Tom Sandoval
Appearances
The Viall Files
E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Oh, there's definitely a human being. And, you know, I know, look, me and Jax are very different people. But, you know, there is a human being in there. He's just a different kind of dude. But I do understand why you would think that. I understand why you would think that.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
We got into therapy very early on. As a couple? As a couple. Yes. Wow.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
You know, and I was like, that's a really good idea now before like they get they go. You develop bad habits for a long time and then you have to unlearn those bad habits.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I can just tell you that the way I approach relationships is completely different than what it's been in my entire previous of my life. And One thing about everything that I went through and put myself through and the situation I put myself in is that I have to put myself and get myself to a position where I feel like I deserve somebody like her.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
And, you know, there's all these people that are like, oh, I'm going to fix him. I'm going to fix him. It's not about her fixing me. I mean, obviously, I'm all ears and I listen to her when things bother her because sometimes they're just old, like stupid, nonchalant things that you don't really think about. that affect the relationship. But it really comes down to the person.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
It comes down to me wanting to, you know, earn her love and wanting to be the best I can be and also feeling like in a sense of really guilty in the way that I've been in the past and wanting to be a better person and being really motivated to do so. And a lot of the things that I've, you know, changed in my life is like, I don't go out. I don't go out like drinking anymore.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Like the way that I used to, I'm not out all the time, like to all hours of the night. I don't do that shit. Also, like, you know, it's been frustrating to me that like the shit that she has to, I feel very guilty about it. The shit that she constantly has to deal with because of me and because of my fuck up and my mistakes. and bad choices. And I don't like to say mistakes, by the way.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I like to say bad choices because mistakes is like accidentally getting into a car accident. Bad choices is ownership. And I have to take ownership of what I did. It's like a new Tom. I'm just saying that like...
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I do feel bad about the shit that she has to deal with it's it's not fair to her but I also just want to say like if people could just please be respectful of my girlfriend and our relationship and our committed relationship I'm in a committed loving awesome relationship like this is my person and you know people girls can be a little like whatever disrespectful and I just want people to like please respect my relationship and where I'm at in my life like
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I'm serious about where I'm going, what I want to do, our future. We have goals. We have things we want to do together. And I'm all about it. And I'm 100 percent in.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
yeah like i had somebody dm me literally like it's not recently saying like hey can you come to my wedding i have lots of hot friends like i'm just like are you fucking kidding me with that shit but you're you're a very hot guy you're beautiful beautiful okay okay girl like come get the fuck out of here look who's talking but like but that's not like We'll tell you some stories.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I think you like door number two.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
What happened was, is I had a Google calendar with my manager and we had set up a date for me to come in here. And then you texted me like, you know, I don't know, a few days, five days earlier to change the date, but you had texted me directly. And so it didn't go on my Google calendar, but I was like, no, it's fine.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Sorry, Victoria. This tells you how much I've drank. I literally had, like, a sip of whiskey.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Well, yeah, mistakes is not taking ownership.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I don't think either one of ours were.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
The reason why I was resistant to you, Nick, is... is because you came in all Dr. Phil, and I was warned about you going into Special Forces. By who? By my publicist.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I was warned. This one? No, no, different publicist. I was warned about you. I was told that you were gonna like, that you had talked a lot of shit, like dragged me, okay? That's true. And that you were gonna try, you were gonna take the, he's like, just wait, he's gonna try to take the opportunity to Dr. Phil you.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Yeah, it was. I had been up. We had gone out. I'd been up all night. You process grief at different times. Sure. At that point, that was, like, one of the first times it, like, really hit me that, like, about my friend, you know, emotionally and mentally about everything with my friend Ali who had passed away.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
And the reason why I wouldn't make that commitment is because you wanted me to make a vow to you.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
No, you said that. You literally said. I didn't say make a vow to me. Yes, you did. You said make a promise to me, Nick Vial, Nick Vial, to never cheat again. And I'm like, dude, I'm not making any sort of like vow to you, Nick. Okay, agree to disagree. But that's not really the point. No, that's why you asked me to make a vow to you, dude.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I know, Tom, you definitely want kids, right? 16 of them. You want 16? No, he does not want 16. That is not happening.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
