Nathan
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All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
It’s Chastity: You’re Blushing Just Thinking About It
Don't kill him.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
and yet has extremely low rates of violent crime. Yeah. Why isn't Japan just made up of an island nation of murderers, and yet there they are with very low rates of violent crime?
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
family yeah whatever everyone is family and it's just like they're the amount of squealing tires and stuff just to get to the nearest applebee's it's yeah it's it is i mean that is i think that's real i don't know if there are any studies on that but i am definitely like alpha case number one that i could watch 15 minutes of ronin and walk out of my house and be a danger to myself and all of a sudden you're driving yeah
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Well, and so I feel like it's, I don't want it to come across like I'm suggesting even a little bit that we should just introduce our young children to more violence in video games and media. Right. Because because it's uncertain. But I think it's it's not it's disingenuous to present the case that violence in media leads to violence in real life because it's uncertain. We just don't.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
It's not clear. If it were clear, we would know. And it's not we're demonizing it. It's a we're demonizing it. It always has. It's a moral panic. Yeah. So I think it's fascinating. And I'm not going to say I don't want to go play my video game after we talk about this. That's what I've learned is that talking about wrath just makes me want to go exercise some demons.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Tom's doing great. Tom's jaw is locked on some bark around a tree. A quote from Shirley by Charlotte Bronte. You do not know how the people of this country bear malice. It is the boast of some of them that they can keep a stone in their pocket seven years, turn it at the end of that time, keep it seven years longer, and hurl it and hit their mark at last.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Tom, we are unleashing our wrath today. That's right. Our righteous anger. Rar.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
The phenomenon of the beep back. The phenomenon of the beep back. What would that possibly have been? No, I don't. Oh, was this a horn related event? It was definitely horn related. Yeah, where somebody does something and you honk at them or you get honked at and it's like a reciprocal honking. Is it something like that? Correct.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Okay. Not the last. Rar to you, for sure. Yes. Okay. So as to set the stage, should we talk about what wrath is? Should we allow our friend to step in? Who, our robot friend? Sure. Unless he's going to be a real meanie about it.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
I've had that wish. I've had that wish.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
I want them to drive on their rims for a little while. Yeah.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Okay. Here's what hits me first. Do you have daddy issues? No. What hits me first is that Wrath, as we've been talking about it, feels very much like the... It's the example of loss of control, right? We're talking about the Hulk, right? It's just like you lose control. And... Loss of control, when you feel unsafe, that is also an example of loss of control.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
And so it makes sense to me where if I'm scared because I am on the verge of losing control of my vehicle somehow, that I would end up lashing out in that sort of immediate wrath, that hormonal wrath, because that is what's going to fuel me to regain control.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
irrationally irrationally it's almost like making your heartbeat faster so blood goes to the places where it needs it almost right it's almost like a burst of adrenaline we're we're neanderthals you and me we're neanderthals right we're hanging around at the fire pit and we happen to have clubs and let's just say uh i do something that makes you feel out of control and your first instinct is
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
in that wrathful environment might just be to hit me over the head. And what doing that will do is put you back in control, right? Okay, right. That puts you back into control. So doesn't that make sense that that would be the thing that you wish is essentially violence on others, right? But it puts you back in a position of power and authority.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Or even better, my relationship with my mind powers to pop all their tires makes the world safer because they're a danger. That's interesting. They're so dangerous. I'm doing a service. Yeah. I am John wicking the roads. Mine was a little bit different than yours.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
I did have the tire thing, but I also then saw, I don't even remember what it was, Beverly Hills Cop maybe or one of the Police Academy movies where I had laser mind power and I could saw a car in half and the car would just like and slide off in two pieces where you'd have the people still driving on the front two wheels just dragging the back of the car.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Yeah, they were totally Flintstoning it. And so that was mine when I first started driving. That was my head voice was always like, which car am I going to cut in half now, right? And it was always an example of it would get them out of the way, right? Because they're worse than me.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Right.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing. And because you, I mean, as you're using your words, you're a beta soy boy. Yeah. Like yours ends in the mind. But I think you're right. To call out when that lack of control drives you to regain real practical in-world control and do stupid things.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Yeah.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
She had that one locked and loaded. Hey, I can't see you.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Well, this is what – so, of course, I'm thinking about why we're doing sins and virtues this season. Why is wrath one of the seven deadly sins? Yeah. And I think this is interesting, especially in the context of the seven deadly sins specifically, because we've kind of talked about this a little bit around the edges. Why was it at its earliest considered a sin?
