Chief Change Officer
#326 Nina Sossamon-Pogue: Build a Life You’re Proud Of—Not Just a Career You Survive
Sun, 27 Apr 2025
In Part 2 of her conversation, Nina Sossamon-Pogue moves from storytelling to strategy—offering real-world tools for navigating change, resilience, and reinvention. From building a reverse resume to mapping your own success timeline, she shares frameworks that help Gen Xers (and anyone feeling stuck) turn lived experience into a launchpad. Instead of chasing corporate validation or viral moments, Nina reminds us that real success is slow-built, self-defined, and deeply human. For those designing their next chapter, this episode offers not just hope—but a real blueprint for building forward.Your Reverse Resume: What You’ve Survived Matters“It’s not just what you’ve achieved—it’s what you’ve overcome.”Nina introduces the concept of the reverse resume, helping people recognize the hidden strengths built through life’s hardest chapters.You Are Not Your LinkedIn Headline“We are so much more than our last job title.”She challenges the conventional resume model, urging listeners to view their lives as full stories—not highlight reels.Resilience = Adaptation, Not Just Persistence“Grit keeps you going. Resilience changes you.”Nina explains why true resilience requires positive adaptation, not just stubborn endurance.The Successful Timeline: Redefining What Really Counts“A career milestone isn’t the same as a life well-lived.”She shares how mapping your life as a timeline of both triumphs and setbacks can reframe your sense of success.The Lego Mindset“We each have a unique set of building blocks. The masterpiece is yours to create.”Using a brilliant Lego analogy, Nina shows how your skills, experiences, and choices can assemble into something no one else can replicate.________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Nina Sossamon-Pogue --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.14 Million+ All-Time Downloads.Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.Global Top 3% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>140,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
Chapter 1: Who is Nina Sossamon-Pogue and what is her story of resilience?
Hi, everyone. Welcome to our show, Chief Change Officer. I'm Vince Chen, your ambitious human host. Our show is a modernist humility for change progressives in organizational and human transformation from around the world. These days, we talk a lot about resilience. We can discuss the psychology of it all day long. But who actually walks the walk and talks the talk when it comes to resilience?
Professional athletes. Today, I'm sitting down with Nina Sossaman Pope, a former professional gymnast, who started her journey at about four years old and went on to join the U.S. gymnastic team. In her own words, gymnastics is a perfect example of resilience. You literally fall down and get back up all day every day as you learn new skills.
That mindset became part of Nina's DNA, and it carried her through some incredible twists and turns. From the heartbreak of not making the Olympic team to leaving the sport for good after an injury, she faced one identity crisis after another. But she didn't stop there. Nina built a successful journalism career that spent 17 years only to be let go despite being a beloved news anchor.
Chapter 2: How did Nina transition from gymnastics to journalism and technology?
And instead of staying down, she jumped into technology, starting from scratch, and reinvented herself yet again. Yesterday, in part one of our conversation, we explored Nina's journey, her training, her tryouts, and her setbacks. Then today in part two, we'll explore the tools Nina has developed over the years to help others rise above their challenges.
Tools like the reverse resume and successful timeline. We are not talking about your typical resume or conventional ideas of success. We are going beyond that. So let's begin this incredible journey with Nina. Absolutely. And I think that's a great point. For anyone listening, the takeaway here is to think outside the box when it comes to your skills and experience.
We often limit ourselves to what we have always done or the industry we know, but those same skills can often apply in ways we wouldn't initially expect. In my own experience, A guest on the show, an executive recruiter, once told me I would meet a great executive recruiter myself. At first, I was surprised. Recruiting wasn't something I've ever considered.
But she pointed out that my ability to support talent, connect with people, and bring the right voices onto the show demonstrated qualities that could be valuable in her industry. So, just like your own story, it's about being creative and open-minded when exploring new directions. Sometimes it takes an outside perspective to see what we are really capable of.
Absolutely. And be creative in your own head as you're thinking what you're good at. But I really encourage people to, you might not have seen that about yourself, but she did. Same thing for me. I didn't see that in myself. Other people said, oh, you could do this. Having conversations with other people that ask them, what do you think I'm good at, is really interesting.
You really will learn a lot about yourself. It's hard when we're in our own head. One, we might not see our skills. Two, something that other people think is really valuable that we could do. For us, it may be second nature. We don't even think of it as a skill. It's just who we are. So really cool to look at it that way. She saw something in you, you might not have seen.
I had the same situation when someone saw something in me. So for your listeners, maybe get an outside opinion, figure out what else you might be good at that you don't even see.
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Chapter 3: What is a reverse resume and how can it help in navigating career change?
