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Murder In America
EP. 180 : PENNSYLVANIA - The "Dear Zachary" Case

Yes.

Murder In America
EP. 180 : PENNSYLVANIA - The "Dear Zachary" Case

Come on, Kate.

Murder In America
EP. 180 : PENNSYLVANIA - The "Dear Zachary" Case

He went in and I told him. And what I saw after that I will never forget in my life.

Murder In America
EP. 180 : PENNSYLVANIA - The "Dear Zachary" Case

With only his head sticking out. Come on, Kate. That's why we went right up to the oven doors with Zachary.

Sword and Scale
Episode 277

There was a person that you know by the nickname of LJ. Do you know his real name?

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Episode 277

It's Lance Kirkpatrick, but there is a middle name. I forget what it was.

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Episode 277

And he goes by the nickname of LJ? LJ. And do you have a nickname that you go by? Is that money?

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Episode 277

Yeah, just whatever the black people gave me.

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Episode 277

Anyway. But the black people call you money?

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Episode 277

It's like the circle of drug dealers. That's the name they gave me for some reason. So I let it be that way. That way I know that's the people that are talking to me. All right.

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Episode 277

I want to direct your attention to Florida, Georgia weekend. Do you remember that weekend? Yes. Last past. Did you have an occasion to see, I guess, a lady by the name of Melissa give her keys to LJ?

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Episode 277

Okay, do you recall what color it is?

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Episode 277

Like navy blue, but it's older, so it's a little faded.

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Okay, to your knowledge was that, did Melissa give LJ those keys on Friday? Saturday morning. Saturday morning. 4.30 a.m. 4.30 in the morning.

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Episode 277

Did you know where LJ was going?

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to pick up drugs for the black male that was in the house with Melissa.

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And did that concern you?

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Was that unusual for him not to come back?

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Very unusual because he was one of my employees and, like, never had done anything wrong, period. Okay.

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Episode 277

And was the girl, Melissa, was she getting concerned too about her car?

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She was a crackhead, so she was just driving me up the wall. All right.

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How long have you known LJ?

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Episode 277

He used to work for me. And how'd you, you met him, how? I met him when I was at, uh, truck dealer's house i went over there to pay i helped a gc get off heroin for three months and i went and paid off all his debt so that he could be my partner in my business and one of the black gentlemen there stole my vehicle so i was kind of stuck there

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Episode 277

And that's where I met LJ and he kind of explained to me what was going on there. And then he was having a crappy life and then he wanted to be involved in that. And if I could please help him. And I was like, I give you my word, buddy. I will try my hardest to help you in life. And when I leave here, I'll take you with me if you want and put you to work.

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Episode 277

And what kind of business do you have?

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Episode 277

BK Foreign. So I pretty much do complete home remodels, but my main focus is flooring.

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Episode 277

Now, at some point in time, were you so concerned that you went out with a person by the nickname of T to go look for LJ in a cab?

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Episode 277

Yeah, I spent $480 for about four hours of riding around in a cab looking for LJ everywhere he's been to, everything.

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And were you able to find him?

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Didn't find a trace of him.

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Okay. And did you ultimately, I guess, go home and go to sleep?

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Is that what happened after you got... No, I didn't want to go home because I didn't want to face my girl or the girl the car got taken from. So I went to my mom's.

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And then I had my girl brought over to my mom's. And then I was hoping the other girl would go.

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My next understanding is that you get a call from LJ on Sunday. Is that right? Mm-hmm. Is that a yes? Yes, ma'am. Okay. And what does he tell you when he calls you on Sunday?

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Episode 277

We need to meet and tell you the location. And is that the gate? On Southside and Tustin.

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Episode 277

Okay, and do you go to the gate on Southside and Tustin?

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I go there in Gator City Cab, and he's standing out front, and he tells me, Do I need to?

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Okay, he tells me that, can we pause it? No? Okay, what? Okay. He tells me that he murdered somebody and is pretty much just going to prison and there's nothing that can be done about it. And I'm saying, I said, what do you mean? You murdered somebody and your life is over and you're going to prison? He's like, I'm going to prison.

