Todd McShay
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The Bill Simmons Podcast
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And I don't have any information that's saying Cleveland is taking Shador, just to make that clear. But if I'm Andrew Barry and I'm saying, all right, the salary cap's horrible this year, and it's not going to be any better next year. We maybe can get a Russell Wilson or make a trade for Kirk Cousins, but that's just temporary.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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That could help us win some games this year while we're developing a young quarterback, whether that's for later in his rookie year or for year two. But we got to get to year two because if we're drafting this high next year and talking about like Garrett Nussmeyer from LSU or Carson Beck or whoever the quarterbacks are going to be next year,
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We're probably not the decision makers here in Cleveland. We probably lost our job.
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Correct. So it makes sense that you're bringing Kenny Pickett as a backup and maybe he does better things than all of us expect if forced into duty. Exactly. But so why are they still in the market for these veterans? Well, they're not going to cost anything. And so they weren't in it for Stafford. They're not in it for Aaron Rodgers.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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But if they can bring in someone to help win games, whether it's the whole year or part of this rookie year for Shador Sanders, that gives them a shot. And then if you have Shador, there's energy, there's excitement about the future. And Stefanski is one of the handful of guys in the league that I believe could get the most out of Shador and actually win a lot of games with.
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And his dad, we can say all the things you want about Coach Prime, and he's not for everybody, and the way he handles things, it's kind of against the establishment, so there's obviously always going to be pushback, right? Yeah. But he is dialed into the league, and he knows the guys that can help develop his son.
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And at the end of the day, as a father, all you want to do is put your children in a position where they can help them get the best of what they are, no matter what their career path is. And so I think he looks at it, and with his connections in the league and his understanding, and he looks at it and says, you know what? I'm in a good position.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Yes, he makes more money if he goes and picks one, two, or three. But also with that, and it's kind of unique, there are three guys that are running the organization as head coaches that actually can coach quarterbacks. And he's not going number one where Brian Callahan is, but Stefanski's an outstanding quarterback developer and can work with him.
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And Brian Dayball, while he's worked with bigger, you know, Josh Allens and Jalen Hurts at Alabama, he's worked with guys that have different traits. Brian Dayball can coach quarterbacks really well. Right. So I think the combination of, yeah, he gets more money, but probably just as, if not more importantly, I trust where he's going to go and the people who are going to be working with
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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You should have seen my comments after I came out and I started talking about this. Oh, yeah. Simmons got to you. Simmons got to you, right? And my answer is, yeah, he got me thinking. There's no question. He got me thinking with some of the social media stuff that I was oblivious to because I'm sitting here watching like R.J. Harvey, the running back from UCF right now.
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They're not, but no one wants to. Matthew Stafford, at the end of the day, he was offered the same. And I've even heard reports maybe like a little bit more to go to New York. But if you're looking at it and I say I get two, three years left, I'm not certain that Joe Shane and more importantly, Brian Dable is going to be there for two or three years. What's the stability of the organization?
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Yes. So that's why for the majority of people I talk to in the league, Bill, It is a later first, maybe early second round grade for Shador. But for the teams that are in these very unique situations, Cleveland at two and the Giants at three, they have circumstances that require them to make decisions differently. that maybe they wouldn't make if they had six years left on their contract.
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They'd done a lot of winning, and they wanted a quarterback, but they didn't need to reinvigorate the fan base and, more importantly, show promise towards the future.
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And he talked himself into it. Didn't have to come back for a second year where defensive coordinators had seen it the first time around. Like, Shador, here's the thing that I find interesting. First of all, when you watch the tape, he's tough as nails. So forget all the diamonds and the commercials and all that stuff.
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This guy is an old school throwback, pocket passing, stare down the gun barrel, take the hits and pop back up type of quarterback. And the other part is, too, it's interesting talking to people in the league. To a T, it's like, yeah, Prime's getting all the media attention and people think that that's a headache. He's not going to be a headache when Shador comes here.
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In fact, and I don't want to go into a lot of detail, and it's speculation and one person's thoughts on it versus another's, but Cam Ward's got a father, apparently, who's been very involved. And so there's talk in the league of like, And it's not going to affect where Cam goes. He's going to be the first pick in the draft.