You want kids. I don't want to go too much in the previous relationship, but there was a major disconnect. Sure. There was a massive disconnect, and it felt more of like a business partnership than anything. But either way, whether that was the case or not, the way I fucking handled it was absolutely atrocious.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
And it doesn't fucking matter. And I will never, ever. I mean, again, like I feel like I've been there, done that. Like I'd never been in a relationship that long. I'd never like, like as soon as we started dating, everybody's like, when are you going to put a ring on? It was like immediately we were pushed together. Sure. which was great in the beginning.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
But as time went on, the differences in us really started to shine. And instead of us working on it, we just sort of just kind of drifted away. And it was just something like, which is unfortunate. It's unfortunate. Became a comfort thing. She was still like, yeah, it's done. How do you guys help each other in general? Oh, she helps me all the time.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
don't want to say less i don't want to make it like a taking care of thing like it's all about my needs and all that stuff i don't i don't want to make it like listen i you were just every relationship you independent to take care of each other right yeah i need to connect you you know yes you need to take care of each other that's yeah and for different reasons and good times and bad you need to when i'm yeah but when i first met him it was a shit show he was so insecure he felt so beat down i'm i mean you know the world was going after him and everything
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
And it just was, like, I was just up all night just, like, sobbing and, like, just, like, talking about him. I was, like, really sad because... Obviously, I was like, I really liked her and I really wanted her to meet him and like just that whole, you know, just all of it.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
me telling you like hey this isn't cool like and and then i would soften up and i'd be like would you do these things again no it's hard right you know you think you see one thing you get told another must be confusing yeah you know yeah and and i know too that like because of my past and what i've done like there's different rules with me now and and that's something that i have to live with and i and i do live with that and i understand that and i accept that
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
you know I understand that you know on a normal like normal people you know that haven't done what I've done like they can have more freedoms and more things but like as somebody who's done what I've done like it's it takes time it takes time and I get that well in another I mean it is kind of it's it is ridiculous and you said this and I'll say it but like and it doesn't make it okay but like no you know
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Yeah. And he was. Oh, no. I mean, he was drinking. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. OK. Yeah. Yeah.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Oh, I mean, I would have too. Yeah. Yeah. I just, I completely forgot.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I know that. You've come a long way. Thanks, man. Yeah, I feel like I have. I actually wasn't even planning on drinking this week, but you're like, let's open the bottle. I was like, all right. Okay. All right.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Honestly, I don't know. I got shows coming up. I want to get my podcast going again, working on that.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Yeah, it's definitely I mean, it's obviously not where it used to be, but it's definitely bouncing back for sure and has gotten better. And there are things happening and I'm really excited about it. Like, it's really awesome. It feels like a gift, you know, to be able to do that again, because when
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
When you lose something like that for so long, it's like you kind of get used to like, OK, it's never it's never going to happen again. But it does. It's starting to happen again. And it feels really good. It feels nice to be, you know, there's other show opportunities coming up and like other things like that. It feels really good for myself because it shows that I am. valuable TV.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I'm valuable being on, on TV. I'm valuable to a show. And it felt really good to like hear that and see that with, with traders and feel that way, even like with special forces. And I'm sure you felt that way too, because you were very valuable on that show, special forces as well. You did great. I mean, you won.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
That's what was so great about Traitors, too, and Special Forces. Well, it's a different show. Yes, with Vanderpump Rules, of course those shows are toxic. I mean, they're rewarding bad behavior. You're supposed to show up, doing your job is showing up and having the one conversation about the one thing you don't want to talk about with the one person you don't want to talk about it with.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
You know what I mean? The most uncomfortable, awkward, like feel nauseous in your stomach, like dry mouth conversations all the time after, you know, a couple to several drinks. You know what I mean? And maybe like a little bit of lack of sleep if we're on a trip and at least a little bit of lack of sleep if we're on a trip. So it's just it is. And it's nerve wracking, too, because.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
They film a scene. They film something like me going to meet up with Lala for lunch and it's shot for an hour and a half. And if we're lucky, we get five minutes of that. So they have all the power to show like, which I would see happen in Vanderpump Rules, you know, like. Sure.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
If I if I keep pushing you in the arm, pushing you in the arm, pushing you in the arm, and then you finally go, Tom, stop like you're an asshole. Stop doing that. What they'll do is they'll cut out like pushing you in the arm five times and just get just get me pushing you. You calling me an asshole. And then and then they create the debate. They create the debate online. Whose side you on?
