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Sneaky F**kers Theory: How Predatory Men Are Faking ‘Wokeness’ To Prey On Women w/ Seth Dillon & Gad Saad – Ask Dr. Drew - Ep 438
Mon, 23 Dec 2024
“Sneaky f**kers is a zoological term from the 1970s,” Professor Gad Saad explains. “I applied it to explain male social justice warriors.” Dr. Saad’s ‘Sneaky F**ckers’ theory is based on a zoological mating strategy that found weaker males of certain species would make themselves appear more female in order to avoid challenges from the pack’s alpha. The theory proposes that weaker human males are now employing the same tactics through a form of wokefishing – performative feminism, self-hating racism, and the display of public-facing amulets like cloth masks, pronouns in bios, or aposematic hair coloring – even though their ultimate goal is the same (or worse) than the biologically stronger males that they are trying to avoid. Seth Dillon is the CEO of The Babylon Bee, the world’s most the trusted, factually accurate news source. He speaks on college campuses and at conferences across the country about the effectiveness of humor, the moral imperative of mockery, and the dangers of censorship. He lives in Florida with his wife and two sons. Read more at https://babylonbee.com and follow him at https://x.com/sethdillon Gad Saad is a professor and evolutionary behavioral scientist. He held the Concordia University Research Chair in Evolutionary Behavioral Sciences and has been a Visiting Associate Professor at Cornell, Dartmouth, and UC Irvine. He is the author of ‘The Parasitic Mind’ and ‘The Saad Truth About Happiness,’ and recipient of multiple awards including Concordia’s Distinguished Teaching Award and Research Communicator of the Year. Find more at https://gadsaad.com and follow him at https://x.com/GadSaad 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is the Sneaky F**kers Theory?
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It must be astonishing to you that what has in the past looked like pure satire has been the so-called truth as published through the eyes of mainstream media. It's almost like you guys don't have to do anything anymore because mainstream media has become a satire of itself.
That's very true. We read headlines all the time as we're kind of scanning them to see, you know, what's in the news and what we should be joking about. And sometimes the headlines themselves seem like a joke. It's exaggerated. It's become kind of like a caricature. The reality itself has become kind of like a caricature, which makes it hard to caricature a caricature.
So our job is more difficult than it's probably ever been.
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Chapter 2: How does mockery serve as a tool against bad ideas?
And so what you're trying to do is, you know, sometimes a person will be part of that story. You know, there may be a person who's advancing a bad idea. And so your satirical mockery of their idea involves them and references them. But you're not necessarily picking on a person to tear a person down, make them feel bad about themselves, something like that.
Generally speaking, the satire is targeted at the ideas themselves. And I think it's important for the same reason. I quote C.S. Lewis all the time when he said that good philosophy must exist for no other reason than because bad philosophy needs to be answered. And I think that's It's exactly why satire is necessary. It's because bad ideas need to be answered.
And ridicule is one of the most effective ways to do that. It really does a great job of showing people just how stupid or foolish a particular idea is.
It's almost a shorthand argument. And unfortunately, we live in a time when people will not tolerate careful argumentation. They immediately start to attack back with ad hominem arguments or accusations or, you know... You're part of a bad group or whatever. It's not argumentation. So the only thing left really is sort of pulling the curtain back with a little bit of mockery.
And that does tend to get through.
Well, and it's also kind of a last resort in the sense that a lot of the ideas that we're engaging with right now are such insane ideas that They're advanced by people who have abandoned reason and rationality on purpose. They're looking you square in the face and they're telling you that two and two make five. They're saying these crazy things. They're denying reality.
And so what reason in that person are you going to appeal to in having a serious discussion with them? And so you're probably not going to change their mind by engaging in serious argumentation with someone who's thrown reason out the window. I mean, they've thrown logic out the window.
And you may not even change their mind by mocking their bad ideas, but you can have an impact on the conversation by just showing how bad the ideas are. And that's where I think, yeah, mock reasons. Showing other people.
