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How Can We Protect Women’s Sports? w/ Robby Starbuck & Volleyball Athlete Sia LiiLii on Trump’s “Keep Men Out Of Women’s Sports” EO – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 458
Sun, 23 Feb 2025
President Trump recently signed the “Keep Men Out Of Women’s Sports” Executive Order which prohibits transgender people from competing in athletic programs designated for women. Volleyball athlete Sia LiiLii was on the front lines of the battle – and even received a visit from Tulsi Gabbard when she refused to compete against a transgender player. Robby Starbuck is a film director, political activist, and documentary filmmaker. His documentary “The War On Children” garnered over 60 million views in 2024. Before entering politics, he built a successful production company directing Oscar-winning actors and major music artists. The son of Cuban immigrants, Starbuck advocates for conservative policies and corporate reform, leading successful campaigns to modify policies at major corporations including Boeing, Toyota, and Walmart. He helped pass significant legislation in Tennessee regarding child protection and criminal justice. Find more at https://robbystarbuck.com and follow him at https://x.com/robbystarbuck Sia LiiLii is a Senior Co-Captain of the University of Nevada Reno Volleyball team and graduating senior studying Journalism with an emphasis in Public Relations and Communications. In October 2024, she led her team in a significant stand regarding competitive fairness in women’s collegiate volleyball. Find more at https://instagram.com/s.yeaah and https://x.com/SiaLiiLii 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is the significance of Trump's Executive Order on women's sports?
We are going to tiptoe into some controversial territory today. It's good if I have a microphone to do so. Robbie Starbuck joins us at Robbie Starbuck, R-O-B-B-Y, Starbuck on X, RobbieStarbuck.com. He has been, in the past, a film director, a documentary filmmaker. His documentary, The War on Children, got over 60 million views in 2024, and he's been very politically active more recently.
We're going to also be interviewing Sia Lee Lee, a senior co-captain of the University of Nevada Reno volleyball team. She is studying journalism with an emphasis in PR, and she led her team in a significant stand regarding competitive fairness in women's volleyball. We will get into that and more right after this. Our laws, as it pertains to substances, are draconian and bizarre.
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Or use code DRDREW at checkout for that 15% off. Or just go to our website, drdrew.com slash fatty15. And welcome back. We're going to talk to Robbie Starbuck first and then welcome Sia in here in a few minutes. Robbie is, as I said, a film director, documentarian. The War on Children was a very widely viewed documentary. RobbieStarbuck.com and Robbie Starbuck on X. Robbie, welcome to the program.
Thanks for having me. I appreciate it, Dr. Drew.
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Chapter 2: How did Sia LiiLii and her team respond to the participation of transgender athletes?
The number is typically under 30. And when you have that sort of disparity in just the facts, it tells you that there's a level of conversation and the truth that's not happening because people are afraid to have it. And so it's important to bring it back to a place where we're making decisions based off of merit, off of actual analytical facts, off of the statistics.
And I think that that's where we're pushing things back toward.
Yes, in fact, that issue that converted Dave Rubin from being really a very extremely liberal sort of point of view to being who Dave Rubin is today was his confrontation with those data. It was so shocking to him that he started looking around at some of the other data. But it also reminds me of some of the craziness around people's
assessment of the potential fatality risk of covid say for a 40 year old which was you know approaching zero and when people were asked there was all kinds of conflict within families about this and what my peers found when they went in and asked the say the father of a 30 year old son who was demanding that his son get a vaccine when you asked that father what he thought his risk was of covid
of dying to his 30-year-old son, he would say and repeat, but we all experienced this, 50, 60% fatality rate, which was, I mean, such a grotesque, absurd representation of the truth, which begs the issue, and this is kind of what I wanted to ask you, and by the way, I would argue that this kind of... You said that people were falling all over themselves not to be called racist.
But I think this phenomenon, and I'm going to use certain language as we move along here, started... Well before that. I mean, I really felt it coming on during the Me Too movement. But particularly in Me Too, and I'm going to use this word now, I saw hysteria starting to take hold.
Where I remember telling people, I go, you're going to get in trouble here because this movement's going to have a problem because there's no... Due process. People are just guilty, period, off with their head. And that was, you know, not to keep taking my historical references, that's back to the Committee for Public Safety in 1789 or 1793, I guess it was by then. The French had that experience.
But what do you imagine happened to us? Do you have a larger theory about, or was the, you know, was the, our tech overlords, were they adjusting our attitudes and manipulating us?