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But the interesting part to people in the league is we'd be a little bit more worried about the externals with Cam than we are with Shador and Coach Prime.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
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Yeah, nothing was disrespectful.
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He knows something that maybe we just don't know. Right.
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No, and they need a running back, and this just so happens to be the best running back class maybe in the history of the draft and certainly since 2017. Yeah. And they're not that far away. They're really not. And I go through it. If I'm Shador and I've got assurances that it could be Cleveland, but if it's not, it's very likely going to be the Giants.
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I think that that probably led to what you were just talking about, too.
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I do hear that the Jets could throw us a curveball the first night. Let's just get it out here now. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but I think there's a little bit of love for Jackson Dart in that building.
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And if it wasn't Denver, it was probably going to be second round. And that place, it just, Sean Payton fell in love with him. Perfect fit. And that's how it worked out. And listen, Jackson Dark doesn't go seven, which again, maybe let's put a 25, 30% chance at most at this point. New Orleans is a possibility at nine.
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Right. And everyone's like, well, they brought Derek Carr back. Yeah, one more year. But this would actually be a perfect time to get a rookie quarterback as we work through all the salary stuff, not force him out there for year one. So I think Jackson Dart could be a top 10 pick. But if he's not, then it's like, you know, we talk about 21 to Pittsburgh or a team. That's the other thing.
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Either the Browns or the Giants are very likely to take Shudor. Whichever team doesn't, the Browns are picking at 33, which is the first pick of the second round. The Giants are picking one spot after that. I think you'll see one of those teams, whichever one doesn't get a quarterback, wind up moving into the first round.
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Maybe it's to pick 19 to Tampa or 20 to Denver to try to secure Jackson Dart and also to get that fifth year. In the NFL, there's a fifth year option for the first round player. So you want to get that for that extra year of security as an organization.
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Absolutely. Let's bring it back to the top four, right? It's a puzzle. Yeah. And we know one, we've got one of the four pieces of the puzzle with those four picks. I feel very strongly like we've got it planted in there, right? So now figuring out the other three, it's almost like the rest of the draft starts at pick five. Yeah.
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Like Mason Graham and Tyler Warren and the running backs and all this. But the first four picks, it's like, how does this work? Right.
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And I put it in there because I wound up with Abdul Carter in the newsletter, in the mock draft 2.0. I put Abdul Carter in there, but I'm very, very clear to my friends here in New England, like, don't get overly excited because a lot has to happen.
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But if Shador goes two or three, you can buy two jerseys and get rid of one of them because it's going to be Hunter or Carter, period.
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I think they've prepared like most good organizations do. And I'm not saying the Giants have been, but organizations are in free agency, are trying to free themselves up to take the best player in the draft. The Giants obviously have Kayvon Thibodeau and Brian Burns at edge. So you look at it and you say, it's not a huge needle. Who cares?
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Like when you get a player like that at the second most important position, you take him. And so if it goes where Shador is number two, they have their choice. And so that's a good position to be in. But what if Abdul goes one or two? Or what if Abdul goes two, right? And they're sitting there three and Hunter's the only guy.
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Or if Hunter goes two and then Abdul's sitting there, they've got to make sure that they're covered. They re-signed Darius Slayton at wide receiver. They Paulson Adebo at cornerback. So they're covered. But you're talking about excellence versus just solid players.
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Yes. And now you, now you have, and then the opportunity to go get a Jackson dart with that, as you had mentioned. So there's a lot of ways this can play out, but for new England, the only thing you really truly have to pray for is that should door goes number two or three, because then you get either the best or the second best player in this entire draft falling to you at four.
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And that doesn't happen very often.
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I mean, yeah, you had me on the show. No, I had to. Yeah. Yeah.
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Well, the problem is, though, if you're New England, if Shador doesn't go, right? Let's say Cleveland and the Giants pass, and it goes Abdul Carter 2, Hunter 3, or vice versa. Then now you're in, remember I said- You're in membo range. Yes. And Membo's a right tackle.