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Episode 277

Is your ex-wife dead? Am I dead? Is my fiance dead? No, right? And he's like, no. And I was like, so there are people you care about still in the world? And he said, yes. And I said, so why don't you focus on those people for now? Why are your heads running in circles?

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Episode 277

And I don't even know if you're telling me the story or not, you know, because you've been out drinking, you have your knuckles broken, you know, and why don't you just focus on right now, this moment, what do you want to do? If you're going to prison, But you're not turning yourself in. What do you want to do right now? Do you want to watch the game?

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He's like, yeah, I want to get a beer and watch the game. I was like, all right, I'll buy you a beer and watch the game.

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Was he trying to treat it at all? It looked like he had cleaned himself up really good. So the last time you saw him, he didn't have any injuries to his hand? He had a cut on his...

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hand but he did not have broken finger okay so he was scared that the dna would have gotten on the body and then he made those statements to you did you have any idea if those were true or not i didn't know if he had just gotten into a fight he didn't say that it was a woman if he had said it was a woman then i would have you know kind of reacted more you know but

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Episode 277

Just coming there, kind of looking drunk, kind of just, you know. He was just really, like, slow. Okay. You know, wasn't giving me no info. You know, the only thing he said was, I'm going to prison.

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Episode 277

So he looked like he had drank alcohol?

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Yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah. But I think he had drank alcohol after the fact. Okay. You know? And... He didn't tell me nothing about how the murder happened at that time.

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He came over and I made him two hamburgers and a drink and I walked upstairs and he was curled up in a ball sleeping.

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Did you ever learn about this case at all? I think you said you thought it was a suicide.

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So is that all the information you have? That's when I completely thought he was bullshitting. You know, because how can you make a murder look like a suicide if somebody shot at you? It made no sense.

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And so... There's gunshots involved. I don't know. That's where it just kind of clicked in my head, like maybe he's losing it.

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Well, let me ask you about the conversation that you end up having. You said a couple days after he was over your mom's house. Tell me, like, where y'all are when you have the conversation. The more detailed ones. Of your mom's house? Yes. And what does he say at that point?

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Episode 277

He says... He didn't say her. He just said... I hit, I swung the pool stick so hard, it broke in 12 pieces, and it's a $2,000 pool stick.

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Did he say why he was over there first, did he?

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Yeah, he said he was over there to pick up his son's PlayStation 3 and Xbox and games and some clothes for his son.

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He said that the lady was going to call his boss that was at the fire station, her husband. And I guess he took her cell phone is what he said. He said, I took her cell phone and I told her to get out of my way that I just wanted my stuff and told her to leave me alone that I just wanted my stuff.

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Pretty much he just goes into, I don't know whether he hit her with that pool stick, but he kind of emphasized swinging the pool stick. Okay. And then he emphasized being shot at five times. And then he said that he was waiting for the sixth shot because he knew it was a revolver.

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But when he heard the window open, he thought the lady was going out through the window. He ran in there and beat her with his hand and then stabbed her.

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Why was she shooting at you? But I didn't really want to question him because I didn't want to stop him from telling me stuff. Okay. Like, I'm interrogating him, you know?

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So, and at the same time, I didn't really believe him.

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Let's go back to what he was telling you, though. He says that, I guess, she shoots at him, he hits her, and it stabs her. Where does he say he stabbed her?

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I believe in the neck. Okay. The upper facial neck area.

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So somewhere her neck or above?

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Okay. Does he say how many times? Okay.

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Well, he just says I stabbed her.

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Okay. And then what does he say? Does he say that she was dead or does he say anything about that?

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He said the lady was saying, stop, you're killing me.

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And then what does he say happens next?

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He said he was just so out of it, he stayed there for two hours waiting on the police to get there. And then he left and then went back there two hours later because he realized he left his phone there. And then he cleaned up around there.

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Episode 277

What did he say he did to clean up?

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He just said he cleaned up. There it was again.

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And he had said that her husband always cheated on her.

