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Yeah, that was just his whole mindset because... You know, as we look at it today, he had a big engine, a big brand behind him that he's always had to protect.

Yeah, that was just his whole mindset because... You know, as we look at it today, he had a big engine, a big brand behind him that he's always had to protect.

I don't think he really ran it. I think he's just led by example. If you don't speak it, then you know that that's not an area, that's a gray area that he doesn't want to talk about. And obviously, if any politician, anyone wants him to donate or do anything publicly, then he's never going to get involved with that.

I don't think he really ran it. I think he's just led by example. If you don't speak it, then you know that that's not an area, that's a gray area that he doesn't want to talk about. And obviously, if any politician, anyone wants him to donate or do anything publicly, then he's never going to get involved with that.

Yes, it did because, like I said, In the 90s, we didn't have social media, so we didn't have a way to turn fans off, especially from a political standpoint. We didn't have a way to encourage them from a political standpoint. We just had basketball, and it was a lot easier to focus on our craft and our job and grow from that.

Yes, it did because, like I said, In the 90s, we didn't have social media, so we didn't have a way to turn fans off, especially from a political standpoint. We didn't have a way to encourage them from a political standpoint. We just had basketball, and it was a lot easier to focus on our craft and our job and grow from that.

We didn't have a lot of the distractions that players have now with social media. We had a lot of newspapers. There were more magazines and things printing stories. But, you know, it takes weeks, days, months for those kind of stories to get out. Or social media, it's every day. It's 24-7. It's every 30 minutes, every minute something's jumping off.

We didn't have a lot of the distractions that players have now with social media. We had a lot of newspapers. There were more magazines and things printing stories. But, you know, it takes weeks, days, months for those kind of stories to get out. Or social media, it's every day. It's 24-7. It's every 30 minutes, every minute something's jumping off.

Yeah, I mean, hey, it would have been different. Definitely, you know, with looking at these numbers, you don't know how, you know, being a player that played in the 90s, how these numbers come about and, you know, what they really mean because we didn't grow up in this social media era. But definitely... you know who you're talking about.

Yeah, I mean, hey, it would have been different. Definitely, you know, with looking at these numbers, you don't know how, you know, being a player that played in the 90s, how these numbers come about and, you know, what they really mean because we didn't grow up in this social media era. But definitely... you know who you're talking about.

You know that he's one of the greatest players, greatest athletes in the world. And 647 million speaks for itself.

You know that he's one of the greatest players, greatest athletes in the world. And 647 million speaks for itself.

I think he would have probably doubled that, I'm going to be honest. Seriously? Yeah, I would say. Because basketball in the 90s, when it first jumped off and, you know, Having social media back then would have just been amazing.

I think he would have probably doubled that, I'm going to be honest. Seriously? Yeah, I would say. Because basketball in the 90s, when it first jumped off and, you know, Having social media back then would have just been amazing.

I remember in 1987 when I was drafted, that's when the NBA signed an international deal with China where games were now being shown all over the world pretty much, definitely all over China. So the game was growing then. At that point, Michael was four or five years already into the game. So I'm just speaking.

I remember in 1987 when I was drafted, that's when the NBA signed an international deal with China where games were now being shown all over the world pretty much, definitely all over China. So the game was growing then. At that point, Michael was four or five years already into the game. So I'm just speaking.

I don't know.

I don't know.

when I started in the league, that, yeah, the growth of what I've seen in basketball, I've traveled all over the world from Italy, Germany, early 90s, late 80s, really talking about basketball, growing basketball, talking about the Olympics, and lo and behold, 1992, we're playing in the Olympics, and now, you know, 30 years later, there's nothing but NBA players playing in the Olympics now.

when I started in the league, that, yeah, the growth of what I've seen in basketball, I've traveled all over the world from Italy, Germany, early 90s, late 80s, really talking about basketball, growing basketball, talking about the Olympics, and lo and behold, 1992, we're playing in the Olympics, and now, you know, 30 years later, there's nothing but NBA players playing in the Olympics now.

You want individual accolades or you want championships? Because I didn't chase mine.

You want individual accolades or you want championships? Because I didn't chase mine.

Things have changed, and players all around the world has definitely gained more confidence, more interest in playing in the NBA.

Things have changed, and players all around the world has definitely gained more confidence, more interest in playing in the NBA.

No, I never seen neither of them at the games.

No, I never seen neither of them at the games.

Neither one of them? No. Interesting. Being Barack was a Chicago guy, he probably watched from a suite or something from that standpoint if he came to the game, but I've never met him at a game.

Neither one of them? No. Interesting. Being Barack was a Chicago guy, he probably watched from a suite or something from that standpoint if he came to the game, but I've never met him at a game.

He's a New York guy.

He's a New York guy.

I stayed at a lot of Trump hotels back in my playing days. You stayed out of Trump hotels? No, we stayed at a lot of them.

I stayed at a lot of Trump hotels back in my playing days. You stayed out of Trump hotels? No, we stayed at a lot of them.

Yeah, it's kind of hard to find something real.

Yeah, it's kind of hard to find something real.

I was more or less focused on the game, but there were times when, you know, the Reverend Jesse Jackson, who I'd never met, you know, playing in Chicago, would show up and be courtside, Oprah Winfrey. That's right, Chicago. Yeah, so back in the day, Gene Sisko, who was a very close friend of mine, some movie critic, who I'm... He passed away, God rest his soul.

I was more or less focused on the game, but there were times when, you know, the Reverend Jesse Jackson, who I'd never met, you know, playing in Chicago, would show up and be courtside, Oprah Winfrey. That's right, Chicago. Yeah, so back in the day, Gene Sisko, who was a very close friend of mine, some movie critic, who I'm... He passed away, God rest his soul.

But I was never a guy that really focused on who was watching me play. I didn't care who was in the stands. I've always been a player that focused on the game, my team, the success, and how do we win. That's it. I don't care who's coming to watch.

But I was never a guy that really focused on who was watching me play. I didn't care who was in the stands. I've always been a player that focused on the game, my team, the success, and how do we win. That's it. I don't care who's coming to watch.

I think I had Prince. Well, I can't say. I think Prince came to a game down in Minnesota.

I think I had Prince. Well, I can't say. I think Prince came to a game down in Minnesota.

Prince did?

Prince did?

Yeah, when we played the Timberwolves. I've never seen Michael at a game.

Yeah, when we played the Timberwolves. I've never seen Michael at a game.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, you know, if you look at that, I was one of the youngest guys on that team beyond Leitner. But, you know, it was just one of those practices where, you know, guys just talking trash. Guys were excited to, you know, be in the gym for one and practicing. And, you know, Magic was one of those guys that, you know,

Well, you know, if you look at that, I was one of the youngest guys on that team beyond Leitner. But, you know, it was just one of those practices where, you know, guys just talking trash. Guys were excited to, you know, be in the gym for one and practicing. And, you know, Magic was one of those guys that, you know,

He wanted to rah-rah and get everybody together, but also, hey, we're here to work. And so Magic made it a little more competitive and started kind of poking a little bit at Michael, letting him know, you know, I've been away and you've got a championship, but hey, I'm still Magic, da-da-da. And so it's just... Kind of got a little bit heated. Nothing in a bad way.

He wanted to rah-rah and get everybody together, but also, hey, we're here to work. And so Magic made it a little more competitive and started kind of poking a little bit at Michael, letting him know, you know, I've been away and you've got a championship, but hey, I'm still Magic, da-da-da. And so it's just... Kind of got a little bit heated. Nothing in a bad way.