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
You team Nick or you team Tom? That's and I saw, you know, I've been on the show with other cast members who abuse that and do that. And to try to provoke you because they know they're going to keep heckling you, heckling you, going after you, attacking you, attacking you until you finally snap. And then they don't show the heckling, the lead up to all the heckling and all the badgering.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
And then they show you them saying it one time or something once and then you getting upset. and then cut, print, you know what I mean?
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Yeah, especially considering James and I's past. Yeah, he was getting chants going like Sandoval's a liar. But unlike James Kennedy, I'm not going to kick him while he's down. I'm sure he's dealing with a lot, but... With that being said, whether there's alcohol involved or not, there's absolutely no excuse for a man to put his hands on a woman.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
And also, there are a lot of previous other allegations, and where there's smoke, there's fire. And that's all I want to really say about that.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I don't know. I don't know. That's on her. I don't know.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Whether it happens to be around the beginning of the season or not. That's fair. He's still doing it.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Yeah. But that's the thing. I'm not Jax. Okay.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I just... I just don't like to, I do not feel good when somebody is down or when they're like going through it, like dog piling on them. That is not a good feeling to me. I feel like they're already getting it enough, but I'm just saying like, I, I'm not going to do be that person. And yeah, I don't know if it's necessarily a soft spot or what.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I just, when I see that everybody is dogpiling on somebody who's really trying to like, like Jax, for instance, with somebody who's really trying to do something like every day, you got to do this every day. When I stopped drinking, I smoked a lot of cigarettes and I drank all day. And to stop doing that takes, it's like an all day, every day process. And you don't have anything numbing you.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
All you have to distract you is just trying to keep yourself busy and focused. And on top of that, your world is crumbling. So it's like Jax's world is kind of is crumbling, you know, going through divorce, all that stuff. He's got, you know, Cruz and, you know, he's been getting a lot of hate and stuff like that.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
And for him to be sober during this time, I told him, I sent him the last text I sent him was like, listen you are being very powerful right now do not let anybody else take your power away from you what do you say he really appreciated it because i saw some came out about him just like dogging him and i'm like you know this to me feels like something that would
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
be like fuck it nobody cares nobody really gives a shit it's all for nothing i'm just gonna fucking go out and get shit face and do some coke do you think i should be open to giving him a little bit more grace yeah i mean look that's up to you i'm bad but i'm asking your opinion i think so okay i think so i think it's one of those things where jack's loved famously loved to say on every reunion
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
he would be like, you know, I'm just, I'm working on myself. I'm a work in progress. But like, it was like, he just was saying that shit. It's like, he had like a, he had like a pull string, you know, though you pull it and he'd say like 10 different things, you know what I mean? And that was one of them, but now he's actually doing it. So that's where I got to give him credit.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
And to me, that's evolving. And also I think having a son and knowing, I mean, obviously you having a daughter, it's like, you know, that you are,
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
a model for that person you know you're an example of life and how to be and i think that is really starting to like hit him um if it you know if it hasn't already i don't hang out with jacks like a ton i don't but you know you can consider him a friend or just someone you're supporting from afar I consider Jax a friend. And I mean, we're not like, we don't hang out and talk every day.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
