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Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt on AI: Shaping the Next Era of Humanity (#225)
Sat, 23 Nov 2024
Eric Schmidt is astonishing. Here, the former CEO of Google and one of the world’s most brilliant technologists talks with visionary wisdom about Artificial Intelligence and its impact on business, healthcare, warfare, climate change, human survival and more. Don’t miss this chance to learn how AI powers we have not yet imagined will affect our daily lives.Eric’s new book, which is fascinating, is Genesis.
Chapter 1: What are the capabilities of AI according to Eric Schmidt?
To quote from the introduction of Eric Schmidt's new book, Genesis, the latest capabilities of artificial intelligence, impressive as they are, will appear weak in hindsight as its powers increase at an accelerating rate. Powers we have not yet imagined are set to infuse our daily lives, unquote. Will artificial intelligence be humanity's final act or a new beginning?
Hi, everyone. I'm Lynn Thoman, and this is Three Takeaways. On Three Takeaways, I talk with some of the world's best thinkers, business leaders, writers, politicians, newsmakers, and scientists. Each episode ends with three key takeaways to help us understand the world and maybe even ourselves a little better.
Chapter 2: Who is Eric Schmidt and what are his credentials?
Today, I'm excited to be with Eric Schmidt. Eric is the former CEO of Google and the co-founder of Schmidt Sciences. He has chaired the Defense Department's Defense Innovation Advisory Board and co-chaired the National Security Commission on Artificial Intelligence.
He has also been a member of the President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology and the National Security Commission on Emerging Biotechnology. In addition, Eric has served on a variety of academic, corporate, and nonprofit boards, including Carnegie Mellon University, Princeton University, Apple, the Mayo Clinic, the Institute for Advanced Study, and Khan Academy.
And I've probably left some out. He also currently chairs the board of the Broad Institute and the Special Competitive Studies Project. He is also the author of multiple bestselling books, including The Age of AI. His most recent book, co-authored with Dr. Henry Kissinger and Craig Mundy, is Genesis.
Chapter 3: What is the future of AI in our daily lives?
Genesis is an extraordinary book written with the knowledge that we are building new intelligences, which will bring into question human survival and written with the objective of securing the future of humanity. Welcome, Eric, and thanks so much for joining Three Takeaways for the second time today.
Lenny, it was great to be on your show last time. I'm really glad to be back. It's always great to see you.
It is my pleasure and great to see you as well. Eric, machines don't yet have what's called AGI, artificial general intelligence. They're also not yet implementing machines. They're primarily thinking machines that rely on humans to do the interfacing with reality. Where do you think AI and machines will be present in our lives and running our lives in five or 10 years?
Well, thank you for that. So let's start with where we are right now. Folks are very familiar now with ChatGPT and its competitors, which includes Claude and my favorite, of course, Gemini from Google and a number of others. And people are amazed that this stuff can write better than certainly I can. They can do songs. They can even write code. So what happens next?
The next big change is in the development of what are called agents. And an agent is something which is in a little loop that learns something. So you build an agent that can do the equivalent of a travel agent. Well, it learns how to do travel agents. The key thing about agents is that you can concatenate them. You give it an English command and it gives you an English result.
And so then you can take that result and put it into the next agent. And with that, you can design a building, design a ship, design a bomb, whatever. So agents look like The next big step.
Once agents are generally available, which will take a few years, I expect that we're going to see systems that are super powerful, where the architect can say, design me a building I'll describe roughly and just make it beautiful. And the system will be capable of understanding that. That's not AGI. That's just really powerful AI.
AGI, which is the general term is general intelligence, is what we have, the ability to essentially have an idea in the morning and pursue it that you didn't have the day before. The consensus in the industry is that that's well more than five years from now. There's something I call the San Francisco school, which says it will be within five years.
I think it's more like eight to 10, but nobody really knows. And you can see this with the most recent announcement from OpenAI of something called 0.1, where it can begin to show you the work that it does as it solves math problems.
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Chapter 4: How will AI impact various sectors like healthcare and education?
I'll give you a simple example. The social media algorithms select the most inflammatory statements who are often from the most deranged people. And that's because the algorithm works. And because the algorithm says, oh, this is interesting, and a lot of people are listening to it and so forth, that's not a good way to run a democracy.
Maybe we should have a rule that if you make a claim, you have to make a paragraph, right? And actually justify your argument as opposed to, oh my God, the following thing is about to kill and we're all going to die. But that's an example where humans have control, but we've chosen to allow inflammatory speech without the benefit of wisdom. And that's not good.
Definitely not good. Could machines or AI develop self-consciousness?
We don't know the definition of consciousness. My own opinion is that this will not occur in my lifetime. I think that what will be true is that we will coexist with these systems and they'll take on more and more of the drudgery. They'll make the systems more efficient. Efficiency is generally a good thing in economic systems. People will be wealthier. People will be more productive.
