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Harmeet Dhillon: LIVE from Washington DC w/ DOJ Attorney Michael Gates – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 479
Tue, 29 Apr 2025
Dr. Drew LIVE from Washington, DC, with Harmeet Dhillon (Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights at the U.S. Department of Justice) after a special White House "Podcast Row" event featuring exclusive interviews with top Trump admin officials and cabinet members. [From April 24, 2025] 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • ACTIVE SKIN REPAIR - Repair skin faster with more of the molecule your body creates naturally! Hypochlorous (HOCl) is produced by white blood cells to support healing – and no sting. Get 20% off at https://drdrew.com/skinrepair • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: Who are the guests and what are their roles in the DOJ?
In fact, we actually worked together during COVID on some of those cases involving the governors targeting Southern California and Orange County specifically and trying to punish Orange County for trying to be reasonable with respect to businesses opening up.
Michael, do they go after Andrew Grohl in particular? Was that part of the defense?
Yeah, they did. In fact, he was one of the few restaurateurs who actually stood up and he was very outspoken about it. He did a lot of media trying to get the word out saying, hey, you know, we don't have to go along and get along. We can push back. So he's one of those one of those strong personalities.
Warriors.
One of the heroes stood up.
Heroes. And, you know, it's so funny. At my age, I didn't expect to be saying words like hero and courage and defending my right to speak or to walk outside.
To earn a living, to feed your family.
It's the craziest. The fact that we went through this is the craziest. I couldn't have imagined something crazier happening in my life. Maybe a nuclear holocaust or something. But what's striking to me, I can't get over it. I don't think I'll ever get over it. And I met a lot of people who feel like me. But I'm always amazed at the people that they're like, ah, move on. No big deal.
I don't understand that.
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Chapter 4: What were the legal battles over COVID mandates and vaccine policies?
I want to dig a little more at this issue, though, there being so much regulation that if somebody investigates you, they'll find something. Yes. And it's sort of under the heading of, would the word lawfare be appropriate in this regard? Yes.
Weaponization.
Weaponization of law.
i never imagined the judges to be in on it and yet that seems to also now be part am i am i no you're correct there are judges who have reached conclusions in recent hours and days that are completely divorced from reality and they themselves have become activists and that is not what the constitution and separation of powers envision it is happening routinely on a daily basis and so
It is really problematic because we have, I think, lost that separation of powers. Separation of powers means that there are certain aspects of what the president does regarding the border and protecting our country that are just non-judiciable by judges, now micromanaging. There was no due process to bring criminal aliens into our country.
but they're supposedly individualized due process required on the way out. That is, I think, incorrect. I will put it mildly. And so there's a lot of that. What's the answer to that? I think all lawyers are holding their breath to see what the answer to that is. There's a tension between our three branches of government as to what happens next.
And I think it's a high stakes question that we're going to see answered in the next couple of years.
How does it get answered?
The Supreme Court's going to answer it. And then we're going to see what happens in the other branches.
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Chapter 8: What health and wellness products does Dr. Drew endorse and why?
showing us that throughout history there's trends and times when people in power will do that to other people who have less power and that is a fact in this case it was the democrats let's remember yes it was they the southern and they're the ones they were the resistance movement oh boy and they kept resisting in my small town yeah into the 70s and they may still be some people resisting over there but they're not they're not in power anymore yeah
That is still happening in America today. Who is it happening to? It's happening to Jewish students on campuses. It's happening to Christians who say, I don't want to take that shot. It's happening to Asian students who are marked, according to Students for Fair Admissions, as having less personality systematically, so that...
Harvard didn't have to admit them on the basis on which they were qualified. So these problems still exist, but the focus needs to be different. And so we're changing our focus. But, you know, we're open for business for people to bring their civil rights complaints. We'll analyze them.
And we want to make sure this country remains dedicated to its promise to the people under the civil rights laws.
Well, you brought the fair-minded civil rights attorney, Leo Terrell, in there.
He's awesome. We love Leo.
So Michael, I want to switch gears to you for a minute. We're pretty good on time here. Describe our history together, if you don't mind.
So yeah, good question. So it goes back about 20 years. I started working as an attorney in medical malpractice defense. So representing some of the best doctors, hospitals, and Dr. Drew's case came to my office. And he didn't do anything wrong, but he added some celebrity to an enterprise plaintiff's attorney. Right.
So they named Dr. Drew in the suit against the facility and some of the other providers, some of the other treating doctors. And so we got you out easy. But you were very kind at that time. We developed a relationship and we stayed in touch. But going back 20 years representing you in that case was an absolute pleasure. And it's been good to know you all these years.
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