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KAREN: THE RETRIAL

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Remember, Jennifer was with Karen and John at the Waterfall Bar and Grill on the stormy evening John was last seen alive. And with Karen the morning he was found dead.

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On its face, this exchange in the group chat could be interpreted by some as a group of witnesses conspiring to assemble a unanimous story. For onlookers and jurors who may have been leaning in the direction of the cover-up theory, this digital footprint only added insult to injury. And on day 15, Matt's wife Jennifer had some texts of her own to answer for.

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Presented with this evidence, Jennifer began to unravel. Here's Alida Majeca with what she noticed watching her cross-examination.

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And reporter Christina Rex, who was in the courtroom that day, remembers the staggering differences between the Jennifer who took the stand on day one and the Jennifer who appeared in court on day two.

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In the months leading up to the trial, she had been at the center of many of Turtle Boy's blog posts where he was claiming conspiracy. In fact, by the time she took the stand, Jennifer's alleged involvement in a cover-up had been widely circulating online, from Reddit to TikTok.

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Christina was able to send something that others in the courtroom may not have picked up on or been privy to.

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And as Jackson and Yannetti pressed on, the tension only grew, especially when more of her phone activity was put under their microscope.

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Forensic data expert John Lucich told us more about Celebrate.

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Here's where things get a little complicated.

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In the ongoing quest for answers as to what really happened the night of January 28th, 2022, Jennifer's testimony was predicated by resounding anticipation by onlookers far and wide. Sporting a heather gray blazer, Jennifer approached the stand with a confident demeanor.

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But that's not what the Celebrite data purported.

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AM or PM?

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Jennifer's story began to crumble. At this moment in her cross-examination, problems began to arise for the prosecution.

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Prosecutor Adam Lally asked her to walk the court through the events leading up to the discovery of John's body outside the Albert home. Lally drew the jury's attention to texts exchanged between Jennifer and John while en route to the party from the bar.

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John Lucich explained how the defense's experts and the prosecution's experts may have arrived at different conclusions for the exact time the Google search was made.

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To be clear, the defense also used Celebrite data, but the report they ran interpreted the time of the search differently.

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And their review found more than just the alleged time the Google search was made.

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I never deleted any search. The report said otherwise.

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If Jennifer McCabe did make the how long to die in the cold Google search at 2.27 a.m., that would say a lot. If she deleted it, that would be even more incriminating. But if she didn't even make the search until after John's body was found, then, well, this evidence is ultimately moot.

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But the conflicting interpretations of the Celebrite data didn't help Karen or Jennifer, and thus did nothing to tamp the flames of conspiracy, just like so much of the evidence thus far in the trial. Making things confusing, even for the experts closely following the case,

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And Ian Runkle hypothesized how the conflicting reports could land for the jury.

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But attorney Matt Timpanik says there's an important factor to consider with regard to the experts consulted in the case.

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So who can we trust? The witnesses subpoenaed by the machine of the Commonwealth's district attorney's office, or the paid experts called upon by the team desperate to prove their client's innocence? On May 24th, day 17 of the trial, more digital footprints were traced when the next witness was called for direct examination.

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Higgins was on the stand all day explaining that history.

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Jennifer claimed that as she was messaging John to no avail, she was able to see Karen's SUV through the window in the foyer. She had been periodically getting up from the kitchen table to get a sense of what the holdup was out in front of the Alberts' home. But at one point, she says she stopped looking.

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And a kiss wasn't all that the two were exchanging.

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Higgins recalled that for nine days after the kiss, he and Karen continued to text each other, but never had another physical interaction. Here's what reporter Luis Fieldman remembers about what came next.

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Their text exposed the discord in Karen and John's relationship in the days leading up to John's death.

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From their text exchanges, it appeared that Higgins harbored romantic feelings for Karen. But Karen's attorney, Alan Jackson, didn't want to only go off of assumptions. He began by asking Higgins very directly about his apparent crush.

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She did, yes. Christina Rex remembers when Higgins was subjected to recounting his text with Karen. She couldn't help but cringe.

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Making things even more uncomfortable, it appeared Karen had left Higgins on read.

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Onlookers of the trial wondered, what exactly was Jackson trying to get at by dragging all this out?

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Could the jealousy have morphed into animosity directed at John O'Keefe? And in turn, could that animosity have escalated to a physical altercation in the Albert home on the 29th? Higgins' cell phone came under further scrutiny in the latter half of his cross-examination.

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No. Not unlike the witnesses before her, Jennifer said John and Karen never made it beyond the driveway. She didn't think much of it at the time. That is, until she received a frantic phone call from Karen early the next morning.