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Membo's a right tackle in college. And can he kick to the left side? Are they comfortable with that? And Will Campbell's a pure left tackle, but he's got 32 and a half inch arm length. And that's concerning when you're using a top 10 pick. You just want it to be clean. And so, and then you got Jalen Walker from Georgia who would do great things. Right.
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Edge rusher who do great things in Mike Vrabel's defense. But again, you're talking about elite and no matter what the draft, Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter are elite. They're in that top tier to then like, it could be one of like six or seven guys with very similar grades. And now we're, now we are focusing more on the need.
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What's your blood pressure going to be like when Cleveland and the Giants come up to make their... Like during that...
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Yeah, probably.
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Yes. Don't you think? Probably. Probably.
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Yeah, of course you do.
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Unless you're a team behind trying to, the Giants would know if you're willing to give up that pick, you're not, you're not taking them.
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That's the play. We might move back to 789. The Jets are a surprise team. The Saints, whoever.
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It's like a hair. They're basically identical. The tricky part for Hunter is what's the plan, right? And for a team like New England, I've got to believe it's... You don't have Drake May and say, yeah, we just drafted this guy for overall generational talent. He's going to be a nickel corner as a rookie and eventually our starting corner. You might get 20 plays with him on offense.
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It's just not going to happen. So everyone is talking about the moonlighting where you'd like to play him at corner because that's the harder position in terms of developing and developing. the technique and being part of part of 11 there, whereas wide receivers, a little bit more ISO one, it's kind of like an NBA thing, you know?
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A lot of one-on-one stuff. So for New England, I can't imagine that would be the case. I think it would be you're a full-time receiver. We've got our biggest asset in this entire organization is Drake May. And so we've got to assist that.
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Yeah. So it depends on the team. But I'll say this. I think Travis Hunter is more advanced as a wide receiver right now. I think Travis Hunter can be Garrett Wilson with maybe a touch more juice after the catch. So I would have no problem with him being a 50-snap-a-game offensive player and 25 third downs, red zone, that kind of stuff on defense if you can manage all that.
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Like just, it's this random thing. Remember when Dion would come on the field to return a punch or kick? Do you remember like- Or when he would line up at receiver, it was like so exciting.
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The running backs are fascinating to me too, though.
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I just, Cam Hayward's what, 36 now? Right.
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For each of those teams, you look at the Raiders and like some of their other position, like wide receiver, there's no receiver to draft that high. Some of the other position, cornerback, like John A. Barron from Texas, but it's not like, we're not talking about, you know, one of those like elite, elite corners. Uh,
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you look at what Pete Carroll is at and he's not necessarily, you know, going to be the, it depends on what his role winds up being, but Tom Brady is going to play a big part in all of this too. But from a, From the standpoint of how they want to build it, you want to have a great defense. They want to recapture some of the Legion of Doom stuff.
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They want to have a running back like a Marshawn Lynch who can be there. A big banger. Protect the ball. Let the defense take care of a lot of the business on the field. And that's what Jinty is in terms of an every down back. The missed tackles forced. He's just... He's a special back.
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So it makes sense for that organization and for that pick where they are because it's not like they're passing on this elite pass rusher or corner or wide receiver that they shouldn't for a running back. And then for Chicago... They handle their business so well in free agency.
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Three offensive linemen. They're protecting their quarterback. They could go tackle with that spot if Will Campbell's still there. But I also... I have concerns enough with drafting a 32-and-a-half-inch-arm tackle in the top 10. And... If we bring in a running back to go with DeAndre Swift, how much more are we protecting our quarterback by having two backs?
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And so if one goes down, we still have a top shelf back. If both are in there, they're keeping each other fresh. We can run the football. We can take some pressure. I don't know. And we saw what Ben Johnson did with Jameer Gibbs and how quickly that offense went from, you know, 90 to 100. The one player, really.
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Could be, yeah. Isn't that crazy? There's only three starting tackles in the league at the end of the year with sub-33-inch arms. So you're playing... Parcells used to say, we don't want a roster full of exceptions, you know? So that part's concerning.
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No.
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Especially not this year when I'm looking at guys like Quinshawn Judkins from Ohio State and Cam Scadaboo. His tape I liked even more than I thought after watching the awesome things he did this season.
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I don't know that he's going to get there. He might not. But even if not, you've got R.J. Harvey from UCF. You've got D.J. Giddens from Kansas City.