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
If you were the Hulk, you would have crushed her engine and that would have been equally satisfying.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Yeah, you won't like me when I'm walking my dog. This is the interesting thing. We talked about Confucianism last week, I think. We were talking about humility, I think. And we were talking about Confucianism and Eastern cultural thoughts on wrath. And so much of that is around...
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
control and harmony and wrath leads to disharmony right and so that's one of the reasons i think going back to what we talked about early on about japan um being having one of the lowest uh violent crime uh statistics and yet a lot of violent media their movies are crazy That's kind of it, right?
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Is that they don't have necessarily the Western vein of wrath that sits so close to the surface of our forehead skin, right? It's maybe very deeper, right? Like that it's put away because of thousands of years of history, of cultural history, right?
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Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
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Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
where they adapt to this emphasis on shame over guilt and how wrath is perceived and honor and face and all of those sort of concepts that we don't have. We are okay. You know, you're saying Americans, for instance. Exactly. Right. I would say the West. Right. We're OK being idiots.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Yeah. And look like the example of. Okay, I'll just say the Karen meme, right? Karen's, right? The example, like, go look for the footage of that woman who was clearly in extraordinary state of trauma that she was blind to reality, yelling at the birdwatcher who just asked her to leash her dog. Right. That was a...
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
A complete innocent exchange, and she was blinded by fear that led her to this wrathful exchange, this screaming exchange at this innocent black man who was doing nothing.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
It became ridiculous. It became ridiculous and it became an internet thing. But ultimately it's very, very sad because that's somebody who's living in trauma that is unaddressed and fear that is unaddressed. And I think that's what I get out of it. Like this is all an effort to figure out how anger can drive us toward regaining control and agency in our experiences. That's my take on it.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
My completely idiotic, unexperienced take.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
More beeping. And beeping back. Do you know what we don't have? What? We don't have any, like this whole season, we've done like five episodes and we haven't come up with any new products. I have one. What's that?
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Okay. I'm just going to say as a teaser, we're going to have a post-show chat today. Oh, what? So members, I have a story about that. Yeah. Feeling Friends, hold on. Because when we're done, I have a story and it's just about this. And I think you're going to love it. I think you're going to love it. Okay.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Because when left unchecked, it can lead to various harmful and other destructive behaviors, right? So wrath itself might be okay right up until the moment that it leads to death. Violent violence and physical harm against others or holding severe grudges, harboring resentment or seeking revenge. Vengeance is a real negative outcome of right.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Oh, we say, sorry. Sorry. Please control your wrath by becoming a Feeling Friend. And until then, we still love you. And now, a thing Mark Twain maybe said.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Thank you all so much for joining us this week for another fascinating episode of All Feelings. We are thrilled to be here. This week's tune is Howlin' at the Moon by Define Us. Howlin' at the Moon, right? Wrath.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
This is my wrath coming out. At the end of the season, you're going to need your own murder board with a lot of yarn because it goes all the way to the top.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
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All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Right. I think you said it right. I think it's OK. You're allowed to recognize anger as long as it doesn't lead to. To something else more violent or I see.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Yeah. The early Greeks were really into pillow fighting. And they thought that when you had experience, right, you just hit a pillow real hard and you'll be fine after a little while. They were into the earliest talk therapy. But back then we thought pillows were made of granite. Like we didn't know what comfort was. So everything sucked.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Well, here's the other interesting thing that I found, that some sources actually include in definitions of the destructive behavior of wrath, verbal abuse and hurtful speech or damaged relationships and broken trust.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
So that feels like a kind of a social construct now and not just a physical like manifestation of violence.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Yeah. Also, my feelings are hurt. Also, words will hurt me too. Right. Sticks and stones break my bones and so do words. That's what it should say.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
But words will never hurt me. Yeah, right. Right. So that's the thing that I think is really interesting. And so the concept, you know, I don't know. What do you think? The Greeks, the early Christian thoughts, you know. At one point in the fourth century, there was a Greek monk, Evagrius Ponticus, who identified eight –
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Yeah, status quo. Well, okay. That's where I am. That's where I found myself really getting sidetracked about this whole thing. Because, you know, we talk about all the history of rap. Yes, it was on Seven Deadly Sins and the Greeks and the Romans threw people at lions and as an exercise of catharsis. But really, I'm interested in pop culture, right? I'm interested in why.
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Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
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Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
We humans have such a satisfaction or find such satisfaction in seeing stories of wrath on screen and in books. Why is Patrick Bateman one of my favorite literary characters? Why do we love John Wick seeking such retribution because of the dog? Why is that important to us? What do you think?
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Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
But the opposite is true too because he's – so he's an exercise in vengeance, but the people he's fighting are just exercises in wrath and violence. Good point.
