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Chapter 1: Why did it take six years to get George Farmer on the show?
All right, guys, it's only taken me six years to book this next guest. Very difficult person to book, but I made it happen. George Farmer, welcome to Candice.
comments taken. Why do you never come on my show? I try so hard to get you on the show. And it's been six entire years since you've done that.
You know, your skills are in front of the camera. Mine are behind them.
Yeah, exactly.
I like to let you do your thing. I do my thing. We do our own things, you know?
Well, I have a list of questions that the internet would like to ask you. Don't worry. It's not too bad. I will start, obviously. People love to hear the story about how we met because it was, I wouldn't even say a bit like a rom-com. It actually was a rom-com featuring Russell Brand, who does a lot of rom-coms. He's actually known for a lot of rom-coms.
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Chapter 2: What is the story of how Candace and George met?
And so for those of people that don't know the story, it was a wintry night in London. I was filming a podcast with a very communist Russell Brand, by the way. I would like to be very clear. He was very far on the left.
And it was his under the skin podcast supposed to be for like an hour It ended up being three hours of filming and you had a friend Paul Joseph Watson who was a mutual friend but I had never met him and He and I were supposed to meet up to finally meet off of the internet just to say hi to each other and he never told me that he had actually organized an entire dinner for me and for Charlie Kirk with about 30 people so I had no idea and
that there was a dinner being thrown in my honor in which he kind of pawned it off to you to organize the dinner. So I arrive three hours late. My assistant informs me that there are a bunch of people waiting for me. I get out of Russell Brand's house and I was very apologetic when I arrived three hours late because I like to be punctual. And I sat next to you and you basically said nothing to me.
Correct. I did what I've done for the past six years. I just said nothing.
And it worked.
And it worked. It absolutely worked. And then you married me, so I have no idea why.
18 days later, we get engaged. And I think the first question that a lot of my audience members have is, how did your family and friends react to that? This American girl just breezes on in, and then you're like, hey, I'm going to get married to this person that I barely know after 18 days.
Well, most of my friends thought that I was crazy and I'm still not sure they've recovered from that opinion. But the family took it pretty well. I mean, my parents were pretty, they again were like a bit kind of like, okay, this is very crazy, very odd, but sort of we'll go along with it and see where this goes. And then they met you.
I think that was a big game changer for a lot of people because when they meet you, they're always... as in awe as I was when I first met you. But they were very receptive. And after a while, I think everyone realized that it was real, you know, and that was the really big hurdle to get over. Was that everyone initially thought, is this crazy? Is this just, you know, like a fire-flung romance?
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Chapter 3: How did George's family react to his quick engagement?
I mean... Is it a credit to them or a discredit to them?
Yeah, probably... I think it's a credit to them, yeah. I mean, I think my best man, Nick, who you obviously know very well, his original reaction was... you're crazy and this is never gonna happen. That was really when I first met you.
Like on the first night that we first met, people were very, when I went back from that night, I was like, okay, you know, there's this girl, very interesting, like this could go somewhere, all that kind of stuff. And his initial reaction was, you're completely insane.
Um, but then by, you know, come January, come February, come March of that, of the next year, which was 2019 when we got married, it was like, yeah, this is happening and this is good. This is good. Everyone likes you.
I remember for me, I didn't have anybody in my personal life that was saying, don't do this. But I definitely had people in my professional life who were saying, I will never forget this. We have to call them out, right? We do. Charlie Kirk, Charles Kirk, if you are watching right now.
But obviously he was very young and both of us were just so absorbed with politics and we were traveling together everywhere. Charlie really was like a little brother to me. And I remember he's just like, you just... cannot do this. You don't know this person. And then one of the donors to Turning Point USA was telling him it would be very bad for my brand.
And that really stuck with me that one of the donors said, it would be very bad for your brand for you to like not marry a black guy from the projects or something like that. And I was sort of rebutted.
Do you think it's being bad for your brand?
That's a real question.
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Chapter 4: What were the initial reactions from friends about their relationship?