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The husband cheats on her?

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Yeah. And that him and the husband had sex with some prostitute at his job about a week and a half ago. And I said, well, then he probably doesn't really care about her. And he was like, no, he cares about her.

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Episode 277

In the beginning, I made a stupid comment. I was like, was there any motive for you doing this? You know, I was trying to get a reason why you would kill somebody, you know? And he was like, no, there was no motive at all. It was just the wrong person in the wrong place at the wrong time. And they got in the way of me getting my stuff for my son and I always regret it.

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Episode 277

I was getting everything I could out of him because I'm not gonna sit there and let somebody get murdered. And even though I thought he was a good person, I'm not gonna just sit there and let somebody get murdered. Did he say he purposely did not take something? Yes, he said he purposely didn't take anything so it wouldn't look like it was him there, you know?

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Episode 277

Like, if he would have taken anything from his room, it would have looked like it was him. So, of course, he said that, you know, they were going to look at it like it was the boss that killed her or something, you know, like...

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Episode 277

I think earlier I stopped you when you were trying to say that he was concerned about his DNA being there because he had a cut.

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Yes, because he had punched holes in the wall like two days previous at my place because Luther Hines kicked the door into my house because that's a whole other story. But anyways, that's why he punched holes in the wall. And had cuts on his head. Yes. So he thought the DNA from those cuts, when he punched the lady's face, I guess was cut open.

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Episode 277

He thought that they were going to piece it together and that's how they were going to catch him.

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When I met him, he smoked Marlboro Reds. Now he smokes Marlboro Special Blind 72s. Do you smoke? I smoke Marlboro Ultralights, and he pretty much, since he hasn't had money, he's been smoking my Marlboro Ultralights, too. So those are his three brands he would be around. Okay.

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Episode 277

It's like, okay, I can use you for a day this week.

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And that's how we usually do it.

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Yeah, I know you have been.

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Well, let's go ahead and let's get to this next step here, okay?

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Episode 277

Good morning. Thank you all for coming out on a busy news day. Sunday, October 28th, 2012, about 8.32, the 3600 block of Eastbury Drive, 38-year-old Kim Marie Dorsey was found dead by her fire rescue husband. We actually received information after that.

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Episode 277

Some of that information that we received led us to a person who we had some knowledge of, a person who had in the past lived with the victim and her husband. That person is 31-year-old Lance Eugene Kirkpatrick. With that information, we actually found over the next days after we got that, a subject who was an associate of Kirkpatrick's who cooperated with investigators in this case.

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Episode 277

The cooperation he provided was substantial. It really broke our case and led us to make the arrest of Kirkpatrick for the murder of Kim Dorsey.

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Episode 277

I'm coming to you today because several days later after the beginning of that investigation, we are not a whole lot farther along than we were Sunday morning. I would like to solicit the public's help for information on this case. This case has garnered quite a bit of attention because of the fact this is a public servant's family member who was killed.

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Episode 277

The public has shown a lot of interest and support thus far. We wanted to come forward at this time asking for help. Again, we worked that scene for several days, nearly around the clock. And like I said, because of the lack of witnesses, the physical evidence, nothing has led us a whole lot farther today in identifying or linking it to a suspect than we had that Sunday morning.

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Episode 277

And again, this is a public service family member, and we want to make sure that anybody who has that information can come forward and help us. These types of crimes occur. We like to talk about them. Family members talk about them. We point to the suspect, or suspect in this case, and talk about it. Somebody knows something somewhere.

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Episode 277

How much evidence of foul play? Substantial. Can you describe some of that? I would prefer not to. Keep in mind that there's just about anybody out there who could be our suspect, and I don't want to let too much information to answer your question out.

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Episode 277

Too much information can be bad in a particular instance, but know that there are substantial indications of foul play, and obviously it's being worked as a partner.

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Episode 277

It is a gated neighborhood, so there may be some people in that actual neighborhood who we haven't spoken to. If there's relative information that anyone has regarding the activities that Kim may have had that Saturday afternoon,