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All right, that's just one point. Eight to two. Why is it two? Eight to two. Oh, eight to two. Right. All right, let's go. All right. Just heat it up.

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Two to one. Can't get a cheap pack of heaters, at least. Jerry Mander. Jerry Mander. Jerry.

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Okay. Now we're making a move. All right. Let me find another word. Go ahead. Oh, God, dude.

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What's the score right now? Nine to four. So he could bet nine. No, I'm only allowed to bet one. Until you catch up.

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Whoa, it sucks.

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Wow, I haven't done that in...

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Consequently. Like consequently, he lost his job.

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Con-sequent-ly or con-sequent-ly? I'm giving you phonetic definitions.

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Decentralization.

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Centralization. I got it. Decentralization.

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All right. All right. So. Five to one. Five to one. It's the last one.

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We're not having turkey. Ham.

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What'd you start with?

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Oh, gosh. Lovers. Big time lover. Yeah. We're lovers. I mean, I'm a hater. My personality type is that I'm kind of a hater. Like, that's just kind of my humor. But I do it out of love. I think if we hated it, we wouldn't be able to do it every day, you know? Yeah. The times that it veers into hate, it gets super uncomfortable and people are like, Jesus, why are you so mad? Yeah.

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Yeah. That's what my therapist says. Yeah, exactly.

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Oh, my God. Love and hate. I mean, both of them. And I think Bethany is—I love Bethany. I love to hate Bethany because she's so obnoxious. But I also have to see what she's given us, you know? And Ramona's the same way. I mean, Ramona, you look at—and especially Ramona's recent history, like her last season of the show. I mean, just monstrous.

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But people got so mad, and I was like, where have you been? What show have you even been watching? Like, have you been watching this with a blindfold on? She's a monster. She's always been a monster, you know? Yeah.

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And look, if you don't put people on a platform, you don't have anything to push them off of.

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Both. God, you're picking such good ones because Kenya's another one who it's like I see everything that she's contributed. And a lot of that is laughs to me. I mean, I've laughed so hard at Kenya over the years. And then she's hit those points where here's where I start the hating. Show up to work. And I feel like a lot of times Kenya is just like, no, I don't like this.

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And she just wouldn't show up or she would be hours late. And she was just like, you're below me. I'm not even going to fight with you. And that's when I start getting like, now you're wasting my time. Because I'm sitting here waiting for you to show up to work and you're not coming. But to think of a season without her is depressing me.

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So I have to understand that I also love her enough that I miss her already.

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Love, love, pure love. I can never hate Karen Huger. So pure.

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Oh, I just love her. I mean, she is so effortlessly delusional. I mean, even her DUI tape. It's like the best thing of the year. Why wasn't that at the Oscars? Like, what is that being nominated for?

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It was amazing. Thomas Jefferson's concubine? I mean, come on. I love her.

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And she was arrested because she was banging somebody in the wrong room. She was so drunk that she went to the wrong room and the door was open or something. And she just started having sex with somebody. So, I mean, these are like great. And I can't be morally outraged by things watching Housewives. You know, you can't mix the two or you'll never watch one.

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Yeah, mine are, I love NeNe Leakes. I mean, no one compares to the amount of gifs that that woman is even still in on every thread about Housewives.

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True, very true. Or not Housewives. It could be about regular news, and you still see NeNe pop up in every comment section. I love her. I think she's fun. I think she had kind of a bad end.

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She got a little too toxic towards the end, but I loved her. I still love Lisa Vanderpump. And it's kind of controversial, but I don't care. I love her. And I love her fun manipulations. And I just loved her. I thought she was great.

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Oh, yeah.

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You'll have fun with that one. Brandi goes completely cuckoo.

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She bottomed for Vanderpump though. Yeah. She played beta for Vanderpump and then she just couldn't take it anymore. And then she went crazy and then she like completely switched it up. Yeah. Which I think is why she's one of the most hated. But Lisa Vanderpump's just effortless person. disdain. But it was always fun. It was like, ugh, shut up. I just really liked her and her fuzzy little dogs.

