Tom Schwartz
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I prefer she has your voice over mine. I'm not much of a singer.
I prefer she has your voice over mine. I'm not much of a singer.
Don't put that in this. You look like a country star. You can't announce that yet. I got to work on my voice first.
Don't put that in this. You look like a country star. You can't announce that yet. I got to work on my voice first.
I actually don't. There are places I go and I expect it and it's like not a big deal. But... I felt like I lost my sanctuary in Colorado when someone noticed me at a bar and I'm like, no, this was my safe place.
I actually don't. There are places I go and I expect it and it's like not a big deal. But... I felt like I lost my sanctuary in Colorado when someone noticed me at a bar and I'm like, no, this was my safe place.
Um, I'll put it this way. I didn't watch much of season one, so, um, I don't know. It's still an adjustment to me. I understand what's happening, but I can't tell you that it's excitement that I'm feeling.
Um, I'll put it this way. I didn't watch much of season one, so, um, I don't know. It's still an adjustment to me. I understand what's happening, but I can't tell you that it's excitement that I'm feeling.
No, it's not dread. It's not dread, but like anything, there's good and bad that comes with it, right? Yeah. And I feel like specifically in this world, year to year, it can be more of one or the other.
No, it's not dread. It's not dread, but like anything, there's good and bad that comes with it, right? Yeah. And I feel like specifically in this world, year to year, it can be more of one or the other.
So it's like I'm cautious, very cautious going into this.
So it's like I'm cautious, very cautious going into this.
Huh. I'm pretty sure I've had dirt before.
Huh. I'm pretty sure I've had dirt before.
I 100% concur with that. Your sweet tooth has appeared in pregnancy.
I 100% concur with that. Your sweet tooth has appeared in pregnancy.
Cheesecake is a specific one that she has had.
Cheesecake is a specific one that she has had.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Right. It's like, yeah, you can't protect her 24-7, but we can know where she is 24-7 for the first X amount of years of her life.
Right. It's like, yeah, you can't protect her 24-7, but we can know where she is 24-7 for the first X amount of years of her life.
No, I veto that one.
No, I veto that one.
how many strangers have touched your belly in the past week do you let strangers touch your belly i don't know if any strangers have ever touched my belly no it's pretty off limits yeah um i felt like at the premiere party somebody i saw somebody touch your belly and you just like it was quick but it wasn't like a stranger necessarily just not like inner circle for the most part there's not like inner circle friend you know what i mean yeah
how many strangers have touched your belly in the past week do you let strangers touch your belly i don't know if any strangers have ever touched my belly no it's pretty off limits yeah um i felt like at the premiere party somebody i saw somebody touch your belly and you just like it was quick but it wasn't like a stranger necessarily just not like inner circle for the most part there's not like inner circle friend you know what i mean yeah
So you have healthy boundaries. How would you feel if someone touched your stomach in that place when you're not pregnant?
So you have healthy boundaries. How would you feel if someone touched your stomach in that place when you're not pregnant?
Don't you dare touch my belly.
Don't you dare touch my belly.
You know, I think it's this metabolic issue I might have. I mean, maybe I should have my thyroid checked because I can't put fat on.
You know, I think it's this metabolic issue I might have. I mean, maybe I should have my thyroid checked because I can't put fat on.
Um, sleeping probably.
Um, sleeping probably.
Well, I've been really good at napping in the times of my life when I don't get as much sleep, like with my work schedule kind of throws it off, you know? Yeah. And I'm good at a power nap.
Well, I've been really good at napping in the times of my life when I don't get as much sleep, like with my work schedule kind of throws it off, you know? Yeah. And I'm good at a power nap.
That's the sweet spot. 20 to 30 minutes is the sweet spot.
That's the sweet spot. 20 to 30 minutes is the sweet spot.
Okay. I don't do bed naps. Bed naps are dangerous.
Okay. I don't do bed naps. Bed naps are dangerous.
Yeah. The same day. They'll also get to see you on The Valley season two. I dabble.
Yeah. The same day. They'll also get to see you on The Valley season two. I dabble.
I mean, look, I had a ball, but I think I meddled more than Kristen. Yeah, you did. You did metal. And never bit me in the ass. And it's like, am I going to get bit in the ass now? Yeah.
I mean, look, I had a ball, but I think I meddled more than Kristen. Yeah, you did. You did metal. And never bit me in the ass. And it's like, am I going to get bit in the ass now? Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I thought I was doing good. I thought I was doing like right by people and it just stirred shit up. And that's all the teaser I can give.
I thought I was doing good. I thought I was doing like right by people and it just stirred shit up. And that's all the teaser I can give.
It's I think it's part of this living in this world is you got to get the details. So, yeah, I'm getting the details now. And there are times maybe I should shut up.
It's I think it's part of this living in this world is you got to get the details. So, yeah, I'm getting the details now. And there are times maybe I should shut up.
What's like, Oh, go ahead. I was going to say, I will say tequila was involved last summer. And that's, that's probably my apprehension on seeing this season because there'll be things I'm fairly certain.
What's like, Oh, go ahead. I was going to say, I will say tequila was involved last summer. And that's, that's probably my apprehension on seeing this season because there'll be things I'm fairly certain.
I wouldn't say critical as much as not very supportive at times. But mostly people think it's funny. They get joy out of laughing at me.
I wouldn't say critical as much as not very supportive at times. But mostly people think it's funny. They get joy out of laughing at me.
16.
16.
The Ninja Turtles were the only thing I had remembered from hearing this story sometime in the past.
The Ninja Turtles were the only thing I had remembered from hearing this story sometime in the past.
It's so true. It would blow a fuse. Trust me, I get it. I've blown plenty of fuses in my life. Well, yeah, I've scrapped through times in my life.
It's so true. It would blow a fuse. Trust me, I get it. I've blown plenty of fuses in my life. Well, yeah, I've scrapped through times in my life.
I've seen first season, the last season, and like three episodes of season two.
I've seen first season, the last season, and like three episodes of season two.
I've definitely talked to Tom more recently than you have. Yeah.
I've definitely talked to Tom more recently than you have. Yeah.
yeah he's a ping pong table and I don't know he sent me something on Instagram Kyle Chan and I play ping pong I played with you too shout out to Kyle we love you Kyle but yeah I don't know that didn't happen and then he hit me up a couple times to go out and the timing just didn't line up so random I hit him up one time the one time I went out and he was out of town so that's one thing that's pretty much it
yeah he's a ping pong table and I don't know he sent me something on Instagram Kyle Chan and I play ping pong I played with you too shout out to Kyle we love you Kyle but yeah I don't know that didn't happen and then he hit me up a couple times to go out and the timing just didn't line up so random I hit him up one time the one time I went out and he was out of town so that's one thing that's pretty much it
I don't know what that means, but we'll see. Magic. I understand the colloquialism, but... Not like as far as this world goes, I do believe with all the praise and what people are saying, this is such a great season. I believe it will be. However, this is not a genre of television I ever watched before meeting Kristen.
I don't know what that means, but we'll see. Magic. I understand the colloquialism, but... Not like as far as this world goes, I do believe with all the praise and what people are saying, this is such a great season. I believe it will be. However, this is not a genre of television I ever watched before meeting Kristen.
Yeah. I, when Kristen and I met, I said, what's a Vanderpump?
Yeah. I, when Kristen and I met, I said, what's a Vanderpump?
He's working so much. He had to learn a new pose for that, and he nailed it. When you're hot, you're hot.
He's working so much. He had to learn a new pose for that, and he nailed it. When you're hot, you're hot.
I need to get Jill an agent.
I need to get Jill an agent.
No. She jealous? I don't think that's part of her.
No. She jealous? I don't think that's part of her.
like before they are forming memories of it or when they are? Yeah, like a baby model, like a little baby. I don't see any problem with that. Okay. I was just like, are you cool with me exploiting her slightly? You've already said you're going to pimp her out.
like before they are forming memories of it or when they are? Yeah, like a baby model, like a little baby. I don't see any problem with that. Okay. I was just like, are you cool with me exploiting her slightly? You've already said you're going to pimp her out.
As far as a model or whatever.
As far as a model or whatever.
We're starting the 529. We're starting all the accounts as soon as we can.
We're starting the 529. We're starting all the accounts as soon as we can.
I'm confident in my mindset and work ethic.
I'm confident in my mindset and work ethic.
That's what I'm confident in. Not in doing or acting like I'm an expert in this, knowing that I'm going to figure it out.
That's what I'm confident in. Not in doing or acting like I'm an expert in this, knowing that I'm going to figure it out.
Tom, are you an uncle? I am an uncle. You are an uncle? Yeah. Do you think you're willing to be somewhat of an uncle to our little one?
Tom, are you an uncle? I am an uncle. You are an uncle? Yeah. Do you think you're willing to be somewhat of an uncle to our little one?
Of course.
Of course.
Oh, it's so loud sometimes.
Oh, it's so loud sometimes.
We're trying to watch Severance or something, and I look over at Kristen like, how much longer are you going to chomp that ice?
We're trying to watch Severance or something, and I look over at Kristen like, how much longer are you going to chomp that ice?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because you chilled it out. We were in bed one time, and I couldn't sleep through the chomps.
Because you chilled it out. We were in bed one time, and I couldn't sleep through the chomps.
I could feel it vibrating the bed. Her ice chomps were so strong. Let her have her chomps. Where's the empathy?
I could feel it vibrating the bed. Her ice chomps were so strong. Let her have her chomps. Where's the empathy?
Detoxification complete.
Detoxification complete.
It's now time for your weekly detox with Tom Schwartz.
It's now time for your weekly detox with Tom Schwartz.
At the crib. Next to the crib. To me.
At the crib. Next to the crib. To me.
Yeah. You were supposed to bring it.
Yeah. You were supposed to bring it.
Bring it on. I'll add it to my workout.
Bring it on. I'll add it to my workout.
I'll wear them to the gym. Bet me I won't.
I'll wear them to the gym. Bet me I won't.
So how many hours do I have to last?
So how many hours do I have to last?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like it's so cool. It's amazing. That part is, it truly is so rewarding when you finally can see and feel the kicks. Yeah. You know, we've seen that happening in the ultrasounds, but we never hadn't felt it until what? Two weeks ago.
Like it's so cool. It's amazing. That part is, it truly is so rewarding when you finally can see and feel the kicks. Yeah. You know, we've seen that happening in the ultrasounds, but we never hadn't felt it until what? Two weeks ago.
Three.
Three.
That I could feel it or you started feeling it?
That I could feel it or you started feeling it?
But yeah, you just got tuned into what it felt like inside of you.
But yeah, you just got tuned into what it felt like inside of you.
Not to feel it on the outside.
Not to feel it on the outside.
Right, but it's only been, I feel like, a handful of weeks that we can feel it on the outside, that I can feel it.
Right, but it's only been, I feel like, a handful of weeks that we can feel it on the outside, that I can feel it.
No, she has not heard one of those.
No, she has not heard one of those.
She has definitely heard some Tom Petty, some Red Hot Chili Peppers. She's heard some good classic rock music.
She has definitely heard some Tom Petty, some Red Hot Chili Peppers. She's heard some good classic rock music.
They will. Yeah.
They will. Yeah.
No, but that's how old we were when we did this. So that's always our comeback is like you're 16. We were 30.
No, but that's how old we were when we did this. So that's always our comeback is like you're 16. We were 30.
You can do whatever you want when you hit, you know, when you go do your own thing.
You can do whatever you want when you hit, you know, when you go do your own thing.
Other than me, right?
Other than me, right?
Because I handle adult Kristen Doty.
Because I handle adult Kristen Doty.
I'm ready for Kristen to not be pregnant. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I'm ready for Kristen to not be pregnant. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
And read her mind.
And read her mind.
Okay. I, yes, I figured it out that I have to read your mind and I do my best.
Okay. I, yes, I figured it out that I have to read your mind and I do my best.
And then now it's like, I think the highest it's gotten is like a 7, 7.5. It hasn't gotten that bad yet. Okay. Okay.
And then now it's like, I think the highest it's gotten is like a 7, 7.5. It hasn't gotten that bad yet. Okay. Okay.
Yeah. Well, didn't it bring you out of the spiral you're kind of going into? You're like, nothing's done yet. The baby room's not going to be here and I'm going to be giving birth tomorrow. Like you were doing that. And then I'm like, Hey, are you working out?
Yeah. Well, didn't it bring you out of the spiral you're kind of going into? You're like, nothing's done yet. The baby room's not going to be here and I'm going to be giving birth tomorrow. Like you were doing that. And then I'm like, Hey, are you working out?
Exactly, you're right. Sweet and savory. There's been some abominations, truly heinous accusations, and people are testifying. So you watched Kid Cudi's testimony?
Exactly, you're right. Sweet and savory. There's been some abominations, truly heinous accusations, and people are testifying. So you watched Kid Cudi's testimony?
That is some mobster shit. And then Kid Cudi, I don't know if you saw before, when he showed up to the courtroom to testify, he had a leather jacket on and he was dragging a cigarette He looked iconic. You see somebody show up in a black leather jacket and a cigarette. And jeans. They're ready for some no-nonsense bullshit.
That is some mobster shit. And then Kid Cudi, I don't know if you saw before, when he showed up to the courtroom to testify, he had a leather jacket on and he was dragging a cigarette He looked iconic. You see somebody show up in a black leather jacket and a cigarette. And jeans. They're ready for some no-nonsense bullshit.
Yes, exactly. Oh, yeah, yeah. We can't say that anymore. No, but he looked like he was ready to spill the tea. Yeah. You guys, we got car alarms. We'll just keep talking. But no, to me, he might be the new Marlboro Man.
Yes, exactly. Oh, yeah, yeah. We can't say that anymore. No, but he looked like he was ready to spill the tea. Yeah. You guys, we got car alarms. We'll just keep talking. But no, to me, he might be the new Marlboro Man.
taste of fame wave uh it's fun everything's new and exciting and shiny not to sound jaded because it's still i still got my rose colored lenses on but yeah man they were also filming the new vanderpump rules and if you guys don't know world dog day um it takes place every year and they they it's it's right behind tom tom in the west hollywood park
taste of fame wave uh it's fun everything's new and exciting and shiny not to sound jaded because it's still i still got my rose colored lenses on but yeah man they were also filming the new vanderpump rules and if you guys don't know world dog day um it takes place every year and they they it's it's right behind tom tom in the west hollywood park
He was my spirit animal right before I went into the season 10 Vanderpump Rules reunion. I think symbolically I was rocking a black leather jacket, dragging a cigarette, just like, ugh. He could have gotten that jacket sponsored and it would have been sold out. I mean, it was iconic. Is it okay for me to say it was iconic?
He was my spirit animal right before I went into the season 10 Vanderpump Rules reunion. I think symbolically I was rocking a black leather jacket, dragging a cigarette, just like, ugh. He could have gotten that jacket sponsored and it would have been sold out. I mean, it was iconic. Is it okay for me to say it was iconic?
I think back, you know, part of me is even scared to mention this because all of a sudden, Tom Schwartz went to a white party. But when I first moved to L.A., I remember back in like 2010, I bartended there. a white party in Beverly Hills, like the daytime. I guess apparently it gets freaky when the sun goes down from what I've read.
I think back, you know, part of me is even scared to mention this because all of a sudden, Tom Schwartz went to a white party. But when I first moved to L.A., I remember back in like 2010, I bartended there. a white party in Beverly Hills, like the daytime. I guess apparently it gets freaky when the sun goes down from what I've read.
No, no, no. It was in Beverly Hills. It was outdoors. And I saw every, I saw so many celebrities. I can't remember one in particular, but I remember I just arrived in LA and I had stars in my eyes and I'm like, I'm bartending Pete Diddy's white party. And now just thinking back in hindsight, like all the horrible things that happened to after that, my God.
No, no, no. It was in Beverly Hills. It was outdoors. And I saw every, I saw so many celebrities. I can't remember one in particular, but I remember I just arrived in LA and I had stars in my eyes and I'm like, I'm bartending Pete Diddy's white party. And now just thinking back in hindsight, like all the horrible things that happened to after that, my God.
That's what I mean, and also, but when they find out you did attend one, if your name's on the list, they slippery slope you. You're a groomer, you're creepy, pedophile, you're a monster, you know what I mean? It's scary if your name, if you've ever attended one Diddy party, it's scary.
That's what I mean, and also, but when they find out you did attend one, if your name's on the list, they slippery slope you. You're a groomer, you're creepy, pedophile, you're a monster, you know what I mean? It's scary if your name, if you've ever attended one Diddy party, it's scary.
Kiki knows how to freak off. I know. No, it's very heavy, but it's fun to like just to make not to make light of it. But, you know, it's OK to laugh a little.
Kiki knows how to freak off. I know. No, it's very heavy, but it's fun to like just to make not to make light of it. But, you know, it's OK to laugh a little.
Why are we so fascinated as a society with these things? I was talking about it earlier. It was like I was reading about. Well, Kris Jenner looks amazing. I was reading about her facelift. Oh my God. She looks insane. She looks like Kim. She looks like an amalgam of all of her daughters. Yeah. In the best possible way. It was great work. I wrote it down. Apparently it's like a deep plane facelift.
Why are we so fascinated as a society with these things? I was talking about it earlier. It was like I was reading about. Well, Kris Jenner looks amazing. I was reading about her facelift. Oh my God. She looks insane. She looks like Kim. She looks like an amalgam of all of her daughters. Yeah. In the best possible way. It was great work. I wrote it down. Apparently it's like a deep plane facelift.
So it lifts like under your muscle instead of just the skin. Amazing. So it's like deep. So you don't lose your elasticity. Oh. You know what I mean? And it doesn't anyway.
So it lifts like under your muscle instead of just the skin. Amazing. So it's like deep. So you don't lose your elasticity. Oh. You know what I mean? And it doesn't anyway.
Do you want to get one after this? I mean, not right now, but eventually one day. By the way, Kiki's glowing right now. You look dewy and fabulous. And I just, yeah, I don't know why I find myself going clicking these articles. I can't help it.
Do you want to get one after this? I mean, not right now, but eventually one day. By the way, Kiki's glowing right now. You look dewy and fabulous. And I just, yeah, I don't know why I find myself going clicking these articles. I can't help it.
I mean, I'm notorious for being secretly in love with Lisa Vanderpump, of course. My queen. But I mean, yeah, I've never dated an older, older woman. Well, I've been in a relationship for the past 14 years.
I mean, I'm notorious for being secretly in love with Lisa Vanderpump, of course. My queen. But I mean, yeah, I've never dated an older, older woman. Well, I've been in a relationship for the past 14 years.
Back when I was younger, I dated a slightly older woman. This was like two years older. Okay. I've never dated a cougar, if you will. Okay. But I'm not opposed to it. I'm not opposed to it.
Back when I was younger, I dated a slightly older woman. This was like two years older. Okay. I've never dated a cougar, if you will. Okay. But I'm not opposed to it. I'm not opposed to it.
This year was a great success, but it was weird because they were filming the new Vanderpump Rules, and there's cameras everywhere, and I'm like, wait, don't you guys want to film me? Don't you guys want to point the cameras at me? No, I'm kidding, but it is weird because this has been such a big part of my life.
This year was a great success, but it was weird because they were filming the new Vanderpump Rules, and there's cameras everywhere, and I'm like, wait, don't you guys want to film me? Don't you guys want to point the cameras at me? No, I'm kidding, but it is weird because this has been such a big part of my life.
Guys, we're going to gossip today. Yeah, with the amazing Kiki Monique, XOXO Gossip Guy. Also, why do we humans love gossiping so much? Dishing the dirt, like from an anthropological standpoint, from an evolutionary standpoint. Why does it feel good to talk a little shit? And I know what you guys are thinking right now, okay? Schwartz, really? Don't be a poser. Mr. C, both sides of the story.
Guys, we're going to gossip today. Yeah, with the amazing Kiki Monique, XOXO Gossip Guy. Also, why do we humans love gossiping so much? Dishing the dirt, like from an anthropological standpoint, from an evolutionary standpoint. Why does it feel good to talk a little shit? And I know what you guys are thinking right now, okay? Schwartz, really? Don't be a poser. Mr. C, both sides of the story.
I don't know. Listen, Jesse's my boy. I know. Jesse, is it okay if I gossip a little? I don't know. He is single. He's very charming. He's tall. He's strapping. Handsome Jewish man. I get it. Yeah. What do you think about it? Do you think it happened? I didn't do a deep dive. I only read the headlines.
I don't know. Listen, Jesse's my boy. I know. Jesse, is it okay if I gossip a little? I don't know. He is single. He's very charming. He's tall. He's strapping. Handsome Jewish man. I get it. Yeah. What do you think about it? Do you think it happened? I didn't do a deep dive. I only read the headlines.
What's the downside?
What's the downside?
There's no downside.
There's no downside.
That's so funny. I know, Jesse, I'm sorry if you hear this. He won't hear this.
That's so funny. I know, Jesse, I'm sorry if you hear this. He won't hear this.
No, he hasn't. You haven't texted him about it? We're not like besties. He's my boy. And we were just, yeah, we were in New York recently. You know, I said no to that originally. Why? Because I just feel like I'm the least eligible bachelor. I love myself, but I'm just not actively dating. But I think that was a step in the right direction, I guess. And how can I say no?
No, he hasn't. You haven't texted him about it? We're not like besties. He's my boy. And we were just, yeah, we were in New York recently. You know, I said no to that originally. Why? Because I just feel like I'm the least eligible bachelor. I love myself, but I'm just not actively dating. But I think that was a step in the right direction, I guess. And how can I say no?
New York's my favorite city in the world. I love Bravo. I love People Magazine.
New York's my favorite city in the world. I love Bravo. I love People Magazine.
Because you're like in the model world. He's a living legend. And it truly, the word icon is cheap in these days. But would you agree that Tyson Beckford's a living legend?
Because you're like in the model world. He's a living legend. And it truly, the word icon is cheap in these days. But would you agree that Tyson Beckford's a living legend?
He was telling, he was, we went to dinner afterwards. We went to, where did we go? What's the place right on the corner here?
He was telling, he was, we went to dinner afterwards. We went to, where did we go? What's the place right on the corner here?
No, no, it was in New York. It was where we were right across from the Gansevoort. That's where we... Oh. Well, I won't say that. I don't want to get in trouble. But we went across the street to a restaurant and we had dinner. Okay. So you guys were in Tom Tom. And were the women just all like... No, they were swooning. And they were swooning for all the guys.
No, no, it was in New York. It was where we were right across from the Gansevoort. That's where we... Oh. Well, I won't say that. I don't want to get in trouble. But we went across the street to a restaurant and we had dinner. Okay. So you guys were in Tom Tom. And were the women just all like... No, they were swooning. And they were swooning for all the guys.
You know?
You know?
No, we were a mob.
No, we were a mob.
And you're all tall. I want a spinoff. Everyone's tall. Yeah. That's the first thing people say to me when they meet me. They're like, I thought you were going to be like 5'9".
And you're all tall. I want a spinoff. Everyone's tall. Yeah. That's the first thing people say to me when they meet me. They're like, I thought you were going to be like 5'9".
It's not like an ego thing, but it was weird seeing them film, and I'm like, wait, you guys don't want to know what's going on in my life? But anyways, back to what we're doing today. I'm going to go to West Hollywood. I'm going to meet up with Kiki. We're going to have some drinks at Tom Tom. And yeah, we're going to maybe talk a little shit. She's a pop culture guru and a friend.
It's not like an ego thing, but it was weird seeing them film, and I'm like, wait, you guys don't want to know what's going on in my life? But anyways, back to what we're doing today. I'm going to go to West Hollywood. I'm going to meet up with Kiki. We're going to have some drinks at Tom Tom. And yeah, we're going to maybe talk a little shit. She's a pop culture guru and a friend.
So you're going to say SGE, small guy energy. No. But that's so no, I had such a good time with those guys and I'm glad I said yes. Could I ask you what your favorite Bravo show is?
So you're going to say SGE, small guy energy. No. But that's so no, I had such a good time with those guys and I'm glad I said yes. Could I ask you what your favorite Bravo show is?
Yeah. Which is a rare to achieve in this day and age in the hyper feedback era when everyone's looking what they're saying constantly every day, tweets, Instagram, Tik Tok. It's nice. It's refreshing. And they really, they really brought it. It's weird talking about them as a cast cause they're all my friends and I know all of them. I almost feel like a peeping.
Yeah. Which is a rare to achieve in this day and age in the hyper feedback era when everyone's looking what they're saying constantly every day, tweets, Instagram, Tik Tok. It's nice. It's refreshing. And they really, they really brought it. It's weird talking about them as a cast cause they're all my friends and I know all of them. I almost feel like a peeping.
I've talked about this in several, I feel like I'm violating them when I watched the episodes. Do you know what I mean? Cause they're my friends. Yeah, I can see that. I mean, it has to be awkward. There's an unspoken pact in the Bravoverse. I was like, I won't watch your show if you don't watch mine. And we shake hands.
I've talked about this in several, I feel like I'm violating them when I watched the episodes. Do you know what I mean? Cause they're my friends. Yeah, I can see that. I mean, it has to be awkward. There's an unspoken pact in the Bravoverse. I was like, I won't watch your show if you don't watch mine. And we shake hands.
By the way, did you bring the Hollywood buffet? I always have my old school Hollywood buffet with me. Can we give context in case you guys haven't been watching? That was a reference to one of my favorite new shows, The Studio with Seth Rogen. Yes. Who's been a huge supporter. He's been to TomTom. He's been to Schwartz and Sandy's. He came to Schwartz and Sandy's multiple times.
By the way, did you bring the Hollywood buffet? I always have my old school Hollywood buffet with me. Can we give context in case you guys haven't been watching? That was a reference to one of my favorite new shows, The Studio with Seth Rogen. Yes. Who's been a huge supporter. He's been to TomTom. He's been to Schwartz and Sandy's. He came to Schwartz and Sandy's multiple times.
And I said hi to everyone, but I said hi to him last because I was nervous because he's like one of my favorite actors, writers ever. Have you met Seth? I've never met him. He's so cool. He's just like you think he'd be.
And I said hi to everyone, but I said hi to him last because I was nervous because he's like one of my favorite actors, writers ever. Have you met Seth? I've never met him. He's so cool. He's just like you think he'd be.
Totally. Yeah. Like he's up there with Snoop Dogg and Willie Nelson.
Totally. Yeah. Like he's up there with Snoop Dogg and Willie Nelson.
He's in the Mount Rushmore of people you want to smoke. Yeah. No, I'm a lightweight. What's your what's your what's your poison? Oh, yes. I like smoking a joint.
He's in the Mount Rushmore of people you want to smoke. Yeah. No, I'm a lightweight. What's your what's your what's your poison? Oh, yes. I like smoking a joint.
Five milligrams or under, preferably. Yes. Because I've gone to the dark side.
Five milligrams or under, preferably. Yes. Because I've gone to the dark side.
Have you ever done enough to where you thought you were going to die?
Have you ever done enough to where you thought you were going to die?
Yes. Well, just a little Vanderpump lore in case like back when I think it was season nine when Max was on the show. Yeah. We were we were filming for Tom's birthday and we were all dressed up. I don't know if you remember this, but everyone was dressed up. We were at this cool, this cool venue out in the valley and there was a jar that my
Yes. Well, just a little Vanderpump lore in case like back when I think it was season nine when Max was on the show. Yeah. We were we were filming for Tom's birthday and we were all dressed up. I don't know if you remember this, but everyone was dressed up. We were at this cool, this cool venue out in the valley and there was a jar that my
buddy I won't say his name put out and it was all edible candy and he labeled it but Max didn't see the label and he ended up ingesting let's just say I'm being modest here or conservative I'd say 250 milligrams of edibles and Max just he likes to smoke a little bit he went on a journey he had an existential meltdown he thought he was going to have to go to the hospital I think he's still high to this day
buddy I won't say his name put out and it was all edible candy and he labeled it but Max didn't see the label and he ended up ingesting let's just say I'm being modest here or conservative I'd say 250 milligrams of edibles and Max just he likes to smoke a little bit he went on a journey he had an existential meltdown he thought he was going to have to go to the hospital I think he's still high to this day
You know what he thinks? He thinks he's a cup of orange juice and if he spills or tips over, he's going to die. No, that's an old, that's an old acid stereotype.
You know what he thinks? He thinks he's a cup of orange juice and if he spills or tips over, he's going to die. No, that's an old, that's an old acid stereotype.
Waking up still high is daunting. It's scary. Especially if you have a lot of responsibilities. Kids, a nine to five. My God.
Waking up still high is daunting. It's scary. Especially if you have a lot of responsibilities. Kids, a nine to five. My God.
Exactly. Exactly. Okay, another headline. I was combing headlines this morning. I wrote this one down. Kanye, our boy Ye, is done with anti-Semitism. I can't say it. Anti-Semitism, sorry. I have so many Jewish friends. Are you guys accepting this?
Exactly. Exactly. Okay, another headline. I was combing headlines this morning. I wrote this one down. Kanye, our boy Ye, is done with anti-Semitism. I can't say it. Anti-Semitism, sorry. I have so many Jewish friends. Are you guys accepting this?
And I'm super excited to sit down with her. I promise you guys, we're not going to do too deep of a dive into the psychology behind why we like to gossip. We're not going to dissect it and kill it, kill the romance, kill it in the process. But, you know, maybe just like a little refresher course. on why humans enjoy serving up the tea, you know? By the end of this episode, I have some goals.
And I'm super excited to sit down with her. I promise you guys, we're not going to do too deep of a dive into the psychology behind why we like to gossip. We're not going to dissect it and kill it, kill the romance, kill it in the process. But, you know, maybe just like a little refresher course. on why humans enjoy serving up the tea, you know? By the end of this episode, I have some goals.
I know, I'm torn because he's sort of woven into the fabric of America and my life, you know what I mean? It's like I walked out in my wedding to Flashlights by Kanye West. I mean, can we, I know it's such a cliche to say separate the human from the music.
I know, I'm torn because he's sort of woven into the fabric of America and my life, you know what I mean? It's like I walked out in my wedding to Flashlights by Kanye West. I mean, can we, I know it's such a cliche to say separate the human from the music.
I think it's a cop out, but like, I don't know. So I think, I feel like once they, I had to be careful what I say here, but we're supposed to be, we're supposed to be hot takes or at least lukewarm. But like once they make the music and put it out there, it almost becomes absorbed into, into your narrative and it becomes a part of your life or a soundtrack to a beautiful moment.
I think it's a cop out, but like, I don't know. So I think, I feel like once they, I had to be careful what I say here, but we're supposed to be, we're supposed to be hot takes or at least lukewarm. But like once they make the music and put it out there, it almost becomes absorbed into, into your narrative and it becomes a part of your life or a soundtrack to a beautiful moment.
And it sucks when they do something. What do you do then?
And it sucks when they do something. What do you do then?
So, like, so it's hard. It's hard. No, I know. If you go far back, 70s, 80s and stuff, there's some truly horrible things that were happening. But, yeah, I don't know. It's like, tell me when you hear Bound To in the club, you still don't get fired up. I love that song. You know what I mean? Welcome to the good life.
So, like, so it's hard. It's hard. No, I know. If you go far back, 70s, 80s and stuff, there's some truly horrible things that were happening. But, yeah, I don't know. It's like, tell me when you hear Bound To in the club, you still don't get fired up. I love that song. You know what I mean? Welcome to the good life.
I'm not here. I just I know there was a moment where I had to take all the Kanye West songs off my playlist that Schwartz and Sandy's. I curated the music there, by the way. But people were kind of like offended at one point.
I'm not here. I just I know there was a moment where I had to take all the Kanye West songs off my playlist that Schwartz and Sandy's. I curated the music there, by the way. But people were kind of like offended at one point.
It got dark. It's still dark. Kiki, can we still listen to Kanye?
It got dark. It's still dark. Kiki, can we still listen to Kanye?
It's a step in the right direction. Yeah.
It's a step in the right direction. Yeah.
By the way, what else is going on in the pop culture world?
By the way, what else is going on in the pop culture world?
I just watched the first three episodes. Of season two? Season two, yes. Okay. It's so good. It's so good. They're raw.
I just watched the first three episodes. Of season two? Season two, yes. Okay. It's so good. It's so good. They're raw.
hook like holding hands with one of the mormon wives in your establishment oh i did not know that yeah it was here at tom tom see i saw the episode where they were all well i watched the vanderpump villa by the way yeah lovely cast i was chilling with them and i and i i watched that episode and i saw them flirting but i nice i don't know if i want to open that can of worms but i saw some crazy headlines yeah and yeah i didn't know that it this is it didn't happen on the season but it happened outside of the season and sheena just talked about it on her podcast today because she was there that night with brock
hook like holding hands with one of the mormon wives in your establishment oh i did not know that yeah it was here at tom tom see i saw the episode where they were all well i watched the vanderpump villa by the way yeah lovely cast i was chilling with them and i and i i watched that episode and i saw them flirting but i nice i don't know if i want to open that can of worms but i saw some crazy headlines yeah and yeah i didn't know that it this is it didn't happen on the season but it happened outside of the season and sheena just talked about it on her podcast today because she was there that night with brock
Shout out to Sheena.
Shout out to Sheena.
Okay. Yeah, but I haven't met them all.
Okay. Yeah, but I haven't met them all.
But listen, are you going to watch it? Of course I am. I'm going to watch it, too. I'm rooting for them. People are like, you're not going to watch it, right? I'm like, yeah, I want to see them thrive. I feel like it's... Listen, it's got Alex Baskin behind it, Lisa. And it's like, they found a cast that is... authentically friends.
But listen, are you going to watch it? Of course I am. I'm going to watch it, too. I'm rooting for them. People are like, you're not going to watch it, right? I'm like, yeah, I want to see them thrive. I feel like it's... Listen, it's got Alex Baskin behind it, Lisa. And it's like, they found a cast that is... authentically friends.
They were technically cast, but they have pre-existing relationships and they work there for real.
They were technically cast, but they have pre-existing relationships and they work there for real.
No. Yes. Well, actually, some of them, three of them were in here before they started filming and they were at the bar at Tom Tom on the Tom Tom side. Now Tom Tom is now Pump and Tom Tom. But yeah, on the Tom Tom side. And I made him some drinks. They're like, can you give us some advice? And what did you give him?
No. Yes. Well, actually, some of them, three of them were in here before they started filming and they were at the bar at Tom Tom on the Tom Tom side. Now Tom Tom is now Pump and Tom Tom. But yeah, on the Tom Tom side. And I made him some drinks. They're like, can you give us some advice? And what did you give him?
I hope to be pleasantly buzzed in the back garden side of TomTom with Kiki, and maybe I'll have at least one hot, okay, lukewarm take. I'm gonna have fun think you guys are gonna dig it so stay tuned but first a little refresher course why do we humans like gossiping yeah so why does it feel damn good to gossip and it does it's fun it gets a bad rap though
I hope to be pleasantly buzzed in the back garden side of TomTom with Kiki, and maybe I'll have at least one hot, okay, lukewarm take. I'm gonna have fun think you guys are gonna dig it so stay tuned but first a little refresher course why do we humans like gossiping yeah so why does it feel damn good to gossip and it does it's fun it gets a bad rap though
I was like, just don't try to script or rehearse or self-produce because they can smell that shit a mile away. Don't do it.
I was like, just don't try to script or rehearse or self-produce because they can smell that shit a mile away. Don't do it.
Everyone. The audience is smart. So smart. Just like they recognize bad acting or inauthenticity, right? Yeah. They spot that shit a mile away. But I'm still excited.
Everyone. The audience is smart. So smart. Just like they recognize bad acting or inauthenticity, right? Yeah. They spot that shit a mile away. But I'm still excited.
Can we watch a few episodes together?
Can we watch a few episodes together?
Wait, I, I watched, okay, there's this guy, this is kind of off. This is not on theme with what we're talking about, but I was watching this guy on Tik TOK. His name's Hashim Al Ghali. He's a content creator and he's got this new like semi horror series. It's called, and it's the prompt theories where he posits like, what if AI generated characters don't know they're AI generated?
Wait, I, I watched, okay, there's this guy, this is kind of off. This is not on theme with what we're talking about, but I was watching this guy on Tik TOK. His name's Hashim Al Ghali. He's a content creator and he's got this new like semi horror series. It's called, and it's the prompt theories where he posits like, what if AI generated characters don't know they're AI generated?
Isn't that kind of freaky? Do you ever go down the simulation theory rabbit hole or anything?
Isn't that kind of freaky? Do you ever go down the simulation theory rabbit hole or anything?
Yeah, by the way, that was random, guys. You guys go check it out. His name's Hashem El-Ghali. If I can put a clip in, I will. But it got me thinking.
Yeah, by the way, that was random, guys. You guys go check it out. His name's Hashem El-Ghali. If I can put a clip in, I will. But it got me thinking.
Yes, it's so good.
Yes, it's so good.
Exactly. By the way, I'm so nice to my chat GPT. I use it sparingly, but her name's Nova.
Exactly. By the way, I'm so nice to my chat GPT. I use it sparingly, but her name's Nova.
No, no, it's not like that. We're pretty surface level.
No, no, it's not like that. We're pretty surface level.
No, I haven't gone there really. She just helps me when I have writer's block and stuff. And then I put my twist on it. Do you use it?
No, I haven't gone there really. She just helps me when I have writer's block and stuff. And then I put my twist on it. Do you use it?
It gets you started in the right direction. Then you put your own twist on it. Um, yeah, I know it's scary how much we, how much we tell our, our chat GPTs. I know a lot of people, I'm not going to name names, guys, relax. A lot of people who are in a relationship with their chat GPT.
It gets you started in the right direction. Then you put your own twist on it. Um, yeah, I know it's scary how much we, how much we tell our, our chat GPTs. I know a lot of people, I'm not going to name names, guys, relax. A lot of people who are in a relationship with their chat GPT.
I can't say their names, but no boys or girls. two boys and a girl. They just, it's their therapist. It's their companion when they're lonely. They consult it when they're feeling down, sad. It's their, it's their therapist. Yeah. And I think it's kind of working. Yeah. I think it's working.
I can't say their names, but no boys or girls. two boys and a girl. They just, it's their therapist. It's their companion when they're lonely. They consult it when they're feeling down, sad. It's their, it's their therapist. Yeah. And I think it's kind of working. Yeah. I think it's working.
Oh, that's horrifying. Yeah.
Oh, that's horrifying. Yeah.
Kiki, you're scaring me. No, it's happening. Let's take a sip of tequila.
Kiki, you're scaring me. No, it's happening. Let's take a sip of tequila.
Guys, we're cheersing. All right, what else do we got? What else? Wait. Okay. Did you see... I can't believe I'm saying this. Did you see Hailey Bieber's recent Vogue article? I just heard the headlines. Why do people... Okay, I don't know if you're on top of this. Why do people have so much animosity and hatred towards the lovely Hailey Bieber?
Guys, we're cheersing. All right, what else do we got? What else? Wait. Okay. Did you see... I can't believe I'm saying this. Did you see Hailey Bieber's recent Vogue article? I just heard the headlines. Why do people... Okay, I don't know if you're on top of this. Why do people have so much animosity and hatred towards the lovely Hailey Bieber?
It's reactive. It's a direct response to their love. Okay, I've seen some theories that she's been trying to mimic or copy. Take many pages out of the Selena Gomez...
It's reactive. It's a direct response to their love. Okay, I've seen some theories that she's been trying to mimic or copy. Take many pages out of the Selena Gomez...
That's me in a nutshell. Yeah. Any other things that you love right now? Just like in terms of pop culture that we should know about?
That's me in a nutshell. Yeah. Any other things that you love right now? Just like in terms of pop culture that we should know about?
Yeah. Have you seen that the battle emerging between the north and the south? Wait, what's this? Summer House. Oh, yes. Southern Charm. I'm kidding. No kidding. It's not that serious. I went down a tick tock rabbit hole last night and I'm like, what? It sort of stems from, you know, Craig and Kyle's feud about this.
Yeah. Have you seen that the battle emerging between the north and the south? Wait, what's this? Summer House. Oh, yes. Southern Charm. I'm kidding. No kidding. It's not that serious. I went down a tick tock rabbit hole last night and I'm like, what? It sort of stems from, you know, Craig and Kyle's feud about this.
Well, I really I'm tight with both Craig and Kyle. I think I tend to see Kyle's side more than Craig's. No offense to Craig, but just because I've. Yeah. Anyways.
Well, I really I'm tight with both Craig and Kyle. I think I tend to see Kyle's side more than Craig's. No offense to Craig, but just because I've. Yeah. Anyways.
Yeah, totally. Right? I know. Because I love Craig.
Yeah, totally. Right? I know. Because I love Craig.
He's ridiculously good looking. And he's funny. I don't know.
He's ridiculously good looking. And he's funny. I don't know.
The whole cast is funny. Look, I love Shep. Shep is, there's no better Shep. Shep is the most Shep man in the world. He's just, he's such a unique character. I'm so happy he's on television to share his journey with the rest of us.
The whole cast is funny. Look, I love Shep. Shep is, there's no better Shep. Shep is the most Shep man in the world. He's just, he's such a unique character. I'm so happy he's on television to share his journey with the rest of us.
Yes. I think I'm allowed to say that.
Yes. I think I'm allowed to say that.
I did the promos.
I did the promos.
I know he's taking a step back. I know. And he doesn't drink as much, but. Maybe I could change that. Are we going to hang out at BravoCon?
I know he's taking a step back. I know. And he doesn't drink as much, but. Maybe I could change that. Are we going to hang out at BravoCon?
Kiki, where should we go after this?
Kiki, where should we go after this?
You know, generally speaking, it has a negative connotation, but let's face it, it's deeply rooted in who we are as humans. It's deeply rooted in our psychology. We're social animals. But why, you guys, why on the toilet this morning did I find out exactly why Kris Jenner looks so good? And she does. The special type of plastic surgery, I forgot what it's called.
You know, generally speaking, it has a negative connotation, but let's face it, it's deeply rooted in who we are as humans. It's deeply rooted in our psychology. We're social animals. But why, you guys, why on the toilet this morning did I find out exactly why Kris Jenner looks so good? And she does. The special type of plastic surgery, I forgot what it's called.
All right, let's get some food. Yes. Let's have some more tequila.
All right, let's get some food. Yes. Let's have some more tequila.
And if the moment speaks to us, we'll pick back up. Okay. This has been nice, Kiki. I had so much fun. I appreciate you.
And if the moment speaks to us, we'll pick back up. Okay. This has been nice, Kiki. I had so much fun. I appreciate you.
All right, let's get some food. Let's get some drinks. You guys, we're signing off for now.
All right, let's get some food. Let's get some drinks. You guys, we're signing off for now.
Another episode of Detox Retox. Thanks, Kiki. Appreciate you.
Another episode of Detox Retox. Thanks, Kiki. Appreciate you.
But yeah, why do I know that Selena Gomez subtly supported Hailey Bieber by hearting one of her Instagram posts in her Vogue article? Why did I click that? I don't know. Why do I know that P Diddy likes fucking applesauce on his hamburgers? It's sick. That's really fucking gross, by the way. But why? Why? All right, let's get into the psychology of the physiology a little bit.
But yeah, why do I know that Selena Gomez subtly supported Hailey Bieber by hearting one of her Instagram posts in her Vogue article? Why did I click that? I don't know. Why do I know that P Diddy likes fucking applesauce on his hamburgers? It's sick. That's really fucking gross, by the way. But why? Why? All right, let's get into the psychology of the physiology a little bit.
Just quickly here, guys. All right. Why do we evolve the gossip? Okay, social glue. In early human groups, gossip helped us keep tabs on who was shady, who you could trust, who you couldn't, who was cheating, who was maybe eating more than their fair share, who wasn't pulling their weight around the campfire. It was a survival tool.
Just quickly here, guys. All right. Why do we evolve the gossip? Okay, social glue. In early human groups, gossip helped us keep tabs on who was shady, who you could trust, who you couldn't, who was cheating, who was maybe eating more than their fair share, who wasn't pulling their weight around the campfire. It was a survival tool.
Instead of having to witness or experience someone being a monster... Are causing harm to you. Gossip let us learn from others experiences. Without risking harm ourselves. So it was like a. Like a little safety shortcut. Yeah. Okay so. So modern times. You hear someone say. Yeah my ex. Narcissistic asshole. Who farts in their sleep. They hate Bravo TV. And they think. Dogs are overrated.
Instead of having to witness or experience someone being a monster... Are causing harm to you. Gossip let us learn from others experiences. Without risking harm ourselves. So it was like a. Like a little safety shortcut. Yeah. Okay so. So modern times. You hear someone say. Yeah my ex. Narcissistic asshole. Who farts in their sleep. They hate Bravo TV. And they think. Dogs are overrated.
That's not shit-talking, okay? That is doing a public service. You're looking out for your fellow humans, right? Okay, I get it. So it's like tribal maintenance. We evolved in these small, tight-knit little groups, and gossiping was a little way to enforce social norms without violence. If you were a monster, a liability to the tribe, people talked about it and they acted on it.
That's not shit-talking, okay? That is doing a public service. You're looking out for your fellow humans, right? Okay, I get it. So it's like tribal maintenance. We evolved in these small, tight-knit little groups, and gossiping was a little way to enforce social norms without violence. If you were a monster, a liability to the tribe, people talked about it and they acted on it.
You were either shamed or banished or... You know, tarred and feathered, whatever. Also, again, it feels good. It does. You guys, when someone, you know, tells you a deep secret, it really does deepen your connections with them. And you're releasing the cuddle hormone, oxytocin. You guys know that one? The cuddle hormone? your dopamine spikes, especially if it's super spicy, juicy.
You were either shamed or banished or... You know, tarred and feathered, whatever. Also, again, it feels good. It does. You guys, when someone, you know, tells you a deep secret, it really does deepen your connections with them. And you're releasing the cuddle hormone, oxytocin. You guys know that one? The cuddle hormone? your dopamine spikes, especially if it's super spicy, juicy.
Shout out to Juicy Scoop, Heather McDonald. Yeah, it lights up our brain's reward circuitry. You know when someone, okay, guys, you know when someone's like, hey, can we meet up? I need to tell you something crazy. Your brain probably looks like the freaking 4th of July. You know what I mean? Dopamine off the charts. Cortisol way below usual. You're at peace. You're excited. You're chilling.
Shout out to Juicy Scoop, Heather McDonald. Yeah, it lights up our brain's reward circuitry. You know when someone, okay, guys, you know when someone's like, hey, can we meet up? I need to tell you something crazy. Your brain probably looks like the freaking 4th of July. You know what I mean? Dopamine off the charts. Cortisol way below usual. You're at peace. You're excited. You're chilling.