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Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
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Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
That I think is it. And I was trying to put my finger on it and you just, I think you just said it. One of the characters that I think is best to describe the dehumanization of Wrath is the Incredible Hulk. Oh, interesting. Go more into that. I don't know. Well, you won't like me when I'm angry. That's his main jam.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
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Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
And that, I think, is the moniker for how we in pop culture look and resonate with wrath. Like angry people, we don't like them. We don't generally like angry people, even when we see that part of us, that part of them in ourselves. Right. but the character as a sociological exercise is this character who is totally chill until he's not. And then he's out of control and full of shame and regret.
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Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
And it didn't take long for this other character to be invented abomination, which is this character of a guy who welcomed that sort of wrath, like to be free and not constrained by it was, it was, um, It was in the Ang Lee. Oh, the Edward Norton – Hulk, which one was it in the one with abomination and William Hurt was introduced?
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
I think it was just Yeah, I think it was it was just the Hulk one, the main first one in the series, classic Hulk plane, Hulk, Hulk, yeah, Vanilla Hulk. And, and so it was, it was this exercise in, like, this is what happens when you sort of weaponize wrath, and it's ugly, and the character design is ugly it and it is worse than the Hulk's view version of wrath, right? It's disgusting.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
And I think that's a really interesting exercise because it really demonstrates the dehumanization, the literal dehumanization. It turns humans into monsters.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Purple shorts.
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Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Well, then it's Lovecraft, right? Like then it's, Then it's an example of the unseen mysterious evil that just does bad, but we don't get the sort of power fantasy, right? Because wrath in pop culture is seen as a mode of empowerment. John Wick is an empowering movie because you can kind of put yourself in a suit and having skills that nobody else has. And oh, speaking of skills, right?
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Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Like what is the Neeson movie? I have a certain set of skills, right? Yeah. So that's, those are power fantasies that allow us to live vicariously and be fulfilled by this thing that we can't, as you said earlier, we can't exude ourselves. So there's this other interpretation that I found that was really interesting that used the words moral disengagement.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Oh, like, you know, the rules, but you don't care. Yeah. Right. So we, as members of the audience. get to look at this character like John Wick again, we'll say, and suspend our ethical standards temporarily in order to rationalize extremely violent or angry, wrathful behavior as justifiable in that context, something that we know we would never do.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
My first experience with that, like really recognizing it was John Rambo, right? First Blood. I saw First Blood. I was like, this guy is killing police officers in an incredibly violent way. And he, yet he is just a guy returning from the war that nobody understands. He deserves to have this. He deserves this retribution to serve it to others who deserve his wrath.
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Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
And where does that possibly come from? In my head, it should not belong there, right? And yet it's viscerally satisfying to watch that happen.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
You know, I'm really glad you said that because I think that's sort of the next logical step is to say, look, is all this violent media and video games? We spent our pre-show chat talking about just the levels to which we will go to kill video game characters. Like I am a straight up murderer of Mongols, right?
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Like that's just, and I've spent a hundred hours in this one particular game and now I'm moving on fighting for the revolution. And I love living in those spaces, but they're very violent, inarguably violent, right? So you ask the question, what really is the relationship between media violence and real world aggression? And it turns out it's mixed, right?
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Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
There are many studies that come out and say, you know what, there's a part of it that just experiencing this catharsis actually makes you more chill. than you actually are. There is evidence that says, do violent video games actually have an impact on your violent lifestyle? Are you going to go out and beat people up
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Wrath: A Love Story (Just Kidding, It's Mostly About Honking)
Probably not were it not for wildly violent cultural and community sort of standards in which you're living. If you live in a community where you are exposed to real life violence, if you grew up in an abusive home, those are the things that actually have a greater trigger and lead to real life violence. And I think that's so interesting. Japan has the highest consumption of violent media.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
If you had to choose. Now, before you answer that question, I think we have to decide the difference between the two. Do you know what the difference between the two is? Because unless you're a smarty pants, which I think you are, I thought that they were literally the same word. Not literally the same word. That would be insane. I thought I've been using them synonymously. Is that the right word?
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Interchangeably. My entire life. I never thought that there was a difference between the two. And there is. And I was wondering if you perhaps know what it is.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
The difference is, even if you look very closely at those two definitions, envy, for lack of a better word, and this isn't science-y stuff. This is all my writing, so if I'm a little bit jumping, my apologies. Envy seems like is when you want what someone else has. Jealousy is when you're worried that someone's going to take what you have. Do you see the difference between those two?
