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48 Hours

An Eye For Murder

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Dr. Joe Miller says he was taking the steps he needed to take.

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An Eye For Murder

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All along, Lourdes stuck by Schwartz, and in January 2004, the couple became engaged. But Lourdes says their happiness was marred by his obsession with Brian Stidham.

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So suddenly this case is really gaining momentum.

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And it's headed toward one major suspect, and who is that?

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But her investigation was about to hit a major roadblock. Dr. Schwartz had an ironclad alibi the night Brian Stidham was murdered.

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You're certain of that?

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Detective Jill Murphy now had her sights set on a prime suspect, Dr. Bradley Schwartz. And she wasn't the only woman gunning for him.

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Months before Brian Stidham's murder, Lourdes broke off her engagement with Dr. Schwartz, tired of his cheating and lies. Now, the murder made her think her ex was also a killer.

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And Lourdes was not alone in her suspicions.

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Lisa Goldberg had gone out with Dr. Schwartz only five times, but by that fifth date, she knew something wasn't right. It was October 5th, 2004, the night of Brian Stidham's murder.

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The friend was introduced as Bruce, an acquaintance from Schwartz's days in rehab.

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Something's wrong here.

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Their date, along with Bruce, continued after dinner. First, they stopped at an ATM, and then a series of stops in search of a hotel room. Why are you going to hotels?

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It didn't make any sense to Lisa, but she didn't become suspicious until Schwartz called her the next day with the news of Brian Stidham's murder.

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That's when Lisa called police. When Detective Murphy heard Lisa's story, a light went on.

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Murphy wondered if the man in the restaurant could be the hired killer.

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Murphy subpoenaed Schwartz's cell phone records, hoping that information would lead her to Bruce. Instead, it led her to this convenience store.

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Records show Schwartz called here minutes before the murder.

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Like hospital surgical scrubs?

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Sounds like a doctor.

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Did this man look anything like Dr. Bradley Schwartz?

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Jennifer Dainty's description of the man in scrubs was a turning point in Murphy's investigation. It linked curiously to something Lisa Goldberg had told the detective, a bizarre question Schwartz had asked Bruce at the dinner. What does he say to him?

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Detective Murphy believed the man in scrubs at the convenience store was the killer. But was he the Bruce who joined Lisa and Dr. Schwartz for dinner?

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Detectives look for a connection to Dr. Schwartz and caught a break when one of his employees gave them a name, Ronald Bruce Bigger, a former patient. He had a record and a mugshot detectives could show to store clerk Jennifer Dainty.

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Her murder-for-hire theory got a boost when she confirmed Lisa Goldberg's story. Hotel surveillance video captured Schwartz and Bigger looking for a room, which, according to Murphy, was a small part of the payoff.

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But Bigger checked out by the time Murphy started looking for him. And now she was worried he might be going after a new target, Lisa. Why are investigators so concerned about you and your safety?

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Now Detective Murphy had to find Bigger. Was he on the run? Would he kill again?

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Ten days after the murder, investigators captured Bruce Bigger just outside of Tucson. Later that night, police slapped the cuffs on Dr. Schwartz. He was found at home in bed with yet another woman.

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Both were charged with murder and conspiracy.

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Just have a seat. For Lourdes, it was a relief until... I get a phone call, and it's Brad.

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Lourdes, help me. Calling from a cell phone in the interrogation room, Schwartz begs his former lover turned defense attorney to be his lawyer. Lourdes recalled that conversation for us. I want you to be my attorney.

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Yes, you can.

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In the weeks after his arrest, Dr. Schwartz's once secret love life became the talk of the town.

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It was the station's Confession Wednesday, and women were burning up the phone lines.

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The calls just kept on coming. We've got to pick up another call. Good morning.

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As Detective Murphy prepared for trial, she was learning a lot more about Schwartz's past.

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Is Danny Lopez any relation to Lourdes Lopez?

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Lourdes introduced her ex-husband to Schwartz. Soon, the two began having secret conversations. Dr. Schwartz gives your ex-husband $5,000. What do you think that money was for?

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But Detective Murphy couldn't question Danny Lopez because he was dead. Murdered during a drug deal months before Dr. Stidham's murder. But police from that case gave Detective Murphy Lopez's wallet and inside a bombshell. a picture of Dr. Stidham and Dr. Schwartz's business card.

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Detective Murphy's investigation had unearthed a lethal pattern of deceit and rage that would soon be presented at the separate murder trials of Dr. Schwartz and his alleged hitman, Bruce Biggar. The two men would be up against a woman beyond their control, known for her intimidating style. You often wear a dagger.

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When 37-year-old Dr. Brian Stidham was found murdered in the parking lot outside his office on October 5th, 2004, it sent a chill through this desert metropolis.

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Prosecutor Sylvia Lafferty has always had a flair for drama. Here, she's acting in the 1960s television western High Chaparral.

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And now, on the first day of Dr. Bradley Schwartz's murder trial, Lafferty once again takes center stage.

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Defense attorney Rick Stortz III says the state's case is weak.

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One by one, former patients and lovers of Dr. Schwartz take the stand. Some asked that we not show their faces.

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All eyes are now on Lourdes Lopez as she takes the stand, including those of her former fiance, Dr. Schwartz.

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But the former assistant DA was about to use Dr. Schwartz's own words against him.

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And prosecutors say Bruce Bigger, a drifter with a drug habit, was someone else Schwartz could manipulate.

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The state believes Bigger killed Dr. Stidham shortly after the doctor set his office alarm at 7.26 p.m. Then Bigger took off in Stidham's car, drove six miles, and dumped the vehicle. What does Bigger do then?

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For Detective Jill Murphy, the investigation began like any other.

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The prosecution presents bank surveillance video from the day after the murder showing Schwartz cashing a $10,000 check. Look closely as Dr. Schwartz makes a call on his cell phone. Prosecutor Richard Platt.

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And two of Bruce Bigger's drug buddies testify that shortly after the murder, the usually struggling drifter was living large.

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Lots of cash. It was a lot of money.

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But Brick Stortz argues that Bruce Bigger's sudden windfall of cash has nothing to do with a payoff from Brad Schwartz.

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And Stortz has his own opinion of the state's theory of a man bent on revenge.

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Stortz says the cops got it all wrong. They should have been focusing on this man, Dennis Walsh, a convicted carjacker who had been known to use a knife.

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But the judge deals a blow to the defense, allowing only limited testimony on Dennis Walsh. Why shouldn't we believe that Dennis Walsh is the man behind this murder?

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Throughout Dr. Schwartz's murder trial, Dr. Stidham's family sat in disbelief.

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At first glance, the well-known and respected pediatric eye surgeon appeared to be the victim of a random crime.

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But it's the lack of tangible evidence on Bruce Bigger that Brick Stortz zeroes in on. If Bruce Bigger stabbed Dr. Stidham, why wasn't there any blood on him?

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The state makes its case not on blood evidence, but on a partial DNA sample they say Bigger left on the radio knob of Stidham's stolen Lexus.

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The state's expert testifies that the odds of the DNA belonging to someone other than Bruce Biggar are overwhelming.

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But in a dramatic turn of events, a defense expert forces Sylvia Lafferty to concede that the math was wrong.

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It's a big whoops, though, right?

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If the DNA is now called into question, maybe Bruce Biggar's not involved. Maybe the jury now has reasonable doubt for a not guilty verdict.

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Stortz then attacks the very heart of the state's case. The timeline that Stidham died shortly after setting his office alarm at 7.26 p.m. His expert says Stidham may have died after 9 p.m.

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Stewart says his client is only guilty of having a big mouth.

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Dr. Bradley Schwartz never takes the stand.

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After nine weeks of trial, closing arguments.

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The jurors take their time. They have been deliberating for five days.

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Finally, the jury reaches a decision. And it's a surprise for both sides.

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the jury is hung on the count of first degree murder.

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It wasn't far into her investigation that Detective Murphy discovered that Dr. Brian Stidham was adored by the Tucson community.

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But Schwartz is found guilty of conspiring with Bruce Biggar to murder Dr. Brian Stidham. Four weeks later, Dr. Schwartz, the once prominent doctor who threw it all away because of a misguided sense of revenge, is sentenced to 25 years to life in prison. But it's little consolation to Dr. Brian Stidham's family.

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And all who have been touched by this tragedy are haunted by the what-ifs. As an assistant DA, you must have taken some sort of oath in office to enforce the laws to protect the people of Pima County.

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And you didn't do that.

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Today, hundreds of people... Two months after Dr. Stidham's death, his sister Andrea says his patients and friends paid tribute to him with a memorial walk in his favorite place, Sabino Canyon.

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Born and raised in Longview, Texas, Brian Stidham was the only son of Joyce and Max Stidham. How would you describe your son?

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After graduating with honors from Harvard Medical School, Dr. Brian Stidham began his career in Dallas, where he met his wife, Daphne. What was the wedding like?

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In 2001, Brian Stidham gets an offer to move to the desert. The offer is to work here in Tucson alongside one of the finest eye surgeons in the country. Stidham and his wife visit, fall in love with the beauty here, and decide to take the job. So this was a move he was really looking forward to.

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The dream job was with a practice called Arizona Specialty Eye Care.

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Where Brian teamed up with a renowned surgeon named Bradley Schwartz. So, very successful business.

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And growing.

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Office manager Lori Espinoza says in 2001, Schwartz's practice was pulling in more than a million dollars a year.

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Dr. Stidham's impact was seen immediately.

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But Laurie says the doctors had a different approach.

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Nearly a year into the job, Dr. Stidham decided to start his own practice.

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Friend and colleague Dr. Joe Miller remembers when Stidham began seeing patients at his new office. And he was doing well. He had a good location and patients were coming to see him in droves. As his practice continued to expand, so did his family. Daphne gave birth to a daughter in August of 2003. Family was putting in roots here? Yes. developing a circle of friends?

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But those dreams were shattered on a night in October 2004. When the news is broken to Daphne that her husband is dead, how does she react?

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And this investigation was about to get even more unusual. What was Daphne doing that night? What did your officers learn?

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Did that make them suspicious?

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Just hours after the murder of Dr. Brian Stidham, his wife Daphne was ruled out as a suspect after questioning by detectives. But the case took an unexpected twist when they asked Daphne a routine question. Did her husband have any enemies?

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Detective Murphy initially discounted the comments. After all, Schwartz and Stidham hadn't worked together in almost two years.

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Besides, Murphy had already developed a theory of the crime. Stidham had been ambushed in a violent carjacking.

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The crime scene yielded few clues. Did you find a murder weapon?

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There's a clue in the mystery surrounding a murder... But in less than 24 hours, there was a break in the case when investigators found Dr. Stidham's Lexus just six miles from the crime scene.

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News of the murder generated a slew of tips to police. One of them came from one of Brad Schwartz's ex-girlfriends.

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But why would Schwartz want Stidham dead? Murphy's team began an intensive investigation that soon discovered that Bradley Schwartz was having problems long before Brian Stidham arrived.

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According to office manager Lori Espinoza, Dr. Schwartz, who was married with three children, had developed a wandering eye.

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Espinoza believes Dr. Schwartz had affairs with at least 50 different women and sometimes even had sex in his office.

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As her investigation continued, Detective Murphy got a call from yet another woman, Lourdes Lopez, an assistant DA and a single mother who met Dr. Schwartz when her daughter became his patient in December of 2000.

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Did you fall in love with Dr. Schwartz?

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But while Lourdes Lopez was falling for Dr. Schwartz, Dr. Schwartz was falling apart.

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By 2001, Schwartz claimed to be suffering from chronic back pain and had become secretly addicted to Vicodin. His chronic pain problems soon became... Lori Espinoza's. How often did he have you fill these prescriptions?

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At its height, how many pills a month are we talking about?

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Lourdes knew about Schwartz's use of painkillers, but she says she never knew he was addicted. She even let him fill two prescriptions under her name. Was he getting high off of these pain killers?

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In November of 2001, Dr. Schwartz was juggling both his worsening addiction and his booming medical practice. That's when he hired Brian Stidham.

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But just four weeks after Brian Stidham's arrival, armed agents from the Drug Enforcement Agency raided Schwartz's office.

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Why did you lie?

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But the lies don't protect anyone. Nine months after the DEA raid, both Dr. Schwartz and Lourdes Lopez are indicted for their roles in the prescription drug scam. Dr. Schwartz has his medical license suspended and is ordered into a drug rehab facility. Lourdes loses her job in the DA's office. Both agree to plea bargains that keep them out of jail.

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Why didn't you at that time say, you've been dishonest with me about these drugs. You've been using me, manipulating me to commit an illegal act. I'm the assistant DA of Pima County. How can you do this to me and walk away from this guy?

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After the Schwartz indictment, Brian Stidham had enough. He gave 30 days notice and made plans to open his own practice. What does Dr. Schwartz think of the fact that his employee, Dr. Stidham, has now made the decision to leave, to start his own practice?

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But before Stidham was able to quit, an enraged Brad Schwartz called his office manager, Lori, from rehab.

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Schwartz was left to deal with his addiction and legal troubles.

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By all accounts, Schwartz's life was in turmoil. His wife filed for divorce, and he was broke. He's lost his income. He's lost his medical license. He's lost his wife. He's lost his kids. Almost a year would pass before the medical board returned Schwartz's license. In August of 2003, he set about the slow process of rebuilding his practice.

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Without a Trace

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Nach ihrer ersten Ausflüge in Kalifornien unter dem Namen Natalie Bowman wollte Esther Reed mehr.

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Without a Trace

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In fact, Esther wanted to go to Harvard. She asked her professor, Mitch Avila, to write her a letter of recommendation. But there was a catch.

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Without a Trace

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Es war Esther noch nicht die wichtigste Identitätsverletzung. Und eine, die sie als schuldig war. Was war das? Brooke Henson. Brooke Henson. Eine junge Frau aus Südamerika, die vermutlich verletzt wurde, aber verurteilt wurde.

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And I would have a new life. In 2004, Esther fulfilled her childhood dream. She applied and was accepted to Harvard University. It's Extension School anyway.

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Esther hatte große Pläne für ihre neue Identität. Als Brooke Henson wollte sie in eine Gerichtsschule. Sie wollte schon seit sie sehr klein war, ein Arbeiter werden. Esther hat Harvard verarscht, aber sie wollte mehr. Sie hat gut auf der SAT gespielt und hat sich bald auf eine andere Ivy League Schule eingeladen.

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The high school dropout from Townsend, Montana was in the big leagues. What was it like for you to walk the campus of Columbia University as a full fledged student?

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Esther financed her new life by acquiring more than $100,000 in fraudulent student loans.

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After months with no contact, Esther was now back in touch with her friend in California, Bita Shigaghi.

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Bita besuchte sie am 4. Juli 2005. Hast du sie Brooke oder Natalie genannt? Nein, Natalie.

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Sie war noch nicht sicher, dass ihr bester Freund ein Kon-Artist war.

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Didn't like to take pictures?

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Das selbe 4. Juli war auch das sechste Geburtstag der echten Verlust von Brooke Henson.

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Ihre Tochter, Lisa Henson, hat einen Vigil gehalten.

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South Carolina Investigator John Campbell had nearly run out of new leads.

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Back up at Columbia, the fake Brooke Henson was making the most of her new life. She had a 3.22 GPA, an apartment near Central Park, and was dating a West Point cadet. In den Textbüchern studiertest du Psychologie und Kriminalität. Ja. Und logischerweise würde jemand sagen, was für perfekte zwei Kurse für eine Kon-Frau zu nehmen, um ihre Kreativität zu verbessern.

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Was für perfekte zwei Kurse für einen Lehrer zu nehmen. Im Juli 2006, nach zwei Jahren in Kolumbien, fühlte ich mich selbstbewusst.

