Thomas Zimmer

I'm doing well. Thank you so much for having me.

I'm doing well. Thank you so much for having me.

I'm doing well. Thank you so much for having me.

As of yet, still, I guess, right?

As of yet, still, I guess, right?

As of yet, still, I guess, right?

Yeah, I mean, in many ways, I think he's had a fairly normal, if you want to call that, career path as sort of a career operative. He had positions at almost every level inside and around the Republican Party in Washington, D.C. over the course of almost two decades. I think he's in his late 40s now, I believe. And he went from low-level staffer to high-level...

Yeah, I mean, in many ways, I think he's had a fairly normal, if you want to call that, career path as sort of a career operative. He had positions at almost every level inside and around the Republican Party in Washington, D.C. over the course of almost two decades. I think he's in his late 40s now, I believe. And he went from low-level staffer to high-level...

Yeah, I mean, in many ways, I think he's had a fairly normal, if you want to call that, career path as sort of a career operative. He had positions at almost every level inside and around the Republican Party in Washington, D.C. over the course of almost two decades. I think he's in his late 40s now, I believe. And he went from low-level staffer to high-level...

person who is pulling the strings in the background. He was a congressional aide, a part of the think tank and the lobbying machine, a campaigner, and then a member of the Trump administration. I think in terms of where he comes from, people used to see him as a fiscal hawk, that sort

person who is pulling the strings in the background. He was a congressional aide, a part of the think tank and the lobbying machine, a campaigner, and then a member of the Trump administration. I think in terms of where he comes from, people used to see him as a fiscal hawk, that sort

person who is pulling the strings in the background. He was a congressional aide, a part of the think tank and the lobbying machine, a campaigner, and then a member of the Trump administration. I think in terms of where he comes from, people used to see him as a fiscal hawk, that sort

Small government conservative who's looking for ways to, you know, cut the budget and maybe cut departments or whatever.

Small government conservative who's looking for ways to, you know, cut the budget and maybe cut departments or whatever.

Small government conservative who's looking for ways to, you know, cut the budget and maybe cut departments or whatever.

Yeah, no, absolutely. So that's what he was known for. And then to me, he's interesting because he is, I think...

Yeah, no, absolutely. So that's what he was known for. And then to me, he's interesting because he is, I think...

Yeah, no, absolutely. So that's what he was known for. And then to me, he's interesting because he is, I think...

very much emblematic of the trajectory of these kinds of people who very much talked about themselves as small government conservatives to people who now whatever you want to call him now that's not what he's talking about now he now wants to mobilize government and use of the coercive powers of government to impose a certain vision on american society these are the same kinds of circles who when barack obama was thinking about using an executive order called him a tyrant and now

very much emblematic of the trajectory of these kinds of people who very much talked about themselves as small government conservatives to people who now whatever you want to call him now that's not what he's talking about now he now wants to mobilize government and use of the coercive powers of government to impose a certain vision on american society these are the same kinds of circles who when barack obama was thinking about using an executive order called him a tyrant and now