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When John Lucich caught wind of this development, his ears perked up.

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Anybody who's spent any time living on or near a military base would find Higgins' journey there to dispose of a SIM card unusual, to say the least. Like Alida Mzeika.

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What was stored on that SIM card that Higgins needed to so urgently discard?

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True or not, those who hung on every word of Higgins Cross, like legal analyst Rich Schoenstein agreed, that's certainly what it looked like.

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Prompting Jennifer's final text to John O'Keefe.

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Another day of the trial, another log thrown into the conspiracy theory bonfire. Brian Hagan's testimony did not help the prosecution. On day 21, June 6, 2024, Sergeant Uri Buchanek was called back to the stand for cross-examination. The day prior, he had testified about physical evidence and multiple surveillance videos of Karen Reed's SUV, both the day before and the day of John O'Keefe's death.

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The on-duty officer the day John O'Keefe was found sat at the stand in a blue suit and turquoise tie, his short hair neatly combed over. Jackson approached Buchanek with curiosity about a note he had made after observing John's injuries at Good Samaritan Hospital.

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You'd think a first responding sergeant who couldn't rule out the possibility of a physical altercation would at least do the due diligence of bringing witnesses in to see if any of them supported his suspicion, right? That wasn't the only step he overlooked.

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As a matter of fact, Trooper Proctor did not either, did he?

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Buchanek's testimony made it seem like Trooper Proctor felt little to no sense of urgency to secure the scene. Jackson saw this moment as an opportunity to question their aptitude as investigating officers. And from there, things grew a bit caustic.

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While the snarky back and forth between a defense attorney and a witness is entertaining, like watching a real-life version of your favorite courtroom drama, Buchanek's testimony ultimately didn't provide an answer as to why the crime scene inside or outside of the Alberts' home was never secured. Like everything before it, Buchanek's testimony left a lot to be desired.

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The scene Jennifer found herself in nearly an hour after her last text to John was anything but okay. She walked Lally through each step that she, Kerry Roberts, and Karen Reed made after they joined forces to track down John, noting everything from seeing Karen's broken taillight to hearing her utter, I hit him, once his body had been discovered.

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More questions, less answers. And his time in the hot seat wasn't up just yet. Jackson called his attention to a glaring discrepancy in surveillance footage from the Sally Port garage, where Karen's SUV was stored and examined after investigators took it into their possession.

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Neither Prosecutor Lally nor Sergeant Buchanek acknowledged the surveillance footage was fully flipped, which confounded the hordes of people watching the trial closely. Jackson played the footage again to get everyone on the same page.

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While Buchanek acknowledged the video was flipped, it seemed he couldn't find a reason as to why this would jeopardize the integrity of the investigation. But Jackson noticed something else that puzzled him.

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Here's Ian Runkle with what he was able to discern from this portion of the tape.

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Former CSI Alina Burrows told us how she caught on to the fact that the surveillance video was apparently inverted.

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Buchanek remained steadfast in his conviction that none of the footage was deliberately tampered with. But why wouldn't he have flagged these discrepancies from the get-go, especially when they were so obvious? It certainly didn't reflect well on the department.

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Then, unbeknownst to Jennifer, she opened a can of worms when she explained what happened after first responders arrived at 34 Fairview.

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But that's not how Karen's defense saw it. Outside the courthouse, after Buchanek's cross-examination, Jackson was approached by a slew of reporters, hoping to make sense of the altered surveillance footage.

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That's all coming up on the next episode of Karen. This has been a Law & Crime production. I'm your host, Paula Barrows. Our executive producer is Jessica Lowther. Our producer and writer is Cooper Maul. Our editor is Corey Hiltman. Our researcher is Stephanie Doucette. Our bookers are Alyssa Fisher and Diane Kay. Legal and fact-checking by Elizabeth Voulay.

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And special thanks to Sean Panzera for designing our key art. Follow Karen in the Wondery app. You can binge the entire series early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify.

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This wouldn't be the end of the questions about the alleged 6 a.m. Google search. Jennifer wasn't the only McCabe called to the stand that day. Her husband, Matt, dressed in a black suit and light blue tie, got his shot at setting the record straight, too.

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Yes, I knew Karen drove a dark SUV. Matt testified that he saw Karen's car three times outside the Alberts' house over the course of 12 to 15 minutes, soon after he had arrived. But every time he saw the SUV, he noticed something peculiar.

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Matt didn't think much more of it until the next morning when he was startled awake by his wife's phone call with a screaming Karen Reid.

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Matt McCabe said that Karen abruptly hung up, then called back.