You know what I mean? I don't have like a ton of people that I do that with as it is.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
No, we're cool. You know, he's Jax. He annoys me sometimes, but I've known him for a long time and, and that's, you know, that's just who he is. And that's our friendship. And that's what, you know, he stays in that place of, of our friendship where it's at. And it's cool.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Like, but when I see somebody who's really, really actually doing something, like doing something, when I see somebody go like piling on them, it's like, I feel as a friend that I need to encourage him and, and, and I will, and I will encourage him and I will champion for him and I will,
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I feel like it was kind of a suggestion for all of us, but I was very adamant about it to say her mom. Because my mom does that herself. Sometimes you come up with the same idea around whatever. But we noticed some things happening, especially with her peeling back the layers of the onion and finding shit out. It was creating stuff. And it had. And it continued to.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
But we had to figure out a healthy way to deal with that. And on top of that, I was like, it's so much... easier to learn good habits now than to unlearn habits, bad habits later.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Well, as gorgeous and beautiful as she is, she's so down to earth, so cool and just so loving and so nurturing. She's really fun and spontaneous. We're really spontaneous together at times. And we push each other. We really kind of like pick up where the other one leaves off. We had the best time. First date ever.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Ever. Why? It just was like.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
It was just like, first of all, it like kind of came together like last second. It was like, oh, I'm like, wait, should we do this? We planned on having a date, but like, let's not. And I was like, you know what? Fuck it. Let's do it. And so.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
yeah and so we you know i think we had it at craigs yes deliberately because that's where you guys met or that was just no it just it just happened we both like the place and we ended up getting we had some martinis yeah we had some espresso martinis and we sat down and we ordered a bunch of which she had never had oysters for in fact she said she was like you can order i was like what do you like and she's like anything but oysters i was like
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
okay, can I get some oysters? And I ordered some oysters because I was like, how long has it been since you've had them? I'm like, let me like do them up for you. Like, let me add the minyak, the everything. And I did. And I was like, just try it once. And she tried it. And I actually have a video of it, but her trying it. Do you like them?
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
We literally just had oysters yesterday.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
You can tell the rest. We ended up having sex in the bathroom at Craig's. It was her idea.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Not only Craig cares. I think he likes it, actually.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
And then we ended up running into the naughty pig and taking like the best Polaroids. Pretty, pretty racy. And then we ended up at, what was it?
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Barney's. Yeah, we went to Barney's. And then, yeah. Yeah. And then we ended up getting the food to go, and then we ate it when we got home.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
No, it doesn't. I mean... So we... I thought you were a virgin. What? Sorry to break it to you.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
No, I actually was talking to Sheena. I know she was, when she was on The Masked Singer, we were talking about that. And I talked to Lala, you know, a couple weeks ago or so, checked in. I mean, obviously we're in different places in our life and we're both homebodies in our own way. But yeah, I mean, I still talk to some people like now and again, you know what I mean? It's just...