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
So if you want your neighbor's... This I found on the internet. If you want your neighbor's new convertible, you feel envy. Envious. If your neighbor takes your wife for a ride in that new convertible, you feel jealousy. You're jealous. You're afraid you're never going to come back and you just wave goodbye to your wife and she lives in a convertible now.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Right, because jealousy involves another party.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Usually, because you're worried that something will be taken. Correct. Envy is internal. Envy is something that you're feeling inside. Jealousy, well, jealousy is also something that you feel inside, but it's about other things. It's from, it's hard.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
It's hard because also envy is internal, but it can lead to external actions because, you know, what's the most famous thing about envy if you had to pick? I don't know where we're going here. What is the most famous thing about envy? Well, envy is a deadly sin. Oh, it's one of the bigs. Envy, if you're comparing envy and jealousy, jealousy is not a deadly sin.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Envy is a deadly sin because where does the deadly sin come from? Do you know that from the Bible? You are going to be the one to answer that. That's a cell phone. It's Cain and Abel. Cain felt envious of... his brother's offering of lamb was chosen over his offering of wheat. And so Cain committed the first murder. He slow, he slayed, slain, slain? He slewed. He unbegadded.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
He slayed his brother like a real Bible jerk. I don't know any of the words. That's why it's a deadly sin.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
And thou shalt be pescatarian. So, okay, so those are the two. Are you able to separate them at least a little bit? One is more, you've got the stuff and you're afraid someone's going to take it away, or you don't have the stuff, but you want it. That's jealousy and envy, respectively. Yeah, okay. So... Now that we have that sort of, I want to try this again.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
If you had to pick, because I know what I thought, but then I went and reversed it. Spoiler alert. If you had to choose one, would you rather be envious or jealous? And why? Really putting you on the spot.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Until your neighbor gets that convertible.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Right, you're filling a void, and you're filling it with something dark, because that's, yeah, well, we're also anxious people. Yeah, I don't love that.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Yeah, that's what we talked about an episode or two ago. Ideally, if you're going to make something up, make it happy.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Right, the convertible crashes, but then she flies out right into your arms. Into my arms, right. That's not a good way to do it. And I'm riding a unicorn at the time. Sure. Would you like to know me? Of course. I thought it would be better. I would rather feel jealousy after knowing the difference between these two because I have the thing that I want.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Like, it starts with jealousy is you have something and you're afraid it's going to be taken away. And so I was like, oh, but in that case, sure, I'm a little anxious about it, but I have the thing. Like, it's better to have and lose than never had at all or whatever I read at HomeGoods.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Maybe. Just make you a real Scrooge McTom. Well, I love diving into my coin room. So that's why I thought I would rather feel jealousy. But jealousy involves feeling, like you said, unsafe or bad about other people. And that's something I strive not to do, just like you just said. And I switched to envy because envy, even though it's a gross internal feeling, it can also be a motivator.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
When used correctly, I want that thing. Because there's two types of envy. Can I break it down for you real quick? I hope you do. There's malicious envy and non-malicious envy. Do you want to guess what those are or should I just blaze right through? You can probably figure it out. Yeah. Malicious envy involves hostility or resentment toward another person who has it better than you.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
You it's almost like you want to take away what they have or you want to undermine their success or happiness. You wish them the worst because you don't have it. Non malicious envy focuses more on the objects and wondering how did they get it? And can I do the same thing? You don't actually want their thing. That's where covet is.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
You don't necessarily want their thing, but you want your own version of it. That's non-malicious envy. And that can be a really good motivator for things. It's how it's like what vision boards are. Vision boards are in a way non malicious envy is you put up all of these pictures from magazines of things that you want. And you're like, how am I going to do those?
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
I don't think you should shoot a wish laser out into the universe. For those of you that are still but just found the secret. I think instead you should like take night classes, whatever you need to do on the ground. We've all heard the phrase, pride goes before the fall.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
And we've all been quoting it incorrectly, as the actual phrase from Proverbs 16.18 reads, Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall. Either version of this quote can be applied to a 39-year-old daredevil named Robert Overacker. Although a combination of the word fall and the word destruction might be most apt.
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And yet how many episodes do we have for every season of our podcast? 12. Wait a minute, Pete. How are we going to do it? We're only having 12 this season, and yet we have 14 things. How? It's because we've already done some! I answered my own riddle. That was so tricky.
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For Mr. Overacker wanted to attempt a stunt that no one had ever tried before. He was going to ride a jet ski off Niagara Falls. When warned against embarking upon this harrowing feat, Overacker's confidence and yes, perhaps his pride got the best of him. He would be fine, he explained, because he had done some careful planning.
