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Beatrice Rosen on France: Woke Politics Pioneers Now REJECT Le Wokisme… WTF Changed? – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 453
Mon, 10 Feb 2025
“Le wokisme, which the French love to hate, traces its intellectual genealogy back to 1960s French intellectuals,” writes Politico, “…who analyzed and ‘deconstructed’ the language and the symbolism of power, kickstarting a global campus movement.” So why are the French people now rejecting identity politics en masse? One reason could be found in French law: “Unlike in the United States, where people are commonly asked to self-identify as a given ethnicity, such questions are illegal in France and are seen as a form of racism.” Could similar laws repair the damage of identity politics and woke racism in the United States? Beatrice Rosen is a French-American actress known for roles in major films including The Dark Knight (2008) and Chasing Liberty (2004). She has appeared in numerous television series including Charmed, Smallville, Harry’s Law, and Backstrom. A former brand ambassador for luxury house Lancel, Rosen has worked extensively in the US, UK, and French entertainment industries since 2004. Follow her at https://instagram.com/beatrice_rosen and https://x.com/beatrice_rosen 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What sparked the conversation about woke politics in France?
Well, today should be a very interesting conversation. We appreciate you all being here. We'll be watching you on the Restream chat as well as the Rumble Rants. Beatrice Rosen, she's a Franco-American actress known for her major film roles, including in The Dark Knight, Chasing Liberty. She's appeared in numerous television series, Charmed, Smallville, Harry's Law, to name just a few.
You can follow her on Instagram at Beatrice underscore Rosen, R-O-S-E-N. Same on X, Beatrice underscore Rosen. And I ran into her on a French radio broadcast, and I thought, I need to interview her. She has a lot to say. She's got her ear to the ground.
She lives in both worlds, America and Europe, and she has interesting insights and is paying attention to what is going on in both countries and the relationship between and amongst these so-called continental... organizations. Something is going on. We're going to get to the bottom of it. We're going to give you the history of it.
I've been wanting to have a conversation like this for quite some time. It should be very interesting. We'll be with Beatrice Rosen right after this. Our laws as it pertains to substances are draconian and bizarre. Psychopaths start this way. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor.
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Chapter 2: Why are French laws different regarding identity politics?
And then we sort of graduated over to talking to other clinicians who had been canceled at that time. Those people included Dr. Jay Bhattacharya from Stanford, who now in a Shakespearean turn of events will be the head of the NIH. Robert F. Kennedy Jr., we spoke to him a couple of times, who is going to be our new HHS secretary.
And if you remember back, first time I spoke to Robert Kennedy, he said, my goodness, you're so courageous to talk to me. And I thought, What the F is going on here that a doctor and a lawyer are talking on a digital platform? You need courage to have a conversation? There's something horrible going on. And now we have the USAID financial scandal sort of unexposed.
And you can now start to follow the money and see who was doing all this slamming down of our First Amendment rights. And who was infecting other countries with some of this nonsense. And one of those countries was France. I've been listening...
Because of all the mob behavior during COVID, I got very interested in the French Revolution and mob action and Le Bon, his book about... I've been doing a lot of reading about mob behavior. And then, as you know, we talked to Matthias Desmet about mass formation and Dr. Cariotti. And so we've been focused on this. But 1790 became a focus of my...
affection for a while because of what happened there in that time. And so I started watching French. I started watching what's going on there. And they, for the last year, have been saying, what is up with this wokeism? Where did this come from? What is going on? Ah, well, guess what? You look no further than USAID. That's where it came from. But it's taken roots there.
And Beatrice Rosen, as I said, is an actress. She's well-known for major films, Chasing Liberty, Dark Knight, multiple television experiences. Instagram, Beatrice underscore Rosen, R-O-S-E-N, and Beatrice underscore Rosen on X. Beatrice, oh, there she is. We really appreciate you being here. I want to get your thoughts. Thank you. I know it's late there in France, but we appreciate it.
Thanks for having me. What a crazy time to be alive. Seriously, like we're in a crazy town.
Well, that was what, by the way, who is Andre Berkhoff? He hosts this radio show that you were on, that I saw you on. And I just like listening to him because he's very provocative. Is he known over there?
Yeah, he's a very famous French journalist, very popular. And he's one of the only journalists who wasn't following the legacy media, you know, narratives. And he was very brave during all the recent crisis that we've experienced.
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Chapter 3: What led to the censorship of a popular French talk show?
It doesn't mean that we need to embrace, you know, and say that everything we've ever done is great, but we need to embrace who we are and just— you know, know who we are as a people, as a country, and we don't anymore. And that's really the root of a lot of, of issues right now. And, um, and,
with the woke movement, I know you want to talk about that later, but with the woke movement, it also makes everybody feel guilty about, in a way it's sort of a paradox because it said, you know, the woke movement is about accepting and tolerance and, and, but in the end it's about self hatred. And so that's, there's something wrong with that.
