Chief Change Officer
#111 Collin Plume: Navigating Life Transitions with People-First Financial Planning – Part Two
Thu, 19 Dec 2024
Part Two. Once upon a time in LA, I worked at TCW Asset Management, managing billion-dollar bond funds with Jeffrey Gundlach, the “Bond King.” Today, I’m talking with someone who takes a different investment route—Collin Plume, an expert in precious metals. This conversation isn’t about selling gold; it’s about tackling real-life challenges like family finance, retirement planning, and raising financially savvy kids. If you’re navigating any of these areas, Collin’s insights and inspiring journey will give you plenty to think about. Part 2 of a 2-part series on Collin’s people-first approach to building financial security. Key Highlights of Our Interview: Gold, Real Estate, and Learning New Tricks: Why Diversifying is the New Smart “Be willing to learn about a new investment or a new strategy every year, whether you decide to do it or not. But I think being willing to learn about it is important. It will help you and it’ll keep you sharp.” Beware of Finfluencer Hype: Not Everything That Shines Is Gold “Too often, people take influencers at face value, believing that the most engaging video equals the best advice. In reality, it’s important to fact-check and do your own research because many influencers are just paid promoters, not experts.” Do Your Research: Don’t Let Algorithms Make Your Financial Decisions “Algorithms don’t care if the advice is good; they only care if the content is appealing. So when it comes to financial decisions, it’s on you to dig deeper, check multiple sources, and make sure the influencers you follow are legit.” The Real Cost of Reckless Spending: Teaching Financial Discipline to the Next Generation “As a family, we prioritize experiences like travel and education over material goods. I’ve shown my children the gold and silver I’ve set aside for them and explained how these assets will be worth something significant in the future. Whether they want to start a business or pay for college, these investments will be there for them." “I make sure my kids know that money isn’t something to be taken lightly. Whether it’s explaining mortgages to my 8-year-old or discussing the importance of not being wasteful with their toys, they need to understand that everything has a cost. I often use examples like Disneyland—where you can easily spend thousands in just a few days." Connect with us: Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Collin Plume ______________________ --Chief Change Officer-- Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself. Open a World of Deep Human Intelligence for Growth Progressives, Visionary Underdogs, Transformation Gurus & Bold Hearts. 6 Million+ All-Time Downloads. Reaching 80+ Countries Daily. Global Top 3% Podcast. Top 10 US Business. Top 1 US Careers. >>>100,000+ subscribers are outgrowing. Act Today.<<< --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.18 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1.5% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>170,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<
Chapter 1: What is the focus of Collin Plume's financial philosophy?
Hi, everyone. Welcome to our show, Chief Change Officer. I'm Vince Chan, your ambitious human host. Our show is a modernist community for change progressives in organizational and human transformation from around the world.
I used to work in Los Angeles for TCW Asset Management, where I managed billion-dollar funds for institutions alongside the bond king, Jeffrey Gundlach, focusing on bond and credit portfolios. Today, I'm meeting someone else from LA, but with a different angle on investment. Precious metals like gold and silver.
Our guest, Colin Plume, is here to talk about something often overlooked and undervalued. But don't worry, this isn't a sales pitch on buying gold or silver. Colin and I will dive into more personal topics, family, parenting, retirement, and the sense of control over personal finance, as well as financial education for future generations.
So if you have kids, care about your financial future, are looking after elderly family members, or are simply concerned about financial and family planning in general, join us and get inspired by Colin's journey in building wealth from scratch. This is part two of our two-part series on Colin and his golden rules of people-focused finance. Let's get started.
So, the desire for control often comes from a lack of trust and confidence in the system.
And I think when you look at the idea of the dollar itself, the return is so low in the bank also relative to what you can make out there. This year, gold is up 27%. Even though the banks are paying 4% in the bank right now, they're only paying that 4% right now because they know that there's so many other investments out there that yields a much higher return.
And so with inflation being something that everybody is talking about, everyone's talking about the price of energy and the price of food and all of these things have gone up. They've skyrocketed over the last few years. People also are saying, I can't make 4% in the bank. And I think the returns of the banks in the US are gonna continue to go down.
I would not be surprised if we see 3% savings returns by next year and even lower. So the other idea too is I just can't leave money in the bank because I need to keep up with my quality of life. And I think that's the thing about gold.
If you go back over time, if you go back the last 150 years, gold has been able to keep up with inflation and the cost of living in a way that most other items have not. And that is also the big idea with investing for retirement is you want that same quality of life in retirement that you have while you're working.
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Chapter 2: Why is learning about new investments important?