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And you never knew if that dog was alive or dead. And then it would die, but then she'd show up with another one that looked just like it. There's just something so weird about her that I love.

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Ben loves a snotty housewife. But kind of a housewife's journey and what makes them like great in the end is when they're just so high on themselves and then you just watch life beat them down. And I always say it's like that movie where Robert Redford has to like train horses or whatever. And like he has to break the horse and for the horse to ride.

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Like I grew up in Texas and around horses sometimes. I never really knew about that, like the breaking the horse and how they just have to be brought down until they're finally like a good horse. And I think and I hate comparing, you know, like I'm not comparing women to horses.

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I'm just saying that the idea of like they have to be so wild and crazy and then life just gets them, you know, and life really got Luann. I mean, it got her good. And then she came out stronger for it. And, you know, so. Well, I don't know stronger, but more fine.

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Well, I think it needs that. And I think that they're kind of relying on the old stars of them a little because they're just so crazy and they feel like they can't find anybody like wacky anymore. Like you brought up the new New York a couple of times and that they're like, let's just really try getting people who people identify with. Like, let's get Erin.

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She just wants kids and she doesn't really want to do anything. And that But she likes fashion. You know, people don't want that. They need to find crazy people. I don't care. Walk into any room in the Upper East Side of New York and you'll find a

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freaking crazy yes middle-aged woman it's not like they're hard to come by yeah throw a rock out your window you'll but but for some reason they're kind of trying to switch up their casting where they're like let's get like young people who have a lot of instagram followers we don't care about that we want to watch cartoon characters so i think if they retool it and they have kind of their old school casting in mind then they'll do okay but if they keep trying this real housewives of new york route it's just not gonna work

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Yeah, we like that too, but that's totally different. I mean, Salt Lake City, the Housewives version. It's fun because now that you've watched, you guys have watched kind of the best of the Housewives already. So now you're going to watch, like, the community theater version. It's like they're making it up. They don't know their lines. There's no one there helping them.

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Like, half of their scenes are shot on the side of the road. I'm not even kidding you. They'll, like, pull over into a parking lot and shoot a party. Because no one will let them shoot. They set up Kirkland chairs. They're all, like, completely messed up. And they're just... They're kind of dummies. But... They're just doing it together. It's like an improv team.

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Like, let's do some bad improv, you know? And it's so funny.

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It's so good. It's so corny, and they can't help being corny. And then as it gets into it, they get more real, but they don't mean to, you know? That's a good one.

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Thank you. Thank you, guys. This was so much fun.

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All the Tabletop are outplaying us.

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For Tabletop RPG.

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It's annoying for those individuals.

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And we won't be talking about that here, but that's probably why it's been a light RPG news week, because there's been stuff going on.

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But yeah. It's the theme of the week, isn't it, TJ? Anyway, yeah, Twitch. Talk about Twitch.

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is I mean it doesn't really sit right when like your existence is political it feels bad yeah yeah no I was looking up on this because I do every week as everyone knows again this is Mike she's talking about Baldur's Gate 3 this week so I do a weekly Baldur's Gate 3 live stream with a group of other women who work in the games industry and amongst us we're a group of queer some of us are trans and so when this came up we normally stream on Twitch and we're like oh because sometimes we talk about these things because it's the Baldur's

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gate three cocktail hour with a bunch of girls having a drink so sometimes and i was like are we going to have to label our content as political now because it's generally not like but in terms of the service it counted but they have done an update on it like maybe a backtrack or clarification whatever you want to call it and they have said you don't actually now require a label if you're speaking about your own lived experience on topics

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such as gender, race, sexuality, or religion. They've clarified in terms of politics, you can have informational educational content that shares knowledge in a neutral manner. So for example, they've given the US political situation.