Well, it's also, it's also sort of, primitive in a way, because I, I, again, I, I'm no expert in this, but I was listening to one of these lectures and this guy was saying, you know, um, uh, we canceled Napoleon because of what happened in Guadalupe. But the reality is he freed all the slaves in the West Indies, uh, and the French West Indies.
And you have to remember that sugar was like oil back then. He had to, he had to figure out a way to control the sugar and, And in Guadalupe, there was an uprising, a slave uprising that he put down because it was a royalist uprising. He had no choice but to put that down. So if you knew your history, you'd go, oh, it's horrible, but that's what he had to do.
And he freed everyone everywhere else before we got to it. And so do French have to hate themselves because of that?
Also, the problem is people are confusing everything. I think France and America have very different histories and totally different. I mean, France abolished slavery in 1794 for the first time. Then Napoleon Bonaparte reinstated it. And then again in 1848, it was demolished. you know, definitely abolished for, for, for good. And just our, our countries are totally different.
And I think sometimes people take concepts and, um, apply them to different countries with different histories and, and it just doesn't work. And we, we need to stop, uh, to do that. Uh, the, the Americans need to stop to do that. The French people usually, uh, uh, import a lot of American concepts and forget that our histories are totally different. So we need to really stop doing that.
And we need to look at our histories in a very realistic way, pragmatic way, which is, I think, what you're getting at. And And yeah, we need to accept that we made mistakes, that some things were horrible, but they're also sometimes taken out of context. And we're taking our 20, 25 glasses to look at a situation that was in the 1800s or whatever. So that doesn't work as well.
And we just need to learn from our mistakes, but just move forward and stop... feeling guilty about what our ancestors did because that, you know, we're not responsible.
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Chapter 4: How does the woke movement relate to historical figures?
I guess so. I can't really get into it too much because, you know, I'm in enough trouble as it is. Yeah, I think, you know, they don't like people speaking up and, you know, I mean, they're canceling a whole network. because of freedom of speech, basically.
But to go back to what you were just saying, to people who just bow down and accept certain situations, to go back to what you were mentioning about the garbage cans, we are now having the garbage police. So these people are accepting jobs to basically go from door to door,
to open with a cutter you know like people's garbage and go in there with their hands to see if you you recycle properly and if you don't you know you get a like a red sticker on your trash can and they won't pick it up and you know and that's for in the first phase but the second phase will be you will get fined um i mean it's such a level of dystopia that um
I can't even believe that I'm saying what I'm saying. It's just... Where did the world lose it, basically? It's just insane. Insane. And I think what's happening in the States, though, because you were saying what the hell is going on in France, I think what's happening in the States, not that people love Trump or... It's just...
It's given people hope that things can change, you know, and because people are so depressed, people are so, so down, so depressed. It's very sad. Like the level of depression is just through the roof, especially since COVID, but not just because of it, you know, also because of this whole pandemic. It's just people are desperate. People are desperate.
And and I think what happened with, you know, the election in the states, it's just whether people like Trump or not is not the question. The question is, it gave people a lot of hope that things there's hope there, you know, something can change. And I think that's very important.
Yeah, I was listening to, again, another radio thing, and some businessman came back. There's actually a big public figure over there, I guess. I think it was from one of these luxury brand guys. And he came in and he felt the hope and sort of the positivity over here. And he said, coming back to France was a douchevoix, a cold shower. And I thought, oh, yeah, yeah, that's... Go ahead.
Yeah, that's actually, you're talking about Bernard Arnault, who's one of the richest guys in the world. He used to be always in a battle with Elon Musk and Bezos about being the number one richest guy on earth. He's the guy who owns LVMH, Louis Vuitton and Tiffany's and all these brands. And actually, he was a big Macron supporter.
And so the fact that he went to the Trump inauguration and that he came back to France and started saying what you just said that he said, it's a big deal. It's sort of like you can feel that, you know, things are taking a different turn now. And just our government is just the only thing that... that they know what to do is taxing people, more taxes, more taxes.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of repressive tolerance?
So I've heard similar things from Marie Le Pen. I feel like she, although she gets painted with this extreme right stuff, I just hear her talking about the basics of democracy, but I'm not there. Another sort of curiosity question for me, and then I want you to think about what you want people to do. I mean, if you see, other than what you just declared there, are there other things sort of
actions people should be taking. But I have deep admiration for people who can speak two languages without an accent in either language and completely colloquially. How did that happen to you?
My father is American and my mother's French. And I've always been between the two. I grew up in France. And when I'm in the States, I forget my French. And when I'm in France, I forget my English. So, you know, excuse me if today I wasn't like super eloquent. No, you're fine. You're fine. No, no, no. Defining my words.