Or were the three-letter agencies in there doing something because they had turned their policies or their strategies for color revolutions inward all of a sudden, as opposed to externally as they had throughout American history? Do you have a theory?
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Chapter 3: What challenges did Sia face from critics?
Yeah, I think it's pieces and elements of some of the things you just said. But I would say most centrally, the people responsible for the fact that most Americans, if you went and polled, believe that so many more unarmed black males are killed by police than the actual facts bear out.
that so many more believed that the fatality rate of COVID was something like 50% and that their 30-year-old or 10-year-old healthy child needed COVID vaccines and boosters. The same one that said during Me Too, you don't need any due process. If somebody comes out and they accuse anybody of anything, it means they did it automatically. Okay, so assume the worst about everybody.
Leave all victims, remember? 100% and the same people are responsible in every one of those cases and it's the legacy media. The legacy media has lied and pumped people with so much propaganda for so long that it has affected every other segment of culture. So it affects academia, it affects everything else. And at the top line of media,
Then you've got the people who are trying to affect what comes out of that. So what they're telling people, and that includes intelligence agencies, it includes some global apparatuses like the World Health Organization and things like that. But it's all laundered through that media apparatus.
And the greatest thing I think that you could pull out, silver lining from COVID, is that it was so egregious. They lied so much about about so many clear details that anybody could see was a lie, that the legacy media finally lost the trust of the vast majority of not just people in America, but across the globe.
Because it's like, once you reach that point where you tell people you need to deny the evidence of your eyes and ears, that's the point where people start to go, that's a bridge too far. And that's exactly what happened because we just all saw too clearly that when they were telling us what they were telling us, that it was just not true.
Yeah, it's funny. And now we have Deborah Birx going around on the media, or at least on some more alternative media, going, oh, we never thought the vaccine was going to stop COVID. We never thought it was going to prevent infection. I mean, these things, I mean, exact opposite things that she was saying. And she demanded the world be shut down on behalf of.
It's just astonishing that the media allows her to go around and walk around and say these things without assailing her. But I agree with you. In the sense that when I saw COVID coming on, I thought the whole thing was a media-induced hysteria. I was furious that the media was out there capturing eyes and capturing attention by panicking people. That's what I saw going on. But...
To push back on your point a little bit, when I got canceled, I got canceled through X. I got canceled through social media. And we know that in social media, that's where the government was exerting its influence. So I really feel like there were sort of
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Chapter 4: How do biological differences impact fairness in women's sports?
Chapter 5: What is the Overton window and how does it relate to this discussion?
Chapter 6: How has activism influenced corporate policies regarding gender and sports?
The number is typically under 30. And when you have that sort of disparity in just the facts, it tells you that there's a level of conversation and the truth that's not happening because people are afraid to have it. And so it's important to bring it back to a place where we're making decisions based off of merit, off of actual analytical facts, off of the statistics.
And I think that that's where we're pushing things back toward.
Yes, in fact, that issue that converted Dave Rubin from being really a very extremely liberal sort of point of view to being who Dave Rubin is today was his confrontation with those data. It was so shocking to him that he started looking around at some of the other data. But it also reminds me of some of the craziness around people's
assessment of the potential fatality risk of covid say for a 40 year old which was you know approaching zero and when people were asked there was all kinds of conflict within families about this and what my peers found when they went in and asked the say the father of a 30 year old son who was demanding that his son get a vaccine when you asked that father what he thought his risk was of covid
of dying to his 30-year-old son, he would say and repeat, but we all experienced this, 50, 60% fatality rate, which was, I mean, such a grotesque, absurd representation of the truth, which begs the issue, and this is kind of what I wanted to ask you, and by the way, I would argue that this kind of... You said that people were falling all over themselves not to be called racist.
But I think this phenomenon, and I'm going to use certain language as we move along here, started... Well before that. I mean, I really felt it coming on during the Me Too movement. But particularly in Me Too, and I'm going to use this word now, I saw hysteria starting to take hold.
Where I remember telling people, I go, you're going to get in trouble here because this movement's going to have a problem because there's no... Due process. People are just guilty, period, off with their head. And that was, you know, not to keep taking my historical references, that's back to the Committee for Public Safety in 1789 or 1793, I guess it was by then. The French had that experience.
But what do you imagine happened to us? Do you have a larger theory about, or was the, you know, was the, our tech overlords, were they adjusting our attitudes and manipulating us?
Or were the three-letter agencies in there doing something because they had turned their policies or their strategies for color revolutions inward all of a sudden, as opposed to externally as they had throughout American history? Do you have a theory?
