Chief Change Officer
#273 Robert MacPhee: Robert MacPhee: Clarity, Chicken Soup, and a Midlife U-Turn — Part One
Fri, 4 Apr 2025
Robert MacPhee didn’t start out teaching values—he started out parking cars. But somewhere between the valet stand and becoming Jack Canfield’s right-hand man (yes, that Chicken Soup guy), Robert found his lane. Now the author of Living a Values-Based Life, he’s guiding people to stop driving in circles and finally align their actions with what truly matters.In our 2-part series, we dig into the real reason so many of us struggle to name our core values (spoiler: it’s not because we’re lazy—it’s because no one ever taught us how). Robert also breaks down why clarity is the unsung hero of decision-making, and why living out of sync with your values is like following GPS directions with the volume on mute.Part One. Key Highlights of Our Interviews:A Masterclass with Jack Canfield“I was fortunate to work closely with Jack Canfield, the co-creator of Chicken Soup for the Soul. Over nearly a decade, I learned invaluable lessons about personal development and training, which inspired me to branch out and develop my own concept—Excellent Decisions.”Living a Values-Based Life“My current focus, and the heart of my book, Living a Values-Based Life, is helping people clarify their most important values. Once they’re clear on those, they can create a life—and in many cases, a business—that truly aligns with what matters most to them.”What Are Values, Really?“At its core, values are what’s most important to us. They define how we want to show up in the world and guide the ways we choose to be. When we are clear about our values, they become a compass, fundamentally shifting how we navigate life and work."Why Are Values So Hard to Define?“Most people struggle to articulate their values simply because no one teaches them how. Schools don’t prioritize it, and while parents might model certain values, they often don’t have the tools to guide their children through truly understanding and clarifying their highest values. It’s not intuitive, and it’s certainly not a one-hour workshop—it’s a journey.”Values Are More Than Ideals; They’re Tools“Without clearly defined values, navigating life is like walking blindfolded. You may move forward, but without a compass, you risk heading in the wrong direction. Society constantly pushes external markers like money, cars, or houses as measures of success. But aligning goals with deeply personal values, like strengthening family relationships or contributing to a cause, brings fulfillment and focus.”Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Robert MacPhee --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.12 Million+ All-Time Downloads.Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.Global Top 3% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>140,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
Chapter 1: What is the main focus of this podcast episode?
Hi, everyone. Welcome to our show, Chief Change Officer. I'm Vince Chen, your ambitious human host. Our show is a modernist humility for change progressives in organizational and human transformation from around the world. A few years ago, I joined a growing venture as the chief people officer. It lasted just six weeks.
To that CEO, I may have seemed incompetent, but I knew exactly why I had to leave so quickly. It was a major clash of values. I believe in being true and ethical in both words and deeds, while he thrived on a man-made facade of showmanship and hypocrisy. Knowing my values made the decision clear. This experience ties directly to today's guest. Robert Mercier.
He's the author of Living a Values-Based Life and the creator of the leadership model called Excellent Decisions. In this two-part series, we'll dive into what values really mean, why they matter for leading fulfilling careers and lives, and why figuring out our values can be challenging. We'll also explore how to make our values visible and sustainable in a world that's constantly changing.
If you feel stuck in your current workplace, it's not necessarily your fault. Often, it's just a misalignment of values. Don't bend your values to fit in. Instead, find a place in a tribe whose values resonate with yours. That's where true happiness and success lie. Let's dive in. Robert, I'm really excited to dive into the ideas behind your book, not just the content, but also the why behind it.
Chapter 2: Why did Robert MacPhee write a book about values?
What's the story behind this calling to write a book about value? Before we get there, I'd love to hear about your journey leading up to who you are today and the work you do. Which have been shaped by your past, your experiences, your highs, your lows, and your challenges? What moments or turning points in your life that brought you to this very stage?
Chapter 3: How did Robert MacPhee start his career journey?
The story like that can be a very long story, but I'll start it in the middle. My first career really was very entrepreneurial. A friend of mine and I started a parking company when I first graduated from college, and it turned out to be a wonderful entrepreneurial success.
And as part of that, I ended up being the person in the organization who was handling all of the training and developing and hiring and and growing our people and creating a culture, which I just absolutely loved. And eventually I loved it so much that I actually transitioned out of this parking company that we had created.
My partner bought me out and I went into doing the training and development work on a full-time basis. And I had the opportunity to connect with an amazing man that Many of your listeners have probably heard of his name is Jack Canfield. He is best known as the co-creator of the Chicken Soup for the Soul books. And he's well known for that because they sold over 600 million books worldwide.
I had the great pleasure and honor of working with him for close to 10 years on the training side of his company and learning from him and working with him.
And then eventually going out on my own, developing a concept that I called Excellent Decisions, which was about making decisions based on your vision and your values rather than all the external stress and pressure that we're faced with in today's world. Eventually, I narrowed that down even further and really focused mostly on values first.
Because I realized that it's great to have a really compelling and exciting vision. But if that vision isn't aligned with your values, then it's not going to take you where you really want to go.
So my work right now and the book that you referenced, The Living a Values-Based Life book, is really focused on first helping people to clarify what their most important values are so that they can then create a life and in many cases, create an organization or a business. that lines up with those values.