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They said, so you could share the history of how votes in the US works, how the election works, how they're counted, or encourage the concept of people to vote or register and vote. Those things are all okay. But if you're making a post supporting a specific candidate, that would need to be tagged as political content. And the same with sensitive social issues.

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If you were making like if you were like, I'm going to have a political show talking about this particular group's rights and advocacy for them and things, then that would need to be tagged as that content. But if you are just a person existing in any minority group, you don't have to tag it as such is what they've clarified. And there is an article on.

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So they've kind of clarified on it because before it was unclear. But it's important. Yeah. So that's kind of my understanding of the situation currently. So if you, like myself, are a queer Twitch streamer, you don't need to tag yourself as such constantly on every stream you do. It's my understanding.

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I mean, possibly. We were streaming on Wednesday, because that's Wednesday when we streamed. So, yeah, this all kind of came about on Tuesday, and we're like, oh, what are we doing tomorrow, ladies? What's happening here? But yeah, everything's fine, and our streams are still up, so clearly everything's okay. You know? Anyway.

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That's what's going on. That was what the hoo-ha was with Twitch. But Twitch have some support articles going into more detail if you want to read it and check and clarify for yourself.

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No one I know, but PJ, I don't know if you've heard different...

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They can't really say anything.

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Yeah, they're doing late pledges on Kickstarter because Kickstarter has that feature now.

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Quite a few people.

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Nice. In the top 10.

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I imagine it'll do well at retail as well because it feels almost, like you said before, a coffee table pretty good. So if you know a friend really likes Terry Pratchett, and even if you're not a gamer, you might see that and be like, oh, this is a thing my friend might like, you know, or something like that. It feels like a good retail product in that sense.

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They wouldn't need an entire book giving you advice on how to play the game, for example, like other systems might need.

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And today in the Tabletop RPG.

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I haven't picked it up because I know enough people around me are picking it up that I'll get a chance to play.

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I was counting on you were going to run it sometime and I was going to get it to play.

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There you go.

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Apart from the fact that the Monster Smasher 2 is going to be launching next week.

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Maybe we have Paul Hughes on next week to talk about that.

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I think.

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Yeah. I didn't know about a cape.

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So we'll talk about that then, but that is happening.

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No, I can do a better one than that, but I'll save that for another one. That was pretty good. Thank you.

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It depends when they're listening to it.

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It could be tomorrow or in the past from the listener's perspective.

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It is, yes. It's all in the Jeremy Beremy of it all.

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Should we talk about the Dungeon Master's Guide? Yes, yeah. It's a bit of a dry segue, but it's efficient.

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I met David Attenborough.

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Listen to the last episode Mike was on if you'd like to hear more about that.

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I ran an event for him and not just for him. It wasn't like his, but anyway, it was for the Wildlife Trust and he came in and saw me and it went very good. And either he was hitting on me or he was happy with the event. Either way, I'm delighted. So that's my, and that's one of my claim to fame.

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Do they have to be my friends? Can they not just be acquaintances?

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Oh.

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No, I don't know. I haven't vetted them.

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Oh, no, no. Wrong way around. Anyway.

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I don't know if you guys know what it's like to be a woman in the world, but that is not the right attitude to strangers. Anyway, so let's actually talk about the Dungeon Masters, guys. We've been talking about it a lot because we've seen so many previews and so much stuff, but I've not actually read through the book and had a copy.

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So what are your thoughts as somebody who actually has got their copy?

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What more do you want, Russ? Have you got better than a very good friend?

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This was like 15 years ago.

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This was about 15 years ago.

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Do you know what? Still spry.

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I'm fine, DJ. What do you got for us?

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I thought my anecdote was great, but yeah, fine.

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Yeah. Or they want new people to have that expectation.

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Right.

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I mean, that's definitely how I learned as well. Like I joined a role-playing club and that's when I started playing. But notice I played for about a decade before I even attempted to start running games. But I think actually there's a lot of people that do. If they're not part of an RPG community at all and it's a bunch of like four friends that's like, I want to start trying this.