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Esther hat sich für einen Job eingeladen. Durch einen Hintergrundschritt hat der Mitarbeiter Brooke Henson gegoogelt. Er hat herausgefunden, dass sie eine Missbraucherin war und hat die South Carolina Authorities schnell angerufen.

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Detective John Campbell war überrascht und skeptisch.

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Aber dann wieder, das ist genau das, was dieser Hochschulabschluss gemacht hat.

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Campbell hat einen New Yorker Detektiv gefragt, um Kontakt zu machen.

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Ich habe gesagt, mein Name ist Brooke Henson. Und sie hat sie ein paar Fragen, die Lisa Henson, Brooks Tochter, vorbereitet hat.

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Remarkable, Esther got nearly all the answers right.

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Then, Lisa saw a photo. Is this Brooke? No. You're certain of that?

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But Lisa and Detective Campbell wanted more information. Technically she is a suspect until we can clear her.

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Campbell asked a New York detective to call Brooke and request a DNA sample. What are you going through at that moment? Are you panicked? Sure. Esther decided to flee. She quickly went out and rented a U-Haul truck. Als Esther's cons made headlines, she went underground. 48 Hours then set out to find her, hiring renowned private investigator Steve Rombach.

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Rambam first heads to Esther's old apartment in Manhattan.

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Steve Rombom schlägt Gold. Das ist das zertifizierte Artikel von Brooke Henson. Ein Papier-Trail von Esthers Leben als Brooke.

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Und einige ihrer Zielgruppen waren die Männer, mit denen sie verheiratet war. Wie viele Männer glaubst du, dass Esther Reed durchgegangen ist? Ich weiß von etwa einer Dutzend. Was war es an Esther, das sie so attraktiv gemacht hat?

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Mindestens fünf von Esthers Freundinnen waren Kadetten und Mitfahrerinnen aus West Point und Annapolis. Es gibt Gefühle, dass Esther ihre Verbrechen auf ein ganz neues Niveau nehmen wird.

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Es war Juli 2006. Nachdem sie ihre Identität als Brooke Hanson, Esther Reed, verlassen hat, ist sie aus New York geflogen. Wo bist du hin?

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Und dann war sie weg. Aber die Behörden schlossen sich ab. Ein federales Großjury in Südkorea beurteilte dieses Beurteilung, um Esther Reed mit Fälschung von Identitätsverletzungen und Studentenlohn-Fraude zu beurteilen. Mit den vollen investigativen Kräften des Geheimdienstes, der jetzt verabschiedet ist, sah es sich so aus, als würde Esther schnell verhaftet werden.

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US Attorney Walt Wilkins. Der Fakt, dass Esther einen Passwort unter dem Namen Brooke Hanson bekam, war das ein fadlerischer Fehler für sie?

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Hot on Esther's trail is 48-hours private investigator Steve Rombom. He tracked Esther all the way from Vermont to Florida to California.

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Pouring over Esther's old cell phone records, Rombom decided to head for Chicago.

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Diese Rekorde führten uns zu diesem Mann, Stephen Fouts, einem verurteilten sexuellen Predator. Wir fuhren ihn in seine Lieblingsbar. Stephen Fouts, sagst du? Es gab mehr als 100 Telefonrufe zwischen dir und Esther Reed. Auf deinem Telefon und ihres. Fouts sagt, eine Frau namens Wanda hat seinen Telefon benutzt, um Esther zu beantworten.

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No, I don't. The Fouts' lead is a dead end. So Rombom next zeroes in on Steven Donald, an old boyfriend of Esters, also in Chicago.

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After observing Donald in his apartment, Rombom coaxes him outside. We then decided to move in ourselves. Here we go. Do it. Steven, Peter Van Sand. Are you in contact with Esther Reed today?

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Do you have any idea where she is? No. Sie verstehen, dass sie in illegalen Aktivitäten involviert sein könnte und dass diejenigen, die mit ihr verabschiedet sind, wahrscheinlich beantwortet werden. Und ich gebe Ihnen die Möglichkeit, uns zu erzählen, was Sie von ihr wissen.

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But Donald goes back on his word. Authorities say he refused to cooperate. And while Rambam was in Chicago, Esther was still at large.

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Auf der föderalen Seite ist US-Marshal John Bridge.

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Um diese neue Identität zu entdecken, muss er Witz mit Esther vergleichen.

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Und wenn die Punkte verbunden sind und Esther's Pattern klar wird, sind die Behörden alarmiert. Esther hat eine Reihe von militärischen Männern. Aber niemand weiß, warum.

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In den Staaten fokussierten sich die Investitionen auf Kyle Bringle, einen Westpoint-Kadett, mit dem Esther romantisch beteiligt war. Kyle Bringle.

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Mit Kyle Brengel hast du IMs, in denen du ihn fragst, was er studiert. Wenn er dir diese Informationen geben könnte, inklusive potenzieller Kampfpläne. Warum hast du ihn dafür gefragt?

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But her instant messages with Kyle say otherwise. Kyle, training briefing. Got lots of maps and timelines. Esther, is it for a class or something real? Kyle, yeah, for my military science class. Just like what I'll do as an infantry platoon leader. Esther, I want to see it when you're finished. Kyle, I'll send it to you.

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Again, her IMs to Kyle Bringle conflict with her story. Esther, I'd so love to be James Bond. Kyle, really? You want to be a spy? Esther, oh please, that would be a dream job.

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Why shouldn't I think you're just BSing me right now? That the master con woman is just conning me and conning this audience.

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Frank Abagnale, der selbst Sex verwendet hat, um Informationen zu bekommen, als er ein Kon-Mann war, denkt, er weiß, warum Esther mit so vielen militärischen Studenten romantisch beteiligt war.

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Could you tell me who you are? What is your name?

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Aber Esther hat ihre Beziehungen nicht nur mit Militärmännern begrenzt.

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Und sie hat sie überall gefunden. Um die ganze Welt zu reisen, war Esther mit Männern zusammen. In Connecticut, New York und Florida.

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In February 2008, investigators get a huge break. They link Esther to a car purchased in the greater Chicago area.

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Bist du sicher?

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Sie tun es, aber in einer Art und Weise, die niemand jemals erwartet hätte.

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Despite being hunted by the Secret Service and US Marshals... Esther Reed could be anywhere right now. ...investigated by a US attorney and hounded by private investigator Steve Rombom... I think Saddam Hussein changed his sleeping arrangements less often than she did.

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...Esther Reed was still at large, more than a year and a half after her escape from New York, still changing identities to keep one step ahead of her pursuers.

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Was war die Name, die du geworden bist?

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Jennifer Meyers.

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Ähm, ich fuhr. Unbekannt zu Esther entdeckten die Berichterstatter ihre neue Identität. Und US-Marshal John Bridge war schnell am Schluss.

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Und Tinley Park, ein Dorf in Chicago, war am 2. Februar 2008 der schlechteste Ort im Land, um Esther zu sein. Was hast du da gemacht? Ich habe in einem Hotel geblieben.

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Die Polizisten suchten überall in der Stadt nach fünf Frauen, die in einem Lane Bryant Store verurteilt wurden. Der Täter war noch nicht weg.

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Police began cruising parking lots, running checks on all out-of-state license plates. Just by chance, they came across Esther's car.

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You opened the door and who's standing there?

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Esther Reed hat 48 Stunden Zeit, ihr erstes Interview zu machen. Die Situationen, wie wir Esther gefunden haben, werden klar werden, als wir dieses Geheimnis entdecken.

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Nach neun langen Jahren hat Esther mit ihrer Schwester Edna von einem Telefon aus dem Gefängnis gesprochen.

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Ann Fitz was Esther's defense attorney.

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Social Anxiety Disorder is a very common phobia and defined as an excessive or irrational fear of being watched, judged and criticized by others. How convenient. Social Anxiety Disorder. Boy, it seems to explain all the bad decisions you made in your life.

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Esthers Defense will never be heard at trial.

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identity theft charges but refuses to detail her many scams.

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I just plead guilty to four felonies. Esther, now 30 years old, is sentenced to 51 months in federal prison. In your opinion, was Esther Reed a spy?

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Federal Investigators concluded that Kyle Bringle did nothing wrong. And the Lane Bryant Killer has never been found. Do you think Esther Reed knows the difference between right and wrong?

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Brooke Henson's Aunt Lisa had to live with the pain of not knowing what happened to her niece, who remains missing.

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And if I could fix it, I would. I don't know how to make it better. Esther agreed to this interview after her sentencing. Es gibt nur eine Frage, die sich alle überlegen. Viele fragen sich, warum man das nicht nur als Esther Reed machen könnte. Du hattest so viel Intellekt, so viel Talent, so viel Fähigkeit. Mach das einfach selbst.

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Nach fast einer Dekade von ihrer Familie, der Glauben und sich selbst, was wird von Esther Reed?

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Privat-Investigator Steve Rombom, der 48 Stunden arbeitete, und US-Marshal John Bridge suchten alle nach der elusiven Esther Reed.

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Wer wirst du in diesem neuen Leben sein?

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Nach dem Stehlen von vielen Identitäten und dem Rennen von vielen brillanten Verbrechen, hat diese Master-Con-Frau einen Platz auf der US-Secret-Services 10 Best-Wanted-Liste gewonnen.

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Walt Wilkins, ein US-Autor, hat die Hintergründe von Esther untersucht. Wie gut ist Esther? Sie ist gut. Sie ist wirklich gut. Um zu verstehen, was Esther Reed macht, reisen wir zu ihrer Heimatstadt in Townsend, Montana.

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Und wenn du blickst, verpasst du es.

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Edna hat Esther vor fast einer Dekade nicht persönlich gesehen, aber sie hat uns das Familienhaus gezeigt. Was haben wir hier?

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Der Trunk ist der erste in einer Reihe von Zeichen, die unsere Investition entdecken wird. Das ist Esther's Dress. Wie alt ist Esther? Ich würde sagen, sie ist vier oder fünf.

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Das war eine Fotografie. Sie war in dieser Box.

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Was geht dir durch den Kopf, wenn du darauf schaust?

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Nach dem Divorz von Esther's Eltern, fühlte sie sich wie ein Ausgleich.

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Jim Theriault war Esthers Englischlehrer und Debatte-Coach.

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Hat sie mit dir argumentiert? Ja, sie hat an mir gearbeitet. Hat sie diese Argumente gewonnen? Sie hat sie gewonnen. E.J. Reed ist Esthers Bruder. Sie waren sehr nahe und E.J. fühlte Esthers Brillanz jeden Tag, besonders als die beiden Chess spielten. Sie blutete mich weg. Ich meine, ich konnte nicht mal eine Flasche für sie halten.

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Aber so klug wie sie war, fuhr Esther aus der Hochschule und fuhr mit ihrer Mutter nach Seattle. Dann, 1998, fuhr Esthers Mutter weg. Meine Mutter liebte mich immer nur.

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Esther's Metamorphosis from small town girl to big city con woman had begun. And so did her life of crime.

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The next matter is State of Washington versus Esther Reed. During this period, Esther stole a co-worker's purse. Guilty. Esther even took Ednas purse and drained her checking account of thousands of dollars. It was like somebody slugged me in the stomach.

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I never saw her again. Esther Reed had ceased to exist. By 1999, Esther Reed knew she needed to leave town.

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Now a convicted criminal with family problems, 21-year-old Esther decided it was time to ditch her old life and find a new identity.

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Und es war an dieser Zeit, während dieser Zeit, dass du die Entscheidung gemacht hast, Natalie Fischer zu werden?

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Erkennst du die echte Natalie Fischer, die Schwester von Esthers alten Freund? Sieh sie dir freundlich aus?

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Quiet, but cunning. Before long, Esther had gotten a hold of Natalie's social security number and began using it to rip her off.

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Esther got a driver's license in Natalie's name and proceeded to live as Natalie. Esther left Seattle in 2000 and spent much of the next two years traveling cross country in a car like this. in günstigen Motels zu bleiben. Aber trotz ihres lebensweiten und fehlenden Verbrechens wollte noch ein Teil von Esther einen Weg zum Erfolg finden und ein Ort, wo sie wirklich gehörte.

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Forced to live by her wits, Esther needed a way to make money any way she could. She perfectly forged these J.C. Penny receipts and used them to return items for more than they were worth. Esther pocketed tens of thousands of dollars. I'm not going to discuss money of any sort. Okay, but you managed to make some money, somehow.

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Sie hat mehr als überlebt, sie hat sich verändert. Sie hat Gewicht verloren und hat Kosmetik-Suchsen gemacht. Wer ist diese Frau?

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Sie war eine sehr nette Person, sie ist sehr freundlich. Zwei Jahre später hat sie Brandy Olson getroffen. In einer Debatte in Tempe, Arizona. Brandy sagt, Natalie Fischer hatte immer viel Geld und eine klare Erklärung, woher sie kam.

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Brandy war auf einem College-Debate-Team. Und Natalie nutzte ihren neuen Freund, um Leute an Debattournamenten zu treffen.

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Esthers Ruse hat funktioniert. Sie hat den Debatte-Coach John Bruschke getroffen. Und 2002 hat er Natalie auf die Debatte eingeladen. in Cal State Fullerton. ...whether it's embracing Micha or not... ...and asked her to join his team. She agreed, but by the time she got there, she had a different name. Natalie was very guarded about her past.

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I mean, I once in fact asked her the question, you know, is your last name Fischer or Bowman? While you were at Cal State Fullerton, you make a decision to change your identity from Natalie Fischer to Natalie Bowman. Why?

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That's because Natalie Fisher was monitoring her credit report and realized someone was stealing from her. Esther needed to refine her scam and get someone's social security number.

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Wenn jemand weiß, was Esther durchging, ist Frank Abagnale.

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Seine Erfolge als junger Kon-Mann inspirierten den Film Catch Me If You Can.

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Abagnale hat jahrelang als Pilot, Arzt und Arbeiter vorgesehen. Er sagt, er weiß, warum Esther so gerne debattiert.

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Bita Shigagi, Esthers Freundin bei Cal State Fullerton, hatte keine Ahnung, dass ihre Freundin ein Imposter war.

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Bita vertraute Esther komplett und sie verbunden, nachdem sie lernte, dass beide ihrer Mütter von Krebs gestorben sind.

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But back in Seattle, three years had passed since Esther's family had heard from her.

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The family filed a missing persons report and Edna wondered if she'd ever see Esther again. What are you thinking to yourselves?

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Esther war sehr lebendig und sie ging weiter mit einer anderen Identität. Im Frühjahr 2003 hat Esther den Namen Natalie Bowman verlassen, nach Cal State Fullerton geflogen und auf die Straße gefahren. Sie hat Bita erzählt, dass sie gestoppt wurde und ihr Name wieder geändert wurde. Bita glaubte ihr. Und was war ihr neues Name?

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And something else troubled Terrell. Unusual purchases on Stephanie's credit card the weekend she disappeared. Nearly $5,000 worth of golf clothing and equipment, all for delivery to Wayne Guidry. And on the very day Stephanie's parents reported her missing, Wayne Guidry, seen here in bank surveillance photos, cashed a $3,000 check Stephanie had made out to him.

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Then, Wayne left town, heading home to Luling, just outside New Orleans. He went straight to see his lifelong friend, Eric Dufresne.

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Eric and Wayne grew up playing Little League together. As adults, they became hunting and golfing buddies.

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When did you first learn that Stephanie was missing?

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Was Wayne worried about Stephanie?

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But the worried look quickly wore off, Eric says.

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In fact, Eric was about to become involved. Investigators approached him hoping he might provide clues to prove their developing theory. that Wayne had killed Stephanie. What was your reaction when you heard that? I was shocked. I didn't want to believe it. Investigators knew Wayne liked the outdoors and sometimes took Stephanie into the woods to make love.

