Call Her Daddy
Phoebe Gates & Sophia Kianni: Rebounds, Roommates & Running a Business
Wed, 30 Apr 2025
Join Alex in the studio for a conversation with Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the hosts of Unwell’s newest podcast, The Burnouts! The girls discuss going from enemies to best friends, their most unhinged college life hacks, and their worst rebounds. They also talk about launching a company together and how they navigate being young women in business. Enjoy!
Chapter 1: Who are Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, and what is their new podcast about?
Daddy gang, welcome back to another episode of Call Her Daddy. I am so excited for you to watch this episode. We have Phoebe Gates and Sophia Chiani on this week's episode. They just launched their podcast called The Burnouts with Unwell, and they are our most recent sign to unwell.
If you guys are going to become fans of them today, I am just excited for you to listen to their chaotic stories, their best friends, their business partners, and they are officially unwell. The first time I ever met them was on a random Zoom. We had a mutual friend put us together. They were like, you guys are in complete different industries, but maybe you guys will hit it off.
And one thing led to another, and we recognized, wait, you guys are launching a sustainable fashion company. You're young women in your 20s living in New York. You're figuring life out. Yeah, I want to listen to you guys and hear what you have to say. And so we launched their podcast. They also just launched their company called Fia, and they really have become quickly two of my favorite people.
They're so funny together. Their banter as business partners and best friends is everything. So without further ado, I'm so excited for you to get to know them. Let's get into it. What is up, daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy. Phoebe Gates and Sophia Chiani, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thank you for having us.
Phoebe and Sophia have been up since 2 a.m., 3 a.m.? 5 a.m. Okay, your company just launched today, Thea. How are you guys feeling?
I feel like we just birthed the child that we've been creating for the last year. It feels nuts. I'm like really excited though.
I'm kind of freaking out a little bit. Launch day for anyone that has a business, anyone first day of school, like a birthday party. I don't even know what the feeling is, but there's just this excitement and I want to get into everything. But first, I do though want people to get to know you better today.
Because this is kind of like now your reintroduction to the world through the lens of Call Her Daddy and the Daddy Gang. So we're going to do it a little Call Her Daddy style. I want to go back to the beginning for you guys in terms of you two met at Stanford. You're in college. You meet. Can you tell me your first impressions of each other and how you actually met?
Okay, so we met at a football game, right? And Sophia, I was pretty intimidated by because she worked for the UN. Her Instagram basically looked like this girl was a professional award receiver, okay? It's like Times, New York Times, UN, saving the world with her nonprofit. And so I obviously was super jealous of her, I'm not gonna lie.
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Chapter 2: How did Phoebe and Sophia meet and evolve from rivals to best friends?
So I like this that you're saying of like firing people or being trying to be everything for everyone. You can't. So maybe we just need to start saying, fuck it. And if the word gets out that you're a bitch, okay, you're doing just fine. What has been the hardest double standard you guys feel like you've had to overcome together?
Children, always children. We'll have investors ask us all the time, well, what happens when you two go have babies? And I remember one time like crying about that. I called my mom and she's like, get up or get out the game, sis. I was like, damn.
But I think just like the assumption that, you know, in your career, if you're a woman and if an investor puts in money and you're going to be around for 10 years, that like, you know, that you're going to have kids and then you're going to fuck off.
Someone asked that to us, like literally an investor on a call was like, so what's going to happen to your company when you have kids? And we were like, what's going to happen to your venture firm when you have kids?
I was like, Sophia, calm it down. Calm it down.
I'm like, what about you? Huh? And he's like, why would that affect anything? And I was like, you answered your own question.
It's so true. And it's so crazy because that's not a one-off. It's wild you say that. I just had someone ask me the same thing. No way. We were talking about a specific thing for business that we were considering launching. And someone asked me about my timeline for kids. And I was like... Oh my God. And it's like, imagine ever asking a man that.
Listen, I get it that our bodies are going through something that the man doesn't have to go through. However, it's so inappropriate. And in my brain, when I have a kid, I'm like, Matt, we're 50-50 if anything. You're 70 and I'm 30 because I already have an extra fucking 100% that's on me anyways. So step up, buddy. Like, That is so crazy. Wow.
Do you have any advice for women in the workplace when they're dealing with this like kids timeline, all of it? Like obviously none of us have kids right now, but like how do you deal with it? Keep a win sheet.
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