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Chapter 4: What are values and why are they important?
By your own definition, what exactly are values?
You're right. It is a really big term and we can go really deep into it. And I love doing that. That's what really energizes me around this whole conversation. And at the same time, in my experience, when we talk about what values actually are, it can be a very simple answer. The answer I would give is that our values are what is most important to us.
If we are really clear about the areas of our life that are most important to us and the ways that we want to show up in the world, like how we want to be in the world, the most important, what we call ways of being, then it fundamentally changes our life. Most people... do not know or cannot articulate at least what their highest values are.
And what we say in our organization is if you don't know what your own highest values are, then chances are, at least to some degree, you're living your life and potentially running your organization in alignment with someone else's values. Because in today's world, there's never any shortage of other people and other influences from media to social media to advertising.
whatever it might be, that are pushing us to do the things that work really well for them, but in some cases don't really work out that well for us.
It's such an insightful point. Feeling like we're constantly fulfilling someone else's agenda that don't align with our own goals or values. It is easy to get lost in this sea, isn't it? Values, like you mentioned, can feel like abstract concepts until we truly define them in our lives. Take honesty, for example. It's a value that sounds universal, but how we live it might differ vastly.
Robert, I'd love for you to share some specific values you've examined or highlighted in your work Maybe ones that stood out or even surprised you in the importance. Walk us through a couple and ideas behind them. How do they resonate in a world where we often feel disconnected from what really matters?
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Chapter 5: How can individuals discover their personal values?
Sure. You talk about exploring values. That's literally what I'm doing nowadays almost every day of my life. In individual conversations with people and in conversations with my clients, that's the juicy conversations that I'm in all the time. And the one distinction I would add to that is that It's really about, for me, helping other people discover their own values.
I have my own journey with continuing to clarify and refine my own values. But the work that I'm doing and the reason I was really driven to write this book and be doing the work that I'm doing is that I see the impact that it makes on people. when they get this clarity about what their highest values are. And you gave the specific example of honesty.
And I would say, yes, that's a really good example of a value that might come up when we explore with someone what is most important to them. And there's a really important distinction in our work that we explore values in a really unique way, which is by dividing values into two separate categories. The first category is what we call priorities.
This is the areas of our life that we put our time and attention on. It's the areas of our life where we really want to create results that are creating the experiences that we want. And so we ask people, what is important to you? And we ask people to imagine what it would be like if they were living their ideal life. What would you be seeing? Who would you be with? What would you be doing?
How would you be feeling? If you were living your ideal life and people get connected to what is most important to them. And for myself, some examples that come up are my relationships with my children and my own health and well-being and the contribution that I want to make in the world, the business that I want to build, the relationships that I want to have.
These are the areas of my life that I want to be putting my critical time and attention on to create relationships. that ideal life, the kind of life I really want to live. And then the second category, and this is where your example of honesty would come up, is what we call ways of being. And ways of being are qualities and characteristics.
It's the way we want to show up in the world, the way we want to be remembered by other people, the way we want people to think of us, and the experience that we want people to have of interacting with us, whether it's on a personal or a professional level. And like I said, like your example of honesty would for many people be one of those values that would be high on their list.
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Chapter 6: What transformations occur when aligning actions with values?
And I'll give you again an example from my own life. Some of the things that show up on the top of my list are kindness and caring. Humility is really important to me. That's high on my list. Being peaceful and calm. We talk about how crazy the world is.
I really pride myself on being able to keep my cool and stay peaceful and calm, even when I'm surrounded by chaos or under a lot of stress and pressure. So things like... Like kindness and caring and humility, those are my qualities and characteristics, what we call my ways of being. And again, your example in your question of the quality of honesty, it shows up on a lot of people's lists.
It's interesting as I listen to you and answer the question, I realize, okay, honesty is not on the top of my list. That doesn't mean honesty is not important to me. And I don't admire and try and live my life from a place of honesty. But there's literally thousands of words that we could use to describe what our most important ways of being are. And I would say honesty is important to me.
But pairing and kindness is even more important. And humility, for me personally, is even more important. So for each person, it's really a very individual journey to look at all these qualities and characteristics and say, which are the ones that I most want to live my life in alignment with? And it's a very powerful question.
You mentioned that one driving force behind publishing your book was seeing how powerful it is when people figure out the values, align the behaviors with them, and act on them. The results, as you've said, can be extraordinary. Could you share some examples from your coaching experiences without naming names, of course, that highlight this transformation.
Stories where someone identified their core values, made changes to align with them, and saw incredible results. I think those examples could inspire and show us what's possible when we live in alignment with our values.
I'll give you a couple of quick stories. One is more of a personal story with someone I was working with in one of our workshops. And the other is more of a business example. But the one from the workshop, it was a workshop that I led just recently. And it's a virtual workshop. So we had people from all over the United States. I don't think that we had anyone international.
But we had one woman in the group. And the first session of the group was diving into that category I told you about priorities, like what is most important to you? What is the area of your life that you want to really be putting time and intention in to create the kind of life you really want to live? And in that very first session of the workshop, it was a seven-week course.
And in that very first session, she got really clear about that health and fitness, like her own health and being, was really important to her. And it was more important to her than she had really been thinking of and the more than she was really consciously realizing.
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