And I'll tell you, a lot of my clients that I had when I was in commercial real estate Many of them bought gold and silver from me. And I had conversations with them over the last few years that said that they were so happy that they diversified out of real estate because real estate has been so difficult over the last few years. And I don't think it's going to get better.
any better i still think real estate is going to have significant issues and so if you have all your funds and just real estate just rental properties just whatever it is in real estate and you go through a down period and we've been in a two and a half year down period in real estate then you could really jeopardize that comfortable retirement if you don't have other assets to pull from
And so that's a big part of my philosophy is I do own real estate. I do own lots of gold and silver. I do own some stocks. It's important to be diversified. And I'm even diversified into buying additional businesses because I do want to be more diversified. And I think that owning good quality businesses and building them up is another way to have an income stream.
And so I do exactly what I tell people to do and I am diversified. And that makes me feel more comfortable is not having all my eggs in one basket. And I think that's the thing that I would say to people is the most important is be willing to learn about a new investment or a new strategy every year, whether you decide to do it or not is up to you. But I think being willing to learn about it
is important. It will help you and it'll keep you sharp. And I think the idea that you can just rely on a financial advisor or a stockbroker to make all the decisions for you is not a way for success. I think that they have a very specific job. They have certain items that they can put you into or sell you into.
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Chapter 3: How can gold and silver protect against inflation?
And if you only rely on them, you could be missing out on some tremendous opportunities in other investments that are out there. And so the goal I think today, and this is the thing I tell people about gold and silver, the great thing about owning gold and silver is that you are in control of it. You're the boss. The downside to owning gold and silver is that you're the boss.
So you're the boss of both sides. And for some people, that's what they want. And for other people, they're afraid of it. But I think ultimately when you're talking about your future and your finances and all the things that you've worked so hard for, Ultimately, you do want to be the boss and you want to dictate your future yourself and be in charge of it.
And I think that's the big shift that's happened in investing over the last 20 or 30 years. People now, people on the Internet, people on YouTube that are talking about finances, and it's really shifted from... the financial advisor model to, hey, I can learn stuff online. I don't have to just trust my financial advisor. I can learn on my own. I can go to YouTube.
And I think people that are doing that and that are learning about new investments are really benefiting from all the information that's out there.
You've mentioned the word retirement a few times now. Well, this podcast isn't specifically about retirement. A lot of what we discuss, like career change and navigating through this era of change and uncertainty, ties into that. Even the whole notion of retirement is evolving, with AI set to reshape many aspects of work and career development.
the idea of what retirement looks like is shifting too. Now, for those who still have a stable job and income, would you say in preparing for whatever that version of retirement might be, Diversifying or investing in gold and precious metals could serve as a haste against income uncertainty. Have you worked with clients in this situation before? And what advice do you give them?
Yeah, I think being diversified in retirement... I think your question is interesting in that retirement is changing in that people are working longer, and I think it's great that they're working longer. I recently was on a work trip, and I jumped into an Uber with a gentleman who –
sold the business was successful but he was he felt like he was too young to retire and so he was driving uber to the money was helpful but not necessary but he wanted to stay sharp he wanted to have a purpose And so I do think he was in his late 70s. And I think that the idea of retirement is going to change for people because they can work from home. They can do different jobs.
Father's a great example. He's 80 years old and he still works for us part-time because he likes having a purpose. And I think that's the thing that people are...
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Chapter 4: What are the risks of relying on financial influencers?
And I think that a lot of people are transitioning into these jobs and they're paying amazing. I've seen writing jobs paying $25, $30 an hour average. for good writing. And the list goes on and on. So I think retirement, the idea behind it is changing. And I think that people are realizing that they can continue to work in some capacity. And I think it's healthy to keep your mind sharp.
Also, having a little extra income is important. I think people don't know where the cost of things are going to go. And having another income stream in your later years can be really helpful. We at Noble Gold have hired a number of people that are older than 60. And it's been fantastic, not only for them, but for us, because they have so much life experience, so much experience.
for us to learn from. And we've really benefited from hiring people and typically when someone would retire. So that's been quite, quite interesting and a big shift for us. is being open to people at all ages and stages in their life.
And I think that we and our clients have really benefited because for my dad, for instance, a lot of the people that he's talking to are in a similar position to him. They're in their 50s, 60s, and 70s. And so he can really connect with them on what they're seeing day to day and what they're feeling about their retirement and how comfortable they are. So I think the idea of retirement is shifting.
I think more people are working longer, but I think it's actually in a lot of ways, it's healthier that they have some purpose. in their life and I think it's something that is a big shift as people are living to a hundred and more.
I don't think many of the financial advisors have created strategies where people are living to a hundred and having an extra income coming in a thousand or two thousand or three thousand dollars a month potentially in your later years can definitely stretch your dollar a lot longer than it used to. So I think the whole thing is changing, Vince.