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Jennifer and Matt were mystified by this, as they both had seen Karen's SUV outside the Alberts that evening. This begs the question, if Karen was so drunk that she doesn't remember leaving the waterfall with John and dropping him off at 34 Fairview Road, can what she says about that night be trusted?

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Back on the other end of the line, Karen added another detail that we now know would become crucial to the Commonwealth's case.

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In the early phases of the search for John, Matt McCabe attempted to reach out to him, too.

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Matt's testimony echoed what many other witnesses had claimed. Karen and John never entered the Albert home. Her taillight was broken. And upon realizing John was missing, Karen apparently implicated herself with emotionally charged utterances. But in Matt's cross-examination, David Iannetti and Alan Jackson pulled at some of the looser threads and probed the gaps in his story.

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Iannetti was particularly curious about the claims he had made about the various positions Karen's SUV was in while they were inside waiting for John. Matt said he was one of the last to arrive, and there were at least two other vehicles there when they pulled up. Parked at the end of the driveway in front of the mailbox was a Jeep with a plow, which he confirmed was Brian Higgins.

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He then confirmed that the Jeep was still parked in the same spot when he witnessed Karen's SUV moving about out front. But according to the defense, there were inconsistencies in his statement. In a previous interview with trooper Michael Proctor, he had said he only saw the SUV in two spots, not three.

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From Law and Crime, I'm Paula Barros, and this is Karen. Though two weeks had elapsed in the trial of Karen Reed, it showed no signs of wrapping up any time soon. On its 14th day, May 17th, 2024, Prosecutor Adam Lally called a key witness to the stand. Jennifer McCabe sister to the homeowner, Nicole.

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Yannetti dug deeper into Matt's communication with other witnesses, attempting to illuminate why his story could have changed.

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Matt was backed into a corner. He was unable to deny that his story had changed. The seasoned defense attorney he is, David Iannetti squeezed yet another intriguing detail out of Matt McCabe, one that Prosecutor Lally seemingly glossed over.

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While Matt's recollection of how many times he saw Karen's SUV out front was up for debate, it appeared he was steadfast in his memory that the taillight was not broken in each instance he observed the vehicle. If Karen's SUV taillight was actually cracked, doesn't it seem odd that Matt McCabe's apparently watchful eye didn't notice it? It's head-scratching, to say the least.

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For the defense's next line of questioning with Matt McCabe, they had more to go off of. Text messages exchanged between him and Brian Albert on January 29th, 2022, after Kerry Roberts had been interviewed by police.

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Yes, that's correct. If they were confident their versions of the story were accurate, why would Matt and Brian express concern over Carrie's account? And there was more.

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But it's just so funny that they've only learned that. I'm trying to think of other words, and they'll come to me. They learn enough just to get what they need, which I love.

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Oh, my voice? Oh, yeah, because I did the Mikusuki ads for a long, long time before the pandemic.

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True story. I was on a losing streak, and I had just lost like 400 bucks. For real?

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that day and I was like let me see if they have like a media like an office of like something and so I was started we're looking around or whatever I asked and I got to an office and I was like hi I am Paula I was like the person that does your ads right now on TV like sounds really bad like really like it kind of like let's go to salsa place like what do we like that girl and I was like and I can give you like a really good bilingual read and blah blah blah I got the job

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That's very responsible, actually.

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Yeah, exactly. Give it right back. You're right.

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It's 30 now. It's 30 now.

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And be humble and be chill. And that building hasn't been renovated in like 50, 60 years. The carpets are old and amazing. It smells like, dude, it is. What does it smell like?

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Yeah, like the 60s in Vegas. It's like, but it's only Cuban. So it's like very Native American mixed with Cubans. And it's just a world of its own. It's my favorite place in the world. Cigars.

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Yes, absolutely.

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They had a bunch of wrestling there. A bunch of like this.

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The casino. It says gaming. It doesn't say casino. It just says gaming.

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Mikusuki gaming. I don't know if it's like a legal thing or that they couldn't call it a casino because they can't. It's like with bingo. Every machine is also with bingo. It's like they have a license for bingo.

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Yeah, I know the gas station.

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It's pretty bummed they have like all kinds of Native American like souvenirs too. Yeah.

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I love Mikusuki, guys. If you haven't been there, go support Mikusuki.

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Oh yeah, he is getting pale.

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And they're all moving here excited.

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While I have you here, can I shoot my comedy special at the Marlins Stadium?

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You understand I've been gone for seven years. I'm just kidding. No, what I wanted to know is, like, so you can have other events in these stadiums? Like Shakira, have a concert there. Absolutely.

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But you said they keep the profits. So does that mean that the stadium does keep the profits?

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Keeps the profits of someone else's concert?

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But they get a cut?

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Okay, whatever you say.

