comes to us, we will get really specific on what are you hoping to achieve? What are your objectives? And then what challenges are you having? Over time, we've developed 10 different workshops that can host up to 100 people.
And each workshop has a pre-work component with a video that shows them how not to do the skill that we're going to train them on. So there's comedy there. It's about a two to three minute video. And then it guides the participant. These are for the participants to survey And in that survey, we ask them their challenges and objectives.
And so we take what the client says and what the participants say, we marry it together, and we bring it to this in-person or virtual training. And so let's just use effective communication as an example. This is one of our most popular workshops. So every workshop has an overarching thesis statement to it.
And then we break down that thesis statement into chunks, most of the time three to four chunks.
and in those chunks we do one to two improv based activities so the thesis statement for effective communication is what you say and what you don't say affects how others listen and respond so that first piece we're doing two activities about what you say your tone your verbal tone your written tone we're doing two activities they're high energy you're standing on your feet you're interacting with those around you
And after each activity, there's a debrief. And in that debrief is what we call the method to our madness. That's where the magic happens, where we take what we just did, we put it into context into your day to day and help you think differently about how you're communicating, how you're using tone.
And then we do a separate activity at the end of every two, which is we ask them to take what we've just talked about as the larger group and put it into context in their role, because we really want them to get specific and bringing it back to their organization.
So then we go to the next piece, which is what you don't say, which is all about non-verbal two activities with a debrief and a partner activity at the end. We do affects how others listen, so two activities about active listening, and then a debrief, and then the partner activity, and then finally, how all of this affects people, the way people respond.
We do two activities there, and then we wrap up everything with a key takeaway, which I will tell you, Vince, one thing that sets us apart is that we have successfully coerced over 40,000 people to chicken dance. So in our workshops, whenever you hear the word improv, we chicken dance. And at the end, when we do our key takeaways, we crown an improv chicken champion.
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