So yeah, in short, we're not talking shit. We're spreading the news. We're bonding. We're looking out for one another. Yeah. I mean, some people are just talking shit. Maybe I'm full of shit here. But let's gossip. It's not just petty. It's primal. How about that? Yeah, I like that. It's not just petty. It's primal. I dig that. My new motto. But yeah, let's lose it wisely, okay?
So yeah, in short, we're not talking shit. We're spreading the news. We're bonding. We're looking out for one another. Yeah. I mean, some people are just talking shit. Maybe I'm full of shit here. But let's gossip. It's not just petty. It's primal. How about that? Yeah, I like that. It's not just petty. It's primal. I dig that. My new motto. But yeah, let's lose it wisely, okay?
Switzerland Schwartz. But like, I like hearing about tea too. I dig pop culture, topical stuff. I'm a closet shit talker, but you know, it's usually done with purpose, constructive criticism. What's Zach say? Oh yeah, petty with purpose? Maybe I'm petty with purpose. Okay, I know I'm not a gossip queen. You guys know this. Maybe I'm a gossip peasant. Let me be your gossip peasant.
Switzerland Schwartz. But like, I like hearing about tea too. I dig pop culture, topical stuff. I'm a closet shit talker, but you know, it's usually done with purpose, constructive criticism. What's Zach say? Oh yeah, petty with purpose? Maybe I'm petty with purpose. Okay, I know I'm not a gossip queen. You guys know this. Maybe I'm a gossip peasant. Let me be your gossip peasant.
Let's not be toxic. Let's punch up and form one another, but let's not be a-holes, okay? All right, I'm going to shut up. I'm going to pack up my stuff, go meet up with Kiki. You guys want to come? Yeah? All right. All right. I'll pick up and we ho. Tom Tom. See you guys in a second.
Let's not be toxic. Let's punch up and form one another, but let's not be a-holes, okay? All right, I'm going to shut up. I'm going to pack up my stuff, go meet up with Kiki. You guys want to come? Yeah? All right. All right. I'll pick up and we ho. Tom Tom. See you guys in a second.
After World Dog Day, which was last Saturday. Okay. I talked about it earlier in the intro. I got to chill with the Vanderpump Villa cast.
After World Dog Day, which was last Saturday. Okay. I talked about it earlier in the intro. I got to chill with the Vanderpump Villa cast.
So cool. Okay. Such good vibes. We can come back to that. But that's usually when I know it's time to start filming. New season, new beginnings. Anything is possible.
So cool. Okay. Such good vibes. We can come back to that. But that's usually when I know it's time to start filming. New season, new beginnings. Anything is possible.
I got here at the tail end of the early 2000s, so I got a glimpse of the glitz and the glam. It still kind of felt like old school Hollywood. It still felt like it had lore, and it does, and it's still rich with history. I love L.A., but I totally agree with you. Like back in the 70s, 80s, when the Sunset Boulevard was rocking, whiskey a go-go.
I got here at the tail end of the early 2000s, so I got a glimpse of the glitz and the glam. It still kind of felt like old school Hollywood. It still felt like it had lore, and it does, and it's still rich with history. I love L.A., but I totally agree with you. Like back in the 70s, 80s, when the Sunset Boulevard was rocking, whiskey a go-go.
Exactly. Hookers everywhere. Wait, let's not romanticize. Are we romanticizing it in hindsight? We watched too much true crime. It's true. Did you watch the Sunset Boulevard documentary? I didn't. It's really good. Okay. Have you ever been to Chateau Marmont? I have. Yeah.
Exactly. Hookers everywhere. Wait, let's not romanticize. Are we romanticizing it in hindsight? We watched too much true crime. It's true. Did you watch the Sunset Boulevard documentary? I didn't. It's really good. Okay. Have you ever been to Chateau Marmont? I have. Yeah.
I've never actually stayed in one of the rooms, but I really dig it there. It just feels steeped in rock and roll history.
I've never actually stayed in one of the rooms, but I really dig it there. It just feels steeped in rock and roll history.
Now, sunken living rooms, talking pits, not talking pits. That doesn't sound right. That doesn't sound right. But anyways, it's nice to be sitting down. This is how do you feel about West Hollywood?
Now, sunken living rooms, talking pits, not talking pits. That doesn't sound right. That doesn't sound right. But anyways, it's nice to be sitting down. This is how do you feel about West Hollywood?
I feel like I know I'm straight, but I kind of feel like I'm actually a WeHo gay. Yeah. Some of my gay friends tell me I'm closet WeHo gay. I just love it here.
I feel like I know I'm straight, but I kind of feel like I'm actually a WeHo gay. Yeah. Some of my gay friends tell me I'm closet WeHo gay. I just love it here.
I'm like West Hollywood's number one promoter. My heart will always be here, even though I'm a Valley guy now.
I'm like West Hollywood's number one promoter. My heart will always be here, even though I'm a Valley guy now.
It's just something special to me. It's like I kind of feel like Pink Pony Club when I'm here. Pink Pony Club. I've always dreamed of living in Los Angeles. And when I'm out here, say I'm at the Abbey, it just feels so free. You can be whoever you want. Yeah. And it's just got the best energy, the pulse. I love it here.
It's just something special to me. It's like I kind of feel like Pink Pony Club when I'm here. Pink Pony Club. I've always dreamed of living in Los Angeles. And when I'm out here, say I'm at the Abbey, it just feels so free. You can be whoever you want. Yeah. And it's just got the best energy, the pulse. I love it here.
So I love that. We're day drinking, by the way, guys. We're day drinking here. For any of my listeners, I feel like most of my listeners know who you are. Kiki Monique.
So I love that. We're day drinking, by the way, guys. We're day drinking here. For any of my listeners, I feel like most of my listeners know who you are. Kiki Monique.
The great Kiki Monique. Can you introduce yourself?
The great Kiki Monique. Can you introduce yourself?
You've transcended that. I think so. And I love... You have hot takes, but I feel like whenever I see your stuff, you have... at least an undercurrent of compassion. You give us heathens humanity, and I appreciate that.
You've transcended that. I think so. And I love... You have hot takes, but I feel like whenever I see your stuff, you have... at least an undercurrent of compassion. You give us heathens humanity, and I appreciate that.
It hurts my feelings when you guys are like, it's not fun to talk shit with Schwartz. But I do. Okay, I enjoy it. By the way, how are you guys? Gang gang. I'm checking in. Harmony check. Vibe check. It's Friday right now. I know it's Tuesday for you. But TGIF for me. Thank you for everyone who came out last Saturday to TomTom. World Dog Day. I got to chill with the cast from Vanderpump Villa.
It hurts my feelings when you guys are like, it's not fun to talk shit with Schwartz. But I do. Okay, I enjoy it. By the way, how are you guys? Gang gang. I'm checking in. Harmony check. Vibe check. It's Friday right now. I know it's Tuesday for you. But TGIF for me. Thank you for everyone who came out last Saturday to TomTom. World Dog Day. I got to chill with the cast from Vanderpump Villa.
That's so interesting to hear because I'm friends with most of the pop culture gurus or pop culture. Is pop culture vulture a term of endearment?
That's so interesting to hear because I'm friends with most of the pop culture gurus or pop culture. Is pop culture vulture a term of endearment?
But sometimes I befriend them and then they'll hit me up beforehand. I'm like, listen. I got to weigh in on what happened with your divorce or whatever, X, Y, Z. I'm sorry. I went a little hard on you, although hit me up in hindsight. And I'm like, don't even worry about it. I'm a public figure. Thank you for reaching out. Thank you for the element of respect.
But sometimes I befriend them and then they'll hit me up beforehand. I'm like, listen. I got to weigh in on what happened with your divorce or whatever, X, Y, Z. I'm sorry. I went a little hard on you, although hit me up in hindsight. And I'm like, don't even worry about it. I'm a public figure. Thank you for reaching out. Thank you for the element of respect.
Oh, at least five times. At least five times. Have you ever said something about someone such as myself or someone in the Bravoverse or any reality TV show, a hot take, where they DM'd you and they're like, that really hurt my feelings, you hurt my soul?
Oh, at least five times. At least five times. Have you ever said something about someone such as myself or someone in the Bravoverse or any reality TV show, a hot take, where they DM'd you and they're like, that really hurt my feelings, you hurt my soul?
I appreciate that you didn't take it down. You didn't back down. No. See, I'm soft. I would have taken it down immediately. I'm so sorry for hurting your feelings, but I'm like, people don't realize that I do love sip. I like sipping and serving the tea. I do love me some pop culture. I like gossiping. Is it Kiki? Is it okay to gossip?
I appreciate that you didn't take it down. You didn't back down. No. See, I'm soft. I would have taken it down immediately. I'm so sorry for hurting your feelings, but I'm like, people don't realize that I do love sip. I like sipping and serving the tea. I do love me some pop culture. I like gossiping. Is it Kiki? Is it okay to gossip?
Totally. I mean from an evolutionary standpoint it's it's made us who we are today. It's deeply rooted in our psychology. Right. It's a bonding experience. Yeah. It's looking out for one another.
Totally. I mean from an evolutionary standpoint it's it's made us who we are today. It's deeply rooted in our psychology. Right. It's a bonding experience. Yeah. It's looking out for one another.
I don't want that.
I don't want that.
Kiki, everybody's going to say something. I'd be worried if they said nothing.
Kiki, everybody's going to say something. I'd be worried if they said nothing.
Yeah, I know. If you don't have haters, you're probably not doing it right.
Yeah, I know. If you don't have haters, you're probably not doing it right.
Oh crap. You guys, we're going to have to pause it for a second. Okay. You guys were in the field today.
Oh crap. You guys, we're going to have to pause it for a second. Okay. You guys were in the field today.
Yes, exactly. I'm not going to be the guy who's like the owner who's like, keep the music off. Yeah. I got to get my interview done. By the way, I hate it when I go into a bar or restaurant and there's no music playing.
Yes, exactly. I'm not going to be the guy who's like the owner who's like, keep the music off. Yeah. I got to get my interview done. By the way, I hate it when I go into a bar or restaurant and there's no music playing.
Rarely in West Hollywood. Some places, some of the bougier places, Beverly Hills, it's quiet. I don't want to hear, I don't like overhearing people's conversations. I mean, I love to gossip. If it's juicy, if someone's breaking up or they're spilling tea, yes.
Rarely in West Hollywood. Some places, some of the bougier places, Beverly Hills, it's quiet. I don't want to hear, I don't like overhearing people's conversations. I mean, I love to gossip. If it's juicy, if someone's breaking up or they're spilling tea, yes.
Well, I was trained by Katie Maloney, my ex-wife. Shout out to Katie Maloney. No, I'm just kidding. Just friends, family. I have a reputation as being overly diplomatic. People think I'm not fun to gossip with. And I want to gossip with you. Is that okay? I want to hear some gossip. I was thinking, okay, so can we talk about the Diddy Trial a little bit? Of course.
Well, I was trained by Katie Maloney, my ex-wife. Shout out to Katie Maloney. No, I'm just kidding. Just friends, family. I have a reputation as being overly diplomatic. People think I'm not fun to gossip with. And I want to gossip with you. Is that okay? I want to hear some gossip. I was thinking, okay, so can we talk about the Diddy Trial a little bit? Of course.
I haven't talked about any of this stuff on my podcast so far. Yeah. Can you do like a brief overview? Sure. Yeah, I just listened to Kid Cudi's testimony. I'd like to talk about that a little bit, but yeah.
I haven't talked about any of this stuff on my podcast so far. Yeah. Can you do like a brief overview? Sure. Yeah, I just listened to Kid Cudi's testimony. I'd like to talk about that a little bit, but yeah.
Yeah. He's a villain.
Yeah. He's a villain.
I'm still trying to connect it to the crimes. I mean, for people who haven't been following a trial, can you give some talk, some context to the reference to Tootsie Rolls?
I'm still trying to connect it to the crimes. I mean, for people who haven't been following a trial, can you give some talk, some context to the reference to Tootsie Rolls?
Hosted them for brunch. Everybody was so cool. Vibes immaculate. Love to see them, you know, just doing their thing. Riding their first...
Hosted them for brunch. Everybody was so cool. Vibes immaculate. Love to see them, you know, just doing their thing. Riding their first...
Which is information I... I don't need to know. It's too much. Just like I found out that Diddy apparently likes applesauce on his cheeseburgers. Yes. How fucked up is that?
Which is information I... I don't need to know. It's too much. Just like I found out that Diddy apparently likes applesauce on his cheeseburgers. Yes. How fucked up is that?
No, you've, you've always been better about setting boundaries, but also you're really gregarious and super friendly to fans. I see that. And I know they appreciate that.
No, you've, you've always been better about setting boundaries, but also you're really gregarious and super friendly to fans. I see that. And I know they appreciate that.
I aim to please, master, people pleaser over here.
I aim to please, master, people pleaser over here.
I have healthy boundaries and my peace is protected now. I'm not on a lease for, I'll just say five figures a month. And I feel like I can breathe again, nice deep breaths, very mindful, very present. I'm not floundering.
I have healthy boundaries and my peace is protected now. I'm not on a lease for, I'll just say five figures a month. And I feel like I can breathe again, nice deep breaths, very mindful, very present. I'm not floundering.
Well, maybe aside from like the federal government as technically there's still a schedule one drug, but they're being heavily researched and heralded further practical applications, curbing addiction, PTSD. We're just here at the beginning with the potential of shrooms. So yeah, let's get into it. What is the deal with microdosing?
Well, maybe aside from like the federal government as technically there's still a schedule one drug, but they're being heavily researched and heralded further practical applications, curbing addiction, PTSD. We're just here at the beginning with the potential of shrooms. So yeah, let's get into it. What is the deal with microdosing?
Oh, no, it's great. My boundaries are up.
Oh, no, it's great. My boundaries are up.
Don't drink too much with them. Don't follow them on Instagram. Definitely don't give out your number. Okay.
Don't drink too much with them. Don't follow them on Instagram. Definitely don't give out your number. Okay.
You're like, this is 101 shit.
You're like, this is 101 shit.
The look she just gave me, you guys. I was coming back from Tom Tom because I've been trying to get brunch popping again the other day. And Donna texted me on the way home. Donna's the new homeowner. She bought our home.
The look she just gave me, you guys. I was coming back from Tom Tom because I've been trying to get brunch popping again the other day. And Donna texted me on the way home. Donna's the new homeowner. She bought our home.
No, but my mail still goes there.
No, but my mail still goes there.
I don't know. And she's like, bro, your mail is still coming.
I don't know. And she's like, bro, your mail is still coming.
It's just two things from two banks. And honestly, I just tell her to throw it out every time. But sometimes when I drive by the house, I just, I don't get sad. But this is not a cry for help. But I sometimes will shed like a tear. It's not like a sad tear. It's not a happy tear. But it's just kind of a nostalgic tear, you know? I'm just like, I miss that crib.
It's just two things from two banks. And honestly, I just tell her to throw it out every time. But sometimes when I drive by the house, I just, I don't get sad. But this is not a cry for help. But I sometimes will shed like a tear. It's not like a sad tear. It's not a happy tear. But it's just kind of a nostalgic tear, you know? I'm just like, I miss that crib.
I know. I know.
I know. I know.
Very tastefully, mind you. By the way, it's not something masochistic.
Very tastefully, mind you. By the way, it's not something masochistic.
I sit across the street and I play the Vanderbilt rules theme song.
I sit across the street and I play the Vanderbilt rules theme song.
There's things I'm working on but like shout out to the hundredth episode Disrespectively if you don't follow follow now tomorrow Tom will be on disrespect places like this is a twofer This is a back-to-back you're killing it by the way before we move on like I remember when the show was ending you were pretty vocal about not wanting to come back even if we did get another season and people gave you so much shit they were hitting you with the sure Jan meme and
There's things I'm working on but like shout out to the hundredth episode Disrespectively if you don't follow follow now tomorrow Tom will be on disrespect places like this is a twofer This is a back-to-back you're killing it by the way before we move on like I remember when the show was ending you were pretty vocal about not wanting to come back even if we did get another season and people gave you so much shit they were hitting you with the sure Jan meme and
I saw that a lot, but like, I think you were being honest. I think it wasn't a, it wasn't a deflection or a self-defense thing. I think you had made peace with being done with the show. Yeah.
I saw that a lot, but like, I think you were being honest. I think it wasn't a, it wasn't a deflection or a self-defense thing. I think you had made peace with being done with the show. Yeah.
So microdosing is the practice of taking a sub-perceptual dose of psychedelic mushrooms, maybe around like a 10th to one 20th of a full dose. You don't hallucinate or trip, but you might
So microdosing is the practice of taking a sub-perceptual dose of psychedelic mushrooms, maybe around like a 10th to one 20th of a full dose. You don't hallucinate or trip, but you might
Yeah. By the way, I feel like, well, Listen, it is a great job. It's a great job to have. It's like, you know, you get to fly first class. It's like, obviously, being a cast member on a Bravo television show, not to be a brown nose over here, but it's pretty freaking awesome. Right, Katie? Yeah. Oh, yeah. It has many fringe benefits and...
Yeah. By the way, I feel like, well, Listen, it is a great job. It's a great job to have. It's like, you know, you get to fly first class. It's like, obviously, being a cast member on a Bravo television show, not to be a brown nose over here, but it's pretty freaking awesome. Right, Katie? Yeah. Oh, yeah. It has many fringe benefits and...
I get it it's starting to feel it might have felt a little contrived had we had another season the reason I was rooting for another season not obvious reasons not more money but I was like I didn't love the way it ended it just felt like such a chasm it kind of felt sad because even though we were highly dysfunctional Katie you know more better than anybody we were like also a big happy dysfunctional family for a while not at the end there not at the end there there was no family vibes I know it's just like we spent 10 a decade together and all of a sudden like nobody's talking to each other well some people talk to each other but
I get it it's starting to feel it might have felt a little contrived had we had another season the reason I was rooting for another season not obvious reasons not more money but I was like I didn't love the way it ended it just felt like such a chasm it kind of felt sad because even though we were highly dysfunctional Katie you know more better than anybody we were like also a big happy dysfunctional family for a while not at the end there not at the end there there was no family vibes I know it's just like we spent 10 a decade together and all of a sudden like nobody's talking to each other well some people talk to each other but
feel a subtle shift in your mood your focus your clarity maybe like a nice pleasant body high maybe some giggles why do people do it yeah let's let's break down the potential benefits okay mood boosting yes many users report reduced symptoms of anxiety depression uh microdosing can kind of gently lift the fog with other side effects of traditional meds um it can lead to increased focus and creativity think of think of it as like kind of like a brain tune-up
feel a subtle shift in your mood your focus your clarity maybe like a nice pleasant body high maybe some giggles why do people do it yeah let's let's break down the potential benefits okay mood boosting yes many users report reduced symptoms of anxiety depression uh microdosing can kind of gently lift the fog with other side effects of traditional meds um it can lead to increased focus and creativity think of think of it as like kind of like a brain tune-up
Yeah, I remember. I don't even know if you know this, but I found out, well, I chose a month away from our last day open at Schwartz and Sandy's. I chose, we all decided as a group, partners, what day is going to be our last day. So in my mind, Schwartz and Sandy's is officially closing. Bittersweet. We're not going to go into that.
Yeah, I remember. I don't even know if you know this, but I found out, well, I chose a month away from our last day open at Schwartz and Sandy's. I chose, we all decided as a group, partners, what day is going to be our last day. So in my mind, Schwartz and Sandy's is officially closing. Bittersweet. We're not going to go into that.
But then the next day I found out from our executive producer that Vanderpump Rules is ending. And it just was like, I was like, that's my whole life, man.
But then the next day I found out from our executive producer that Vanderpump Rules is ending. And it just was like, I was like, that's my whole life, man.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I thought we were going to do an abbreviated season. It was in talks, but we just couldn't get the right chemistry going. I'm not a producer. I'm not behind the scenes.
I thought we were going to do an abbreviated season. It was in talks, but we just couldn't get the right chemistry going. I'm not a producer. I'm not behind the scenes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Are you going to watch the new Vanderpump Rules?
Are you going to watch the new Vanderpump Rules?
It's filming as we speak, I think.
It's filming as we speak, I think.
Okay. Well, listen, that's a hot take.
Okay. Well, listen, that's a hot take.
Yeah. Well, I think it will be. With the same name, different show.
Yeah. Well, I think it will be. With the same name, different show.
We had lightning in a bottle. We were all living together, dating each other, best friends. We were hanging out before the show, but I think everyone knows that. I think that speaks to the magic of the show.
We had lightning in a bottle. We were all living together, dating each other, best friends. We were hanging out before the show, but I think everyone knows that. I think that speaks to the magic of the show.
Yeah, well said, by the way. But you watched The Valley?
Yeah, well said, by the way. But you watched The Valley?
It's so good. It's weird saying that because they're all people I know and hang out with. But if I can step away from my friendship with them objectively, it's such a good show.
It's so good. It's weird saying that because they're all people I know and hang out with. But if I can step away from my friendship with them objectively, it's such a good show.
Has he seen any Vanderpump Rules?
Has he seen any Vanderpump Rules?
Yeah.
Yeah.
No.
No.
Best and worst moments.
Best and worst moments.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay. We're getting a little Barbara Walters. So let's lean into it. Well, first of all, you guys were happily, respectfully separated.
Okay. We're getting a little Barbara Walters. So let's lean into it. Well, first of all, you guys were happily, respectfully separated.
Divorced. But is there anything you miss? I'm not saying about me or our relationship, but anything you miss about that old life?
Divorced. But is there anything you miss? I'm not saying about me or our relationship, but anything you miss about that old life?
We did. I feel like people never saw us like, I know we were dysfunctional. We had many issues, but like, we also had a lot of fun. There was a lot of love.
We did. I feel like people never saw us like, I know we were dysfunctional. We had many issues, but like, we also had a lot of fun. There was a lot of love.
Yeah. On that note.
Yeah. On that note.
Well, I don't know. I didn't mean to cut you off. Like what, what, What are your fondest? Cause I get asked this every interview. It's very stock, but what are your fondest when you close your eyes and think of the past 11 seasons, what are your fondest happiest moments or like just most hilarious moments on Vanderpump rules?
Well, I don't know. I didn't mean to cut you off. Like what, what, What are your fondest? Cause I get asked this every interview. It's very stock, but what are your fondest when you close your eyes and think of the past 11 seasons, what are your fondest happiest moments or like just most hilarious moments on Vanderpump rules?
It may help with problem solving, thinking outside the box, getting into a flow state, more and more creative thinking. Also, improved emotional balance. Yes, microdosing can create more of a space between the stimulus and the reaction, making it easier to respond rather than react. Enhanced connections, like I talked about earlier. You might feel more in tune with your environment. Mother Nature.
It may help with problem solving, thinking outside the box, getting into a flow state, more and more creative thinking. Also, improved emotional balance. Yes, microdosing can create more of a space between the stimulus and the reaction, making it easier to respond rather than react. Enhanced connections, like I talked about earlier. You might feel more in tune with your environment. Mother Nature.
You guys, we would grip it and rip it on the trips.
You guys, we would grip it and rip it on the trips.
No, for real. Our wedding was for me literally the worst hangover I've ever had in my entire life.
No, for real. Our wedding was for me literally the worst hangover I've ever had in my entire life.
We couldn't even drive.
We couldn't even drive.
Fresh start. It's spring. Like we have, we hope we always start around like we hope pride. We all love that. And it just was always good energy in the beginning. And then I guess it would slowly descend into chaos.
Fresh start. It's spring. Like we have, we hope we always start around like we hope pride. We all love that. And it just was always good energy in the beginning. And then I guess it would slowly descend into chaos.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, no, we, we had, we were down and out sometimes.
No, no, we, we had, we were down and out sometimes.
Oh, stars on Mars.
Oh, stars on Mars.
Yeah, I did. I remember in the beginning I was like, I don't know if I want to do this. I'm an artist. I'm an actor. You're like, Tom, you've done a Kohl's commercial. Relax. Listen, that Kohl's commercial changed my life because it gave me the confidence because I was in a room full of people more talented and better looking than me. And then I booked that and I was like, how did I book this?
Yeah, I did. I remember in the beginning I was like, I don't know if I want to do this. I'm an artist. I'm an actor. You're like, Tom, you've done a Kohl's commercial. Relax. Listen, that Kohl's commercial changed my life because it gave me the confidence because I was in a room full of people more talented and better looking than me. And then I booked that and I was like, how did I book this?
Maybe I have something. Maybe I have something.
Maybe I have something. Maybe I have something.
I haven't heard that.
I haven't heard that.
Oh my God. You guys, just in case you don't know in the business, I hate mayonnaise and Katie rubs it in my face. But no, in the industry, if you ask somebody, if you're like, oh my God, what are you guys filming? Anybody for production will tell you we're filming a mayonnaise commercial.
Oh my God. You guys, just in case you don't know in the business, I hate mayonnaise and Katie rubs it in my face. But no, in the industry, if you ask somebody, if you're like, oh my God, what are you guys filming? Anybody for production will tell you we're filming a mayonnaise commercial.
Wait, Barbara Walters round two. Okay. I got to ask you this. What did you learn about yourself through our relationship and everything that came after it?
Wait, Barbara Walters round two. Okay. I got to ask you this. What did you learn about yourself through our relationship and everything that came after it?
That's a deep one.
That's a deep one.
yeah i like that if you could go back and i wouldn't want to go back and change anything like you said earlier but if you could go back and maybe change one moment and and you cannot say not marry me okay in our relationship no no no just in the show on the show i was like damn you can't hit me are you sorry i stole your thunder well you're asking about what i learned about myself in our relationship but now you're going back to the show
yeah i like that if you could go back and i wouldn't want to go back and change anything like you said earlier but if you could go back and maybe change one moment and and you cannot say not marry me okay in our relationship no no no just in the show on the show i was like damn you can't hit me are you sorry i stole your thunder well you're asking about what i learned about myself in our relationship but now you're going back to the show
They're one in the same, yeah.
They're one in the same, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Listen, listen, that's a little deep.
Oh, yeah. Listen, listen, that's a little deep.
I don't remember what I asked you after that. I literally, no, I asked you what you learned through, you know, about yourself post our relationship. Yeah. And then if you could change anything and go back in time.
I don't remember what I asked you after that. I literally, no, I asked you what you learned through, you know, about yourself post our relationship. Yeah. And then if you could change anything and go back in time.
Oh, God. I get asked this every interview and I never know what to say because they're like,
Oh, God. I get asked this every interview and I never know what to say because they're like,
do you still talk to Tequila Katie? She's in there.
do you still talk to Tequila Katie? She's in there.
The people around you. It's subtle, but it's grounding. Yes, more mindful, more present. It can help you feel more in the moment, which is especially important in an ever digital age. You know, we're all chronically online these days. It's also important to remember that everybody's body and brain are different.
The people around you. It's subtle, but it's grounding. Yes, more mindful, more present. It can help you feel more in the moment, which is especially important in an ever digital age. You know, we're all chronically online these days. It's also important to remember that everybody's body and brain are different.
What?
What?
That's fun.
That's fun.
That's diabolical.
That's diabolical.
I want one right now.
I want one right now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's downtown, isn't it?
That's downtown, isn't it?
Oh, nice.
Oh, nice.
We still love a good dive bar, don't we?
We still love a good dive bar, don't we?
Yeah. The only bars I go to is pretty much Tom Tom. Sometimes I help over at Jax's bar. I go to the, I go to the Bayou a lot. I'm not going to lie.
Yeah. The only bars I go to is pretty much Tom Tom. Sometimes I help over at Jax's bar. I go to the, I go to the Bayou a lot. I'm not going to lie.
Well, I mean, I go and then I have my regular spots in the valley, like black market liquor bar. I don't want to bore the audience.
Well, I mean, I go and then I have my regular spots in the valley, like black market liquor bar. I don't want to bore the audience.
Yeah. I know. There's a good energy in that little strip over there. I was thinking about, and I'm going to run this by you. What if I opened a dive bar in the valley and I called it, ready for this? Once upon a Tom.
Yeah. I know. There's a good energy in that little strip over there. I was thinking about, and I'm going to run this by you. What if I opened a dive bar in the valley and I called it, ready for this? Once upon a Tom.
Listen.
Listen.
lesson learned um by the way i actually almost did a pop-up in san francisco and i don't it's not like i'm saying don't go sorry in business friends but don't with your friends no specifically but listen lesson learned over here katie can we tell this to the audience what what you just said but directed at the audience you guys be very wary of going into a high stakes business with the lease with your friends and i'm not talking trash i learned a lot it was a very valuable lesson
lesson learned um by the way i actually almost did a pop-up in san francisco and i don't it's not like i'm saying don't go sorry in business friends but don't with your friends no specifically but listen lesson learned over here katie can we tell this to the audience what what you just said but directed at the audience you guys be very wary of going into a high stakes business with the lease with your friends and i'm not talking trash i learned a lot it was a very valuable lesson
We don't say that. We don't say the S word. I don't like saying it either. We say you know what of all.
We don't say that. We don't say the S word. I don't like saying it either. We say you know what of all.
That's what we all say.
That's what we all say.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't see him nearly as much anymore. I got to be honest. He's very much in love. He's working.
I don't see him nearly as much anymore. I got to be honest. He's very much in love. He's working.
Well, that was because I wanted to go see.
Well, that was because I wanted to go see.
I, okay. Should we talk about this? You guys, am I too old to be doing appearances? Am I washed up? Here's the thing. After each one, every time I'm like, oh, I had such a good run. I've probably done a hundred appearances. They pay well. But I actually, also, I love people. And it's like, I'm not in the bars as much as I used to. And my peace is back. And I love that. But I also do love hosting.
I, okay. Should we talk about this? You guys, am I too old to be doing appearances? Am I washed up? Here's the thing. After each one, every time I'm like, oh, I had such a good run. I've probably done a hundred appearances. They pay well. But I actually, also, I love people. And it's like, I'm not in the bars as much as I used to. And my peace is back. And I love that. But I also do love hosting.
What works wonders for one person may not do that for the other person or maybe too much. That's why most protocols recommend microdosing every third day or so to avoid building a tolerance and you want to stay in tune with how you're feeling. Also, side note, if you're going through something dark or you have heavy anxiety, a life crisis, sometimes shrooms can also enhance a bad feeling.
What works wonders for one person may not do that for the other person or maybe too much. That's why most protocols recommend microdosing every third day or so to avoid building a tolerance and you want to stay in tune with how you're feeling. Also, side note, if you're going through something dark or you have heavy anxiety, a life crisis, sometimes shrooms can also enhance a bad feeling.
Butters are shaking.
Butters are shaking.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Don't have much left over for the people who matter the most.
Don't have much left over for the people who matter the most.
I'm past that, just so you know. You look incredulous.
I'm past that, just so you know. You look incredulous.
I'm not around enough to know this, but I feel like, yeah, well, ever since I've closed Schwartz and Sandy's and also I moved to a new beautiful place, like I'm so happy. I feel like I'm, I feel like I'm just, I'm in my ideal spot in North Hollywood, by the way, your place, your new place is gorgeous. I think I can speak for both of us when I say we don't miss our old spots.
I'm not around enough to know this, but I feel like, yeah, well, ever since I've closed Schwartz and Sandy's and also I moved to a new beautiful place, like I'm so happy. I feel like I'm, I feel like I'm just, I'm in my ideal spot in North Hollywood, by the way, your place, your new place is gorgeous. I think I can speak for both of us when I say we don't miss our old spots.
I know. By the way, we crushed it on selling our house. We bought it the perfect time, 2019, and we sold at a great time too. I'm not going to say how much we made. Maybe it was already on the show, but anyways. No, I'm not talking about that. But shit, man. Listen, it's nice to sit down with you.
I know. By the way, we crushed it on selling our house. We bought it the perfect time, 2019, and we sold at a great time too. I'm not going to say how much we made. Maybe it was already on the show, but anyways. No, I'm not talking about that. But shit, man. Listen, it's nice to sit down with you.
It's nice chilling here with the boys.
It's nice chilling here with the boys.
Nah, I didn't want to get too deep, honestly.
Nah, I didn't want to get too deep, honestly.
No, this has actually been nice. I just, yeah. I honestly was just more curious if you're sentimental and nostalgic about Vanderpump Rules.
No, this has actually been nice. I just, yeah. I honestly was just more curious if you're sentimental and nostalgic about Vanderpump Rules.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, it's bittersweet. I know it's so like cliche to say, but I think that's the perfect description. The ending of the show was bittersweet. Yeah, but... Mostly sweet.
Well, it's bittersweet. I know it's so like cliche to say, but I think that's the perfect description. The ending of the show was bittersweet. Yeah, but... Mostly sweet.
It's similar.
It's similar.
At one point, yeah. That was the direction.
At one point, yeah. That was the direction.
Well, I mean, he was instrumental in it, but listen, let's not give him that.
Well, I mean, he was instrumental in it, but listen, let's not give him that.
Yeah, he's not a big fan of... He's your neighbor, though.
Yeah, he's not a big fan of... He's your neighbor, though.
Your business partner. He is my neighbor. That was not by choice, but he's actually been really...
Your business partner. He is my neighbor. That was not by choice, but he's actually been really...
We were mongrels in that building. That building was... We had some nights in that building.
We were mongrels in that building. That building was... We had some nights in that building.
So just be careful. They're not a cure-all, but they're a tool. Yes, I like that. They're a tool. Microdosing, it's magical. But it's not magic. It won't fix deep trauma overnight or replace therapy. But it can be like a gentle companion on the path to healing, clarity, and maybe, hopefully, a little personal growth. So without further ado, let's microdose. Here we go.
So just be careful. They're not a cure-all, but they're a tool. Yes, I like that. They're a tool. Microdosing, it's magical. But it's not magic. It won't fix deep trauma overnight or replace therapy. But it can be like a gentle companion on the path to healing, clarity, and maybe, hopefully, a little personal growth. So without further ado, let's microdose. Here we go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I still love West Hollywood. I go there all the time. But anyways, yeah. Anyway, it's nice to sit down with you. And even though we're happily separated, you know, we're divorced.
No, I still love West Hollywood. I go there all the time. But anyways, yeah. Anyway, it's nice to sit down with you. And even though we're happily separated, you know, we're divorced.
It's OK. Divorced.
It's OK. Divorced.
Tomato, tomato. No, I don't think so. But no, there's a there's a little part of me that always still loves you. And it's so nice to sit down and chill with you.
Tomato, tomato. No, I don't think so. But no, there's a there's a little part of me that always still loves you. And it's so nice to sit down and chill with you.
Yeah. And I'm glad to see you so happy. And I'm glad we're I'm glad we're I'm glad we're friends. I know we're not besties, but I love seeing you. And I'm glad that I'm not just somebody that you used to know.
Yeah. And I'm glad to see you so happy. And I'm glad we're I'm glad we're I'm glad we're friends. I know we're not besties, but I love seeing you. And I'm glad that I'm not just somebody that you used to know.
He's coming back in a major way.
He's coming back in a major way.
And I'm saying the song is everywhere now. Everywhere.
And I'm saying the song is everywhere now. Everywhere.
My world.
My world.
That song cuts deep and it's so real because it shows both sides of the story. You know what I mean? And both are valid and understandable, but it's important to hear both sides.
That song cuts deep and it's so real because it shows both sides of the story. You know what I mean? And both are valid and understandable, but it's important to hear both sides.
I know. It's like, I think we both fall in love easy. We meet people easily, but yeah, I remember after we separated, I just like it. It's the thought of like meeting someone, moving in together.
I know. It's like, I think we both fall in love easy. We meet people easily, but yeah, I remember after we separated, I just like it. It's the thought of like meeting someone, moving in together.
No, I did not.
No, I did not.
No. Am I crazy? Wait.
No. Am I crazy? Wait.
Don't you do this to me. She didn't move in. She would hang out there sometimes.
Don't you do this to me. She didn't move in. She would hang out there sometimes.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay, let's not open up that can of worms. Let's not open up that can of worms. We were doing so well there.
Okay, let's not open up that can of worms. Let's not open up that can of worms. We were doing so well there.
I got witches of WeHo in the system. My microdose is flowing. Do you feel like anything?
I got witches of WeHo in the system. My microdose is flowing. Do you feel like anything?
Well, don't blame the microdose.
Well, don't blame the microdose.
It takes like 30 minutes to set in.
It takes like 30 minutes to set in.
I know. I took mine before, so I feel nice. Okay, well. Sorry, I didn't mean to rub it in.
I know. I took mine before, so I feel nice. Okay, well. Sorry, I didn't mean to rub it in.
Yeah, no. But this has been nice. Yeah. It's good to see you. I'm so happy you're happy.
Yeah, no. But this has been nice. Yeah. It's good to see you. I'm so happy you're happy.
Can we give one more shout out? Something about her podcast, Disrespectfully. Shout out to Nick. Yeah. Want me to gush about Nick for a little bit more?
Can we give one more shout out? Something about her podcast, Disrespectfully. Shout out to Nick. Yeah. Want me to gush about Nick for a little bit more?
He's a literal rock star.
He's a literal rock star.
But anyways, I love you. I love you too.
But anyways, I love you. I love you too.
Let me ask one more thing. Do people still call you Bubba? Like fans or strangers?
Let me ask one more thing. Do people still call you Bubba? Like fans or strangers?
Really? They call me Bubba all the time.
Really? They call me Bubba all the time.
I kind of did. By the way. Now that we've been through that and we were Bubbas or whatever, it is a ubiquitous, universal pet name, nickname. I'm talking for pets, literally pets, but also for humans, lovers. Everyone's like, oh my God, this is my Bubba.
I kind of did. By the way. Now that we've been through that and we were Bubbas or whatever, it is a ubiquitous, universal pet name, nickname. I'm talking for pets, literally pets, but also for humans, lovers. Everyone's like, oh my God, this is my Bubba.
Yeah, no, I was in Chicago last weekend. Shout out to Chicago, Joy District. But from across the street, someone was like, what up, bubba? And I was like, what up? Yeah.
Yeah, no, I was in Chicago last weekend. Shout out to Chicago, Joy District. But from across the street, someone was like, what up, bubba? And I was like, what up? Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm like, yeah, yeah. Um, well listen, your reality television royalty still iconic and I'm happy to see you thriving.
I'm like, yeah, yeah. Um, well listen, your reality television royalty still iconic and I'm happy to see you thriving.
And, um, I'm glad, I'm glad we're still tight.
And, um, I'm glad, I'm glad we're still tight.
Within reason. Yeah, exactly. Katie's going to watch the boys tonight, and then I'll pick them up tomorrow. We're good puppy co-parents, aren't we?
Within reason. Yeah, exactly. Katie's going to watch the boys tonight, and then I'll pick them up tomorrow. We're good puppy co-parents, aren't we?
Not to diminish your love, though, because I know you love them more than anything in the world.
Not to diminish your love, though, because I know you love them more than anything in the world.
Well, anyways, I love you. Thanks for sitting down with me.
Well, anyways, I love you. Thanks for sitting down with me.
Oh my God. Are you guys going to roast me on your podcast tomorrow?
Oh my God. Are you guys going to roast me on your podcast tomorrow?
I was so gentle.
I was so gentle.
Okay, cool.
Okay, cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, I've dabbled. I've heard, okay. Clips on social media, but never a full episode all the way through. But you guys have great sound clips.
Oh, I've dabbled. I've heard, okay. Clips on social media, but never a full episode all the way through. But you guys have great sound clips.
Um, we're not filming this guy. Sorry, but. Anyways, it is cozy in here. Microdose is microdosing. The pups are sleeping. The witches of WeHo Wine is forcing through my system, but it's good to see you.
Um, we're not filming this guy. Sorry, but. Anyways, it is cozy in here. Microdose is microdosing. The pups are sleeping. The witches of WeHo Wine is forcing through my system, but it's good to see you.
Katie Maloney. All right. This is goodbye, guys.
Katie Maloney. All right. This is goodbye, guys.
All right, let's sign off.
All right, let's sign off.
Toodaloo, motherfuckers.
Toodaloo, motherfuckers.
I am here with the one, the only Katie freaking Maloney. Maloney, what's up?
I am here with the one, the only Katie freaking Maloney. Maloney, what's up?
I know.
I know.
It is weird. Thank you so much for doing this, you guys. I just got here and I thought this was going to be... Well, listen, this is like a mindful microdose. You know what I mean? I thought it'd be fun to do a little post-VPR meditation hangout. But also, I see you frequently, but we don't get to sit down a lot. So I was like, let's have a drink.
It is weird. Thank you so much for doing this, you guys. I just got here and I thought this was going to be... Well, listen, this is like a mindful microdose. You know what I mean? I thought it'd be fun to do a little post-VPR meditation hangout. But also, I see you frequently, but we don't get to sit down a lot. So I was like, let's have a drink.
So we're rebranding this one to microdoses and mimosas.
So we're rebranding this one to microdoses and mimosas.
Well, I'm having... a little drink and you're having a little wine. By the way, I brought something special. That's why I wanted to bring another wine glass out here.
Well, I'm having... a little drink and you're having a little wine. By the way, I brought something special. That's why I wanted to bring another wine glass out here.
Yeah, you guys, in front of me. You want to describe what we're looking at, Katie?
Yeah, you guys, in front of me. You want to describe what we're looking at, Katie?
The freaking witches of WeHo.
The freaking witches of WeHo.
Man, is that still for sale, by the way?
Man, is that still for sale, by the way?
Elevate your appreciation for the natural world around you and remember how lucky we are to be freaking alive. Yes, I feel like almost everyone I know has tried shrooms, you know, maybe high school, college, on a whim, with almost zero consideration or preparation to set and setting. Maybe you're in the parking lot at Denny's on a random Friday with a handful of psilocybe cubensis.
Elevate your appreciation for the natural world around you and remember how lucky we are to be freaking alive. Yes, I feel like almost everyone I know has tried shrooms, you know, maybe high school, college, on a whim, with almost zero consideration or preparation to set and setting. Maybe you're in the parking lot at Denny's on a random Friday with a handful of psilocybe cubensis.
Pass that shit. I'm going to pour a glass. You guys, set and setting. Even if you're microdosing when you're shrooming in general, it's important to take care of your set and setting. You want to be mindful of who you're hanging out with.
Pass that shit. I'm going to pour a glass. You guys, set and setting. Even if you're microdosing when you're shrooming in general, it's important to take care of your set and setting. You want to be mindful of who you're hanging out with.
It's very experiential. One week... We expand the mind, body, soul. The next week we kind of let loose. This was going to be a detox episode, but I guess we're kind of pivoting to a slight retox, a mindful retox. But set in setting, Katie, where are we?
It's very experiential. One week... We expand the mind, body, soul. The next week we kind of let loose. This was going to be a detox episode, but I guess we're kind of pivoting to a slight retox, a mindful retox. But set in setting, Katie, where are we?
Butters and Gordo are here.
Butters and Gordo are here.
I want to see if you guys can hear this. Butters is licking my leg. I have my favorite sandwich from Something About Her in front of me. It's the Drew.
I want to see if you guys can hear this. Butters is licking my leg. I have my favorite sandwich from Something About Her in front of me. It's the Drew.
I got to pour up a little Witches of Weho wine. And you guys, we took, so like apparently the standard dose for like a proper mushroom trip is three grams. Sounds like a lot. A microdose is usually one-tenth of that, so the little gummies we took are .25 milligrams. Excuse me, .25 grams. A standard microdose is .33. Ours is a little less.
I got to pour up a little Witches of Weho wine. And you guys, we took, so like apparently the standard dose for like a proper mushroom trip is three grams. Sounds like a lot. A microdose is usually one-tenth of that, so the little gummies we took are .25 milligrams. Excuse me, .25 grams. A standard microdose is .33. Ours is a little less.
I feel like I had a nice, strong matcha, except a little happier, a nice little mini body high. I feel tuned in.
I feel like I had a nice, strong matcha, except a little happier, a nice little mini body high. I feel tuned in.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I got it. Okay.
I got it. Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like an astral projection of yourself almost.
Like an astral projection of yourself almost.
By the way, have you ever mindfully microdosed on a regular basis as part of your regimen? Like to work out, to work on your podcast?
By the way, have you ever mindfully microdosed on a regular basis as part of your regimen? Like to work out, to work on your podcast?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I do remember those. Those are great.
I do remember those. Those are great.
Oh my God. So you actually started tripping on the 405.
Oh my God. So you actually started tripping on the 405.
Yeah. And by the way, for people who haven't done mushrooms, when you take them, usually it comes on in a nice pleasant wave. Unless you do too much, then it's like a tidal wave. And you know, there's no matter how fast you run, you can't escape it. But with the micro doses, you don't really feel a wave come on. It's very soothing and gentle. It kind of washes over you in a gentle wave.
Yeah. And by the way, for people who haven't done mushrooms, when you take them, usually it comes on in a nice pleasant wave. Unless you do too much, then it's like a tidal wave. And you know, there's no matter how fast you run, you can't escape it. But with the micro doses, you don't really feel a wave come on. It's very soothing and gentle. It kind of washes over you in a gentle wave.
No particular place to go. I've been there, done that. But we're talking more mindful doses on this episode. Some people, many people have referred to taking shrooms as one of the most profound experiences of their life, you know? It can really help you get in tune with yourself, the natural world around you, the universe. And it's great for getting a fresh, different perspective on life.
No particular place to go. I've been there, done that. But we're talking more mindful doses on this episode. Some people, many people have referred to taking shrooms as one of the most profound experiences of their life, you know? It can really help you get in tune with yourself, the natural world around you, the universe. And it's great for getting a fresh, different perspective on life.
Yeah, exactly. And it just makes you feel like a little more in tune with yourself, mind, body, soul with the universe. You know, it's nice on a hike. I love a micro dose and a hike.
Yeah, exactly. And it just makes you feel like a little more in tune with yourself, mind, body, soul with the universe. You know, it's nice on a hike. I love a micro dose and a hike.
It's now time for your weekly detox with Tom Schwartz. Mushrooms, shrooms, boomers, giggle caps, taking a peek behind the velvet curtain, taking a ride on Miss Frizzle's magic school bus. Yes, those mushrooms, magic mushrooms, psilocybin. I'm sure you guys have heard of them. Maybe you're looking to break the reins of stagnation, the doldrums of your daily routine.
It's now time for your weekly detox with Tom Schwartz. Mushrooms, shrooms, boomers, giggle caps, taking a peek behind the velvet curtain, taking a ride on Miss Frizzle's magic school bus. Yes, those mushrooms, magic mushrooms, psilocybin. I'm sure you guys have heard of them. Maybe you're looking to break the reins of stagnation, the doldrums of your daily routine.
That sounds so fun. I'm pretty sure we've done that. I think we've done that.
That sounds so fun. I'm pretty sure we've done that. I think we've done that.
We've always been pretty good and mindful and respectful of shrooms. I feel like during the pandemic, we may probably overindulge because we're out of boredom.
We've always been pretty good and mindful and respectful of shrooms. I feel like during the pandemic, we may probably overindulge because we're out of boredom.