But, you know, when you're immersed with television and people all day, you just sort of like your brain goes into one thing. But yeah, so I just grew up in France and then I worked most of my career in the States. I lived in L.A. and I worked, you know, big studios and I had a great, great experience. I love working in the States. I think it's so people are so professional.
It's just a joy to work with Americans because they're so square and so diverse. You know, they wake up at five and they have so much energy. In France, it's totally different. Like, you know, people only think about the weekend and the holidays and, you know, and resting and having dinner. But, you know, it's just a different life.
Do you have a plan to come back and work here?
I'd like to, um, I was actually going to, and then COVID hit, uh, you know, and then you get caught up with like your, your kids' schools and stuff, but I'd like to go back and, and, and work in the States. I mean, the business is totally different in the States and, and it's just more in my vibe. So, um, yeah, I'd like to go back, but we'll see. We'll see. You know, we'll see.
My husband's Italian. Yeah.
We do like to work here. Yeah, I get that. We do like to work here. And that is one of the things about, and I heard Mélenchon talking about the French being paresseux. And I thought, it's not really that. It's more that it's just a cultural thing where there's not an emphasis.
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Chapter 6: How does France's political climate affect freedom of expression?
I want to stop you if you don't mind. So you're in the fifth ETA right now, right? It's the fifth estate, fifth state. Are you saying there's going to be a sixth?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I think there will be unfortunate. I, I, you know, I admire the general de Gaulle who, um, created, um, the, the system. Right. The, the, the, the fifth one, which we're in right now, but I think, you know, he was exceptional and I don't think anybody can, uh, fill his shoes. And right now, and the level of our politicians is so low, um,
But I think we're at the end of that system. And I need I think we really need that system was made for an exceptional man to lead the country. And we don't have that anymore. And there's no perspective of having that anymore right now. So I think we're at the end of that system. And I think that even the opposition is sort of a fake position. They're just waiting for their turn.
And so they're not really willing to do what's right for the people. And I think we need to give the power back to the people because at the end of the day, like I said before, that's what democracy is all about. The people need to decide for their destiny. And, you know, it's our money. It's our it's just it's our destiny. It's our money. It's our children.
And I think we need to give back the power to the people.
Yeah, I think that is sort of happening here in this country. It's kind of the end of the managerial class revolution, and people are going back to some sort of more distributed, personal kind of empowerment of the original intent of democracies.
That's a very provocative sort of prediction for the future because I've heard it almost whispered in French media, but I thought that's what they were talking about. I couldn't quite, you know, they'd sort of moved towards how the fifth estate is not kind of working. And I thought, oh, they made a sixth, another one. Yes, I think you're right. I think it is being whispered here and there.
So that's very interesting. Well, listen, you did not disappoint. I appreciate you being here. Tell people about, if people do speak French, can they go listen to your podcast somewhere?
Yeah, absolutely. I have a podcast on all the podcast platforms, Apple, Amazon, Deezer, Spotify, whatever. And I recently launched my YouTube channel, Beatrice Rosen Official. And my podcast is called La Vie en Rosen. So it's sort of a play on words with my name and La Vie en Rosen. You got it. And I have to launch one in English because just to touch the English speaking world.
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Chapter 7: What are the consequences of cancel culture in media?
I think you had it right the first time. I'll look that up before the show, for sure.
A lot of great guests coming. Keep an eye on it. We are back on Tuesday, and that's when Dr. Soon-Shun Chong will be in studio, I believe, in our home. I think he's coming into the studio here with us. Yeah. Let me see if there's anything else coming up next week I need to mention. No, looks to be interesting. Great.
Susan will have a show on Thursday, I believe, because I think Jimmy Dore is coming in at noon on Thursday. So look forward to that. And also you might want to go back and listen to her show from this week. It was kind of interesting, particularly some of the cultural stuff they were getting into with Kanye. So have a nice Super Bowl weekend. Is that this weekend, everybody? Yep. Super Bowl.
I can't keep track of everything. What's that, Caleb? Yeah, I can't keep track of it either.
I'm not sure either.
No, it's this weekend.
I'm pretty sure. The first thing that made me think of the Super Bowl, though, Drew, is there was that story of that plane crash that happened. I believe it was the one in Philadelphia about the little boy that saved his sister by covering all the shrapnels going. And his first question when he woke up was apparently, did I save her life? And also, did I miss the Super Bowl?
And his dad was like, no, you haven't been in a coma that long. You're okay. You won't miss it. We'll bring it. We'll show it to you. You won't miss it.
So on his behalf, you better root for the Eagles. That's all I'm saying. All right. Well, listen, we appreciate Beatrice joining us. We appreciate you guys being here today on an earlier show. And we will be back on Tuesday at 3 o'clock with the owner of the LA Times here in studio with us. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky.
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