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The Jackson Bienville Management Preserve is 30,000 acres of dense woods. To find a body in such a massive area, police needed Eric to help them narrow the search.

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Eric had a vague memory of a place in the woods that fascinated Wayne.

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A hole in the ground, somewhere in the preserve.

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So Detective Terrell turned to another man who had often hunted with Wayne, his own father, Wayne Guidry Sr.,

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He told us what road it was off of, a little logging road. Wayne Guidry Sr. then drew this map with an X marking the spot. It was like, you know, this may be it. Investigators had long suspected that Stephanie was somewhere in this vast wildlife preserve. Now, with that hand-drawn map from Guidry's father, authorities could finally focus their search.

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About 150 people walked side by side through these woods until right here. They discovered the hole, the one that had so fascinated Wayne Guidry Jr. And at the bottom of this hole, hidden by some brush, was the decaying body of Stephanie Pepper Sims.

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A warrant was issued immediately for Wayne Guidry, and within hours, he was arrested. 300 miles away on a New Orleans golf course.

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Wayne Guidry swears he's innocent. So are you telling me it's just a coincidence that her body ends up in the hole that you had pointed out to your good friend, the hole that your own father knew about?

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It is the same hole.

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Is there an arrogance with Wayne, in your opinion? Oh, yeah, but I'm going to take that out of it. I want you to list for me all of the forensic evidence that links Wayne Guidry to the murder of Stephanie. None. Zip. Nothing. Why were you so attracted to Stephanie?

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Wayne Guidry says his affair with Stephanie Sims was overwhelming right from the start. Why'd you get emotional when you're thinking about this?

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Guidry also had other needs. And at the time you met Stephanie, what were you doing for a living?

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So financially, what was Wayne contributing to this relationship?

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Guidry was happy to be a kept man. While Stephanie went to work, he stayed in her apartment, spending hours on her computer. And you're looking at pornography and golf sites.

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Did Stephanie know you were doing this?

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Guidry says Stephanie was ready to divorce her husband, David Sims.

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Guidry was satisfied. But was Stephanie satisfied?

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On the last day Stephanie Sims was seen alive, Wayne Guidry says they spent a typical Sunday afternoon together.

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Store clerk Sarah Fitzpatrick remembers Stephanie coming in that Sunday and that everything seemed fine.

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That night, Guidry claims that he and Stephanie had an argument and that Stephanie threw him out of the apartment. He says he drove around in her white Taurus all night long until morning.

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Holland's theory of the crime is that right after the stop at the convenience store, Guidry took Stephanie into the woods and shot her.

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But how can Holland convince a jury?

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A forensic examination of the hard drive in Stephanie's computer revealed that during the exact time period Wayne Guidry says he was driving around after Stephanie kicked him out of the apartment, someone was in the apartment, surfing the web for 11 hours.

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As for the $3,000 check Stephanie gave Guidry the day before she disappeared? Why'd she do that?

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Wayne did hear criticism after he cashed Stephanie's check and left town. You know that sounds terrible. It does. And it looks terrible. You've got $3,000 cash in your pocket.

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You know that Stephanie is missing, and you continue on your trip to southern Louisiana.

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Guidry, playing a guitar he fashioned himself in jail from cardboard and dental floss, now admits he may be guilty of bad manners, but not of murder. Do you have anything to do with her disappearance, with her murder? If you didn't kill Stephanie, who did? I don't know. I can't tell you that.

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It could have been almost anyone, says Guidry, including David Sims, Stephanie's husband.

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Did you know that Wayne Guidry Jr. was seeing Stephanie?

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David, did you have anything to do with the disappearance of your wife, Stephanie?

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Did you shoot your wife? No.

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And why, Guidry asks, would he kill the one woman who really loved him?

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What the investigators saw was the face of a stone-cold killer. And prosecutor Hugo Holland says he's got an eyewitness, not to the crime, but to a confession. Do you believe Wayne Guidry Jr. is a murderer? Yes. I don't believe it, I know it. Barbara Pepper will be haunted forever by her daughter Stephanie's last phone call.

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Stephanie never called back. On the day that Stephanie disappeared, she spoke with her mother, Barbara, on the telephone. Quote, Wayne has a surprise for me. What was the surprise, Wayne?

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Terry Coleman says Guidry was cooking up more than lunch that day, that the surprise was a plan to lure Stephanie out into the woods. And so he tells you he heads out to the woods. What does he do?

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Coleman says Guidry then made a deadly proposal, marriage or murder.

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When Guidry Jr. tells you that it was Stephanie's gun that he used. Yes.

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And then what happened?

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Did Stephanie have a gun? What kind of gun?

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Do you know where that gun is today? Because it's missing.

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Sometimes I feel like I'm partially responsible for death because of that. Do you believe that Stephanie was shot with the gun that you gave her?

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What does Wayne Guidry Jr. do with the handgun?

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In an eight-page handwritten letter provided to investigators, Coleman detailed Wayne's alleged confession.

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Hugo Holland admits... that Coleman, who has been found to be both mentally competent and incompetent at various times, will be a tough sell to a jury.

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But Holland believes that in this case, Coleman, who has not offered a deal to come forward, is credible.

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So what you're telling me is that you're an honest man, but you wouldn't necessarily believe what comes out of your own mouth. No, I wouldn't. If I was a juror, I wouldn't take a word. Are we supposed to believe you or not? That's up to you. Wayne, did you take Stephanie's .25 caliber pistol and shoot her in the chest?

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Do you take her out into the woods, take her out to your favorite hole, dump her body in that hole?

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Joseph Clark, Wayne Guidry's court-appointed attorney, says relying on a jailhouse snitch shows that Holland doesn't have any solid proof against his client.

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You think there's reasonable doubt?

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At this historic courthouse in Homer, Louisiana, a jury hears the arguments over who's responsible for the death of Stephanie Pepper Sims. Prosecutor Hugo Holland presents his key witnesses, Detective Jeff Terrell, Ginger Stewart, Eric Dufresne, and Wayne Guidry, Sr. hoping to convince the jury that the only man with a motive for murder was Wayne Guidry Jr. You're a snitch.

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A jailhouse snitch. Sure. The worst kind of human being in a jail, correct? Right.

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And Terry Coleman, Guidry's former cellmate, provides the jury with his unique perspective, as the man Guidry supposedly confessed to.

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Defense attorney Joseph Clark tells the jury Coleman can't be trusted. He also says police failed to properly investigate David Sims, the scorned husband.

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But the prosecution presents compelling evidence. Computer records show Guidry was surfing the net the night he claimed Stephanie threw him out. Credit card purchases and cashing a $3,000 check from Stephanie after she went missing were also damaging. And most importantly, that hole in the woods, Wayne's hole, where Stephanie's body was found.

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So ultimately, as the jurors go to deliberate, it all comes down to that hole in the ground.

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The trial lasted for seven days. The jury came back in just two hours with their verdict. Guilty.

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I'll accept it. Are you a guilty man?

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It will be a long time. 30-year-old Wayne Guidry is sentenced to life without the possibility of parole.

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No doubt in your mind, justice was served. I believe that with all my heart. What do you miss most about Stephanie?

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And you miss her a lot.

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But one question remains, motive. Holland says Wayne Guidry may have answered that early on.

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At the First Baptist Church in Jonesboro, a piano was dedicated in Stephanie's memory.

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Howard and Barbara Pepper have always believed their only child, Stephanie, was living proof that miracles do happen.

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Stephanie grew up in tiny Jonesboro, Louisiana. Her parents were both teachers.

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And Stephanie was at the head of the class. Highest academic achievement.

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She was a talented writer.

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And then there was that sweet singing voice.

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It's tough to talk about her, isn't it?

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Stephanie was at the heart of her parents' lives, and they'll admit they spoiled her a bit. But all that love paid off. Stephanie was graduated with honors from college, and following in her parents' footsteps, became an English instructor at Louisiana Tech University. She had everything, except a serious relationship in her life. But at age 25, that was about to change.

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Stephanie caught the eye of a local accountant, David Sims. Hey, Boo-Boo. Ten years older than she was, David was a former student of her father's.

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And on February 27th, 1999, after just six months of dating, I now present to you, Mr. and Mrs. David Sands. David and Stephanie became husband and wife, but the honeymoon didn't last. Barbara, how long after David and Stephanie were married did she tell you that there were problems?

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David insisted on separate bank accounts.

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Just major items or little items as well?

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Did David put her on an allowance?

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Do you think you're kind of a rigid personality?

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About two years into the marriage, David says they stopped communicating.

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Pretty soon, it wasn't just the checking accounts they were keeping separate. Is it true the two of you slept in separate beds?

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It was now November 2002. Stephanie confided in her good friend, Ginger Stewart, that she was unhappy.

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One night after finals week at Louisiana Tech, Stephanie joined Ginger at a local bar.

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But Ginger says Stephanie seemed fascinated with Guidry.

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Ginger says Wayne Guidry swept Stephanie off her feet.

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Were you sensing that your good friend was in love?

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Less than a week after meeting this handsome golfer, Stephanie told her husband that she wanted to separate.

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By giving Stephanie some space, David hoped he could save their marriage. Honestly, did you think the marriage was over at that point? Oh, no.

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He even helped Stephanie move into her own apartment. This is the woman you love, right? Right. This had to hurt.

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But Stephanie failed to tell her husband what the real reason was for separating, Wayne Guidry.

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Stephanie remained in occasional contact with David. But she was having trouble keeping her affair private.

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A male voice on the phone and another man's hat in the trunk of Stephanie's car.

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For five weeks, Stephanie lived a double life, a secret lover in a shared apartment, a husband left alone to worry about what was really going on. Then on January 5th, 2003, Stephanie's mom got a terrible feeling. Her daily telephone calls from Stephanie had abruptly stopped.

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Barbara's premonition was right. Stephanie had vanished. Monroe Police Department. The missing person case was assigned to lead detective Jeff Terrell. Jeff, how you doing? All right. Who focused his attention on David Sims. Are you thinking there could be a jealous husband situation here as a potential motive? Yeah. Aren't you the one with the motive to kill her?

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While Stephanie Pepper Sims sounded like she was looking forward to the new year, her best friend Ginger Stewart says inside she was struggling with her secret life. Was Stephanie troubled by this affair she was having on a moral basis?

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How many people knew about the affair between Wayne Guidry and Stephanie?

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Stephanie's mother, Barbara, knew only that her daughter had a new friend. Did any of your radar go off as a mom when she said, my friend?

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Then, on the morning Stephanie failed to show up at Louisiana Tech to teach her class, the Peppers went to their daughter's new apartment looking for her. Minutes later, the phone rang. It was Wayne.

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What was the tone of his voice?

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As the days went by with no sign of Stephanie, her parents became desperate.

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Hundreds of people were now searching for the 29-year-old college professor. Yeah, that'd be fine. Detective Jeff Terrell first questioned Stephanie's husband, David. Did you interview David Sims yourself?

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David was given a polygraph test. He passed. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna need this. Terrell then conducted a series of interviews with the last person to see Stephanie alive, Wayne Guidry. Terrell says Guidry's rambling answers raised red flags.

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You know, when a defense team builds a lot of their case on she couldn't have done it, she physically couldn't have moved that body, they had to suggest a potential other suspect. When they cross-examined Scott, they really went after him. You are physically able. You are the only one on that farm that could move that body. You had issues with your father or financial issues.

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Post Mortem | The Farris Wheel

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You had told people that one day this farm would be yours. They suggested all these things that he had a motive. to kill. So you knew it was out there in the ether, but it wasn't until this moment that you knew for sure that his mom thought the wrong person has been convicted of this crime. The real killer is just sitting right behind me off to the side. And that killer is my own son.

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Hi, Anne-Marie. It's great to be here again. And they called this the Ferris wheel, so hop on and enjoy the ride, folks.

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Absolutely. It was profound for him. And for him, it was also just one more betrayal because he claims that Melody's story about Scott's relationship with his father is a lie, according to Scott. He got along with his dad. They loved each other very much.

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Post Mortem | The Farris Wheel

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He worked hard at that farm, that his father had not talked to him about cutting off his funds and things, that she had made up a relationship that simply...

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didn't exist and for scott then to hear all of this was just another turn of the knife that was already you know in his back and it was um it was a tragedy it was this ferris wheel uh taking one last evil turn isn't that the truth okay so let us talk about your exclusive interview with melody

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Post Mortem | The Farris Wheel

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Well, this has happened once before in all my years at 48 Hours. And through our producers that work this, they had made contact with defense attorneys, had a good relationship with them and proposed this interview and Melody agreed to it. It did occur so quickly that after the drama in the courtroom, I dashed to the back. We had set up a room there at the courthouse to do this interview.

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And I'm sitting in a chair, looking down at my notes, getting ready for Melody to come in. I look up and she's already in the chair, sitting there staring at me with that face that I had seen on TV screens. And she was raring to go. And I told her, I just listened to one of the most dramatic sentencing hearings of my career. Tell this audience what you want them to know. And it all came out.

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The flood of this came out in which she now claimed that her dead mother had told her, we both know that Scott did this. I know that Scott did this, but I want you to protect my grandson. This is what Melody claimed. and that Melody had agreed to do that. Melody didn't take the stand and tell the story.

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Post Mortem | The Farris Wheel

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When I asked her that, it was the classical, my attorneys didn't want me to, my attorneys didn't want me to. Keep in mind, as Melody is making all of these claims, this case had been exhaustively investigated, and police have told us that for them, All of the evidence led to one person, and that person was Melody.

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Post Mortem | The Farris Wheel

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But we sat down and had a really spirited interview, to say the least, where I pressed her on her accusations, and it was fascinating.

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Her bringing in her mother, who is dead and cannot speak for herself, that was a big surprise, saying that she had made this promise, but now she had to speak up. The thing, I spent a lot of time challenging her just about how does a mother go after her own son when what's the evidence that he did this beyond the fact that she's created this narrative. But she's really stuck with it.

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Post Mortem | The Farris Wheel

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She doubled down on that. Scott is the killer. She said over and over again, it's not me. I'll have a new day in court. I will be, we will one day be able to prove that Scott did this. I don't know how that's going to happen. But she claims this case is not over. And she looks forward to the day that her own son is in chains being led away.

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Post Mortem | The Farris Wheel

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Well, Scott says that things with Amanda have not healed as yet. That division still remains. Amanda testified that she believes in her mother. The other three children are just certain. They say Melody Ferris was a contentious person, had anger issues, was betraying their father, humiliated their father by bringing her lover to their...

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Post Mortem | The Farris Wheel

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one of the daughter's wedding receptions, dancing with him, partying with him, holding him. The family has blown apart. And as I said, when I went out to this bucolic farm, about 10 acres, this beautiful pond, old barn, a mansion that's there, and to have all this hatred, animosity, and ultimately death and the burning of a corpse on that property is just mind-boggling to me.

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Post Mortem | The Farris Wheel

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If I can just mention one other thing, too, that's always baffled me. The weekend in which he died, the grandkids were visiting the farm. Who plans a murder when their grandchildren are there? Whether that family will ever come back together, all of them, I don't know.

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Post Mortem | The Farris Wheel

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Thanks, Anne-Marie.

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Scott was questioned. He was never charged with any crime whatsoever. And during the course of the trial, defense attorneys, there was all this innuendo out there, and they're questioning that he must have had something to do with his father's murder. But in fact,

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Post Mortem | The Farris Wheel

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On July 3rd, 2018, the day that authorities believe Gary Ferris was murdered, Scott's cell phone and Scott were far away from the family farm. He didn't return until about 1130 that night, so he simply wasn't there. Sitting across from him, though...

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You know, people like you and me who've interviewed so many people, we have a belief that we have a sense that we can judge a person's veracity, their honesty. He looked me right in the eye. He has told a consistent story throughout. People who are lying oftentimes will tell different versions of what happened because they can't quite keep their story straight. Not with Scott.