Again, that's why I sort of think of it as kind of pulling the curtain on these things. I always think as my model in my head is always how would I address a flat earther? And sometimes they do use careful argumentation. Their problem is because there's so much motivated reasoning that they will go back to
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Chapter 3: What are the implications of censorship in comedy?
Well, in a thoughtful way. And I feel like that's what you guys try to do. You try to really... How do topics get prepared in the Babylon? Is there a writer's room? I just imagine a room where stuff's being thrown around. Are you sitting at your computer all night? How does it work? Yeah.
I like what you said about it in a thoughtful way, too, because a lot of the way that guys like them or us will be denigrated is to suggest that we're hateful and that we're telling these jokes from a place of hate.
That is getting to be... The hateful thing is getting to be an old-fashioned way of discourse. I mean, there's so much. Our culture has been so ossified for about 15 years now that some of these ideas and strategies you can mock for being old-fashioned, like old-timey. That's an old-timey idea. Stop it. That was two generations ago now.
Right. But the idea is that humor is harmful, that humor hurts people's feelings, that people deserve to have a safe space, that they have a right to not be offended, that Trump's your right to speak freely or to challenge bad ideas. And there's a lot of that going.
That was cited as the reason why, the reason Jerry Seinfeld gave for not playing college campuses anymore is because you have this kind of safe space culture that exists, especially among young people where they're not willing to laugh at jokes that that poke at the sacred cows there. And they're certainly not willing to laugh at themselves. They take themselves way too seriously.
And so that's the, it's the excuse that is used to try to cancel or censor, uh, voices that are saying things that they don't want to hear is that it's, you know, it's hateful, it's harmful, it's misinformation. You know, you check all the boxes. Um, But it has been thoughtful and it hasn't been hateful. I think the best way to love somebody is to tell them the truth.
And one of the gentlest ways to do that is to use humor. And so I wouldn't suggest for a moment that we just, you know, we hate so many people on the left that we make fun of them so aggressively. No, it's not about that at all. It's because we care about the direction that culture is going in. We care. We want to speak truth to a post-truth culture. And humor is a great way to do that.
And that's one way of actually loving people and caring about people is, you know, I don't actually want young people to succumb to bad ideas that are gonna, you know, rather than build up resilience in them and prepare them for life will make them more susceptible to problems and lead them down a path of despair and destruction and ultimately to death. I don't want to see that.
And so, you know, if humor can play a role in the conversation and preventing some of that, then that's a great thing. And it certainly shouldn't be denigrated as harmful or hateful. But back to your original question about, you know, how do we do this and, you know, what is the process?
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Chapter 4: How does the SPSL's actions affect free speech?
I love it.
Hysterical. Hysterical.
The headline for the people on the podcast, the headline says, RFK Jr. advises children to leave out eight strips of bacon and a bowl of beef tallow for Santa this year. I would say for a big fat man, that's a good idea.
Blue-bellied beef sticks.
Oh, yeah. Six-year-old saying, why don't we just get, oops, there it goes. Why don't we get everything away for free? Surges to top of Democratic polls. Yeah, again, that one could have been a possibility. But I do also believe, you said this is a post-truth world. I do believe that truth, of course, common sense is reasserting itself. I do believe it does feel like it's coming on back.
And part of that, by the way, is the resilience issue you were sort of tilting at that we know now as a mental health axiom that exposure is what humans need to develop resilience and mental health. So we must expose them to things that make them anxious and they don't like. Not the opposite of that, which is destroying people.
I heard a great quote. I think his name is Scott Peck. Does that name ring a bell to you? I think he's a psychiatrist, but he said that mental health is the process of staying dedicated to reality at all costs. I like that quote. Oh, yeah.
Staying tied to reality, staying tied to what's true, because that's, you know, so much of poor mental health is having a mistaken perception of yourself or of others or the world and the influences that are affecting you and what you can control and what you can't control. You know, all of those things play into mental health. And I do think I'm optimistic about this.
I do think, you know, the pendulum will swing back the other way and started to swing back the other way in terms of people Re-engaging with reality and deciding actually, you know, the truth does matter. And there are harmful effects if we lose sight of that.
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Chapter 5: What is the relationship between humor and mental health?