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I know a lot of people that someone's just been tagged it to run a game and has had to figure it out. So I think there are some people that actually... There you go. Eleven?

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But I do think there are some people that come to it still now, which seems strange because there's so much media and there is like actual plays and you've got references on like Stranger Things where people can like see and like... But I think there are some people that just are a group of friends like, I don't know, we'll figure this out.

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And for some Dungeon Masters, that book will actually be their first introduction and... guide that feels a bit twisted like that, but that'll be their main guide. How do I do this? How do I figure this out?

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Yeah, I think that's a really good point. I think maybe all of us have been at a table with a GM who has their world and their story and someone tries to add to it. They're like, oh, well, I want my person to be from here. And let's say that they had this culture where this happened and the GM was like, no, I don't want that. It's like, oh, and that immediately makes the table vibe be like,

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I had a friend come to that conclusion. They were writing a role-playing game and they're like, oh man, but it's just, I don't, I just want to like control and do this myself. And it's like, I realized I want to write a book.

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Right. So not legally, not legally.

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Yeah, absolutely. The area games as well, if that setting doesn't suit you, they use the system for a variety of different settings. It's kind of, it reminded me a bit of a toolbox of RPG because they've used it for every setting you can kind of think of where you could easily hack your own with it. And also they were, we've had Ed on the Not D&D show where we talked about the game for 40 minutes.

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So if that brief intro was interesting to you, then there's a whole episode of Not D&D talking about the game specifically. So if you want to hear more about it.

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Yes. How about that? How about that? Yeah, that's awesome. But the Kickstarter's live now, did you say?

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Excellent.

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I was. What a good segue. So, yes, the piece of news we have this week. So, Blades in the Dark has an official expansion. So, obviously, Blades in the Dark is the RPG, and loads of people have done third-party stuff, so you can find loads of games using this system. But this is an official one by the creator, John Harper. So, it adds new factions. It's got new mechanics.

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It's got background options. So, it's a setting and also system expansion. But, yeah, I think this is the first...

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one john's done for the setting she says yes oh yes it's the first official one it's the first official one yeah cool i thought so i just felt underconfident for a moment but yeah so so that is going to be coming out and when is that when is that is that out now or is it she says not being clear about that it's not something i know let me look now i think it is out now on itch yes you can just get it you can just get on it yeah it cost me ten dollars i just bought it

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me jessica from em publishing that was that was quite a nice intro thank you very much but i am not alone pj you have someone else to introduce very true and in the words of the late great benny mays

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Oh, great. There we go. So yeah, I was just checking in with that now.

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Yeah, you can also get the complete bundle. But I did get a fine new product. Yeah, you can get up on that. And then I'm sure at some point it'll be available as a physical book as well if you like those sorts of things as well. But yeah, at the moment that is available. And if you like Blazing the Dark, it's more of what you like. And for $10, you can't really complain about that.

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It was a written online thing. We had a look at what was currently there in the 2014 one, I think.

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Yeah, and your own system, what's old is new, is in the D6 dice ball system.

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Yeah, calm down. All right. Well, let's move on from another piece of news then. If you don't want to talk about D6 dice ball systems, what else do you want to talk about?

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Okay.

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I can see us jumping into next week's topic. Shall we save some of these?

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Shall I call time on this week's topic? Because we're here talking about the DMG. I feel that we've done that.

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And we know we've got plenty we want to talk about next week.

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Thanks a lot, everyone.

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Sounds pun-tastic.

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It's Christmas.

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Yeah. All right. Well then, Critical Role Christmas then.

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Yeah, but this is when it starts, isn't it?

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Did you?

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I mean, sometimes we need a budget for these things.

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Okay. Do you have any other news, PJ, to maybe move us on?

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Yeah, take a look. Is it an RPG?