Just one of those days where, you know, Michael put more energy on the basketball court than he did on the golf course. But, yeah, he came out and, you know, was talking trash. And every day after practice, we would go back to the rooms and play cards and just kind of sit around and talk and smoke cigars and things.

Just one of those days where, you know, Michael put more energy on the basketball court than he did on the golf course. But, yeah, he came out and, you know, was talking trash. And every day after practice, we would go back to the rooms and play cards and just kind of sit around and talk and smoke cigars and things.

You know, it's just not one thing. Just being around guys who you looked at, who you idolized and always wondered, you know, what make them tick, what make them go, what pushes them, what their daily workout is like, what do they do every day, and just kind of being in their surroundings. And I'm talking to everybody from Larry Bird, who was – at the end of his career, as well as Magic.

You know, it's just not one thing. Just being around guys who you looked at, who you idolized and always wondered, you know, what make them tick, what make them go, what pushes them, what their daily workout is like, what do they do every day, and just kind of being in their surroundings. And I'm talking to everybody from Larry Bird, who was – at the end of his career, as well as Magic.

Yeah, but just kind of being around those guys and finally getting to know them. Not having to feel like it's a day where I got to guard Larry Bird. It's a competitive moment. But having the opportunity to bond with them, to have breakfast with them, to meet their families, just to see what their lives are like away from the game. Just having the opportunity to say, I'm a friend of Larry Bird.

Yeah, but just kind of being around those guys and finally getting to know them. Not having to feel like it's a day where I got to guard Larry Bird. It's a competitive moment. But having the opportunity to bond with them, to have breakfast with them, to meet their families, just to see what their lives are like away from the game. Just having the opportunity to say, I'm a friend of Larry Bird.

That's better than me going through my whole career and saying, hey, I played against Bird five times, you know, and yeah, he was tough. But that opportunity to kind of break bread, to bond, it kind of opened up a different door for us, I guess, in the NBA world, because we've never had that opportunity to really come together. It was always about

That's better than me going through my whole career and saying, hey, I played against Bird five times, you know, and yeah, he was tough. But that opportunity to kind of break bread, to bond, it kind of opened up a different door for us, I guess, in the NBA world, because we've never had that opportunity to really come together. It was always about

competing you know you look at the bulls and the pistons and there was never a opportunity for us to ever just come together and break bread and say hey we had some great competitive years man and this and that just to talk basketball but

competing you know you look at the bulls and the pistons and there was never a opportunity for us to ever just come together and break bread and say hey we had some great competitive years man and this and that just to talk basketball but

that moment to get all those players together and you, you build more respect for people to, you know, just after that, I mean, I had opportunity, we played against Carl Malone and John Stockton twice after that, you know? So not only am I competing with them, you know, for, uh, uh, NBA championship, but, I just won two gold medals with these two dudes.

that moment to get all those players together and you, you build more respect for people to, you know, just after that, I mean, I had opportunity, we played against Carl Malone and John Stockton twice after that, you know? So not only am I competing with them, you know, for, uh, uh, NBA championship, but, I just won two gold medals with these two dudes.

So this is competitive, but it means something to both of us that we've gotten back to the finals.

So this is competitive, but it means something to both of us that we've gotten back to the finals.

Well, you definitely get a chance to see their work ethics away from the game because we definitely spent time together. But it gave me a chance to really bond with some guys that I probably thought I never would. I bonded with Carl Malone. I bonded with Patrick Ewan. We would work out together. So I got a chance to see what it's like working with these guys, not just on the court, but

Well, you definitely get a chance to see their work ethics away from the game because we definitely spent time together. But it gave me a chance to really bond with some guys that I probably thought I never would. I bonded with Carl Malone. I bonded with Patrick Ewan. We would work out together. So I got a chance to see what it's like working with these guys, not just on the court, but

off the court, but have an opportunity to go do extra stuff on the basketball court to learn kind of what their extra work includes. What do they work on? What are their weaknesses? Who are you impressed by? Well, I was very impressed with Karl Malone in the weight room. He is a beast.

off the court, but have an opportunity to go do extra stuff on the basketball court to learn kind of what their extra work includes. What do they work on? What are their weaknesses? Who are you impressed by? Well, I was very impressed with Karl Malone in the weight room. He is a beast.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, he is just a beast. I mean, he stays in the gym four hours and just works until you can't pick up a cup of coffee.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, he is just a beast. I mean, he stays in the gym four hours and just works until you can't pick up a cup of coffee.

I would say someone who really focuses on their diet probably was more like someone like Chris Mullin.

I would say someone who really focuses on their diet probably was more like someone like Chris Mullin.

chris mullen yeah really yeah he was uh and i don't i'm just talking about conditioning like this guy him and patrick uh they were just so focused on their conditioning every day every day but who talked the most shit who was like poking non-stop like outside of michael i'm assuming michael was non-stop but who else was like out of control talking smack

chris mullen yeah really yeah he was uh and i don't i'm just talking about conditioning like this guy him and patrick uh they were just so focused on their conditioning every day every day but who talked the most shit who was like poking non-stop like outside of michael i'm assuming michael was non-stop but who else was like out of control talking smack

I mean, you got Charles Barkley who's doing that all the time. And then everyone going to always throw up on him. Well, you don't have a championship. And then that's what he's, you have to like tuck his tail between his butt and walk away. But at that time, we still had a lot of basketball left in our career. So Charles always had the comeback line that I'm going to get mine.

I mean, you got Charles Barkley who's doing that all the time. And then everyone going to always throw up on him. Well, you don't have a championship. And then that's what he's, you have to like tuck his tail between his butt and walk away. But at that time, we still had a lot of basketball left in our career. So Charles always had the comeback line that I'm going to get mine.

No.

No.

I would say in certain situations, but in Charles Barkley's situation, I would say no. I would say no, because he won two gold medals. He helped globalize basketball all over the world.

I would say in certain situations, but in Charles Barkley's situation, I would say no. I would say no, because he won two gold medals. He helped globalize basketball all over the world.

He didn't have to play in but one NBA finals and he didn't win, but everybody knows Charles Barkley because of his personality, because of him working on TNT, but really because he was a heck of a basketball player. Um, He was a great player. And he probably deserved to win a title. Ran into Michael in the Bulls. But Charles was a heck of a player.

He didn't have to play in but one NBA finals and he didn't win, but everybody knows Charles Barkley because of his personality, because of him working on TNT, but really because he was a heck of a basketball player. Um, He was a great player. And he probably deserved to win a title. Ran into Michael in the Bulls. But Charles was a heck of a player.

And he's had a great career as an analyst as well.

And he's had a great career as an analyst as well.

Yeah, I mean, his numbers are based on his scoring and his assists.

Yeah, I mean, his numbers are based on his scoring and his assists.

You're having 20 points and 10, 11, 12, 13 assists, and that's 30 points.

You're having 20 points and 10, 11, 12, 13 assists, and that's 30 points.

You know, when that happened, that had nothing to do with the Dream Team. That was in 91. That was our first title. So – I don't even think I was on the Dream Team at that time. The Dream Team stuff came up in 92, or right as that season was starting to get underway.

You know, when that happened, that had nothing to do with the Dream Team. That was in 91. That was our first title. So – I don't even think I was on the Dream Team at that time. The Dream Team stuff came up in 92, or right as that season was starting to get underway.

You guys had the coach that... I think it was a known fact that he wasn't on the team. I can't say why he wasn't on the team. I can't even point out, best say that any individual put him off the team. You know, basketball is a game built on relationships. And...