That brings up another opportunity for a longer-term strategy, especially for people with continued income. It's definitely healthier, both physically and mentally, to stay sharp, to stay engaged, even part-time. Studies show that after a certain age, while exercise is crucial for physical health, keeping your brain active is just as important for mental and physical well-being.
Earning extra income, even part-time, helps with that. And of course, some of that extra income could go towards investments, like you mentioned. But it's also about maintaining control. Control over your life, your mobility, and what you want to achieve before the final days. I think we all, at the end of the day, want to own our lives and have control over them.
And one of the tools to do that is money. Now that you've touched on retirement, there's another trend, the rise of financial influencers. These days, anyone can learn about finance and investments online anytime, anywhere. On one hand, these influencers help democratize financial information and make advice more accessible. But on the other hand, there are concerns.
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Chapter 5: How is the concept of retirement evolving?
Chapter 6: What role does diversification play in financial planning?
what's your take on this rising force of influencers and how would you advise listeners who are navigating through all this to make smarter decisions i think finn influencers are i would say that there's
It's good and bad in that the good part about it is you can get access to a different style of learning that probably wasn't there before. For instance, if you wanted to learn about Tesla, You used to go online and look at the stock and read the prospectus and make your own determination, or maybe you had a stockbroker tell you their thoughts.
But now you could go to YouTube and look up Tesla and you could get different sides of the story and different ideas of what's going to happen or thoughts from that influencer and you could learn about the stock in a different way. Because for many people, learning in that way with video is much easier than reading a perspective. So in some ways, it's really good.
And even for me, when I wanna learn about something, obviously in the financial realm that I don't know, I will go to YouTube first, and then I will go and try to get information or a book or do research in many different ways.
the bad thing is that they think they are authorities and people believe they are authorities and a lot of times it's just their opinion or even worse they're getting paid to tell you something and so one area that i know that a lot of people got that lost money was the NFT market, which was a derivative of the crypto market was this NFT craze.
And people saw influencers like Jake Paul and a lot of these, or Logan Paul, I can't remember, one of the Pauls that created these NFTs. And they said that they would do these certain things. There's other ones out there that have done this too. There's hundreds, probably thousands. And a lot of times they were getting paid either to create that product or promote that product.
And there was really nothing behind it. And a lot of people took their word at face value. The big thing about when you're getting into investing or you're doing any kind of money, you got to spend some time and do research and check different sources. The problem today is that people will, if they like an influencer the way that they talk, they'll take their word for it.
And unfortunately, the algorithms of these social media, it's not based on who's giving you the best information or someone that's the most credible. it could be either that they paid to get in front of you, number one, or two, they could have just presented the video in a way that is the most appealing to people.
And so the problem is that people, and they've done studies about this, and they've done it on Google too, is that people think the things that pop up on social media or on Google searches, they think that those are the authorities. And actually, it's just based on the algorithm of that social media platform.
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Chapter 7: Why is it important to maintain control over personal finances?
If people did that, I think they'd be in a much better place. But unfortunately, people do see these influencers and they take it on face value. When we advertise with influencers, we really tell people to do their research on us and do the research on precious metals too.
And that's why we send them so much education because ultimately I want people to make an educated decision before they buy from us. It's important that they do that because it's a long-term relationship. I know that if someone acquires precious metals from us, they may be our client for the next 10 or 15 or 20 years.
So I want them to know that they made an educated decision, that they did their research. So it's important that people take that extra step and they take that time and they do the research on the company that we tell people, check out our reviews. Go to the BBB, go to Google, check us out.
These are all things that you need to do before you make a financial decision and not just take that influencer's sort of word for it because they could just be paid for an ad. And I've talked to influencers about promoting us, and I've asked them if they're interested in precious metals, and they've said no. And I've said, I don't want to do business with them.
I only want to work with influencers that are interested in what we do, because otherwise it's just... They're just getting paid to say it and it doesn't make sense and it doesn't ring true. So it's important even for us to work with influencers that really believe and have done their research so that if they do an ad for us, that it's credible, that it's actually something that they believe in.
And I think that's the big disconnect with influencers is sometimes they will just promote a product for money and not necessarily that they believe in it.
I think the issue with financial influences is just one part of a larger problem. Ever since the internet became a part of our lives, we've had access to a flood of information. And now, with social media and various platforms, we all have to deal with misinformation and fake news. These influencers are just one group of influencers sharing information, but often it's not verifiable.
This brings us to a major topic that has been discussed a lot lately in the media, which is developing critical thinking and independent thinking. These are skills we're supposed to learn in school and on the job. But with the rise of social media and some negative effects of technology, it seems like people are losing the art of thinking critically and independently.
This brings me to our last and most important question. Let's go back to your roots as a family man. You are a father of three young kids, the next generation. With your knowledge of investment and diversification, you're already building a financial safety net for them, buying gold for them, securing the future. But beyond the wealth you're building,
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