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full price is seven dollars and it's on sale right now so yeah it's pretty cheap i mean it's like it's like an rpg stocking for that there we go yeah actually that does sound like a nice something to get your gm as a little present or something yeah so it's like a you build a mine and it's almost like a bit of world building stuff and then i guess you could use it in your rpg it's like a solo game

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All right, let's quickly mention the Monstrous Menagerie 2. Already too late.

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I need them to exist.

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Yeah.

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All right, that's a cool little dwarf find. I like that.

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Shall we pitter in some maybe not as exciting news of the Apple Patreon situation?

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Everyone else in the podcast now is like, oh, really? Okay, let's do that.

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Columbia College in Chicago.

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You know what? It was never part of the plan. It was part of God's plan. It wasn't part of mine. I always wanted to be behind the scenes. I wanted to write television. Obviously, A Different World had a huge impact on me, Home and Grab Productions. I remember watching that show and just knowing I really wanted to be a television writer.

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That's what a different world and Cosby show. That's what those shows really meant for me. I was like, I want to write TV. Never really had the performance bug, but I've always been a ham. I mean, my mom would call me a ham when I was a young kid. But I think that's because I watched so much television.

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You do the thing that you do is like you sort of watching TV and you repeat it back and you can, you kind of say lines, you know, obviously with some shows like Martin, you know, I always tell Martin Lawrence, I was like, man, I get my personality from you, you know, like get the step in and like, you know, like, you know, like get Like, was I?

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You know, like, watching him on Def Comedy Jam, like, just how he would, like, vibe and stuff like that. Definitely picked up on things like that. And so when I went into... Okay, so the acting thing, first of all, I got to give credit to Allison Jones, a phenomenal cast and director. Okay. who saw something I had written and asked to meet with me. And so I went in and sat with her.

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And I sat down with her and we just had a conversation. We just talked. And I was talking about many different TV shows that I liked. And maybe I mentioned Maud or something and Rhoda and all this stuff. And she was sort of, I think, a little like, OK. And then she was like, have you ever thought about acting? And I was like, no, I have not.

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Lisa Kudrow, Michael Patrick King. I watched that first season and became obsessed. I was like, what is this? Who is this? Who is Valerie Cherish? What is this? And so I was one of those people that had the DVD and listened to the commentary. And then because people were so obsessed, 10 years later, they did a season two.

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So I go in, and it's just taped. And then she's like, okay, Michael Patrick King's directing this episode. He'll look at it. I was like, oh, Michael Patrick King wrote Sex and the City and is an icon? She was like, yeah, he's directing, and he'll look at the tape and see. He picked me. I come in. I play a journalist that's giving value shares a hard time.

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And I even asked him if I could kind of adjust the line. He was like, yeah, yeah, that sounds better. I said, okay. Now he and I, our parking spots are next to each other.

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But yeah, that was the beginning. And then I got a call about this Untitled Aziz Ansari project, and they really want to go in. And I went and sat down with Aziz and Alan Yang and just talked to him. Because Aziz was like, I don't want to just audition people. He's like, I want to meet people first. Yeah. And if they cool, you know. That's very British of him, yeah. Yeah, exactly.

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So I went to his house, met with him. And it felt like a writer meeting because I was used to TV writer meetings. Sure. And I was just myself. I had just fallen in love. I was like telling that story and just talking shit. And then I got like, okay, he wants you to audition. And I was like, okay. So I go in and I read with him.

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I loved him.

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And so, and it was really like, and Michael Schur was a producer on it, but it was really, it was almost like Michael Schur said, okay, I'm gonna let these kids go do their own thing. And yeah, I just went to New York and started doing that. And then when it came out and people started watching it, that was really the beginning. And so that's really how the acting career sort of began.

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So the first movie, look. Sterling. Okay. My first movie ever. Uh-huh. is because of Steven Spielberg. Steven Spielberg cast me in Ready Player One. That's her first fucking movie. Oh, I'm sorry.