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
It's one of those things like when you're on a reality show like that for 12 years and you're not filming, it's like you almost get used to just like cutting yourself off kind of for a little bit like from everybody because you really enjoy the time away. So it's like we're almost like having to like learn how to like reconnect again in a way where it's like. We don't have to watch what we say.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
We don't have to, you know, and which has been, I got to say, man, obviously the way the show got canceled, it's not canceled, but recasted. It sucked to find out like that and to have it happen then. But it's been really nice.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Like I've really enjoying like being in a relationship with somebody who, you know, doesn't have to go through that where we're not getting questioned on what we had for dinner like last night. And then, you know, how many times I wiped my ass in the morning. Like, it's literally like, it's so, it feels so invasive, man. And it's so nice.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Oh, they're actually calling right now.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
She said, you're so funny. We'll talk later. Sorry, I wasn't that good, but.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Yeah, one thing that would be different if they did do something is it wouldn't be Vanderpump Rules again. It would be coming. I'm sure it would be coming into something sort of a different experience because what ends up happening is like her being my girlfriend. It's like she would just be Tom's girlfriend instead of like Victoria Lee Robinson.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
coming into a situation like now or if they did something different or pivoted she would come in on an equal playing field because you know i don't know if you've noticed on vanderpump rules but like the new people that come in there's a lot of like i don't do it but there's a lot of hazing that goes on and a lot of like ganging up on the new person there's like a you know
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I've never been that way. I've always been the opposite. What would be nice is if that did happen, at least there wouldn't be that. You wouldn't be getting hazed by people the way you would have if you would have came on Vanderpump Rules. Like you would have ganged up on or felt like you didn't have a voice.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I don't anymore. I have to stop. If she would have seen everything that happened, it's like time goes by, you get over it, you've been there, done that. But it's like, I would have almost rather her have done that, had that happen beforehand because then it's like, we're getting deeper into the relationship and it's like, oh, she's seeing this. Somebody sent her this. Somebody tagged her in this.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
So what's the deal with you and Chris Shell? Well, I'll tell you a story, actually. For Valentine's Day, we went back to Craig's because it was like right after our like one year anniversary. And we had dinner there. And it was so funny. We were walking into Craig's. They're like asking me like TMZ's there.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
And they're like, hey, so because it's in the midst of traders and they're like, so like what's going on with you and Chris Shell? Blah, blah, blah. Like ask me. And I'm like. Oh, we're best friends. We're like, you know, just joking around and going there. And then we're sitting there at dinner. We ended up running into Tara Reid and her boyfriend, Nate.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Yeah. We ended up making a double date. Her boyfriend, Nate's so cool. Like she's very sweet.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Oh, yeah. Oh, my gosh. She looks really good. Yeah. So we're there and get up like we're all talking. We like get up, use the bathroom. And I walk by the same room we were in and I see a group of people standing up to like take a picture.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Yeah, that we were in after Special Forces. The private room. Yeah, the private room. And I lock eyes with Chrishell. She's in that room taking a picture. And I was like, holy shit, babe. Chrishell's in that room.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
and i was like we came back and i was like you know what i'm gonna send them i knew she saw me too like it just happened to be one of those things i looked in and it was like we literally looked at each other and she like looked away and i was like oh my gosh oh my gosh and tom has one drink and he's already like because we don't really drink and i was like you know i'm gonna send them uh i'm gonna send them around the shots and so i sent them around the shots and
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
And the waiter told me, they're like, are you kidding me? What? Like, I was just like, you know, let's, you know what I mean? Let's let it, let's slip by God's, you know what I mean? Like.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
God. Her story has changed quite a bit. It went from, I remember when I watched, I mean, I got sent that part of the podcast, that clip. What part of the podcast? When she was here.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
She said something along the lines of, I went up to Tom to tell him that I followed Ariana on Instagram. Sure. And like she's a girl's girl or something. Yeah. And I'm like, when we did Special Forces and obviously like you have a certain feeling towards me, like I get it. I fully get it. And especially back then, like I fully understand.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I didn't go on Special Forces even knowing that you had said a lot of shit about me or whatever. I didn't take anything out on you. I didn't treat you any way. And in fact, I felt like we bonded. Yeah.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
No, I don't do that. I don't like to do that. I don't I don't think it's cool. And, you know, so going into something like that, we shared a car together on the way to the castle for the first time. And Dolores was there. And I think Jeremy was in the car and we're all just like talking and just like whatever. Like, and she was like, you know, I just so you know, I follow Ariana on Instagram.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
And I'm like, that's totally cool. I get it. You're a girl. Like she's massively, you know, successful. She's a hero now. Like I fully understand. I also like Sierra's there. I know Sierra follows her. I like, I know Dorinda follows her. Like every, but Dolores, like all, every, I knew like probably like,
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Somebody, and it's like... Well, it scares the shit out of me. Yeah, of course. I fully understand.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
If these are reality women in a castle, like on Traders, I'm assuming that at least 50% of them probably follow my acts. It's no big deal. When we took our blindfolds off, you know, as a poker player, do you ever play poker? I don't play all the time, but you play.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
When somebody like sits up in their seat and they look down and they like have to like readjust themselves and they're like thinking about what's okay. I got to like, that's what happened when we took the blindfolds off. I clocked it. Tony right next to her clocked it. Like I asked Danielle, she, I said, give me, give me two names. And one of them was Chris shell. even though she was a traitor.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
But anyways, that's all it was, is I was just trying to play the game. And when I brought that up, her reaction to me, I didn't see it at the time. I didn't see it as a possibility. I'm like, there's only two reasons why somebody would react this way. Because when you see traitors go after each other, you'll notice they throw more personal digs in. You know what I mean?