Was that Sandoval?
Was that Sandoval?
Yeah. It's the closest thing we have to time travel.
Yeah. It's the closest thing we have to time travel.
Oh my God. Wait, I remember the last time we all did them was, I think it was the night Bo and Stassi got married in our backyard. Didn't we have an after party?
Oh my God. Wait, I remember the last time we all did them was, I think it was the night Bo and Stassi got married in our backyard. Didn't we have an after party?
Oh, that's right. I'm thinking of the time where, remember that one weird night where everyone was at our place. It was later in the pandemic guys relax. Um, but everyone came over and Jax took a ton of shrooms and we were all laying out in the backyard.
Oh, that's right. I'm thinking of the time where, remember that one weird night where everyone was at our place. It was later in the pandemic guys relax. Um, but everyone came over and Jax took a ton of shrooms and we were all laying out in the backyard.
Yeah. That remember it was such a fun, pure night. But then I remember Jax went home and confided in Brittany. He's like, Brittany, I'm freaking out. I'm pretty sure Tom and Katie were trying to have sex with me.
Yeah. That remember it was such a fun, pure night. But then I remember Jax went home and confided in Brittany. He's like, Brittany, I'm freaking out. I'm pretty sure Tom and Katie were trying to have sex with me.
Like he was being earnest.
Like he was being earnest.
No, God, no.
No, God, no.
No, but he was just tripping really hard. And I think he was freaking out. He was a little, yeah. Um, but yeah, it's nice being here. It's so cozy. Can I ask you a question? I, yeah, for the longest time figured I would probably never ask you what, How's your new boyfriend, Nick?
No, but he was just tripping really hard. And I think he was freaking out. He was a little, yeah. Um, but yeah, it's nice being here. It's so cozy. Can I ask you a question? I, yeah, for the longest time figured I would probably never ask you what, How's your new boyfriend, Nick?
He's awesome. By the way.
He's awesome. By the way.
nothing but great things to say about him i actually was at the broad at the la art show and i did an interview i think with us weekly and i was gushing about him and katie talked to me the next day because she was picking up the dogs and she's like um do you have a crush on my boyfriend you were like yeah you were gushing about him and i thought and we followed him on instagram you guys followed each other yeah which is funny um no he's great yeah he's like we we
nothing but great things to say about him i actually was at the broad at the la art show and i did an interview i think with us weekly and i was gushing about him and katie talked to me the next day because she was picking up the dogs and she's like um do you have a crush on my boyfriend you were like yeah you were gushing about him and i thought and we followed him on instagram you guys followed each other yeah which is funny um no he's great yeah he's like we we
I'm such a better listener. And like when someone is having a bad moment, I don't it doesn't trigger my fight or flight anymore. I let people vent. I listen. I don't try to give them a logical answer.
I'm such a better listener. And like when someone is having a bad moment, I don't it doesn't trigger my fight or flight anymore. I let people vent. I listen. I don't try to give them a logical answer.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You whipped my ass into shape.
You whipped my ass into shape.
Yes. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I'm so much more tame now.
Yes. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I'm so much more tame now.
Well, she's not my girlfriend, but we're really good friends.
Well, she's not my girlfriend, but we're really good friends.
We're just really good friends now. What does that mean? Listen, I try to be respectful of her privacy. She's very private. Okay.
We're just really good friends now. What does that mean? Listen, I try to be respectful of her privacy. She's very private. Okay.
I get that. It's like the opposite of private. I get that. But let's just say... Listen, I don't want to be self-deprecating, but you know better than anybody, maybe it's not the biggest flex to be referred to as Tom Schwartz's girlfriend. I saw her getting relegated to that, and she's so much more than that. You know what I mean? She's a fucking awesome human being, but...
I get that. It's like the opposite of private. I get that. But let's just say... Listen, I don't want to be self-deprecating, but you know better than anybody, maybe it's not the biggest flex to be referred to as Tom Schwartz's girlfriend. I saw her getting relegated to that, and she's so much more than that. You know what I mean? She's a fucking awesome human being, but...
So yeah, I'm sure you guys have heard of it. If you haven't, we're going to get into it. Microdosing, if you remember, was kind of sweeping Silicon Valley back around like 2015. It almost became like, it almost became meme-ified on the net, but it's mainstream now, you know? Shrooms are no longer stigmatized.
So yeah, I'm sure you guys have heard of it. If you haven't, we're going to get into it. Microdosing, if you remember, was kind of sweeping Silicon Valley back around like 2015. It almost became like, it almost became meme-ified on the net, but it's mainstream now, you know? Shrooms are no longer stigmatized.
Let's not do a deep dive into that. I'm good. I'm happy right now.
Let's not do a deep dive into that. I'm good. I'm happy right now.
I'm peaceful.
I'm peaceful.
Yeah, we're not dating.
Yeah, we're not dating.
Wait, am I just kidding? Am I the, Oh God.
Wait, am I just kidding? Am I the, Oh God.
By the way, am I the only non musician you've ever dated? no i dated an actor oh that's right yeah yeah but yeah i feel like a lot of them have been in the music yeah well you seem happy the sandwich shop is crushing every time i walk by there's a line outside um again got my favorite sandwich from something about her it's the drew you were just there today how was it
By the way, am I the only non musician you've ever dated? no i dated an actor oh that's right yeah yeah but yeah i feel like a lot of them have been in the music yeah well you seem happy the sandwich shop is crushing every time i walk by there's a line outside um again got my favorite sandwich from something about her it's the drew you were just there today how was it
And what about, what's up with the menu placement you promised me?
And what about, what's up with the menu placement you promised me?
The Schwartz and Sammy. It's a muffaletta. No, that's a little too close.
The Schwartz and Sammy. It's a muffaletta. No, that's a little too close.
I had it when you guys were doing R and D and test and doing taste tests.
I had it when you guys were doing R and D and test and doing taste tests.
Yeah. By the way, if you guys haven't been. Yeah. Super chic kind of Parisian and it's fucking delicious I go a lot actually, but the line usually dissuades me and I don't I feel bad cutting I
Yeah. By the way, if you guys haven't been. Yeah. Super chic kind of Parisian and it's fucking delicious I go a lot actually, but the line usually dissuades me and I don't I feel bad cutting I
Yeah. You guys, you guys, you're on Uber Eats. By the way, props, you guys are in there a lot. You know, you guys are doing the damn thing.
Yeah. You guys, you guys, you're on Uber Eats. By the way, props, you guys are in there a lot. You know, you guys are doing the damn thing.
I know. I know.
I know. I know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, oh, this, this affects people's lives.
Like, oh, this, this affects people's lives.
She has fans.
She has fans.
Yeah. I was so hyped for her when I saw that. I was like, this is sick.
Yeah. I was so hyped for her when I saw that. I was like, this is sick.
the first bravo con was so romantic because we were all just figuring everything out us production staff the execs at bravo going through all those going through all the back rooms to get around to like 50 different rooms it was iconic it was a beautiful shit show they've got it streamlined now yeah vegas they streamlined that we're doing bravo con this year yes sir running it back wow okay we're in the sauna now we're working on ourselves what's a memory your favorite memory of bravo con
the first bravo con was so romantic because we were all just figuring everything out us production staff the execs at bravo going through all those going through all the back rooms to get around to like 50 different rooms it was iconic it was a beautiful shit show they've got it streamlined now yeah vegas they streamlined that we're doing bravo con this year yes sir running it back wow okay we're in the sauna now we're working on ourselves what's a memory your favorite memory of bravo con
Probably the first one in New York City. It's my favorite city in the world. I love it. I think I might have lived a past life there. I just feel so at home. I never feel more myself than I do in New York City. Would you spend a couple of months over there a year? Yes, I would love to. I would love to. I'm going to do some episodes there. I'm really excited about that.
Probably the first one in New York City. It's my favorite city in the world. I love it. I think I might have lived a past life there. I just feel so at home. I never feel more myself than I do in New York City. Would you spend a couple of months over there a year? Yes, I would love to. I would love to. I'm going to do some episodes there. I'm really excited about that.
I know our organs, our kidney, our liver, our lungs, they're doing all the work. 24-7, they're eliminating toxins. And what you sweat out is like 99% water. But let's forget all of that, okay? It's not romantic. I like the phrase detox. So... Let's just say for us, for me, detox means being more mindful, healthier, more proactive. Okay, I still believe in detox. So, yeah, let's get into it.
I know our organs, our kidney, our liver, our lungs, they're doing all the work. 24-7, they're eliminating toxins. And what you sweat out is like 99% water. But let's forget all of that, okay? It's not romantic. I like the phrase detox. So... Let's just say for us, for me, detox means being more mindful, healthier, more proactive. Okay, I still believe in detox. So, yeah, let's get into it.
You can. You should go. Whenever we go out there, we make it a work trip and we just extend our stay and just enjoy the city. It just breathes. That city is... It's America right there, buddy. You said it. Yeah. It's steeped in so much history.
You can. You should go. Whenever we go out there, we make it a work trip and we just extend our stay and just enjoy the city. It just breathes. That city is... It's America right there, buddy. You said it. Yeah. It's steeped in so much history.
You just feel it when you're there.
You just feel it when you're there.
Did you see my route I ran the other day?
Did you see my route I ran the other day?
the city that never sleeps. If you can make it there, you can make it anywhere. He's showing me his route right now. It's all through the financial district, up through the East Village, all the way around. That's really impressive.
the city that never sleeps. If you can make it there, you can make it anywhere. He's showing me his route right now. It's all through the financial district, up through the East Village, all the way around. That's really impressive.
Yeah, so we went from the Gansevoort Meatpacking District and just went out to the Hudson and just ran all the way around Lower East Side, Soho, East Village. Nine miles. Yeah. Loved it. What's your favorite city in America? I mean, New York is the only really main city of America. I haven't really traveled too much else, like bigger cities like that. So New York is up there.
Yeah, so we went from the Gansevoort Meatpacking District and just went out to the Hudson and just ran all the way around Lower East Side, Soho, East Village. Nine miles. Yeah. Loved it. What's your favorite city in America? I mean, New York is the only really main city of America. I haven't really traveled too much else, like bigger cities like that. So New York is up there.
I do love, I do enjoy Las Vegas. I've lived there. I could see ourselves getting a house out there in the future. I definitely see that in the bingo cards. Love Vegas. Big, beautiful home out there. And the entertainment space out there is pretty fun. The tax breaks are pretty good too. But we'll see if these property prices keep going up. I don't know if it's the same.
I do love, I do enjoy Las Vegas. I've lived there. I could see ourselves getting a house out there in the future. I definitely see that in the bingo cards. Love Vegas. Big, beautiful home out there. And the entertainment space out there is pretty fun. The tax breaks are pretty good too. But we'll see if these property prices keep going up. I don't know if it's the same.
so many good things going on in your life right now but i know you have been dealing with some hardship um when's the last time a dog peed on your yeah that's goddamn dog guys it's like and it seems to be another owner i've never seen before just oh just another dog i know walking down the street not paying attention I get it. And I see it all the time.
so many good things going on in your life right now but i know you have been dealing with some hardship um when's the last time a dog peed on your yeah that's goddamn dog guys it's like and it seems to be another owner i've never seen before just oh just another dog i know walking down the street not paying attention I get it. And I see it all the time.
And I'm like, when I'm outside, I'm like, hey, guys. Hi. Hey. Just making noise. And it's just, I have a plan.
And I'm like, when I'm outside, I'm like, hey, guys. Hi. Hey. Just making noise. And it's just, I have a plan.
Well, I think there's a word called schadenfreude. It's a German word. It's taking pleasure in other people's pain. I'm taking great pleasure in your pain.
Well, I think there's a word called schadenfreude. It's a German word. It's taking pleasure in other people's pain. I'm taking great pleasure in your pain.
Well, listen, I'm glad you're enjoying it. I laugh about it sometimes. You know what got me? The fire hydrant I put out there. Somebody took that. Like, I don't think the city just came to remove it because there was like an improv or it was a prop. Like... Somebody removed that. First off, did they have gloves when they took it off? Because that had piss all over it. Are you kidding me?
Well, listen, I'm glad you're enjoying it. I laugh about it sometimes. You know what got me? The fire hydrant I put out there. Somebody took that. Like, I don't think the city just came to remove it because there was like an improv or it was a prop. Like... Somebody removed that. First off, did they have gloves when they took it off? Because that had piss all over it. Are you kidding me?
This person just grabs it, walks off with it, goes home, puts his fingers in his mouth. Joke's on you, sucker.
This person just grabs it, walks off with it, goes home, puts his fingers in his mouth. Joke's on you, sucker.
Well, I don't want to minimize your pain, but it's a champagne problem. I want a beautiful house with a beautiful gate that dogs are peeing on. That's a great problem to have.
Well, I don't want to minimize your pain, but it's a champagne problem. I want a beautiful house with a beautiful gate that dogs are peeing on. That's a great problem to have.
I love the problem. And I think that's kind of like a comedic relief to them. Everyone's like, oh, okay, whatever, bro. You got a home. You got a beautiful home. And we are very, very blessed. I loved having my mom over here because we definitely were raised in a family that didn't come from blessings, came from struggle and kind of just living below the line. And my mom still kind of lives there.
I love the problem. And I think that's kind of like a comedic relief to them. Everyone's like, oh, okay, whatever, bro. You got a home. You got a beautiful home. And we are very, very blessed. I loved having my mom over here because we definitely were raised in a family that didn't come from blessings, came from struggle and kind of just living below the line. And my mom still kind of lives there.
The majority of my family still lives on that line below. And that's kind of my major driver with a lot of this. I've learned my lessons through my older brothers and sisters. And if I mess up, I've got no one to blame but myself because they've done the same problems. They've gone through each one of them that had their own challenges and adversity they had to face.
The majority of my family still lives on that line below. And that's kind of my major driver with a lot of this. I've learned my lessons through my older brothers and sisters. And if I mess up, I've got no one to blame but myself because they've done the same problems. They've gone through each one of them that had their own challenges and adversity they had to face.
And life just smacked them hard sometimes. And now they're kind of figuring out how to get through that. So... I don't have an excuse. All I have is opportunities and I got to take them all and just keep running with it. That's such a refreshing perspective. I love it.
And life just smacked them hard sometimes. And now they're kind of figuring out how to get through that. So... I don't have an excuse. All I have is opportunities and I got to take them all and just keep running with it. That's such a refreshing perspective. I love it.
You guys got a good thing going. You guys are great parents. I love the way you interact with Summer.
You guys got a good thing going. You guys are great parents. I love the way you interact with Summer.
Oh, bud. You want to hear about interaction? I just dropped her off at school this morning. And yesterday, like, oh, Brock, we're going to do it. We're teaching them about New Zealand. Would you like to talk to them? I was like, perfect. I've got this. Stayed up last night till 2 a.m. working. Bad sleep. Woke up this morning. I was not into it.
Oh, bud. You want to hear about interaction? I just dropped her off at school this morning. And yesterday, like, oh, Brock, we're going to do it. We're teaching them about New Zealand. Would you like to talk to them? I was like, perfect. I've got this. Stayed up last night till 2 a.m. working. Bad sleep. Woke up this morning. I was not into it.
I was like, oh, now I got to go teach a class of four-year-olds about New Zealand. First off... Did you prepare? I googled fun facts for toddlers for New Zealand. I mean, I know you live there, but like...
I was like, oh, now I got to go teach a class of four-year-olds about New Zealand. First off... Did you prepare? I googled fun facts for toddlers for New Zealand. I mean, I know you live there, but like...
Guys, hi. Gang, gang, how are you? Harmony check. You guys keeping it together or are you falling apart? Just checking in. You guys hear me out for a minute, okay? Real talk. I thought infrared saunas were just like for influencers or like...
Guys, hi. Gang, gang, how are you? Harmony check. You guys keeping it together or are you falling apart? Just checking in. You guys hear me out for a minute, okay? Real talk. I thought infrared saunas were just like for influencers or like...
yeah and then what honestly i didn't prepare got there no visual aids i asked i was like do you guys have a globe i can show them where this is do you have any books i could use so i but we spoke about where new zealand was the fact that there's more sheep than people and i had all of them running around the room making sheep sounds i was like you guys make a sheep run around
yeah and then what honestly i didn't prepare got there no visual aids i asked i was like do you guys have a globe i can show them where this is do you have any books i could use so i but we spoke about where new zealand was the fact that there's more sheep than people and i had all of them running around the room making sheep sounds i was like you guys make a sheep run around
I know they were eating that up.
I know they were eating that up.
Loving it. And then we talked about the culture a little bit, the favorite foods we ate growing up, and then kind of what it was like being a kid in New Zealand, running around outside. Did you teach them a haka? Then someone asked about the culture. I was like, oh, yeah, we do the haka. And so I showed up.
Loving it. And then we talked about the culture a little bit, the favorite foods we ate growing up, and then kind of what it was like being a kid in New Zealand, running around outside. Did you teach them a haka? Then someone asked about the culture. I was like, oh, yeah, we do the haka. And so I showed up.
I was like, everyone stand up, put your hands up in the air like you're on a roller coaster, and then hit your legs. So you got these little four-year-olds. And I'm like, now put your tongue out.
I was like, everyone stand up, put your hands up in the air like you're on a roller coaster, and then hit your legs. So you got these little four-year-olds. And I'm like, now put your tongue out.
Hearing that right now transported me back to Mexico to your wedding.
Hearing that right now transported me back to Mexico to your wedding.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Which was just lovely. I loved your wedding.
Which was just lovely. I loved your wedding.
That wedding was one of the happiest days of my life that weekend. And I would recommend it for everybody that's having a wedding to do multiple days, get everybody out there early so they can share stories, how they know each other. So then by the second day, people kind of like run into each other. They reflect on their conversations the night before. And then on the third day,
That wedding was one of the happiest days of my life that weekend. And I would recommend it for everybody that's having a wedding to do multiple days, get everybody out there early so they can share stories, how they know each other. So then by the second day, people kind of like run into each other. They reflect on their conversations the night before. And then on the third day,
was awesome exactly everyone knew what was the messaging was clear yes we and we both know you guys going to a destination wedding it's a privilege not everybody has the resources to do it but if you can do it it's so much more immersive well guys listen do it on a tuesday or a wednesday cheaper okay and also when by doing a destination wedding you can invite everybody
was awesome exactly everyone knew what was the messaging was clear yes we and we both know you guys going to a destination wedding it's a privilege not everybody has the resources to do it but if you can do it it's so much more immersive well guys listen do it on a tuesday or a wednesday cheaper okay and also when by doing a destination wedding you can invite everybody
I'm going to go over to Brock's. We're going to hit the infrared sauna and... We're going to riff. We're going to shoot the shit, okay? It's going to be a good one. I feel it. I feel it in my fingers. I feel it in my toes. So without further ado, let's go. Okay. All right. Check in with you guys in a second. All right. We're locked in. We are locked the F in. I'm with Brock Davies.
I'm going to go over to Brock's. We're going to hit the infrared sauna and... We're going to riff. We're going to shoot the shit, okay? It's going to be a good one. I feel it. I feel it in my fingers. I feel it in my toes. So without further ado, let's go. Okay. All right. Check in with you guys in a second. All right. We're locked in. We are locked the F in. I'm with Brock Davies.
But not everybody's going to come. Exactly. Which makes it a lot cheaper. And I'll tell you, when we went to Mexico, it actually was an affordable destination or wedding. Really crazy to think about that. But it really, I think for guests, it was what was it? $250 a night for two people? It was very affordable. And then outside of that, we had the whole service out there. You're using the U.S.
But not everybody's going to come. Exactly. Which makes it a lot cheaper. And I'll tell you, when we went to Mexico, it actually was an affordable destination or wedding. Really crazy to think about that. But it really, I think for guests, it was what was it? $250 a night for two people? It was very affordable. And then outside of that, we had the whole service out there. You're using the U.S.
dollar. I would recommend it. Definitely recommend it. But if not, if you're trying to figure out here locally, what would I do? I'd just do like two days. Like my buddy, I'm going to Cleveland, Ohio. But he's bringing three people. We've got a hotel for three days. And he's got different events throughout those three days. We're just meeting up. We're going to a baseball game.
dollar. I would recommend it. Definitely recommend it. But if not, if you're trying to figure out here locally, what would I do? I'd just do like two days. Like my buddy, I'm going to Cleveland, Ohio. But he's bringing three people. We've got a hotel for three days. And he's got different events throughout those three days. We're just meeting up. We're going to a baseball game.
We're going to this. We're going to that. For the wedding? For the wedding. Oh, I love that. It's like a three, four day thing in Cleveland, Ohio.
We're going to this. We're going to that. For the wedding? For the wedding. Oh, I love that. It's like a three, four day thing in Cleveland, Ohio.
It's a whole week of things to do in Cleveland, Ohio. I love love. I love weddings. I love going to weddings. Brock, am I ever going to get married again?
It's a whole week of things to do in Cleveland, Ohio. I love love. I love weddings. I love going to weddings. Brock, am I ever going to get married again?
Look, buddy, I think you should just stay on this fucking, this road for yourself of this, you know, detox, retox. I got one more in me.
Look, buddy, I think you should just stay on this fucking, this road for yourself of this, you know, detox, retox. I got one more in me.
I got one more wedding in me. I think this time, if I'm lucky enough to find another love and seal the deal, put a ring on it, I'm going to get, I'm going to have a very under, I'm going to go get married at the courthouse unless she wants the big, honestly, it's going to be up to her. But if she's okay with it, I'd like to have a very humble, chill wedding, you know, maybe get married at the wife.
I got one more wedding in me. I think this time, if I'm lucky enough to find another love and seal the deal, put a ring on it, I'm going to get, I'm going to have a very under, I'm going to go get married at the courthouse unless she wants the big, honestly, it's going to be up to her. But if she's okay with it, I'd like to have a very humble, chill wedding, you know, maybe get married at the wife.
Why are you sitting in the sauna?
Why are you sitting in the sauna?
headphones on doing a podcast hi sheena hi sheena um wait i don't know oh oh if she's cool with it i want to spend like all the money that i was going to spend on the wedding on like a prolonged like month-long two-month-long honeymoon or you could just buy like a house and start working on your dream home well there's that too yeah I'm actually working on a house right now.
headphones on doing a podcast hi sheena hi sheena um wait i don't know oh oh if she's cool with it i want to spend like all the money that i was going to spend on the wedding on like a prolonged like month-long two-month-long honeymoon or you could just buy like a house and start working on your dream home well there's that too yeah I'm actually working on a house right now.
It should be done in like a month and a half. I cannot wait. Yeah, tell us more about that. I mean, I don't know if anybody's interested in it. I've had this property I bought back in 2018. It's like 2.77 acres in Yulee, Florida, which is lovely. I have this idyllic little pond. It's beautiful. It's got bass, catfish in there. And I think one day, hopefully, I'm going to retire there.
It should be done in like a month and a half. I cannot wait. Yeah, tell us more about that. I mean, I don't know if anybody's interested in it. I've had this property I bought back in 2018. It's like 2.77 acres in Yulee, Florida, which is lovely. I have this idyllic little pond. It's beautiful. It's got bass, catfish in there. And I think one day, hopefully, I'm going to retire there.
But I'm building a little three-bedroom, two-bathroom. I'm not going to church it up. It's a trailer home.
But I'm building a little three-bedroom, two-bathroom. I'm not going to church it up. It's a trailer home.
it's a modular house but it's a beautiful one it's very it's kind of tropical yeah it's like a little key west beach house and i'm and i'm proud of it and i'm hyped my dad's gonna move in there i'm proud that you're proud of it and then we'll go down there we'll wrestle some alligators get him out of the pond while we build a deck brock the builder's gonna build me a deck yep um it's going down i'm really excited for that let's do it i'm excited just looking forward brother
it's a modular house but it's a beautiful one it's very it's kind of tropical yeah it's like a little key west beach house and i'm and i'm proud of it and i'm hyped my dad's gonna move in there i'm proud that you're proud of it and then we'll go down there we'll wrestle some alligators get him out of the pond while we build a deck brock the builder's gonna build me a deck yep um it's going down i'm really excited for that let's do it i'm excited just looking forward brother
Well, brother, look forward to this cold plunge. Well, the cold pull. So let's jump out of here. I'm proud of you for coming to work out with me this morning. I want to figure out how we can do this consistently, brother, because it takes a village. And for us to kind of get to where we want, you need help. You need support. You need someone to go through it with you.
Well, brother, look forward to this cold plunge. Well, the cold pull. So let's jump out of here. I'm proud of you for coming to work out with me this morning. I want to figure out how we can do this consistently, brother, because it takes a village. And for us to kind of get to where we want, you need help. You need support. You need someone to go through it with you.
So thanks for going through the workout with me this morning and getting in here with me today.
So thanks for going through the workout with me this morning and getting in here with me today.
Wait, before we take the plunge, just like for someone out there who's listening, who's like cannot get out of their not working out rut. Can you give like one little simple tidbit or piece of advice?
Wait, before we take the plunge, just like for someone out there who's listening, who's like cannot get out of their not working out rut. Can you give like one little simple tidbit or piece of advice?
Like just. Yeah. The easiest way to get started is to create consistency. And so don't set the bar high. Like I'm going to do a workout every day. Just set the standard that I'm going to get up 10 minutes before I'm meant to get up and I'm going to go for a walk around the block and just fast pace that walk. Just around the block is great. One block. It could be 10 minutes. One block.
Like just. Yeah. The easiest way to get started is to create consistency. And so don't set the bar high. Like I'm going to do a workout every day. Just set the standard that I'm going to get up 10 minutes before I'm meant to get up and I'm going to go for a walk around the block and just fast pace that walk. Just around the block is great. One block. It could be 10 minutes. One block.
Because all you're doing to yourself is reaffirming that you can do something. Habitually. And so bring it down to the most macular. I'm going to get up in the morning and I'm going to go and physically, physically do 100 push-ups. Or if you can't do 100 push-ups, do five push-ups. I can't do 100 straight. I can do like 40. My goal is 100 in a day.
Because all you're doing to yourself is reaffirming that you can do something. Habitually. And so bring it down to the most macular. I'm going to get up in the morning and I'm going to go and physically, physically do 100 push-ups. Or if you can't do 100 push-ups, do five push-ups. I can't do 100 straight. I can do like 40. My goal is 100 in a day.
So I get up in the morning and do 50, then 50 crunches, and then in the evening, I'll do 50 and 50. Now, I say I have to do that, but I haven't done that every day yet because I'm not consistent with it. It's too big of a number. But just start with a walk. And you guys. There we go.
So I get up in the morning and do 50, then 50 crunches, and then in the evening, I'll do 50 and 50. Now, I say I have to do that, but I haven't done that every day yet because I'm not consistent with it. It's too big of a number. But just start with a walk. And you guys. There we go.
You guys, celebrate your win. Okay, yeah. Who cares? You walk 10 minutes.
You guys, celebrate your win. Okay, yeah. Who cares? You walk 10 minutes.
No, celebrate that. Give yourself a pat on the back. So guys, jump on board. So look it up. It's called 75 Hard.
No, celebrate that. Give yourself a pat on the back. So guys, jump on board. So look it up. It's called 75 Hard.
different concepts around it but it's just picking something to do for 75 days every day and so I'm going to do it so I'm opening this up to you Schwartzy you're scaring people I know just enough about the 75 hard it's scary but we're just going to soften it you're going to pick one thing to do for 75 days what if it's drink beer then it's definitely not going to be a very motivational or anything to do with adding value to your life I'm kidding if you were going to drink beer for 75 days though what beer would it be
different concepts around it but it's just picking something to do for 75 days every day and so I'm going to do it so I'm opening this up to you Schwartzy you're scaring people I know just enough about the 75 hard it's scary but we're just going to soften it you're going to pick one thing to do for 75 days what if it's drink beer then it's definitely not going to be a very motivational or anything to do with adding value to your life I'm kidding if you were going to drink beer for 75 days though what beer would it be
a light beer just kidding all right let's let's get after it bro all right baby well done fam if you guys are interested in following me hit me up on brock it's just brock yeah b-r-o-c-k yeah on the gram and by the way it's not we're just getting started you guys stick with us here yeah listen we have we've got until summer to get our bodies ready baby all right we'll pick up in a second guys
a light beer just kidding all right let's let's get after it bro all right baby well done fam if you guys are interested in following me hit me up on brock it's just brock yeah b-r-o-c-k yeah on the gram and by the way it's not we're just getting started you guys stick with us here yeah listen we have we've got until summer to get our bodies ready baby all right we'll pick up in a second guys
Brock the Builder. What's up, bro? What up, baby? Can we get a g'day, legends?
Brock the Builder. What's up, bro? What up, baby? Can we get a g'day, legends?
guys i just had to capture this on audio there's no video so i think it's okay brock is he's sunning his uh perineum his balls and his asshole he said i can't take a picture but i just want to document this via audio sorry for the bad audio quality by the way it's a little echoey in there but we were literally in the infrared brock benefits of tanning your asshole
guys i just had to capture this on audio there's no video so i think it's okay brock is he's sunning his uh perineum his balls and his asshole he said i can't take a picture but i just want to document this via audio sorry for the bad audio quality by the way it's a little echoey in there but we were literally in the infrared brock benefits of tanning your asshole
well sunning boosts blood flow and increases testosterone so it's a great way they've actually done a study on this bad boy uv rays they did sectionals on the chest on the back on the uh downstairs area and turned out it's more beneficial absorption from uh 15 minutes in the sun every day
well sunning boosts blood flow and increases testosterone so it's a great way they've actually done a study on this bad boy uv rays they did sectionals on the chest on the back on the uh downstairs area and turned out it's more beneficial absorption from uh 15 minutes in the sun every day
Mind you, I thought he was fully kidding. He is sitting with his legs elevated like he's ready to have his diaper changed right now. He's in the happy baby yoga position. I kind of wish we had video right now. Whatever happened to chopping wood? Listen, in the Midwest, we chop wood. In L.A., we tan our assholes. All right, all right.
Mind you, I thought he was fully kidding. He is sitting with his legs elevated like he's ready to have his diaper changed right now. He's in the happy baby yoga position. I kind of wish we had video right now. Whatever happened to chopping wood? Listen, in the Midwest, we chop wood. In L.A., we tan our assholes. All right, all right.
G'day, legends? Yes. G'day, legends. Welcome back. Man. How are you, bro? But I am ecstatic. I have been struggling to be motivated to get out there and get back into the workout space. And I appreciate you coming over and getting a workout in with me.
G'day, legends? Yes. G'day, legends. Welcome back. Man. How are you, bro? But I am ecstatic. I have been struggling to be motivated to get out there and get back into the workout space. And I appreciate you coming over and getting a workout in with me.
Try it. You got to give it a go.
Try it. You got to give it a go.
All right. No, we're going to switch it to. All right, baby. We'll pick right back up, guys. We're going to do a cold plunge with you. Okay, guys, I thought that was just going to be a little gimmick segment. He's actually tanning his asshole. And you know what? This is a very experiential podcast. I'm going to talk you through it. I'm laying on my back in his AstroTurf backyard.
All right. No, we're going to switch it to. All right, baby. We'll pick right back up, guys. We're going to do a cold plunge with you. Okay, guys, I thought that was just going to be a little gimmick segment. He's actually tanning his asshole. And you know what? This is a very experiential podcast. I'm going to talk you through it. I'm laying on my back in his AstroTurf backyard.
Neighbors aren't going to see.
Neighbors aren't going to see.
Okay, now what you're gonna do is just put the microphone on your chest, okay? And then now you're just gonna go into like happy baby pose.
Okay, now what you're gonna do is just put the microphone on your chest, okay? And then now you're just gonna go into like happy baby pose.
All right, perfect. And just let the sun do its job. Do you feel anything?
All right, perfect. And just let the sun do its job. Do you feel anything?
It's definitely a vulnerable position.
It's definitely a vulnerable position.
Legs up. I'm not joking.
Legs up. I'm not joking.
You've got to commit.
You've got to commit.
No one's looking.
No one's looking.
That's fine, bro.
That's fine, bro.
Brocky, can we do a little cold plunge 101? Yeah. Yeah? Oh, sorry. He's putting his pants back on.
Brocky, can we do a little cold plunge 101? Yeah. Yeah? Oh, sorry. He's putting his pants back on.
This is how you start a podcast.
This is how you start a podcast.
The past two years have been rough. You just did an extra one and no one else has tanned their asses. You just got one up on them, okay?
The past two years have been rough. You just did an extra one and no one else has tanned their asses. You just got one up on them, okay?
Well, I don't know if you guys know this. We've seen a little bit of it on the show, but you are a great motivational speaker. You're like an undercover life coach.
Well, I don't know if you guys know this. We've seen a little bit of it on the show, but you are a great motivational speaker. You're like an undercover life coach.
Yeah, I love we had that.
Yeah, I love we had that.
You guys. All right, we're going to fire up the cold plunge and we'll come right back to you guys in a second. Fuck you, baby.
You guys. All right, we're going to fire up the cold plunge and we'll come right back to you guys in a second. Fuck you, baby.
Let's go.
Let's go.
Usually I nerd out in the beginning, but we're going to nerd out a little halfway through here.
Usually I nerd out in the beginning, but we're going to nerd out a little halfway through here.
Yeah, well, I'm glad you enjoyed your sunning experience.
Yeah, well, I'm glad you enjoyed your sunning experience.
Thank you. You guys, by the way, there's a term for it. I actually knew it. It was called perineum sunning. Apparently, it can help with increased energy, libido, hormonal regulation, risks and concerns, sunburn, skin damage.
Thank you. You guys, by the way, there's a term for it. I actually knew it. It was called perineum sunning. Apparently, it can help with increased energy, libido, hormonal regulation, risks and concerns, sunburn, skin damage.
Yeah, I would not recommend putting some baby oil on down there and then just perching up. But I would also recommend, there's a lot of easy way to do it, as I showed you. You could do it when you're at the hotel, if you're traveling. My go-to is traveling, and your hotel is facing the ocean or nobody else.
Yeah, I would not recommend putting some baby oil on down there and then just perching up. But I would also recommend, there's a lot of easy way to do it, as I showed you. You could do it when you're at the hotel, if you're traveling. My go-to is traveling, and your hotel is facing the ocean or nobody else.
You can go out there when it peaks on, you sit back on your porch chair, you cock a leg up on the armrest, fire.
You can go out there when it peaks on, you sit back on your porch chair, you cock a leg up on the armrest, fire.
Are you guys writing this down, by the way?
Are you guys writing this down, by the way?
It works. Give it a go. Let me know.
It works. Give it a go. Let me know.
Okay.
Okay.
All right, we're back, baby. So it wasn't the infrared. It wasn't the ocean. You just packed your cables poorly. Yes, I did. I can see. Where are we now, Brock? All right, let's keep everyone on this crazy train. So you're coming over. You're on this self-exploration. Yes. So you came to the house, and we got a great workout in.
All right, we're back, baby. So it wasn't the infrared. It wasn't the ocean. You just packed your cables poorly. Yes, I did. I can see. Where are we now, Brock? All right, let's keep everyone on this crazy train. So you're coming over. You're on this self-exploration. Yes. So you came to the house, and we got a great workout in.
We did.
We did.
Listen, I think I need a life coach, but I would prefer to just take the approach of I just see the best in everything. You really do.
Listen, I think I need a life coach, but I would prefer to just take the approach of I just see the best in everything. You really do.
Included in that was kind of like a HIIT-style workout. Yeah. We then jumped in the sauna. You're at 170 for 20 minutes. Phenomenal experience, and we are now sitting in the plunge, a.k.a. our pool. It's at probably 58 degrees. With Proximus the Builder, who built this backyard. It's beautiful, by the way.
Included in that was kind of like a HIIT-style workout. Yeah. We then jumped in the sauna. You're at 170 for 20 minutes. Phenomenal experience, and we are now sitting in the plunge, a.k.a. our pool. It's at probably 58 degrees. With Proximus the Builder, who built this backyard. It's beautiful, by the way.
We did majority of the backyard. That's for sure. Thanks, brother. I know Sheena was skeptical at first. Before you embarked on your DIY journey, she was skeptical.
We did majority of the backyard. That's for sure. Thanks, brother. I know Sheena was skeptical at first. Before you embarked on your DIY journey, she was skeptical.
Do you remember? Of course I remember. I'm married to her, brother. Okay? She's skeptical of everything. I'm like, oh, if we could do that. Can you do that? I mean, no, but I'd rather try. That's the spirit.
Do you remember? Of course I remember. I'm married to her, brother. Okay? She's skeptical of everything. I'm like, oh, if we could do that. Can you do that? I mean, no, but I'd rather try. That's the spirit.
Honestly, that's the spirit. YouTube University.
Honestly, that's the spirit. YouTube University.
YouTube University. Give it a go. You never know. Give it a go. You never know. Rocky, baby. Can we reflect on VPR for a second? Okay, let's do it. Just a little bit. Well, I mean, for you, bro, that was your whole adult life. I mean, it was most of it. I think my frontal lobe developed maybe at the end. At the very end, it developed.
YouTube University. Give it a go. You never know. Give it a go. You never know. Rocky, baby. Can we reflect on VPR for a second? Okay, let's do it. Just a little bit. Well, I mean, for you, bro, that was your whole adult life. I mean, it was most of it. I think my frontal lobe developed maybe at the end. At the very end, it developed.
Wait, wait, wait. How far into it did you realize you reached final form?
Wait, wait, wait. How far into it did you realize you reached final form?
I think, honestly, as much as it tore my life apart, Schwartz and Sandy's gave me grit and just courage. I know that sounds ridiculous, but it really kind of shaped me into the man I am today.
I think, honestly, as much as it tore my life apart, Schwartz and Sandy's gave me grit and just courage. I know that sounds ridiculous, but it really kind of shaped me into the man I am today.
I mean, you were forced into a corner, and you guys had to figure out. Which is coming out of the pandemic.
I mean, you were forced into a corner, and you guys had to figure out. Which is coming out of the pandemic.
Yeah, that was already a hustle as well. Yeah, exactly. But we did it, and I'm better because of it. Get down a little bit. No, get down a little bit. There you go. I'm better because of it. And by the way, you know what? I had a realization on the way over here. Talk to me. I think you and Sheena are the last remaining couple of Vanderpump Boys.
Yeah, that was already a hustle as well. Yeah, exactly. But we did it, and I'm better because of it. Get down a little bit. No, get down a little bit. There you go. I'm better because of it. And by the way, you know what? I had a realization on the way over here. Talk to me. I think you and Sheena are the last remaining couple of Vanderpump Boys.
Yeah. You got the rose-colored lenses on.
Yeah. You got the rose-colored lenses on.
Well, we had a late start to that bad boy. OK, don't ruin it. Don't ruin it, Brock. No, listen, I think coming into the group, I think you guys are already a well-established friend group, right? You guys have years of just cattiness and kind of relationship building, relationship tearing down. A lot of love. But this is the thing, like you guys live in a world that no one else can relate to.
Well, we had a late start to that bad boy. OK, don't ruin it. Don't ruin it, Brock. No, listen, I think coming into the group, I think you guys are already a well-established friend group, right? You guys have years of just cattiness and kind of relationship building, relationship tearing down. A lot of love. But this is the thing, like you guys live in a world that no one else can relate to.
Yeah, yeah. I had laser surgery. They're in there.
Yeah, yeah. I had laser surgery. They're in there.
You live your life and then you watch yourself live your life, which is insane kind of concept. And in the moment, kind of like living it, just like, damn, this is our life. So coming in as a late adopter, I could only imagine 12 years. It's a very unique experience.
You live your life and then you watch yourself live your life, which is insane kind of concept. And in the moment, kind of like living it, just like, damn, this is our life. So coming in as a late adopter, I could only imagine 12 years. It's a very unique experience.
We're tried and tested. Yeah. We are. We're doing the damn thing.
We're tried and tested. Yeah. We are. We're doing the damn thing.
You know what's even more of a unique experience? Being hated by the entire Bravo audience. We're not going to go there. Pretty sure I felt that for a second. No, I was in there. I was in there for a while. But I think it's usually, honestly, I think it's more accountability, you guys. You guys held us accountable. Rocky Baby, you know what else? How do you feel about the way,
You know what's even more of a unique experience? Being hated by the entire Bravo audience. We're not going to go there. Pretty sure I felt that for a second. No, I was in there. I was in there for a while. But I think it's usually, honestly, I think it's more accountability, you guys. You guys held us accountable. Rocky Baby, you know what else? How do you feel about the way,
vpr ended by the way you guys i'm not dwelling in the past i'm at peace with the show ending how do you feel about the way the show ended do you feel like we could have went more seasons listen i think you guys your friend group our friend group that i came into is something special yeah you don't have those personalities and that is confidence you guys had confidence in yourself to an extent maybe maybe not you some of us
vpr ended by the way you guys i'm not dwelling in the past i'm at peace with the show ending how do you feel about the way the show ended do you feel like we could have went more seasons listen i think you guys your friend group our friend group that i came into is something special yeah you don't have those personalities and that is confidence you guys had confidence in yourself to an extent maybe maybe not you some of us
but but you guys built your personalities based on kind of living your authentic self or trying to be asked be asked to live your authentic self so i think you guys have plenty in you like i'm i'm forecasting the reunions like when we do family vacation mode when that rolls in in 10 years hopefully there's enough water who knows what the future holds for everybody but I mean, how do you feel?
but but you guys built your personalities based on kind of living your authentic self or trying to be asked be asked to live your authentic self so i think you guys have plenty in you like i'm i'm forecasting the reunions like when we do family vacation mode when that rolls in in 10 years hopefully there's enough water who knows what the future holds for everybody but I mean, how do you feel?
What are we doing right now, Brock? Well, right now we're sitting in our infrared sauna, our five-person infrared sauna. And I love it. We get in here a couple of times a week, the wife and I. And the goal of this is just, you know, put your body under a bit of stress, external stress, and then mentally just kind of check away. But all of this is in good health.
What are we doing right now, Brock? Well, right now we're sitting in our infrared sauna, our five-person infrared sauna. And I love it. We get in here a couple of times a week, the wife and I. And the goal of this is just, you know, put your body under a bit of stress, external stress, and then mentally just kind of check away. But all of this is in good health.
That's wild.
That's wild.
At first, I mean, it was like my entire life was Vanderpump Rules and Schwartz and Sandys. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I had a vision for the future. Like we wanted to scale in the beginning. We were talking about licensing and all this. And then, you know, it all kind of went up in flames in back-to-back days because we decided we announced the closure of Schwartz and Sandys.
At first, I mean, it was like my entire life was Vanderpump Rules and Schwartz and Sandys. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I had a vision for the future. Like we wanted to scale in the beginning. We were talking about licensing and all this. And then, you know, it all kind of went up in flames in back-to-back days because we decided we announced the closure of Schwartz and Sandys.
By the way, you guys, I know we've gone over this, but I'm just riffing with Brock. I'm catching up. We announced the closure of Schwartz and Sandys. The next day, they announced Vanderpump Rules would not be coming back with the OG cast. And it was just like, wait, that's like my whole life, man. At the moment, it felt like that. It's not my whole life, but it felt cataclysmic.
By the way, you guys, I know we've gone over this, but I'm just riffing with Brock. I'm catching up. We announced the closure of Schwartz and Sandys. The next day, they announced Vanderpump Rules would not be coming back with the OG cast. And it was just like, wait, that's like my whole life, man. At the moment, it felt like that. It's not my whole life, but it felt cataclysmic.
That was the next day?
That was the next day?
Yeah, the next day, back to back.
Yeah, the next day, back to back.
Because no one else knew anything either, right? We all just assumed, oh, well, we're going to pick cameras up, see what the summer has to hold.
Because no one else knew anything either, right? We all just assumed, oh, well, we're going to pick cameras up, see what the summer has to hold.
Yeah, we thought we were going to do an abbreviated season.
Yeah, we thought we were going to do an abbreviated season.
Right, yeah, just like final, yeah. Well, can I tell you that this is my logic behind it. It makes sense to. To pull the pin now makes the most sense because you have such a huge fan base already, pre-existing, but the new audience you guys adapted was like 30%, 40% growth. Yeah. So those late adopters aren't committed to the original cast.
Right, yeah, just like final, yeah. Well, can I tell you that this is my logic behind it. It makes sense to. To pull the pin now makes the most sense because you have such a huge fan base already, pre-existing, but the new audience you guys adapted was like 30%, 40% growth. Yeah. So those late adopters aren't committed to the original cast.
They're just committed to this crazy group of the structure. So on the business side of things, when that came out, I was like, damn, they really did just pull the pin. I wish them luck with it. But what I see now on TV is in the reality space is that People act like they're on reality TV. They're too self-aware. Constant feedback loop. Constant feedback loop.
They're just committed to this crazy group of the structure. So on the business side of things, when that came out, I was like, damn, they really did just pull the pin. I wish them luck with it. But what I see now on TV is in the reality space is that People act like they're on reality TV. They're too self-aware. Constant feedback loop. Constant feedback loop.
It's disastrous for suspending reality.
It's disastrous for suspending reality.
It's definitely hard. It's definitely hard. Like, I know Sheena battles with, like, dealing with, like, the online feedback and then kind of, like, making the right choices, you know? But these newcomers into TV, I mean, maybe this is them baring their soul, but they're crazy. They just say wild stuff all the time. Like, The Bachelor and Bachelorette. Those guys aren't after love. Mm-hmm.
It's definitely hard. It's definitely hard. Like, I know Sheena battles with, like, dealing with, like, the online feedback and then kind of, like, making the right choices, you know? But these newcomers into TV, I mean, maybe this is them baring their soul, but they're crazy. They just say wild stuff all the time. Like, The Bachelor and Bachelorette. Those guys aren't after love. Mm-hmm.
I think a select few. This is the idealistic Schwartz. But for the most part, a lot of them want to transition out of that and become influencers and make a lot of money. Good for them. Good for them. I will say one of my favorite. Listen, I was kind of sad about the way it ended. You know, we were no longer a family.
I think a select few. This is the idealistic Schwartz. But for the most part, a lot of them want to transition out of that and become influencers and make a lot of money. Good for them. Good for them. I will say one of my favorite. Listen, I was kind of sad about the way it ended. You know, we were no longer a family.
But, like, one of my favorite moments, there's, like, this little gif that's, like, playing in my head at any given time. And it's you dancing in a gold suit in San Francisco. I have a question that I wanted to ask you that I'm so happy that we're recording right now. I've never asked you. Was that Napoleon Dynamite-esque? Did you rehearse? Or is that off-the-cuff improvisation?
But, like, one of my favorite moments, there's, like, this little gif that's, like, playing in my head at any given time. And it's you dancing in a gold suit in San Francisco. I have a question that I wanted to ask you that I'm so happy that we're recording right now. I've never asked you. Was that Napoleon Dynamite-esque? Did you rehearse? Or is that off-the-cuff improvisation?