So it's like someday I'm going to get one personality and the next day it's this personality and then you've got your investigative journalist hat on and then you've got your mother's hat on and then you've got your... Catholic hat on. There's a few hats that you're wearing at any one point in time. It's always fun. I wouldn't say that's difficult.
It's really just a joy of who you are as a person.
You're being kind. It's also been a tremendous challenge. I think Personally to you, because you're so different from the environment that you're now stuck into, which is to say, you are an Englishman. You like to retreat, sort of read your texts, a quiet place with a cigar.
Yep, this is all correct.
This is all very correct. And then you marry this sort of loud American. You don't like taking pictures. You don't like being seen or photographed. And then you marry this loud American. And so you've really had to adjust, I think would be the correct word.
Yeah. It is the meeting of the two cultures is perfected in our marriage, I would say. Yeah. The bombastic Americanism versus the retired English persona has definitely been like... fine tuned. But I think that like, I mean, I enjoy, I love America. I mean, it goes without saying, but I love the American spirit and culture. And you obviously embody much of that.
It's, it's much more exciting in so many ways than England. And that's not to say that I don't love England because I do love England, but there are parts about England, which really are just quite like melancholic, I would say, and quite nostalgic. And that is not who I am necessarily as a person. I'd sort of grown tired of that by the time that we had met.
I was much more like needing to reinvigorate my life and to like find the next big project to move on to and kind of not saying that America was a big project, but it is definitely a different culture. It's one which I really enjoy.
Which is funny because those are the sort of the elements that I really loved about England that I really fell in love with, like sort of the... You're always attracted to the opposite. Yeah, England, particularly London, is a bit of a Jane Austen novel. And it's one of those, at least for me, one of the cities that actually lives up to the hype. It used to.
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Chapter 5: What cultural differences have George noticed since moving to America?
You quickly became aware of that in England, just going back to my previous answer about how secular it is, because when you say that you go to church on Sunday in the UK, that is not normal.
And so as a result, by the time that you're cognizant of kind of having that discussion with your peers at a very young age, like seven, eight, nine, 10, at a boys' school in London, you become very aware that faith is different. That for me was probably the starting block because then what happened was, I started to become more interested in why I was different.
Like I started to become more interested in why my family had a faith life, had a religious life versus the rest of the kind of secular school boys who didn't. And so for me, that kind of started a long journey of becoming quite interested in theology and faith. By the time that I was 12, 13, 14, I was very aware that faith was a huge part of how I saw the world. So it just, it's different.
I mean, if you are brought up in a faith-filled home, you will realize that faith, religion, has a huge impact on the way people are shaped. And that was equally as being played out in the UK during my formative years by radical Islam as it was being played out by my own faith formation in Christianity.
Because at the end of the Cold War, of course, we had this great 10-year window where historians and philosophers, famously Francis Fukuyama, said, this is the end of history. Neoliberal capitalism has won. We will never see the rise of another ideology again in the same way that communism and capitalism had to face off against each other.
And in the early 2000s, that couldn't have been proved more wrong because this was when the rise of radical Islam happened. And particularly in Europe, this was felt very strongly. And so for me, I was witnessing things like London bombings going on in my teenage years versus my own faith formation in Christianity. And this made me realize by quite a young age that faith, religion,
it's just a huge part of people's life. It is a huge part, it is almost the greatest force which drives, it is the greatest force which drives the world.
And I would also say the lack of faith as well.
Yeah, yeah, a faith in nothing, yeah, exactly.
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Chapter 6: How has George's perspective on faith evolved over time?
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Donate, dial pound 250 and say the keyword baby. Again, that's pound 250 baby. or you can donate securely at preborn.com slash Candice. That's preborn.com slash Candice. So you're raised in an evangelical household. You are introduced to faith your entire life. You are drawn to it at a, I would say, rather, it's very young, 13 years old. So that's how you are.
And when did you make the decision, I'm actually going to study this at Oxford. I actually want to continue this pursuit with theology.
Yeah.
Was it right away? Did you consider a second subject?
I sort of thought about history at one point, but it was quite clear to me, I think, that theology was the answer. I was very interested in it. As I said, I was just very, very interested in it. By the time I was 15, I had begun the conversion experience that I then went through for the next five years to Catholicism, which culminated in me converting when I was at Oxford.
