Chief Change Officer
#213 Outsmarting Office Politics with Jennifer Selby Long – Part One
Tue, 4 Mar 2025
So you finally quit that toxic job, only to find yourself in another workplace filled with the same drama. What gives? Leadership expert Jennifer Selby Long explains why office politics follow you wherever you go—and how to stop them from running your career. In this two-part series, we tackle power dynamics, corporate chaos, and the real reason some people seem to climb the ladder effortlessly while others get stuck. If you’re tired of feeling like a pawn in someone else’s game, this episode is for you.Key Highlights of Our Interview:Finding Your Ally Among the Majority“In political environments, success hinges on securing a powerful ally. Aligning your interests with theirs and elevating them as a leader in your cause is essential if you plan to stay and thrive in such an environment.”When Conversations Clash, Progress Pauses“Business meetings often default to task-focused debates where differing perspectives turn into verbal standoffs. Rarely do teams pause to acknowledge the conflict and approach it constructively, missing opportunities to uncover deeper understanding.”No Permanent Friends, No Permanent Enemies—Just Interests“Drawing from the wisdom of Martin Luther King’s attorney, Clarence Jones: the game of politics is about aligning interests, not forging everlasting alliances. Understanding this can shift how you approach your workplace dynamics.”Assumptions: The Silent Saboteur“Most conflicts arise not from genuine disagreement but from unchecked assumptions about others’ motives or goals. Pausing to clarify and validate these assumptions can eliminate a significant portion of perceived conflict.”_________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Jennifer Selby Long______________________--**Chief Change Officer**--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs,Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts.6 Million+ All-Time Downloads.Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.Global Top 3% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today. --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.12 Million+ All-Time Downloads.Reaching 80+ Countries Daily.Global Top 3% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>140,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
Chapter 1: Why do office politics exist?
What factors contribute to the crisis in the modern workplace?
Chapter 2: What factors contribute to workplace political crises?
I think it's a very fair and valid question. Why do they exist and what are those factors that contribute to the prevalence of politics in our modern workplaces? In my practice, what I see are two main reasons that office politics exist. The first one is failure to build trust and cohesion, which is, if you will, the subjective or personal reason.
And the second one's failure to align on strategy or strategic direction, which is more the business side. I do think politics are part of a human condition, and they always have been.
Now, there is a newer factor that I think contributes today, and that's the global and virtual nature of many businesses combined with what I'm going to boldly call a certain willful blindness on the part of nearly everyone to accept some of the hard realities and trade-offs of that situation or condition.
Chapter 3: How do virtual work environments impact office dynamics?
So fundamentally, what we know is even in today's more virtual environment, people who need to make difficult decisions together in a complex business environment actually need to be together in person far more often than most of us realize. So the resistance to this comes from both employees who've now gotten used to working at home.
They're resisting traveling to get together for off sites, resisting coming to office locations to work together in person. And from senior leaders who went set that travel and entertainment budget that's going to be needed to bring people together who aren't in the same city. Certainly quite a bit more than once a year. Now, Vince, would you like a recent example? Yes, please.
Chapter 4: Can in-person meetings resolve team conflicts?
An example would be nice. A leadership team that I worked with over several years now, and they used to work together really well. In fact, when I first started working with them, we didn't even do any sort of team effectiveness assessment because I assessed informally this team is very effective. That's not what they need my help with.
But as I watched them over the past year, they were beginning to feel threatened by each other. There was backbiting. There was bickering. There were power struggles among this team. And this became very concerning to me. Now, their membership had started to change a little bit. A key team member was leaving to retire.
And their responsibilities at a team and the pressure on them had broadened considerably. They were leading a type of business transformation that had never been attempted before. And so... You've got to start asking what is going on here that this team is becoming, if you will, political. They're getting in these power struggles with each other and these battles.
And this was rolling on down through the organization to where all the people in their organization were starting to complain and say, you seem to be battling with each other all the time. We're not ever sure quite what to do. You don't move as one anymore like you used to. In this situation, I really needed to get this team together in person to work through this.
Chapter 5: How do leaders unintentionally foster office politics?
But the T&E budget had been slashed to basically zero in that organization. In my opinion, that was where we would call a penny wise and pound foolish decision.
to cut those T&E budgets across the company because the team all agreed once we were able to get together to push hard for an exception to that T&E budget situation that we did the work that they really needed to do with a vigorous and proper assessment of what is going on, what is in the way, why has the team performance deteriorated, why were they in a split battle.
It was an incredibly powerful time that we spent together, but we all agreed it should have been six to nine months earlier. But there was this sort of resistance to make getting an exception to this T&E budget flash to getting on a plane to fly for this meeting. I do think the resistance comes from both sides, but one of the things that we do have to accept is
in today's more virtual, more global world is you might not feel like getting on that plane. I certainly know I don't at times, but you do need to make complex decisions together and you need to deal with team dynamics together in person.
Chapter 6: How can employees thrive in politically charged environments?
I really think most leadership teams probably need to be together at least once a quarter in person, despite the personal hardship and the extra cost associated with this. Now, I will say separately, I don't think that the cause or the contributions to politics are as simple as these little catchphrases like power corrupts. Because I see too many leaders who are not corrupted by power.
And I see too many ambitious people who maintain their ethics and integrity all the way up the ladder as they go. And so I don't believe in it as simple or as trite as something like power corrupt. Now, if what I'm saying sounds completely nightly to some of your listeners, I would say to those listeners most emphatically, you have been working at the wrong places, right?
In 30-plus years, I've been coaching and advising leaders. I have a clear uncertainty around this. The majority of leaders are not political animals, if you will. In fact, some situations that seem political on the surface are not as political as they seem, but they're more a matter of... Complete lack of alignment around strategy and not dealing with that.
And some of that stems from people lacking any kind of understanding of how to resolve conflict effectively. Read other people's signals. Adapt to their needs. Read situations. Lead and inspire people to change. These are the more advanced interpersonal skills.
And I will say, certainly, if those are lacking at the top, it tends to trickle down as well and feed these power battles and these political dynamics. And does any of that sound familiar or make sense, Vince, from your point of view?
Just the other week, I sat in a coffee shop. I overheard several groups dissecting what had gone wrong in their respective offices. It made me think, maybe I should bring this show to a coffee shop. Imagine all the real, raw discussions that could spark these lunch hours and coffee shop conversations. I call them unscripted water cooler moments where the true pulse of the office comes alive.
It's where colleagues vent their frustrations, share unfiltered truths about the team, the boss, and all the office politics in play. now about leaders who treat the workplace like a chessboard, where employees are nothing more than pawns, moved or discarded depending on their usefulness. It's not so much about corruption as it is about cold, calculated strategy.
For these leaders, it's not personal. It's strictly business. They justify their actions in the name of efficiency or the bottom line, if someone quits, they see it as an opportunity to reduce head count, not a problem to solve. They don't lose sleep over being called toxic. What's more, some leaders intentionally create competitive cutthroat environments.
They think pitting people against each other will drive results. For employees, it often means distrust and endless office politics. That kind of culture impacts morale, collaboration, and long-term success. Jennifer Have you worked with clients who purposely planned the seats of office politics as part of the management strategy? As part of the management strategy?
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