Well, do you know how, like, you have... Sheena will tell you. I have these... dance moves in the pocket. You have moves. There's like a couple in there that come out, the hip thrust, like the, yeah, the pause and the go. Yeah, they're in the wallet. We just bust them out. I do just try and see life as that. It's life. And, you know, you have two ways to react to an issue or something.
Well, do you know how, like, you have... Sheena will tell you. I have these... dance moves in the pocket. You have moves. There's like a couple in there that come out, the hip thrust, like the, yeah, the pause and the go. Yeah, they're in the wallet. We just bust them out. I do just try and see life as that. It's life. And, you know, you have two ways to react to an issue or something.
And I'm not usually choosing the right side all the time. I'm very much passionate in my choice. I'm not really logical with it. But that's the bolts of it, bro, is who cares?
And I'm not usually choosing the right side all the time. I'm very much passionate in my choice. I'm not really logical with it. But that's the bolts of it, bro, is who cares?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, come on. Like, do we really want, like, I apologize. And maybe it's, you know, people call me an asshole because I kind of don't care like that. I'm like, I apologize if I offend you.
Like, come on. Like, do we really want, like, I apologize. And maybe it's, you know, people call me an asshole because I kind of don't care like that. I'm like, I apologize if I offend you.
Well, you're fiercely defensive of your wife and the mother of your child. How did you hold up when she, like, I feel like everyone turned on her for a while, but I feel like she's back in the good graces of the audience. I see a lot of love for Sheena online lately, a lot of love.
Well, you're fiercely defensive of your wife and the mother of your child. How did you hold up when she, like, I feel like everyone turned on her for a while, but I feel like she's back in the good graces of the audience. I see a lot of love for Sheena online lately, a lot of love.
Yes, in good health. And last time I was in here, it was, and I'm not being melodramatic, it was cinematic.
Yes, in good health. And last time I was in here, it was, and I'm not being melodramatic, it was cinematic.
And I think for her, and I can't speak to her about this because she is struggling with her mental health often, you know, she's... Now, now, especially now that she's working with the right people and she's supporting, she's going to Boston this weekend, she leaves tonight for the OCD foundation. So she's kind of surrounded herself with supportive people. So you can see that change in somebody.
And I think for her, and I can't speak to her about this because she is struggling with her mental health often, you know, she's... Now, now, especially now that she's working with the right people and she's supporting, she's going to Boston this weekend, she leaves tonight for the OCD foundation. So she's kind of surrounded herself with supportive people. So you can see that change in somebody.
And I do see that in her, but like, I mean, imagine coming onto an existing group of friends and then trying to force her way in there, you know? And that was where I got, like, I'm always there for the underdog.
And I do see that in her, but like, I mean, imagine coming onto an existing group of friends and then trying to force her way in there, you know? And that was where I got, like, I'm always there for the underdog.
And then I fell in love with the underdog, and I was like, okay, what's your world like? I was like, oh, they're coming at you like that? Let's go. Listen, she's Lady Gaga's favorite. Oh, my God. That is tough. It's wild to think that you guys, but it's not. You guys have done this for so long. You guys were unapologetically yourselves. You put yourselves out there like, wait, like no other.
And then I fell in love with the underdog, and I was like, okay, what's your world like? I was like, oh, they're coming at you like that? Let's go. Listen, she's Lady Gaga's favorite. Oh, my God. That is tough. It's wild to think that you guys, but it's not. You guys have done this for so long. You guys were unapologetically yourselves. You put yourselves out there like, wait, like no other.
It's insane. And a normal person would probably say, nah, I like my privacy.
It's insane. And a normal person would probably say, nah, I like my privacy.
Yeah, that's why I give props to almost anyone who does reality TV and commits to the bit, bears their soul. Commit to the bit. Yeah, and really, really bears their soul. I give you all the props in the world. You guys, well, first of all, like lately, listen, I see you guys a decent amount, but you guys just look fucking happy together.
Yeah, that's why I give props to almost anyone who does reality TV and commits to the bit, bears their soul. Commit to the bit. Yeah, and really, really bears their soul. I give you all the props in the world. You guys, well, first of all, like lately, listen, I see you guys a decent amount, but you guys just look fucking happy together.
It was fucking cinematic, you guys. We were listening to some epic Hans Zimmer-esque music. Can you sort of give us a little description of what we did last time?
It was fucking cinematic, you guys. We were listening to some epic Hans Zimmer-esque music. Can you sort of give us a little description of what we did last time?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
You guys know you are happy together. You guys seem like you're thriving right now.
You guys know you are happy together. You guys seem like you're thriving right now.
We thrive. We have our every arguments, the standard stuff. But the reality of it is, it's like, what are we really going to get upset about? We are very fortunate and we have an amazing family. We have a healthy family. Beautiful home. And we have opportunities to do more. And that's the fun stuff that we're looking into into the future. That's kind of where I get excited.
We thrive. We have our every arguments, the standard stuff. But the reality of it is, it's like, what are we really going to get upset about? We are very fortunate and we have an amazing family. We have a healthy family. Beautiful home. And we have opportunities to do more. And that's the fun stuff that we're looking into into the future. That's kind of where I get excited.
Sheena gets scared about thinking about the future because you guys have gone...
Sheena gets scared about thinking about the future because you guys have gone...
12 years in a career where you don't know if you have a job next year are you kidding me it wreaks havoc on the nervous system it just like it's embedded it's like it's a downloadable virus and every year and and when i first felt i was like that's crazy and now i'm living it i'm like this is crazy it's the best job ever but yes there is a little bit of anxiety at the end of each season you know what i mean you're like do i have a job when we come back you never know you never know
12 years in a career where you don't know if you have a job next year are you kidding me it wreaks havoc on the nervous system it just like it's embedded it's like it's a downloadable virus and every year and and when i first felt i was like that's crazy and now i'm living it i'm like this is crazy it's the best job ever but yes there is a little bit of anxiety at the end of each season you know what i mean you're like do i have a job when we come back you never know you never know
I mean, maybe after a few seasons, we knew it was in the bag, but for the most part, we never really knew whether or not we were gonna have a job.
I mean, maybe after a few seasons, we knew it was in the bag, but for the most part, we never really knew whether or not we were gonna have a job.
Well, right, because once it was in the bag, then it was like, okay, how does this continue? And then we thought, I thought, I don't know, you guys, we'll have a farewell season, there'll be the future. And it was just a hard, all right, we're recasting, went to that transition. And I'm okay with it. Makes sense, on paper, makes sense. It really does.
Well, right, because once it was in the bag, then it was like, okay, how does this continue? And then we thought, I thought, I don't know, you guys, we'll have a farewell season, there'll be the future. And it was just a hard, all right, we're recasting, went to that transition. And I'm okay with it. Makes sense, on paper, makes sense. It really does.
And plus, nobody works at Vanderpump Rules anyway.
And plus, nobody works at Vanderpump Rules anyway.
Well, I'm at TomTom, and you guys, I host brunches on Saturdays. That's correct. Come hang out with me. I love that for you. I love that. I love that. I see you and Sheena. You guys are such good parents, but I love that you guys still take time for yourselves as a couple and go to like fucking stagecoach. You go to Coachella. You're not party animals. You're not club rats.
Well, I'm at TomTom, and you guys, I host brunches on Saturdays. That's correct. Come hang out with me. I love that for you. I love that. I love that. I see you and Sheena. You guys are such good parents, but I love that you guys still take time for yourselves as a couple and go to like fucking stagecoach. You go to Coachella. You're not party animals. You're not club rats.
Yes. Well, look, I think setting the standard, like setting the scene, like our mind is so capable of doing so much more than the box we put it in. And so listening to that type of music, Empire of the Sun is kind of, I think that's one of the song titles I used to listen to. But just kind of going back to music and the theatrical impact it can have on somebody's senses.
Yes. Well, look, I think setting the standard, like setting the scene, like our mind is so capable of doing so much more than the box we put it in. And so listening to that type of music, Empire of the Sun is kind of, I think that's one of the song titles I used to listen to. But just kind of going back to music and the theatrical impact it can have on somebody's senses.
But every once in a while, we love to take a nice moment for yourself.
But every once in a while, we love to take a nice moment for yourself.
Yeah. A mental health sabbatical. Yeah.
Yeah. A mental health sabbatical. Yeah.
I love that. Honestly, that's a couple goals for me.
I love that. Honestly, that's a couple goals for me.
I think you've got to find a way to fill your cup. I think we can do better at it, and I want to do better at it. But once you start, I mean, look, it's tough planning. My wife will say she doesn't have enough time in the day, but you ask me, we don't have enough time in the day to do everything, but we'll try.
I think you've got to find a way to fill your cup. I think we can do better at it, and I want to do better at it. But once you start, I mean, look, it's tough planning. My wife will say she doesn't have enough time in the day, but you ask me, we don't have enough time in the day to do everything, but we'll try.
I love that. Rocky, baby, we were going to do a cold plunge, but the cold plunge is out of commission right now. We're just chilling leisurely in the pool. So I was going to do like these rapid, fast-paced questions while you were in the cold plunge. All right. They're not going to hit the same in the pool. We're so leisurely. We just suntanned our assholes. But should I go for it anyways?
I love that. Rocky, baby, we were going to do a cold plunge, but the cold plunge is out of commission right now. We're just chilling leisurely in the pool. So I was going to do like these rapid, fast-paced questions while you were in the cold plunge. All right. They're not going to hit the same in the pool. We're so leisurely. We just suntanned our assholes. But should I go for it anyways?
Let's do it. Rapid fire.
Let's do it. Rapid fire.
I usually don't do these. Rapid fire.
I usually don't do these. Rapid fire.
I don't do gimmicks on the pod, but for you in the cold plunge, I thought it'd be fun. Perfect. Should we do it? Yeah. Okay. Rugby or reality TV?
I don't do gimmicks on the pod, but for you in the cold plunge, I thought it'd be fun. Perfect. Should we do it? Yeah. Okay. Rugby or reality TV?
Rugby.
Rugby.
Marmite or Vegemite?
Marmite or Vegemite?
Marmite.
Marmite.
Briefs or budgie smugglers?
Briefs or budgie smugglers?
Budgies.
Budgies.
Okay, this is a big one. Ten fingers or nine fingers? Ten fingers, brother. All right, this is another one. This is topical. Peeing on the grass or peeing on the wall? Peeing on... That's an inside joke.
Okay, this is a big one. Ten fingers or nine fingers? Ten fingers, brother. All right, this is another one. This is topical. Peeing on the grass or peeing on the wall? Peeing on... That's an inside joke.
I got the joke. No, I got it. It went straight through me. I was like, yeah, well... the tree would be an ideal position to pay.
I got the joke. No, I got it. It went straight through me. I was like, yeah, well... the tree would be an ideal position to pay.
By the way, I know there's a human cost here, but it's a great ongoing series. I love watching your trials and tribulations.
By the way, I know there's a human cost here, but it's a great ongoing series. I love watching your trials and tribulations.
So can I tell you, I am going to set up a camera. No. Yeah, because it's just going to be iconic. Everyone wants to see it. Everyone wants to see what's going on. Now I do, and I'm at a point where I'm going to hire an IT guy to come out And we're going to put piss pads on all four of the columns. And so it's censored of like water they'll spray. And we're not going to shame the puppies.
So can I tell you, I am going to set up a camera. No. Yeah, because it's just going to be iconic. Everyone wants to see it. Everyone wants to see what's going on. Now I do, and I'm at a point where I'm going to hire an IT guy to come out And we're going to put piss pads on all four of the columns. And so it's censored of like water they'll spray. And we're not going to shame the puppies.
We'll shame the owners. No, no. It's a sprinkler system for the owners to run away. The puppies are fine. Okay, yeah. I was going to, you know, everyone was against the electrocution. I got it. It wasn't their fault. It's the owner's fault. So we're going to put.
We'll shame the owners. No, no. It's a sprinkler system for the owners to run away. The puppies are fine. Okay, yeah. I was going to, you know, everyone was against the electrocution. I got it. It wasn't their fault. It's the owner's fault. So we're going to put.
sprinkler systems on all four points of the front yard and they'll all turn on there were talks of uh electrocution at some point that's kind of draconian there yeah that's the farmer boy in me yeah it's not the animal's fault and i realized looking around la it's not the animal's fault it's the owner's fault can i ask you an eye roll question yeah what's the fastest you've ever hung a tv
sprinkler systems on all four points of the front yard and they'll all turn on there were talks of uh electrocution at some point that's kind of draconian there yeah that's the farmer boy in me yeah it's not the animal's fault and i realized looking around la it's not the animal's fault it's the owner's fault can i ask you an eye roll question yeah what's the fastest you've ever hung a tv
I mean, when I did it on timer, I didn't even hit any studs and it fell off the wall.
I mean, when I did it on timer, I didn't even hit any studs and it fell off the wall.
I'm not going to say who made me ask that, but you just ruined the whole podcast.
I'm not going to say who made me ask that, but you just ruined the whole podcast.
Wait, way to make it about that guy. All right. Crop top wedding dresses, yes or no? Listen, if that's what she's feeling, that's fine by me. At least she made a choice, okay? And I'd rather her make a choice than do something that everybody else wants her to do.
Wait, way to make it about that guy. All right. Crop top wedding dresses, yes or no? Listen, if that's what she's feeling, that's fine by me. At least she made a choice, okay? And I'd rather her make a choice than do something that everybody else wants her to do.
Honestly, I commend her for going for it.
Honestly, I commend her for going for it.
I like people who take chances and go big. You know what I mean? She made a choice, and that was her choice.
I like people who take chances and go big. You know what I mean? She made a choice, and that was her choice.
You guys, this is one of my go-to pieces of advice. Better a life of oh-wells than what-ifs. What if I didn't wear a crop top at my wedding? Would the world be the same? Butterfly effect.
You guys, this is one of my go-to pieces of advice. Better a life of oh-wells than what-ifs. What if I didn't wear a crop top at my wedding? Would the world be the same? Butterfly effect.
No, it's a solid question to ask.
No, it's a solid question to ask.
Do you watch a decent amount of Bravo? What's your favorite show on Bravo?
Do you watch a decent amount of Bravo? What's your favorite show on Bravo?
I will come in on Summer House just because we've grown to love those guys. I fucking love those guys. And I see you pop up randomly. I'm like, honey, when can I go up there and unleash? Like, put me at Winter House. I will be king of that mountain.
I will come in on Summer House just because we've grown to love those guys. I fucking love those guys. And I see you pop up randomly. I'm like, honey, when can I go up there and unleash? Like, put me at Winter House. I will be king of that mountain.
We've got to get there. I mean, look, just fly me in for a weekend. It'll be a party, and I'm out.
We've got to get there. I mean, look, just fly me in for a weekend. It'll be a party, and I'm out.
I mean, yeah. Yeah. You're like, okay.
I mean, yeah. Yeah. You're like, okay.
Okay, twist my arm. I'm going to remind you guys, I thought Brock would be in the cold plunge, like fighting for his life. So these aren't as funny as we're chilling. But Brock, how hot am I on a scale from 1 to 10?
Okay, twist my arm. I'm going to remind you guys, I thought Brock would be in the cold plunge, like fighting for his life. So these aren't as funny as we're chilling. But Brock, how hot am I on a scale from 1 to 10?
And if you listen to it without the words, it allows your mind to get creative with what the feeling is that comes through.
And if you listen to it without the words, it allows your mind to get creative with what the feeling is that comes through.
You've got this look in your eyes, so it puts you at like a seven and a half. It's the character building for me that you're working on, which can inflate you and get you up to that eight level. That's constructive. It's constructive. I'm not going to, yeah. I feel so at peace with the 7.5. No, but you've got room to grow. You haven't hit the floor. You're not at the ceiling yet.
You've got this look in your eyes, so it puts you at like a seven and a half. It's the character building for me that you're working on, which can inflate you and get you up to that eight level. That's constructive. It's constructive. I'm not going to, yeah. I feel so at peace with the 7.5. No, but you've got room to grow. You haven't hit the floor. You're not at the ceiling yet.
I don't know if you know this, but Brock kind of moonlights as my life coach. We work out. He really does. I appreciate that. I got a stock one for you. Coachella or Stagecoach? Stagecoach, baby.
I don't know if you know this, but Brock kind of moonlights as my life coach. We work out. He really does. I appreciate that. I got a stock one for you. Coachella or Stagecoach? Stagecoach, baby.
Yeah, you love Stagecoach. You see that they spent more alcohol in one day of Stagecoach than they did at Coachella? They're just there to see, like Coachella for me, it's also fun, I love the music, it's great. But Stagecoach, the vibe there, they're there for the music.
Yeah, you love Stagecoach. You see that they spent more alcohol in one day of Stagecoach than they did at Coachella? They're just there to see, like Coachella for me, it's also fun, I love the music, it's great. But Stagecoach, the vibe there, they're there for the music.
And by the way, there's a very large portion of people at Coachella who are there for the music. But yes, of course you have influencer culture.
And by the way, there's a very large portion of people at Coachella who are there for the music. But yes, of course you have influencer culture.
But it's what you make of it. No, no, listen. I didn't say I didn't like that place. No, yeah, yeah. You just said which one. You made me choose. Okay? Don't put me in that box of talking smack on all those influencers that are going, I'm a part of that category.
But it's what you make of it. No, no, listen. I didn't say I didn't like that place. No, yeah, yeah. You just said which one. You made me choose. Okay? Don't put me in that box of talking smack on all those influencers that are going, I'm a part of that category.
Yeah. Do you want to know what my feeling was? Yeah. What was it? I felt like I was a gladiator.
Yeah. Do you want to know what my feeling was? Yeah. What was it? I felt like I was a gladiator.
Yeah, no, it's my natural instinct. I have to qualify things.
Yeah, no, it's my natural instinct. I have to qualify things.
Yeah, right? You have to, okay.
Yeah, right? You have to, okay.
Lucky baby. Are you loving L.A. these days?
Lucky baby. Are you loving L.A. these days?
L.A. is growing on me, but I really love just the consistency I'm trying to build. Yeah. You know, I'm trying to get, I'm working at a... getting a full-time salary, a career in LA. And at the same time, just finding consistency, which is what I've been lacking.
L.A. is growing on me, but I really love just the consistency I'm trying to build. Yeah. You know, I'm trying to get, I'm working at a... getting a full-time salary, a career in LA. And at the same time, just finding consistency, which is what I've been lacking.
Yeah. Well, the life of an entrepreneur is scary. A lot of high highs and low lows, peaks and valleys.
Yeah. Well, the life of an entrepreneur is scary. A lot of high highs and low lows, peaks and valleys.
That's why I'm just trying to get a salary job. I had a salary run, so it was overrated. Listen, the best part about this opportunity I'm working at is there's no ceiling for me. It's go at my own pace and I can commit to what I need to do. Yeah, I love that. A lot of room for opportunity, but I just want to kind of learn. I want to learn the entertainment industry.
That's why I'm just trying to get a salary job. I had a salary run, so it was overrated. Listen, the best part about this opportunity I'm working at is there's no ceiling for me. It's go at my own pace and I can commit to what I need to do. Yeah, I love that. A lot of room for opportunity, but I just want to kind of learn. I want to learn the entertainment industry.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Ready to go into battle.
Ready to go into battle.
I want to learn that side of things. I never thought it was an opportunity, a possibility when I grew up in New Zealand and Australia, when my sister used to watch like the MTV Awards and all that. The US may have been on the mind playing like North Dallas 40 football. But it was Hollywood entertainment. None of that was kind of in my bingo cards, you could say.
I want to learn that side of things. I never thought it was an opportunity, a possibility when I grew up in New Zealand and Australia, when my sister used to watch like the MTV Awards and all that. The US may have been on the mind playing like North Dallas 40 football. But it was Hollywood entertainment. None of that was kind of in my bingo cards, you could say.
Right.
Right.
What did you say? You said it was more Game of Thrones. You were riding dragons.
What did you say? You said it was more Game of Thrones. You were riding dragons.
Do you foresee yourself someday, you, Sheena, Summer, back in New Zealand on a dairy farm?
Do you foresee yourself someday, you, Sheena, Summer, back in New Zealand on a dairy farm?
Probably not a dairy farm, but like on a cattle farm so we can produce meat and get some products from New Zealand. But yeah, I have a vision. I've probably got my five-year written out. I have visions for the 10, and that does include a trip to New Zealand and Australia more than once a year, longer than a week.
Probably not a dairy farm, but like on a cattle farm so we can produce meat and get some products from New Zealand. But yeah, I have a vision. I've probably got my five-year written out. I have visions for the 10, and that does include a trip to New Zealand and Australia more than once a year, longer than a week.
We were riding dragons. I like that. Summer loves it. And so I just wanted to teach Summer kind of like the...
We were riding dragons. I like that. Summer loves it. And so I just wanted to teach Summer kind of like the...
And if that falls through, I'm thinking WWE, Brock the fucking Builder.
And if that falls through, I'm thinking WWE, Brock the fucking Builder.
Let's go. WWE. I think I've passed that resiliency. My body's not going to bounce back as much as Logan Paul's doing right now, who, by the way, crushing it. He's a beast. What a way to tame the audience, going into WWE. Would you go to WWE?
Let's go. WWE. I think I've passed that resiliency. My body's not going to bounce back as much as Logan Paul's doing right now, who, by the way, crushing it. He's a beast. What a way to tame the audience, going into WWE. Would you go to WWE?
Not at this point in my life. Who was your favorite wrestler? I really liked Brutus the Barber Beefcake. I like Ric Flair. I like the old guys. Of course, I like Hulk Hogan. I love The Rock. I love a good heel. Rolex wearing.
Not at this point in my life. Who was your favorite wrestler? I really liked Brutus the Barber Beefcake. I like Ric Flair. I like the old guys. Of course, I like Hulk Hogan. I love The Rock. I love a good heel. Rolex wearing.
Yeah. How does Ric Flair things go? Sorry, guys. You're having a hard time trying to hold me down. How does it go? These alligator shoes? I can't remember.
Yeah. How does Ric Flair things go? Sorry, guys. You're having a hard time trying to hold me down. How does it go? These alligator shoes? I can't remember.
highs and lows of music and feel music right and so whenever we play it in the music studio she'll be like oh this is the dragon music and the reason why she thinks it's a dragon music is so when there's like the peaks and the valleys and it goes slow it builds up it builds up she's kind of like flying nice and high and gluttony bombing down when it comes in the high up action she's soaring she's flying by the way have you have you put the studio online
highs and lows of music and feel music right and so whenever we play it in the music studio she'll be like oh this is the dragon music and the reason why she thinks it's a dragon music is so when there's like the peaks and the valleys and it goes slow it builds up it builds up she's kind of like flying nice and high and gluttony bombing down when it comes in the high up action she's soaring she's flying by the way have you have you put the studio online
Well, Brocky, baby, it's been nice. Well, thanks for chilling. Do you want to maybe do one more perineum session? Yeah, I got the seat set up for us, so we'll just sit down.
Well, Brocky, baby, it's been nice. Well, thanks for chilling. Do you want to maybe do one more perineum session? Yeah, I got the seat set up for us, so we'll just sit down.
He literally does. And you have the towel wrapped around your waist. You cock your right leg. I cock my right leg. We kind of give that to him across. We won't see. We listen and we do not judge. Well, thank you for the education, Infrared Saunas.
He literally does. And you have the towel wrapped around your waist. You cock your right leg. I cock my right leg. We kind of give that to him across. We won't see. We listen and we do not judge. Well, thank you for the education, Infrared Saunas.
You guys, appreciate the love. Listen. Signing off. Good luck, buddy. All right.
You guys, appreciate the love. Listen. Signing off. Good luck, buddy. All right.
Detoxification complete.
Detoxification complete.
hardcore fitness freaks but i tried one the first few times i did it without knowing anything and i just i liked it made me feel good and you know what that's reason enough to do it again but now i'm kind of obsessed you get the glow you get the chill you leave feeling like a
hardcore fitness freaks but i tried one the first few times i did it without knowing anything and i just i liked it made me feel good and you know what that's reason enough to do it again but now i'm kind of obsessed you get the glow you get the chill you leave feeling like a
Brock has a studio. Brock and Sheena have a beautiful studio.
Brock has a studio. Brock and Sheena have a beautiful studio.
By the way, is Sheena making new music? Sheena is definitely making new music. She actually is sitting on like four tracks. Whoa. Yeah. But she got stage fright. She kind of was like, after The Masked Singer, it was a tough one for her. She really enjoyed that and she didn't want to go home day one. She got voted out. I think that was like, it just kind of second-guessed her ability.
By the way, is Sheena making new music? Sheena is definitely making new music. She actually is sitting on like four tracks. Whoa. Yeah. But she got stage fright. She kind of was like, after The Masked Singer, it was a tough one for her. She really enjoyed that and she didn't want to go home day one. She got voted out. I think that was like, it just kind of second-guessed her ability.
But then she heard herself on TV and I was like, come on, honey.
But then she heard herself on TV and I was like, come on, honey.
let's get this confidence back let's get this track going let's get her making music she does music because she's an entertainer let's like let's be real on that one she likes to entertain people she wants to be on stage and have fun with them so hopefully she she takes that and gets runs with it truly honestly i good of gold still slaps it's an iconic song sheena is iconic she's iconic you know what i mean she really is she's tried and tested tried and tested um
let's get this confidence back let's get this track going let's get her making music she does music because she's an entertainer let's like let's be real on that one she likes to entertain people she wants to be on stage and have fun with them so hopefully she she takes that and gets runs with it truly honestly i good of gold still slaps it's an iconic song sheena is iconic she's iconic you know what i mean she really is she's tried and tested tried and tested um
It's hard. It was hard. And also like from her up, like for her character storyline, like throughout all of the show and coming into the August group, like it was tough for her to kind of deal with everything. And cause she is a pushover or kind hearted or puts other people's opinions before hers. She gets walked all over. She's not, well, she's not, she's not a pushover. She's just kind.
It's hard. It was hard. And also like from her up, like for her character storyline, like throughout all of the show and coming into the August group, like it was tough for her to kind of deal with everything. And cause she is a pushover or kind hearted or puts other people's opinions before hers. She gets walked all over. She's not, well, she's not, she's not a pushover. She's just kind.
She's compassionate.
She's compassionate.
No. Yeah.
No. Yeah.
Bootlegger Kardashian. You guys are, you guys are doubting my credentials as a known people pleaser. I have boundaries now, okay? My peace is protected. There you go, baby. I got my Schwartz back. I feel like I've got my rhythm back. Do you know what I mean? I lost my flow for the past couple of years, but I have this beautiful thing called harmony again. I love that. Tell me more about harmony.
Bootlegger Kardashian. You guys are, you guys are doubting my credentials as a known people pleaser. I have boundaries now, okay? My peace is protected. There you go, baby. I got my Schwartz back. I feel like I've got my rhythm back. Do you know what I mean? I lost my flow for the past couple of years, but I have this beautiful thing called harmony again. I love that. Tell me more about harmony.
I'm harmonizing. I just feel like I'm balanced again. I feel like I was in a constant state of fight or flight trying to salvage the business. And I learned a lot. It gave me more grit. I'm more resilient. But yeah, I feel like I've got my flow back. The Schwartz is back.
I'm harmonizing. I just feel like I'm balanced again. I feel like I was in a constant state of fight or flight trying to salvage the business. And I learned a lot. It gave me more grit. I'm more resilient. But yeah, I feel like I've got my flow back. The Schwartz is back.
Ish. Ish. Was that what the biggest thing was? The biggest impact for you was the shorts and Sandy of it all?
Ish. Ish. Was that what the biggest thing was? The biggest impact for you was the shorts and Sandy of it all?
Yeah. I mean, just, you guys, it's such a uniquely terrifying experience no matter how hard you work. New marketing tactics, showing up, new promoters.
Yeah. I mean, just, you guys, it's such a uniquely terrifying experience no matter how hard you work. New marketing tactics, showing up, new promoters.
themed nights whatever you throw everything you have at it and it's still not working and you're just hemorrhaging money and you're working your ass off um it's a uniquely uh unpleasant experience but i'm not here to cry about it i'm still kicking yeah i'm still kicking baby and i'm in the sauna i love infrared saunas i'm a late adopter and i just whenever i leave i feel like i got a glow i feel like i aura up every time i'm in an infrared sauna
themed nights whatever you throw everything you have at it and it's still not working and you're just hemorrhaging money and you're working your ass off um it's a uniquely uh unpleasant experience but i'm not here to cry about it i'm still kicking yeah i'm still kicking baby and i'm in the sauna i love infrared saunas i'm a late adopter and i just whenever i leave i feel like i got a glow i feel like i aura up every time i'm in an infrared sauna
Well, you definitely are because you're just recycling through your cells, you know. You're actually giving your body the best ability to get rid of some toxins throughout it. I kind of think of it as like a visual would be like ringing of a dirty sponge, ringing of those cellular, going through that experience.
Well, you definitely are because you're just recycling through your cells, you know. You're actually giving your body the best ability to get rid of some toxins throughout it. I kind of think of it as like a visual would be like ringing of a dirty sponge, ringing of those cellular, going through that experience.
better version of yourself or at least a less toxic one haha um maybe you're sweating that x or something stupid you did five years ago or maybe you're sweating out the four dirty martinis with blue cheese olives from last night whatever it is you guys you don't just have to write it out you can sweat it out yeah We're getting our glow back this week, okay? We're going to ore up a little bit.
better version of yourself or at least a less toxic one haha um maybe you're sweating that x or something stupid you did five years ago or maybe you're sweating out the four dirty martinis with blue cheese olives from last night whatever it is you guys you don't just have to write it out you can sweat it out yeah We're getting our glow back this week, okay? We're going to ore up a little bit.
So like I think your next test you should try would be intermittent fasting or fasting. Maybe we do like a 72-hour fast together.
So like I think your next test you should try would be intermittent fasting or fasting. Maybe we do like a 72-hour fast together.
Oh, I intermittent fast.
Oh, I intermittent fast.
Intermittent fasting was like, yeah, that's cool. But let's do like 72 to 100 hours fasting.
Intermittent fasting was like, yeah, that's cool. But let's do like 72 to 100 hours fasting.
Okay, next time we collaborate, I'll do a fast with you. Let's do a 72-hour fast, three days. Brock has, he's very privileged. He has a beautiful sauna, infrared sauna in his backyard. We're not going to the spa. We got the spa at home, baby. Yeah. Can we talk about the benefits a little bit? Yeah, let's jump into it. Well, first of all, I just like the way infrared saunas make me feel.
Okay, next time we collaborate, I'll do a fast with you. Let's do a 72-hour fast, three days. Brock has, he's very privileged. He has a beautiful sauna, infrared sauna in his backyard. We're not going to the spa. We got the spa at home, baby. Yeah. Can we talk about the benefits a little bit? Yeah, let's jump into it. Well, first of all, I just like the way infrared saunas make me feel.
It's like a warm, soulful, deep hug. And also like in, I don't know about you guys, but usually when I'm in like a sauna or a steam room, they're too hot for me. I get claustrophobic. I start to squirm. Like usually in an infrared sauna, it's somewhere between like 120, 150. Keep going. Yeah, it's balmy. It's nice.
It's like a warm, soulful, deep hug. And also like in, I don't know about you guys, but usually when I'm in like a sauna or a steam room, they're too hot for me. I get claustrophobic. I start to squirm. Like usually in an infrared sauna, it's somewhere between like 120, 150. Keep going. Yeah, it's balmy. It's nice.
It's a little hot for me.
It's a little hot for me.
170 to 200.
170 to 200.
It's a little hot for me, but it's nice. You know what I mean? I can feel my circulation improving while I'm in here. Heart rate's increasing in the most pleasant way possible. It's kind of like you kind of have the same physiological response as when you exercise, but you're just chilling.
It's a little hot for me, but it's nice. You know what I mean? I can feel my circulation improving while I'm in here. Heart rate's increasing in the most pleasant way possible. It's kind of like you kind of have the same physiological response as when you exercise, but you're just chilling.
Just chilling. Exactly. It's great for a little hack is they recommend doing in the evening before bed increases your baseline sleep, your recovery. So that's a good one too. So it helps you do a deeper sleep relaxing. I think it comes down to like when you sleep in the bed, you want your room optimal. I always say optimal.
Just chilling. Exactly. It's great for a little hack is they recommend doing in the evening before bed increases your baseline sleep, your recovery. So that's a good one too. So it helps you do a deeper sleep relaxing. I think it comes down to like when you sleep in the bed, you want your room optimal. I always say optimal.
It's now time for your weekly detox with Tom Schwartz.
It's now time for your weekly detox with Tom Schwartz.
because you're never on it, but your goal was to hit optimal at 68 degrees. But if you jump in the sauna before you go to bed, you regulate your body, and your body starts trying to cool down your body, so it gets your core temperature down to a lower temperature than externally on your skin, as you're nice and warm from the sauna.
because you're never on it, but your goal was to hit optimal at 68 degrees. But if you jump in the sauna before you go to bed, you regulate your body, and your body starts trying to cool down your body, so it gets your core temperature down to a lower temperature than externally on your skin, as you're nice and warm from the sauna.
So they say have a sauna in the evening before bed, and then ice bath in the morning first thing, or after eight hours of a...
So they say have a sauna in the evening before bed, and then ice bath in the morning first thing, or after eight hours of a...
a strength muscle building workout not immediately after a workout how's your how is your sleep are you getting eight hours no no my readiness score right now is 19 19 19 yeah last night was a rough one the last three four weeks have not prioritized my sleep at all and that's and now it's funny it's like you really notice the difference as you go through the day if you really aren't prioritizing and it's this like now sheen is finally realizing wait a second sleep's important
a strength muscle building workout not immediately after a workout how's your how is your sleep are you getting eight hours no no my readiness score right now is 19 19 19 yeah last night was a rough one the last three four weeks have not prioritized my sleep at all and that's and now it's funny it's like you really notice the difference as you go through the day if you really aren't prioritizing and it's this like now sheen is finally realizing wait a second sleep's important
And it's not falling asleep watching TV. It's actually allowing your body to shut down. Allow your body to go upstairs and not look at your phone. So what I started doing again, and going back to it, is I put my phone in the bathroom next to the room. And it will be charging. It's on, but I'm not near it. You don't need those Wi-Fi signals, all that frequency, all of that next to your head.
And it's not falling asleep watching TV. It's actually allowing your body to shut down. Allow your body to go upstairs and not look at your phone. So what I started doing again, and going back to it, is I put my phone in the bathroom next to the room. And it will be charging. It's on, but I'm not near it. You don't need those Wi-Fi signals, all that frequency, all of that next to your head.
So put a phone away and then hop in bed, no TV. You can read a book or black out your eye mask, like a blackout eye mask. And then mouth tape, phenomenal, phenomenal. For anybody out there, guys and girls, they'd be like, oh, I can't breathe. Like, relax. You can breathe. You put the mouth tape on.
So put a phone away and then hop in bed, no TV. You can read a book or black out your eye mask, like a blackout eye mask. And then mouth tape, phenomenal, phenomenal. For anybody out there, guys and girls, they'd be like, oh, I can't breathe. Like, relax. You can breathe. You put the mouth tape on.
It just crushes through your nasal cavity and all of that absorption of oxygen actually goes the right way through your brain. Wow. Yeah, it's phenomenal. Even like the ancient Indians used to do perps lips where their kids would lie there and they would actually hold their kids' lips close so they had to breathe through their nose.
It just crushes through your nasal cavity and all of that absorption of oxygen actually goes the right way through your brain. Wow. Yeah, it's phenomenal. Even like the ancient Indians used to do perps lips where their kids would lie there and they would actually hold their kids' lips close so they had to breathe through their nose.
Yeah. Wow, I'm over here and I just feel ashamed because I'm lucky to get five hours of sleep. I fall asleep scrolling to TikTok or listening... Well, I fall asleep to podcasts every night. What's your podcast?
Yeah. Wow, I'm over here and I just feel ashamed because I'm lucky to get five hours of sleep. I fall asleep scrolling to TikTok or listening... Well, I fall asleep to podcasts every night. What's your podcast?
What's your favorite one?
What's your favorite one?
I have so many, at least 20. Damn! I love 99% Invisible. I love... uh, radio lab, this American.
I have so many, at least 20. Damn! I love 99% Invisible. I love... uh, radio lab, this American.
I need to lift up my, I got, I got like my go-to podcast, which I don't miss once a week, which is the all in pod.
I need to lift up my, I got, I got like my go-to podcast, which I don't miss once a week, which is the all in pod.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Got to watch that one. What about detox? Retox? Detox.
Got to watch that one. What about detox? Retox? Detox.
Retox.
Retox.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Solid. Number three. Thank you for the plug. Going back to benefits, you guys, when you're in here, the near infrared light, it stimulates collagen. It's good for your skin. I'll take all the collagen I can get, baby. It's great for your skin. It calms you down, by the way. If you're stressed out, calms your nervous system, helps with relaxation, fires up the metabolism, yes?
Solid. Number three. Thank you for the plug. Going back to benefits, you guys, when you're in here, the near infrared light, it stimulates collagen. It's good for your skin. I'll take all the collagen I can get, baby. It's great for your skin. It calms you down, by the way. If you're stressed out, calms your nervous system, helps with relaxation, fires up the metabolism, yes?
Fires up the metabolism. By the way, if you've ever been really sore, your muscles are sore, try an infrared sauna.
Fires up the metabolism. By the way, if you've ever been really sore, your muscles are sore, try an infrared sauna.
Forget about that toxic relationship. Let's talk about releasing actual toxins. Honestly, what even are toxins? It's kind of just like a buzzword. I mean, it works on me. If I see something in the store and it says detoxifying, sold. I'm buying it. Every time. But realistically, I know it's some sort of complex biological process.
Forget about that toxic relationship. Let's talk about releasing actual toxins. Honestly, what even are toxins? It's kind of just like a buzzword. I mean, it works on me. If I see something in the store and it says detoxifying, sold. I'm buying it. Every time. But realistically, I know it's some sort of complex biological process.
Yeah, 100%. And like going back to the anxiety, the decrease of depression, sorry, is what I was trying to say. Going back to like kind of like why that is good for you is because you're actually hopping into an uncomfortable place. Your mind's telling you to get out and you're telling your mind, shut up, we got this.
Yeah, 100%. And like going back to the anxiety, the decrease of depression, sorry, is what I was trying to say. Going back to like kind of like why that is good for you is because you're actually hopping into an uncomfortable place. Your mind's telling you to get out and you're telling your mind, shut up, we got this.
And then the longer you tell your mind to shut up, we got this, the greater the benefits, the better the reward. So great for anxiety and stress because you're actually training yourself on how to kind of control those thoughts, how to control those anxious thoughts and all that pattern. So it's kind of,
And then the longer you tell your mind to shut up, we got this, the greater the benefits, the better the reward. So great for anxiety and stress because you're actually training yourself on how to kind of control those thoughts, how to control those anxious thoughts and all that pattern. So it's kind of,
It all works around and that's kind of like the benefit of doing inference order and going on this journey that you're trying to do, doing difficult things that sometimes your mind will be like, we shouldn't be doing this. But by doing it, by turning up for yourself and saying, we got this, that is where the magic's at, brother.
It all works around and that's kind of like the benefit of doing inference order and going on this journey that you're trying to do, doing difficult things that sometimes your mind will be like, we shouldn't be doing this. But by doing it, by turning up for yourself and saying, we got this, that is where the magic's at, brother.
And that's like, for me, that's the fundamental principle of infrared.
And that's like, for me, that's the fundamental principle of infrared.
Telling the inner critic to shut the fuck up. Just hushing that inner critic, you know what I mean? I love that, and I've been working on that, because for the longest time, I just feel like I was breaking even. Stagnant a little bit, you know? Breaking even barely, so I'm looking to make gains right now, and I'm doing that. I'm in the zone, and yeah, man.
Telling the inner critic to shut the fuck up. Just hushing that inner critic, you know what I mean? I love that, and I've been working on that, because for the longest time, I just feel like I was breaking even. Stagnant a little bit, you know? Breaking even barely, so I'm looking to make gains right now, and I'm doing that. I'm in the zone, and yeah, man.
I just feel happy to be alive right now, sitting next to Brock in his beautiful backyard that he built himself.
I just feel happy to be alive right now, sitting next to Brock in his beautiful backyard that he built himself.
brock the fucking builder buddy you gotta build your own happiness sometimes you know with your own two hands don't ask somebody else to give it for you just get out there roll the sleeves up and just make it happen and then and then yeah look i love i love our backyard i love our home and and i think we love having friends and family over into our home and they come over and like wow this is actually a home it's not a house
brock the fucking builder buddy you gotta build your own happiness sometimes you know with your own two hands don't ask somebody else to give it for you just get out there roll the sleeves up and just make it happen and then and then yeah look i love i love our backyard i love our home and and i think we love having friends and family over into our home and they come over and like wow this is actually a home it's not a house
We make homemade pasta. We make our homemade butter. Like we just hang out here. But the clutch is the sauna. This is my favorite part of the house.
We make homemade pasta. We make our homemade butter. Like we just hang out here. But the clutch is the sauna. This is my favorite part of the house.
It's so nice. But touching on that, it truly is a home. You feel it when you walk in here. I feel cozy immediately.
It's so nice. But touching on that, it truly is a home. You feel it when you walk in here. I feel cozy immediately.
Good. Even though it's like a minimalistic kind of design with like furniture and all that. It's not a cluttered home. It's a hunt. It's a modern farmhouse. It's kind of like my old crib. Yeah, this is like your own crib.
Good. Even though it's like a minimalistic kind of design with like furniture and all that. It's not a cluttered home. It's a hunt. It's a modern farmhouse. It's kind of like my old crib. Yeah, this is like your own crib.
But there's a lot of love in here. Like looking back before you ever came to America, did you ever picture this? No. A beautiful home in LA, a beautiful wife. You're pretty famous. You're successful. You got a good thing going, beautiful daughter. Did you ever... Did you ever envision a life like this?
But there's a lot of love in here. Like looking back before you ever came to America, did you ever picture this? No. A beautiful home in LA, a beautiful wife. You're pretty famous. You're successful. You got a good thing going, beautiful daughter. Did you ever... Did you ever envision a life like this?
I had goals. When I first moved over here with this division of sport, I could close my eyes and I could just imagine myself just putting on the kit and playing football. But then I never got to fulfill that opportunity. And then that kind of was just one foot after the next. I just kept putting it, kept going forward. And it led me down this pathway where I met Sheena at 2 a.m.
I had goals. When I first moved over here with this division of sport, I could close my eyes and I could just imagine myself just putting on the kit and playing football. But then I never got to fulfill that opportunity. And then that kind of was just one foot after the next. I just kept putting it, kept going forward. And it led me down this pathway where I met Sheena at 2 a.m.
at an after party, dated this hot chick.
at an after party, dated this hot chick.
serendipity i was kind of like oh i'm playing rugby for usa so i went back to australia she came over i was like this chick just paid for her own flight to australia like i don't what what a legend you don't get that from la and uh and and then after that it was kind of uh it was funny we're in new york just recently and it was set in the same hotel when we were there for bravo con the first bravo con
serendipity i was kind of like oh i'm playing rugby for usa so i went back to australia she came over i was like this chick just paid for her own flight to australia like i don't what what a legend you don't get that from la and uh and and then after that it was kind of uh it was funny we're in new york just recently and it was set in the same hotel when we were there for bravo con the first bravo con
It was insane. And I remember like, okay, yeah, my wife's pretty cool. Like she's on the show, whatever. Here we go. And that was when I realized like, oh, she's on a show.
It was insane. And I remember like, okay, yeah, my wife's pretty cool. Like she's on the show, whatever. Here we go. And that was when I realized like, oh, she's on a show.
and it's raw as fuck and you guys went through whatever issue you're dealing with in your lives, your friendships, your relationships, working, whatever it is, you guys really put it out to the world and then people criticize but it's like a lot of people are doing the same things, it's just there's no cameras to have the rest of the world judge that person.
and it's raw as fuck and you guys went through whatever issue you're dealing with in your lives, your friendships, your relationships, working, whatever it is, you guys really put it out to the world and then people criticize but it's like a lot of people are doing the same things, it's just there's no cameras to have the rest of the world judge that person.
Like that is literally the only difference. So like I think when I went back and watched that last season,
Like that is literally the only difference. So like I think when I went back and watched that last season,
I had so much respect for all of you because I was like even though people were criticizing people for whatever a lot of rest of the world are doing the same things the only difference is you guys had cameras in your face and the fact that you guys were actually super fucking raw about it and didn't lie because there's a lot of reality shows out there that
I had so much respect for all of you because I was like even though people were criticizing people for whatever a lot of rest of the world are doing the same things the only difference is you guys had cameras in your face and the fact that you guys were actually super fucking raw about it and didn't lie because there's a lot of reality shows out there that
They will be like, OK, come into my life and like show you this. But no, no, we're going to edit that out or we're not going to show that.
They will be like, OK, come into my life and like show you this. But no, no, we're going to edit that out or we're not going to show that.
You guys didn't do that. You guys were just like, this is it. This is what I'm going through. This is my life. Good, wrong, bad, great, whatever it was. And I think like that takes a lot of fucking courage.
You guys didn't do that. You guys were just like, this is it. This is what I'm going through. This is my life. Good, wrong, bad, great, whatever it was. And I think like that takes a lot of fucking courage.
You're welcome.
You're welcome.
Absolutely. I think at the start, like when I did Below Deck and it's like you kind of overnight you go from having your normal life to then having the world having access to you and thinking they know you or they know better and whatever it is. And I think at the beginning, when it's a new experience to you, it's so hard to not read every single DM, not read every comment, to not go on Reddit.
Absolutely. I think at the start, like when I did Below Deck and it's like you kind of overnight you go from having your normal life to then having the world having access to you and thinking they know you or they know better and whatever it is. And I think at the beginning, when it's a new experience to you, it's so hard to not read every single DM, not read every comment, to not go on Reddit.
Yeah, and you do it. And obviously, yeah, there's been times where I'm like, fuck, and you get upset. You feel depressed. You start self-doubting yourself.