My own view is that in my lifetime, everyone's productivity will double. You can do twice as many podcasts. I can do twice as many speeches. Whatever it is that each of us is doing, Because the tools make us more efficient. And that's the nature of technology invention. It's been true for 200 years. The car made us more efficient. Google made us more efficient and so forth.
I think that will continue. Because we can't define consciousness, we can imagine that the system can itself imagine consciousness. But it's highly unclear that one, it could detect it. And second, how would we know? Because it could have just decided to fool us.
Scary thought. The power and ability of ChatGPT surprised even its creators. Do we know what super intelligences will look like in 50 or 100 years or even in 20 years?
We do not. A simple answer is that the systems will automate a more and more complex world. So if you look at a young person, at the moment I'm at Harvard surrounded by students, they are so comfortable with the world of clicking and moving around. They're in this infinite information space and they're comfortable. Whereas people in my generation find it overwhelming.
So people adapt to this explosion of information. But the right system is to have the equivalent of an assistant that sort of organizes your digital world in a way that is net positive for you. Now that has a lot of negative implications, but I don't think that humans will be able to be very productive without their own AI assistant telling them what's most important, reading things.
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Chapter 5: What are the risks associated with AI autonomy?
Chapter 6: How can AI systems improve decision-making?
Scary thought. The power and ability of ChatGPT surprised even its creators. Do we know what super intelligences will look like in 50 or 100 years or even in 20 years?
We do not. A simple answer is that the systems will automate a more and more complex world. So if you look at a young person, at the moment I'm at Harvard surrounded by students, they are so comfortable with the world of clicking and moving around. They're in this infinite information space and they're comfortable. Whereas people in my generation find it overwhelming.
So people adapt to this explosion of information. But the right system is to have the equivalent of an assistant that sort of organizes your digital world in a way that is net positive for you. Now that has a lot of negative implications, but I don't think that humans will be able to be very productive without their own AI assistant telling them what's most important, reading things.
We have this huge problem around misinformation right now. I just want something, an AI system to say, This is likely to be true, and this is probably somewhat true, and then give me the analysis. And then I can form my own opinions. At the point, going back to your point earlier about agency, which I really liked, is when you give agency to the computer, you're giving up something very important.
Don't lose your critical thinking. Don't just believe it, even if it's Google.
Check. You mentioned negative implications. What are those?
Well, the biggest one would be things like access to weapons. What I mentioned, recursive self-improvement, where the system can actually learn on its own and we don't know what it's doing. I worry about those, the misuse in biology. There are plenty of people working on what are the capabilities of these models and to make sure that they can't produce pathogens.
Take the equivalent of smallpox and make it even deadlier. And so far, we had a long conversation in the industry about this a few weeks ago. The consensus was that the models that cost less than $100 million don't have this capability. But the ones that are going to cost more than $100 million might have this capability in the future. This is what everybody said. So that's today's idea.
So if the cost of models drops down, we're in trouble. If the cost of models goes up, then we're good. So you see how the answer is dynamic based on what happens to the technology.
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Chapter 7: What are the ethical considerations of AI in governance?
Chapter 8: What does Eric Schmidt predict about AI in the next decade?
So people adapt to this explosion of information. But the right system is to have the equivalent of an assistant that sort of organizes your digital world in a way that is net positive for you. Now that has a lot of negative implications, but I don't think that humans will be able to be very productive without their own AI assistant telling them what's most important, reading things.
We have this huge problem around misinformation right now. I just want something, an AI system to say, This is likely to be true, and this is probably somewhat true, and then give me the analysis. And then I can form my own opinions. At the point, going back to your point earlier about agency, which I really liked, is when you give agency to the computer, you're giving up something very important.
Don't lose your critical thinking. Don't just believe it, even if it's Google.
Check. You mentioned negative implications. What are those?
Well, the biggest one would be things like access to weapons. What I mentioned, recursive self-improvement, where the system can actually learn on its own and we don't know what it's doing. I worry about those, the misuse in biology. There are plenty of people working on what are the capabilities of these models and to make sure that they can't produce pathogens.
Take the equivalent of smallpox and make it even deadlier. And so far, we had a long conversation in the industry about this a few weeks ago. The consensus was that the models that cost less than $100 million don't have this capability. But the ones that are going to cost more than $100 million might have this capability in the future. This is what everybody said. So that's today's idea.
So if the cost of models drops down, we're in trouble. If the cost of models goes up, then we're good. So you see how the answer is dynamic based on what happens to the technology.
In my industry, there are open source people, of which I'm one, who basically believe that the proliferation is net positive because it allows for creativity, it allows for expansion of human knowledge, it empowers everybody. This is a great position.
There are plenty of people who disagree, arguing that the tool is so powerful that if you put it in even one evil person's hands, by the time you discover the evil, harm has occurred. That debate is an age-old debate in my industry, and it's not obvious to me how it will play out. I'm an optimist, but I worry about this one.
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