You guys had the coach that... I think it was a known fact that he wasn't on the team. I can't say why he wasn't on the team. I can't even point out, best say that any individual put him off the team. You know, basketball is a game built on relationships. And...

That team was put together based on relationships, players that they felt could get along, players that they felt could play together, and players that they felt like could contribute in a way to win a gold medal. And... You know what? Dominique Wilkins was left off of that team.

That team was put together based on relationships, players that they felt could get along, players that they felt could play together, and players that they felt like could contribute in a way to win a gold medal. And... You know what? Dominique Wilkins was left off of that team.

And I personally feel as bad as anyone to see a guy who I idolized, who I looked up to, who I guarded, who I defended numerous amount of times not be a part of that team. But

And I personally feel as bad as anyone to see a guy who I idolized, who I looked up to, who I guarded, who I defended numerous amount of times not be a part of that team. But

I will not let you say that because I don't think that would be fair. David Stern has nothing to do with USA Basketball.

I will not let you say that because I don't think that would be fair. David Stern has nothing to do with USA Basketball.

Did you ever think you would make it? I feel I'm supposed to take sweet victory. I know this life, man.

Did you ever think you would make it? I feel I'm supposed to take sweet victory. I know this life, man.

I will correct you on that one. No. He gave them the nod. that they could use NBA players. But I don't think when it comes to picking the team, selecting the players.

I will correct you on that one. No. He gave them the nod. that they could use NBA players. But I don't think when it comes to picking the team, selecting the players.

Well, it's the people at USA Basketball.

Well, it's the people at USA Basketball.

So you're going to have to do your research.

So you're going to have to do your research.

C.M. Newton.

C.M. Newton.

What is it, AI answering this now?

What is it, AI answering this now?

I don't know. I would have to say there's probably some respect there. Got it. But yeah, that's the guy that put the team together. When people say Michael did this or they didn't put him on the team because of the Bulls, whatever, CM Newton was a fan of the game, just like you were. He saw the bad blood between the Bulls and Pistons. So how can he put or mix oil and water together.

I don't know. I would have to say there's probably some respect there. Got it. But yeah, that's the guy that put the team together. When people say Michael did this or they didn't put him on the team because of the Bulls, whatever, CM Newton was a fan of the game, just like you were. He saw the bad blood between the Bulls and Pistons. So how can he put or mix oil and water together.

I think it's just me believing in myself and the way that I played the game that I did it the right way. I did it where I won. I played the right way. My teammates loved the way that I played. And people, my peers, respected the way that I played. And I feel like that I got out of the game everything that I put into it. I was a guy that... I was a walk-on, you know.

I think it's just me believing in myself and the way that I played the game that I did it the right way. I did it where I won. I played the right way. My teammates loved the way that I played. And people, my peers, respected the way that I played. And I feel like that I got out of the game everything that I put into it. I was a guy that... I was a walk-on, you know.

I was a guy that went to three camps just to get drafted and end up being the fifth pick. So I feel like the work that I put in over 15, 20 years, you know, before and during my professional career, that I played the game the right way, that I played it where – I showed younger players how to be successful and how to enjoy the game.

I was a guy that went to three camps just to get drafted and end up being the fifth pick. So I feel like the work that I put in over 15, 20 years, you know, before and during my professional career, that I played the game the right way, that I played it where – I showed younger players how to be successful and how to enjoy the game.

You gave credit to somebody else. Well, you gave me the credit of having the best voice in associations.

You gave credit to somebody else. Well, you gave me the credit of having the best voice in associations.

I showed men, women who is not as athletic how to play the game and to play it the right way and to play it from a team standpoint.

I showed men, women who is not as athletic how to play the game and to play it the right way and to play it from a team standpoint.

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No, that's, you know, the reason why I say stuff like that is because when you play the game the way that I played it, you play on both ends. Why can't I say that?

No, that's, you know, the reason why I say stuff like that is because when you play the game the way that I played it, you play on both ends. Why can't I say that?

And say it and mean it. Oh, so you do believe that. I'm saying, yeah. Look at the stats. I got six rings too. Look at my accolades. I got defensive player, all NBA. So playing the game the right way and winning means something to me. And it meant a lot to me. I don't have the MVPs, but guess what? Somebody that was with me got it.

And say it and mean it. Oh, so you do believe that. I'm saying, yeah. Look at the stats. I got six rings too. Look at my accolades. I got defensive player, all NBA. So playing the game the right way and winning means something to me. And it meant a lot to me. I don't have the MVPs, but guess what? Somebody that was with me got it.

Would you say... I didn't have the final MVP, but hey, we won the championship. I get that, but that could be to say... Well, here is my thing is, to me, before the 90s, before the 90s, I had never in my life heard anything about a goat in basketball.

Would you say... I didn't have the final MVP, but hey, we won the championship. I get that, but that could be to say... Well, here is my thing is, to me, before the 90s, before the 90s, I had never in my life heard anything about a goat in basketball.

Interesting. Really?

Interesting. Really?

Never. I had never heard anyone say, who's the greatest player in the NBA? Scottie. Before the 90s. Who was that guy then? If you had heard that, who was that guy? And why is he not being mentioned today?

Never. I had never heard anyone say, who's the greatest player in the NBA? Scottie. Before the 90s. Who was that guy then? If you had heard that, who was that guy? And why is he not being mentioned today?

Let me just go back a little farther. Please. Let's go back to the 80s. Before the 80s. Let's go in the mid-80s. Who was the GOAT?

Let me just go back a little farther. Please. Let's go back to the 80s. Before the 80s. Let's go in the mid-80s. Who was the GOAT?

So why is he not mentioned now? Why is he not? I don't even hear about him now.

So why is he not mentioned now? Why is he not? I don't even hear about him now.

So what's the credentials to be that guy?

So what's the credentials to be that guy?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't think it exists in team sports. I don't think it exists in team sports.

I don't think it exists in team sports. I don't think it exists in team sports.

Here's my punch back at that. Did Barry Bonds ever strike anybody out? No. So what did he do on the other side of the field to make him the greatest?

Here's my punch back at that. Did Barry Bonds ever strike anybody out? No. So what did he do on the other side of the field to make him the greatest?

In today's era, player, I'll take Wim Biemma. The young player with San Antonio.

In today's era, player, I'll take Wim Biemma. The young player with San Antonio.

Well, you're saying now, so I got to look at this era and say, hey, this kid, yo, he's got one year.

Well, you're saying now, so I got to look at this era and say, hey, this kid, yo, he's got one year.

Well, you asked me this era. That's why I asked you.

Well, you asked me this era. That's why I asked you.

Which era are you asking me to pick from?

Which era are you asking me to pick from?

Do all time. Then I'm going to pick my era. Okay. I'm going to pick the team that won six titles.

Do all time. Then I'm going to pick my era. Okay. I'm going to pick the team that won six titles.

I'm going to pick Dennis or Horace Grant, whichever.

I'm going to pick Dennis or Horace Grant, whichever.

Don't matter. Give me any better. I'll take you.

Don't matter. Give me any better. I'll take you.

We did it for three years. Twice. No, I did it with Horst the first time. But, yeah, me and Michael did it for six.

We did it for three years. Twice. No, I did it with Horst the first time. But, yeah, me and Michael did it for six.

I'm picking the greatest team against anybody.

I'm picking the greatest team against anybody.

I'm speaking from a team standpoint.

I'm speaking from a team standpoint.

As a team standpoint.

As a team standpoint.

My success as a team is more successful than LeBron. I got six rings.