Yeah, and you do it. And obviously, yeah, there's been times where I'm like, fuck, and you get upset. You feel depressed. You start self-doubting yourself.
which I think is all normal but then I think the beauty of it is if I didn't do any of this and put myself out to the world I don't think I would be as strong as I am now and like realize that not everyone people can have an opinion of you and that's totally fine the only opinions that matter are the people that are close to you and that's it and not everyone knows
which I think is all normal but then I think the beauty of it is if I didn't do any of this and put myself out to the world I don't think I would be as strong as I am now and like realize that not everyone people can have an opinion of you and that's totally fine the only opinions that matter are the people that are close to you and that's it and not everyone knows
everything people think they do but they don't they don't know the full story so at the start it definitely is hard and I don't think it's ever not hard I think you build a tolerance to deal with it better and you learn to just not deep dive
everything people think they do but they don't they don't know the full story so at the start it definitely is hard and I don't think it's ever not hard I think you build a tolerance to deal with it better and you learn to just not deep dive
in the comment section or in the you know you just you learn how to handle it better and I think it makes you stronger as a person yeah but once in a while it's nice to just dive into the comment section but you know what's funny now it's like people could DM me something and they could say probably the most horrible thing and like
in the comment section or in the you know you just you learn how to handle it better and I think it makes you stronger as a person yeah but once in a while it's nice to just dive into the comment section but you know what's funny now it's like people could DM me something and they could say probably the most horrible thing and like
flashback to my first season of below deck and like in the first couple of weeks i would have spiraled i would have gone to my head i would have had a mentee b but now i'm just like oh i feel sorry for you like that's funny like thank you for taking the time out of your day to give my instagram profile some engagement so thank you to you okay this is what you're telling katie flutty season one yes of below deck yes is this your message to her
flashback to my first season of below deck and like in the first couple of weeks i would have spiraled i would have gone to my head i would have had a mentee b but now i'm just like oh i feel sorry for you like that's funny like thank you for taking the time out of your day to give my instagram profile some engagement so thank you to you okay this is what you're telling katie flutty season one yes of below deck yes is this your message to her
Pretty much. Yeah. Like, fuck it. And what I learned is you could be the most perfect person on reality TV. Like, you could be the sweet baby Andrew. You could do nothing wrong. And somebody will still find something.
Pretty much. Yeah. Like, fuck it. And what I learned is you could be the most perfect person on reality TV. Like, you could be the sweet baby Andrew. You could do nothing wrong. And somebody will still find something.
to say something negative about whether it's your hair or i didn't like your like there'd just be something even though you were perfect you know like everybody's gonna say something i'd be worried if they say nothing oh we're singing now are we at karaoke part of the night
to say something negative about whether it's your hair or i didn't like your like there'd just be something even though you were perfect you know like everybody's gonna say something i'd be worried if they say nothing oh we're singing now are we at karaoke part of the night
Guys, you won't believe it, but Benny fucking Brian is going to be in the house.
Guys, you won't believe it, but Benny fucking Brian is going to be in the house.
he is honestly unapologetically the funniest person i've met and the funny thing about that is he doesn't mean to be funny that's he just is he'll say something and we're like wait what but it's so gold and like at at the start i remember when i first met him when like you know you don't really understand somebody but by the end of it i was like you're actually one of the funniest people i know and you don't mean to be but you're just like legend legendary status
he is honestly unapologetically the funniest person i've met and the funny thing about that is he doesn't mean to be funny that's he just is he'll say something and we're like wait what but it's so gold and like at at the start i remember when i first met him when like you know you don't really understand somebody but by the end of it i was like you're actually one of the funniest people i know and you don't mean to be but you're just like legend legendary status
His mom. His mom. Iconic.
His mom. His mom. Iconic.
It is. And we need that. Bravo. Bring it back. What are we doing?
It is. And we need that. Bravo. Bring it back. What are we doing?
Yeah. Where is he? I thought he was coming.
Yeah. Where is he? I thought he was coming.
You already did that. No, I'm kidding.
You already did that. No, I'm kidding.
We're day drinking in a shocking turn of events.
We're day drinking in a shocking turn of events.
We'll get him on the mic. Are you going to give him the headphones, though, so he can hear his own voice? Or do you still want to hear your own?
We'll get him on the mic. Are you going to give him the headphones, though, so he can hear his own voice? Or do you still want to hear your own?
Should I? Yeah. You know what? I wish Malia was here because she would absolutely grill him. But I feel like I'm up to the job.
Should I? Yeah. You know what? I wish Malia was here because she would absolutely grill him. But I feel like I'm up to the job.
All right.
All right.
Let's go.
Let's go.
Schwartze, am I going to get a phone name?
Schwartze, am I going to get a phone name?
Retoxification complete.
Retoxification complete.
Guys, you heard it here first. That was a full name.
Guys, you heard it here first. That was a full name.
We've come far. We've come far.
We've come far. We've come far.
We're in first name basis.
We're in first name basis.
We really didn't.
We really didn't.
I'm so fucking here for it.
I'm so fucking here for it.
We did.
We did.
We were, but we got a little carried away.
We were, but we got a little carried away.
That's a fucking loaded question, Schwartzy. What isn't going on?
That's a fucking loaded question, Schwartzy. What isn't going on?
Miss the people. Yeah, I miss the people and I think you probably know this as well like even like production Yeah, like how much of a vibe is like your production crew and I think production never gets enough credit and like how close like we actually become to these people like I feel like we get all the credit or sometimes not the credit but like They're the fucking legends
Miss the people. Yeah, I miss the people and I think you probably know this as well like even like production Yeah, like how much of a vibe is like your production crew and I think production never gets enough credit and like how close like we actually become to these people like I feel like we get all the credit or sometimes not the credit but like They're the fucking legends
It is. When you put, like, people in that environment, I don't think you can explain to anybody else on the outside, like, the connections you make, the relationships you made. Like, it's just this really bizarre little bubble.
It is. When you put, like, people in that environment, I don't think you can explain to anybody else on the outside, like, the connections you make, the relationships you made. Like, it's just this really bizarre little bubble.
I don't – I mean, I can try to do a New York accent. Okay. I feel like that's horrible. All I can say is, hey, Tony, don't piss me off or I'm going to pop a cap in your ass, okay?
I don't – I mean, I can try to do a New York accent. Okay. I feel like that's horrible. All I can say is, hey, Tony, don't piss me off or I'm going to pop a cap in your ass, okay?
See, I met you at the worst point of your life and I actually had no idea until after. I mean, I knew at the time, but I don't think I understood the scope of... Your reality and your whole, yeah.
See, I met you at the worst point of your life and I actually had no idea until after. I mean, I knew at the time, but I don't think I understood the scope of... Your reality and your whole, yeah.
It wasn't until after. And it was so crazy because, like, people would DM me fucking not the nicest stuff.
It wasn't until after. And it was so crazy because, like, people would DM me fucking not the nicest stuff.
But, like, I genuinely didn't know.
But, like, I genuinely didn't know.
We'll get there. We'll get there.
We'll get there. We'll get there.
But, no, I really did meet you.
But, no, I really did meet you.
We did.
We did.
I think it was good for your soul at the time.
I think it was good for your soul at the time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Thank you. I did my best, and I didn't understand the scope of the situation until afterwards, and I was like, oh, now I understand why I'm getting all these messages. Now it makes sense. At the time, it didn't make sense.
Thank you. I did my best, and I didn't understand the scope of the situation until afterwards, and I was like, oh, now I understand why I'm getting all these messages. Now it makes sense. At the time, it didn't make sense.
I hope so.
I hope so.
I'm in Dubai, guys.
I'm in Dubai, guys.
It's now time for your weekly re-talks with Tom Schwartz.
It's now time for your weekly re-talks with Tom Schwartz.
I would say it's half and half. Yes. It happened completely on a whim. I'm very thankful. I'm very blessed. And it kind of just happened naturally. But it made sense. And it's a place I don't think people fully understand Dubai. But I wouldn't change it for the world.
I would say it's half and half. Yes. It happened completely on a whim. I'm very thankful. I'm very blessed. And it kind of just happened naturally. But it made sense. And it's a place I don't think people fully understand Dubai. But I wouldn't change it for the world.
That made me go there? Yeah.
That made me go there? Yeah.
So I was still actually working on the boats and I was on one of my rotations and it actually came down to like a financial thing. So obviously working on the boats, I earn tax free money. And it's all legitimate, it's all legal, and I was getting paid into my offshore bank accounts because I was a seafarer, I worked offshore.
So I was still actually working on the boats and I was on one of my rotations and it actually came down to like a financial thing. So obviously working on the boats, I earn tax free money. And it's all legitimate, it's all legal, and I was getting paid into my offshore bank accounts because I was a seafarer, I worked offshore.
But then obviously because I do TV and social media deals, I can't just put that into my normal bank account. There has to be some sort of legitimacy. So a lot of YouTubers, crypto people, traders, they all own companies in Dubai. So I went there, opened up a company basically just for the money that I earned from Bravo or Instagram and with that you automatically get residency.
But then obviously because I do TV and social media deals, I can't just put that into my normal bank account. There has to be some sort of legitimacy. So a lot of YouTubers, crypto people, traders, they all own companies in Dubai. So I went there, opened up a company basically just for the money that I earned from Bravo or Instagram and with that you automatically get residency.
So I was like okay, if I'm gonna get residency to a country, let me see if I liked it. So I went there for six and a half weeks. I opened up my company, and I ended up loving it. And then I think I went back to my boat for two months, went on my next rotation, and then the rest was history.
So I was like okay, if I'm gonna get residency to a country, let me see if I liked it. So I went there for six and a half weeks. I opened up my company, and I ended up loving it. And then I think I went back to my boat for two months, went on my next rotation, and then the rest was history.
Hi.
Hi.
A day in Dubai, I mean now, finally. I mean, anyone that obviously knows me from below deck or knows that I worked in yachting for 10 years.
A day in Dubai, I mean now, finally. I mean, anyone that obviously knows me from below deck or knows that I worked in yachting for 10 years.
You know what's actually crazy? Now I feel like I'm having a little bit of an identity crisis because everyone knew me as a yachtie or from below deck and that was my life and is still very much part of my life and I love the industry. So now I think once you step away, it's like you're trying to...
You know what's actually crazy? Now I feel like I'm having a little bit of an identity crisis because everyone knew me as a yachtie or from below deck and that was my life and is still very much part of my life and I love the industry. So now I think once you step away, it's like you're trying to...
give yourself and I'm sure maybe you're actually kind of going through this a little bit now I'm rebranding yeah we're all rebranding and it's kind of like okay well what's my purpose now like everyone knows you for one thing and you're trying to you know alter the course of your life but it's
give yourself and I'm sure maybe you're actually kind of going through this a little bit now I'm rebranding yeah we're all rebranding and it's kind of like okay well what's my purpose now like everyone knows you for one thing and you're trying to you know alter the course of your life but it's
crazy now because I feel like I went from one extreme to another I went from working 18 hour days to now working for myself waking up in the morning almost having too much free time on my hand which is obviously a blessing and I know that but like it's a really weird position to be in when you're so used to grinding and working so hard for so long that having too much time you're almost like
crazy now because I feel like I went from one extreme to another I went from working 18 hour days to now working for myself waking up in the morning almost having too much free time on my hand which is obviously a blessing and I know that but like it's a really weird position to be in when you're so used to grinding and working so hard for so long that having too much time you're almost like
I'm not achieving enough or I'm not doing enough.
I'm not achieving enough or I'm not doing enough.
Okay, best things are being a yachty, right? Like I said, you earn tax-free money. You're offshore. So number one, that's a... International waters. Yeah, you're in international waters. You're working for the top 1%, which automatically opens you to some of the craziest shit I've ever fucking seen.
Okay, best things are being a yachty, right? Like I said, you earn tax-free money. You're offshore. So number one, that's a... International waters. Yeah, you're in international waters. You're working for the top 1%, which automatically opens you to some of the craziest shit I've ever fucking seen.
um and then you also travel the world and you're getting paid to travel the world on these insane beautiful white floaty things and you're going to the most beautiful places in the world so like for me it was only meant to be a gap year i was meant to do it for like a year or two you know i just graduated uni didn't know i wanted to do my friend was like come do this and then we call it the golden handcuffs you get hooked because it's like too good to be true like yes you work your ass off
um and then you also travel the world and you're getting paid to travel the world on these insane beautiful white floaty things and you're going to the most beautiful places in the world so like for me it was only meant to be a gap year i was meant to do it for like a year or two you know i just graduated uni didn't know i wanted to do my friend was like come do this and then we call it the golden handcuffs you get hooked because it's like too good to be true like yes you work your ass off
Yeah. I mean, you sacrifice a lot and I would not change the last 10 years of my life at all. Like it's led me to a lot of, I've met so many people and I think as well, Tom Schwartz and met me to you, Schwartzy. Just kidding. Led me to you. And, uh,
Yeah. I mean, you sacrifice a lot and I would not change the last 10 years of my life at all. Like it's led me to a lot of, I've met so many people and I think as well, Tom Schwartz and met me to you, Schwartzy. Just kidding. Led me to you. And, uh,
your time of need apparently i was there i was down bad sorry you were saying no but yeah i mean it's like you get exposed to experiences you wouldn't normally get exposed to in a normal job you know so that in itself is amazing like you have to have a hard work ethic but Yeah, it's a wild industry and I just, I wouldn't change it for the world.
your time of need apparently i was there i was down bad sorry you were saying no but yeah i mean it's like you get exposed to experiences you wouldn't normally get exposed to in a normal job you know so that in itself is amazing like you have to have a hard work ethic but Yeah, it's a wild industry and I just, I wouldn't change it for the world.
I don't think I could do another 18 hour day again, but.
I don't think I could do another 18 hour day again, but.
Savage.
Savage.
You needed it, I think.
You needed it, I think.
I didn't understand how much you needed it at the time.
I didn't understand how much you needed it at the time.
I literally was chilling. You know what the funniest thing that people still give me shit for, and this is what we filmed, what, two years ago? Yeah. People still were like, don't believe that I didn't know who you were. And like, I mean that in the nicest way possible. But like, I never had watched Vanderpump. Or like, I'm sure maybe I'd seen an episode here and there.
I literally was chilling. You know what the funniest thing that people still give me shit for, and this is what we filmed, what, two years ago? Yeah. People still were like, don't believe that I didn't know who you were. And like, I mean that in the nicest way possible. But like, I never had watched Vanderpump. Or like, I'm sure maybe I'd seen an episode here and there.
But like, I genuinely didn't know. So I know this.
But like, I genuinely didn't know. So I know this.
It worked in your favor, to be fair. But like that, I think... Einstein 2020. One of my green screens when I was like, I genuinely didn't know who the fuck Tom Schwartz was. And everyone's like, she's a liar. Like, she's talking shit.
It worked in your favor, to be fair. But like that, I think... Einstein 2020. One of my green screens when I was like, I genuinely didn't know who the fuck Tom Schwartz was. And everyone's like, she's a liar. Like, she's talking shit.
Guys, I genuinely didn't know. And they were like, how did you not know? It's when the whole, you know... situation was going on but like guys I was working on a yacht I was based in Europe we don't get Bravo in Europe like my life was consumed by my job so like for me to watch TV like I barely even watch my own season of Below Dick so like why am I gonna sit and watch Another Bravo show.
Guys, I genuinely didn't know. And they were like, how did you not know? It's when the whole, you know... situation was going on but like guys I was working on a yacht I was based in Europe we don't get Bravo in Europe like my life was consumed by my job so like for me to watch TV like I barely even watch my own season of Below Dick so like why am I gonna sit and watch Another Bravo show.
No offense. Bravo. Love you.
No offense. Bravo. Love you.
I mean, do you?
I mean, do you?
You have a podcast and you're the one with the headphones on right now, mate. Yeah. We've got one pair of headphones right now when Schwartz is wearing them just so we can paint the picture right now. No, I don't think anyone... It's hard to watch yourself on TV. It's hard to hear your own voice. It's hard... I think anyone in the world can agree with that.
You have a podcast and you're the one with the headphones on right now, mate. Yeah. We've got one pair of headphones right now when Schwartz is wearing them just so we can paint the picture right now. No, I don't think anyone... It's hard to watch yourself on TV. It's hard to hear your own voice. It's hard... I think anyone in the world can agree with that.
Even movie stars... I mean, movie stars are actually very different to reality TV. Because I think with reality TV, we do a lot of things in the moment that... you watch it back or you get sync clips or you get tagged in something and you're like, oh, maybe that wasn't. I mean, you probably know this better than I do.
Even movie stars... I mean, movie stars are actually very different to reality TV. Because I think with reality TV, we do a lot of things in the moment that... you watch it back or you get sync clips or you get tagged in something and you're like, oh, maybe that wasn't. I mean, you probably know this better than I do.
So do you know what's actually crazy? Winterhouse never aired in New Zealand.
So do you know what's actually crazy? Winterhouse never aired in New Zealand.
I know, right? Actually, like, no, all of Summer House did. Like, I saw Carl, Amanda, and I was like, Carl, we started that. I swear. Goldfish? Seriously, it sorted out. But my family have always been super supportive. Even, like, when I got casted for Below Deck, my family was, like, really into it. But, yeah, Winter House actually never aired in New Zealand. It only aired in Australia.
I know, right? Actually, like, no, all of Summer House did. Like, I saw Carl, Amanda, and I was like, Carl, we started that. I swear. Goldfish? Seriously, it sorted out. But my family have always been super supportive. Even, like, when I got casted for Below Deck, my family was, like, really into it. But, yeah, Winter House actually never aired in New Zealand. It only aired in Australia.
But all my Australian friends were like, I think anyone close to you... Is always supportive. Whether, like, look, none of us are perfect. The only difference I think about me and you is.
But all my Australian friends were like, I think anyone close to you... Is always supportive. Whether, like, look, none of us are perfect. The only difference I think about me and you is.
Can we get a poll up right now? Should we get a poll up, guys? No, I think the only difference is if we make a mistake, it's out there on TV. And this is actually something I've always. So, guys, I obviously went back and watched. I've only watched one season of Vanderpump. But I respect you guys so much because you really, I don't think people understand when you guys put your life out there.
Can we get a poll up right now? Should we get a poll up, guys? No, I think the only difference is if we make a mistake, it's out there on TV. And this is actually something I've always. So, guys, I obviously went back and watched. I've only watched one season of Vanderpump. But I respect you guys so much because you really, I don't think people understand when you guys put your life out there.
Thank you for that, by the way. Thank you for that. I've Googled it, but it never really resonated with me. So thank you for the refresher course. You're welcome. That was beautifully stated and so concise. Okay, can I take a second to bridge any people rolling their eyes or don't like the word woo-woo? Maybe bridge skepticism with a little belief.
Thank you for that, by the way. Thank you for that. I've Googled it, but it never really resonated with me. So thank you for the refresher course. You're welcome. That was beautifully stated and so concise. Okay, can I take a second to bridge any people rolling their eyes or don't like the word woo-woo? Maybe bridge skepticism with a little belief.
Okay, so yeah, let's say I'm a little bit of a skeptic. Eyes are rolling way back in my head. They're like, this is pseudoscience rubbish. Or if someone is just, maybe someone's scared of like releasing some sort of inner demons, a dark passenger, if you will. So like, yeah, people are scared of the great unknown. Like what's a good introductory way of sort of welcoming them to this world?
Okay, so yeah, let's say I'm a little bit of a skeptic. Eyes are rolling way back in my head. They're like, this is pseudoscience rubbish. Or if someone is just, maybe someone's scared of like releasing some sort of inner demons, a dark passenger, if you will. So like, yeah, people are scared of the great unknown. Like what's a good introductory way of sort of welcoming them to this world?
Does that make sense?
Does that make sense?
Like what's a gateway drug? To get into the metaphysical, to get into quantum healing and chakra balancing.
Like what's a gateway drug? To get into the metaphysical, to get into quantum healing and chakra balancing.
Meditation. Oh, breath work, meditation.
Meditation. Oh, breath work, meditation.
What's like a good, cause like for people who are just too busy, too stressed, they got so much going on. They got the kids work. Like what's a good, like, do you know, do you have a good recommendation for like a good five or 10 minute meditation?
What's like a good, cause like for people who are just too busy, too stressed, they got so much going on. They got the kids work. Like what's a good, like, do you know, do you have a good recommendation for like a good five or 10 minute meditation?
I used to roll my eyes at this stuff too, but I've just felt a little stagnant lately. Some sort of emotional blockage. I mean, I'm fine overall, but Happy, grateful to be alive, lucky where I'm at, but just stagnant spiritually. I'm putting in the work. I do workouts, airport, beers, self-help books, YouTube University.
I used to roll my eyes at this stuff too, but I've just felt a little stagnant lately. Some sort of emotional blockage. I mean, I'm fine overall, but Happy, grateful to be alive, lucky where I'm at, but just stagnant spiritually. I'm putting in the work. I do workouts, airport, beers, self-help books, YouTube University.
I love that. I love that. It's kind of a vulnerable thing when you do these sessions with people. Have you ever had a session with someone where they have like a complete emotional breakthrough, like something that's almost life-changing?
I love that. I love that. It's kind of a vulnerable thing when you do these sessions with people. Have you ever had a session with someone where they have like a complete emotional breakthrough, like something that's almost life-changing?
Yeah, I had such a good deep belly laugh the other day. And I felt it was as good as any... Not to... diminish the great work that therapists do out there. I'm a champion for therapy, but I had such a good laugh out of the blue that I felt like, I don't know, I felt like a million bucks. It was so cathartic and I hadn't had one in such a long time.
Yeah, I had such a good deep belly laugh the other day. And I felt it was as good as any... Not to... diminish the great work that therapists do out there. I'm a champion for therapy, but I had such a good laugh out of the blue that I felt like, I don't know, I felt like a million bucks. It was so cathartic and I hadn't had one in such a long time.
Oh my God. I know it's cliche, but it truly is the best remedy. Like, I just was remembering back on Vanderpump Rules days. We did, like, a Reiki session. And she was legit. But, you know, when you're filming, you don't have enough time to really do the work. So it was kind of a surface-level session. Also, like, it kind of became, like, a punchline because everyone thought...
Oh my God. I know it's cliche, but it truly is the best remedy. Like, I just was remembering back on Vanderpump Rules days. We did, like, a Reiki session. And she was legit. But, you know, when you're filming, you don't have enough time to really do the work. So it was kind of a surface-level session. Also, like, it kind of became, like, a punchline because everyone thought...
one of our cast members, Jack's shagged the Reiki teacher. He didn't, he didn't just for the record. But I imagine when people are opening up to you, they, yeah, they're feeling vulnerable. Like do people ever almost afterwards imprint on you or like almost fall in love? You know what I mean? In a sense, not literally, but does that ever happen where people like become kind of obsessed with you?
one of our cast members, Jack's shagged the Reiki teacher. He didn't, he didn't just for the record. But I imagine when people are opening up to you, they, yeah, they're feeling vulnerable. Like do people ever almost afterwards imprint on you or like almost fall in love? You know what I mean? In a sense, not literally, but does that ever happen where people like become kind of obsessed with you?
Is it a liability in this line of work?
Is it a liability in this line of work?
Jacqueline, I promise not to fall in love with you.
Jacqueline, I promise not to fall in love with you.
That's such an interesting note because like sometimes I'll watch YouTube tutorials and TikTok and they're informative. I'm learning things and I'll feel a sense of accomplishment, but I'm not putting that knowledge into action. It just rots in my brain. I hate that term. It's just stored in the back of my mind in case I'm ever watching an episode of like Jeopardy. You know what I mean?
That's such an interesting note because like sometimes I'll watch YouTube tutorials and TikTok and they're informative. I'm learning things and I'll feel a sense of accomplishment, but I'm not putting that knowledge into action. It just rots in my brain. I hate that term. It's just stored in the back of my mind in case I'm ever watching an episode of like Jeopardy. You know what I mean?
I'm trying to better myself on a fairly regular basis, but I just feel like I need a spiritual tune-up lately. I feel like a lot of people do. So today... We're not going to just dip our toes in, okay? We're diving headfirst into the energetic healing realm, okay? The energetic deep.
I'm trying to better myself on a fairly regular basis, but I just feel like I need a spiritual tune-up lately. I feel like a lot of people do. So today... We're not going to just dip our toes in, okay? We're diving headfirst into the energetic healing realm, okay? The energetic deep.
um well okay just another one-on-one question and i imagine the answer is going to be it depends but how often do you recommend people get energy healings or come seek guidance to realign their chakras stuff like that yeah it does depend yeah personally if you're going through something it really just depends on like how what is coming up that needs to be
um well okay just another one-on-one question and i imagine the answer is going to be it depends but how often do you recommend people get energy healings or come seek guidance to realign their chakras stuff like that yeah it does depend yeah personally if you're going through something it really just depends on like how what is coming up that needs to be
Okay, quarterly.
Okay, quarterly.
See, that's so doable.
See, that's so doable.
Jacqueline, wake me up before you go-go. So, okay, cool. And so before you do a procedure like this, today we're going to be doing... It's quantum energy healing. Quantum energy healing. That sounds badass. I mean, I love, I really like the sound of that. Can you tell us just like a brief overview of what that is?
Jacqueline, wake me up before you go-go. So, okay, cool. And so before you do a procedure like this, today we're going to be doing... It's quantum energy healing. Quantum energy healing. That sounds badass. I mean, I love, I really like the sound of that. Can you tell us just like a brief overview of what that is?
You guys stick with us here. Why not?
You guys stick with us here. Why not?
The more I know, the less I know. Yeah.
The more I know, the less I know. Yeah.
Open-minded. Do you have to have a firm belief or conviction for it to work? I think back, I remember in college, I took a creative writing class on The Matrix. And in order to become the one Neo, he had to believe. Do I have to believe? Can I be a skeptic and still see positive results from a session with you?
Open-minded. Do you have to have a firm belief or conviction for it to work? I think back, I remember in college, I took a creative writing class on The Matrix. And in order to become the one Neo, he had to believe. Do I have to believe? Can I be a skeptic and still see positive results from a session with you?
And I'm not just talking about Gordo and Butters, who are chilling right next to me, my daily healers, who I love and appreciate, but we're talking chakra blocks and emotional healing, trying something a little unconventional that might bring back some harmony, you know? So whether you're a certified skeptic or full-blown cosmic tree hugger, or just somewhere in between, this one's for you.
And I'm not just talking about Gordo and Butters, who are chilling right next to me, my daily healers, who I love and appreciate, but we're talking chakra blocks and emotional healing, trying something a little unconventional that might bring back some harmony, you know? So whether you're a certified skeptic or full-blown cosmic tree hugger, or just somewhere in between, this one's for you.
That's the perfect answer. You're just blocked off. It's not going to work.
That's the perfect answer. You're just blocked off. It's not going to work.
Which I love all that stuff, but you got to expand your mind, your horizons a little bit. I think that comes with wisdom, life experience, losing a loved one, travel. It really helps you open up your mind. For some people, they go in the other direction and they become more closed off, which is sad. Understandable though.
Which I love all that stuff, but you got to expand your mind, your horizons a little bit. I think that comes with wisdom, life experience, losing a loved one, travel. It really helps you open up your mind. For some people, they go in the other direction and they become more closed off, which is sad. Understandable though.
Which is all great, but in moderation.
Which is all great, but in moderation.
Detox, retox.
Detox, retox.
Emphasis on detox. just for the record. It's so nice sitting here with you. We're about to start the session, my first quantum healing session with Jacqueline. So what am I gonna, so you're gonna administer, or is it, so you can, traditionally you can do, you don't have to do anything, but you can do a little microdose. You can do pure cocoa powder.
Emphasis on detox. just for the record. It's so nice sitting here with you. We're about to start the session, my first quantum healing session with Jacqueline. So what am I gonna, so you're gonna administer, or is it, so you can, traditionally you can do, you don't have to do anything, but you can do a little microdose. You can do pure cocoa powder.
Not cocaine.
Not cocaine.
No, I don't listen. I'm truly excited for this and I'm going to fully embrace it. Um, we're going to do a session, uh, and it's hop by yes.
No, I don't listen. I'm truly excited for this and I'm going to fully embrace it. Um, we're going to do a session, uh, and it's hop by yes.
Hoppe. We're going to administer the hoppe. You guys, I'm not going to record or film this because I want to commit to it fully. And I feel like if I talk through it or we film it, I won't. So I want to fully immerse myself in the process. Any last words?
Hoppe. We're going to administer the hoppe. You guys, I'm not going to record or film this because I want to commit to it fully. And I feel like if I talk through it or we film it, I won't. So I want to fully immerse myself in the process. Any last words?
May the Schwartz be with you. All right. Hey guys, I'm back. I was just telling Jacqueline it somehow feels like a little Hollywood to hop back on the mic after such a profound experience. I'm going to steal your words. Is that okay? Go for it. I felt like, first of all, I needed that. It felt like a gentle but profound rebirth. Yeah, I liked when you said that. I had to memorize it.
May the Schwartz be with you. All right. Hey guys, I'm back. I was just telling Jacqueline it somehow feels like a little Hollywood to hop back on the mic after such a profound experience. I'm going to steal your words. Is that okay? Go for it. I felt like, first of all, I needed that. It felt like a gentle but profound rebirth. Yeah, I liked when you said that. I had to memorize it.
No, but I just, yeah, I don't really have that much to say. I think I have to think for a while, but yeah. It just made me feel lucky to be alive and grateful for all the love in my life, but also kind of sad for people who don't have such a great support system and aren't as lucky. Yeah, I have 99 problems just like everybody else, but I just feel really lucky and grateful.
No, but I just, yeah, I don't really have that much to say. I think I have to think for a while, but yeah. It just made me feel lucky to be alive and grateful for all the love in my life, but also kind of sad for people who don't have such a great support system and aren't as lucky. Yeah, I have 99 problems just like everybody else, but I just feel really lucky and grateful.
It sounds stock, but it's from the heart. And universal love. is the only thing that matters it sounds so hippy dippy right now but you guys highly recommend it maybe i'll take a beat and process this um i don't want to like analyze it or dissect it and kill it in the process no you shouldn't But thank you, Jacqueline. Thank you. That was really something special. Truly. Not woo-woo at all.
It sounds stock, but it's from the heart. And universal love. is the only thing that matters it sounds so hippy dippy right now but you guys highly recommend it maybe i'll take a beat and process this um i don't want to like analyze it or dissect it and kill it in the process no you shouldn't But thank you, Jacqueline. Thank you. That was really something special. Truly. Not woo-woo at all.
Okay, this one's for us. Or maybe you're just curious about opening up your mind a little bit, trying something new. I think it's good to be a healthy skeptic, a critical thinker, but why not? Yeah, as I've gotten older, why not have an emotional support crystal in your room? Okay, I'm rocking Rose Quartz for the Schwartz. What's the downside?
Okay, this one's for us. Or maybe you're just curious about opening up your mind a little bit, trying something new. I think it's good to be a healthy skeptic, a critical thinker, but why not? Yeah, as I've gotten older, why not have an emotional support crystal in your room? Okay, I'm rocking Rose Quartz for the Schwartz. What's the downside?
Because I feel like it's had a profound effect on me. And yeah. Yeah. This really feels like a butterfly effect marks a new chapter in my life.
Because I feel like it's had a profound effect on me. And yeah. Yeah. This really feels like a butterfly effect marks a new chapter in my life.
I appreciate you. I appreciate you. Thank you for taking time out of your day. And I know after this, we'll clean up. I'll pay you. I'm going to go to the Dodgers game, eat peanuts and drink a beer. But in some small way, I just want you to know, maybe like in a butterfly effect sort of way, like I said, I think you've really, really had a major impact on me. So thank you.
I appreciate you. I appreciate you. Thank you for taking time out of your day. And I know after this, we'll clean up. I'll pay you. I'm going to go to the Dodgers game, eat peanuts and drink a beer. But in some small way, I just want you to know, maybe like in a butterfly effect sort of way, like I said, I think you've really, really had a major impact on me. So thank you.
Yeah. And I got to figure out a better way to set up the studio. Because I'm like half. Yeah, I know. Half on the couch, half off.
Yeah. And I got to figure out a better way to set up the studio. Because I'm like half. Yeah, I know. Half on the couch, half off.
Can I plug you? Yeah. Is that okay? Please. Will you plug yourself actually?
Can I plug you? Yeah. Is that okay? Please. Will you plug yourself actually?
Wow. Perfectly said. Beautifully stated. And yeah, just thank you from the deepest part of my heart. Thank you for sharing with us, with me. And you guys, that was awesome. I'm going to wrap it up there. Maybe I'll leave another note later, but I'm going to go and just marinate in this feeling.
Wow. Perfectly said. Beautifully stated. And yeah, just thank you from the deepest part of my heart. Thank you for sharing with us, with me. And you guys, that was awesome. I'm going to wrap it up there. Maybe I'll leave another note later, but I'm going to go and just marinate in this feeling.
One last thing. I think I love you.
One last thing. I think I love you.
Thank you, Jacqueline. I appreciate you.
Thank you, Jacqueline. I appreciate you.
Hey guys. Yeah, so... That was... Something special. Truly. I don't remember exactly what I said right after the ceremony. But... I'm thinking, Tom, don't be too precious about it. I'm just thinking, why not? It was really something... Special. Like, I just... I remember the whole pay. The way they administer. Yeah, they blow it up. Jacqueline, she blew it up my nose. It was...
Hey guys. Yeah, so... That was... Something special. Truly. I don't remember exactly what I said right after the ceremony. But... I'm thinking, Tom, don't be too precious about it. I'm just thinking, why not? It was really something... Special. Like, I just... I remember the whole pay. The way they administer. Yeah, they blow it up. Jacqueline, she blew it up my nose. It was...
very intense by the way not psychoactive i never felt like i lost control but it was intense it felt like a spiritual sandstorm sort of blew over my my brain my cerebral cortex it was yeah it was something very special moving i cried a lot it's really beautiful yeah i'm gonna be precious it was beautiful i may be even profound and i went on to have one of the
very intense by the way not psychoactive i never felt like i lost control but it was intense it felt like a spiritual sandstorm sort of blew over my my brain my cerebral cortex it was yeah it was something very special moving i cried a lot it's really beautiful yeah i'm gonna be precious it was beautiful i may be even profound and i went on to have one of the
this days of my life I had a really good day feel very grounded Dodgers won and yeah just feeling really in tune with myself you know it's like I got a yeah I think I said a hug from the universe that's kind of how it felt honestly hope I'm not losing you guys here thanks for sticking with me if you're still here with me quantum freaking healing
this days of my life I had a really good day feel very grounded Dodgers won and yeah just feeling really in tune with myself you know it's like I got a yeah I think I said a hug from the universe that's kind of how it felt honestly hope I'm not losing you guys here thanks for sticking with me if you're still here with me quantum freaking healing
As long as you're not basing major life decisions on what your crystal's telling you, I think it's okay. What's the downside? If a little chakra cleanse can help us keep on keeping on, let's keep on. So here we go, guys. This is a special one. I hope you enjoy it. Gonna try something new here. Okay, you guys, first time ever in the Detox Retox studio.
As long as you're not basing major life decisions on what your crystal's telling you, I think it's okay. What's the downside? If a little chakra cleanse can help us keep on keeping on, let's keep on. So here we go, guys. This is a special one. I hope you enjoy it. Gonna try something new here. Okay, you guys, first time ever in the Detox Retox studio.
And it's, yeah, it's just kind of the idea that our thoughts and energy can influence our physical health on like a deep, deep, maybe even cellular level, using your intention and awareness to help the body heal from the inside out. Yeah, I like that. Should it replace modern medicine? No. Go see your doctor. I'm just saying it was healing. It was healing. Thank you, Jacqueline.
And it's, yeah, it's just kind of the idea that our thoughts and energy can influence our physical health on like a deep, deep, maybe even cellular level, using your intention and awareness to help the body heal from the inside out. Yeah, I like that. Should it replace modern medicine? No. Go see your doctor. I'm just saying it was healing. It was healing. Thank you, Jacqueline.
Treat it like kind of an extra support system or like an extra supportive layer for stress reduction or emotional well-being. Maybe just a good cry or boosting your mindset, you know. Anyways, awesome. Highly recommend it. And I do feel like that was kind of a little bit of a rebirth. You guys, I'm going to shut up. Thank you for sticking around this long. Jacqueline, I appreciate you so much.
Treat it like kind of an extra support system or like an extra supportive layer for stress reduction or emotional well-being. Maybe just a good cry or boosting your mindset, you know. Anyways, awesome. Highly recommend it. And I do feel like that was kind of a little bit of a rebirth. You guys, I'm going to shut up. Thank you for sticking around this long. Jacqueline, I appreciate you so much.
Check out her podcast. All right. I'm signing off, guys. Thank you for tuning in to another episode of Detox Retox. We're keeping it together so we can fall apart responsibly. All right. I'm signing off. Love you guys.
Check out her podcast. All right. I'm signing off, guys. Thank you for tuning in to another episode of Detox Retox. We're keeping it together so we can fall apart responsibly. All right. I'm signing off. Love you guys.
Sitting across from me is the very special, very powerful Jacqueline.
Sitting across from me is the very special, very powerful Jacqueline.
That wasn't the best introduction. It was a little anticlimactic. It was perfect. Do you want to introduce yourself?
That wasn't the best introduction. It was a little anticlimactic. It was perfect. Do you want to introduce yourself?
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Thank you. I appreciate that.
spiritual advisory work so i have a podcast where i talk about awakening and spirituality and helping people really reclaim their self-worth okay that's exactly what i need right now i had a very strange few years but i'm happy to have you here grateful to have you here um also here are butters and gordo my daily energy healers they bring me so much joy they'll be getting some today too so can i ask you like how you got into this world
spiritual advisory work so i have a podcast where i talk about awakening and spirituality and helping people really reclaim their self-worth okay that's exactly what i need right now i had a very strange few years but i'm happy to have you here grateful to have you here um also here are butters and gordo my daily energy healers they bring me so much joy they'll be getting some today too so can i ask you like how you got into this world
I love that. Do you think part of it was innate? Yeah. in you or did it sort of evolve organically, naturally through nurture, not nature?
I love that. Do you think part of it was innate? Yeah. in you or did it sort of evolve organically, naturally through nurture, not nature?
You guys, stick with us here. It is a little woo-woo, but woo-woo's not a bad word. We talked about this, okay? For the uninitiated, can I just ask you, what are your chakras? Is it something I can blame bad luck on, seasonal depression, not hitting my 19 parlay bets when I gamble? I know the gist of it, but can you give us your interpretation of chakras?
You guys, stick with us here. It is a little woo-woo, but woo-woo's not a bad word. We talked about this, okay? For the uninitiated, can I just ask you, what are your chakras? Is it something I can blame bad luck on, seasonal depression, not hitting my 19 parlay bets when I gamble? I know the gist of it, but can you give us your interpretation of chakras?
Hello, guys. I just wanted to check in real quick. I'm wondering when the last time is you took a nice, deep breath. Maybe we can do one together at the top here. Ready? In through the nose. Ah. Just, you know what, like, taking it easy on yourself, if only for a day. Telling your inner critic to shut up. Channeling your inner Stuart Smalley. I'm good enough. I'm smart enough.
Hello, guys. I just wanted to check in real quick. I'm wondering when the last time is you took a nice, deep breath. Maybe we can do one together at the top here. Ready? In through the nose. Ah. Just, you know what, like, taking it easy on yourself, if only for a day. Telling your inner critic to shut up. Channeling your inner Stuart Smalley. I'm good enough. I'm smart enough.
101.
101.
Okay, that sounds awesome.
Okay, that sounds awesome.
That was me the past two years, just floundering, spiraling. But yeah, we'll come back to that.
That was me the past two years, just floundering, spiraling. But yeah, we'll come back to that.
Yeah, there's times where like a week will go by and I'm like, have I taken one breath, one good deep breath? Sometimes I ask people that, not sarcastically or condescendingly or patronizingly, but like when's the last time you took a nice deep breath? Yesterday, I was on set doing a shoot and I took a whiff of a rose and it blew my mind.
Yeah, there's times where like a week will go by and I'm like, have I taken one breath, one good deep breath? Sometimes I ask people that, not sarcastically or condescendingly or patronizingly, but like when's the last time you took a nice deep breath? Yesterday, I was on set doing a shoot and I took a whiff of a rose and it blew my mind.
I know you guys are rolling your eyes right now, but when's the last time you literally smelled a rose Because they are so fragrant and beautiful. Anyways.
I know you guys are rolling your eyes right now, but when's the last time you literally smelled a rose Because they are so fragrant and beautiful. Anyways.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's so attainable.
That's so attainable.
See you guys, I told you, baby steps.
See you guys, I told you, baby steps.
I like to do the in three seconds and then hold for four and then exhale for eight. You know that one?
I like to do the in three seconds and then hold for four and then exhale for eight. You know that one?
Wait, we're not on video. Let's just keep going. But I cut you off.
Wait, we're not on video. Let's just keep going. But I cut you off.
Box breathing.
Box breathing.
My solar plexus was down bad the last two years.
My solar plexus was down bad the last two years.
Just stress from family, business.
Just stress from family, business.
And God darn it, people like me. Um, sorry, this popped in my head. But this week, you guys, we're going to do something a little different. I know it's only three episodes in, and I don't want to lose you guys, but like, remember we agreed woo-woo's not going to be a bad word? I'm asking you guys, what if? What if woo-woo works?
And God darn it, people like me. Um, sorry, this popped in my head. But this week, you guys, we're going to do something a little different. I know it's only three episodes in, and I don't want to lose you guys, but like, remember we agreed woo-woo's not going to be a bad word? I'm asking you guys, what if? What if woo-woo works?
So I got a lot of that.
So I got a lot of that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's no crying in baseball.
There's no crying in baseball.
Wrong reference for that. Exactly. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Wrong reference for that. Exactly. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
And not just living on autopilot, which is so easy to get into like a coasting routine. You wake up, brush your teeth, maybe get a quick workout and go to work, come home, eat, maybe play some video games, read a book.
And not just living on autopilot, which is so easy to get into like a coasting routine. You wake up, brush your teeth, maybe get a quick workout and go to work, come home, eat, maybe play some video games, read a book.
Kick it with your loved ones. Watch the new season of you, which was awesome. And then just go to bed. It's so good, but it's like, it's so easy to get caught up and not that that's a bad thing, but like, I don't know. Sometimes the doldrums or the monotony of that can just become, make you kind of give you a little existential dread.
Kick it with your loved ones. Watch the new season of you, which was awesome. And then just go to bed. It's so good, but it's like, it's so easy to get caught up and not that that's a bad thing, but like, I don't know. Sometimes the doldrums or the monotony of that can just become, make you kind of give you a little existential dread.
Someone told me that one time. They're like, your life will be a lot better if you just remember that only 20% of people have free will. And I was like, that's so misanthropic. I don't know. That felt so bleak. Are you guys saying that 80% of people are NPCs? I will not accept that. But I mean, sometimes it feels that way, especially when you're in traffic on the 405. Oh, my God. 90% NPCs. Yep.
Someone told me that one time. They're like, your life will be a lot better if you just remember that only 20% of people have free will. And I was like, that's so misanthropic. I don't know. That felt so bleak. Are you guys saying that 80% of people are NPCs? I will not accept that. But I mean, sometimes it feels that way, especially when you're in traffic on the 405. Oh, my God. 90% NPCs. Yep.
Sorry.
Sorry.
I know you've seen those cheesy little posters on the TikTok shop that say, what if it all works out? I like that. So today we're talking energy healing and chakras, which I've Googled, but I still don't fully understand. We have an expert coming in, but yeah, maybe we're going to get a little woo woo. Okay. Stick with me for a bit here. Keep your third eye of the mind open.
I know you've seen those cheesy little posters on the TikTok shop that say, what if it all works out? I like that. So today we're talking energy healing and chakras, which I've Googled, but I still don't fully understand. We have an expert coming in, but yeah, maybe we're going to get a little woo woo. Okay. Stick with me for a bit here. Keep your third eye of the mind open.
We're saying this jokingly, you guys. There's a lot of people out there whose chakras might be blocked. One or all seven of them. I heard someone use the term spiritually constipated.
We're saying this jokingly, you guys. There's a lot of people out there whose chakras might be blocked. One or all seven of them. I heard someone use the term spiritually constipated.
I kind of like that one.
I kind of like that one.
It stuck with me.
It stuck with me.
And that's how I've felt the past few years. Yeah. But like, yeah, listen, I got some work to do. I don't have a victim mentality. I just had a very, very intense few years, you know, family members in and out of the hospitals, almost dying, life support, divorces, losing...
And that's how I've felt the past few years. Yeah. But like, yeah, listen, I got some work to do. I don't have a victim mentality. I just had a very, very intense few years, you know, family members in and out of the hospitals, almost dying, life support, divorces, losing...
freaking million dollar business it was intense life came at me quick but i feel like i'm in a much better place but i don't think i've fully processed or healed from it all but yeah i'm a work in progress we're all work in progress and just to finish off because there is one more chakra that's right sorry there's the seventh one the seventh chakra and it's the crown the
freaking million dollar business it was intense life came at me quick but i feel like i'm in a much better place but i don't think i've fully processed or healed from it all but yeah i'm a work in progress we're all work in progress and just to finish off because there is one more chakra that's right sorry there's the seventh one the seventh chakra and it's the crown the
Yeah, I mean, for, let's just say the less informed and be sweet, but it's easy to look at the current state of the world or where we're at and be like, why would you even some people like everyone's okay with the LGBT community, it's a safe place to be gay in America, but It's not. There's still places in America where it's scary to be outwardly part of the gay community.
Yeah, I mean, for, let's just say the less informed and be sweet, but it's easy to look at the current state of the world or where we're at and be like, why would you even some people like everyone's okay with the LGBT community, it's a safe place to be gay in America, but It's not. There's still places in America where it's scary to be outwardly part of the gay community.
In my experience, there's a lot of people who support the community. They approve of gay marriage. They hang out with gay people. They have gay friends. They're definitely not homophobic, but at least once or twice, maybe even in the privacy of their own brains, they've wondered... Why do we need gay pride in this day and age?
In my experience, there's a lot of people who support the community. They approve of gay marriage. They hang out with gay people. They have gay friends. They're definitely not homophobic, but at least once or twice, maybe even in the privacy of their own brains, they've wondered... Why do we need gay pride in this day and age?
Yeah, no, it's, I mean, for the most part, we feel very safe and we're very lucky to live where we live. You can be who you want. It's the pink pony club, right?
Yeah, no, it's, I mean, for the most part, we feel very safe and we're very lucky to live where we live. You can be who you want. It's the pink pony club, right?
right and that is i that's that's part of it which in case anyone is wondering the pink pony club the song is actually it she's talking about the app she's talking about the abby yeah and i listen i'm probably one of the least discriminated against humans possible uh i'm a cis white you're male dude i'm moderately good looking i'm six one yeah but you're actually the least but still i just always felt drawn to west hollywood to new york because i loved
right and that is i that's that's part of it which in case anyone is wondering the pink pony club the song is actually it she's talking about the app she's talking about the abby yeah and i listen i'm probably one of the least discriminated against humans possible uh i'm a cis white you're male dude i'm moderately good looking i'm six one yeah but you're actually the least but still i just always felt drawn to west hollywood to new york because i loved
Listen, I love the gay community. I feel like half of my friends are gay. And I just feel like I can be my purest self here. You know what I mean?
Listen, I love the gay community. I feel like half of my friends are gay. And I just feel like I can be my purest self here. You know what I mean?