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Like, if you watch, like, when somebody else gets accused, like, who's not a traitor, they're just like,
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
okay i understand what you feel i'm definitely not a traitor i'm a faithful this is why this is why they don't go oh yeah well your mother never loved you or like you know they don't sit there and say that shit you definitely saw bob the drag queen and like boston rob doing that you saw carolyn and like danielle doing that because they're traitors because they're being really defensive that's what i thought initially when i when she said that i was mortified when she like brought up the whole scandal so you're just like yeah you must be okay let
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
So I thought that initially and her story changed immediately from I follow Ariana on Instagram to now change to Ariana and I are friends. So you're personally coming after me. And she really has been trying to like sell that story.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
which is bullshit and she knows it because she's changed it back to on your podcast like we're not even really friends like yeah we you know we follow each other and we don't sound like we talk like it was annoying to see that happen and later on as I realized that she's not a traitor I'm like okay why is she doing this she's not doing this because she's a traitor being defensive she's doing it to ride the coattails of the scandal knowing that she'll have
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
a platform of people that already hate me that will fucking get behind her and that's exactly what happened what are your thoughts on that it's possible i mean i think michelle's very you know michelle's no dummy um you know oh yeah you should have seen it too they edited this part out like after she said all that stuff like i could see you doing this because you you know what you're capable of all this right after she was done saying that she goes like this she goes
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Yeah, because we kind of breezed over that. So she came to the show, and then I had to leave right away because we were filming our finale. It was season 11 finale in San Francisco, Kyle Chan's event. So I had to leave directly after that. I never even met her that night. And then cut to our premiere of Special Forces. Oh, okay. So were you there? I'm trying to remember. Were you there at Craig's?
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I don't even feel safe being this... Like, comfortable being this close to you. Like, while we were sitting at the... It was, like, a full thing. And I'm sorry. Like, I gotta put her on blast. Like, that was some fucking bullshit. And it, like, hurt my feelings. It hurt me. And she keeps trying to, like, paint this picture. Which I...
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obviously wasn't and you know and then she goes on to watch what happens live and says that like i was sweating because i had lots of coke and i had sugar running through my veins that's not cool she said that that's really accused you of she literally goes oh oh oh oh she goes it was like a you know she he had lots of coke and there was lots of sugar running through his veins okay
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
yeah that's dirty that's nice a little dirty yeah so i just wanted you to be aware of that because i thought i saw like what she said on your podcast and i was like what i would uh if i were you i'd be upset yeah it was uh it was frustrating to deal with and i did not talk to that girl she also added in nice little things like oh all he did was talk about himself and
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I don't know if you remember me eating in the castle standing up all the time. I literally would eat standing up so I could go around and just like try to figure out to the traders. We didn't have time to talk about shit like that.
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But yeah, I just, I noticed that cause it had, it had been sent my way and I was just like, what? I was like, what is this shit?
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Yeah, you were there, right? Yes. Okay. So do you remember two girls coming up?