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Post Mortem | The Farris Wheel

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I challenged him with lots of tough questions and he took them on with a great spirit, answered everything. There was nothing that... that was off limits with Scott, which was fantastic. The defense tried to raise suspicions that he was involved with all of this. We didn't get into this a lot in the hour, but it is interesting. Scott Ferris lived in an apartment at the very top of the barn.

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Post Mortem | The Farris Wheel

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And his mother complained that investigators didn't do a good job of searching that barn. Well, it turns out that some .38 caliber ammunition was found in the barn. And remember, Gary Ferris's bullet that was found on his ribcage was a .38 caliber. And yet in the barn, there was no firearm that could shoot a .38 caliber bullet.

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Post Mortem | The Farris Wheel

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So in Melody's mind, well, clearly her son must have used a gun, disposed of that weapon. But it turns out that Scott Ferris had a buddy who did have a gun, fired a .38, they'd get together and do some target practice. And that the bullets, the ammunition they found inside that barn was explained to the satisfaction of investigators.

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Post Mortem | The Farris Wheel

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On top of everything else, in the end, the .38 caliber bullets found in the barn was actually a different type of .38 caliber slug than what was found in Gary Ferris' body.

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One of the big issues in this case, which for me is still unresolved, is how does a 120-pound Melody Ferris manage to get, if she murdered her husband, a 300-pound body into that burn pile? And one of the things that investigators looked at, there were two... farm vehicles that they had. One was called an RTV, a rough terrain vehicle.

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And what investigators were wondering, and by the way, Melody knew how to use both of these vehicles. So they were wondering, did she take the RTV... and drag him out to the pile. So they went and checked the RTV and there was no DNA at all of Gary Farris on there. There was a single drop of blood. It turned out to be Melody's blood on the shifter.

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But as somebody that, you know, we have a place out in the country and when you're out there, I mean, every time I go out there, I cut myself on something. So they just didn't think that was significant. The other vehicle was a tractor with a small shovel in the front, but large enough to carry a human being.

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And investigators checked it out to see if there was any DNA inside that shovel that matched Gary Ferris. and they found nothing there. So there was just no evidence at all that a body had been dragged from the house up to the burn pile, had been dragged anywhere, and there were no tire marks that went directly from the house to the burn pile.

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Post Mortem | The Farris Wheel

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So to this day, it's like a space alien came down and somehow scooped up his body and put him in that pile. And for me and for 48 Hours producers who were there at the trial, it just eats away at us. How did she get that body in that burn pile?

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Post Mortem | The Farris Wheel

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The strap that Scott is talking about is a strong nylon strap. You can hook it on the back of an RTV. There's usually an eyelet there. They'll use it oftentimes if they're out deer hunting, let's say, and they want to bring a carcass back, or if they're hauling waste materials from the farm, if they're pruning trees or whatever, and they'll take things to the burn pile.

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That strap may be missing, and it's one of many unanswered questions in the course of this case, but it doesn't count as evidence. And this is important. No remnants of that strap was ever found on that burn pile.

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It's interesting because I was getting briefings from producers who were at the trial, and they felt as though it was going Melody's way, in that this unanswered question of how she could have gotten the body from the house to the burn pile was huge. Right.

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So during the defense close, there was a moment of real drama because the big question, how could she have possibly gotten that 300 pound body to the burn pile? And the attorney brings in these large sacks of rock salt, one bag at a time, dumps it in front of the jury and then keeps talking. Then the next one, boomf.

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eventually getting up to around that 300-pound mark to try to demonstrate whether a person would be able, especially someone of that weight, 120 pounds, would be able to move that weight. But I believe that strategically, this is where the defense attorney made an enormous mistake. What he should have had done then is say, Here's someone from my office. Here's Carol. She's 120 pounds.

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Post Mortem | The Farris Wheel

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Carol, I'd like you to try to move this. Instead, he pulled the tarp. And this is a courtroom. It's a flat floor. It's lacquered. And he pulled it. It was a dramatic... stunt that backfired. There was also this issue of there was just a couple spots of blood inside the house. Prosecutors seized on that and said, well, that's where he must have been shot.

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Post Mortem | The Farris Wheel

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And the blood started in the kitchen, went down some steps into this lower area where that was his bedroom. And there was a door out there that led outside. According to the defense, why wouldn't there have been a bunch more blood there and some blood spatter if he had been shot And also, and this was confirmed by the Ferris daughter, Amanda, just a few days prior to his disappearance.

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Her father had been bitten by Melody's dog on the ankle in the kitchen, and he had bled. And so when our people heard this stuff, for them, there was reasonable doubt out there. But what became the biggest piece of evidence for the jurors was when one of these electronics cell phone experts testified

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that Gary Ferris' cell phone shows that the day after they believe he had been placed in that burn pile, his phone moved from the house to the burn pile and back to the house. And at that time, there was only one person that was on the property who could have done that. And that person was Melody.

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And for jurors, that was the single most important piece of information for them that said, well, no one was at the farm at that time except Melody.

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Yeah. And also that expert analyzed the phone relationship between Melody and her lover, Rusty Barton. They'd had a relationship for several years and they tended to always speak at a certain time in the evening. But on July 3rd, these phone calls went on through the night. There were several of them. And the last call was made around 2.30 in the morning, which was highly unusual.

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And it suggested to people, well, what were they talking about? What had just occurred that might demand a phone call like this? And the speculation is a murder.

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Well, this was high drama. I've been to so many sentencing hearings and none of us knew this was coming. Melody comes alive. She'd been silent throughout this entire trial, unemotional, stoic, not reacting to some of the things that are being said. And all of a sudden, It was like Mount St. Helens, you know, that lava dome had built up and built up.

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Post Mortem | The Farris Wheel

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And now this was her moment and it exploded, it erupted. And she dramatically accuses her own son of being the killer. And the judge, you could tell, was stunned. Everyone was stunned in that room. And looking over at them, they were physically reacting. You know, when you say something so stunning to someone, it's so hurtful. There's a shudder that people will do.

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Post Mortem | The Farris Wheel

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And they were all looking at each other and they were having that shudder reaction. And it was so powerful. And then to have the mother that brought you into this world and raised you and say, not only that, but I can't wait until you are in handcuffs, being led away to prison to spend the rest of your life behind bars. It was absolutely breathtaking experience.

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Post Mortem | Cati Blauvelt: Death of a Soldier’s Wife 

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During the course of our show we played some of the audio that was recorded at the scene after the takedown of John Blauvelt at that woman's property right outside her front door. And one of the marshals interviewed her and we have more sound from that talk that just gives you a sense of the shock that she was experiencing to learn that her partner in life was a killer.

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Well, he's going to appeal his conviction. And then, Kat, you want to talk about what's happening with Hannah?

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She was a sweetheart of a young woman. Those who knew her, she loved animals. She just wanted to get married. She wanted to have a family. Just the shock of what she had hoped for and what her life became. How it ended in this tragic murder is just heartbreaking.

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Post Mortem | Cati Blauvelt: Death of a Soldier’s Wife 

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It's a real solemn, heartbreaking moment. This is the weapon that was one of the last things that Katie Blauvelt saw on this earth. It was selected by her killer. This killer was a trained soldier. He knew how to use knives. And Kinley Abey, the prosecutor, she suggested to me that he knew this would be a painful death.

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Post Mortem | Cati Blauvelt: Death of a Soldier’s Wife 

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And Blauvelt left the knife in her neck, because we know now this was a revenge killing, that he did that on purpose.

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War es also, hat es dich so erstaunt, dass John und Katie hier einander gefunden haben? Es gab dieses Abenteuer. Ich hatte keine Ahnung, woher das kam, was der Plan war. War es seltsam für dich?

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Ali Somerville, one of Katie's friends, told me that he partied with them. And it's shocking behavior.

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Ja, absolut. Das sind 17-Jährige. Und als Vater von einigen Kindern, das ist eine sehr vulnerable Zeit für die Menschen. Und er hat sich nur dafür vorgenommen. Es ist... Ich denke, viele von diesen Kindern haben viel Selbstvertrauen, so wie wir es gesehen haben, und sie haben diesen älteren Lebensstil genossen, den ihre Eltern nicht wussten.

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I don't know. You watch it in the show. I look like Lurch. I'm like nine feet tall.

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I'm six foot three. That's not too tall. But yeah, it looks silly. We had a good laugh in the screening room when we took a look at that. But she was a terrific investigator. Her heart was so into solving this case. The kind of people you want to have in law enforcement.

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Richtig. Und es gibt einen Niveau, einen Niveau der Beweise, der einem Gericht vorgegeben werden muss, um eine Warnung zu bekommen. Das hatten sie nicht ganz, an diesem Punkt. Sie hatten dieses Interview, das ihre Überraschungen sehr erhöhte. Sie wussten, dass das Körper, wo das Körper gefunden wurde, ein Ort war, wo Kinder mit John verheiratet waren.

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Post Mortem | Cati Blauvelt: Death of a Soldier’s Wife 

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So they had pieces of this puzzle, but they just didn't quite have enough. And Blauvelt takes off and he takes off with a 17-year-old girl, Hannah Thompson, with them. They're heading out on the road and this is where a 17-year-old, I think, can be brought into a circumstance psychologically from an adult of his age and his sophistication and his training and all of that.

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I think she was a real victim at this point, being pulled into this horrible situation with a man how much she knew at that point that he had committed murder she learned a lot more later on was the whole thing was just a tragic situation but off she goes in his car and they're heading west

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Well, they supposedly were in love at that point. She told authorities later that she was in love with him.

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Ich habe es nie gemacht. Ich meine, ich fuhr mehrere tausend Meilen und sie haben den Westpazifik und er bekommt sein... Sein Auto ist in der Mütze nahe Walla Walla, Washington. Du erinnerst dich wahrscheinlich von Bugs Bunny-Kartons. Und sie müssen weglaufen. Und sie leben ihre Leben im Grunde als unabhängige Menschen. Sie haben Geld für Essen gekostet. Sie schliefen ziemlich viel draußen.

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Und etwa einen Monat später, in dieser Reise, geht er weg, laut ihr. Und sie ruft ihre Eltern an.

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um uns zu vermeiden, denn diese US-Marschallen sind unglaubliche Investitionen. Ich habe viele Stunden mit diesen Leuten gearbeitet und es gibt etwas über sie, dass sie sehr ruhig sind. Ihre Persönlichkeiten dominieren keine Raum, aber sie sind so fixiert.

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Wenn ich eine kurze Geschichte machen kann, was sie mich erinnern, als ich jung war, als ich ein Teenager war, hatten wir ein paar Küken in unserem Haus. Wir hatten einen namens Charlie und wir haben uns entschieden, Charlie wegzugeben. Meine Mutter fand eine Familie und führte Charlie drei Meilen nach Hause. Am nächsten Tag sagt die Familie, Charlie ist weg.

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Zwei Tage später zeigt Charlie unser Haus auf. Das ist ein US Marshal. Sie erscheinen plötzlich aus der Blut. Wie hat das geschehen? Und diese Leute sind patient und sie finden diese kleinen Zeichen und sie fangen Leute auf dem Selbstvertrauen-Niveau herunter. Und es kann einige Jahre dauern. Ich habe sie gefunden, einen Mann in einem berühmten mexikanischen Dorf. Und in diesem Fall

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Post Mortem | Cati Blauvelt: Death of a Soldier’s Wife 

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John Blauvelt hat all his training used and brilliantly ended up in Medford, Oregon with a woman who had no idea who he was and was living low and thought, I'm sure, that there was no way they would find him.

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Ah, aber er hatte eine identifizierende Fähigkeit, die er nicht verschwenden konnte, die er nicht ändern konnte. Und das war ein Piraten-Tattoo, das auf seinem Arm war. Er hatte auch andere Tattoos. Ja. Aber als er für seine Interview auf der Kamera ging, die Interview, bevor er flieg, hat er eine kurze Schuhe geschnitten. Erinnere dich, ob er eine lange Schuhe geschnitten hätte.

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Und sie wussten das nicht. Aber da haben sie die Tattoos erkannt. Und diese Marshalen, sie fokussieren sich darauf. Wir haben einen Identifizierer.

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Es ist schwierig, Annemarie, weil sie weiß, dass sie ihre Star-Witness sein wird in jedem Gerichtsverfahren gegen Blau-Welt. Und es ist also ein leckerer Tanz hier.

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Und wo sie einige der Punkte hier verbunden haben, erinnere dich daran, dass sein Fahrrad in Washington in den Müll gefangen wurde. Als Hannah ihre Eltern angerufen hat, war sie in Oregon. Und so, als sie auf diesem Telefon entdeckt haben, dass er diese Frau geschrieben hat, lebte diese Frau in Medford, Oregon, also geografisch. The news was tightening.

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They said, this must be the area that he is in. And don't forget, at this point, he was Ben Klein. He was not John Blauvelt. He had changed his name, which would make it even more difficult to try to identify this guy. But they were able to get her address and she was an upstanding woman in the community, a full-time job.

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She was the breadwinner in the family and John was sort of a stay-at-home partner for her. In fact, when they observed him one day, I think he was putting together, was it a portable swimming pool out on the yard? Do you remember that cat?

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Jemand, den ich nicht kennen würde, außer für das Tattoo. Also, diese neue Freundin ist überrascht.

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Post Mortem | It’s About Danni

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and then get away with it for almost 28 years, had plenty of chances to do it again. Wow.

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Post Mortem | It’s About Danni

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Well, it all depends on who you talk to. And we spoke with a lot of people involved in this investigation. And I have to admit, I remain baffled to this day. Why not say that this was a murder? The killer knew it was a murder, right? I understand details of the investigation. You may not want a suspect to know, right? But just the basic fact as to whether or not it's a murder is

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Post Mortem | It’s About Danni

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I've never seen anybody quite melt down like that. It was like the Wicked Witch and the Wizard of Oz melting down at the end. That's what I saw. He went from being calm and collected to sweating. He was very nervous. They pointed out that he leaned back in the chair to get as far away from them as he possibly could. Psychologically, he wanted out of that room.

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I thought one thing that was profound that I just wanted to read is almost kind of a final thought from Stephanie. This was at the press conference. She said, I celebrate that a violent predator is no longer able to victimize other women and girls. I celebrate that my fight for my sister is over. celebration for me is short-lived.

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It's quickly replaced with a tangled mess of frustration, disbelief, and anger." Of course, that is part of the profound nature of murder, isn't it? It just never quite goes away inside any of these victims. But in this case, I think Stephanie really accomplished this extraordinary feat in her life and gave honor to her sister's memory.

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Post Mortem | It’s About Danni

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That still baffles me to this day. And it baffled people back in the day in 1996 in Montana. Deputy Farquhar could not believe what his sheriff's department was putting out there. He still can't explain. He's still baffled. And Deputy Farquhar, who today is a veterinarian, ended up leaving eventually the sheriff's department out of frustration in all of this. So

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Post Mortem | It’s About Danni

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It is one of these things that is baffling to me. But some of our people ended up speaking to the sheriff back in the day.

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And back in 1996, he told the media that there was no evidence of foul play. And we can say we know today that simply was not true.

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And again, this is a first for me. I've never known a law enforcement agency at any level to withhold from the public that it was a murder, to suggest that it was an accident or may have been an accident. As you said, everyone downshifts, Anne Marie, right? They're not as concerned. They don't have a threat in the community. They're not racking their brains.

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What did I see that day in that area, in this public fishing area? And there could have been opportunity lost there.

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And the thing about Stephanie, all these years, she had always promised her sister in her thoughts that she was not going to let this case die. And it just reached a point where now was the time, as Lauren said, for her to move forward. And she is the champion in this and one of the most compelling characters I have ever interviewed for a 48 Hours episode.