Be an ally, not a bad guy. You know what I usually chalk it up to are diagnosed people who are homophobic, lack of education, lack of life experience, or they're highly educated, but they're fundamentally flawed fools. Usually, I swear, 80% of the time, if they're deeply homophobic and there's like a seething rage, they're gay. I was like, closet case. They're closeted.
Be an ally, not a bad guy. You know what I usually chalk it up to are diagnosed people who are homophobic, lack of education, lack of life experience, or they're highly educated, but they're fundamentally flawed fools. Usually, I swear, 80% of the time, if they're deeply homophobic and there's like a seething rage, they're gay. I was like, closet case. They're closeted.
That's actually a scientific... They're disgusted with their sexual impulses and the way that they cope with it is to...
That's actually a scientific... They're disgusted with their sexual impulses and the way that they cope with it is to...
You guys, that's why we need I mean, there's so many reasons, but amongst like, it's so important people sometimes people like why do they need their own day, which is incredibly insulting, because they've been ostracized for for most of history. You know what I mean?
You guys, that's why we need I mean, there's so many reasons, but amongst like, it's so important people sometimes people like why do they need their own day, which is incredibly insulting, because they've been ostracized for for most of history. You know what I mean?
There's a there was a time in America where and even still some parts of America where it's very unsafe to be like I said earlier, outwardly gay.
There's a there was a time in America where and even still some parts of America where it's very unsafe to be like I said earlier, outwardly gay.
Is gay pride still really necessary in 2025 and not in like a snarky or even mildly homophobic way? Not in like a spiteful, sneering way. At least I don't hope so. But they're just like, why? Why do we still need it? Well, we're going to get into that, and we're also going to remind ourselves why safe spaces and gay bars matter too.
Is gay pride still really necessary in 2025 and not in like a snarky or even mildly homophobic way? Not in like a spiteful, sneering way. At least I don't hope so. But they're just like, why? Why do we still need it? Well, we're going to get into that, and we're also going to remind ourselves why safe spaces and gay bars matter too.
If you are not personally free to be yourself in that most important of all human activities, the expression of love, then life itself loses its meaning. Harvey Milk. Hi guys, welcome to another episode of Detox Retox. It's your boy Tom Schwartz. This episode, this week, we're celebrating pride. By the way, do you guys feel that? We're in a love frequency.
If you are not personally free to be yourself in that most important of all human activities, the expression of love, then life itself loses its meaning. Harvey Milk. Hi guys, welcome to another episode of Detox Retox. It's your boy Tom Schwartz. This episode, this week, we're celebrating pride. By the way, do you guys feel that? We're in a love frequency.
No, it was nice.
No, it was nice.
By the way, I feel like all my listeners are huge supporters of the LGBTQIA communities. They are. But I imagine... By the way, the reason we're drinking Smirnoff... Oh my God, I literally just took a sip of this and I had a flashback to... It's the closest thing we have to time travel. Taste, scent, music. Where does this take you back to? When did you have your first drink and what was it?
By the way, I feel like all my listeners are huge supporters of the LGBTQIA communities. They are. But I imagine... By the way, the reason we're drinking Smirnoff... Oh my God, I literally just took a sip of this and I had a flashback to... It's the closest thing we have to time travel. Taste, scent, music. Where does this take you back to? When did you have your first drink and what was it?
It was Smirnoff.
It was Smirnoff.
time but that first drink was smirnoff like how many how many sobriety or no how many um did it take how many how many virginities has has smirnoff ice taken how many people in this planet their first i would assume all of them yeah if smirnoff ice isn't there have you lost your virginity or are you still a virgin if we wait if we zoom into that time you're 18
time but that first drink was smirnoff like how many how many sobriety or no how many um did it take how many how many virginities has has smirnoff ice taken how many people in this planet their first i would assume all of them yeah if smirnoff ice isn't there have you lost your virginity or are you still a virgin if we wait if we zoom into that time you're 18
You're at the party with your friends. You're getting tipsy on Smirnoff ice at that moment in time.
You're at the party with your friends. You're getting tipsy on Smirnoff ice at that moment in time.
He's icing me out as he's icing me.
He's icing me out as he's icing me.
No, we're zoomed in now. We're back in Kentucky. We're in Louisville, right? Louisville, yeah. We're in Louisville. You're sipping some Smirnoff ice. You're 18. Have you come out at that moment in time?
No, we're zoomed in now. We're back in Kentucky. We're in Louisville, right? Louisville, yeah. We're in Louisville. You're sipping some Smirnoff ice. You're 18. Have you come out at that moment in time?
Um, did you have a little bit of an overcompensating journey yourself where you were?
Um, did you have a little bit of an overcompensating journey yourself where you were?
Did you know how... You knew from a very young age.
Did you know how... You knew from a very young age.
What was the dynamic with your family? Not to play with, but were you nervous to come out to your family?
What was the dynamic with your family? Not to play with, but were you nervous to come out to your family?
And obviously, this can be implied to people who are persecuted and marginalized from all walks of life for the color of their skin, sexuality, religion, etc. Why? That's why they take pride in celebrating their progress, okay? That's why they have national holidays. I mean, let's be honest, the president, Donald Trump, he says he loves his gays. I love my gays.
And obviously, this can be implied to people who are persecuted and marginalized from all walks of life for the color of their skin, sexuality, religion, etc. Why? That's why they take pride in celebrating their progress, okay? That's why they have national holidays. I mean, let's be honest, the president, Donald Trump, he says he loves his gays. I love my gays.
Before the internet, Ellen kissing another woman would have broken the internet.
Before the internet, Ellen kissing another woman would have broken the internet.
You guys, that was like 20 years ago, 25 years ago.
You guys, that was like 20 years ago, 25 years ago.
Like it was yesterday.
Like it was yesterday.
They were so juicy. Zach, tomorrow you find out that they're going to do an updated version. Uber Confessions. But it's a documentary on everything you've ever said. while drunk in the back of an Uber. On a scale of 1 to 10, how scared are you?
They were so juicy. Zach, tomorrow you find out that they're going to do an updated version. Uber Confessions. But it's a documentary on everything you've ever said. while drunk in the back of an Uber. On a scale of 1 to 10, how scared are you?
Let's not digress.
Let's not digress.
We're back in Kentucky. We're back in Kentucky. We're sipping Smirnoff again. Wait, did you, did it feel safe in your community? Let's, let's be honest. Kentucky doesn't have the best reputation, the most liberal progressive reputation, although they've come a long way for sure, especially certain parts like Lexington and stuff. But did you feel safe coming out in Kentucky? Yeah.
We're back in Kentucky. We're back in Kentucky. We're sipping Smirnoff again. Wait, did you, did it feel safe in your community? Let's, let's be honest. Kentucky doesn't have the best reputation, the most liberal progressive reputation, although they've come a long way for sure, especially certain parts like Lexington and stuff. But did you feel safe coming out in Kentucky? Yeah.
So you felt relatively safe. Did you have any overarching sense of shame or anything? Or do you had a good supportive group of friends and community and it felt like a pretty safe place to be Zach Wickham, be who you are, express your sexuality?
So you felt relatively safe. Did you have any overarching sense of shame or anything? Or do you had a good supportive group of friends and community and it felt like a pretty safe place to be Zach Wickham, be who you are, express your sexuality?
That's got to be some kind of record. Seven proms is egregious.
That's got to be some kind of record. Seven proms is egregious.
That's so funny.
That's so funny.
Now we have ChatGPT as our therapist. We have the internet. But before then, like, yeah, if you live in a small, any town USA, it could have been a scary time to be.
Now we have ChatGPT as our therapist. We have the internet. But before then, like, yeah, if you live in a small, any town USA, it could have been a scary time to be.
But some of the recent legislation would beg to differ. It's scary out there right now. You know, spending so much time in cities like Los Angeles, New York, San Francisco, it's easy to forget the history, the trials and tribulations members of the gay community have had to overcome and endure. Have you guys seen Milk? Harvey Milk, he's an icon. He's a legend. Shit, the Stonewall Riots...
But some of the recent legislation would beg to differ. It's scary out there right now. You know, spending so much time in cities like Los Angeles, New York, San Francisco, it's easy to forget the history, the trials and tribulations members of the gay community have had to overcome and endure. Have you guys seen Milk? Harvey Milk, he's an icon. He's a legend. Shit, the Stonewall Riots...
It was. No, it couldn't. No.
It was. No, it couldn't. No.
You mean for the uninitiated, the deep closet, transitioning into their own powerful sense of self.
You mean for the uninitiated, the deep closet, transitioning into their own powerful sense of self.
like gay bars are to the gay community but yeah no yeah i mean i've just yeah again in my 15 years i've heard so many yeah again uplifting stories but also really sad stories about people who are now estranged with their families they have zero communication with their mother their father because they just never accepted their lifestyle or who they were their sexuality and it breaks my heart well it's not easy coming out it's not easy coming out
like gay bars are to the gay community but yeah no yeah i mean i've just yeah again in my 15 years i've heard so many yeah again uplifting stories but also really sad stories about people who are now estranged with their families they have zero communication with their mother their father because they just never accepted their lifestyle or who they were their sexuality and it breaks my heart well it's not easy coming out it's not easy coming out
Yeah, there's joy and pain. There's pain and joy. There's so many people who are...
Yeah, there's joy and pain. There's pain and joy. There's so many people who are...
Right now, though, I will say, in this very moment, in our little, I guess, microclimate, microcosm, in our little WeHo bubble, this is like one of my favorite times of year. Summer is about to summer. Pride is upon us. Like, the love... in the air is palpable.
Right now, though, I will say, in this very moment, in our little, I guess, microclimate, microcosm, in our little WeHo bubble, this is like one of my favorite times of year. Summer is about to summer. Pride is upon us. Like, the love... in the air is palpable.
You can feel the love coursing through the air. It's palpable.
You can feel the love coursing through the air. It's palpable.
I feel it this time of year.
I feel it this time of year.
I feel it in my... No, but usually this time of year, so many good things are happening. Yeah, Pride's about to start. That's usually the beginning of a new season of Vanderpump Rules.
I feel it in my... No, but usually this time of year, so many good things are happening. Yeah, Pride's about to start. That's usually the beginning of a new season of Vanderpump Rules.
Yeah, that was a crazy time. I know that Orlando is very near and dear to Lance Bass, who's part of the LGBT community.
Yeah, that was a crazy time. I know that Orlando is very near and dear to Lance Bass, who's part of the LGBT community.
But no, I remember just that was fucking... Yeah, that was a crazy time. That wasn't that long ago, guys.
But no, I remember just that was fucking... Yeah, that was a crazy time. That wasn't that long ago, guys.
When were they back in the 70s? Hold on a sec. Stonewall riots back in 1969? That's like only 50 years ago. Okay, we're still making progress here. Okay, I'm on Wikipedia.
When were they back in the 70s? Hold on a sec. Stonewall riots back in 1969? That's like only 50 years ago. Okay, we're still making progress here. Okay, I'm on Wikipedia.
And Tom Toms as well.
And Tom Toms as well.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, it wasn't Pride.
No, it wasn't Pride.
I would have toughed it out for Pride. I would have not had an existential panic attack on Pride.
I would have toughed it out for Pride. I would have not had an existential panic attack on Pride.
I know. I haven't had a panic attack in a long time. How's your anxiety? How are you? Just generally speaking. You look great. Thank you. What's it like having a big head? What are the pros and cons?
I know. I haven't had a panic attack in a long time. How's your anxiety? How are you? Just generally speaking. You look great. Thank you. What's it like having a big head? What are the pros and cons?
You guys, we're thinking about going down into the field. I don't know if you guys want to come along for the ride. We were thinking about going to our favorite spots. We're going to have a few more Smirnoffs. You know what I saw before I came here? I was sitting outside. I read this article, and it says, when you die, you play seven minutes of the best moments of your life. Have you seen this?
You guys, we're thinking about going down into the field. I don't know if you guys want to come along for the ride. We were thinking about going to our favorite spots. We're going to have a few more Smirnoffs. You know what I saw before I came here? I was sitting outside. I read this article, and it says, when you die, you play seven minutes of the best moments of your life. Have you seen this?
Seven minutes. I don't know how reputable this resource was, but I thought that was kind of romantic. And I was thinking, Zach, what would the highlight reel look like? Seven minutes of your life so far.
Seven minutes. I don't know how reputable this resource was, but I thought that was kind of romantic. And I was thinking, Zach, what would the highlight reel look like? Seven minutes of your life so far.
We're besties.
We're besties.
Although the demonstrations were not the first time American LGBTQ people fought back against government-sponsored persecution of sexual minorities, the Stonewall riots marked a new beginning for the gay rights movement in the United States and around the world. Sparked a revolution. Also, gay bars. Why do they matter? Why are they so important? Let's zoom into West Hollywood in particular.
Although the demonstrations were not the first time American LGBTQ people fought back against government-sponsored persecution of sexual minorities, the Stonewall riots marked a new beginning for the gay rights movement in the United States and around the world. Sparked a revolution. Also, gay bars. Why do they matter? Why are they so important? Let's zoom into West Hollywood in particular.
I can remember my first time going to the Abbey, like it was yesterday. I just felt like I had arrived. I felt like I was in the right place at the right time. It was like 2009, and I'm like, this is exactly what I wanted.
I can remember my first time going to the Abbey, like it was yesterday. I just felt like I had arrived. I felt like I was in the right place at the right time. It was like 2009, and I'm like, this is exactly what I wanted.
Guys, I know I'm straight, but I just was like, I feel, I've never felt more myself than I did at the Abbey in West Hollywood, pursuing my dream of being an actor, living with Tom and Jack. Anyways, I just felt like I was at the right place at the right time, and everything was coming together. Did you feel that when you first moved here? I did.
Guys, I know I'm straight, but I just was like, I feel, I've never felt more myself than I did at the Abbey in West Hollywood, pursuing my dream of being an actor, living with Tom and Jack. Anyways, I just felt like I was at the right place at the right time, and everything was coming together. Did you feel that when you first moved here? I did.
No, it was terrifying. I had a pretty good job. I wasn't like raking it in. But once I got out here, I had $3,600. And it was gone in like a month and a half between rent, first and last month's rent. And I felt like I didn't have a pot to piss in. But it was gig economy. We grinded it out. We had no shame. Never said no to a job.
No, it was terrifying. I had a pretty good job. I wasn't like raking it in. But once I got out here, I had $3,600. And it was gone in like a month and a half between rent, first and last month's rent. And I felt like I didn't have a pot to piss in. But it was gig economy. We grinded it out. We had no shame. Never said no to a job.
First of all, I love West Hollywood. That's where I first found the Pink Pony Club. In West Hollywood, it didn't start out as gay. I mean, not to single them out, I remember reading about when I first got there, certain bars like the lovely and very progressive and gay-friendly... Barney's Beanery used to have a sign behind the bar that said no F-words.
First of all, I love West Hollywood. That's where I first found the Pink Pony Club. In West Hollywood, it didn't start out as gay. I mean, not to single them out, I remember reading about when I first got there, certain bars like the lovely and very progressive and gay-friendly... Barney's Beanery used to have a sign behind the bar that said no F-words.
The true testament to one's commitment to being out here is how low will you stoop? How many times, Zach, have you had to pass champagne out shirtless at a private party? Or d'oeuvres, chicken tandoor with mango chutney with your shirt off? I've been there, done that a few times.
The true testament to one's commitment to being out here is how low will you stoop? How many times, Zach, have you had to pass champagne out shirtless at a private party? Or d'oeuvres, chicken tandoor with mango chutney with your shirt off? I've been there, done that a few times.
They told me to put my shirt back on. One time I was at a party. One time I was at a party, because we worked a lot of private parties, really cool clients. Really great jobs. A lot of the times, in case you guys are wondering, they would pay us maybe $300 flat rate for the night, and then they'd throw us out an extra $100. So it's like $400, you work like three, four hours.
They told me to put my shirt back on. One time I was at a party. One time I was at a party, because we worked a lot of private parties, really cool clients. Really great jobs. A lot of the times, in case you guys are wondering, they would pay us maybe $300 flat rate for the night, and then they'd throw us out an extra $100. So it's like $400, you work like three, four hours.
I remember one night in particular, we were bartending a gay birthday. It was me and Jax. It was so fun. Everybody was so sweet. But we had our shirts off, And no, no, excuse me. We did not have our shirts off. And I was like, I was hot. I took my shirt off and Jax had his shirt on the whole time. And I remember they kept cheering for him to take his shirt off. This is like 2009.
I remember one night in particular, we were bartending a gay birthday. It was me and Jax. It was so fun. Everybody was so sweet. But we had our shirts off, And no, no, excuse me. We did not have our shirts off. And I was like, I was hot. I took my shirt off and Jax had his shirt on the whole time. And I remember they kept cheering for him to take his shirt off. This is like 2009.
And I was like, you guys, I've had my shirt off the whole time. And somebody goes, who cares?
And I was like, you guys, I've had my shirt off the whole time. And somebody goes, who cares?
that i'm scarred whoever said that i hope you you're still scarred i'm still i see i see it in your eyes right now put my shirt right back i don't want to make it sound like we were whoring ourselves out because we weren't they were super fun and respectful chill parties but like you know but yeah it's if you had your shirt off hello it's eye candy yeah but i yeah i've never taken my shirt off but i've done every other thing you know under the like i i
that i'm scarred whoever said that i hope you you're still scarred i'm still i see i see it in your eyes right now put my shirt right back i don't want to make it sound like we were whoring ourselves out because we weren't they were super fun and respectful chill parties but like you know but yeah it's if you had your shirt off hello it's eye candy yeah but i yeah i've never taken my shirt off but i've done every other thing you know under the like i i
I'm high-fiving.
I'm high-fiving.
I can't say that and I won't say that, but obviously it's come a long way, just like the community as a whole in West Hollywood. So let's go back to the 60s and the 70s. Okay, LGBTQ plus Angelenos were being pushed out of their neighborhoods by police harassment, zoning crackdowns.
I can't say that and I won't say that, but obviously it's come a long way, just like the community as a whole in West Hollywood. So let's go back to the 60s and the 70s. Okay, LGBTQ plus Angelenos were being pushed out of their neighborhoods by police harassment, zoning crackdowns.
Do you have any questions for me or anything?
Do you have any questions for me or anything?
Quiz me.
Quiz me.
He said he was going to put my ally to the test.
He said he was going to put my ally to the test.
Okay, let's do it.
Okay, let's do it.
Grindr is a mostly gay app. And I think generally speaking, it's less about romance and more about, you know, doing the nasty. That's the best euphemism I could come up with.
Grindr is a mostly gay app. And I think generally speaking, it's less about romance and more about, you know, doing the nasty. That's the best euphemism I could come up with.
No.
No.
That's a trick question.
That's a trick question.
Okay, let me... Someone told me yesterday that I'm an otter. Should we go over the terminology for different members of the gay community?
Okay, let me... Someone told me yesterday that I'm an otter. Should we go over the terminology for different members of the gay community?
Can we do a little refresher course?
Can we do a little refresher course?
Yeah, it's like a zoo.
Yeah, it's like a zoo.
Yeah. So can you tell the audience what a bear is? I feel like everyone, all of our listeners know, but just in case.
Yeah. So can you tell the audience what a bear is? I feel like everyone, all of our listeners know, but just in case.
No, I'm just, I think I've been called an otter before.
No, I'm just, I think I've been called an otter before.
And they began migrating to this little unincorporated pocket of Los Angeles County where law enforcement was a little more chill and landlords a little more lenient. And pretty soon, gay bars became the beating heart, the pulse of this growing community. One of the first ones I think that opened was Gold Coast back in 1981. It became the first openly gay watering hole in West Hollywood.
And they began migrating to this little unincorporated pocket of Los Angeles County where law enforcement was a little more chill and landlords a little more lenient. And pretty soon, gay bars became the beating heart, the pulse of this growing community. One of the first ones I think that opened was Gold Coast back in 1981. It became the first openly gay watering hole in West Hollywood.
And then below that is a... Everyone knows a twink, which can be used as a derogatory term, but...
And then below that is a... Everyone knows a twink, which can be used as a derogatory term, but...
Benji is smooth as hell. He is. Generally speaking, I'm not talking.
Benji is smooth as hell. He is. Generally speaking, I'm not talking.
Well, that's just, that was just a little cliff notes, just cliff notes for the gang.
Well, that's just, that was just a little cliff notes, just cliff notes for the gang.
Load. One of the greatest bars in West Hollywood. Mother load.
Load. One of the greatest bars in West Hollywood. Mother load.
I think it's like daddy, but with more feminine energy.
I think it's like daddy, but with more feminine energy.
I would probably refer to Lisa Vanderpump as mother.
I would probably refer to Lisa Vanderpump as mother.
I didn't know that one.
I didn't know that one.
Wait, let's keep going.
Wait, let's keep going.
Snatched just means you're fly, you're fresh, you're funky. Okay, wait. It just means you look, it looks like you're slaying. If you're snatched, you're slaying, right?
Snatched just means you're fly, you're fresh, you're funky. Okay, wait. It just means you look, it looks like you're slaying. If you're snatched, you're slaying, right?
Thank you.
Thank you.
Your hair is some of the most controversial.
Your hair is some of the most controversial.
On Bravo.
On Bravo.
Listen, your hair had a glow up. It looks so good right now.
Listen, your hair had a glow up. It looks so good right now.
You don't look like a Lego character anymore.
You don't look like a Lego character anymore.
It was kind of iconic. It kind of had a Guy Fieri undertone. No, no, no. Not to say, not to draw a direct correlation or a direct comparison, but it was like, you know, he's indistinguishable. He's iconic. And you were kind of going in that direction and you let the internet bully you. into having a safe, sexy, quaffed.
It was kind of iconic. It kind of had a Guy Fieri undertone. No, no, no. Not to say, not to draw a direct correlation or a direct comparison, but it was like, you know, he's indistinguishable. He's iconic. And you were kind of going in that direction and you let the internet bully you. into having a safe, sexy, quaffed.
Do you guys like Zach's hair? I know it's kind of rhetorical because you can't answer me. Every single person in their car is shaking their head no. You guys, I saw something really funny on Reddit the other day. I just had to pull it up again. And by the way, if you're on a Bravo show, don't ever go down Reddit rabbit holes. It is a dark, scary place.
Do you guys like Zach's hair? I know it's kind of rhetorical because you can't answer me. Every single person in their car is shaking their head no. You guys, I saw something really funny on Reddit the other day. I just had to pull it up again. And by the way, if you're on a Bravo show, don't ever go down Reddit rabbit holes. It is a dark, scary place.
They will tear you apart and you will have new, unfound insecurities that you never even realized existed. But someone said, why does Zach look like the scary guy from LazyTown?
They will tear you apart and you will have new, unfound insecurities that you never even realized existed. But someone said, why does Zach look like the scary guy from LazyTown?
I've heard of it.
I've heard of it.
They welcome leather daddies, silver foxes, pretty much anyone looking for a cold beer and a wink, a safe place. Then, Studio One. I think this was before my time, too. Part nightclub, part pageant, part revolution. Yeah, I like that. Where disco reigned and unity pulsed beneath the mirrored ball. It sounds groovy. And, of course, the Abbey, which I know well and love.
They welcome leather daddies, silver foxes, pretty much anyone looking for a cold beer and a wink, a safe place. Then, Studio One. I think this was before my time, too. Part nightclub, part pageant, part revolution. Yeah, I like that. Where disco reigned and unity pulsed beneath the mirrored ball. It sounds groovy. And, of course, the Abbey, which I know well and love.
If you guys want to keep hanging out, I know we talked longer than we usually do, but do you want to go to two of our favorite spots in West Hollywood? Yeah. And we'll do a little audio diary?
If you guys want to keep hanging out, I know we talked longer than we usually do, but do you want to go to two of our favorite spots in West Hollywood? Yeah. And we'll do a little audio diary?
If you guys want to stick with us, just a little five-minute session at each one. What we like there, what we drink there. Yeah. I guess this is a retox episode. And have a virtual drink sesh. This was going to be a detox. I mean, even though we were slowly sipping a shmirnoff.
If you guys want to stick with us, just a little five-minute session at each one. What we like there, what we drink there. Yeah. I guess this is a retox episode. And have a virtual drink sesh. This was going to be a detox. I mean, even though we were slowly sipping a shmirnoff.
And by the way, yeah, let's not forget, love conquers all.
And by the way, yeah, let's not forget, love conquers all.
I like to have a three to one ratio. Three detoxes to one retox.
I like to have a three to one ratio. Three detoxes to one retox.
oh so well then i shouldn't be on for at least three i'm just kidding wait because we're gonna go out and have fun before we do could you leave for so also do you want to tell people about oh we're gonna oh we're gonna get to that by the way me and zach are gonna be at the pendry in san diego i was gonna wait to the end but let's do it right now sorry me and zach are co-hosting pool party at the pendry san diego it's going down
oh so well then i shouldn't be on for at least three i'm just kidding wait because we're gonna go out and have fun before we do could you leave for so also do you want to tell people about oh we're gonna oh we're gonna get to that by the way me and zach are gonna be at the pendry in san diego i was gonna wait to the end but let's do it right now sorry me and zach are co-hosting pool party at the pendry san diego it's going down
Please come. June 8th. If you guys don't come, we'll be so sad.
Please come. June 8th. If you guys don't come, we'll be so sad.
It's June 8th, so we hope to see you guys there.
It's June 8th, so we hope to see you guys there.
No, we're going to retox. That'll be a different retox moment. But if you're not drinking, that's okay. We'll have delicious mocktails and all kinds of fun stuff. Zach, if there's anybody out there, before we hit the bars and talk about our favorite spots in West Hollywood, if there's anybody out there who's still in the closet, scared of coming out, do you have any words of wisdom for...
No, we're going to retox. That'll be a different retox moment. But if you're not drinking, that's okay. We'll have delicious mocktails and all kinds of fun stuff. Zach, if there's anybody out there, before we hit the bars and talk about our favorite spots in West Hollywood, if there's anybody out there who's still in the closet, scared of coming out, do you have any words of wisdom for...
Any words of wisdom to someone out there who's just like wrestling with their sexuality?
Any words of wisdom to someone out there who's just like wrestling with their sexuality?
Beautifully stated. All right, we're going to sign off for a second. And then we're going to go down to our two favorite spots in West Hollywood. We're going to spread a little love. We're going to have some drinks. If you guys will stick with us. And yeah, we'll pick up where we're leaving off.
Beautifully stated. All right, we're going to sign off for a second. And then we're going to go down to our two favorite spots in West Hollywood. We're going to spread a little love. We're going to have some drinks. If you guys will stick with us. And yeah, we'll pick up where we're leaving off.
Okay, bye.
Okay, bye.
WeHo Pride is the City of West Hollywood's official LGBTQ plus Pride celebration, and every year we honor the city's legacy as a fearless advocate for progress and a proud beacon for LGBTQ plus rights, activism, and visibility. And we know that Pride is more than just a celebration. It's a powerful expression of who we are.
WeHo Pride is the City of West Hollywood's official LGBTQ plus Pride celebration, and every year we honor the city's legacy as a fearless advocate for progress and a proud beacon for LGBTQ plus rights, activism, and visibility. And we know that Pride is more than just a celebration. It's a powerful expression of who we are.
It's about embracing our full and fabulous selves, everything that makes each of us unique. For so many LGBTQ people, Pride is just one of the few places where we can live fully out loud, free from fear, free from judgment, and full of joy. And we know that right now across the country, reactionary forces are working overtime to roll back our rights, erase our identities, and silence our stories.
It's about embracing our full and fabulous selves, everything that makes each of us unique. For so many LGBTQ people, Pride is just one of the few places where we can live fully out loud, free from fear, free from judgment, and full of joy. And we know that right now across the country, reactionary forces are working overtime to roll back our rights, erase our identities, and silence our stories.
That hate and hostility that's coming from the current presidential administration is not just dangerous, it is our call to action. Here in West Hollywood, we won't back down. We're rising up, we're fighting back, and we're standing proud for our rights, our dignity, and our lives.
That hate and hostility that's coming from the current presidential administration is not just dangerous, it is our call to action. Here in West Hollywood, we won't back down. We're rising up, we're fighting back, and we're standing proud for our rights, our dignity, and our lives.
One of my favorite spots still to this day. It originally was a little coffee shop back in 1991, and then it sort of grew into this holy grail, this cathedral of cocktails, a place where you could mingle with the guy next door, politicians and drag queens all hanging out, mingling over martinis. I still love it to this day.
One of my favorite spots still to this day. It originally was a little coffee shop back in 1991, and then it sort of grew into this holy grail, this cathedral of cocktails, a place where you could mingle with the guy next door, politicians and drag queens all hanging out, mingling over martinis. I still love it to this day.
Hey guys, so I couldn't record on location. It was so bloody loud. You couldn't hear anything, but hit Tom Tom both days. The parade was amazing. Love won again. One of my favorite days of the year. Truly love Pride. And thank you to everyone who came out, showed love to support the community. Like, it's palpable. You can truly feel the love in the air during Pride. It's electric.
Hey guys, so I couldn't record on location. It was so bloody loud. You couldn't hear anything, but hit Tom Tom both days. The parade was amazing. Love won again. One of my favorite days of the year. Truly love Pride. And thank you to everyone who came out, showed love to support the community. Like, it's palpable. You can truly feel the love in the air during Pride. It's electric.
I think WeHo Pride is the best one. But they're all beautiful in their own ways. But thank you guys for tuning in. We're keeping it together so we can fall apart. Until next time, I'm signing off. Thank you guys. Love you guys. Bye.
I think WeHo Pride is the best one. But they're all beautiful in their own ways. But thank you guys for tuning in. We're keeping it together so we can fall apart. Until next time, I'm signing off. Thank you guys. Love you guys. Bye.
Detoxification complete.
Detoxification complete.
Motherlode, our neighbor, Tom Tom's neighbor, just a little bit west of us on Santa Monica Boulevard, was one of the first and longest running gay bars in West Hollywood. I think they opened in 1970, if I remember correctly, but if you haven't been there, think strong, very strong, affordable drinks and fabulous dive vibes everywhere. Like one of my favorite little old school OG G-bars.
Motherlode, our neighbor, Tom Tom's neighbor, just a little bit west of us on Santa Monica Boulevard, was one of the first and longest running gay bars in West Hollywood. I think they opened in 1970, if I remember correctly, but if you haven't been there, think strong, very strong, affordable drinks and fabulous dive vibes everywhere. Like one of my favorite little old school OG G-bars.
My personal favorite, the Bayou. Love the Bayou. Also the last remaining place on the planet I'll take a jello shot. And it's only because they're really fun out of a syringe. By the way, hi Marcos. But yeah, I love gay bars. I love West Hollywood. I feel home there as I do in any watering hole. Why do they matter? Well... You guys, they weren't just like clubs. They weren't just nightlife.
My personal favorite, the Bayou. Love the Bayou. Also the last remaining place on the planet I'll take a jello shot. And it's only because they're really fun out of a syringe. By the way, hi Marcos. But yeah, I love gay bars. I love West Hollywood. I feel home there as I do in any watering hole. Why do they matter? Well... You guys, they weren't just like clubs. They weren't just nightlife.
They were lifelines. They were places where you could come hook up, feel safe to just be yourself, heal. Yeah. Back in the darkest days of AIDS crisis, you know, they organized events, lifted each other up and just supported a persecuted community. West Hollywood officially became a city in 1984. I did not know that. And it was one of the first in the country with a majority openly gay council.
They were lifelines. They were places where you could come hook up, feel safe to just be yourself, heal. Yeah. Back in the darkest days of AIDS crisis, you know, they organized events, lifted each other up and just supported a persecuted community. West Hollywood officially became a city in 1984. I did not know that. And it was one of the first in the country with a majority openly gay council.
Yeah, to be specific, I think it's 639 hertz. Am I right, Mason? We're going to do a whole episode on healing frequencies, but for now, let's just marinate in some love, some love frequency, because it's Pride Month. Yes, this month we are celebrating, okay? Why are we celebrating? Well, let's get a little refresher course. In case you guys forget, what is LGBTQIA+.
Yeah, to be specific, I think it's 639 hertz. Am I right, Mason? We're going to do a whole episode on healing frequencies, but for now, let's just marinate in some love, some love frequency, because it's Pride Month. Yes, this month we are celebrating, okay? Why are we celebrating? Well, let's get a little refresher course. In case you guys forget, what is LGBTQIA+.
A direct result of the organizing powers that started these bars. So it's a very special place. Very near and dear to me and so many others. It's the Pink Pony Club. I love it. We're going to go. We're going to celebrate Pride. Before I go meet up with Zach...
A direct result of the organizing powers that started these bars. So it's a very special place. Very near and dear to me and so many others. It's the Pink Pony Club. I love it. We're going to go. We're going to celebrate Pride. Before I go meet up with Zach...
guys a little message how about more kisses more hugs more love love wins maybe not every time but in the end at least i hope love conquers all be an ally you guys choose love be a champion for those who need it remember what gandhi said Where there is love, there is life. And according to Jax, he was also the guy who can predict the future. All right. All right.
guys a little message how about more kisses more hugs more love love wins maybe not every time but in the end at least i hope love conquers all be an ally you guys choose love be a champion for those who need it remember what gandhi said Where there is love, there is life. And according to Jax, he was also the guy who can predict the future. All right. All right.
Before we go meet up with Zach, let's close out with another beautiful quote from Harvey Milk. We will not win our rights by staying quietly in our closets. Zach Wickham, where are we and what are we doing?
Before we go meet up with Zach, let's close out with another beautiful quote from Harvey Milk. We will not win our rights by staying quietly in our closets. Zach Wickham, where are we and what are we doing?
All right, ready guys?
All right, ready guys?
That was so ASMR. Zach, thank you for doing this.
That was so ASMR. Zach, thank you for doing this.
We're going to explain why we're drinking these later.
We're going to explain why we're drinking these later.
There's a reason. This is going to be a little bit of a nostalgic trip.
There's a reason. This is going to be a little bit of a nostalgic trip.
By the way, I felt like such a creeper sitting outside in my car with a six pack of Smirnoff. I felt like I was about to be on to catch a predator.
By the way, I felt like such a creeper sitting outside in my car with a six pack of Smirnoff. I felt like I was about to be on to catch a predator.
I felt like a certified creeper.
I felt like a certified creeper.
By the way, just to give some people a little context of where we are, we're in the, my favorite city in LA, West Hollywood, but we're one street over for me and Katie used to live.
By the way, just to give some people a little context of where we are, we're in the, my favorite city in LA, West Hollywood, but we're one street over for me and Katie used to live.
It's now time for your weekly detox with Tom Schwartz.
It's now time for your weekly detox with Tom Schwartz.
Well, I miss it here and I love it here. Would you ever move into that King's apartment again? You know, it's funny. I don't think I've ever told anyone this. So after we got me and Katie separated, we sold the house for a tidy profit, mind you. Not to flex on you guys. But true. So I didn't know where to go. I was scrambling, floundering, whatever. And then our old building manager hit me up.
Well, I miss it here and I love it here. Would you ever move into that King's apartment again? You know, it's funny. I don't think I've ever told anyone this. So after we got me and Katie separated, we sold the house for a tidy profit, mind you. Not to flex on you guys. But true. So I didn't know where to go. I was scrambling, floundering, whatever. And then our old building manager hit me up.
at, I won't say the exact address, Kings Road, Kings and Waring, and they're like, there's a unit available, and guess which one it is? She's like, it's your and Katie's. I don't know if that's gonna be weird because you guys just got divorced. And when we were living there, it was $2,700 a month and we split it. Guess how much it was after the pandemic?
at, I won't say the exact address, Kings Road, Kings and Waring, and they're like, there's a unit available, and guess which one it is? She's like, it's your and Katie's. I don't know if that's gonna be weird because you guys just got divorced. And when we were living there, it was $2,700 a month and we split it. Guess how much it was after the pandemic?
4,500. And the idea of moving back into that same space, not that I had any bad memories there, all good memories for the most part, but still, it just felt like a step in the wrong direction. Well, and did they renovate it? They did. Oh. I did a tour of it. Was it nice? It was nice. Yeah. They changed the kitchen and the bathroom.
4,500. And the idea of moving back into that same space, not that I had any bad memories there, all good memories for the most part, but still, it just felt like a step in the wrong direction. Well, and did they renovate it? They did. Oh. I did a tour of it. Was it nice? It was nice. Yeah. They changed the kitchen and the bathroom.
Zach Wickham. We only slide forward here. We only slide forward, baby. Zach, this is a pride episode. Zach, what is it like being a gay man in 2025?
Zach Wickham. We only slide forward here. We only slide forward, baby. Zach, this is a pride episode. Zach, what is it like being a gay man in 2025?
You're coming in hot off the second season of The Valley. In my opinion, you're a star with or without a camera. I always knew that. How long have we been friends? Nine years? Nine years. Ten years? Nine years. With or without a camera, you've always been that guy. And now the whole world is getting to see it. I'm so happy that you're on a TV show now.
You're coming in hot off the second season of The Valley. In my opinion, you're a star with or without a camera. I always knew that. How long have we been friends? Nine years? Nine years. Ten years? Nine years. With or without a camera, you've always been that guy. And now the whole world is getting to see it. I'm so happy that you're on a TV show now.
It really was seamless. And you were on Vanderpump a lot. And I feel like you were destined to be on TV in some way, shape, or form.
It really was seamless. And you were on Vanderpump a lot. And I feel like you were destined to be on TV in some way, shape, or form.
I was listening to a podcast and they were talking about the fact that used to be in an assistant for Nicole from the pussycat dolls. And she was like, Zach always wanted to be on TV.
I was listening to a podcast and they were talking about the fact that used to be in an assistant for Nicole from the pussycat dolls. And she was like, Zach always wanted to be on TV.
Okay, L is for lesbian, G is for gay, B is for bisexual, T is for transgender, I can't say that, Q is for queer, questioning, I is for intersex, A is for asexual, and plus represents all the other gender and sexual identities not explicitly included in the acronym. acknowledging the ever-evolving nature of these terms and the diversity within the community. This is a beautiful month, you guys.
Okay, L is for lesbian, G is for gay, B is for bisexual, T is for transgender, I can't say that, Q is for queer, questioning, I is for intersex, A is for asexual, and plus represents all the other gender and sexual identities not explicitly included in the acronym. acknowledging the ever-evolving nature of these terms and the diversity within the community. This is a beautiful month, you guys.
Also, you've been a staple in this group of friends for 10 years. You're one of Brittany's best friends. You guys more or less grew up together.
Also, you've been a staple in this group of friends for 10 years. You're one of Brittany's best friends. You guys more or less grew up together.
We're going to zoom into that.
We're going to zoom into that.
Then Tom Schwartz.
Then Tom Schwartz.
You know what show I just watched?
You know what show I just watched?
No, he's thriving. And did you hear about how he got Charlie XCX's music in the show?
No, he's thriving. And did you hear about how he got Charlie XCX's music in the show?
He had a few margaritas in him, I think two to be exact. And he saw her at a party and he's like, I'm going to pitch her my concept. I'm going to pitch her my show. And he went up to her and he's like, I want your music in my show. And if you've noticed, like half of the soundtrack is Charlie XCX. I have noticed. Yeah.
He had a few margaritas in him, I think two to be exact. And he saw her at a party and he's like, I'm going to pitch her my concept. I'm going to pitch her my show. And he went up to her and he's like, I want your music in my show. And if you've noticed, like half of the soundtrack is Charlie XCX. I have noticed. Yeah.
While I was watching it, I was thinking to myself, in the 15 years I've been here, how many just uplifting, harrowing, maybe even heroic stories I've heard about my gay friends coming out. You know what I mean? Or having to keep...
While I was watching it, I was thinking to myself, in the 15 years I've been here, how many just uplifting, harrowing, maybe even heroic stories I've heard about my gay friends coming out. You know what I mean? Or having to keep...
their sexuality closeted in their hometowns or even in LA or even in LA, which is like really like one of the safest places in the world to be out, but not as an actor, not as an entertainer.
their sexuality closeted in their hometowns or even in LA or even in LA, which is like really like one of the safest places in the world to be out, but not as an actor, not as an entertainer.
Guys, what is up? My name is Tom Schwartz. Some of you might know me from Vanderpump Rules. We had 11 wonderful, beautiful, strange seasons together. You've seen me at some of my worst, and now I want to show you some of my best. Welcome to my new show, Detox Retox on Podcast One. So what are we doing here? Well, we're striving for balance in an ever-extreme world.
Guys, what is up? My name is Tom Schwartz. Some of you might know me from Vanderpump Rules. We had 11 wonderful, beautiful, strange seasons together. You've seen me at some of my worst, and now I want to show you some of my best. Welcome to my new show, Detox Retox on Podcast One. So what are we doing here? Well, we're striving for balance in an ever-extreme world.
Each week, we celebrate the dance between indulgence and moderation, and I want to level up together, and I don't want to feel bad about feeling good. It's all about harmony, okay? Through conversations and travels, friends, your favorite reality stars, internet personalities, experts, amateurs, metaphysics to best Cal, highly experiential. It's going to be a nice blend of practical, fantastical.
Each week, we celebrate the dance between indulgence and moderation, and I want to level up together, and I don't want to feel bad about feeling good. It's all about harmony, okay? Through conversations and travels, friends, your favorite reality stars, internet personalities, experts, amateurs, metaphysics to best Cal, highly experiential. It's going to be a nice blend of practical, fantastical.
It's not woo-woo if it works. So we're going to open up our minds with fascinating humans from all walks of life. You're a little reminder that it's never too late to start fresh and find harmony. New episodes of Detox Retox with me, Tom Schwartz, drop every Tuesday. Come vibe with us and remember to rate, review, and follow wherever you get your podcasts.
It's not woo-woo if it works. So we're going to open up our minds with fascinating humans from all walks of life. You're a little reminder that it's never too late to start fresh and find harmony. New episodes of Detox Retox with me, Tom Schwartz, drop every Tuesday. Come vibe with us and remember to rate, review, and follow wherever you get your podcasts.
Guys, what's going on? Not much, man. It's great to see you. Good to see you, too. I love your studio. I built such a beautiful studio in my place. I'm so proud of it, and I never use it now. Why not? Because I just like being on the go. I like being on location when I do my episodes. Where do you go? I just got back from Miami. You were recording in Miami?
Guys, what's going on? Not much, man. It's great to see you. Good to see you, too. I love your studio. I built such a beautiful studio in my place. I'm so proud of it, and I never use it now. Why not? Because I just like being on the go. I like being on location when I do my episodes. Where do you go? I just got back from Miami. You were recording in Miami?
Yeah, I was recording, and I did a little impromptu. First of all, I love Miami. I love Florida. I went to Florida State. Go Knolls.
Yeah, I was recording, and I did a little impromptu. First of all, I love Miami. I love Florida. I went to Florida State. Go Knolls.
Yeah, I'm a Seminole through and through, but I love Miami, and I have a lot of friends there that I haven't seen in a long time. Also, I thought it'd be fun to do a little impromptu Winterhouse reunion. I was chilling with Katie Floody, Brian Benny.
Yeah, I'm a Seminole through and through, but I love Miami, and I have a lot of friends there that I haven't seen in a long time. Also, I thought it'd be fun to do a little impromptu Winterhouse reunion. I was chilling with Katie Floody, Brian Benny.
Oh, they were on Winterhouse. Brian Benny was the star of Family Karma, which was, I think, one of the great shows on Bravo. Oh, yeah. Family Karma, what was that about? It was about this family. It was just about the family. So the thing I loved about it was like, well, the deep connections is very heartfelt, but it's like you saw the deep connections to different generations.
Oh, they were on Winterhouse. Brian Benny was the star of Family Karma, which was, I think, one of the great shows on Bravo. Oh, yeah. Family Karma, what was that about? It was about this family. It was just about the family. So the thing I loved about it was like, well, the deep connections is very heartfelt, but it's like you saw the deep connections to different generations.
It's like a whole family and all the drama that happens.
It's like a whole family and all the drama that happens.
whoa you cut deep with that one sorry that was such a raw moment I remember I was just watching them and it's almost like I took a moment outside of my body I think I and I was just like wow I used to have this we used to have this like we were really I know we were always highly dysfunctional but we were such a loving family we spent so much time together even when the cameras stopped rolling we didn't go home we never looked at his call times like we hung out a lot probably too much yeah we were truly we were our LA families yeah
whoa you cut deep with that one sorry that was such a raw moment I remember I was just watching them and it's almost like I took a moment outside of my body I think I and I was just like wow I used to have this we used to have this like we were really I know we were always highly dysfunctional but we were such a loving family we spent so much time together even when the cameras stopped rolling we didn't go home we never looked at his call times like we hung out a lot probably too much yeah we were truly we were our LA families yeah
Or were you just being... There might have been a little hyperbole. We don't hate each other. You know me. I love everybody. But there is a little dysfunction going on, a little disconnect.
Or were you just being... There might have been a little hyperbole. We don't hate each other. You know me. I love everybody. But there is a little dysfunction going on, a little disconnect.
It's different for me. I know you love everybody. I have my rose-colored lenses on. They're implants.
It's different for me. I know you love everybody. I have my rose-colored lenses on. They're implants.
Yeah. I talked about this on my episode a little bit, but it's also steeped in Vanderpump Rules lore. Really? I think season three stuff. Oh, Miami Girl? It was the first time we ever did.
Yeah. I talked about this on my episode a little bit, but it's also steeped in Vanderpump Rules lore. Really? I think season three stuff. Oh, Miami Girl? It was the first time we ever did.
It was the first time, that's the first time in my life at that pool, in that moment in time, I think 2014, that I ever felt actually famous. Really? I never think of myself as famous. I gotta be careful here. I don't, I'm not, I have minimal ego. You have two bars with your name on it.
It was the first time, that's the first time in my life at that pool, in that moment in time, I think 2014, that I ever felt actually famous. Really? I never think of myself as famous. I gotta be careful here. I don't, I'm not, I have minimal ego. You have two bars with your name on it.
Touche, Nick. Okay. I took the narcissist test and I got like a three. I don't think you're a narcissist. Oh, okay.
Touche, Nick. Okay. I took the narcissist test and I got like a three. I don't think you're a narcissist. Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
By the way, I didn't get the reference. Thank you for context now. I thought you were just making a, obviously you're a beautiful man. I didn't think you couldn't be a model. I just didn't know you ever did model. I know you acted. Briefly. Usually, go ahead.
By the way, I didn't get the reference. Thank you for context now. I thought you were just making a, obviously you're a beautiful man. I didn't think you couldn't be a model. I just didn't know you ever did model. I know you acted. Briefly. Usually, go ahead.
Shout out to Gwen Pepper. Shout out to Gwen Pepper. Yeah, I think about the butterfly effect a lot. It's like, what if I would have never met Tom Sandoval on Apartment Finders or Roommates Seeking Roommates Craigslist? Would Vanderpump Rules have... I think it still would have happened. I don't know. What if I never met Katie?