Huzzah Queen Elizabeth. Huzzah. Can you put the doxing headline up there? Is there something going on with that, Caleb?
I'm going to find it next.
Well, I can tell you what happened. I mean, we have... You mentioned at the start of this conversation that the real headlines seem really crazy to the point where you question whether or not they could be satire.
And that was kind of the reason why we gave birth to this new site, Not the Bee, which is kind of a sister site adjacent to the Babylon Bee, which reports on those crazy stories that should be satire, but somehow aren't. It's like this humor-based entertainment site.
Oh, you know what? I got to tell you something. It's a little confusing because I follow both The Bee and Not the Bee And I start getting confused about what the real headlines are. I really do. I know, I know. It's Not the Bee. Yeah, Babylon Bee blasts Southern Poverty Law Center after left-wing group doxes anonymous writers. Oh yeah, I remember this one. Go ahead, finish your thought.
Yeah, so the SPLC, they started reaching out to me and to our writers. And it's the writer, it was specifically the writers who work for Not the Bee, right? So Not the Bee actually publishes, you know,
real news stories it like i said it's a humor-based entertainment site but we cover you know real stories that are kind of outrageous and we offer a lot of commentary as well and we have several part-time writers working for that site who have day jobs uh and they write for not to be on the side and they do it anonymously they do it using a pseudonym so that they're not
exposed for some of the opinions and some of the things that they're doing because they want to protect the safety of their job. We live in a cancel culture and they don't want to lose their day job because of what they're doing on the side for us.
And so for some of them, it's a privacy concern, it's a safety concern, and it's the ability to just speak freely without having to fear repercussions for that. given that they have something to lose and they're trying to guard against that. And so we respect that and allow them to publish anonymously. And the SPLC started digging.
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Chapter 6: How can societal shifts impact political beliefs?
But I think you're going to have to keep it up because it seems like the SPLC is lost. It's like a lost cause and it needs to be sort of put in its place, lest it be something that do some serious harm to other human beings.
It's done harm. I mean, it's a scam. There are organizations that have actually faced violent attacks as a result of some of the reports. There are charitable organizations, great charitable organizations, like the Alliance Defending Freedom, who's defended us. They've represented us in multiple cases. They're on the hate watch list.
They were unable to take charitable donations through Amazon Smile program, for example, because they were on this hate list. And that's really the purpose of what they do, is they're trying to make speaking freely
and saying things that they don't like that they disagree with so costly that you're you're unable to do it you get penalized for doing it and so maybe you'll just shut up and go away and that's censorship that is it is oppressive it's tyrannical and they're trying to chill speech and get people to censor themselves which i think is even it's even worse if we if we if we go along with that if we if we cater to that and out of fear you know zip our own mouths shut i think that's even worse than hard censorship that that kind of pervasive soft censorship so
We were very upset by what they were trying to do with our writers. And I'm glad that we got as much public support as we did. And guess what? I think they only drew more attention to us and raised our profile and got more support behind us as a result of this, which tends to be the case. It backfires over and over again.
Is it surprising to you that as you... Or maybe the Babylon Bee was... I expect you anticipated this, but the degree to which free speech has been under attack...
It has surprised me. It surprised me the extent to which, well, not just free speech in general, but comedy in particular has come under attack. They're jokes. It's humor. We got booted from Twitter for a joke that we made that was considered hateful conduct. And they wanted us to delete it and take it down or else we lost access to our account. And by the way,
We were one of the few accounts ever, I think, that said, no, we're not going to do that. We are literally willing to die on this hill and lose access to our Twitter account because we should be able to tell the truth, for one thing. There's truth to the joke that we told. Comedy should be legal. We should be able to have humor in the public discourse, in the public square.
We refused to censor ourselves and thank God for Elon coming in and buying the platform and setting us free because We need that in our discourse. You know, you shouldn't have people deciding what's true up front and what you're allowed to say. And you shouldn't have humorless scolds, you know, pulling the levers to drop the floor out from under anyone who makes a joke they don't like.
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Chapter 7: What are the future challenges for content creators?
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How are you, Drew?
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