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And so, and sometimes though, when you look at it and say, well, I can get those guys later. Sometimes it's like, hold, hold, you know, and then all of a sudden one goes and there will be this, this run. But I think everyone's going to kind of wait to see where the dominoes start to fall before they jump in.
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Cause no one wants to draft a, no one wants to draft a running back over some of these other premium positions. Even if you're talking about pick 40, they'd rather wait.
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Going back to the Bears, it's kind of what I said earlier, like the good teams, they plug all the holes so that they can pick the best player available. They do have a luxury pick, and you would say, well, how do the Bears have a luxury pick? Well, that would be, to a certain degree, a luxury pick, but it fits what they want to do. But the other part of it is,
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Maybe you say a 10 and you draft an offensive tackle, or maybe you draft an edge rusher, like a Mike Kell Williams from Georgia. Because they are picking it... I've got it right here. 39 and 41 in the second round. Yeah. And so if I... I love Omari and Hampton from UNC at running back.
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But what if I just take a stab at one of these pass rushers and look at what like the Eagles... What if I load up on my D?
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Load up on my D, go get Cam Scadaboo, go get Quinshawn Judkins, one of those guys at 39. I can still draft an offensive lineman or defensive player with that 41st pick. So there's different ways to look at all of this. And that's why I think it's gonna be fascinating. We... We're going to see at least two running backs in the first round, I think three.
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I don't know that we're going to see two in the top 10, but we could.
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I think everyone wants to be so quick to look at the highlights and the spectacular plays and they are spectacular. And then they want to look at his size and then they want to look at the report from Schultz. Was it that where he ran a four, four, eight, I talked to some scouts, they had closer to four, four, five, somewhere in that range, regardless. Um,
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I don't see the dog in him and I don't see the refinement and Drake London wasn't overly refined. He needed a year before he could be a thousand plus yard receiver, but that's the comp, right? Tall, just acrobatic type of guy, but they're, yes, the shades of, but they're not, they're not the same player.
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Absolutely. And he will go. I mean, he could go as high as Dallas at 12, let's say. But I had him going later in the first round. I had him going to the Ravens, kind of at that point, best player available. They could use another receiver. Probably go somewhere in between that range when it's all said and done. But I'm betting on Matthew Golden from Texas.
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If you need a receiver, that's why I gave you Dallas.
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I've got two. And then Emeka Ibuka could be the third that sneaks in from Ohio State. We'll see how he runs in his pro day. But he would be the third that I think has a good chance to go.
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Let me give you another name real quick.
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If you're not getting the receiver that first pick at 38 for New England, Jaden Higgins from Iowa State. Do a little work on him.
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They're looking for a physical receiver.
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I know, but I'm just saying, he's a name that fits what they're looking for.
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I think Jackson dart could be, I'm just looking at it right now.
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I'll give you a guy, everyone coming out of the combine. Nicky Manwari, right, from South Carolina. Really good player.
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I don't think an elite player yet. I think he's still getting there. I think used in the right scheme. I'd love to see him with, I would say... trying to think of Seattle would be a perfect spot, right? McDonald, the way he, he, what he did, Baltimore, Hamilton. I could see that being a really good marriage, but even worry was, was like almost six, four, 220 pounds.
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His combination of like size 40 time, which was four, four flat and vertical broad jump. It had never been done in the history of the combat. Like he's that special of an athlete. It was awesome to watch. I still think the other safety who ran after him and ran a pedestrian time and didn't jump like him.
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And I think Malachi Starks from Georgia could wind up being a top 15 pick ahead of Eamon Worry. And I think that would surprise people right now.
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We haven't talked about this publicly, but there's no better place to do it. I texted Russillo the other day with the old line of the town, the movie. I can't tell you what we're going to do. You can't ever tell us. Whose car are we taking? And I said, your answer needs to be whose car are we going to take? Right.
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And that was in regards to, I wanted to take over his house for the third day of the draft and do a live stream from there. I can't wait. Sounds great. So we're announcing that right now. Without permission, but I figured, who's going to yell at me? You, right? But I would love to do that as part of the day three of the draft to get Russell to run. I'm going to guess...