My success as a team is more successful than LeBron. I got six rings.

You want individual accolades or you want championships? Because I didn't chase mines.

You want individual accolades or you want championships? Because I didn't chase mines.

I would say, if you want to say it that way, but again, team sports to me, there's no goat. There's great teams. But as an individual, you got to go to individual sports.

I would say, if you want to say it that way, but again, team sports to me, there's no goat. There's great teams. But as an individual, you got to go to individual sports.

I looked at this arrow, but if you asked me to pick a team, NBA, then I'm going to pick my era and my team. That's the most dominant. Team that's played in the game. There's no team that's done what the Bulls done.

I looked at this arrow, but if you asked me to pick a team, NBA, then I'm going to pick my era and my team. That's the most dominant. Team that's played in the game. There's no team that's done what the Bulls done.

Well, he's older than me, so he would have been in the game. You're so funny. Scotty, I am really trying to figure. You want me to pick myself?

Well, he's older than me, so he would have been in the game. You're so funny. Scotty, I am really trying to figure. You want me to pick myself?

Probably Michael.

Probably Michael.

So, okay. I would probably still say Michael would do better because. Remember, Michael era, my era, early on, very physical, 85, 90-point games. That's right. Different. That's right. In today's game, we're looking at some games that'll get to 130, 140. Insane.

So, okay. I would probably still say Michael would do better because. Remember, Michael era, my era, early on, very physical, 85, 90-point games. That's right. Different. That's right. In today's game, we're looking at some games that'll get to 130, 140. Insane.

Boring.

Boring.

And so I think Michael would have strived off of just being free, open. Right. Not having the physicality that he had to play with it night in and night out.

And so I think Michael would have strived off of just being free, open. Right. Not having the physicality that he had to play with it night in and night out.

would he dominate it? I didn't play in the 70s, but I got to imagine that the game was even just as physical as it was in the 80s.

would he dominate it? I didn't play in the 70s, but I got to imagine that the game was even just as physical as it was in the 80s.

Yeah, and... I mean, I think he would have had success in the era, but the game has changed tremendously. And from the ball handling to the steps that the players take. So, you know, when you ask me that and how successful would he have been in the 70s? I don't know how the officiating would have officiated him.

Yeah, and... I mean, I think he would have had success in the era, but the game has changed tremendously. And from the ball handling to the steps that the players take. So, you know, when you ask me that and how successful would he have been in the 70s? I don't know how the officiating would have officiated him.

But I see a lot of changes in the game when I watch it. And I'm sure you, it's probably... What turns you off is that players are now allowed to take three steps going to the basket, you know? And so you're wondering, you're like, wow, that's not a traveling. But it's not.

But I see a lot of changes in the game when I watch it. And I'm sure you, it's probably... What turns you off is that players are now allowed to take three steps going to the basket, you know? And so you're wondering, you're like, wow, that's not a traveling. But it's not.

Give me that $100 million. Seriously. I got a gold medal ring without Michael, so that did mean a lot. But, yeah. Definitely would have loved to play.

Give me that $100 million. Seriously. I got a gold medal ring without Michael, so that did mean a lot. But, yeah. Definitely would have loved to play.

In this era.

In this era.

Oh, I would have taken that $100 million.

Oh, I would have taken that $100 million.

I don't know. Maybe I'll take the ring.

I don't know. Maybe I'll take the ring.

It matters to be known as the best. It matters to be the best. It pays to be at the top.

It matters to be known as the best. It matters to be the best. It pays to be at the top.

Trust me, I was the one he was giving all those numbers to.

Trust me, I was the one he was giving all those numbers to.

30.7.

30.7.

I still get my six.

I still get my six.

Maybe he may be somewhere with LeBron, two, three, somewhere.

Maybe he may be somewhere with LeBron, two, three, somewhere.

Oh, LeBron got, I thought he had five.

Oh, LeBron got, I thought he had five.

I don't know. I would say, I don't know. I feel like I'm going to get my six.

I don't know. I would say, I don't know. I feel like I'm going to get my six.

You're still getting your six. Yeah, they can't stop me. Who's going to stop me then?

You're still getting your six. Yeah, they can't stop me. Who's going to stop me then?

Well, I feel like that the game changed. It became more of a perimeter shooter game, if I could say that. And I think back – and I remember right when I was leaving the game early 2000 that – The league promoted more scoring. They wanted to get more points up on the board. They felt like that would get the fans more engaged.

Well, I feel like that the game changed. It became more of a perimeter shooter game, if I could say that. And I think back – and I remember right when I was leaving the game early 2000 that – The league promoted more scoring. They wanted to get more points up on the board. They felt like that would get the fans more engaged.

I don't know. I think me and Drexler might get him. Stop it. I don't know if Michael would be able to keep his thumb on top of Charles. Really? Yeah, I don't know if he can hold Charles down.

I don't know. I think me and Drexler might get him. Stop it. I don't know if Michael would be able to keep his thumb on top of Charles. Really? Yeah, I don't know if he can hold Charles down.

Yes, for a season to win a championship.

Yes, for a season to win a championship.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I may give them the edge. You may give him the edge. Yeah, Carl's a tough matchup.

I may give them the edge. You may give him the edge. Yeah, Carl's a tough matchup.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Right around the pandemic.

Right around the pandemic.

No, I think we ended up speaking briefly.

No, I think we ended up speaking briefly.

Yeah, I guess. Good and final.

Yeah, I guess. Good and final.

I don't want to pick because of who. It's just good and final.

I don't want to pick because of who. It's just good and final.

I don't know what kind of dream you'd be having.

I don't know what kind of dream you'd be having.

I don't know. That's a tough one. I don't spend that much time in Florida, so I would probably say maybe highly likely maybe Charles.

I don't know. That's a tough one. I don't spend that much time in Florida, so I would probably say maybe highly likely maybe Charles.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Wow. I don't know. I mean, I just think that Michael is a very difficult person to deal with. I played with him for years, so I know that, you know, when it's time for you to move in your direction, then go in your direction. Don't. don't sit there and try to procrastinate or stretch it that the relationship is not where it was or not what it used to be. And it's never going to be the same.

Wow. I don't know. I mean, I just think that Michael is a very difficult person to deal with. I played with him for years, so I know that, you know, when it's time for you to move in your direction, then go in your direction. Don't. don't sit there and try to procrastinate or stretch it that the relationship is not where it was or not what it used to be. And it's never going to be the same.

Okay, I got it. So at that point, to me, it started looking more like a game built for offensive players, guys that did play defense and took pride in playing defense. were to some degree punished, I felt like, because everything was working in favor of the offensive player.

Okay, I got it. So at that point, to me, it started looking more like a game built for offensive players, guys that did play defense and took pride in playing defense. were to some degree punished, I felt like, because everything was working in favor of the offensive player.

So why try and make something out of nothing or try to make something that was never there? So, uh, yeah. Um, Great teammate, but we just never were great friends.

So why try and make something out of nothing or try to make something that was never there? So, uh, yeah. Um, Great teammate, but we just never were great friends.

I mean, we may have like a pregame meal or something like that, but it's always a big party of people.

I mean, we may have like a pregame meal or something like that, but it's always a big party of people.

No.

No.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I never shot basketball there. I actually would go over in the morning when Grover was training. We would train together. Scotty, can you get the mic a little bit closer? I'm sorry. I was actually – I would train with Michael, I guess, the last three championships that we won. We trained together at his house. But other than that, we didn't really – put a lot of time away from basketball.