So you've moved into technology, built a new version of yourself, and now you're out there as a solo entrepreneur, as an author, as a speaker. It's amazing to see how your career has evolved. As we're talking about transitions and career paths, resumes often come up. Traditionally, resume is seen as an advertisement, a highlight reel of achievements.
Chapter 4: How do you create your own lifetime timeline with achievements and challenges?
But you introduced me to the concept of a reverse resume. Could you walk us through what that is and how it might help those who are considering a change or currently navigating a transition? I think it could be a powerful tool to help open up minds and see new possibilities.
Yeah, so I came up with this concept a few years ago and I think it's super valuable for anybody who's in the middle of a change or who's just looking at what skills they have or what their life looks like. Sometimes we get really frustrated and we think, can I even keep going? What is my next thing? I'm tired and exhausted. I'm anxious, that anxiety and stress from working all the time.
And what I have people do is to draw a line across a piece of paper, and then put little dots, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 10 dots across that line. So turn your paper sideways and put 10 dots across that line. So it looks like a timeline. And then I call that your lifetime timeline. And you can go and put all the things that you mentioned, all your achievements on the top there and about the year.
So if that's 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, however old you are, Put the stuff that you've done, your achievements on the top, the things that you would find on your resume, your LinkedIn, wherever you keep your CV.
So you put that across the top and that's, you got this award and you took this, you got this degree and you have the certification, the jobs you've held, all of that, the good stuff you're proud of is on the top. And then I ask people to go down below the line and put down things that you have overcome. And this could be anything. This could be raising a child with a disability.
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Chapter 5: Why is recognizing what you've overcome as important as your accolades?
This could be a death of a loved one. This could be being raised in a poor situation. This could be an accident you overcame or an illness you overcame. Or if you're later in life like me, this could be the divorce or the getting fired or all that other stuff that you have gotten through. The big challenges you face, you put those down below. And then...
And that's your reverse resume, what I call your reverse resume. Those are the things, the down below the line stuff is what makes you who you are. The top stuff is your accolades. That's great. That's what you're doing. Down below is who you're being. So that's your reverse resume shows you all you've overcome and all of those things that you have managed through.
And I always tell people there's hidden gems in there that can tell you who you really are, what you're made of and who you are as a person. And that reverse resume is really important because that tells you what you're made of. And so when I'm hiring someone, sometimes they'll say, what's something you've overcome, something you've challenged that you have managed through.
That piece of who you are is really important. a big part of the strength that you bring to the table. So every time, when you look at it on a line like this, you can see the above the line and the below the line. And if you draw a line from one to the other, it's like this up and down, like an echocardiogram, like it's your heartbeat. And life is all these ups and downs.
Chapter 6: How can the reverse resume serve as a tool for resilience and motivation?
And that bottom part is really important to figure out who you are and what you have to offer. That's becoming more resilient. Every time you're back up over that line, that's when you become more resilient.
Yes, this isn't just a single page. It's more like a notebook, something dynamic that we keep updating. It can serve us as a reminder, especially in those moments when we are feeling down, discouraged, or unsure. As entrepreneurs, there's always something happening, some challenge or setback. But when you can look back at your progress, it's a powerful reminder that you've overcome so much.
It's just another bump in the road, not a showstopper. Just keep moving forward. Don't let it derail you.
And the cool part about it is you can see all your achievements. If you keep this piece of paper, you can see all your achievements above. You can see all you've overcome below. And no one has a blank resume above and below. We have stuff above and below that we need to be not just acceptance of, that this is who we are here. But we should be proud of we've gotten through these things.
You should be as proud that you've gotten the reverse resume, the stuff you've gotten through, as much as you have the stuff that you have achieved. So it's both pieces of it. And the best part about this, Vince, is you're on a dot on that right now. So however old you are, you put that dot on there. on that line, the line with the, I'm between the 50 and the 60 right there.
I could put my dot there. And then the magic of this, on those tough days that you mentioned, or if you're in the middle of a reinvention, on those tough days, you can see that there's a dot and then there's all this blank space ahead. All that blank space, you're going to decide what goes in there. And all that blank space ahead, you could be something different. You could have more above.
There's going to be more below, unfortunately, because that's life. But you can see all the blank space ahead and start to imagine what might go there.
Exactly. It's like you said, a mix of all your past achievements and challenges, marking different points in time, But the other side is blank, representing the future, open for you to shape. It's all about how you want to connect those dots and create your path forward.
Yeah, it's... how you want your next chapter to be. I always say it's okay to not be okay. We all have tough times. It's okay to not be okay, but it's not okay to stay that way. So if you're one of those down moments, you've got to figure out how to get yourself back up over that line. back into the happy part of the resume up there instead of the tough part of the resume.
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