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That's because you sold a distinguished gentleman. You have to be an Oscar nominee. Come on.

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You know, you can't be doing AT&T commercials. We out here is different.

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And that's it.

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It's like, because we got to work together, every time me and Chrissy see each other, you would feel like we went to camp together. It's just like... I love that. It was just such a fun day. It was a very emotional scene, obviously, as people know.

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And I just love seeing her out in the world and just giving her hugs and being like, hey, what's up? Good to see you.

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I have got two pups. I got two dogs. You do? Okay. I do. Caleb and Gigi. I felt it in the scene. I was like, she loves dogs.

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They're not here with me right now. They're in Los Angeles. I'm in London. We miss them. But we know people that we get the pictures sent and video sent to us when we're away. That's the kind of party it is because you miss the pups when you're gone. But you got to travel. You don't want to schlep them everywhere all the time. And I had a dog, I think, at the time where I was about to get a dog.

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So it was just exciting to be on set with like,

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Okay. My people would kill me if I didn't plug my own podcast.

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Call it a podcast. Come on. I don't even think of it as a podcast, but it is technically a podcast. It's called Legacy Talk with Lena Waithe.

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And we've dropped two episodes so far. But basically the concept is really conversations, is dialogue. This has been a lovely dialogue and conversation, which I love. But I, you know, people were trying to get me to do it. And I was like, well, what's the intention? You know, what are we doing? And they were like, well, you can talk to who you want to talk to.

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And I was like, okay, why don't I talk to Black women who have legacies that have impacted mine?

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And they were like, okay, cool. And so we got six episodes so far. We want to continue to do them, so stay tuned. But the first episode was with Sheryl Lee Ralph. Yes. Who was an icon, amazing, the original Dream Girl, our original Dina. And we sat down and had a lovely conversation. That episode is out right now. It's such a wonderful listen. I had such a wonderful time talking to her.

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And the second episode that came out was with Gina Prince-Bythewood. And her name may not be super familiar to some, but she's behind some of your famous... favorite movies, like Love and Basketball. She did Woman King. She did The Old Guard that was on Netflix with Charlize Theron. She's a phenomenal writer-director. Secret Life of Bees, which was the first thing I worked on.

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But I used to be her assistant back in the day. I was her assistant for like two years.

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Boom. Yo, that's all I could ever want is to be a part of her legacy. So that episode is out. And then coming up next is Mara Brock-Akeel.

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Who created Girlfriends, The Game, and Being Mary Jane. I was an assistant on Girlfriends in its last season. Were you really? And Mara's the reason she got me that job working for Gina. She's like, you need an assistant? You should get Lena. And that's how that journey began. And then after Mara, we got Jada Pinkett-Smith. Cool. Okay. Comes to sit down. Pretty cool.

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You turned the red table around. Okay. Look, look. You know, her legacy had a huge impact on me. Growing up watching Menace to Society. Obviously, she was on A Different World. A Lowdown Dirty Shame. You know, seeing her in Matrix. She did a voice in Madagascar as a hippo. That's right. She's had such a wonderful career. And so we talk about that. And then Jennifer Lewis. Oh, Lord.

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Help help raise me. Oh, Lord. Like my mother.

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Before she was, you know, you know, and she we talk about her glorious career as well, which sounds like what's love got to do with it? And she was also on a different world as Dean Dorothy Dandridge Davenport. You're on my list.

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you know um and uh and obviously returning a really wonderful uh voice performance and uh princess and the frog yeah um and so and then and last but not least uh debbie allen wow who is my north star and she's a lot of people oh everybody everybody she gets mentioned in all these interviews so she's last she's the finale um as she should be uh and so basically i was also a big fan of a show called inside the actor studio oh yeah you see

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to come on Bravo. And I learned a lot watching that show because even though I, it's funny because I did not have aspirations of being an actor, but because I had aspirations of being a writer, I was really curious to hear from actors what they were looking for in scripts.