I never shot basketball there. I actually would go over in the morning when Grover was training. We would train together. Scotty, can you get the mic a little bit closer? I'm sorry. I was actually – I would train with Michael, I guess, the last three championships that we won. We trained together at his house. But other than that, we didn't really – put a lot of time away from basketball.

And then they put the circle in there where a guy is not allowed to take a charge at certain points in the lane, at a certain position in the lane. So I think what a... a lot of things changing within the game. And a lot of it was for the good, looking at the physicality of the game as to where it was in the 90s. But I think a lot of that got wiped away.

And then they put the circle in there where a guy is not allowed to take a charge at certain points in the lane, at a certain position in the lane. So I think what a... a lot of things changing within the game. And a lot of it was for the good, looking at the physicality of the game as to where it was in the 90s. But I think a lot of that got wiped away.

Most of our time was spent, you know, whether we were working out or on the practice floor.

Most of our time was spent, you know, whether we were working out or on the practice floor.

Are you a decent golfer? I think a little bit of both. I'm decent, but I didn't really care for the game much when I played.

Are you a decent golfer? I think a little bit of both. I'm decent, but I didn't really care for the game much when I played.

I don't know about that one, but if you say so.

I don't know about that one, but if you say so.

Yeah. I mean, there were times when guys that were brought in that kind of bonded with Michael, Sam Vinson, Darrell Walker, but those were veteran players that had been around. Him probably previously, probably from college, but as far as players that he played with in the 90s, he didn't really bond with players on that team.

Yeah. I mean, there were times when guys that were brought in that kind of bonded with Michael, Sam Vinson, Darrell Walker, but those were veteran players that had been around. Him probably previously, probably from college, but as far as players that he played with in the 90s, he didn't really bond with players on that team.

Oakley wasn't on that team.

Oakley wasn't on that team.

Yeah, that's the story that was told, but I don't know where that relationship is today.

Yeah, that's the story that was told, but I don't know where that relationship is today.

I don't know. You got Charles Barkley. While they played. I don't know.

I don't know. You got Charles Barkley. While they played. I don't know.

And I think that's where a lot of the fans lost interest. in the game.

And I think that's where a lot of the fans lost interest. in the game.

Probably, I don't know, probably six, seven.

Probably, I don't know, probably six, seven.

The Kool Coach episode?

The Kool Coach episode?

Yeah, something like that.

Yeah, something like that.

Yeah, I didn't want to see it. My kids got turned off on it, so it's kind of turned me off. So I didn't have any interest to watch it anymore.

Yeah, I didn't want to see it. My kids got turned off on it, so it's kind of turned me off. So I didn't have any interest to watch it anymore.

Oh, yeah. Well, I will say he, Michael, he was built different. Competitive 24-7. Not too many people are built like that. I agree. Willing to compete at any level and at anything. So when you look at these players in today's era, being LeBron, there's really no comparison. When you talk about the level of competitiveness, Michael bunched up.

Oh, yeah. Well, I will say he, Michael, he was built different. Competitive 24-7. Not too many people are built like that. I agree. Willing to compete at any level and at anything. So when you look at these players in today's era, being LeBron, there's really no comparison. When you talk about the level of competitiveness, Michael bunched up.

all of his competitiveness and sort of exposed it out to the world within 12 to 14 years. We saw his whole resume, his competitiveness, his drive, his will to win, what he's want to do. When someone like LeBron has to spread that out for 20 plus years, it's not the same drive. It's not the same fight. It's not the same hunger.

all of his competitiveness and sort of exposed it out to the world within 12 to 14 years. We saw his whole resume, his competitiveness, his drive, his will to win, what he's want to do. When someone like LeBron has to spread that out for 20 plus years, it's not the same drive. It's not the same fight. It's not the same hunger.

And so when people try to make those comparisons of those two players, it's like talking to someone in the front seat, in the back seat. They ain't even in the same lane.

And so when people try to make those comparisons of those two players, it's like talking to someone in the front seat, in the back seat. They ain't even in the same lane.

It's not even worth talking about when you ask who's better, LeBron or Michael. You can't ask me who's the goat between LeBron and Michael. Neither one of them are goats. They both won differently. You can't put them at the top of the pinnacle. Magic Johnson, to me, is a bigger goat than anybody because of how he led, how he brought a whole team together.

It's not even worth talking about when you ask who's better, LeBron or Michael. You can't ask me who's the goat between LeBron and Michael. Neither one of them are goats. They both won differently. You can't put them at the top of the pinnacle. Magic Johnson, to me, is a bigger goat than anybody because of how he led, how he brought a whole team together.

How when the greatest scorer in the game, Kareem, was not there, and him as a rookie steps in and plays a position that no one even knew he could play. That's transcending what you can do as a player.

How when the greatest scorer in the game, Kareem, was not there, and him as a rookie steps in and plays a position that no one even knew he could play. That's transcending what you can do as a player.

I think for me, when I... LeBron got lanes every night. When we played, there were no lanes. Wasn't nothing but hardwood floor. If you go to the basket, you're going to hit the wood. There's no comparison. There's... The basketball in the late 80s until the early 90s, physical, hard nose, no layups, earn it from the free throw line. Today's game, it's about three-point shooting.

I think for me, when I... LeBron got lanes every night. When we played, there were no lanes. Wasn't nothing but hardwood floor. If you go to the basket, you're going to hit the wood. There's no comparison. There's... The basketball in the late 80s until the early 90s, physical, hard nose, no layups, earn it from the free throw line. Today's game, it's about three-point shooting.

It's about driving it to the basket, finishing. Did you hear me say earn it at the free throw line? That doesn't even exist in today's game. It's just about shooting the ball, shooting the ball.

It's about driving it to the basket, finishing. Did you hear me say earn it at the free throw line? That doesn't even exist in today's game. It's just about shooting the ball, shooting the ball.

Well, I'm going to be honest that my options weren't that great. Really? Because of the way that the CBA was set up.

Well, I'm going to be honest that my options weren't that great. Really? Because of the way that the CBA was set up.

Well, I had Phoenix, but it was for less money.

Well, I had Phoenix, but it was for less money.

Got it.

Got it.

I think Philadelphia. Didn't want to go play in a cold climate.

I think Philadelphia. Didn't want to go play in a cold climate.

I showed no interest. I definitely wanted to be in a warm climate. And I saw Houston as an opportunity for me really to play with two veteran guys and that we could, you know, make something happen real quick. And it was the lockout season, but it was definitely a short-lived. In fact, Charles started out working out with me, and he was all dedicated in working out me and him with Grover.

I showed no interest. I definitely wanted to be in a warm climate. And I saw Houston as an opportunity for me really to play with two veteran guys and that we could, you know, make something happen real quick. And it was the lockout season, but it was definitely a short-lived. In fact, Charles started out working out with me, and he was all dedicated in working out me and him with Grover.

I took Grover down there, and he lasted about a month. Was it because, what, it's just a little too much with Grover? He's... No, it wasn't too much for Grover. It was too much for him.

I took Grover down there, and he lasted about a month. Was it because, what, it's just a little too much with Grover? He's... No, it wasn't too much for Grover. It was too much for him.

To go with Grover, it's a little too much for Charles. Well, yeah, he wanted to enjoy his nightlife, and our workouts were predicated on getting up in the morning and training before practice.

To go with Grover, it's a little too much for Charles. Well, yeah, he wanted to enjoy his nightlife, and our workouts were predicated on getting up in the morning and training before practice.

Well, can I give them both to Michael? I mean, I can't knock him and say he was a bad teammate. I can't knock him and say he wasn't my favorite. I mean, we had a lot of success. So I would say he probably fit both of those categories.

