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Chapter 1: What is the Baltic Sea Anomaly and its significance?
There's something that looks like it has been sliding into the ocean. So they found this thing that looked like a crashed UFO or looked like an artificial structure outside the Swedish coast. They found that it was covered in burned biological material, which is really weird because we don't have volcanic activity in that area.
We need the actual physical proof, and I don't think any government is willing to release that. But the scientists who had claimed it was just a rock never studied the actual samples. Mm-hmm. And there is no paper and no open data. There's just a claim to the media by those scientists. And I'm just like, this is not a way of analyzing something. Wow.
So there are no samples of that object because it was so hard so they couldn't get a piece out of it. So I still think it's something that should be analyzed because it might be possibly the best candidate and non-human artifact that you can find. Wow. And I really believe that we need to seriously study this kind of objects.
Yeah, absolutely. I don't know if you want to give it up.
I'm here with Dr. Beatriz Villareal, who is a phenomenal astronomer, both in a conventional sense, she's conventionally trained, but also I think you are a rare, kind of very open mind in your field, and you've found some very interesting things, and so I'm really excited to speak with you because you're kind of on the frontier, you're the intersection, I think, between scientific rigor and this burgeoning field of studying kind of anomalous phenomena in the air and in space.
And so thank you for being here. I really appreciate it.
It's my pleasure. And it's a true honor.
Oh, well, thank you. How did you get in this space to begin with? Were you always in the space as a kid?
Oh, actually not. So as a kid, I was a very, very curious person. Well, I am still a very, very curious person. But of course, I was very interested in space. So I was very curious about a lot of things. And I think already when I was six or seven, I had written a small little essay about cats in flying saucers. I still like cats as well.
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Chapter 2: How did Dr. Beatriz Villarroel become interested in astronomy and UAPs?
So do you know that Alan Hynek worked under Menzel at Harvard? So there was this project called Operation Moonwatch held by Fred Whipple. So Fred Whipple was the PhD student of Donald Menzel. And so he created this program where they had this station, like they had 12 stations around the earth with a lot of citizen scientists that were tracking satellites over the sky.
And so Alan Hynek was helping Whipple in this program. And they actually had 36 UFO reports that I think Jacques Vallée published. Found that we now also look through, there are some very interesting things there. So astronomers and amateur astronomers have been seeing UFOs forever. It just has been ignored.
Do you know who was running the Harvard Undersea Observatory at the time?
Galileo Project?
Currently, maybe. The guy at the time was Robert Sarbacher. You know those moments in the middle of the day when you feel your energy dipping and you just need something to help you reset. That's when I grabbed my greens and it's become my favorite way to recharge. Greens is a refreshingly delicious blend of 14 essential greens, adaptogens, antioxidants, and even mushrooms.
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