Shout out to Gwen Pepper. Shout out to Gwen Pepper. Yeah, I think about the butterfly effect a lot. It's like, what if I would have never met Tom Sandoval on Apartment Finders or Roommates Seeking Roommates Craigslist? Would Vanderpump Rules have... I think it still would have happened. I don't know. What if I never met Katie?
I don't know how reflective Tom wants to be. Well, I will say this. We had lightning in a bottle with our show. It's like how many people get to be on 10 years of national television, a hit show, with people who are actually their friends?
I don't know how reflective Tom wants to be. Well, I will say this. We had lightning in a bottle with our show. It's like how many people get to be on 10 years of national television, a hit show, with people who are actually their friends?
The cameras just kind of picked up where we were at in our lives. You know what I mean? I say this all the time. I think it was more dramatic after the cameras started rolling. We were a disaster before the show started. And we were all hanging out every single day. That's when Kristen was living with Tom and myself. And then Kristen was best friends with Katie and also Stassi and then Jax.
The cameras just kind of picked up where we were at in our lives. You know what I mean? I say this all the time. I think it was more dramatic after the cameras started rolling. We were a disaster before the show started. And we were all hanging out every single day. That's when Kristen was living with Tom and myself. And then Kristen was best friends with Katie and also Stassi and then Jax.
We all spent so much time together. It was beautifully toxic.
We all spent so much time together. It was beautifully toxic.
As far as I know, it is called Vanderpump Rules 2.0. Not formally. Yeah, I'm going to watch it.
As far as I know, it is called Vanderpump Rules 2.0. Not formally. Yeah, I'm going to watch it.
No, this sweater is surprisingly hot.
No, this sweater is surprisingly hot.
No.
No.
I'm so frequently sweaty during interviews. Looks like I'm coming down off a bender or something. I slept eight hours. I was in bed at 8 p.m. last night.
I'm so frequently sweaty during interviews. Looks like I'm coming down off a bender or something. I slept eight hours. I was in bed at 8 p.m. last night.
No, not at all. I've watched the first half of Vanderpump Villa season two, and I think it's significantly better than the first season. I think they got some chemistry. I'm digging it. I'm invested. But yeah, like we, I mean, we had deep rooted friendships. Tom and Jax had known each other long before the show ever started in Miami where they both modeled together.
No, not at all. I've watched the first half of Vanderpump Villa season two, and I think it's significantly better than the first season. I think they got some chemistry. I'm digging it. I'm invested. But yeah, like we, I mean, we had deep rooted friendships. Tom and Jax had known each other long before the show ever started in Miami where they both modeled together.
You guys probably crossed paths. Oh my God.
You guys probably crossed paths. Oh my God.
In a parallel universe, I just signed an eight-figure contract for my podcast, and you are just coming off Vanderpump Rules with Jax and Tom.
In a parallel universe, I just signed an eight-figure contract for my podcast, and you are just coming off Vanderpump Rules with Jax and Tom.
No, we are. I know. I would love to watch... Would you guys ever consider doing a reality show? Absolutely not. Oh, okay.
No, we are. I know. I would love to watch... Would you guys ever consider doing a reality show? Absolutely not. Oh, okay.
At our dinner table. Yeah.
At our dinner table. Yeah.
that was the unspoken rule i mean it wasn't in the contract you know it wasn't it wasn't written out verbatim but yeah like once we signed that contract it was like all the filters are off nothing is sacred um and um we we fully committed to the can i ask you a question that's been asked of me that in this full disclosure i when i was asked this question i would roll my eyes and be like no absolutely not but like oftentimes
that was the unspoken rule i mean it wasn't in the contract you know it wasn't it wasn't written out verbatim but yeah like once we signed that contract it was like all the filters are off nothing is sacred um and um we we fully committed to the can i ask you a question that's been asked of me that in this full disclosure i when i was asked this question i would roll my eyes and be like no absolutely not but like oftentimes
Those are the best villains, by the way, the villains who don't think they're a villain. Everybody knows that. Yeah.
Those are the best villains, by the way, the villains who don't think they're a villain. Everybody knows that. Yeah.
seeing people in bravo world try to be the villains and like it is some of their bad behavior performative not i don't need you to call it any names no it's okay answering this question um it's a great question and yeah i mean with a lot of different shows like they're you know like a lot of shows are soft scripted i never had one moment in the history of vanderpump rules where i felt like they tried to put words in my mouth or stovepipe me isn't that the industry term stovepiping i've never heard of stovepiping
seeing people in bravo world try to be the villains and like it is some of their bad behavior performative not i don't need you to call it any names no it's okay answering this question um it's a great question and yeah i mean with a lot of different shows like they're you know like a lot of shows are soft scripted i never had one moment in the history of vanderpump rules where i felt like they tried to put words in my mouth or stovepipe me isn't that the industry term stovepiping i've never heard of stovepiping
Soap piping is where essentially like a director will come in and be like, hey, you know what? I like what you're doing here, but why don't you try this and say it like this? I never experienced that once. They would have to gently guide me because we would go on tangents and start talking about stuff that's not interesting. Off subject, off theme.
Soap piping is where essentially like a director will come in and be like, hey, you know what? I like what you're doing here, but why don't you try this and say it like this? I never experienced that once. They would have to gently guide me because we would go on tangents and start talking about stuff that's not interesting. Off subject, off theme.
But in our world, we fortunately never really had to do that. Of course, I've had a few moments that felt performative. I prefer not to say which ones. There's one in particular.
But in our world, we fortunately never really had to do that. Of course, I've had a few moments that felt performative. I prefer not to say which ones. There's one in particular.
yeah one there's only one moment I ever truly felt like I just felt like I didn't feel like I there was no hand of God or voice of God and no one forced me to do it I will say sometimes it does feel good to confess and just get it out it does just that There was a kiss one time in Mexico. That's all I'll say. That was the only truly contrived moment, I think, in my whole journey on that show.
yeah one there's only one moment I ever truly felt like I just felt like I didn't feel like I there was no hand of God or voice of God and no one forced me to do it I will say sometimes it does feel good to confess and just get it out it does just that There was a kiss one time in Mexico. That's all I'll say. That was the only truly contrived moment, I think, in my whole journey on that show.
Sheena.
Sheena.
Can I get that out? You don't want that. Get it out. It's not a dig at Raquel. Raquel, she's lovely and beautiful. It's nothing to do with her. I'm just saying, it just, oh, I felt so icky after that.
Can I get that out? You don't want that. Get it out. It's not a dig at Raquel. Raquel, she's lovely and beautiful. It's nothing to do with her. I'm just saying, it just, oh, I felt so icky after that.
i'm torn um because that was my family and like not just not just on camera but behind the scenes off camera like we were together in the trenches um for 10 11 years and um we we we've during that time we really forged a deep bond so it's kind of sad not that i'll be done with reality tv forever but um
i'm torn um because that was my family and like not just not just on camera but behind the scenes off camera like we were together in the trenches um for 10 11 years and um we we we've during that time we really forged a deep bond so it's kind of sad not that i'll be done with reality tv forever but um
I love it. Listen, I love Bravo. I will, I don't care. I'll be a brown nose. So anytime they ask me to do a show, I'm like,
I love it. Listen, I love Bravo. I will, I don't care. I'll be a brown nose. So anytime they ask me to do a show, I'm like,
I love Bravo.
I love Bravo.
I don't think I can do it.
I don't think I can do it.
Did you just call me Yella?
Did you just call me Yella?
I think that's a compliment.
I think that's a compliment.
There's layers to that compliment. First, I'll just say thank you. I think pre-Schwartz and Sandy's Tom, he was lacking grit, chutzpah, discipline. Post-Schwartz and Sandy's Tom could do it.
There's layers to that compliment. First, I'll just say thank you. I think pre-Schwartz and Sandy's Tom, he was lacking grit, chutzpah, discipline. Post-Schwartz and Sandy's Tom could do it.
I don't know if I would say yes. I'm not putting it out there in the universe. You got to be careful. I just did this whole episode on quantum healing where it's all about the interconnectedness of your mind and your body, how you think, what you feel, how it affects your physical health. What did you learn? I'm still processing it. By the way, this happened last week.
I don't know if I would say yes. I'm not putting it out there in the universe. You got to be careful. I just did this whole episode on quantum healing where it's all about the interconnectedness of your mind and your body, how you think, what you feel, how it affects your physical health. What did you learn? I'm still processing it. By the way, this happened last week.
Shout out to Jacqueline Francis, you guys. She's a quantum healer, spiritual advisor, and she came over. Have you ever done anything like this? No. By the way, I'm a healthy critic too.
Shout out to Jacqueline Francis, you guys. She's a quantum healer, spiritual advisor, and she came over. Have you ever done anything like this? No. By the way, I'm a healthy critic too.
No, and yes. And I think there should be a good amount of healthy criticism. It's not something you want to replace going to the doctor with. But I think it's nice to have adjacently with your Western medicine.
No, and yes. And I think there should be a good amount of healthy criticism. It's not something you want to replace going to the doctor with. But I think it's nice to have adjacently with your Western medicine.
Yes, yes.
Yes, yes.
Well, you're a cerebral girl. You're also very heartfelt. You're capable of very deep emotions. You're a father and you're, yeah, you have a lot of depth of character. I'd love to hear your input on it after you do a session. I cried like seven times. I don't really know what our, it was surprisingly intimate. It was very cathartic, honestly moving. And it was something special.
Well, you're a cerebral girl. You're also very heartfelt. You're capable of very deep emotions. You're a father and you're, yeah, you have a lot of depth of character. I'd love to hear your input on it after you do a session. I cried like seven times. I don't really know what our, it was surprisingly intimate. It was very cathartic, honestly moving. And it was something special.
Jacqueline, sorry. Sorry, Jacqueline.
Jacqueline, sorry. Sorry, Jacqueline.
I had such a really magical moment. And then I went, we had tickets to the game with one of my dear friends, the Dodgers game. I went to Dodgers Stadium and I had an afterglow. If you guys ever done like acid or mushrooms, you have an afterglow. I felt like especially entombed with myself and the universe. And I threw down 150 bucks on the 50-50. I play it every time. You guys know what that is?
I had such a really magical moment. And then I went, we had tickets to the game with one of my dear friends, the Dodgers game. I went to Dodgers Stadium and I had an afterglow. If you guys ever done like acid or mushrooms, you have an afterglow. I felt like especially entombed with myself and the universe. And I threw down 150 bucks on the 50-50. I play it every time. You guys know what that is?
I ended up hitting the 50-50 that day for like 35K. Oh my God, you're rich. And something about that, just like the time. Wait, you won 35K? You're rich. Well, you get 50% of it. And I split my 50% with my dear friend who I'll keep his privacy. He's very private. Okay. But yeah, so it just, I don't know. Do you have it on you? No, it should be here in a few weeks.
I ended up hitting the 50-50 that day for like 35K. Oh my God, you're rich. And something about that, just like the time. Wait, you won 35K? You're rich. Well, you get 50% of it. And I split my 50% with my dear friend who I'll keep his privacy. He's very private. Okay. But yeah, so it just, I don't know. Do you have it on you? No, it should be here in a few weeks.
I got quantum healed and then I hit the Dodgers 50-50.
I got quantum healed and then I hit the Dodgers 50-50.
I play it every time in my defense. I've probably contributed at least $6,000 to the 50-50. Wow. So maybe I'm breaking even.
I play it every time in my defense. I've probably contributed at least $6,000 to the 50-50. Wow. So maybe I'm breaking even.
We enjoyed watching you. I've been friends with those guys a long time.
We enjoyed watching you. I've been friends with those guys a long time.
Well, in a way, yeah.
Well, in a way, yeah.
Stassi was there. Stassi was there. And Katie. Which I think was an iconic episode with Kyle and the hot tub and everything, if you guys remember that far back. Yeah. Summer House is so good this year, by the way. Really good. Which is a weird thing to say because I hang out there with my friends.
Stassi was there. Stassi was there. And Katie. Which I think was an iconic episode with Kyle and the hot tub and everything, if you guys remember that far back. Yeah. Summer House is so good this year, by the way. Really good. Which is a weird thing to say because I hang out there with my friends.
I almost feel, I don't know, I feel like it's a, sometimes I feel like it's a violation when I'm watching my friends on a TV show. Does this make sense? It feels like something I shouldn't be watching. I hang out with them on a regular basis.
I almost feel, I don't know, I feel like it's a, sometimes I feel like it's a violation when I'm watching my friends on a TV show. Does this make sense? It feels like something I shouldn't be watching. I hang out with them on a regular basis.
Oh, you've been a critic? An outspoken critic?
Oh, you've been a critic? An outspoken critic?
I haven't seen the clips.
I haven't seen the clips.
If you're listening.
If you're listening.
Wait, I love those guys, though. Guys, these are not my views or opinions. These are not my views or opinions. Wait, what's that workplace proximity clause? There's something, the study they did, or it's like you're more likely to hook up with someone you see on a regular basis significantly. I think there's something to do with proximity.
Wait, I love those guys, though. Guys, these are not my views or opinions. These are not my views or opinions. Wait, what's that workplace proximity clause? There's something, the study they did, or it's like you're more likely to hook up with someone you see on a regular basis significantly. I think there's something to do with proximity.
He's pretty charming in person.
He's pretty charming in person.
This is where I should chime in to dish some dirt. But it was like I was kind of a shell of myself when I went and did Summer House. Not to make it about me.
This is where I should chime in to dish some dirt. But it was like I was kind of a shell of myself when I went and did Summer House. Not to make it about me.
That came from the heart. That was raw. That was the very, very last moment. Again, you guys, I don't want to sing the Schwartz and Sandy sad song. It's over. I made peace with that. But that was the last moment where I had the realization that it's we're closing and there's nothing I could do to stop it. And I was going to lose altogether maybe a million dollars.
That came from the heart. That was raw. That was the very, very last moment. Again, you guys, I don't want to sing the Schwartz and Sandy sad song. It's over. I made peace with that. But that was the last moment where I had the realization that it's we're closing and there's nothing I could do to stop it. And I was going to lose altogether maybe a million dollars.
Not just me, but that was a million dollar business.
Not just me, but that was a million dollar business.
Yeah, that was really sweet and unexpected.
Yeah, that was really sweet and unexpected.
Wait, is it gray? I usually dye the sides a little bit.
Wait, is it gray? I usually dye the sides a little bit.
Yeah, you dig it?
Yeah, you dig it?
I feel okay with it. I've decided that I'm not going to go gray or embrace the gray until I have at least one kid and more wisdom.
I feel okay with it. I've decided that I'm not going to go gray or embrace the gray until I have at least one kid and more wisdom.
It's my biggest insecurity in life. The fact that I'm 42 and I don't have a family. I'm okay. You're only 42.
It's my biggest insecurity in life. The fact that I'm 42 and I don't have a family. I'm okay. You're only 42.
I think... If anything. Anything... Anything and everything for my family. But I just don't, I'm not the same person I was before the pandemic.
I think... If anything. Anything... Anything and everything for my family. But I just don't, I'm not the same person I was before the pandemic.
I just, I've evolved. I might not show, and maybe it's not a dramatic evolution, but I just, I don't go out nearly as much anymore. I'm not like going on benders, coming home at like six in the morning. I'm easy. I don't shut down when faced with harsh criticism. I'm willing to have deep, meaningful conversations. I'm very loving, understanding.
I just, I've evolved. I might not show, and maybe it's not a dramatic evolution, but I just, I don't go out nearly as much anymore. I'm not like going on benders, coming home at like six in the morning. I'm easy. I don't shut down when faced with harsh criticism. I'm willing to have deep, meaningful conversations. I'm very loving, understanding.
Jack of all trades, master of none, that's the path I've chosen. I'm just going to be pretty good at everything, but not great at anything.
Jack of all trades, master of none, that's the path I've chosen. I'm just going to be pretty good at everything, but not great at anything.
Well, I know I will be a great father. I can say that with 100%. Are you dating? Last time we were here, you were dating. I'm not currently dating anyone. But no, it's okay.
Well, I know I will be a great father. I can say that with 100%. Are you dating? Last time we were here, you were dating. I'm not currently dating anyone. But no, it's okay.
I have the utmost love and respect for her. I could go on for literally 20 minutes right now about how much I love her. He's like, no, no, no, I'm friends with all my exes. No, but especially...
I have the utmost love and respect for her. I could go on for literally 20 minutes right now about how much I love her. He's like, no, no, no, I'm friends with all my exes. No, but especially...
Especially Sophia. She's amazing.
Especially Sophia. She's amazing.
She's like one of my favorite human beings of all time. Oh my gosh. Truly.
She's like one of my favorite human beings of all time. Oh my gosh. Truly.
Well, I mean...
Well, I mean...
I mean, listen, she ran the gauntlet early on. Like I was going through it. Let's just say I didn't have the best reputation online. And she's not someone who really gives a shit what people say online. She's fiercely independent and has such like a strong sense of self. But I did see her constantly getting relegated to Tom Schwartz's girlfriend. I don't know.
I mean, listen, she ran the gauntlet early on. Like I was going through it. Let's just say I didn't have the best reputation online. And she's not someone who really gives a shit what people say online. She's fiercely independent and has such like a strong sense of self. But I did see her constantly getting relegated to Tom Schwartz's girlfriend. I don't know.
It's just a lot of little things happen. But we're cool.
It's just a lot of little things happen. But we're cool.
Listen, I want to stay on topic here, but by the way, I've been living vicariously through you. Is your lake house in Wisconsin?
Listen, I want to stay on topic here, but by the way, I've been living vicariously through you. Is your lake house in Wisconsin?
And there's probably alligators in there, but it's beautiful. It's got those lily blossoms on there and everything. For the fam? I'm building like a little tiny shack. It's like 1,500 square feet. Yeah, for the fam.
And there's probably alligators in there, but it's beautiful. It's got those lily blossoms on there and everything. For the fam? I'm building like a little tiny shack. It's like 1,500 square feet. Yeah, for the fam.
Oh, we don't have to. But yeah, you started one. This is fun. I did. And I love it. It's been so fulfilling. I don't know if you guys know, I'm obsessed with podcasts. I probably listened to 40 in my rotation.
Oh, we don't have to. But yeah, you started one. This is fun. I did. And I love it. It's been so fulfilling. I don't know if you guys know, I'm obsessed with podcasts. I probably listened to 40 in my rotation.
Yeah. Well, I usually consume yours on Instagram with clicks. Yeah, so you don't listen to it. I'm sure it's triggering for you. No, it's not. I love your podcast, actually. You guys are crushing it, and you have such great guests. But I watch it on clips on Instagram. Is that okay?
Yeah. Well, I usually consume yours on Instagram with clicks. Yeah, so you don't listen to it. I'm sure it's triggering for you. No, it's not. I love your podcast, actually. You guys are crushing it, and you have such great guests. But I watch it on clips on Instagram. Is that okay?
I don't listen to the whole episodes all the way through.
I don't listen to the whole episodes all the way through.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What's your show about, Tom? So, okay. My show is called Detox Retox. And it's an exploration, a dance between indulgence and moderation. For most of my life, I've been known to overindulge. And I've just been turning things around lately. I'm looking to level up spiritually, mentally, physically. And I've been doing that. I've been putting in the work. And this is just the beginning.
What's your show about, Tom? So, okay. My show is called Detox Retox. And it's an exploration, a dance between indulgence and moderation. For most of my life, I've been known to overindulge. And I've just been turning things around lately. I'm looking to level up spiritually, mentally, physically. And I've been doing that. I've been putting in the work. And this is just the beginning.
Codename. Yeah. The reeducation of Tom Schwartz. I feel like the past 10 years, my brain has just turned to mush. I've had some best experiences in my life. I've rich with experience. I've had such a unique adventure, but I just feel like I haven't been yet tending to the garden of the mind. It's just feeling a little dusty up there. So this is the beginning of a new chapter for me. They're wilted.
Codename. Yeah. The reeducation of Tom Schwartz. I feel like the past 10 years, my brain has just turned to mush. I've had some best experiences in my life. I've rich with experience. I've had such a unique adventure, but I just feel like I haven't been yet tending to the garden of the mind. It's just feeling a little dusty up there. So this is the beginning of a new chapter for me. They're wilted.
They're not dead. They just need a little TLC.
They're not dead. They just need a little TLC.
I do. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm really excited. It's been so fulfilling so far. Yeah. I just did an episode with Katie Floody and Brian Benny who are on winter house with me in Miami. My first traveling episode was really fun. And little did I know I was on your old stomping grounds.
I do. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm really excited. It's been so fulfilling so far. Yeah. I just did an episode with Katie Floody and Brian Benny who are on winter house with me in Miami. My first traveling episode was really fun. And little did I know I was on your old stomping grounds.
It's just me. It's, it's kind of scary because I guess I'm the writer, director, producer, the booker. And if it bombs, it's on, I have no one else I can blame.
It's just me. It's, it's kind of scary because I guess I'm the writer, director, producer, the booker. And if it bombs, it's on, I have no one else I can blame.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Everyone Loves. Yeah, E-L-T-E. He's still doing it. Okay. You're no longer doing it with him. I'm not doing it with him.
Everyone Loves. Yeah, E-L-T-E. He's still doing it. Okay. You're no longer doing it with him. I'm not doing it with him.
We're cool. I just haven't seen him as much lately.
We're cool. I just haven't seen him as much lately.
Tom's madly.
Tom's madly.
Madly in love, yeah. So they're kind of attached at the hip. I don't see him that much, but I love him. No, no, no. I mean, in a good way.
Madly in love, yeah. So they're kind of attached at the hip. I don't see him that much, but I love him. No, no, no. I mean, in a good way.
Do you think they'll get married? I do. I do think they'll get married.
Do you think they'll get married? I do. I do think they'll get married.
I don't know. Whoa, that's a good question. Who would be the best man? Tom is still one of my dearest friends. Obviously, there's a lot of things that happen that put a lot of strain on our friendship. But at the end of the day, I still love him. He's still family.
I don't know. Whoa, that's a good question. Who would be the best man? Tom is still one of my dearest friends. Obviously, there's a lot of things that happen that put a lot of strain on our friendship. But at the end of the day, I still love him. He's still family.
I have healthy boundaries, and our names aren't on the side of a business that people love to chastise, maybe rightfully so anymore. But I have my peace. I have my boundaries now. And any sort of lingering resentment with Sandoval, it's like compartmentalized.
I have healthy boundaries, and our names aren't on the side of a business that people love to chastise, maybe rightfully so anymore. But I have my peace. I have my boundaries now. And any sort of lingering resentment with Sandoval, it's like compartmentalized.
Compartmentalized.
Compartmentalized.
It's tucked away. It's on a shelf. It's gone but not forgotten.
It's tucked away. It's on a shelf. It's gone but not forgotten.
I just finished watching, it's on Netflix, I think it's called Boot Camp?
I just finished watching, it's on Netflix, I think it's called Boot Camp?
I'm enamored.
I'm enamored.
It was awesome. I know, I saw. And I loved that show. I thought the cast... You saw a clip. Okay, damn it.
It was awesome. I know, I saw. And I loved that show. I thought the cast... You saw a clip. Okay, damn it.
I thought the cast had really good chemistry. I'd like to see more seasons of the same cast. But it was like a little Fear Factor meets like, I miss Fear Factor. But seeing them eat like the tarantula. Did you guys watch the whole season? There's no amount of money I would eat that for us. Not even 250K. Unless it was like, we're going to give you.
I thought the cast had really good chemistry. I'd like to see more seasons of the same cast. But it was like a little Fear Factor meets like, I miss Fear Factor. But seeing them eat like the tarantula. Did you guys watch the whole season? There's no amount of money I would eat that for us. Not even 250K. Unless it was like, we're going to give you.
I've got a real, a modern hippie. People have described me as a modern hippie, like the dude from the Big Lebowski adjacent.
I've got a real, a modern hippie. People have described me as a modern hippie, like the dude from the Big Lebowski adjacent.
Before that, I went to college. I worked in corporate. I worked for a distributor. Like, I have good work ethic. That wasn't your storyline, you know?
Before that, I went to college. I worked in corporate. I worked for a distributor. Like, I have good work ethic. That wasn't your storyline, you know?
I mean, they don't have like a pre-med program at Florida State. At least they used to not have it. So you just kind of do everything you have to do. You choose a science, exercise, physiology, biology.
I mean, they don't have like a pre-med program at Florida State. At least they used to not have it. So you just kind of do everything you have to do. You choose a science, exercise, physiology, biology.
Big words do not equate to big intelligence.
Big words do not equate to big intelligence.
Wait, I haven't understood.
Wait, I haven't understood.
I got shamed at the pool in Miami. They're like, you are the pastiest human being I've ever seen in my life. Someone told me that. We said this to you.
I got shamed at the pool in Miami. They're like, you are the pastiest human being I've ever seen in my life. Someone told me that. We said this to you.
Why am I always sweaty?
Why am I always sweaty?
I went to the Valley premiere and I saw some of my interviews on the red carpet. I'm like, I was sweating profusely. Okay. They're like, what kind of drugs? Do you run hot? Not on any drugs.
I went to the Valley premiere and I saw some of my interviews on the red carpet. I'm like, I was sweating profusely. Okay. They're like, what kind of drugs? Do you run hot? Not on any drugs.
I do.
I do.
Yeah. In my defense, I did an hour of cardio before I came here.
Yeah. In my defense, I did an hour of cardio before I came here.
I woke up at like six.
I woke up at like six.
It took me 42 years, but I am adult Tom.
It took me 42 years, but I am adult Tom.
shug and him could have a baby together she wants a baby your your glasses do fog up every so often and i can't see your eyeballs sometimes i still feel like are you that hot why are your glasses fogging up like i can't help it is it that hot in here um no i run hot do you need a moment you're acting like i've been like so did tom cheat on you've been so easy on me You know what?
shug and him could have a baby together she wants a baby your your glasses do fog up every so often and i can't see your eyeballs sometimes i still feel like are you that hot why are your glasses fogging up like i can't help it is it that hot in here um no i run hot do you need a moment you're acting like i've been like so did tom cheat on you've been so easy on me You know what?
I think it's like a Pavlonian thing. Just coming in here, I start sweating. You know what I mean?
I think it's like a Pavlonian thing. Just coming in here, I start sweating. You know what I mean?
You were in the, I wouldn't cheat that way. You were gobsmacked or just like, Paul's the wrong word. You were just, I think I was watching you watch him and you were just in disbelief. And I don't know, but as I've gotten older, I'm more empathetic and compassionate. And there's no excuse for being that late.
You were in the, I wouldn't cheat that way. You were gobsmacked or just like, Paul's the wrong word. You were just, I think I was watching you watch him and you were just in disbelief. And I don't know, but as I've gotten older, I'm more empathetic and compassionate. And there's no excuse for being that late.
But the fact that he was up all night mourning the loss of his friend and all the stuff he had compartmentalized.
But the fact that he was up all night mourning the loss of his friend and all the stuff he had compartmentalized.
Have you guys ever went and saw Giggly Squad? They're so good.
Have you guys ever went and saw Giggly Squad? They're so good.
They're funny as hell. I saw them at the Wiltern, and I'm not kissing ass. Before I leave, I want to have one hot take where I'm critical of someone.
They're funny as hell. I saw them at the Wiltern, and I'm not kissing ass. Before I leave, I want to have one hot take where I'm critical of someone.
Let me think about it.
Let me think about it.
Oh, he's lovely. I actually love that guy. This is burgeoning bromance.
Oh, he's lovely. I actually love that guy. This is burgeoning bromance.
I just said what's up to Zaina in the hallway, by the way. I want to say hi to Katie before I leave.
I just said what's up to Zaina in the hallway, by the way. I want to say hi to Katie before I leave.
Guess who taught me how to talk shit?
Guess who taught me how to talk shit?
No, she's got, yeah, she's usually pretty on point. Her intuition's unrivaled. But she's been wrong once or twice.
No, she's got, yeah, she's usually pretty on point. Her intuition's unrivaled. But she's been wrong once or twice.
Not documented.
Not documented.
I'm trying to think of something mean I can say about someone. No, I'm actually really excited for the new Vanderpump Rules. I think the cast, they're not going to try.
I'm trying to think of something mean I can say about someone. No, I'm actually really excited for the new Vanderpump Rules. I think the cast, they're not going to try.
Yeah. Okay. So he is a complex creature.
Yeah. Okay. So he is a complex creature.
Jesse Lally is a very complex creature. Um, how he always handles himself with Michelle. You know, I don't condone that, but like as a father, I have nothing good things to say about him. He loves his daughter more than anything in the world. He's truly, I think even Michelle would say that, right?
Jesse Lally is a very complex creature. Um, how he always handles himself with Michelle. You know, I don't condone that, but like as a father, I have nothing good things to say about him. He loves his daughter more than anything in the world. He's truly, I think even Michelle would say that, right?
I don't think he's even proud of that. He's very self-aware. Is he? Yeah, he is.
I don't think he's even proud of that. He's very self-aware. Is he? Yeah, he is.
I think you will. I think you will. Okay. I think Jesse Lally's... Oh, God. Is this going to be my hot take? I think Jesse Lally will grow on people. It might take some time. Okay. But I really do think he'll grow. Okay. Oh, my God. What have I done?
I think you will. I think you will. Okay. I think Jesse Lally's... Oh, God. Is this going to be my hot take? I think Jesse Lally will grow on people. It might take some time. Okay. But I really do think he'll grow. Okay. Oh, my God. What have I done?
It is a vile and despicable place. And here's the thing. When you try to leave, they put you back in.
It is a vile and despicable place. And here's the thing. When you try to leave, they put you back in.
No, it was actually pretty uplifting and loving this morning. This morning? Well, someone was going to work at like 6 in the morning. I won't say who. They were not up partying or anything, but they were on their way to work. And they were driving down Sunset. And there was apparently a group of like 30 people fighting outside of, what's it called? Not to put you on the spot, Nick.
No, it was actually pretty uplifting and loving this morning. This morning? Well, someone was going to work at like 6 in the morning. I won't say who. They were not up partying or anything, but they were on their way to work. And they were driving down Sunset. And there was apparently a group of like 30 people fighting outside of, what's it called? Not to put you on the spot, Nick.
What's that one strip, the iconic strip club? Across from, across from.
What's that one strip, the iconic strip club? Across from, across from.
Body shop. There was like apparently at four in the morning, no, five, six in the morning, there was a group of like, I didn't even know they're open all night, but apparently there was a group of like 30 people fighting outside. And we were like, oh my God, is this, does this mean LA is back?
Body shop. There was like apparently at four in the morning, no, five, six in the morning, there was a group of like, I didn't even know they're open all night, but apparently there was a group of like 30 people fighting outside. And we were like, oh my God, is this, does this mean LA is back?
just having a laugh but no one goes out and that's a that's a that's an industry joke because nobody goes out in la anymore nobody honestly and when it comes to your goals of fatherhood and like just kind of adulting i think maybe you need to leave the group chat and he just said he tries to leave and they'll put him back in well i tried to leave me back in like 2021 you can block it i was having a moment i was like this is too toxic it just was getting too what's the most toxic thing you saw in there
just having a laugh but no one goes out and that's a that's a that's an industry joke because nobody goes out in la anymore nobody honestly and when it comes to your goals of fatherhood and like just kind of adulting i think maybe you need to leave the group chat and he just said he tries to leave and they'll put him back in well i tried to leave me back in like 2021 you can block it i was having a moment i was like this is too toxic it just was getting too what's the most toxic thing you saw in there
ever ever i mean i will i will say this about the boys chat it's funny i don't doubt it's locker it's refreshing like it's funny to like everyone or maybe just to the guys in it definitely just the guys so many cancelable offenses um you should say the most toxic thing and who sent it because then they'll kick you out of the chat and we'll not let you back in true that's how you get out you're a genius it's not doing you any good
ever ever i mean i will i will say this about the boys chat it's funny i don't doubt it's locker it's refreshing like it's funny to like everyone or maybe just to the guys in it definitely just the guys so many cancelable offenses um you should say the most toxic thing and who sent it because then they'll kick you out of the chat and we'll not let you back in true that's how you get out you're a genius it's not doing you any good
No, if someone got a hold of it and read it, I'd be mortified.
No, if someone got a hold of it and read it, I'd be mortified.
No. She's not like that.
No. She's not like that.
No.
No.
Honestly, it's just a lot of fart humor, like sophomore type of, but it's kind of nice and small.
Honestly, it's just a lot of fart humor, like sophomore type of, but it's kind of nice and small.
Oh, I don't think that originated in the boys' chat.
Oh, I don't think that originated in the boys' chat.
yeah by the way we were yeah well let's not even go there because that's like if you're a billionaire and you're paying someone that that's what I said I said 1500 what are we doing here flicking a penny at someone yeah that's what I said it's not even a believable lie to say about your ex-wife no yeah it's not do you want to be a part of the boys chat Oh my God.
yeah by the way we were yeah well let's not even go there because that's like if you're a billionaire and you're paying someone that that's what I said I said 1500 what are we doing here flicking a penny at someone yeah that's what I said it's not even a believable lie to say about your ex-wife no yeah it's not do you want to be a part of the boys chat Oh my God.
I feel like you guys need to sit down.
I feel like you guys need to sit down.
I think you guys should sit down. He's too scared. Not in front of cameras.
I think you guys should sit down. He's too scared. Not in front of cameras.
Please, please divulge.
Please, please divulge.
Everybody's been blocked by Jax. He's blocked me at least six times since I've known him. Really? Yeah. And then we'll have a hard time. He's like, I'm sorry, I blocked you. He's never unblocked me.
Everybody's been blocked by Jax. He's blocked me at least six times since I've known him. Really? Yeah. And then we'll have a hard time. He's like, I'm sorry, I blocked you. He's never unblocked me.
Set it up. Set it up.
Set it up. Set it up.
It'd be a little contentious, a little alpha.
It'd be a little contentious, a little alpha.
Maybe pre-Rehab Jax. Listen, I'm not saying he's cured. He's got a long way to go, but Jax has been putting in work. Not saying he's cured. Guys, relax. But I think he's putting some work in. I think it'd be nice to see you guys sit down and have a conversation. You on his podcast and him on yours.
Maybe pre-Rehab Jax. Listen, I'm not saying he's cured. He's got a long way to go, but Jax has been putting in work. Not saying he's cured. Guys, relax. But I think he's putting some work in. I think it'd be nice to see you guys sit down and have a conversation. You on his podcast and him on yours.
Can we put that out there?
Can we put that out there?
I think it's pretty funny. I mean, he's such a rare human being.
I think it's pretty funny. I mean, he's such a rare human being.
Yeah, that's the whole thing. Just don't date guys like me. Is he dating? I don't think so. I think he's just semi-celibate right now. I don't know. Just trying to not make as few bad decisions as possible.
Yeah, that's the whole thing. Just don't date guys like me. Is he dating? I don't think so. I think he's just semi-celibate right now. I don't know. Just trying to not make as few bad decisions as possible.
he's laying low but he's listen Jax is a complicated creature but um him and Jesse yeah yeah by the end of the season you think I'm gonna be like wow that Jesse Lawley I have no idea what happened so this is a risky this is no upside for me to say that right now only downside but I'm gonna hold you to it we We know you mean well. It's a hell of a show. It's a great show.
he's laying low but he's listen Jax is a complicated creature but um him and Jesse yeah yeah by the end of the season you think I'm gonna be like wow that Jesse Lawley I have no idea what happened so this is a risky this is no upside for me to say that right now only downside but I'm gonna hold you to it we We know you mean well. It's a hell of a show. It's a great show.
I think the ratings have been good. Critically acclaimed from what I see online. Again, love it.
I think the ratings have been good. Critically acclaimed from what I see online. Again, love it.
Overnights aren't what they used to be. Yeah.
Overnights aren't what they used to be. Yeah.
It's a hell of a show.
It's a hell of a show.
I just watched my first full season, Housewives of Beverly Hills, and I loved it.
I just watched my first full season, Housewives of Beverly Hills, and I loved it.
I usually just pop into any random Housewives franchise and watch like an episode or two.
I usually just pop into any random Housewives franchise and watch like an episode or two.
No hot takes. Damn it, I'm sorry.
No hot takes. Damn it, I'm sorry.
Just spoon feed me one.
Just spoon feed me one.
You can just cut this out. Who did you enjoy the most? I really enjoyed getting to know Bose.
You can just cut this out. Who did you enjoy the most? I really enjoyed getting to know Bose.
Yeah. Wow. What an amazing human being. Not like, um, I, okay. Who did you have a hard time understanding? I got a little fed up with, I think Sutton Sutton became, yeah. Sutton is, is, is, is, is a hard watch for me. Sutton. Sorry. But I mean, I love her on the show. I still want her to be on the show, but she's a hard watch for me.
Yeah. Wow. What an amazing human being. Not like, um, I, okay. Who did you have a hard time understanding? I got a little fed up with, I think Sutton Sutton became, yeah. Sutton is, is, is, is, is a hard watch for me. Sutton. Sorry. But I mean, I love her on the show. I still want her to be on the show, but she's a hard watch for me.
Her takes, she seems to unnecessarily insert herself in storylines that aren't, or not storylines, it's life, but moments that aren't really relevant. I don't know. She just grates on me a little bit. There it is, my first hot take. Wait, now she's going to be mad at me.
Her takes, she seems to unnecessarily insert herself in storylines that aren't, or not storylines, it's life, but moments that aren't really relevant. I don't know. She just grates on me a little bit. There it is, my first hot take. Wait, now she's going to be mad at me.
She won't even know.
She won't even know.
What's your guys' current favorite show on Bravo?
What's your guys' current favorite show on Bravo?
Yeah, Summer House is on fire right now. Valley's so good.
Yeah, Summer House is on fire right now. Valley's so good.
Classic. Iconic.
Classic. Iconic.
At least today.
At least today.
Wait, did they acquiesce and say, yeah, we'll shoot with your stuff and then regret it afterwards? I haven't seen this.
Wait, did they acquiesce and say, yeah, we'll shoot with your stuff and then regret it afterwards? I haven't seen this.
How would you feel about that? I mean, that's kind of happened in a way. But we were aware and we consented. Like with James May and Kristen Doughty. Like she would ask me to come model for it and we'd be filming an episode too. But I had already agreed in advance. It wasn't kind of bamboozled.
How would you feel about that? I mean, that's kind of happened in a way. But we were aware and we consented. Like with James May and Kristen Doughty. Like she would ask me to come model for it and we'd be filming an episode too. But I had already agreed in advance. It wasn't kind of bamboozled.
Okay, I called him out on that or I talked to him. He's like, I had no idea. It's a pretty stock design, but he took it down immediately.
Okay, I called him out on that or I talked to him. He's like, I had no idea. It's a pretty stock design, but he took it down immediately.
But yeah, no.
But yeah, no.
No, but he took it down immediately and he apologized to Kristen from what I understand.
No, but he took it down immediately and he apologized to Kristen from what I understand.
Yeah. So took accountability. You guys are, I'm getting FOMO because I haven't watched.
Yeah. So took accountability. You guys are, I'm getting FOMO because I haven't watched.
I mean, I got to spend some time with Portia.
I mean, I got to spend some time with Portia.
Stars on Mars.
Stars on Mars.
I thought they were brilliant casting.
I thought they were brilliant casting.
Are you guys all friends with Tallulah? Shout out to Tallulah.
Are you guys all friends with Tallulah? Shout out to Tallulah.
She's just she's a force. She just has that it factor. She has star quality. When you're in her presence, you can sense it. She has like an aura. She does. You're just like, I get it immediately. And she's really funny. And she makes you feel like you've known her for a long time. She was so nice to me.
She's just she's a force. She just has that it factor. She has star quality. When you're in her presence, you can sense it. She has like an aura. She does. You're just like, I get it immediately. And she's really funny. And she makes you feel like you've known her for a long time. She was so nice to me.
We all know the obvious answer.
We all know the obvious answer.
No.
No.
Lisa Vanderpump.
Lisa Vanderpump.
No, wait, this is a scathing. This is not fair. I mean, wait, what am I missing? Is there things that have happened that I don't know about?
No, wait, this is a scathing. This is not fair. I mean, wait, what am I missing? Is there things that have happened that I don't know about?
I mean, Jesus, you guys did not expect it to go in that direction.
I mean, Jesus, you guys did not expect it to go in that direction.
I didn't ask him how he felt about this. Listen, I'm a partner with her. We've always had a great relationship, and she's been nothing but a champion for me since I met her. Yeah. No, that makes sense. Well, no, I mean, listen, she's held me accountable, too, when I'm a fuck-up, and yeah.
I didn't ask him how he felt about this. Listen, I'm a partner with her. We've always had a great relationship, and she's been nothing but a champion for me since I met her. Yeah. No, that makes sense. Well, no, I mean, listen, she's held me accountable, too, when I'm a fuck-up, and yeah.
Moving on.
Moving on.
TomTom's doing okay. I mean, the restaurant industry as a whole in LA, it's been rough.
TomTom's doing okay. I mean, the restaurant industry as a whole in LA, it's been rough.
green smoothies and air the wine instead of like the hard liquor and like there's been plenty of alcoholics who made a career off of drinking wine only totally and i think just yeah but just not to generalize or make a sweeping generalization of gen z but yeah they go out less the ones who do party at least the ones i know they don't really go out to like they'll maybe get a drink or two at the bars but they go to like house parties or they go to like underground raves the ones who are having hibachi come to their backyard yeah
green smoothies and air the wine instead of like the hard liquor and like there's been plenty of alcoholics who made a career off of drinking wine only totally and i think just yeah but just not to generalize or make a sweeping generalization of gen z but yeah they go out less the ones who do party at least the ones i know they don't really go out to like they'll maybe get a drink or two at the bars but they go to like house parties or they go to like underground raves the ones who are having hibachi come to their backyard yeah
but yeah man it's a tough time to be a bar restaurant owner in LA it's scary especially if your name's on a 5-10 year lease oh my god is that what yours is? no well it was but it sucks
but yeah man it's a tough time to be a bar restaurant owner in LA it's scary especially if your name's on a 5-10 year lease oh my god is that what yours is? no well it was but it sucks
Totally. Everything's done and taken care of. Now it's just an owl and you've moved on. Yeah. It's so nice being able to go on a little getaway or vacation now and not be worrying about how that's going to negatively impact my bankroll. You know what I mean? That wreaked havoc on my peace and well-being. Yeah.
Totally. Everything's done and taken care of. Now it's just an owl and you've moved on. Yeah. It's so nice being able to go on a little getaway or vacation now and not be worrying about how that's going to negatively impact my bankroll. You know what I mean? That wreaked havoc on my peace and well-being. Yeah.
No.
No.
We financed Schwartz and Sandys and we were on the lease. So yeah. But TomTom, I'm a minority stakeholder and it runs itself.
We financed Schwartz and Sandys and we were on the lease. So yeah. But TomTom, I'm a minority stakeholder and it runs itself.
Do you guys want to come, TomTom? I've never been. I'm hosting brunch Saturday if you guys want to come. It's World Dog Day.
Do you guys want to come, TomTom? I've never been. I'm hosting brunch Saturday if you guys want to come. It's World Dog Day.
And then I'm going to be hosting at TomTom if you guys want to come. Are you bringing Butters and Gordo? Nah, they don't like big gatherings. They freak out. Yeah, they get social anxiety.
And then I'm going to be hosting at TomTom if you guys want to come. Are you bringing Butters and Gordo? Nah, they don't like big gatherings. They freak out. Yeah, they get social anxiety.
Yeah. Actually, yes, we are.
Yeah. Actually, yes, we are.
Is it significant? It's not lucrative. It's just cool to be a bar owner in West Hollywood. And I love when I have a business meeting or friends in town, it's great to have a place to take them. It's got the glitz and the glamour. Is it financially rewarding? No. Have you made your money back? Technically, yes. I mean, we did. We crushed our first year.
Is it significant? It's not lucrative. It's just cool to be a bar owner in West Hollywood. And I love when I have a business meeting or friends in town, it's great to have a place to take them. It's got the glitz and the glamour. Is it financially rewarding? No. Have you made your money back? Technically, yes. I mean, we did. We crushed our first year.
And then we took our profits and we just parlayed them into the expansion, which was the garden at TomTom. Now it's Pump. Yeah. You guys have never been to TomTom?
And then we took our profits and we just parlayed them into the expansion, which was the garden at TomTom. Now it's Pump. Yeah. You guys have never been to TomTom?
Oh, the Madame Butterfly.
Oh, the Madame Butterfly.
I like to get it with no simple syrup.
I like to get it with no simple syrup.
That's our best-selling drink.
That's our best-selling drink.
I watched my first season when Ariana was hosting. That's another cast I would like to see more longevity to. I'd like to watch them on another show. Well, they're having a bit of a spinoff.
I watched my first season when Ariana was hosting. That's another cast I would like to see more longevity to. I'd like to watch them on another show. Well, they're having a bit of a spinoff.
Wait, really?
Wait, really?
I pretty much see everybody. Let's see. Well, I haven't seen James in a long time. I haven't seen Allie in a long time. But I see Sheena. I see Brock.
I pretty much see everybody. Let's see. Well, I haven't seen James in a long time. I haven't seen Allie in a long time. But I see Sheena. I see Brock.
He said everybody. I saw Ariana at Kristen Doty's in Luke's baby shower. That was really nice. We had a nice little chat. She's crushing it in life. She seems so happy.
He said everybody. I saw Ariana at Kristen Doty's in Luke's baby shower. That was really nice. We had a nice little chat. She's crushing it in life. She seems so happy.
He is good looking, but in kind of a rugged, maybe like early 1800s sort of way. He looks like classically good looking. If he was in Tombstone, he would have fit right in. He's kind of got those rugged Western good looks.
He is good looking, but in kind of a rugged, maybe like early 1800s sort of way. He looks like classically good looking. If he was in Tombstone, he would have fit right in. He's kind of got those rugged Western good looks.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Who do you guys think is the best looking person on the Valley? Luke. Luke. It's official? Unanimous?
Who do you guys think is the best looking person on the Valley? Luke. Luke. It's official? Unanimous?
If you can set aside, you know, the things you know or your feelings about Jax, you don't think he's the best? Oh my God, no. Oh God. Who's the, I'm trying to think out loud here.
If you can set aside, you know, the things you know or your feelings about Jax, you don't think he's the best? Oh my God, no. Oh God. Who's the, I'm trying to think out loud here.
Who's the best looking? This is my hot take. Who's the hottest dude in the valley? You have to give one. You've met them all in person. You have to give one. Sorry, boys. I'm going to say, listen, Jason's a lawyer. I've always had a thing for lawyers. I'm going to say Jason. I'm so impressed with the knowledge they have. I wish I had a lawyer's education. You know what I mean?