Let's slow this part down because this is pretty big, obviously, especially as, like I said, someone raised Anglican. So you're at Oxford, you're studying theology. What moved you as an evangelical to the Catholic faith, which I imagine you were raised with? a different understanding, a different perspective.
Evangelicals do tend to hold a lot of, I would say, strong feelings against the Catholic faith, both here and abroad.
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Chapter 7: What are the differences in faith discussions between the UK and the US?
I think that that's really been something that has changed in me since you've sort of, you know, changed my world in terms of spiritualism.
Yeah. I mean, I think I mean, I think I would just to build on that, Christ has won. You know, it's not that he wins, he's already won. And what that means is, but the Bible is very clear about this. And actually the church has taught the same thing for ages, which is that this world is The devil is called the prince of this world. It's his domain, right, in many ways. The world is his domain.
And so in many ways, the armies of Christ are actually, we are the aliens here. And the Bible is kind of very clear about this. We are the aliens in this world because we are the people who are living a totally different life to the majority of the world. Like Christianity has always been a religion on the outside.
Yes, it became, it had its great kind of medieval heyday where it became the dominant religion
uh you know temporal force if you want to call it that but of course what happened during that time like the church was infected with secularism as well like you know there was much there was corruption in it and there was you know the seeking of power and you know there were many there were many problems with it but you know really christians live as outsiders in this world like our home is not this world our home is the world to come and so
you know, when you look at it from that perspective, you just say, okay, well, what's really going on? Like the devil is fighting with everything that he has to destroy all good things in this world. That is what he is seeking to do at all times. And he never takes a day off. You know, it's like,
you never get a day off you are always vulnerable you know there's always this constant awareness like if i've learned one thing of being a christian it's that prayer is like oxygen it is as needed on a daily basis as it is needed
you know, like oxygen or food, you know, you need it every day because the devil certainly doesn't care whether it's Tuesday and you're having the best day of your life or whether it's, you know, the day your father dies, it doesn't make a difference. It, it's the same battle. He will be there always seeking to destroy you. And so that for me is just something where I'm like, politics, forget it.
I mean, like politics is, it is tertiary. I mean, Andrew Breitbart is famously said that politics is downstream of culture, and I would add that culture is downstream of faith, because at the heart of whether it's conflict, global conflict, societal change,
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Chapter 8: How do Candace and George navigate their differing opinions?
Gosh, that's a really good question. I would probably have to think about that.
I mean... Well, you do read... I do read quite a lot. In the morning, you read three books. And obviously, this is, again, attributing to your spiritual life. But obviously, the Bible, you read quotations from C.S. Lewis. Maybe there's a C.S. Lewis book in there that you might recommend. Just giving you ideas here. And then you read which Pope Pius...
No, Pope Benedict XVI. I read a daily reader from those two guys, the Pope and C.S. Lewis. I do read a daily reader from those two because they are treasures of wisdom. Now, do they have a specific book? Like C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity, obviously, which has seemed to undergo quite a popular resurgence. Russell Brand, for example, our Cupid in our story.
He did a book club on it recently, which I thought was very interesting.
Really love the idea of Russell Brand as Cupid.
But on top of that, I would say... like there are really interesting books that i've read in um the last few years which i've i find to be very interesting on like totally different topics i mean i would say the rise and triumph of the modern self which um was written by a professor called carl truman i think which i read last year was a really really interesting analysis on um
how we have ended up. It's basically this, it's basically the politics of sexuality. And it's been a fascinating book. It was a fascinating book just to, because to the untrained mind, you get here and you get to 2024 and you're like,
what on earth went wrong like where did we go wrong what has happened like how have we ended up just talking about this and what he does a really amazing job of and it probably was the most it was just the most interesting book that i've read in the last five years probably but it was well maybe not the last five years but definitely the last couple of years it's it's it it
it weaves the thread of how we started talking about, you know, the romantic literature poets and how we ended up at transgender. And it's basically saying that, you know, you have this kind of like fine thread which has been woven all the way through
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