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And so that way, oftentimes, you know, James Lipton would often ask some of the greats, like, what are you looking for when you're trying to pick a project? So my, you know, I'm like 16, 17 watching it. Thinking like, okay, I want to write something that a great actor would want to do or want to play. That's a big reason why I always tell people like Daniel Kaluuya cast himself in Queen of Slim.

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He read the script and emailed me and said, I am slim. I am slim.

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And I was like, okay. And it really, like the fact that Daniel was like, he read it before Melina Masoukas. He was like, I want to be in this movie. And I was like, all right, okay. I did not see you as slim, but now I can't stop thinking about you as slim. I remember I called Melina. I was like, yo, Daniel Kaluuya hit me and said he's slim.

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And she was like, I don't, I don't, I don't think, I don't know. I was like, just meet with him. And she did. And it's on the trifecta. So that came from me watching Inside the Actor's Studio and just wanting to, and also Reggie Rock Bythewood said, make sure you write characters that actors can't wait to play. even if it's like a small two-liner or something like that.

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Make an actor like, I don't want to do that two lines. So anyway, I say this to say, I was watching this at the Action Studio, and when James Lipton never picked a successor, people would always say, what happens when you die? He's like, so does the show. And I would always feel depressed about that because I was like, we need somebody to sit and talk to

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just performers and actors that have done really great things and get a sense of it. And so I don't talk to these people about their personal lives, any of that. I'm asking Shirley Roth, what was, what was the audition process like for dream girls?

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You know, asking Jada Pinkett Smith, how much of peaches was on the page and how much of it was you? Yeah. You know, and so, and asking Jennifer Lewis, how do you play the mother of Tina Turner in a way that you do? Because it's such a complicated woman.

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Yeah, they were very close in age. But, you know, and I'm just asking Jennifer, like, Like, how do you, how do you, how do you even step into that role? Like, how do you do that? You're, you know, but also then like in Poetic Justice, she plays Tupac's mom and she's only in it for like a scene, but she's so phenomenal. She's so amazing. And I got to ask, like, what was it like working with Tupac?

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Like, what was that? And so, and a lot of times, like even Jada, like it's all career stuff. It's all like, talking about Jason's lyric, talking about the inkwell, you know? And so it was just, that's what these conversations are. And I think people may not know what to expect coming into them. Because we're not just talking about, oh, talking about where did you get inspired?

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When did you want to be an actor? No, we really are talking about process. And we're talking about where they were in their lives when they were doing certain projects and how that impacted their performances. So I hope people check out Legacy Talk with Lena Waithe. I think it's really fantastic. And also, I've written my first play. And I'm just going to, I think, step into the theater space.

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What's the play, homie? What's the play? Okay. I'm not going to tell you the title of it, but it's a three-hander. Okay. And it's about, you know, just love. And it's a bit of a love triangle, but it's something that I'm really trying to play with form, and I'm going to be in it. So it's my first time, except when I'm talking about my actions. I mean, like, I am so scared and freaked out, but...

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Theater actors are a different kind of situation. And so I've been in film, I've been in TV.

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And I love both, but I've never been on a stage and had to say everything. And so I'm just, but that's the pool I'm jumping into next is theater.

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You're a force.

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Truly, in every way. I grew up on your music. Don't get me going, okay? I remember when music videos was a thing and we was watching your music videos.

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And I appreciate you for being an ally. I saw you out there campaigning and trying to help get this thing going. You're very much appreciated on the front lines.

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We got to make sure we showing love for folks that are showing up. So it's much appreciated because we can't get ahead without linking arms with each other. You've seen the march on Washington. Go back and look at that footage. It's all of us. And that's what this is us to me represented. That's what it continues to represent. is that we really are family.

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We're in this together. Truly.

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I am play. What's the play called? I'll let you know. I'll let you know what it's called. We'll get it together. But yeah, man, we did a reading in Baltimore. We're going to do a reading in January. So stay tuned.