Norma Licciardi

Robert had called me and he was talking to me about, you know, things that can happen. You know, do I know where your kids are at? He was, you know, wasn't threatening me, but making sure that I'm aware of things can happen unexpectedly. And so that's when I told him, you know, Robert, you touch my kids, I will kill you.

Robert had called me and he was talking to me about, you know, things that can happen. You know, do I know where your kids are at? He was, you know, wasn't threatening me, but making sure that I'm aware of things can happen unexpectedly. And so that's when I told him, you know, Robert, you touch my kids, I will kill you.

We had a code word for my daughters. If I had to have someone pick them up, that person would have to they would have to ask them the code word and the person would get it from me. And if they gave them the code word, then they were it was OK that they were to go with them.

We had a code word for my daughters. If I had to have someone pick them up, that person would have to they would have to ask them the code word and the person would get it from me. And if they gave them the code word, then they were it was OK that they were to go with them.

With Michael out of the way, then Robert can come in and his mind take over the business.

With Michael out of the way, then Robert can come in and his mind take over the business.

They went to at the ranch and they had Robert had bought this gun. So Michael shot it and it backfired.

They went to at the ranch and they had Robert had bought this gun. So Michael shot it and it backfired.

And so they called me. The office called me that Robert was there. I go, what's he doing there?

And so they called me. The office called me that Robert was there. I go, what's he doing there?

The girls were upset because he was fighting with Babitsky.

The girls were upset because he was fighting with Babitsky.

I said, well, just tell him to leave. He said, no, he's not. I thought he was arguing. He was physically beating Babitsky up.

I said, well, just tell him to leave. He said, no, he's not. I thought he was arguing. He was physically beating Babitsky up.

And I said, don't let him out of your sight. He has a gun. He's got a gun somewhere, I said. And if it's not on him, it's somewhere in the building.

And I said, don't let him out of your sight. He has a gun. He's got a gun somewhere, I said. And if it's not on him, it's somewhere in the building.

That was the only night that all of us had a good sleep because they had him in jail.

That was the only night that all of us had a good sleep because they had him in jail.

The next day he got out because they couldn't get him on federal charges because they didn't find the gun on him. Oh, I was so frustrated.

The next day he got out because they couldn't get him on federal charges because they didn't find the gun on him. Oh, I was so frustrated.

Yeah, the SWAT team being called. He got a little coked up.

Yeah, the SWAT team being called. He got a little coked up.

It's just the way that my brothers think. They are totally different personality-wise, but one thing that is about the both of them is they're in it for themselves. They didn't want to wait for the gravy train to come into the station.

It's just the way that my brothers think. They are totally different personality-wise, but one thing that is about the both of them is they're in it for themselves. They didn't want to wait for the gravy train to come into the station.

Nope. And I wouldn't sign it Joan anyway.

Nope. And I wouldn't sign it Joan anyway.

I don't know what she was thinking, but all I could see was fear on her face.

I don't know what she was thinking, but all I could see was fear on her face.

As soon as you rang the doorbell, the cameras would go on so we could see. We also had stuck a wall, a courtyard put up, and we, Michael, attacked, trained our Doberman,

As soon as you rang the doorbell, the cameras would go on so we could see. We also had stuck a wall, a courtyard put up, and we, Michael, attacked, trained our Doberman,

He was in our backyard playing with a dog, and he just bent down to, he was picking up the ball or whatever, and he felt a bullet go by. It hit the house.

He was in our backyard playing with a dog, and he just bent down to, he was picking up the ball or whatever, and he felt a bullet go by. It hit the house.

It hit the awning, and so it had ricocheted.

It hit the awning, and so it had ricocheted.

And so the next day he told me about it.

And so the next day he told me about it.

He couldn't swim. And to her horror... I found it in the drain.

He couldn't swim. And to her horror... I found it in the drain.

I believe he was wired just by the questions he was asking Michael. And so I told Michael, he's, you know, he's trying to trap you, you and that van out there.

I believe he was wired just by the questions he was asking Michael. And so I told Michael, he's, you know, he's trying to trap you, you and that van out there.

And that was, I think, got him killed.

And that was, I think, got him killed.

The paramedics were there when we walked in. His dad was laying on the couch. He looked like he was asleep. And then it's when I went into the kitchen, pulled Michael aside, and I told him that his dad had a bullet hole behind the ear.

The paramedics were there when we walked in. His dad was laying on the couch. He looked like he was asleep. And then it's when I went into the kitchen, pulled Michael aside, and I told him that his dad had a bullet hole behind the ear.

And he came in just, I want to say in a trench coat.

And he came in just, I want to say in a trench coat.

Gave his condolences real quick, and just as fast as he came, he left.

Gave his condolences real quick, and just as fast as he came, he left.

I don't know who he was afraid of, but Anthony Scotto was petrified.

I don't know who he was afraid of, but Anthony Scotto was petrified.

Robert was there, and the paramedics were there when we walked in. And we were standing there and looking. His dad was laying on the couch. He looked like he was asleep. And Michael asked, well, what are we waiting for? And they were waiting for the coroner, they told him.

Robert was there, and the paramedics were there when we walked in. And we were standing there and looking. His dad was laying on the couch. He looked like he was asleep. And Michael asked, well, what are we waiting for? And they were waiting for the coroner, they told him.

Michael and Robert went into the kitchen. I figured Robert and Michael wanted to talk, so I let them go. And I was there by myself when they moved, when the paramedics moved him and a little bit of blood I saw come out from behind the, I want to say a left ear.

Michael and Robert went into the kitchen. I figured Robert and Michael wanted to talk, so I let them go. And I was there by myself when they moved, when the paramedics moved him and a little bit of blood I saw come out from behind the, I want to say a left ear.

And then it's when I went into the kitchen, pulled Michael aside, and I told him that his dad had a bullet hole behind the ear.

And then it's when I went into the kitchen, pulled Michael aside, and I told him that his dad had a bullet hole behind the ear.

And the look on her face was total fear.

And the look on her face was total fear.