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Why is the county being so beta?

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Tres, dos, uno.

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I would love that.

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I was like, for New Year's Eve, I was like, three, two, one. I'm no longer Miami's Best Comedian. I was so sad.

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Did you say working on my birthday?

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I just. That's impressive for a bro dude. Like he's such a bro dude and like he's a, that's impressive that he has so much power. Dang.

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They're all about murder. It's all very deathy. And I, yeah, I am involved in all of that.

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You just got it right, which is great. Every time a host introduced me in comedy here, they go, and welcome the voice of the Simpsons. They never get it right. So thank you for getting the South Park right.

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Well, make it like horse races or something like that.

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I do the fat goth girl. Can you still say fat?

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Yes! And I'm thick, so this is my people. So I do the fat goth girl. She's amazing. I do the new girlfriend of Mr. Mackey. Mmkay, mmkay. You know that guy? Mmkay. Yeah, but it's not m'kay in Espanol. And this is a girl. She's a woman. And I also do the really ultra-feminist new vice principal, strong woman. So I have really fun ladies and some little girls and stuff. But I love South Park.

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They need to put out some new episodes.

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I need to see this footage.

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Pauly me, yeah.

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Homegirl is shameless.

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Gracias, Matt Gaetz.

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Gracias, Matt Gaetz. Who said that in Spanish?

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What would that be like? I love that. I think we need new categories would be introduced for sure. Like the sports of Miami, right? Like jet skiing. Is that in the Olympics?

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She looks like she has a lot of work done. She should be surgeon general. Yeah.

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And like, I don't know anything about politics. I understand that that article was very easy read. It was just perfect for the lay woman. Easy read. Easy read.

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Follow me, guys, please. I'm very lonely. Cocaines. What?

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Cockfighting. That's good. Fishing off of places you're not supposed to fish off of. Cockfighting and also chickens fighting as well.

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Oh, yeah. Like a ballet. Don't they have ballets and stuff at the beginning? Yeah.

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Large disaster, Billy.

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Why don't you run it, though? Why don't you offer to produce it?

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No, they need to do it in Homestead. That would be the idea, to do it in open field, like summer cool.

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I don't know.

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Key West. Holy shit. Oh, yeah. Running over the Seven Mile Bridge.

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We can say that now.

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Yeah, because you're Cuban now.

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Oh, and you're a Republican now, right? Hang on. Hang on. I got it.

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I'm a Hispanic, so I can say that now. No, I'm just kidding. But I love that. We can say that now. I need that, my ringtone. No. What else did they expect in Miami? I think it's wonderful. Would they want Billy Ray Cyrus? What else did they want to play there? I mean, country would have been cool. I get it.

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Of course it is. I think it's a very Miami. I think it's fine. I think people are complaining for no reason. For sure. What do you think?

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But diversity. But I'm sure there were somebody from every Hispanic country representing diversity.

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That's all I'm saying. No, the language thing is out. I don't think it's the language anymore. We can't just have a country that just speaks one language. I don't think many countries do that.

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And the Miami accent.

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I'm really trying to speak English. I speak English really well, but I don't even know why. Super well.

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I think that's what we have to work on first, people's accents, honestly.

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It limits us. It limits the country. It should be mandatory to know both. But then you have to throw in the Creole. You have to give it to the... Creole. Oh, wait a second.

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Yeah, because if we allow Spanish, then we also have to do the Creole. But we do that.

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That's what I'm saying.

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I'd say, shouldn't they be? Every single voicemail is like, para español, marque dos. You know, it's like, for real. Wait, but is that a problem? Or is that how it should be? I mean, it's great for my mom. Like, you know what I mean? She came here in 1985 and never tried. Like, never tried. She had the books, like Inglés y Barreras or whatever the f***. But they were never opened.

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My father gave them, never opened, didn't try. She was like, I won't have friends. She didn't care. She was just like, I have my daughters. I don't need anything else.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or... You get deported. Oh, they save that for black people. Yeah. You know what word that they like? I go to Mikusuki often to go gamble there. Mikusuki Casino. I don't know if you guys have ever been there. My favorite place. My favorite place. It's out on Chrome? Yeah, on Chrome.

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That's where the Olympics should be. Oh, my God.

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But yeah, gambling is a big thing now, so it's fine. It's okay for me to gamble now, openly.

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No, no, no. It pays out well. But anyway, those people over there do not speak a lick of English. It's mostly Cuban people gambling a lot and not speaking English, but they know the words that benefit them. When they win, they'll be like, cash out! And that means cash out. So they know the words. Yak butt! They know the words. Yakbot? Yakbot! Yakbot! Sorry to scream.