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With JoJo Siwa? After dinner, we left. Pretty quickly? Yeah, immediately. So her and her friend came towards the end, and they knocked on the door because she... She recognized me from- Well, like I said, my friend liked it. Yeah, from the most extra show that she went to. She was like, oh, that's that guy that you, whatever. And so- That your friend was into.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
We all ended up hanging out afterwards. I don't know if you remember. I was like, hey, you guys want to go do karaoke or something?
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Yeah, and JoJo was kind of into it. There was a couple other people that were into it. I was like, do you want to come with us or meet us over there? And we went to Saddle Ranch, and then nobody ended up showing up. So it was just the three of us. And so we hung out and we ended up like hanging out and like just we had a great night. But it was it was pretty obvious like I wasn't into her friend.
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And not that I was into her or anything. I just was like, we're just having a good time. It's very casual. And then like months went by. Like we're talking like end of October.
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You feel like you taste the port finish on the end?
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Oh, there's these like church candles that we have that are like Schwartz is Joseph and me is like baby Jesus in his arms with a trumpet. He just panics and looks down and goes, you want a candle? They're like, I didn't make them. Why do you have a candle with you? Somebody made these candles. We would, we would sell them at Tom Tom. Cause I had the Tom Tom clock.
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It's just, it's a funny, it's a spoof candle.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
And so I just was like, Oh yeah. Do you want a candle? And like, I don't know. I kind of panicked. I wasn't like my, my mindset was not there. And, uh,
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And then months went by before we actually, like, we were friends at first. So we hung out on Halloween. Nothing happened. And then, like, you know, a while went by. And then finally we slowly just kind of, yeah.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
By that point, it had probably been, like, five months.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
And I'm like, I was very, uh, I mean,
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
I was waking up daily to, like, stuff. Like, it just was never-ending. And, yeah, it was rough, obviously.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
It was... At first, I was... uh drinking like crazy okay and then i i realized like this is a i mean even leading up to all of that i was drinking all the time like almost pretty much every day all day and just like constantly just
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
It took some convincing on your part and Dylan helped. Dylan Efron, he definitely helped. That was, we appreciate Dylan, yeah.
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
numbing myself to my life and shit and anyways and then you know after that it didn't stop and then finally i was like there's so many things that i can't help you know like i can't help like that all these things but there's certain things i can control and so i stopped drinking i stopped smoking cigarettes i just started working out and just like focusing on all the things that i could actually do that made me feel better i started doing guided meditation i was seeing a therapist
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
just kept busy and honestly like we had tour dates booked like you know from when this like before this all this broke you know and i had to go out and do that i look back as a very empowering moment and
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
for myself because I had to walk out with people that had scumbag and cheaters and warm with the mustache and all this shit in the audience wondering like what the fuck they're gonna see when they like come you know come out there like why they're just here to witness whatever it is spectacle the spectacle of it all
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
And I had to go out there, stone sober, look at these people in their fucking eyeballs and be a lead singer of a cover band. It was like bungee jumping every show. But I'm so glad that I did it. I had people telling me, cancel it, cancel it. If we would have canceled these shows, the band would have dissolved and it would have been done. And I would not have gotten anywhere.
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But it was like, no, I need to like...
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face it go for it and do it and i'm so glad that i did because these people would show up wanting to like hate or bring signs or whatever and then they would end up just having such a blast and like rocking out and then like you know as they're leaving maybe like post a quick video of them being like yeah fuck you sandoval yeah you suck but like they actually had a great time you know what i mean they're like for the record we did not have fun here okay
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E911 Going Deeper – Tom Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson
Oh, man. That was a lot. I, um, I was going through a lot. Obviously I was in a very different place in my life and yeah. I mean, first off, I know that, um, we had talked like, which was, it was my fault. Like we had texted that we were, you know, I'm glad you acknowledged that. No, it was.
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He can't afford a house?
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Wow, you really just stole that center right there.
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Natalie had that teed up perfectly. Yes, it is.
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What a loser. Oh, my God.
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Yeah. Whitney terrifies me. He's amazing television.