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Chapter 7: What role does the legacy media play in shaping public perception?
I think leading up to this year, I was just sad that I had to do it because I love this country so much. And the sadness is really born from the fact that my mom and my grandparents, they already fled communism in Cuba. They lost everything they ever worked for.
And so being raised to love this country so much and to understand how blessed I was to have the American dream at my fingertips if I so chose to reach out and grab it. Even though my mom came here with no money, penniless refugee, right? But I knew that opportunity existed in America.
To know that and then to see the country turn towards something so dark, so close to what stole Cuba from my family and everything they ever worked for, you know, it made me sad to see that people could sort of lose perspective about how lucky we are to be in this country. However, over the last year,
I really sort of became inspired because I realized that America, when we're down and out, when things just seem like there's no hope. And I knew a lot of people who were like, there's no hope left. We're resigned to being taken over by this leftist blob and they're going to rule over us for 60 years. And that's just that.
And hopefully you can keep your own family safe and mitigate all of the damage from it. I realized that every time in history- Yeah, when we reach that point, exceptional people step up out of nowhere and they do hard things.
And I think that sometimes it takes having your back against the wall to realize how lucky you are to say, you know, I'm going to stand up for this because I want my kids to be as lucky as I was. And so at this point, I'm heartened and I feel inspired. And I think hopefully the mission over the next few years will be shifted to one where it says, hey, we can never get complacent.
We all need to be eagle-eyed about all of this and redouble our efforts to have a sane country to reawaken the American dream. Because if we don't, we could fall right back into what we just escaped.
You know, it's interesting. My Cuban friends and co-citizens are always the one most acutely aware of how much can be lost and how quickly. And how mortified they are that some of the things that get going here get going. So there's a certain clarity if you've been through that and you're an immigrant from a country like Cuba.
The last thing I will say before we take a break and get into the women's sports issue. is that the federal government was really just designed to manage interstate commerce, create a common debt, even that was kind of a radical concept, take care of tariff and international policy. And defense. And that's about it. That was the federal government. And it really is time.
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Chapter 8: What are the broader implications of the current discourse on gender and sports?
You couldn't be more right, though, that I think an overarching theme of what we need people to understand is that we need a much smaller government. Our government is way too large. It does way too many things. A good example of this is NASA, right? So NASA at one point served a purpose, and I think it did some great things.
However, inevitably what happens is as you get further down the lane, it bloats into this big – entity like the DMV, right? And everything is slower, their skills diminish. And you see today, you know, the reality is SpaceX can do what NASA can't do. They can do it for 20 times cheaper, 20 times faster.
And maybe that's actually even underselling SpaceX's capabilities because that was the case in 2008. They were already able to do things 20 times cheaper, 20 times faster. So today it's vastly beyond that, right? And so If you look at every agency of our government, there is a private way to do it that would be more efficient and would be done cheaper.
And that's simply just the reality of it, you know, with maybe a few exceptions like defense, where you really want to have a cohesive national policy and have it dictated by the commander in chief. The vast majority of these things, though, could be done with much more efficiency outside of government.
Yeah, a lot of thoughts to what you just said. By the way, how dare you talk about NASA like that? According to The View, I think it was today or yesterday, SpaceX just sends things up to explode and they just, one catastrophe after another. Did they not see the gigantic rockets being... Picked up by chopsticks repeatedly over and over again in different countries.
I don't think they've ever actually watched any space launches over there. I think that's something a producer told them in their ear. They don't seem like big space fans to me. I, however, am a gigantic nerd. So I've watched way too many of them, more than I'd like to admit. And the truth is NASA is not able to really functionally do almost anything SpaceX does. They lost the ability to do that.
a little over a decade ago. Actually, a little more than that now. I feel like I'm getting older. It's more like 15 years ago. They really lost a lot of these capabilities. And they just simply didn't advance with a lot of the technology. They serve primary functions that are very important in space. But I think...
We did a service to the American people and saved them a lot of money by shifting how we spent our money when it came to launches. And it's simply, I mean, if you go back in time and you say, NASA, we want to make you able to do everything SpaceX does, we would have spent probably 200 times the amount we spent with SpaceX to do the very same thing.
And now, you know, I always relate this back to people's normal lives, like the DMV. How good does it sound to have DMV workers actually be culpable for their behavior, right? I mean, like if you were able to actually take a DMV employee's behavior to their manager and say, hey, they did this for the last two hours.
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