Who's the best looking? This is my hot take. Who's the hottest dude in the valley? You have to give one. You've met them all in person. You have to give one. Sorry, boys. I'm going to say, listen, Jason's a lawyer. I've always had a thing for lawyers. I'm going to say Jason. I'm so impressed with the knowledge they have. I wish I had a lawyer's education. You know what I mean?
I guess I'll pick Jason. Sorry, boys.
I guess I'll pick Jason. Sorry, boys.
Oh, it's great.
Oh, it's great.
It's kind of effortless. Like I like to think it's like there's a lot of effort.
It's kind of effortless. Like I like to think it's like there's a lot of effort.
But I would be partially gray down here if it wasn't for dye.
But I would be partially gray down here if it wasn't for dye.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't do full though.
I mean, I don't do full though.
I leave some grays.
I leave some grays.
Murray's pomade. It's $3 at CVS. I've been using it since 2004. Plug. It's the best in the business.
Murray's pomade. It's $3 at CVS. I've been using it since 2004. Plug. It's the best in the business.
Wait, you're the only person I've ever known in my life that's actually gone to... Ice cream, never frozen. You've got it at one of the stands in the stores.
Wait, you're the only person I've ever known in my life that's actually gone to... Ice cream, never frozen. You've got it at one of the stands in the stores.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. It's up there with Schwartz and Sandy's now.
Yeah. It's up there with Schwartz and Sandy's now.
Oh, with the lawsuit? Yeah. I don't know enough about it to weigh in. I know it seems like a convenient, but from what I've seen on the internet, it's not looking good for, I don't know.
Oh, with the lawsuit? Yeah. I don't know enough about it to weigh in. I know it seems like a convenient, but from what I've seen on the internet, it's not looking good for, I don't know.
That was a great fourth wall moment.
That was a great fourth wall moment.
I love Wes. It's so funny. Yeah.
I love Wes. It's so funny. Yeah.
I just, I never saw the stakes there. To me, by the way, I only spent a brief amount of time with them before when I've seen it on TV. It seems like it was just kind of a situationship, like fun-loving.
I just, I never saw the stakes there. To me, by the way, I only spent a brief amount of time with them before when I've seen it on TV. It seems like it was just kind of a situationship, like fun-loving.
Oh, see, I missed that.
Oh, see, I missed that.
He wasn't there when I was there. I stayed in his room, though. So they were like, you better get the black light out. Did it smell like sex? No, it didn't. They washed the sheets for me.
He wasn't there when I was there. I stayed in his room, though. So they were like, you better get the black light out. Did it smell like sex? No, it didn't. They washed the sheets for me.
I did one night.
I did one night.
It feels good on my back. Your lumbar? Every once in a while, I like to have a nice hard surface for my back.
It feels good on my back. Your lumbar? Every once in a while, I like to have a nice hard surface for my back.
Sometimes. I'm a floor person through and through. Like I love watching TV on the floor. Couches are okay.
Sometimes. I'm a floor person through and through. Like I love watching TV on the floor. Couches are okay.
I mean, could I? I feel like I'll open up if I can actually lay down on the floor.
I mean, could I? I feel like I'll open up if I can actually lay down on the floor.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Probably. Yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah. Let me think on that. Let me marinate on that. Probably. I mean, I don't know if I want to open up those cans of worms. Katie was really upset about that incident in Mexico with you know who that we referenced earlier.
Probably. Yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah. Let me think on that. Let me marinate on that. Probably. I mean, I don't know if I want to open up those cans of worms. Katie was really upset about that incident in Mexico with you know who that we referenced earlier.
She was very and it made me sad because me and Katie. It wasn't real. It wasn't real. I was like, oh my God, I've blown up my friendship with my ex-wife over this.
She was very and it made me sad because me and Katie. It wasn't real. It wasn't real. I was like, oh my God, I've blown up my friendship with my ex-wife over this.
It's so crazy.
It's so crazy.
It ages you. But it also adds some mystique, doesn't it? Ooh, this guy's an ex-wife?
It ages you. But it also adds some mystique, doesn't it? Ooh, this guy's an ex-wife?
From the female gaze, I don't think it's a bad thing to have been divorced. I would think that... It makes you seem like you're seasoned and you are maybe more domesticated, even though it didn't end well. But you've learned a lot. You're probably at least a little bit more emotionally intelligent than the average man.
From the female gaze, I don't think it's a bad thing to have been divorced. I would think that... It makes you seem like you're seasoned and you are maybe more domesticated, even though it didn't end well. But you've learned a lot. You're probably at least a little bit more emotionally intelligent than the average man.
So much. That's why Kyle Chan made me this. Do you miss seeing my wife? Yeah. Because I really enjoy seeing my wife. It was powerful. It's sexy. Like, this is my wife. You know, it is powerful. It means something.
So much. That's why Kyle Chan made me this. Do you miss seeing my wife? Yeah. Because I really enjoy seeing my wife. It was powerful. It's sexy. Like, this is my wife. You know, it is powerful. It means something.
Yeah. I don't think I've ever... You know what's never happened? I've never got to be in a group setting and like, this is my ex.
Yeah. I don't think I've ever... You know what's never happened? I've never got to be in a group setting and like, this is my ex.
This is stock, but it's an iconic franchise. I feel like it needs to live on maybe through different cast members or maybe go back to OGs.
This is stock, but it's an iconic franchise. I feel like it needs to live on maybe through different cast members or maybe go back to OGs.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'd like to see some of the younger generations become housewives. I'm like, I don't know. I've seen, I've heard murmurs of like maybe page becoming a housewife. Yeah. Yeah. I would watch the hell out of that.
I'd like to see some of the younger generations become housewives. I'm like, I don't know. I've seen, I've heard murmurs of like maybe page becoming a housewife. Yeah. Yeah. I would watch the hell out of that.
Yeah, I agree. Or someone who's freshly divorced or separated, who's looking to find love again. I always love that dynamic.
Yeah, I agree. Or someone who's freshly divorced or separated, who's looking to find love again. I always love that dynamic.
I don't know. I'd love to see it. I mean, it worked wonders for me. It's probably one of the greatest reprieves of my life. I realized that every time I went there, I was going through something like a significant moment or traumatic moment in my life.
I don't know. I'd love to see it. I mean, it worked wonders for me. It's probably one of the greatest reprieves of my life. I realized that every time I went there, I was going through something like a significant moment or traumatic moment in my life.
Tom Tom spinoff? There may be. The two of you. Once upon a Tom, there's maybe something like that happening.
Tom Tom spinoff? There may be. The two of you. Once upon a Tom, there's maybe something like that happening.
No, nobody wants that.
No, nobody wants that.
I'm so simple and sweet.
I'm so simple and sweet.
Did I just call myself simple and sweet?
Did I just call myself simple and sweet?
No, I'm not simple. If you got invited to Bachelor in Paradise, would you go? I mean, I'm just kind of bored. No, God, no. I have so much respect. I talked to Joey about this. Joey, who was on- Former wrestler. Yeah. I just said, I can never do what you guys do, Nick. What is that? It's such a weird, unnatural thing to be dating 30 different women at once.
No, I'm not simple. If you got invited to Bachelor in Paradise, would you go? I mean, I'm just kind of bored. No, God, no. I have so much respect. I talked to Joey about this. Joey, who was on- Former wrestler. Yeah. I just said, I can never do what you guys do, Nick. What is that? It's such a weird, unnatural thing to be dating 30 different women at once.
It's natural to throw drinks at women, but you do it. No way.
It's natural to throw drinks at women, but you do it. No way.
That was my stunt double.
That was my stunt double.
But no, no. I'm sorry, that was unnecessary. No, yeah, yeah. He's sweating really hard.
But no, no. I'm sorry, that was unnecessary. No, yeah, yeah. He's sweating really hard.
Yeah.
Yeah.
God, it's probably one of my biggest fears. It's the last type of show I would ever do.
God, it's probably one of my biggest fears. It's the last type of show I would ever do.
Celebrity crush. If she'll have me, I really think Charlie XCX is sexy.
Celebrity crush. If she'll have me, I really think Charlie XCX is sexy.
Great choice.
Great choice.
I also have a crush on Rashida Jones. I've always had a thing for her.
I also have a crush on Rashida Jones. I've always had a thing for her.
Is Charlie single? No, I've never slid in the DMs. I'm so not a DMer. It's how I met Nick.
Is Charlie single? No, I've never slid in the DMs. I'm so not a DMer. It's how I met Nick.
You've never DMed anyone ever? Not really. I mean, I was always in a relationship.
You've never DMed anyone ever? Not really. I mean, I was always in a relationship.
well don't give me that face nick okay don't give me that face no i'm just saying you haven't been no yes i was like i was never like with the thing yet well that's not good let's not open up that can of worms okay those are drunk you're right i guess when dms really took off you were you were in a serious relationship yeah and then you know then now you're you probably feel too old for the dms totally
well don't give me that face nick okay don't give me that face no i'm just saying you haven't been no yes i was like i was never like with the thing yet well that's not good let's not open up that can of worms okay those are drunk you're right i guess when dms really took off you were you were in a serious relationship yeah and then you know then now you're you probably feel too old for the dms totally
I mean, yeah, I talk to fans via DMs at all, just platonic, fun, sweet stuff. Thanks for the love. Or sometimes people will ask me for cameos.
I mean, yeah, I talk to fans via DMs at all, just platonic, fun, sweet stuff. Thanks for the love. Or sometimes people will ask me for cameos.
Never. I mean, I'm not opposed to it, but I think it's too late in the game for me.
Never. I mean, I'm not opposed to it, but I think it's too late in the game for me.
I'd probably do, like, towel drop down so half is exposed. You know?
I'd probably do, like, towel drop down so half is exposed. You know?
I wouldn't have the full...
I wouldn't have the full...
Why was Jax flashing the paparazzi? I still don't fully understand that. I mean, he was laughing about it too. He's like, I was just adjusting my junk like any guy does.
Why was Jax flashing the paparazzi? I still don't fully understand that. I mean, he was laughing about it too. He's like, I was just adjusting my junk like any guy does.
No. I think they're almost always following him, just waiting for him to...
No. I think they're almost always following him, just waiting for him to...
Come on.
Come on.
No, I did not.
No, I did not.
It was like an itch adjustment, right?
It was like an itch adjustment, right?
whip out his private parts in public. That is a photo of the thing you said is not possible.
whip out his private parts in public. That is a photo of the thing you said is not possible.
That's funny. Well, I don't know. The guy's not fondling himself in public. It was clearly an accident. I just, yeah.
That's funny. Well, I don't know. The guy's not fondling himself in public. It was clearly an accident. I just, yeah.
I love true crime, but I don't, can you give me a little, after we get off air, we can.
I love true crime, but I don't, can you give me a little, after we get off air, we can.
I've seen the headlines. Have you guys done a deep dive?
I've seen the headlines. Have you guys done a deep dive?
Is this a documentary or a podcast, or both?
Is this a documentary or a podcast, or both?
Was he an abusive POS or something? Was it an act of passion retaliation or self-defense?
Was he an abusive POS or something? Was it an act of passion retaliation or self-defense?
I've never missed a BravoCon since they started. What does one expect at BravoCon? What's it like? Oh my God. It's honestly, it's all the different shows from the Bravoverse colliding, coming together and just seeing all the different casts, how they interact and just hanging out afterwards. It's kind of magical. It's like going to Bravo camp. Bravo summer camp.
I've never missed a BravoCon since they started. What does one expect at BravoCon? What's it like? Oh my God. It's honestly, it's all the different shows from the Bravoverse colliding, coming together and just seeing all the different casts, how they interact and just hanging out afterwards. It's kind of magical. It's like going to Bravo camp. Bravo summer camp.
It really is. And then it's like, I personally will go and hang out with people. I'm not like I'm meeting fans and say, meet me here and we'll hang out. But like, I make it a point to go out and be accessible and hang out with everybody, which in the past has worked to my detriment.
It really is. And then it's like, I personally will go and hang out with people. I'm not like I'm meeting fans and say, meet me here and we'll hang out. But like, I make it a point to go out and be accessible and hang out with everybody, which in the past has worked to my detriment.
No, just like being, not having healthy boundaries. Sure. Just giving too much of myself over. I don't mean like sexually or anything inappropriate, but just giving, just being way too available for people to hang out with.
No, just like being, not having healthy boundaries. Sure. Just giving too much of myself over. I don't mean like sexually or anything inappropriate, but just giving, just being way too available for people to hang out with.
Like following them on Instagram, getting their number, which I never call them. But yeah, I used to get reprimanded for that a lot. And I'm like, you have a point. I probably shouldn't be giving out my number to multiple people a night.
Like following them on Instagram, getting their number, which I never call them. But yeah, I used to get reprimanded for that a lot. And I'm like, you have a point. I probably shouldn't be giving out my number to multiple people a night.
But it's just like, man, they're like, we just got married. We would love to grab a drink with you. In the moment, you're like, yeah, I'll take my number.
But it's just like, man, they're like, we just got married. We would love to grab a drink with you. In the moment, you're like, yeah, I'll take my number.
I haven't changed my number since I got it in 2004. You should do that. Yeah.
I haven't changed my number since I got it in 2004. You should do that. Yeah.
Really?
Really?
Tom, it's always good to see you. I love it, you guys.
Tom, it's always good to see you. I love it, you guys.
You guys, Podcast One, wherever you download, get your podcasts, iTunes, Amazon, Spotify, whatever. But it's called Detox Retox. Every Tuesday, new episodes. We're making magic over here. It's been really fun. And I appreciate all the love and positive feedback lately. It's been really solid.
You guys, Podcast One, wherever you download, get your podcasts, iTunes, Amazon, Spotify, whatever. But it's called Detox Retox. Every Tuesday, new episodes. We're making magic over here. It's been really fun. And I appreciate all the love and positive feedback lately. It's been really solid.
I mean, it's very experiential. And it's raw, but shit talking, hot takes, not so much. That's what you tune into the Vile Files for.
I mean, it's very experiential. And it's raw, but shit talking, hot takes, not so much. That's what you tune into the Vile Files for.
Guys, what's going on? Not much, man. It's great to see you. Good to see you, too. I love your studio. I built such a beautiful studio in my place. I'm so proud of it, and I never use it now. Why not? Because I just like being on the go. I like being on location when I do my episodes. Where do you go? I just got back from Miami. You were recording in Miami?
Yeah, I was recording, and I did a little impromptu. First of all, I love Miami. I love Florida. I went to Florida State. Go Knolls.
Yeah, I'm a Seminole through and through, but I love Miami, and I have a lot of friends there that I haven't seen in a long time. Also, I thought it'd be fun to do a little impromptu Winterhouse reunion. I was chilling with Katie Floody, Brian Benny.
Oh, they were on Winterhouse. Brian Benny was the star of Family Karma, which was, I think, one of the great shows on Bravo. Oh, yeah. Family Karma, what was that about? It was about this family. It was just about the family. So the thing I loved about it was like, well, the deep connections is very heartfelt, but it's like you saw the deep connections to different generations.
It's like a whole family and all the drama that happens.
whoa you cut deep with that one sorry that was such a raw moment I remember I was just watching them and it's almost like I took a moment outside of my body I think I and I was just like wow I used to have this we used to have this like we were really I know we were always highly dysfunctional but we were such a loving family we spent so much time together even when the cameras stopped rolling we didn't go home we never looked at his call times like we hung out a lot probably too much yeah we were truly we were our LA families yeah
Or were you just being... There might have been a little hyperbole. We don't hate each other. You know me. I love everybody. But there is a little dysfunction going on, a little disconnect.
It's different for me. I know you love everybody. I have my rose-colored lenses on. They're implants.
Yeah. I talked about this on my episode a little bit, but it's also steeped in Vanderpump Rules lore. Really? I think season three stuff. Oh, Miami Girl? It was the first time we ever did.
It was the first time, that's the first time in my life at that pool, in that moment in time, I think 2014, that I ever felt actually famous. Really? I never think of myself as famous. I gotta be careful here. I don't, I'm not, I have minimal ego. You have two bars with your name on it.
Touche, Nick. Okay. I took the narcissist test and I got like a three. I don't think you're a narcissist. Oh, okay.
Yeah.
By the way, I didn't get the reference. Thank you for context now. I thought you were just making a, obviously you're a beautiful man. I didn't think you couldn't be a model. I just didn't know you ever did model. I know you acted. Briefly. Usually, go ahead.
Shout out to Gwen Pepper. Shout out to Gwen Pepper. Yeah, I think about the butterfly effect a lot. It's like, what if I would have never met Tom Sandoval on Apartment Finders or Roommates Seeking Roommates Craigslist? Would Vanderpump Rules have... I think it still would have happened. I don't know. What if I never met Katie?
I don't know how reflective Tom wants to be. Well, I will say this. We had lightning in a bottle with our show. It's like how many people get to be on 10 years of national television, a hit show, with people who are actually their friends?
The cameras just kind of picked up where we were at in our lives. You know what I mean? I say this all the time. I think it was more dramatic after the cameras started rolling. We were a disaster before the show started. And we were all hanging out every single day. That's when Kristen was living with Tom and myself. And then Kristen was best friends with Katie and also Stassi and then Jax.
We all spent so much time together. It was beautifully toxic.
As far as I know, it is called Vanderpump Rules 2.0. Not formally. Yeah, I'm going to watch it.
No, this sweater is surprisingly hot.
No.
I'm so frequently sweaty during interviews. Looks like I'm coming down off a bender or something. I slept eight hours. I was in bed at 8 p.m. last night.
No, not at all. I've watched the first half of Vanderpump Villa season two, and I think it's significantly better than the first season. I think they got some chemistry. I'm digging it. I'm invested. But yeah, like we, I mean, we had deep rooted friendships. Tom and Jax had known each other long before the show ever started in Miami where they both modeled together.
You guys probably crossed paths. Oh my God.
In a parallel universe, I just signed an eight-figure contract for my podcast, and you are just coming off Vanderpump Rules with Jax and Tom.
No, we are. I know. I would love to watch... Would you guys ever consider doing a reality show? Absolutely not. Oh, okay.
At our dinner table. Yeah.
that was the unspoken rule i mean it wasn't in the contract you know it wasn't it wasn't written out verbatim but yeah like once we signed that contract it was like all the filters are off nothing is sacred um and um we we fully committed to the can i ask you a question that's been asked of me that in this full disclosure i when i was asked this question i would roll my eyes and be like no absolutely not but like oftentimes
Those are the best villains, by the way, the villains who don't think they're a villain. Everybody knows that. Yeah.
seeing people in bravo world try to be the villains and like it is some of their bad behavior performative not i don't need you to call it any names no it's okay answering this question um it's a great question and yeah i mean with a lot of different shows like they're you know like a lot of shows are soft scripted i never had one moment in the history of vanderpump rules where i felt like they tried to put words in my mouth or stovepipe me isn't that the industry term stovepiping i've never heard of stovepiping
Soap piping is where essentially like a director will come in and be like, hey, you know what? I like what you're doing here, but why don't you try this and say it like this? I never experienced that once. They would have to gently guide me because we would go on tangents and start talking about stuff that's not interesting. Off subject, off theme.
But in our world, we fortunately never really had to do that. Of course, I've had a few moments that felt performative. I prefer not to say which ones. There's one in particular.
yeah one there's only one moment I ever truly felt like I just felt like I didn't feel like I there was no hand of God or voice of God and no one forced me to do it I will say sometimes it does feel good to confess and just get it out it does just that There was a kiss one time in Mexico. That's all I'll say. That was the only truly contrived moment, I think, in my whole journey on that show.
Sheena.
Can I get that out? You don't want that. Get it out. It's not a dig at Raquel. Raquel, she's lovely and beautiful. It's nothing to do with her. I'm just saying, it just, oh, I felt so icky after that.
i'm torn um because that was my family and like not just not just on camera but behind the scenes off camera like we were together in the trenches um for 10 11 years and um we we we've during that time we really forged a deep bond so it's kind of sad not that i'll be done with reality tv forever but um
I love it. Listen, I love Bravo. I will, I don't care. I'll be a brown nose. So anytime they ask me to do a show, I'm like,
I love Bravo.
I don't think I can do it.
Did you just call me Yella?
I think that's a compliment.
There's layers to that compliment. First, I'll just say thank you. I think pre-Schwartz and Sandy's Tom, he was lacking grit, chutzpah, discipline. Post-Schwartz and Sandy's Tom could do it.
I don't know if I would say yes. I'm not putting it out there in the universe. You got to be careful. I just did this whole episode on quantum healing where it's all about the interconnectedness of your mind and your body, how you think, what you feel, how it affects your physical health. What did you learn? I'm still processing it. By the way, this happened last week.
Shout out to Jacqueline Francis, you guys. She's a quantum healer, spiritual advisor, and she came over. Have you ever done anything like this? No. By the way, I'm a healthy critic too.
No, and yes. And I think there should be a good amount of healthy criticism. It's not something you want to replace going to the doctor with. But I think it's nice to have adjacently with your Western medicine.
Yes, yes.
Well, you're a cerebral girl. You're also very heartfelt. You're capable of very deep emotions. You're a father and you're, yeah, you have a lot of depth of character. I'd love to hear your input on it after you do a session. I cried like seven times. I don't really know what our, it was surprisingly intimate. It was very cathartic, honestly moving. And it was something special.
Jacqueline, sorry. Sorry, Jacqueline.
I had such a really magical moment. And then I went, we had tickets to the game with one of my dear friends, the Dodgers game. I went to Dodgers Stadium and I had an afterglow. If you guys ever done like acid or mushrooms, you have an afterglow. I felt like especially entombed with myself and the universe. And I threw down 150 bucks on the 50-50. I play it every time. You guys know what that is?
I ended up hitting the 50-50 that day for like 35K. Oh my God, you're rich. And something about that, just like the time. Wait, you won 35K? You're rich. Well, you get 50% of it. And I split my 50% with my dear friend who I'll keep his privacy. He's very private. Okay. But yeah, so it just, I don't know. Do you have it on you? No, it should be here in a few weeks.
I got quantum healed and then I hit the Dodgers 50-50.
I play it every time in my defense. I've probably contributed at least $6,000 to the 50-50. Wow. So maybe I'm breaking even.
We enjoyed watching you. I've been friends with those guys a long time.
Well, in a way, yeah.
Stassi was there. Stassi was there. And Katie. Which I think was an iconic episode with Kyle and the hot tub and everything, if you guys remember that far back. Yeah. Summer House is so good this year, by the way. Really good. Which is a weird thing to say because I hang out there with my friends.
I almost feel, I don't know, I feel like it's a, sometimes I feel like it's a violation when I'm watching my friends on a TV show. Does this make sense? It feels like something I shouldn't be watching. I hang out with them on a regular basis.
Oh, you've been a critic? An outspoken critic?
I haven't seen the clips.
If you're listening.
Wait, I love those guys, though. Guys, these are not my views or opinions. These are not my views or opinions. Wait, what's that workplace proximity clause? There's something, the study they did, or it's like you're more likely to hook up with someone you see on a regular basis significantly. I think there's something to do with proximity.
He's pretty charming in person.
This is where I should chime in to dish some dirt. But it was like I was kind of a shell of myself when I went and did Summer House. Not to make it about me.
That came from the heart. That was raw. That was the very, very last moment. Again, you guys, I don't want to sing the Schwartz and Sandy sad song. It's over. I made peace with that. But that was the last moment where I had the realization that it's we're closing and there's nothing I could do to stop it. And I was going to lose altogether maybe a million dollars.
Not just me, but that was a million dollar business.
Yeah, that was really sweet and unexpected.
Wait, is it gray? I usually dye the sides a little bit.
Yeah, you dig it?
I feel okay with it. I've decided that I'm not going to go gray or embrace the gray until I have at least one kid and more wisdom.
It's my biggest insecurity in life. The fact that I'm 42 and I don't have a family. I'm okay. You're only 42.
I think... If anything. Anything... Anything and everything for my family. But I just don't, I'm not the same person I was before the pandemic.
I just, I've evolved. I might not show, and maybe it's not a dramatic evolution, but I just, I don't go out nearly as much anymore. I'm not like going on benders, coming home at like six in the morning. I'm easy. I don't shut down when faced with harsh criticism. I'm willing to have deep, meaningful conversations. I'm very loving, understanding.
Jack of all trades, master of none, that's the path I've chosen. I'm just going to be pretty good at everything, but not great at anything.
Well, I know I will be a great father. I can say that with 100%. Are you dating? Last time we were here, you were dating. I'm not currently dating anyone. But no, it's okay.
I have the utmost love and respect for her. I could go on for literally 20 minutes right now about how much I love her. He's like, no, no, no, I'm friends with all my exes. No, but especially...
Especially Sophia. She's amazing.
She's like one of my favorite human beings of all time. Oh my gosh. Truly.
Well, I mean...
I mean, listen, she ran the gauntlet early on. Like I was going through it. Let's just say I didn't have the best reputation online. And she's not someone who really gives a shit what people say online. She's fiercely independent and has such like a strong sense of self. But I did see her constantly getting relegated to Tom Schwartz's girlfriend. I don't know.
It's just a lot of little things happen. But we're cool.
Listen, I want to stay on topic here, but by the way, I've been living vicariously through you. Is your lake house in Wisconsin?
And there's probably alligators in there, but it's beautiful. It's got those lily blossoms on there and everything. For the fam? I'm building like a little tiny shack. It's like 1,500 square feet. Yeah, for the fam.
Oh, we don't have to. But yeah, you started one. This is fun. I did. And I love it. It's been so fulfilling. I don't know if you guys know, I'm obsessed with podcasts. I probably listened to 40 in my rotation.
Yeah. Well, I usually consume yours on Instagram with clicks. Yeah, so you don't listen to it. I'm sure it's triggering for you. No, it's not. I love your podcast, actually. You guys are crushing it, and you have such great guests. But I watch it on clips on Instagram. Is that okay?
I don't listen to the whole episodes all the way through.
Yeah.
What's your show about, Tom? So, okay. My show is called Detox Retox. And it's an exploration, a dance between indulgence and moderation. For most of my life, I've been known to overindulge. And I've just been turning things around lately. I'm looking to level up spiritually, mentally, physically. And I've been doing that. I've been putting in the work. And this is just the beginning.
Codename. Yeah. The reeducation of Tom Schwartz. I feel like the past 10 years, my brain has just turned to mush. I've had some best experiences in my life. I've rich with experience. I've had such a unique adventure, but I just feel like I haven't been yet tending to the garden of the mind. It's just feeling a little dusty up there. So this is the beginning of a new chapter for me. They're wilted.
They're not dead. They just need a little TLC.
I do. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm really excited. It's been so fulfilling so far. Yeah. I just did an episode with Katie Floody and Brian Benny who are on winter house with me in Miami. My first traveling episode was really fun. And little did I know I was on your old stomping grounds.
It's just me. It's, it's kind of scary because I guess I'm the writer, director, producer, the booker. And if it bombs, it's on, I have no one else I can blame.
Yeah.
Everyone Loves. Yeah, E-L-T-E. He's still doing it. Okay. You're no longer doing it with him. I'm not doing it with him.
We're cool. I just haven't seen him as much lately.
Tom's madly.
Madly in love, yeah. So they're kind of attached at the hip. I don't see him that much, but I love him. No, no, no. I mean, in a good way.
Do you think they'll get married? I do. I do think they'll get married.
I don't know. Whoa, that's a good question. Who would be the best man? Tom is still one of my dearest friends. Obviously, there's a lot of things that happen that put a lot of strain on our friendship. But at the end of the day, I still love him. He's still family.
I have healthy boundaries, and our names aren't on the side of a business that people love to chastise, maybe rightfully so anymore. But I have my peace. I have my boundaries now. And any sort of lingering resentment with Sandoval, it's like compartmentalized.
Compartmentalized.
It's tucked away. It's on a shelf. It's gone but not forgotten.
I just finished watching, it's on Netflix, I think it's called Boot Camp?
I'm enamored.
It was awesome. I know, I saw. And I loved that show. I thought the cast... You saw a clip. Okay, damn it.
I thought the cast had really good chemistry. I'd like to see more seasons of the same cast. But it was like a little Fear Factor meets like, I miss Fear Factor. But seeing them eat like the tarantula. Did you guys watch the whole season? There's no amount of money I would eat that for us. Not even 250K. Unless it was like, we're going to give you.
I've got a real, a modern hippie. People have described me as a modern hippie, like the dude from the Big Lebowski adjacent.
Before that, I went to college. I worked in corporate. I worked for a distributor. Like, I have good work ethic. That wasn't your storyline, you know?
I mean, they don't have like a pre-med program at Florida State. At least they used to not have it. So you just kind of do everything you have to do. You choose a science, exercise, physiology, biology.
Big words do not equate to big intelligence.
Wait, I haven't understood.
I got shamed at the pool in Miami. They're like, you are the pastiest human being I've ever seen in my life. Someone told me that. We said this to you.
Why am I always sweaty?
I went to the Valley premiere and I saw some of my interviews on the red carpet. I'm like, I was sweating profusely. Okay. They're like, what kind of drugs? Do you run hot? Not on any drugs.
I do.
Yeah. In my defense, I did an hour of cardio before I came here.
I woke up at like six.
It took me 42 years, but I am adult Tom.
shug and him could have a baby together she wants a baby your your glasses do fog up every so often and i can't see your eyeballs sometimes i still feel like are you that hot why are your glasses fogging up like i can't help it is it that hot in here um no i run hot do you need a moment you're acting like i've been like so did tom cheat on you've been so easy on me You know what?
I think it's like a Pavlonian thing. Just coming in here, I start sweating. You know what I mean?
You were in the, I wouldn't cheat that way. You were gobsmacked or just like, Paul's the wrong word. You were just, I think I was watching you watch him and you were just in disbelief. And I don't know, but as I've gotten older, I'm more empathetic and compassionate. And there's no excuse for being that late.
But the fact that he was up all night mourning the loss of his friend and all the stuff he had compartmentalized.
Have you guys ever went and saw Giggly Squad? They're so good.
They're funny as hell. I saw them at the Wiltern, and I'm not kissing ass. Before I leave, I want to have one hot take where I'm critical of someone.
Let me think about it.
Oh, he's lovely. I actually love that guy. This is burgeoning bromance.
I just said what's up to Zaina in the hallway, by the way. I want to say hi to Katie before I leave.
Guess who taught me how to talk shit?
No, she's got, yeah, she's usually pretty on point. Her intuition's unrivaled. But she's been wrong once or twice.
Not documented.
I'm trying to think of something mean I can say about someone. No, I'm actually really excited for the new Vanderpump Rules. I think the cast, they're not going to try.
Yeah. Okay. So he is a complex creature.
Jesse Lally is a very complex creature. Um, how he always handles himself with Michelle. You know, I don't condone that, but like as a father, I have nothing good things to say about him. He loves his daughter more than anything in the world. He's truly, I think even Michelle would say that, right?
I don't think he's even proud of that. He's very self-aware. Is he? Yeah, he is.
I think you will. I think you will. Okay. I think Jesse Lally's... Oh, God. Is this going to be my hot take? I think Jesse Lally will grow on people. It might take some time. Okay. But I really do think he'll grow. Okay. Oh, my God. What have I done?
It is a vile and despicable place. And here's the thing. When you try to leave, they put you back in.
No, it was actually pretty uplifting and loving this morning. This morning? Well, someone was going to work at like 6 in the morning. I won't say who. They were not up partying or anything, but they were on their way to work. And they were driving down Sunset. And there was apparently a group of like 30 people fighting outside of, what's it called? Not to put you on the spot, Nick.
What's that one strip, the iconic strip club? Across from, across from.
Body shop. There was like apparently at four in the morning, no, five, six in the morning, there was a group of like, I didn't even know they're open all night, but apparently there was a group of like 30 people fighting outside. And we were like, oh my God, is this, does this mean LA is back?
just having a laugh but no one goes out and that's a that's a that's an industry joke because nobody goes out in la anymore nobody honestly and when it comes to your goals of fatherhood and like just kind of adulting i think maybe you need to leave the group chat and he just said he tries to leave and they'll put him back in well i tried to leave me back in like 2021 you can block it i was having a moment i was like this is too toxic it just was getting too what's the most toxic thing you saw in there
ever ever i mean i will i will say this about the boys chat it's funny i don't doubt it's locker it's refreshing like it's funny to like everyone or maybe just to the guys in it definitely just the guys so many cancelable offenses um you should say the most toxic thing and who sent it because then they'll kick you out of the chat and we'll not let you back in true that's how you get out you're a genius it's not doing you any good
No, if someone got a hold of it and read it, I'd be mortified.
No. She's not like that.
No.
Honestly, it's just a lot of fart humor, like sophomore type of, but it's kind of nice and small.
Oh, I don't think that originated in the boys' chat.
yeah by the way we were yeah well let's not even go there because that's like if you're a billionaire and you're paying someone that that's what I said I said 1500 what are we doing here flicking a penny at someone yeah that's what I said it's not even a believable lie to say about your ex-wife no yeah it's not do you want to be a part of the boys chat Oh my God.
I feel like you guys need to sit down.
I think you guys should sit down. He's too scared. Not in front of cameras.
Please, please divulge.
Everybody's been blocked by Jax. He's blocked me at least six times since I've known him. Really? Yeah. And then we'll have a hard time. He's like, I'm sorry, I blocked you. He's never unblocked me.
Set it up. Set it up.
It'd be a little contentious, a little alpha.
Maybe pre-Rehab Jax. Listen, I'm not saying he's cured. He's got a long way to go, but Jax has been putting in work. Not saying he's cured. Guys, relax. But I think he's putting some work in. I think it'd be nice to see you guys sit down and have a conversation. You on his podcast and him on yours.
Can we put that out there?
I think it's pretty funny. I mean, he's such a rare human being.
Yeah, that's the whole thing. Just don't date guys like me. Is he dating? I don't think so. I think he's just semi-celibate right now. I don't know. Just trying to not make as few bad decisions as possible.
he's laying low but he's listen Jax is a complicated creature but um him and Jesse yeah yeah by the end of the season you think I'm gonna be like wow that Jesse Lawley I have no idea what happened so this is a risky this is no upside for me to say that right now only downside but I'm gonna hold you to it we We know you mean well. It's a hell of a show. It's a great show.
I think the ratings have been good. Critically acclaimed from what I see online. Again, love it.
Overnights aren't what they used to be. Yeah.
It's a hell of a show.
I just watched my first full season, Housewives of Beverly Hills, and I loved it.
I usually just pop into any random Housewives franchise and watch like an episode or two.
No hot takes. Damn it, I'm sorry.
Just spoon feed me one.
You can just cut this out. Who did you enjoy the most? I really enjoyed getting to know Bose.
Yeah. Wow. What an amazing human being. Not like, um, I, okay. Who did you have a hard time understanding? I got a little fed up with, I think Sutton Sutton became, yeah. Sutton is, is, is, is, is a hard watch for me. Sutton. Sorry. But I mean, I love her on the show. I still want her to be on the show, but she's a hard watch for me.
Her takes, she seems to unnecessarily insert herself in storylines that aren't, or not storylines, it's life, but moments that aren't really relevant. I don't know. She just grates on me a little bit. There it is, my first hot take. Wait, now she's going to be mad at me.
She won't even know.
What's your guys' current favorite show on Bravo?
Yeah, Summer House is on fire right now. Valley's so good.
Classic. Iconic.
At least today.
Wait, did they acquiesce and say, yeah, we'll shoot with your stuff and then regret it afterwards? I haven't seen this.
How would you feel about that? I mean, that's kind of happened in a way. But we were aware and we consented. Like with James May and Kristen Doughty. Like she would ask me to come model for it and we'd be filming an episode too. But I had already agreed in advance. It wasn't kind of bamboozled.
Okay, I called him out on that or I talked to him. He's like, I had no idea. It's a pretty stock design, but he took it down immediately.
But yeah, no.
No, but he took it down immediately and he apologized to Kristen from what I understand.
Yeah. So took accountability. You guys are, I'm getting FOMO because I haven't watched.
I mean, I got to spend some time with Portia.
Stars on Mars.
I thought they were brilliant casting.
Are you guys all friends with Tallulah? Shout out to Tallulah.
She's just she's a force. She just has that it factor. She has star quality. When you're in her presence, you can sense it. She has like an aura. She does. You're just like, I get it immediately. And she's really funny. And she makes you feel like you've known her for a long time. She was so nice to me.
We all know the obvious answer.
No.
Lisa Vanderpump.
No, wait, this is a scathing. This is not fair. I mean, wait, what am I missing? Is there things that have happened that I don't know about?
I mean, Jesus, you guys did not expect it to go in that direction.
I didn't ask him how he felt about this. Listen, I'm a partner with her. We've always had a great relationship, and she's been nothing but a champion for me since I met her. Yeah. No, that makes sense. Well, no, I mean, listen, she's held me accountable, too, when I'm a fuck-up, and yeah.
Moving on.
TomTom's doing okay. I mean, the restaurant industry as a whole in LA, it's been rough.
green smoothies and air the wine instead of like the hard liquor and like there's been plenty of alcoholics who made a career off of drinking wine only totally and i think just yeah but just not to generalize or make a sweeping generalization of gen z but yeah they go out less the ones who do party at least the ones i know they don't really go out to like they'll maybe get a drink or two at the bars but they go to like house parties or they go to like underground raves the ones who are having hibachi come to their backyard yeah
but yeah man it's a tough time to be a bar restaurant owner in LA it's scary especially if your name's on a 5-10 year lease oh my god is that what yours is? no well it was but it sucks
Totally. Everything's done and taken care of. Now it's just an owl and you've moved on. Yeah. It's so nice being able to go on a little getaway or vacation now and not be worrying about how that's going to negatively impact my bankroll. You know what I mean? That wreaked havoc on my peace and well-being. Yeah.
No.
We financed Schwartz and Sandys and we were on the lease. So yeah. But TomTom, I'm a minority stakeholder and it runs itself.
Do you guys want to come, TomTom? I've never been. I'm hosting brunch Saturday if you guys want to come. It's World Dog Day.
And then I'm going to be hosting at TomTom if you guys want to come. Are you bringing Butters and Gordo? Nah, they don't like big gatherings. They freak out. Yeah, they get social anxiety.
Yeah. Actually, yes, we are.
Is it significant? It's not lucrative. It's just cool to be a bar owner in West Hollywood. And I love when I have a business meeting or friends in town, it's great to have a place to take them. It's got the glitz and the glamour. Is it financially rewarding? No. Have you made your money back? Technically, yes. I mean, we did. We crushed our first year.
And then we took our profits and we just parlayed them into the expansion, which was the garden at TomTom. Now it's Pump. Yeah. You guys have never been to TomTom?
Oh, the Madame Butterfly.
I like to get it with no simple syrup.
That's our best-selling drink.
I watched my first season when Ariana was hosting. That's another cast I would like to see more longevity to. I'd like to watch them on another show. Well, they're having a bit of a spinoff.
Wait, really?
I pretty much see everybody. Let's see. Well, I haven't seen James in a long time. I haven't seen Allie in a long time. But I see Sheena. I see Brock.
He said everybody. I saw Ariana at Kristen Doty's in Luke's baby shower. That was really nice. We had a nice little chat. She's crushing it in life. She seems so happy.
He is good looking, but in kind of a rugged, maybe like early 1800s sort of way. He looks like classically good looking. If he was in Tombstone, he would have fit right in. He's kind of got those rugged Western good looks.
Yeah.
Who do you guys think is the best looking person on the Valley? Luke. Luke. It's official? Unanimous?
If you can set aside, you know, the things you know or your feelings about Jax, you don't think he's the best? Oh my God, no. Oh God. Who's the, I'm trying to think out loud here.
Who's the best looking? This is my hot take. Who's the hottest dude in the valley? You have to give one. You've met them all in person. You have to give one. Sorry, boys. I'm going to say, listen, Jason's a lawyer. I've always had a thing for lawyers. I'm going to say Jason. I'm so impressed with the knowledge they have. I wish I had a lawyer's education. You know what I mean?
I guess I'll pick Jason. Sorry, boys.
Oh, it's great.
It's kind of effortless. Like I like to think it's like there's a lot of effort.
But I would be partially gray down here if it wasn't for dye.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't do full though.
I leave some grays.
Murray's pomade. It's $3 at CVS. I've been using it since 2004. Plug. It's the best in the business.
Wait, you're the only person I've ever known in my life that's actually gone to... Ice cream, never frozen. You've got it at one of the stands in the stores.
Yeah.
Yeah. It's up there with Schwartz and Sandy's now.
Oh, with the lawsuit? Yeah. I don't know enough about it to weigh in. I know it seems like a convenient, but from what I've seen on the internet, it's not looking good for, I don't know.
That was a great fourth wall moment.
I love Wes. It's so funny. Yeah.
I just, I never saw the stakes there. To me, by the way, I only spent a brief amount of time with them before when I've seen it on TV. It seems like it was just kind of a situationship, like fun-loving.
Oh, see, I missed that.
He wasn't there when I was there. I stayed in his room, though. So they were like, you better get the black light out. Did it smell like sex? No, it didn't. They washed the sheets for me.
I did one night.
It feels good on my back. Your lumbar? Every once in a while, I like to have a nice hard surface for my back.
Sometimes. I'm a floor person through and through. Like I love watching TV on the floor. Couches are okay.
I mean, could I? I feel like I'll open up if I can actually lay down on the floor.
Yeah.
Probably. Yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah. Let me think on that. Let me marinate on that. Probably. I mean, I don't know if I want to open up those cans of worms. Katie was really upset about that incident in Mexico with you know who that we referenced earlier.
She was very and it made me sad because me and Katie. It wasn't real. It wasn't real. I was like, oh my God, I've blown up my friendship with my ex-wife over this.
It's so crazy.
It ages you. But it also adds some mystique, doesn't it? Ooh, this guy's an ex-wife?
From the female gaze, I don't think it's a bad thing to have been divorced. I would think that... It makes you seem like you're seasoned and you are maybe more domesticated, even though it didn't end well. But you've learned a lot. You're probably at least a little bit more emotionally intelligent than the average man.
So much. That's why Kyle Chan made me this. Do you miss seeing my wife? Yeah. Because I really enjoy seeing my wife. It was powerful. It's sexy. Like, this is my wife. You know, it is powerful. It means something.
Yeah. I don't think I've ever... You know what's never happened? I've never got to be in a group setting and like, this is my ex.
This is stock, but it's an iconic franchise. I feel like it needs to live on maybe through different cast members or maybe go back to OGs.
Yeah.
I'd like to see some of the younger generations become housewives. I'm like, I don't know. I've seen, I've heard murmurs of like maybe page becoming a housewife. Yeah. Yeah. I would watch the hell out of that.
Yeah, I agree. Or someone who's freshly divorced or separated, who's looking to find love again. I always love that dynamic.
I don't know. I'd love to see it. I mean, it worked wonders for me. It's probably one of the greatest reprieves of my life. I realized that every time I went there, I was going through something like a significant moment or traumatic moment in my life.
Tom Tom spinoff? There may be. The two of you. Once upon a Tom, there's maybe something like that happening.
No, nobody wants that.
I'm so simple and sweet.
Did I just call myself simple and sweet?
No, I'm not simple. If you got invited to Bachelor in Paradise, would you go? I mean, I'm just kind of bored. No, God, no. I have so much respect. I talked to Joey about this. Joey, who was on- Former wrestler. Yeah. I just said, I can never do what you guys do, Nick. What is that? It's such a weird, unnatural thing to be dating 30 different women at once.
It's natural to throw drinks at women, but you do it. No way.
That was my stunt double.
But no, no. I'm sorry, that was unnecessary. No, yeah, yeah. He's sweating really hard.
Yeah.
God, it's probably one of my biggest fears. It's the last type of show I would ever do.
Celebrity crush. If she'll have me, I really think Charlie XCX is sexy.
Great choice.
I also have a crush on Rashida Jones. I've always had a thing for her.
Is Charlie single? No, I've never slid in the DMs. I'm so not a DMer. It's how I met Nick.
You've never DMed anyone ever? Not really. I mean, I was always in a relationship.
well don't give me that face nick okay don't give me that face no i'm just saying you haven't been no yes i was like i was never like with the thing yet well that's not good let's not open up that can of worms okay those are drunk you're right i guess when dms really took off you were you were in a serious relationship yeah and then you know then now you're you probably feel too old for the dms totally
I mean, yeah, I talk to fans via DMs at all, just platonic, fun, sweet stuff. Thanks for the love. Or sometimes people will ask me for cameos.
Never. I mean, I'm not opposed to it, but I think it's too late in the game for me.
I'd probably do, like, towel drop down so half is exposed. You know?
I wouldn't have the full...
Why was Jax flashing the paparazzi? I still don't fully understand that. I mean, he was laughing about it too. He's like, I was just adjusting my junk like any guy does.
No. I think they're almost always following him, just waiting for him to...
Come on.
No, I did not.
It was like an itch adjustment, right?
whip out his private parts in public. That is a photo of the thing you said is not possible.
That's funny. Well, I don't know. The guy's not fondling himself in public. It was clearly an accident. I just, yeah.
I love true crime, but I don't, can you give me a little, after we get off air, we can.
I've seen the headlines. Have you guys done a deep dive?
Is this a documentary or a podcast, or both?
Was he an abusive POS or something? Was it an act of passion retaliation or self-defense?
I've never missed a BravoCon since they started. What does one expect at BravoCon? What's it like? Oh my God. It's honestly, it's all the different shows from the Bravoverse colliding, coming together and just seeing all the different casts, how they interact and just hanging out afterwards. It's kind of magical. It's like going to Bravo camp. Bravo summer camp.
It really is. And then it's like, I personally will go and hang out with people. I'm not like I'm meeting fans and say, meet me here and we'll hang out. But like, I make it a point to go out and be accessible and hang out with everybody, which in the past has worked to my detriment.
No, just like being, not having healthy boundaries. Sure. Just giving too much of myself over. I don't mean like sexually or anything inappropriate, but just giving, just being way too available for people to hang out with.
Like following them on Instagram, getting their number, which I never call them. But yeah, I used to get reprimanded for that a lot. And I'm like, you have a point. I probably shouldn't be giving out my number to multiple people a night.
But it's just like, man, they're like, we just got married. We would love to grab a drink with you. In the moment, you're like, yeah, I'll take my number.
I haven't changed my number since I got it in 2004. You should do that. Yeah.
Really?
Tom, it's always good to see you. I love it, you guys.
You guys, Podcast One, wherever you download, get your podcasts, iTunes, Amazon, Spotify, whatever. But it's called Detox Retox. Every Tuesday, new episodes. We're making magic over here. It's been really fun. And I appreciate all the love and positive feedback lately. It's been really solid.
I mean, it's very experiential. And it's raw, but shit talking, hot takes, not so much. That's what you tune into the Vile Files for.