Well, can I give them both to Michael? I mean, I can't knock him and say he was a bad teammate. I can't knock him and say he wasn't my favorite. I mean, we had a lot of success. So I would say he probably fit both of those categories.

Scotty, you're interesting, buddy. I got to tell you. Who's your second favorite?

Scotty, you're interesting, buddy. I got to tell you. Who's your second favorite?

I mean. I love playing with Horace Grant. I love playing with Dennis. And I would probably say... Horace was probably my favorite at first because we got drafted together. We went to the Bulls together. We won our first three championships together, but he ended up leaving. So the bond with Michael became better and just on the court, really, not off the court.

I mean. I love playing with Horace Grant. I love playing with Dennis. And I would probably say... Horace was probably my favorite at first because we got drafted together. We went to the Bulls together. We won our first three championships together, but he ended up leaving. So the bond with Michael became better and just on the court, really, not off the court.

What's the cat's story? I've got to hear this one.

What's the cat's story? I've got to hear this one.

Scotty, be honest here because this cat's. That was like a horse grit sort of I'm skipping practice kind of.

Scotty, be honest here because this cat's. That was like a horse grit sort of I'm skipping practice kind of.

Well, Horace Grant would always skip practice.

Well, Horace Grant would always skip practice.

Because Cat got sick.

Because Cat got sick.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No.

No.

It was actually like a joke, but because, you know, NBA players, if you call in and say you're sick, the team can't do nothing but take your word, right? So Horst would always, not always, but he'll call in occasionally and say he was sick. And so we had this older coach, Coach Johnny Bach. He was our defensive coach. So he always would say, well, his cat got sick.

It was actually like a joke, but because, you know, NBA players, if you call in and say you're sick, the team can't do nothing but take your word, right? So Horst would always, not always, but he'll call in occasionally and say he was sick. And so we had this older coach, Coach Johnny Bach. He was our defensive coach. So he always would say, well, his cat got sick.

No, I don't see it happening. I don't know how much longer he's going to be on the court. I mean, I think that the organization has bent over backwards to – maintain some professionalism to the fact that this kid is not even on the court. He's not even working to be a professional basketball player.

No, I don't see it happening. I don't know how much longer he's going to be on the court. I mean, I think that the organization has bent over backwards to – maintain some professionalism to the fact that this kid is not even on the court. He's not even working to be a professional basketball player.

It's almost like when you watch him, you're seeing a kid sitting on a college bench and still hasn't found what's going to be fruitful for him in life, whether it's his diet, putting the right people around you, getting yourself ready, staying healthy. I don't know what to say about his career thus far because all indication shows me that

It's almost like when you watch him, you're seeing a kid sitting on a college bench and still hasn't found what's going to be fruitful for him in life, whether it's his diet, putting the right people around you, getting yourself ready, staying healthy. I don't know what to say about his career thus far because all indication shows me that

If there's a lockout, if there's any injuries major to him, it's going to take him out.

If there's a lockout, if there's any injuries major to him, it's going to take him out.

He hasn't shown that he's disciplined enough to take care of himself physically yet. Is he savable? Oh, he's definitely savable. There's a lot of GMs out there watching and hoping that New Orleans sort of dropped the ball. I mean, there's organizations out there would love to embrace this kid and really get him

He hasn't shown that he's disciplined enough to take care of himself physically yet. Is he savable? Oh, he's definitely savable. There's a lot of GMs out there watching and hoping that New Orleans sort of dropped the ball. I mean, there's organizations out there would love to embrace this kid and really get him

To where he can be a great NBA player because I think putting him in a position where he is sort of a veteran. I mean, I look where the kid that went to Duke is the oldest player on their team. Well, he's probably three or four years older than Zion. So veteran leadership around this kid may help him.

To where he can be a great NBA player because I think putting him in a position where he is sort of a veteran. I mean, I look where the kid that went to Duke is the oldest player on their team. Well, he's probably three or four years older than Zion. So veteran leadership around this kid may help him.

and to help jumpstart his career in a sense that it's just as important for him off the court to work on himself as it is on the court.

and to help jumpstart his career in a sense that it's just as important for him off the court to work on himself as it is on the court.

Either going to make him or break him.

Either going to make him or break him.

But I like Pat Riley. in the Miami Heat organization.

But I like Pat Riley. in the Miami Heat organization.

I don't know who said that about Pat, but I did see where he kind of took the blame and pointed it back at himself and said, maybe I am, but... Oh, Paul Pierce it was.

I don't know who said that about Pat, but I did see where he kind of took the blame and pointed it back at himself and said, maybe I am, but... Oh, Paul Pierce it was.

Well, I don't want to say it the way Paul Pierce said it, but it's been known for many years that the Miami Heat does exactly what Paul Pierce said.

Well, I don't want to say it the way Paul Pierce said it, but it's been known for many years that the Miami Heat does exactly what Paul Pierce said.

Well, they left.

Well, they left.

Yeah, well, when you're young, you can work for Pat Riley. But as you get older, like a Jimmy Butler, his system will break you down.

Yeah, well, when you're young, you can work for Pat Riley. But as you get older, like a Jimmy Butler, his system will break you down.

Yeah, but I think you have to look at the game differently from a whole perspective. What do you mean by that? These players ain't about winning championships no more. They're about running a business. Got it. Okay. So Jimmy Butler knows that his body is his business. And if you want to continue to use my service, then take care of my business.

Yeah, but I think you have to look at the game differently from a whole perspective. What do you mean by that? These players ain't about winning championships no more. They're about running a business. Got it. Okay. So Jimmy Butler knows that his body is his business. And if you want to continue to use my service, then take care of my business.

I felt like David Stern era, he ran the game. I think Adam Silver's era, he's more or less allowing the players to have some input in terms of how the rules of the game are changing.

I felt like David Stern era, he ran the game. I think Adam Silver's era, he's more or less allowing the players to have some input in terms of how the rules of the game are changing.

I hate to say that the fans have to see it that way. Yeah. But the players got to maximize what they can get in such a small window.

I hate to say that the fans have to see it that way. Yeah. But the players got to maximize what they can get in such a small window.

Well, I mean... In all fairness, I'm always been on the player's side.

Well, I mean... In all fairness, I'm always been on the player's side.

I definitely think that, you know, from a player's standpoint, I've been in this situation. I've been in the game that you got to maximize your value. you're not going to stay that valuable forever. So Jimmy Butler value is up right now in two to three years or whatever. It may not be up. So I respect him speaking.

I definitely think that, you know, from a player's standpoint, I've been in this situation. I've been in the game that you got to maximize your value. you're not going to stay that valuable forever. So Jimmy Butler value is up right now in two to three years or whatever. It may not be up. So I respect him speaking.

Yeah, I said Paul Reilly's the way they do it. But I also say it. Young. He's going to make him or break him.

Yeah, I said Paul Reilly's the way they do it. But I also say it. Young. He's going to make him or break him.

No, but there's not going to be that. type of management in the game much longer. Unfortunately. Because players now have a lot more balance. They have a lot more rights in the game in terms of... not playing with injuries, not playing back-to-backs.

No, but there's not going to be that. type of management in the game much longer. Unfortunately. Because players now have a lot more balance. They have a lot more rights in the game in terms of... not playing with injuries, not playing back-to-backs.

That was the Olympics.

That was the Olympics.