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I would be more interested in like the three cone or the short shuttle, the lateral agility with all that weightlifting. I just can't see that ending well.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Special teamer effort.
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Yeah. Kind of like that celebrity basketball game he played. I'll never forget that.
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Pretty good money they got for that, huh? Quite the investment.
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Oh yeah.
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All right, so... I mean, you turned me on to the, what is it, Bazana? I had to look up who Bazana was.
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Yeah, I actually did. And I'm sitting here, right? And I'm watching tape. And it was running back. So I'm on the eighth or ninth running back. And I've got like 20 more guys to do. And then we're texting about that. And I was like, you know what? I'm going to stop down for a minute. I thought I was going to take like 10 minutes and look through and see.
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Then I kind of got into my own little deep dive. All right, so everyone wants to say Shador's got a second-round grade for a lot of teams. I talked to two personnel people at the Combine who were in the 15-minute interviews with Shador Sanders for teams that are drafting in the top 10 that need a quarterback. And I was surprised.
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The information that came out was, and I'll kind of paraphrase or summarize, we got the vibe after meeting with all these other players and all the years of doing this, you can sense how important these meetings are for the individual player when they come in. For Shador, with us, we didn't get the sense that he cared an awful lot about what we thought of him.
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Right. Exactly. And so I'm getting that information. And I look at him as a player who in certain systems, certain situations, he's got a chance to really succeed in the league, but he's not for everybody. He's not a big, strong arm, mobile quarterback. He's none of those things. Right. Right.
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It's the biggest surprise you'll see. And he was talking about, I'm going to run faster than my dad. I'm like, I don't know if you're going to, if you were to run a 40, I don't know if you're going to break like 4'8". Yeah. So you've got all of that. And so now the reports come out from different people in the league. We don't even have a first round grade on them.
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And so I get it because in the teams that are willing to talk are the teams that don't have interest, right? So that's kind of the backdrop. And then you send me some of that stuff. And I had heard that Cleveland's a place that he has interest in. But that's a short list. And there are some teams.
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And I think those teams that I talked to that he didn't have the overwhelming interviews with are the ones that are on the list where Coach Prime's been telling us since, what, October, November, that there's going to be some teams that my son's just not going to go play for. So you start to put all these things together.
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And I just took a minute and I went back and I looked at Kevin Stefanski's history. What has made him successful? What has he been successful with? Well, Case Keenum, he won 11 games with as a coach. Kirk Cousins, he won 10 games with. And a quarterback coach, offensive coordinator, like hands-on with those guys. And so it got me thinking like, The skill sets are the same.
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Not big, not mobile, not elite arms, but process quickly. That's his secret sauce. That's what makes him special. Would you put Flacco in there? Flacco, modern-day Flacco, still has a big arm, but not like, you know, the Baltimore Ravens in his prime, Flacco, and has never been overly mobile.
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The Luka Buzz, NFL Draft Scoops, and a Huge Celtics Sale With Todd McShay and Chris Mannix
So, yeah, so he's winning games with these guys where pocket passers don't have these traits, but they all process quickly. They're accurate passers. That's what Shador is. And so now I'm looking at it, I'm saying, Cleveland is in purgatory salary cap-wise because of the Deshaun Watson deal. So if I'm Andrew Barry,
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1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
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What's happening? It's Todd McShay, and I'm back with a new home and a new show at The Ringer and Spotify, The McShay Show. It's a video and audio podcast coming to you year-round with all my NFL draft information, big boards, mock drafts, and player movement. Plus, I'll be chatting with some of my best friends in football, including some of your favorite football analysts.
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During the week, we'll have episodes on Tuesdays and Thursdays that'll include discussions about my player rankings, who's rising, who's falling, and who your NFL team should be keeping an eye on. Plus, we'll be reacting each week to the college football playoff polls and giving you previews and picks for each Saturday slate.
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In addition, I'll have episodes on Saturday nights with my immediate reaction to the full day in college football every week. So if you love the college game, the NFL, the draft, or all of it like me, make sure to like, follow, subscribe, and get ready for the McShay Show on the Ringer, Spotify, and wherever you watch or listen to podcasts.