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I think everyone touched by this case was haunted by it all this time. Keep in mind, Sheriff Dan Springer, he'd just been on the job for five days with the Gallatin County Sheriff's Department when Danny's body was found. And if there's one thing that we learned in this, Sheriff Dan Springer's a man of absolute integrity.

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Post Mortem | It’s About Danni

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And once he became the big dog, you know, the sheriff in the department, this case that haunted him as well He wanted to return to it and looked Stephanie in the eye and said, we are going to solve this. He played such a crucial role in this.

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Post Mortem | It’s About Danni

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Well, meeting this guy, you instantly love him. I mean, Lauren was there too. We're just having a brief conversation about how he got involved with this. He starts talking about Danny and tears come to his eyes. He tears up. This is a guy who was a tough LAPD police captain, right? He'd seen everything in Los Angeles County. and investigated every kind of crime.

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Post Mortem | It’s About Danni

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But when law enforcement people retire, they oftentimes get in the private security business. He has a business, a number of employees, so he kept his network of contacts out there. And eventually, Sheriff Springer learns of his presence, this wealth of experience and investigative talent, is, you know, living on the top of a mountain just outside of town.

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Post Mortem | It’s About Danni

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Hey, good to see you again, Anne-Marie.

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And Springer reached out to him and Elfmont said yes, which is, of course, crucial in this case.

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Post Mortem | It’s About Danni

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It's like a time machine. They're able to go back generations and then work their way forward to find someone. It's almost magic. It really is.

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Post Mortem | It’s About Danni

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Well, remember, once they get that DNA readings, they're able to then get into DNA databases, and they found this link to the suspect Hutchinson. So for CeCe, who's been doing this for a while, it's extraordinarily exciting. It's what she lives for. But it's also a very sobering thing because now you can go to that person's social media. She learned that Hutchinson was a big time hunter.

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He's married, has two kids, and she realizes that these people's lives are about to go off a cliff when she brings this forward. So it's excitement and that is tempered a bit with this sobering reality of what the consequences will be. But finally, it is the path to justice.

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And also the Gallatin County Sheriff's Office, they sent out a bulletin to other law enforcement agencies in the state of Montana to see if they have any cold cases linked to Hutchinson. And that's the big question is, will they find other cases in this? And Stephanie herself, she ends up saying in our hour, I think that anyone who is able to rape and murder a young girl

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Post Mortem | The Blackout Murder of Livye Lewis

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And remember, Matthew Edgar's defense and his story was so outrageous and offensive to the family that he was so drunk that he doesn't remember this killing. Right. Despite the fact that while he was inebriated, he was sending text messages and talking to people and driving an automobile and stuff. It was a ridiculous story.

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Post Mortem | The Blackout Murder of Livye Lewis

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Yeah. And she was an outlier in that she was academically accomplished. She had goals in life. She was going to university and she had her escape. It was right there in front of her. And yet that That culture pulled her back in.

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Post Mortem | The Blackout Murder of Livye Lewis

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It was really heartbreaking. We got to know Darcy, who admits in her own life she's made a lot of mistakes, but Livy for her was her accomplishment. giving birth, raising that young girl who became successful. She was her dream child. And it was everything in her life that gave her meaning is that I raised this extraordinary person.

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Post Mortem | The Blackout Murder of Livye Lewis

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With all the mistakes that I made along the way, look what I've produced. And to have that taken away. When you're at that little memorial, for Darcy, it means just everything. It's just precious. And she tends to it. And She feels the presence of her daughter there, and it's just awful. At the end of the day, murder reverberates and destroys so many other people's lives, and poor Darcy.

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Post Mortem | The Blackout Murder of Livye Lewis

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I hope she can get back on the rails, but this is such a blow, because her daughter was everything.

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Post Mortem | The Blackout Murder of Livye Lewis

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So it turns out that before becoming Livvy's boyfriend, Matthew Edgar, had not one, not two, but three high-speed chases in one day with law enforcement. Wow. The last one ended up in an accident in which the deputy chasing him had a broken leg, and he was arrested.

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Post Mortem | The Blackout Murder of Livye Lewis

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When we learned about this, we talked with Darcy, Libby's mom, about it, and I said, you know, as a parent myself, I said, well, did you warn your daughter to stay away from Matthew Edgar? And she goes, no. If I did that, I'd be judging him. And I don't like to judge people. And besides, I've made some mistakes in my life. So it's just kind of a different way of thinking.

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We are taken aback. At the very start of the hour to the death scene, and you're hearing the shrieks of Darcy, the mom, and where's my baby? Where is she? And it was so real and devastating.

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Most protocols with law enforcement, there would be an officer who would approach her, come over here, come sit in my squad car. We'll talk to you about the situation to allow her out there to just shout and scream and be ignored. And those, you know, those cold stares back at her were just terrible.

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Post Mortem | The Blackout Murder of Livye Lewis

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And she was sensing, of course, that her daughter was gone and no one was telling her, but it was torture. Yeah.

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Where's my baby? Where is she? Where is my daughter? What happened to her? And they just stared at her. And that is not protocol. That was a mistake. And they admitted later that that was handled very poorly. There was one character, though, that both of us just really fell for. the Sabine County Sheriff's investigator, J.P. McDonough. And J.P. was just right out of Central Cassidy.

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He had the perfect Texas sounding voice. And his initial interviewing of Matthew Edgar on that stretcher that you'll see, if you haven't seen the hour yet, it's unlike anything I have had on 48 Hours Before. Sheriff's body cams capturing this bloody suspect lying down, and J.P. does a masterful job of connecting with him and getting him to open up.

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And the questioning went on and on, and you're sitting there going, Matthew, you're digging yourself a hole here. And he eventually talked his way into getting arrested by the end of it. But J.P. McDonough, he was a really smart, rural guy, knew how to talk to the locals, and he did a great job.

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This is one of the strangest aspects of this story for Judy and me is. On that deputy's body cam, and you're looking at Matthew Edgar's face, it is covered in blood. And to this day, they still don't know whose blood it is. You know, there was a theory that it was Bobby Ozan, this man who they were partying at that house.

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Post Mortem | The Blackout Murder of Livye Lewis

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And they had a little struggle outside by this automobile as Matthew Edgar was trying to give chase to Livy.

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And it was a great get by Judy because he had the front row seat, as we like to say, to all of this. And he knew the intricacies of these relationships. And he's also a great storyteller. And as a quick aside, by the way, he has a hobby on the side. He catches giant catfish with his bare hands. And he showed us a video.

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It is incredible. He goes underwater. He said he can hold his breath up to two minutes. And then all of a sudden he comes out and he's put his arm all the way down the throat of a giant catfish that may weigh 25, 30 pounds and pulls it out of the water. It's the darndest thing you've ever seen.

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This relationship that these people had and the fact that he had beaten her in the past, it was the drink and argue and fight, make up, rinse, repeat, do it again. Right. But no one ever thought this would lead to murder.

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They take care of their own. They take care of their own circumstances. We don't need a deputy here. You and I will take care of it. It may end up in a fist fight. It may end up in some slapping around, some screaming and shouting, but eventually they'll sort it out and tomorrow's another day.

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Post Mortem | The Blackout Murder of Livye Lewis

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Yeah, when they were married, she put her name on his clothes and hers. The other thing, though, the connection that they had was that, remember, Edgar had texted Montana that Libby was dead.

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Post Mortem | The Blackout Murder of Livye Lewis

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There was a multi-agency investigation into this murder, and all of the investigators concluded that Montana had nothing to do with the death of Libby Lewis.

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And after he was released on bail, he was arrested again for assaulting Montana. And this time bail was set at $325,000. And the family, they were able to pay that bond. Now, it's usually 10% down, but that's $32,000 they'd have to come up with to get him out.

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This is the second time this season I've had that happen on a story where the defendant just didn't show up. And yeah, they're looking around and obviously, where'd he go? And imagine being the defense attorney in this case, too, where you're trying to come up with something that can spare him and he flees its curtains after that, to say the least.

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Driven To Death

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I've always been told I'm a really good listener, right? And I maximized that while I was lying.

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I've always been told I'm a really good listener, right? And I maximized that while I was lying.

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I've always been told I'm a really good listener, right? And I maximized that while I was lying.

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Introducing Trained to Kill

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I can only describe it as evil. something horrible, something terrible.

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Trained to Kill: The Dog Trainer, the Heiress and the Bodyguard

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Hello, listeners. It's 48 Hours correspondent Peter Van Sant. Today, I have a special episode to share with you from my new podcast, Trained to Kill, the dog trainer, the heiress, and the bodyguard. You are about to hear the bizarre story of celebrity dog trainer Mark Stover, who was known as the dog whisperer of the Pacific Northwest.

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Linda grew up camping, fishing, and hunting. They connected over a love for nature and the open air. What started purely as business turned personal, and they set out to build a relationship and a successful company at the same time. They were coming together despite being from two different worlds. While Mark's family had struggled, Linda Updike was the daughter of a millionaire.

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And tell me also about your father. He's a famous man in the state of Washington, a very successful man in the state of Washington.

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That's a very famous winery in Washington, sold all over the world.

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That's Nancy Corbin, Linda's mother. She admits that she wasn't entirely thrilled when Mark and Linda started dating.

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Nancy let her daughter make her own choices and was even supportive when Mark and Linda decided to go into business together. Linda said she'd been interested in opening a dog boarding business. In 1992, Linda and Mark opened Island Dog Adventures. Linda ran the boarding part of the company, and Mark handled the dog training. You essentially were the CEO, right?

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Mark was Mark Stover, Stephanie's next-door neighbor and her boss. Stephanie was a dog trainer at Mark's facility in Anacortes, Washington, an island community about 80 miles north of Seattle. He had built a successful business working with the dogs of the rich and famous and had earned the nickname the Dog Whisperer of the Pacific Northwest. That morning, Stephanie made her short commute to work.

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Linda thought Mark's reputation in the industry helped. and her parents leased Linda the perfect place to set up shop.

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Kickett Island and the surrounding area once belonged to the Swinomish tribe. Besides a clearing for some buildings, the island is a thick forest with tall Douglas firs and Western red cedars.

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Their house was at the end of a long, narrow driveway that felt like you were almost entering Jurassic Park. The sprawling property filled with wildflowers, hills, and beaches made it seem otherworldly. Business started booming. Over time, Island Dog Adventures turned into a million-dollar operation.

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Linda said that despite their success, Mark started to become obsessed with money, tightly controlling her spending.

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You guys have a million-dollar business. He's upset that you bought an avocado.

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Most of their attention was going to the business and not each other.

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Despite her concerns, Linda was committed to making things work.

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On May 17th, 2002, Mark and Linda were married in a small wedding at the Four Seasons Hotel in Las Vegas. She was 38. He was 50.

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Victoria, Mark's sister, showed me photos from the wedding.

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Mark has on a dark suit, and Linda is wearing a black dress holding a white bouquet of flowers.

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But Mark seemed different to Linda after the wedding.

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Linda wanted to move off the island, but she said Mark dug in his heels. He wanted to stay.

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She assumed Mark had already left to meet a client in Seattle.

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Linda said she watched Mark's whole demeanor intensify.

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According to Linda, Mark developed a reputation for threatening locals. He would even use his dogs to intimidate people.

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After nearly 14 years together, including three years of marriage, Linda decided that she couldn't do this anymore.

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she moved out of their home. Linda left the island that was owned by her family to start anew, set off on a new path alone. But she said Mark followed.

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The fallout from their collapsed marriage started a nasty back and forth that would culminate in that bloody scene at Mark's house.

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Coming up on Trained to Kill, the dog trainer, the heiress, and the bodyguard.

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From 48 hours, this is Trained to Kill. The dog trainer, the heiress, and the bodyguard. Produced by Sony Music Entertainment. I'm your host, Peter Van Sant. Judy Tigard is the executive producer of 48 Hours. Original reporting by 48 Hours producers Ryan Smith and Liza Finley. Jamie Benson is the senior producer for Paramount Audio and Maura Waltz is the senior story editor.

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Mark had a reputation as a bit of a pit bull, intimidating and impatient.

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Recording assistance from Alan Pang and Reginald Bazile. Special thanks to Paramount Podcast Vice President Megan Marcus. It is written and produced by Alex Schumann. Stephanie Serrano is our editor. Our executive producer is Shira Morris. Our associate producer is Zoe Culkin. Theme and original music composed by Hansdale Shee. Cedric Wilson is our sound designer and mixed the episodes.

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We also use music from APM and Epidemic Sounds. Fendall Fulton is our fact checker. Our production manager is Tamika Balans-Kolasny. I'm Peter Van Sant. If you're enjoying the show, be sure to rate and review. It helps more people find it and hear our reporting. You can listen to Train to Kill early and ad-free right now by subscribing to 48 Hours Plus on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for listening.

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Then Stephanie went up to the house to the bathroom. As she walked up the driveway, she saw tire marks from the car and some spots of blood on the gravel. Stephanie assumed that the blood belonged to Ding, Mark's guard dog. Ding recently had surgery.

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The blood wasn't the only sign something was wrong.

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Stephanie stepped inside. She noticed a bedroom door that was usually never shut was closed. And as she went into the house, Stephanie saw three big spots on the floor. Did they have a color?

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Trained to Kill: The Dog Trainer, the Heiress and the Bodyguard

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He trained the dogs of the rich and famous with clients including music stars, athletes, and top business executives. But this story isn't just about a dog trainer. It's one of obsession, control, and murder. Here's the first episode.

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Stephanie was worried. She kept calling Mark, but he never answered. Stephanie hoped the blood was from Ding's surgical wounds. She was doing her best to avoid imagining the worst. But the next morning, when she came back to work, she was startled to see Ding sitting by the back door.

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Stephanie called 911. Mark's new girlfriend had also called the police after not hearing from him. Soon after, sheriff's deputies arrived on scene. Investigators believed the bleach, the blood, and Mark's vanishing act all added up to one inescapable conclusion.

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But detectives had no idea they were about to step into a hall of mirrors where nothing was as it seemed.

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They soon discovered a story tangled in obsession.

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Trained to Kill: The Dog Trainer, the Heiress and the Bodyguard

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We have some of the truth, but we don't have all of it. But who was the hunter and who was the hunted? I'm Peter Van Sant. From 48 Hours, this is Trained to Kill. The dog trainer, the heiress, and the bodyguard. Episode 1, Puppy Love. The coastline of Washington State, just north of Seattle, is one of the most beautiful places on earth.

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Back in the 1800s, my ancestors were homesteaders on an island not far from Anacortes, Washington. It's gone now, but one of my great-greats even had a small apple orchard on Orcas Island. Anacortes is the gateway to the San Juan Islands. where ferry boats depart to these wooded jewels.

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I go hiking, swimming, and fishing for Dungeness crabs, and have always considered the small harbor towns here my gateway into tranquility and peace. That's why I was stunned when 48 Hours first got word about this murder. And then I learned that at the center of it all was a celebrity dog trainer.

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That's Victoria Simmons, Mark Stover's younger sister. She said some of Mark's clients included Eddie Vedder from Pearl Jam, longtime Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz, and Seattle mariner Ichiro Suzuki.

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Mark offered private training lessons. He could teach basic obedience, but his wealthiest clients wanted him to train their pets to become protection dogs. This is audio from a video of Mark training a dog. He's standing in what looks like a gravel driveway, wearing a dark raincoat and his trademark brown hat with a round brim.

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The dog sprints and bites hard enough to lock onto Mark's leg, which is covered in padding. And a tug of war ensues between the growling dog and Mark. Mark commands the dog to stand down. Right away, the dog lays on the ground looking straight ahead and awaits the next command.

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His niece Julia, Victoria's daughter, said Mark sometimes expressed his love for dogs in eccentric ways.

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She said it smelled horrible. But one day, they went for a drive.

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But Mark didn't start out rich at all. In fact, just the opposite. And his upbringing was far from easy.