Well, it looks like it's pretty bad right now. Oh, interesting. But I think... From a standpoint of players being healthy, those are some precautionary measures that they've taken in the game where players don't like to play back-to-back. So I think it's a lot of things. I definitely feel like the three-point shot has turned fans away from the game because it's just no –

Well, it looks like it's pretty bad right now. Oh, interesting. But I think... From a standpoint of players being healthy, those are some precautionary measures that they've taken in the game where players don't like to play back-to-back. So I think it's a lot of things. I definitely feel like the three-point shot has turned fans away from the game because it's just no –

That was the Olympics, though.

That was the Olympics, though.

So you think that's what hurt the game?

So you think that's what hurt the game?

Kind of back to what you were talking about, being detached from the regular people, being detached from the fans and the effect it's had.

Kind of back to what you were talking about, being detached from the regular people, being detached from the fans and the effect it's had.

Oh, I fucking love him.

Oh, I fucking love him.

Play this clip, Rob?

Play this clip, Rob?

What do you think? I, I, that's true fact. I mean, um, Fans are students of the game as well. They're not just fans, you know. They know the game. And so you're seeing players over there that you worked hard all week to earn money and to bring your family out for a family evening, and now they got sitting over there in sweats. That's not even a team uniform. Yeah. It's like, really?

What do you think? I, I, that's true fact. I mean, um, Fans are students of the game as well. They're not just fans, you know. They know the game. And so you're seeing players over there that you worked hard all week to earn money and to bring your family out for a family evening, and now they got sitting over there in sweats. That's not even a team uniform. Yeah. It's like, really?

Is this what I save my 800 bucks for? To come see this guy stand on the sideline? Yeah. So, yeah, he's truly right. I mean, but that's the direction of where the game is. You cannot make players play. And to be honest... This will continue to go on.

Is this what I save my 800 bucks for? To come see this guy stand on the sideline? Yeah. So, yeah, he's truly right. I mean, but that's the direction of where the game is. You cannot make players play. And to be honest... This will continue to go on.

And owners can't say shit.

And owners can't say shit.

And you're going to pay me for 82.

And you're going to pay me for 82.

So is that 48% viewership being down, not hurting them?

So is that 48% viewership being down, not hurting them?

No teamwork in shooting a three-point shot. There's no teamwork in coming down and taking a shot from behind the three-point line. But there's teamwork in coming down and executing a play. Everybody touches the ball, and you get a bucket out of it, whether it's a two or a three. But... is something that drew fans, drew people to love the game, to love certain teams that played a certain way.

No teamwork in shooting a three-point shot. There's no teamwork in coming down and taking a shot from behind the three-point line. But there's teamwork in coming down and executing a play. Everybody touches the ball, and you get a bucket out of it, whether it's a two or a three. But... is something that drew fans, drew people to love the game, to love certain teams that played a certain way.

the players are a lot more sensitive in a sense that they don't want any reaction with the fans. They don't want the fans having any type of camaraderie with them at all. They always feel that fans are a threat and they have sort of, to me, they have separated themself. It's the players and it's the fans.

the players are a lot more sensitive in a sense that they don't want any reaction with the fans. They don't want the fans having any type of camaraderie with them at all. They always feel that fans are a threat and they have sort of, to me, they have separated themself. It's the players and it's the fans.

And if you say something to me, it better be fucking nice or I'm gonna have you removed from the arena.

And if you say something to me, it better be fucking nice or I'm gonna have you removed from the arena.

How do you feel about that?

How do you feel about that?

I think it's bad. I think it's bad that players cannot take criticism. I used to love going in the stands and having people... Called me out of my name.

I think it's bad. I think it's bad that players cannot take criticism. I used to love going in the stands and having people... Called me out of my name.

Spike, yeah. Yeah, so I embrace the fans being a part of, you know, getting at me, you know, trying to aggravate me. Now, I don't see that. Whose fault is that?

Spike, yeah. Yeah, so I embrace the fans being a part of, you know, getting at me, you know, trying to aggravate me. Now, I don't see that. Whose fault is that?

I can't say where that comes from, but I can say that the game misses that. They miss that irritating fan. They miss that heckler. that was irritating you and caused you to miss your free throws. Those are things that were a part of a game when I played.

I can't say where that comes from, but I can say that the game misses that. They miss that irritating fan. They miss that heckler. that was irritating you and caused you to miss your free throws. Those are things that were a part of a game when I played.

Do you remember that? I don't remember Vernon, but Vernon was one of the toughest guys. He's a very close friend of mine. And yeah, he was a tough guy. But I mean... That was a lot of guys played in the league and that, you know... I'm talking like street tough, like tough, tough. Yeah, I mean, but street tough can't go up in the stands. You know what I'm saying? I agree.

Do you remember that? I don't remember Vernon, but Vernon was one of the toughest guys. He's a very close friend of mine. And yeah, he was a tough guy. But I mean... That was a lot of guys played in the league and that, you know... I'm talking like street tough, like tough, tough. Yeah, I mean, but street tough can't go up in the stands. You know what I'm saying? I agree.

We still have to be professional. I fully agree. You know, but there are guys who've gotten out of order and out of hand, but, you know, the commissioner has always been able to take care of that and keep things in order. But I think now... the fans are so afraid that they can't even call a player out in any bad way that is looked at as a threat.

We still have to be professional. I fully agree. You know, but there are guys who've gotten out of order and out of hand, but, you know, the commissioner has always been able to take care of that and keep things in order. But I think now... the fans are so afraid that they can't even call a player out in any bad way that is looked at as a threat.

Yeah, I guess Oak could say he's one of the tough guys, but you know what? That era of guys kind of faded in the 90s, you know? The Oakleys, the Buck Williams, you know, Buddha, James Edward, who I played with. You know, guys that would just give hard fouls. Those were guys that were considered tough guys, guys that when you came in the lane... You're going to have to earn it.

Yeah, I guess Oak could say he's one of the tough guys, but you know what? That era of guys kind of faded in the 90s, you know? The Oakleys, the Buck Williams, you know, Buddha, James Edward, who I played with. You know, guys that would just give hard fouls. Those were guys that were considered tough guys, guys that when you came in the lane... You're going to have to earn it.

You know, the reason why I say stuff like that is because when you play the game the way that I played it, why can't I say that?

You know, the reason why I say stuff like that is because when you play the game the way that I played it, why can't I say that?

Are you a New York Knicks fan? No, I'm just kidding. Who were you going to say? No, I'm just kidding. No, I – Listen, if you said Knicks, there's three names I think about.

Are you a New York Knicks fan? No, I'm just kidding. Who were you going to say? No, I'm just kidding. No, I – Listen, if you said Knicks, there's three names I think about.

No, they were all tough. Okay. They were all tough guys, but – New York thought that they were the toughest team on the block back in the 90s. That's in the early 90s.

No, they were all tough. Okay. They were all tough guys, but – New York thought that they were the toughest team on the block back in the 90s. That's in the early 90s.

And I don't think you see that in today's game. I feel like the last team that played with that kind of chemistry was the Golden State Warriors. They had sort of a team chemistry where they moved the ball, but it was about a lot of jump shooting, a lot of three-point shooters, but they had the greatest shooters ever. in the history of the game.

And I don't think you see that in today's game. I feel like the last team that played with that kind of chemistry was the Golden State Warriors. They had sort of a team chemistry where they moved the ball, but it was about a lot of jump shooting, a lot of three-point shooters, but they had the greatest shooters ever. in the history of the game.

Oh, you didn't see the one with Steve? I must have mispracticed that day. You're joking right now, right? Is that what you... It's like the code of keeping... No, my cat was sick.