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This is Victoria again, Mark's sister. They grew up in the Seattle area in the 1950s and 1960s.

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Their mother's second marriage also then fell apart.

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Mark struggled in school. According to Victoria, the family didn't know how to help him.

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And then their mother's third husband died of cancer.

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The German Shepherd puppy was named Gunter. While maybe odd, the gift would be a godsend.

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Mark got in touch with the family's old vet. He encouraged Mark to join the Washington State Search and Rescue Canine Unit.

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Mark eventually started to train dogs in private sessions where he'd go to people's homes. In a news article from 1981, Mark is described as a disciple of the famous behavioral psychologist B.F. Skinner. Skinner studied how rewards and punishment can condition behavior in humans. Mark applied that to dogs by training them with punishment and reward.

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I believe he was. As for cats, Mark was once quoted saying that he didn't like cats because he wants something he can control. He added, dogs are easy to change. It's people that are hard to change. See, I can't put a choke chain around them.

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It was 2009, three days before Halloween, a time when the boundaries between the living and the dead become blurred. Stephanie Poore said the dogs next door were going crazy. And they were upset and it was loud.

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Mark started training dogs in the 1970s, and by the 1980s was a well-established canine guru. Mark never married during that time. Then, in the early 90s, when Mark was nearing 40, a wealthy potential client called.

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Linda Updike was the daughter of Wally Updike, one of the wealthiest businessmen in the state of Washington.

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Mark and Linda met regularly to train her dog. A bond was starting to form.

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Mark definitely had a way with dogs, and at times, he could be charismatic with people.

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After eight or nine months, their relationship evolved. And even though Linda was 12 years younger than Mark, his sister says Linda was his type.

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For one of their first dates, Mark asked her to go fishing.

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The Farris Wheel

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In 2009, three days before Halloween, a grisly crime stunned the seaport town of Anacortes, Washington.

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It made Melody turn against her children because the children were spending money. But Melody claims she was only upset because the children were taking advantage of their father's wealth.

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The Farris Wheel

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Chris says he and his father did not argue over money. Detective Hayes looked into the agreement Gary had struck with Scott. He worked on the farm and Gary gave him spending money.

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The Farris Wheel

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And who was paying for all of this?

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The Farris Wheel

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But Scott says that's not true at all and that the arrangement he had with his father worked well for both of them.

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The Farris Wheel

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There was no mooching. Scott says it was actually Melody who'd run into a financial roadblock with Gary, largely because of her lavish spending on her affair with Rusty.

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The Farris Wheel

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So what you're saying is that it was Melody who was facing the potential of having her money lifeline cut off? Pretty much, yes. Was he angry at your spending?

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The Farris Wheel

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They soon discovered a story tangled in obsession. Who was the hunter and who was the hunted? Follow and listen to Train to Kill, the dog trainer, the heiress, and the bodyguard on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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The Farris Wheel

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While Melody and Rusty lived in different states, cell phone records show they lived their lives in constant communication. She's on the phone with him every hour of every day. including the early morning hours of July 4th, 2018, a day and a half before Gary was found. When questioned by investigators, Rusty told them that Melody had said something alarming.

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The Farris Wheel

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At that time, only the killer could have known Gary was on the burn pile. Had Melody Ferris confessed to murder, As the investigation continued, she was now the detective's number one suspect. I told them everything I knew. Scott remembered something that happened with his mother the day before Gary vanished. It now seems like foreshadowing.

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The Farris Wheel

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Gary Ferris himself took out his phone and recorded this video. This is what happens when you leave a plate. Of the plate shards scattered on the ground. Three days later, he was dead. On June 18, 2019, after an almost 12-month investigation, detectives say they had gathered enough evidence to charge Melody Ferris with the murder of her husband, Gary. Why did it take a year to arrest Melody?

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The Farris Wheel

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But for Detective Hayes, there were unanswered questions. How did Melody get Gary's body out the basement door and to the burn pile about 50 yards away? She weighs, what, 130 pounds? Around that, I believe. And Gary is 6'4", 6'5", 300 pounds. How in the world could that woman have moved that body? With the tractor, with the RTV. Two pieces of machinery that were found on the farm.

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The Farris Wheel

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Hayes sees the two vehicles as evidence. This is what we're looking at, these two vehicles. He took me to the lot where they are stored. How could each of these vehicles have been used to get Gary's body onto that pile?

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What did you find as your forensic people took a look at these vehicles?

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Can you show me where?

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Gary's blood. But nothing was found in the front bucket. On the RTV, Hayes says Melody's blood was found on one of the gear shifters. Nothing was found in the back. Hayes considered other scenarios.

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Is there any blood that was discovered going from the house to the burn pile?

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So this still remains a mystery, doesn't it? It does. A mystery, too, for prosecutors Megan Frankish and Jeffrey Fogus.

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The case took more than five years to bring to trial. During that time, a deep divide formed in the Ferris family. Three of the children, Chris, Scott, and Emily, were all convinced their mother murdered their father. Gary and Melody's youngest child, Amanda, believed in Melody's innocence.

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What did it mean for you that your daughter Amanda stood by you during all this time and has believed in your innocence?

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Ladies and gentlemen, the jury. When the trial finally began in October 2024, prosecutors Megan Frankish and Jeffrey Fogus spoke to jurors with absolute certainty.

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The motive?

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According to prosecutors, Melody wanted Gary dead so she could cash in on his multi-million dollar assets and live happily ever after with her lover of the past four years, Rusty Barton. Why shouldn't people believe you had the greatest motive to murder Gary?

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Prosecutors say on the evening of July 3rd, two days before Gary's body was found, Gary and Melody got into a fight in the kitchen, and Melody shot him.

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In their opening statement, defense attorneys Michael Ray and John Luke Weaver attacked the prosecution's claims and told jurors there's a harmless explanation for those blood drops.

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You would expect far more blood. And daughter Amanda would testify she saw that wound on her dad's leg. The defense also argued Melody is innocent. Questions without answers. And raised those questions about how Gary's body got to the burn pile.

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The defense also raised questions about the murder weapon.

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They offered up an alternative suspect, Melody's own son. And his motive would be? Financial. He wanted the property.

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The defense argues that Scott, from the very beginning, tried to draw attention of investigators away from him.

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Raise your right hand. When the prosecution put Scott Ferris on the stand, they asked him directly.

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He was the glue to our family. Sitting just feet away, Melody says Scott's testimony was an act.

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On cross-examination, the defense pointed out that Scott, at 6'8", 280 pounds, was the only person on the farm physically capable of moving Gary's 300-pound body.

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All right, raise your right hand. To help establish a motive for murder, prosecutors called Melody's lover, Rusty Barton, to the stand.

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He's charming. He's smart. And he says... he captured the heart of married Melody Ferris.

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Tell the jury what you said. Fogus also asked Rusty about that incriminating call.

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Remember, Rusty had told investigators that call had taken place before Gary was found. But a year later, after Melody was arrested, Rusty changed his story, saying the call happened after the body was discovered. He said he had the dates wrong.

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But prosecutor Fogus didn't buy it and claims Rusty was trying to help Melody. Do you believe him?

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At the time of the murder, Rusty was hours away in Tennessee. He was never charged with anything relating to the death of Gary Farris. More witnesses would testify, and later, Melody, who was silent throughout the trial, would address the court in a dramatic and explosive statement that would leave her family reeling.

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Day after day, Melody Ferris faced witnesses determined to see her pay for the alleged murder of her husband.

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She's my mother. None seemed more dogged than her own children, like Chris. I just had my suspicions that she had something to do with this. Her daughter, Emily.

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Can you describe what it was like to watch each of your children take the stand?

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Because...

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I have to tell you, you seemed so stoic during all of it.

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Melody says three of her children are trying to pin their father's murder on her for one simple reason.

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One of the final witnesses called by prosecutors was Lindsey Harris, who leads the Intelligence Division in the Cherokee County Sheriff's Office.

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Harris says she was able to track the precise movements of Gary Farris' cell phone on the family farm because Gary had an Android phone with its Google location services turned on.

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Harris discovered that on the morning of July 4th, when investigators believe Gary's body was already on the burn pile, his cell phone moved from the house to the burn pile and back to the house.

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Prosecutors say that someone could only have been Melody Ferris.

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Lindsay Harris says that during that time, Scott's phone was miles away from the farm.

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The defense tries to challenge this seemingly powerful evidence by questioning the accuracy of Harris' findings.

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The defense called seven witnesses. One of them was Gary and Melody's youngest daughter, Amanda.

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Frankish, you can go ahead. It was now time to wrap this case up with closing arguments.

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In their closing, the defense did some heavy lifting to demonstrate how difficult it would be for someone Melody's size to somehow get her 300-pound husband onto that burn pile.

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On October 30th, 2024, the jury got the case. But after three days of deliberations, they sent a note to the judge saying they were deadlocked. The judge told them to give it one more try.

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And just a few hours later... All right, I understand y'all reached a verdict.

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Melody Ferris was found guilty on all five counts against her, including malice murder, felony murder, and making false statements.

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Jurors Sheila Albright and Chris Hyatt say the cell phone evidence convinced them of Melody's guilt.

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As for the question of how Gary got to the burn pile, Sheila Albright had a theory.

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For Scott and some members of the Ferris family, the guilty verdict brought relief, even though their own mother was now a convicted murderer.

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But there would be no love shown by Melody at her sentencing when she was given the opportunity to express remorse and ask the judge for leniency.

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But instead of asking the judge for mercy... I want the world to know who did this. ...she named who she said was the real killer.

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But Melody was far from done tormenting her son.

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When Melody Ferris used her sentencing hearing to accuse her son Scott of being Gary's true murderer, some of those in the courtroom were floored.

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Scott, sitting behind his mother with his family, simply stared in disbelief.

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Judge David Cannon had little patience. All right, Ms. Ferris, I'm going to cut you off. But Melody persisted.

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Instead, it was Melody who would be led away in chains.

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The 64-year-old was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole after 30 years. She also received an additional five years for concealing Gary's death by burning his remains and making a false statement to police. Melody didn't take the stand in her trial. Instead, she chose to tell her story exclusively to 48 Hours.

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I just watched one of the most extraordinary moments inside a courtroom that I have ever seen in my career. What do you want people to know about you and this case?

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Melody claims she hadn't spoken up until now out of maternal loyalty. She says her own mother, now deceased, suspected Scott all along and asked Melody to take the blame. But now her time as Scott's shield was over. Melody says she believes Scott set her up from the beginning. And she says she knows why.

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You understand, though, that to people listening to this, they're thinking, here is a mother willing to sacrifice her son to save her own skin. What would you say to that?

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Melody stands by her claim that Gary was getting ready to cut Scott off financially.

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But Scott says Gary never issued an ultimatum that he'd get a job and never accused him of not pulling his weight.

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Melody says she told Detective Hayes she'd seen Scott acting suspiciously the day before Gary's body was found.

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Did she tell you that? No.

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Despite a sentence that will likely mean spending the rest of her life in prison, Melody remains determined to prove her innocence. One day you believe you will walk a free woman again?

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And for those who believe you got exactly what you deserved, you say... I didn't do it.

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In 2009, three days before Halloween, a grisly crime stunned the seaport town of Anacortes, Washington.

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They soon discovered a story tangled in obsession. Who was the hunter and who was the hunted? Follow and listen to Train to Kill, the dog trainer, the heiress, and the bodyguard on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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On July 5th, 2018, Detective Daniel Hayes of the Cherokee County Sheriff's Office, north of Atlanta, responded to a most unusual call. A human body in a burn pile. Had you ever received a call like that in your career?

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The body was later identified as 58-year-old Gary Ferris, the larger-than-life, 300-pound patriarch of the Ferris estate. now reduced to skeletal remains. Detective Hayes learned Gary Ferris was a wealthy commercial real estate attorney married to Melody Ferris. They raised four children, Chris, Scott, Emily, and Amanda.

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Hayes also learned Gary and Melody were married for 38 years and lived in this house on their beautifully manicured 10-acre farm. Son Scott, who had served in the Army, managed the day-to-day operations at the farm and lived in an apartment above the barn.

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It was a seemingly idyllic life until Gary Ferris' remains were discovered on that burn pile.

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Melody told Hayes the last time she saw Gary alive was during the evening on Tuesday, July 3rd, 2018.

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And that's it? That was the last time?

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Melody told Detective Hayes her husband then went down to his bedroom in the basement. Gary had sleep apnea and slept alone with his CPAP machine. Scott said he had also last seen his father on July 3rd at lunch. Scott spent the rest of the day out with his friends. He returned home that night around 11.30 and says he immediately noticed a glow in the distance.

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The next day, July 4th, Scott and Melody told investigators they didn't encounter Gary. It was not unusual not to see Gary. It wasn't until the next day, July 5th, Melody says, she realized Gary was missing. Two of the grandchildren who had spent the night asked to ride the RTV, or rough terrain vehicle, with Gary, who they called Big Daddy.

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Daughter Amanda was there too. Son Chris arrived soon after, and all the adults started searching the property. until Scott noticed some bones among the ashes at the burn pile. I'll never forget it until the day I die.

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When the forensic team arrived, they began documenting the burn pile. working past dark to sift through the ashes. That's when the bullet was found lodged in Gary's rib, and what had started as a possible accidental death became a murder investigation. Why would somebody want to burn a body? Cover up a crime. You destroy evidence.

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Elsewhere, investigators searched the house, the barn, even the pond. They found a shotgun in the house. Several other guns and ammunition were discovered in the barn. Both Melody and Scott allowed investigators to test their hands for accelerants. the tests came back negative. Scott also told the detectives something intriguing. He had recently seen a pistol in the basement that was now missing.

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It was just very odd. And another thing Scott found odd was that his mom had his dad's wallet.

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As Hayes' investigation continued, he was learning all about the Ferris family's dysfunctional dynamic, which came to be known as the Ferris wheel. In a tape-recorded conversation with Melody, she told him there had been tension between Gary and Scott.

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But when detectives asked Scott what he thought happened, he pointed the finger of suspicion at his mother.

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With the Ferris wheel starting to turn, detectives asked Scott if his father was having an affair.

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Hayes then asked Melody if she was having an affair. What did she tell you? She said no. Police focused in on what appeared to be drops of blood on the kitchen floor, the stairs leading to the basement, and on the basement floor itself. When spots in the basement were tested, they were confirmed to be Gary's blood.

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Police also found a .38 caliber bullet on the basement floor, the same type found lodged in Gary's rib bone from the burn pile. And does that suggest in any way some sort of progression of an attack on Gary?

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Detective Hayes asked Melody, point blank, if she had anything to do with the death of her husband.

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Hayes was skeptical. Investigators had found in Melody's purse birth control and a credit card with another man's name on it, Roy Barton. When someone's lying to you, what does that suggest? They're guilty of something. In 2009, three days before Halloween, a grisly crime stunned the seaport town of Anacortes, Washington.

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They soon discovered a story tangled in obsession. Who was the hunter and who was the hunted? Follow and listen to Train to Kill, the dog trainer, the heiress, and the bodyguard on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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When that credit card was found in Melody's purse, investigators did not recognize the name on it. It's Roy Barton. Later found out it's Rusty Barton. Rusty Barton was a farm equipment salesman who spent time on the road in central Tennessee. In 2014, Melody was helping take care of Rusty's ill stepmother, who happened to be her cousin. That's when Rusty and Melody became intimate.

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Investigators wanted to know more about the couple. How serious is this relationship between Melody and Rusty?

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You know if you were planning on getting married, it sounds like a motive for murder.

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Scott says Melody and Rusty's love affair was the world's worst kept secret.

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Including Gary. And when daughter Emily got married in 2016, Melody scandalized the wedding by inviting her lover for all to see.

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Was the Ferris family a happy family? No.

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That wasn't a nice move on your part, was it?

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It seemed the Ferris wheel was spinning faster, with household drama becoming more frequent.

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A soap opera, Hayes believed, that revolved around what Gary had and others coveted—money. A lot of bickering, a lot of fights over money, a lot of jealousy. Gary had always been generous toward his children, even as adults. Investigators learned he helped Emily buy a house and financially assisted son Chris with his business and children.

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Peter Van Sant reports, Katie Blauvelt, the death of a soldier's wife.

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Hannah Thompson's trial date is still pending. John Blauvelt is appealing his conviction. If you or someone you know is experiencing domestic violence, the National Domestic Violence Hotline can be reached at 1-800-799-7233 or text START to 88788.

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In 2021, with Danny's family now knowing the explosive truth, solving Danny's murder would become a top priority for newly appointed sheriff Dan Springer. You were rookie deputy when this crime came down, right?

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Sheriff Springer reached out to Stephanie.

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Now determined to set things right, Springer reached outside the department to a most unusual investigator, Tom Elfmont.

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He'd spent a lifetime in tough jobs, from a soldier in Vietnam to a cop working the streets of LA. I wanted to put bad people in jail. And after a conversation with Sheriff Springer, he was also drawn to Danny's case. She was a great kid.

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And with Elfmont leading the way, he soon found a suspect.

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How were you informed that Dani was gone?

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Did you ever think coming out here in the mountains outside Bozeman, Montana, that you'd be going back to work as a homicide investigator?

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No, I never thought so. By mid-2023, retired LAPD Captain Tom Elfmont was back to working full-time, committed to finding Danny Houchin's killer.

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For Danny's sister, Stephanie, Elfmont's refreshing dedication, professionalism, and enthusiasm was what the case had always needed. What does Tom do?

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Elfmont had access to everything, including a list of potential suspects from the old case file and that previously tested clothing that Dani had been wearing when she was found.

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Elfmont asked the Montana State Crime Lab to use their newest technology to retest the semen on Dani's underwear. At last, a breakthrough, a partial DNA profile. But there were no matches to names in the case file. And when Elfmont compared it to CODIS, the vast federal digital repository of DNA samples from convicted felons... We didn't get any hits.

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But Elfmont was undeterred and decided to go a less conventional route. He turned to genetic genealogy, an investigative genealogist, CeCe Moore.

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Moore is an expert at building out family trees from DNA samples using information from popular genealogy websites, bringing cold cases back to life. But to solve this case, Moore needed a special type of DNA profile. Problem was, they didn't have enough DNA from that semen.

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Elfmont did have more evidence for retesting. Four male hairs that had been found on Dani, which had been perfectly preserved for 27 years. They had never yielded any usable DNA because they were rootless hairs without any skin cells.

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But Elfmont asked around and connected with Astraea Forensics, a state-of-the-art private lab that's at the forefront of extracting DNA from previously unattainable genetic matter. As if there wasn't enough drama in this case, the first two hairs Astraea tested produced nothing usable. So the last two hairs are examined. Are they able to get a profile?

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It was a critical breakthrough. Elfmont got permission from a judge to compare this enhanced DNA profile to samples in popular genealogy databases, where people voluntarily submit their DNA profiles. By spring 2024, CeCe had what she needed to get to work.

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Moore was able to identify the great-grandparents on both sides of the suspect's family tree. She then found one marriage that proved decisive.

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Including three sons. Moore felt like she had to be close, but there was a problem.

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Moore scoured through the birth indexes, marriage certificates, and even social media of those sons.

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Remember, Danny had been murdered in September 1996.

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Finally, after nearly 28 years, it was now time for Elfmont to call Stephanie and give her the momentous news.

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The suspect was Paul Hutchinson, a married father of two who Elfmont soon learned was widely known and respected in local hunting and fishing circles.

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And incredibly, it turned out Stephanie's childhood friend, Rochelle Schrute, knew Paul Hutchinson. He was a trusted mentor who she had first met in the early 2000s.

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Stephanie Mallette had spent years dreaming of the day someone would be held responsible for her sister's murder. That day, that dream seemed to be finally coming true.

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Back in September 1996, suspect Paul Hutchinson was 27 years old. He had served in the Marine Corps, then moved to Bozeman to study at Montana State University, just 13 miles from where Danny's body was discovered.

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Where on September 21st, 1996, Danny ended up on a hike. That's correct. Do you think your sister Danny knew Paul Hutchinson?

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But many people in the area did know Hutchinson through his passion for hunting and fishing and high-profile government job.

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Rochelle knew Hutchinson for years. She's an expert hunter and former Yellowstone park guide and is now the hunt and fish editor for GearJunkie.com.

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Rochelle says she never once questioned Hutchinson's integrity, even when she went on fishing trips with him, just the two of them out in the middle of nowhere.

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Though she hadn't seen Hutchinson in years, Rochelle kept up with him online. He would often post on message boards about hunting trips he had taken across the country.

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Hutchinson had no criminal record. By all accounts, he had been leading a quiet existence since 1996. And what did you know about his family life? Well, we knew that he had a wife and a daughter and a son. And he lived just a few hours away. And Dillon, Montana, how far is that from Bozeman? 140 miles.

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Elfmont knew he couldn't make an arrest until he got Hutchinson's DNA, which he was working out how to get. In the meantime, Montana law did allow Elfmont to talk to Hutchinson with some conditions.

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So on July 23rd, 2024, Elfmont and another detective drove down to Hutchinson's office at the Bureau of Land Management in Dillon, Montana. with a body camera rolling.

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They came ready with a clever excuse for why they wanted to speak with Hutchinson, hoping it wouldn't raise his suspicions.

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While they didn't ask about Danny Houchins right away, Elfmont says he could tell Hutchinson was nervous.

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Can you give me a second? Absolutely. Hutchinson said he had to go help a coworker. When he returned, they asked him about the other cases.

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Elfmont's partner, Cort Depwig, took over the conversation.

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Hutchinson had confirmed he had not only been to the remote area where Danny was attacked, he remembered the street that led there. Elfmont says it was a revealing exchange.

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Hutchinson denied knowing anything about Danny's death. Even when they told him, they had the suspect's DNA.

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Did you ever directly say, did you kill Danny Houchins? No. Why? Didn't need to. Because he knows that you know. That's right. And you know that he knows that you know. Correct. As they wrapped up the interview, Hutchinson had a question for them.

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To Elfmont, it seemed like Hutchinson couldn't believe they didn't arrest him. But the investigation was far from over.

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With the possibility of an arrest of her sister's killer, Stephanie began imagining what justice would look like for Paul Hutchinson.

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But what Stephanie could never prepare herself for was the startling phone call she got from Tom Elfmont just 12 hours after he had interviewed Hutchinson.

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Police say Paul Hutchinson drove to a remote area and called the sheriff's dispatch line saying an officer needed help. When cops arrived, they found Hutchinson's body, dead by a self-inflicted gunshot wound. He was 55. Give me a sense of that moment for you.

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What did you think of the original investigation into Danny's death?

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When Hutchinson's DNA was checked against evidence from Danny's body, including the semen on her underwear, there was a match.

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Stephanie's friend, Rochelle, who had considered Hutchinson a mentor, learned what happened as she watched the sheriff's news conference.

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At the news conference, Stephanie thanked the current sheriff's team.

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And then she did what no one there expected. She unleashed years of pent-up anger.

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So I know where the body was.

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I asked Sheriff Springer about Stephanie's allegations that the sheriff's department for years had lied to her family. If what they say is true, were they lied to?

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What the parents said is that they were told that their daughter did not have any injuries. If what they are saying is true, were they lied to?

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We reached out to the man who was sheriff in office back in 1996, Bill Slaughter, now retired. Slaughter admits withholding some information from Danny's family, but claims he never lied to them, despite the fact he told the local newspaper in 1996 that there was no indication of foul play. Weeks after the news conference, Stephanie went back to the scene of the crime.

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For you, what is this case about?

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In the aftermath of Hutchison's death, there were so many questions unanswered. Perhaps the most troubling, says Elfmont, were there other victims?

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Stephanie is now trying to make changes in how Montana funds and supervises law enforcement so that cases like Danny's don't fall by the wayside.

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Years ago, Dani's family spread some of her ashes on a nearby mountaintop.

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And now, almost 30 years later, Stephanie was back here, on the banks of the Gallatin River, where Danny died, to spread the last of her ashes and to tell her sister that she'd made a difference.

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It was the end of September 1996, a Saturday night, a fishing area just outside of Bozeman, Montana, a place of tranquility until this night. A few miles up a rural highway near the small town of Belgrade, searchers discovered the body of 15-year-old Danny Houchens. What brought your sister, Danny, down to this area back on September 21, 1996?

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Now people wonder, how does a 15-year-old get a driver's license?

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She hops into her Chevy pickup truck. Why would she come to this place if she wanted to just kind of take a break? It's peaceful. After Danny's pickup truck was located, a sheriff's posse had searched this wilderness for Danny until it got too dark. But that same night, two brothers, friends of the Houchens family, refused to call it quits.

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So they came down this very path at night with their flashlights. That's right. They went across this bridge, right? Somehow, in the dense, muddy woods, they found her body.

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Keith Farquhar, then a Gallatin County Sheriff's deputy, was the first officer on the scene. In the first hours after Danny was found, no one was really sure what had happened to her. Did this look like an accident scene or something else? Something entirely different.

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And is it possible to put into words the shock and horror of that moment?

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Rochelle Schrute went to school with Stephanie and Danny.

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The sisters love the Montana wilderness.

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A classic Montana girl, right? She could fish, she hiked, she could ski. And Dani was smart.

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How quickly did word spread that Dani had been found and that she was dead?

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While Danny's family was awaiting an official cause of death, everyone, it seemed, from first responder Keith Farquhar to folks all over town, were speculating about what had happened.

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And if it was a murder, who would want to end this young girl's life? And was there a killer on the loose?

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And she was familiar with this area?

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But within days, the family's grief would turn to heartbreaking shock when they heard the Sheriff's Department's jaw-dropping announcement about how Danny died.

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Just two days after the discovery of Dani's body, with the people of Belgrade, Montana fearful and demanding answers, authorities released the partial findings of Dani's autopsy. They did not say Dani was murdered. Her manner of death was undetermined. Her family was dumbfounded.

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The sheriff told the media that there were no cuts or bruises on Danny's body and no indications of foul play.

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Tripped and fell?

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And as avid, experienced outdoors people, even at 12, you thought that was absurd? Absurd. What the family didn't know at the time was the coroner said Danny had inhaled both water and mud into her airways. The family also didn't know that there were bruises and cuts on Danny's body and signs of possible sexual assault.

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The sheriff back then, Bill Slaughter, told us it is often common for investigators to withhold key details to protect their investigations. as they looked into potential suspects, including people who were close to Danny. Common sense says this girl was Not an accidental death. Caught in the middle of this controversy was Deputy Keith Farquhar, then a young patrolman.

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He was assigned to work with detectives on the case.

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The former sheriff, Bill Slaughter, denies Farquhar's allegations. He says Farquhar was a disgruntled employee and that his department never ignored any evidence. Fed up and disillusioned, just three months after Danny's death, Farquhar resigned from the sheriff's office. As years passed, Danny's family tried to accept that her death might have been an accident.

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As all that time, weeks to months to years go by and you have no answers, what was that like?

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Everybody's calling out her name. Yep. So if you were out here, you can hear them in the distance. Danny, Danny, right? Yep.

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Until 24 years after Danny's death. Matt Boxmeyer was the detective sergeant with Gallatin County. He took an interest in Danny Houchins and her family.

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Boxmeyer also found out that there had been several efforts over the years to get evidence analyzed by the Montana State Crime Lab. But after each attempt, nothing. No usable DNA profile ever came back. So he was starting from scratch. Meantime, Stephanie decided to turn up the pressure.

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Finally, Boxmeier and his bosses made a decision. They deserved some answers. They told the family that Danny's death was no accident. I shared with them that I believe that it was a homicide. Homicide. Stephanie then demanded to read the autopsy and look at the crime scene photos.

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This is like a nuclear bomb going off emotionally, I would think, for this family and for you.

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Streaming on Paramount+. Everyone who comes into this clinic is a mystery.

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We're doctors and we're detectives.

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Solve the puzzle, save the patient.

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Their bodies are the scene of the crime. Their symptoms and history are clues.

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I've seen a lot of stuff over 30 years, you know, some very despicable crime and things that are kind of tough to wrap your head around. And this ranks right up there in the pantheon of Rhode Island fraudsters.

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I've seen a lot of stuff over 30 years, you know, some very despicable crime and things that are kind of tough to wrap your head around. And this ranks right up there in the pantheon of Rhode Island fraudsters.

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I've seen a lot of stuff over 30 years, you know. Some very despicable crime and things that are kind of tough to wrap your head around. And this ranks right up there in the pantheon of Rhode Island fraudsters.

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Trigger warning, the following episode contains references to harassment, stalking, and physical violence. Listen with care. In August 2009, an anonymous man called the Skagit County Sheriff's Office 911 hotline.

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That's Jennifer Thompson. She knows Michael Oakes as well as anyone. Jennifer was his second wife. I talked to her in 2010.

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She said they were married when Michael first met Linda. Jennifer said that she loved him, but that Michael had an insecure side. Is he a tough guy?

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An action hero kind of guy?

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This is Lee Herron. She's a private investigator Mark hired after the incident. Lee said when Mark refused to cooperate, the officers wouldn't let him leave.

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According to Jennifer, Michael thought part of being tough meant being armed.

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There was one book Jennifer said Michael referenced a lot.

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The book examines how people learn to kill in war. Jennifer said that Michael zeroed in on a part that described how one small sliver of the population could be vicious.

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She said that over time, Michael's fascination with killing and his tough-guy persona rotted out their marriage.

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Jennifer told me that the final straw came when verbal tensions between them turned physically abusive.

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Michael told us no one should believe Jennifer's allegations against him. In July of 2008, a year after they tied the knot, Jennifer left with her two biological kids.

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Soon after, Michael Oakes and Linda Updike set up their first in-person meeting.

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As the fall of 2008 began, Jennifer faded from his life, as Michael, the action hero wannabe, now had a new woman in his sights. And as Michael's relationship with Linda grew deeper, he said Linda's ex-husband, Mark, became obsessed, constantly calling him on the phone, asking for meetings. By October 2009... It's become very, very clear to me that...

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Michael said the two men finally agreed to meet again on October 24, 2009, at that same church in Anacortes. There is surveillance video from Linda's house showing Michael packing up his car to head out that day.

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That's Lee Herron again, Mark's former private investigator. She examined the video herself.

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As Michael is packing, you can see Linda come out onto their deck. They touch hands, and then Linda wraps her arms around Michael. They share a long, heartfelt embrace, the kind that suggested to me that something important lay ahead, something serious. Here's Lee again.

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Mark told the deputies the box had been planted. They let him go, but from then on, Mark watched his back.

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Michael and Linda kissed and he drove away. Hours later, Michael claimed he came face to face with Mark Stover in that church parking lot.

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Michael said Stover once again demanded those wedding pictures. So did you give him those photo albums that he wanted? I never found them. Late that night, Michael is seen returning to Linda's home. But is it possible this entire story was all a ruse for a failed murder attempt? Because four days later, at 2.30 AM on October 28th,

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Michael is again seen on surveillance video driving away from Linda's house. This time, Michael said the two men would meet in private at Mark Stover's house in Anacortes. Michael claimed that Mark had told him this was his last chance to turn over those damn wedding pictures.

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But what really happened when they met remains a mystery. Only those who saw the bloody aftermath can express what they felt.