Oh, you didn't see the one with Steve? I must have mispracticed that day. You're joking right now, right? Is that what you... It's like the code of keeping... No, my cat was sick.

Yeah, I do think he's going to go down as one of the great ones. I mean, from a statistical standpoint, it's just like I said, when I saw LeBron come in the game, these guys are going to dominate the game statistically because of how the rules have been being changed. Like, I mean... This guy can shoot a three-pointer whenever he get ready. It's ridiculous. That's the crazy part about it.

Yeah, I do think he's going to go down as one of the great ones. I mean, from a statistical standpoint, it's just like I said, when I saw LeBron come in the game, these guys are going to dominate the game statistically because of how the rules have been being changed. Like, I mean... This guy can shoot a three-pointer whenever he get ready. It's ridiculous. That's the crazy part about it.

It's like you can't even contest his shot. We think that Steph Curry got the freedom to dribble and shoot the ball, but now you're talking about a guy that's 7'6", and with unbelievable range, just watching him all the night, step across half court, pull up a three. What was that all about?

It's like you can't even contest his shot. We think that Steph Curry got the freedom to dribble and shoot the ball, but now you're talking about a guy that's 7'6", and with unbelievable range, just watching him all the night, step across half court, pull up a three. What was that all about?

You know, that's what we're going to be seeing in the next 10 years of the game is a lot more shooting from a lot bigger guys.

You know, that's what we're going to be seeing in the next 10 years of the game is a lot more shooting from a lot bigger guys.

I don't expect that record to be broken.

I don't expect that record to be broken.

So for sure you don't think anyone... Because I think Hakeem may have got it because of steals. And blocks. Okay, yeah. I don't see Wimby getting the steals.

So for sure you don't think anyone... Because I think Hakeem may have got it because of steals. And blocks. Okay, yeah. I don't see Wimby getting the steals.

I don't see him getting it. Like Hakeem, if you look at the stats, he's probably the top 10 in steals throughout the league. So it wasn't an accident that he got a quadruple-double.

I don't see him getting it. Like Hakeem, if you look at the stats, he's probably the top 10 in steals throughout the league. So it wasn't an accident that he got a quadruple-double.

He was this tough, physical guy, had great hands. You couldn't put the ball around him. He was so good with his feet, his hands. So having those soccer skills, he always was at the ball and had great hands in terms of how to knock it away.

He was this tough, physical guy, had great hands. You couldn't put the ball around him. He was so good with his feet, his hands. So having those soccer skills, he always was at the ball and had great hands in terms of how to knock it away.

And they had the greatest shooters in the game at that time. So it was a great sight to really see a great team executing, playing together, and shooting the three-point shot. Well, in today's game as we watch it, we don't see that great team chemistry of – a team that has been doing this and have longevity of success. So it makes it hard for you to lock in and like what you're seeing.

And they had the greatest shooters in the game at that time. So it was a great sight to really see a great team executing, playing together, and shooting the three-point shot. Well, in today's game as we watch it, we don't see that great team chemistry of – a team that has been doing this and have longevity of success. So it makes it hard for you to lock in and like what you're seeing.

Do you collect cards?

Do you collect cards?

No, I don't collect cards. But I think for that to happen today, because I think. Isn't the court bigger than what it was when Wilt scored 100? Oh, I wouldn't know. Because I don't think it was the three-point shots.

No, I don't collect cards. But I think for that to happen today, because I think. Isn't the court bigger than what it was when Wilt scored 100? Oh, I wouldn't know. Because I don't think it was the three-point shots.

But I think that Wimby would be the guy if it could happen because of his size. He can shorten up the court. His size, his range.

But I think that Wimby would be the guy if it could happen because of his size. He can shorten up the court. His size, his range.

It was all of the Magic and Michael.

It was all of the Magic and Michael.

Tell me why. I would think that would make you more of a Laker fan, but you're not a guy that is sort of jumping on the bandwagon to win a championship. You believe in the journey and how you become a real Laker.

Tell me why. I would think that would make you more of a Laker fan, but you're not a guy that is sort of jumping on the bandwagon to win a championship. You believe in the journey and how you become a real Laker.

Well, I said I had a dream. But after speaking to my good friend, Michael Saylor, he said we don't talk about Satoshi. He said we don't talk about Satoshi. So learning from my mentor, I'm going to take what he said as some good advice.

Well, I said I had a dream. But after speaking to my good friend, Michael Saylor, he said we don't talk about Satoshi. He said we don't talk about Satoshi. So learning from my mentor, I'm going to take what he said as some good advice.

Your mentor's worth around $10 billion today. Yes. He's doing okay for himself. He's doing great.

Your mentor's worth around $10 billion today. Yes. He's doing okay for himself. He's doing great.

No, I didn't make it down for New Year's Eve, but I was planning to come down for the boat party, but it kept getting postponed.

No, I didn't make it down for New Year's Eve, but I was planning to come down for the boat party, but it kept getting postponed.

Say it and mean it. Oh, so you do believe that. I'm saying, yeah. Look at the stats. I got six rings too. Look at my accolades. I got defensive player, all NBA, sold. Playing the game the right way and winning means something to me.

Say it and mean it. Oh, so you do believe that. I'm saying, yeah. Look at the stats. I got six rings too. Look at my accolades. I got defensive player, all NBA, sold. Playing the game the right way and winning means something to me.

I would definitely say that's fair, but I would give a lot of the credit to Michael Jordan because of the, the fact that he had created something with the Chicago Bulls and that myself and other guys that came along, we built up on that. And it became, in the late 90s when we got Dennis Rodman on the team, that we were, or people looked at us as a rock band. And when we came to different cities,

I would definitely say that's fair, but I would give a lot of the credit to Michael Jordan because of the, the fact that he had created something with the Chicago Bulls and that myself and other guys that came along, we built up on that. And it became, in the late 90s when we got Dennis Rodman on the team, that we were, or people looked at us as a rock band. And when we came to different cities,

We had that kind of feeling that, you know, we had to put on a show. We had to perform. And that's why when you look at those teams, especially my bull teams back there, there were no days off, you know. Guys came to play where they were injured, sick, no matter what, because we felt like that we had to perform and that there were people coming out to watch us perform.

We had that kind of feeling that, you know, we had to put on a show. We had to perform. And that's why when you look at those teams, especially my bull teams back there, there were no days off, you know. Guys came to play where they were injured, sick, no matter what, because we felt like that we had to perform and that there were people coming out to watch us perform.

Well, I can say in today's era, especially with social media, players allow the public to know their personal things, whether it's political, financial, family, whatever. They allow the public to get involved in it. So when you asked me to make that comparison, With Michael or LeBron, well, Michael never put himself in that position. I mean, his words speak for himself, for itself.

Well, I can say in today's era, especially with social media, players allow the public to know their personal things, whether it's political, financial, family, whatever. They allow the public to get involved in it. So when you asked me to make that comparison, With Michael or LeBron, well, Michael never put himself in that position. I mean, his words speak for himself, for itself.

I mean, he's never going to put himself in a position where you know his political thinking, his political mindset. he stays away from that. He's a basketball player. He's not a politician. He's not one that's going to get involved in any kind of debate. He's going to focus more on playing basketball and what it takes to win championships. And that's all he's going to speak around.

I mean, he's never going to put himself in a position where you know his political thinking, his political mindset. he stays away from that. He's a basketball player. He's not a politician. He's not one that's going to get involved in any kind of debate. He's going to focus more on playing basketball and what it takes to win championships. And that's all he's going to speak around.