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From 48 Hours, this is Trained to Kill. The dog trainer, the heiress, and the bodyguard. Produced by Sony Music Entertainment. I'm your host, Peter Van Sant. Judy Tigard is the executive producer of 48 Hours. Original reporting by 48 Hours producers, Ryan Smith and Liza Finley. Jamie Benson is the senior producer for Paramount Audio and Maura Waltz is the senior story editor.

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Recording assistance from Alan Pang and Reginald Bazile. Special thanks to Paramount Podcast Vice President, Megan Marcus. It is written and produced by Alex Schumann. Stephanie Serrano is our editor. Our executive producer is Shira Morris. Our associate producer is Zoe Kolkin. Theme and original music composed by Hans Dale Shee. Cedric Wilson is our sound designer and mixed the episodes.

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We also use music from APM and Epidemic Sounds. Fendall Fulton is our fact checker. Our production manager is Tamika Balance-Kolasny. I'm Peter Van Sant. If you're enjoying the show, be sure to rate and review. It helps more people find it and hear our reporting. You can listen to Train to Kill early and ad free right now by subscribing to 48 Hours Plus on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for listening.

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I'm Peter Van Sant. From 48 Hours, this is Trained to Kill. The dog trainer, the heiress, and the bodyguard. Episode 3, Secret Meetings. At the time Mark Stover was pulled over by police, Linda Updike said she had moved on from her ex-husband.

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Michael was Michael Oakes, a security expert. We spoke back in 2010.

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Michael said they met at a Starbucks and quickly connected over their love of books. By the fall of 2008, Michael said their business relationship turned romantic.

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Linda was impressed by how dedicated Michael was to his family. After getting a divorce from his first wife, Michael took full custody of their kids. He even treated the kids of his second wife as his own.

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It involved a dangerous drug dealer.

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Michael described himself as a self-taught security specialist skilled in firearms.

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You've been described as Linda Updike's bodyguard as well as boyfriend.

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Michael said that by the spring of 2009, he and his kids started spending a lot of time at Linda's house in Winthrop. which was more than 200 miles north from Michael's place in Kennewick, Washington.

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The dispatcher then asked the caller for the person's name.

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Their relationship deepened. What seemed to make it even better was that Linda said she hadn't heard from Mark since he had been arrested for stalking and theft.

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To her, the nightmare finally felt over.

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But according to Michael, the past roared back into the present when Mark Stover unexpectedly re-entered their lives.

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Michael said that Mark hadn't stopped stalking, he just found a new target. The Mark Stover you got to know, was he a frightening man? Very. Intimidating?

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Stover, as in Mark Stover, the dog trainer to the stars who had moved to Anacortes, Washington.

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Michael Oakes said the first time he encountered Mark Stover was a real shock. It was around Memorial Day, 2009. Michael and Linda had been in a romantic relationship for about nine months.

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Michael said he then made a stop at Costco.

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Mark Stover is standing next to your car. Next to my car in the parking lot. In Kennewick, Washington, which is on the other side of the mountains from where we are now. Yes. The drive from Mark's home in Anacortes to this Costco in Kennewick, Washington, would have taken about five hours. Yet there he was, according to Michael, menacingly standing by Michael's car.

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Michael couldn't remember if he said anything to Mark. or if he just gave him a confused look as he waited to hear Mark's demand.

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Michael said that Mark told him to bring the wedding photos to the Northgate Mall in Seattle on July 14, 2009. He said he agreed. Why didn't you at that moment simply look him in the eye and say, Mark Stover or whoever you are, get away from me. I don't ever want to speak to you again. If you get anywhere near my children, I'll call the police.

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Michael said at first he was going to call the police, but then decided against it, worried about getting Linda involved. Did Michael tell you that Mark Stover approached him and demanded wedding photos?

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Why wouldn't he share this vitally important information with you?

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Michael said that when July 14th rolled around, he went to meet Mark at the Nordstrom store at the Northgate Mall, just as he said Mark demanded. Michael said that since he didn't tell Linda about this meeting, he arrived empty-handed, no wedding photos. Michael said Mark got angry and scolded him.

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It's a little tough to hear, but he's warning them that Mark carries a gun. He said, this is very dangerous.

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A couple of weeks later, Michael suggested to Linda that they leave and go on a trip out to Whitefish, Montana. That's where Linda's father, Wally Updike, had a house.

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En route to Whitefish, Michael remembered making a stop so Linda could take her dog for some exercise and he could pick up some snacks. But Michael said when he got in line to check out, he spotted a familiar face standing near the front door.

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He says, I wish you guys would do something before he kills somebody.

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You felt if you confronted Mark Stover, you'd be putting yourself in more danger instead of dealing with the threat that he posed to you?

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By now, Michael said Mark's uncanny ability to find him and Linda wherever they went made him realize Mark posed a real danger to his family.

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By late September of 2009, Michael said that Mark demanded that they set up another meeting after he and Linda were back from Montana.

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This time at a church in Anacortes. By now, Michael decided to wear his Kevlar vest to the meetings. He said that he drove west across the state to the church parking lot not far from Mark's house and waited. Still unable to find the wedding photos, Michael said he brought two pictures of Linda with her horse, so Mark would have something to look at.

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But Michael said he didn't show up, and Michael felt helpless.

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He refused.

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But were all these stories Michael was telling me true? Some people who knew Michael well said he had a darker side to his personality, a potentially violent side.

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But Linda wasn't there just to defend Michael. She told me she also wanted to defend herself and her father.

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Here's Skagit County Prosecutor Rosemary Cajolacula questioning Linda.

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That's why they turned to sonar to scour the lake bed.

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She asked about what help Linda provided Michael after his arrest.

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Michael somehow managed to pay $250,000 for him to get out on bail. Linda insisted she didn't cover that cost. Michael's defense attorney, John Henry Brown, told me the Updikes weren't paying his fee either. Is Linda Updike paying for Michael Oak's defense?

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There's no money going through a third party to Oak's family and back to you guys?

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back at trial, the prosecution showed no sympathy in its cross-examination of Linda.

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Yes. The prosecutor even suggested Linda's support for Michael may have been an attempt to protect herself.

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And that diver will be you? Yes, today it's me. Then Deputy Rodriguez slowed the boat down toward a spot where he had detected some kind of an image. He put on the diver's suit.

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The prosecution also argued that Linda had no evidence Mark continued to stalk her after his arrest.

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Cajolacula pointed out that Linda was never able to identify Mark in this incident or several others she reported in 2008 and 2009.

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Prosecutors also called Mark Stover's fiancée, Teresa Vox Michael, to testify. Their engagement was used as evidence Mark was moving on. I talked to Teresa in 2010. In the weeks before he died, was he a happy man?

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But Teresa claimed there was still a dark presence in his life, his ex-wife Linda. She said that Mark described Linda as a vengeful ex who wouldn't leave him alone and often took him to court.

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And what did he believe the endgame was with her?

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But Michael's attorneys alleged just the opposite. They argued Mark threatened and stalked Michael, and that he only killed Mark to defend himself and his family. They insisted Mark and Michael met multiple times. The defense even claimed to have a witness who said Mark mentioned seeing Michael and Linda at a Costco months before the shooting.

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But the judge ruled there was no way to verify the witness's story. Soon, Michael would learn his fate.

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Ready. And jumped into the water. He swam below the boat, but no luck.

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After more than 50 witnesses and more than 700 exhibits, the jury began to deliberate. They took four days before they reached a verdict.

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Linda sat next to Michael's mom and tried to comfort Michael's daughters as they all waited. Mark Stover's niece, Julia Simmons, was there to represent his family. Who did this jury believe?

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Michael was found guilty of first degree murder. He turned and hugged his daughters. At his sentencing, his mother, Corey Oaks, pleaded with the judge to have mercy. that her son never wanted to hurt Mark.

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Mark's family felt differently. His sister, Victoria Simmons, asked the judge to give Michael the maximum sentence.

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There was finally an ending to this emotional saga gone horribly wrong. But there will always be lingering questions about what really happened on October 28, 2009.

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This case of Mark Stover has been defined by an infinite loop of suspicion between three people. Linda said she feared Mark. Mark said he feared Linda. And Michael said he too eventually feared Mark. Each person claimed the other was threatening their life until that morning in October proved that one of them was right.

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Decomposition. Correct. The search for Mark Stover had stretched across the state of Washington. the one person who could end that search decided to be Coy. Are you willing to tell authorities where you placed Mark Stover's body?

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With no more new information surrounding the crime, law enforcement closed the case in 2012. Linda's father, Wally Updike, died in 2018 at age 81 at his home in Whitefish, Montana. The Chateau San Michel Winery, the largest in Washington, remains open today and thriving. The Updikes sold Kickett Island too. It's now a park that belongs to the Swinomish tribe.

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It's open to the public for hiking, but there are no dogs allowed. After Michael went to prison, his daughter April Oak said each of her siblings went to stay at a different home. April lived with Linda until she was 17 and said Linda has remained a big part of the family's lives. Linda last sat for an interview in 2011.

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Michael's first instinct was to turn to all of you.

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And to hold his family.

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Michael appealed his case to no avail. He is incarcerated at the Washington State Penitentiary in Walla Walla. In a call from prison in April 2025, Michael said he expects to get out in 2035 when he is 67 years old. He blamed one of his appellate attorneys failing to file an appeal on time for his inability to keep challenging his sentence in court.

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Today, there is a website, freeoaks.com, that advocates for Michael's freedom. His family sent us documents from Michael's appeal. In 2017, the Oaks family hired an oceanographer to study where Mark's body may have ended up in the water and believe that the police missed a spot where the current could have moved Mark.

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Detective Dan Luvera said the police searched the channel multiple times and even used underwater cameras. We asked Michael about his current relationship with Linda Updike. He said he wanted to respect her privacy. After Mark's death, Teresa, the woman who had hoped to marry Mark, took his dog, Ding, into her home. Ding had miraculously survived being shot.

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And was that tough? Because Ding was a link to Mark.

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Teresa told me that Ding was buried with a custom headstone. She hopes a day will come when they can give Mark the proper burial he deserves.

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Mark's sister, Victoria Simmons, said she will never rest until her brother's remains are found.

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A celebrity dog trainer, an heiress, and her bodyguard, three lives ruined by a triangle of jealousy, fear, and rage. From 48 Hours, this is Trained to Kill. The dog trainer, the heiress, and the bodyguard. Produced by Sony Music Entertainment. I'm your host, Peter Van Sant. Judy Tigard is the executive producer of 48 Hours. Original reporting by 48 Hours producers Ryan Smith and Liza Finley.

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This is going to be a dramatic week.

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Jamie Benson is the senior producer for Paramount Audio. and Maura Waltz is the senior story editor. Recording assistance from Alan Pang and Reginald Bazile. Special thanks to Paramount Podcast Vice President, Megan Marcus. It is written and produced by Alex Schumann. Stephanie Serrano is our editor. Our executive producer is Shira Morris. Our associate producer is Zoe Culkin.

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Theme and original music composed by Hansdale Shee. Cedric Wilson is our sound designer and mixed the episodes. We also use music from APM and Epidemic Sounds. Fendall Fulton is our fact checker. Our production manager is Tamika Balance-Kolasny. I'm Peter Van Sant. If you're enjoying the show, be sure to rate and review. It helps more people find it and hear our reporting.

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I'm Peter Van Sant. From 48 Hours, it's Trained to Kill, the dog trainer, the heiress, and the bodyguard. Episode six, time will tell. Michael Oakes has been accused of a murder of Mark Stover. What do you say? Prove it. That's John Henry Brown. He was Michael Oak's lead defense attorney. We spoke in 2010. So my defense is prove it. First, I have to prove there's a murder. Right?

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Brown is a brilliant showman known for making arguments in court that could fit into the final scene of a primetime legal drama. We've got blood. Right. We've got shell casings. Correct. Got a dog that was shot. Correct. But we don't have a body. Correct.

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When it comes to representing accused killers, Brown has been around the block. He titled his memoir, The Devil's Defender, to highlight a career spent arguing on behalf of defendants he considered evil. His client list included one of the most notorious serial killers in American history, Ted Bundy, who said he had murdered 30 people.

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Brown argued instead that Mark Stover represented the evil in this case, not his client.

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In court, they planned to make the case that Michael shot Mark in self-defense. The trial started in September 2010, less than a year after Mark Stover was killed.

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That's Judge Mike Rickert.

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Judge Rickard said this turned out to be one of the stranger cases he had presided over.

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Witnesses included detectives, some of Mark's former employees, and Michael's second wife, Jennifer Thompson, who told jurors that Michael said, if police saw what was in the back of my car, I'd go to prison for life. But it was Michael himself who played the leading role in this trial. when he took the stand.

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Yes, Mr. Oakes. Mr. Oakes, come on up. His defense attorney, John Henry Brown, wanted Michael to explain why he had to defend himself.

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In June 2010, Chief Deputy Dave Rodriguez took me out on patrol in an Okanagan County Sheriff's fast boat on a lake just a few miles from Linda Updike's home outside Winthrop, Washington. Rodriguez had helped Linda Updike train a new attack dog, and later was one of the deputies who arrested Michael Oakes. Months had passed since Mark Stover was murdered, and still, his body had not been found.

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Remember, Detective Dan Luvera said it was highly improbable that Michael could shoot Mark in self-defense immediately after being shot himself, even if he was wearing a bulletproof vest. So Brown asked Michael to reenact the shooting to show that it was possible.

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Brown asked Michael to put on a Kevlar vest like the one he wore on October 28, 2009. Brown's co-counsel, Corbin Valles, stood in as Mark Stover. Mr. Valles is larger than Mr. Stover, as far as you know? He's taller. Valles held up his left hand and stuck out his pointer finger to act like he was aiming a gun at Michael.

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Michael lunged at Valles, grabbed his left arm, and tackled him to the ground.

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The aggressive move startled the courtroom into a big laugh. Are you all right?

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Michael took off the vest and then walked back to the witness stand.

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I asked prosecutor Rich Weirich why a bullet hole in Michael Oakes' vest wasn't convincing to authorities. He explained the location of the bullet was suspicious.

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Back on the stand, Michael eventually came to the dramatic moment everyone was waiting for. He was finally going to disclose where he put Mark's body.

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Michael then testified he later drove to that Grange Hall parking lot nearby, where he struggled to transfer Mark's body.

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After meeting with his ex-wife, Jennifer Thompson, in Everett, Washington, he drove back to Anacortes to move Mark's now-empty station wagon.

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Michael said he then drove the station wagon about two miles to the nearby Swinomish Casino parking lot. Michael then walked back to his own car, where Mark's body was covered up in the back. You leave it there? Yep. Michael told the courtroom he then decided to dispose of the body because he didn't think investigators would believe his story.

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Michael said he then drove down to a dock at the far end of that casino's vast parking lot.

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According to Michael, he then dropped Mark's body into the Swinomish Channel, which flows into the Padilla Bay near Anacortes.

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He then headed to Linda's home in Winthrop.

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I was exhausted. But when the prosecution cross-examined Michael, they zeroed in on some inconsistencies in his story. Here's Skagit County Prosecutor Rich Weirich.

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Michael Oakes had spent time near these waters, and Rodriguez wanted to check if he might have sunk Mark's body here. So how does this work?

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Detectives searched the waters behind the casino with a submersible camera and found nothing. While court was in recess, I asked Michael if he was telling the truth. Police have searched that area. They have not found a gun. They have found no skeletal remains. Is that really where you dropped the body?

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No matter where he may have disposed the body, I pressed him more. What do you say to those who suspect that you disposed of the body because you wanted to dispose of the evidence? That if people could see Mark Stover's body, maybe there's a bullet hole in the back of the head. Maybe they would have seen that he was shot in the back, not in the front. Maybe you were trying to cover up a murder.

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After he was cross-examined, Michael watched the woman he loved, the heiress, the person at the center of Mark Stover's rage, Linda Updike, raise her hand.