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You see, his jet ski was fitted with a rocket booster, which would launch him well away from the waterfall when he reached its brink, and the parachute on his back would help him float safely to the water below. Unfortunately, in all of this careful planning, Mr. Overacker overlooked one important fact, the fact that water is wet.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
As such, on October 1st, 1995, at approximately 12.35 p.m., after entering the Niagara River near a power plant, Mr. Overacker, chest surely pumping with pride and ambition, navigated his jet ski to the brink of the falls and pressed the ignition for his rocket booster, which was soaking wet and thus failed to ignite.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
On his immediate and unplanned descent, he tried to open his parachute, which was equally waterlogged and failed to deploy. Much like Icarus from Greek mythology, perhaps the late Robert Overacker's pride and haughty spirit led to his fall and destruction.
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But, much like the end of Thelma and Louise, why don't we instead freeze him, taking a snapshot of his last moment of glory, when he's at the brink of the majestic waterfall, his rocket booster at the ready, his parachute waiting to unfold, his historic flight about to take off. Now that's a moment worthy of envy.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
So we talked about Pride in episode 805. Thank you, Robot. And we started with your segment. I'd like to start with your segment where you broke down Pride into the types of Pride. Most people would just think it's Pride or no Pride. No, Pete, there's a good type and a bad type. What are they?
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Last season, when we switched over to the All the Feelings, not knowing that we were eventually going to be talking about Sins and Virtues, we talked about Envy and Pride. And so, ladies and gentlemen, for the first time, this is exciting. We got a clip show, Pete. And if you say it really excitingly, people might not realize how lazy that makes us.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Does that make sense? Well, it does, because that's and I'll be getting into that a little bit more in my is that pride is an internal feeling, but that usually also comes from an external additional feeling that you said that I feel that I did good, but it also needs other people saying you did good.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
It's a car crash of those two things that can be sometimes really easy, sometimes really hard, especially in a non-performing situation for both of those to feel because I think you really do need both of those. That's what makes it partly authentic pride versus hubristic.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Wait, who is Dr. Tracy?
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
It's like a friend of the show. It's how you made it sound like. Dr. Tracy, who's in the other room?
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Right, because one comes from inner strength. The other one is trying to pretend, look how much inner strength I have. So one is radiating, authentic pride is radiating into yourself, right? Hubristic pride exists only to radiate out to others.
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Because they're just- They're just – they're bailing emotional water all the time.
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Right. It's a band-aid. Social behavior. You're just trying to fill in all the holes. God, if there was ever anyone in the news that represented that kind of hubristic, I just can't – nothing comes to mind. That's so interesting.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
And I've been thinking about that a lot. The idea of hubristic versus authentic pride, not as much that, but the idea of taking every sin or every virtue and seeing if you can break it apart. That too often, I think I've always thought of things as either good or bad. While I live most of my life in an area of gray, I've taken certain words and not tried to pick them apart.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
I don't have an example for you. I just, I want to always keep that in mind. There can be jealousy, for instance, like, well, here, let's keep going because this gets in to a new thing of there's a good part that can come from envy or jealousy. Because for my segment, I talked about a socially. Oh, real quick. I should have said this up front.
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Avid listeners will notice that it sounds like I swallowed all of the gravel in this episode. I was suffering from not this episode, the episode that you're listening to. I was suffering from a terrible sore throat that I got. You will remember from saving orphans in a fire. So that's why I sound so eye-wateringly terrible whenever I talk.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Anyways, for my segment, I talked about a social experiment by psychology professor David Desteno that involved using pride as a motivator for harder or better work. So not sitting on your laurels, but instead using pride to help you do better work. I am not proud of how long it took me to explain the experiment in this episode. In the multiverse, I'm still explaining it.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
And we both have long gray beards. Like it is, I swear, it's like 20 minutes of me explaining it for three seconds of, oh, interesting. So anyways, we're not going to go into all that. What you need to know is using pride as a motivator led you, Pete, to have a nice thought about raising your children. And I want to share it real quick. Okay.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
I don't listen to the show.
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And we have a brand new Feeling Friends segment. There's reasons to listen to this. And only to remember, we have chosen the choicest cuts of podcasts.
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All these episodes later.
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Right. How many things have you accidentally... With all people. With all people, you're really out of sight, out of mind. How many times have they come home from something and been like, why is my room filled with files? Yeah. Like you just... That this room is like it was a border and they're gone now.
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You go to offices and say, like, can I take any files off your hands? I just like the idea of files.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
You're a real aficionado, a file aficionado. Write that down.
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Oh, that's right.
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I think all of this, of course, all the heavenly virtues, but then all of the deadly sins, they all have a good potential aspect to them. You just got to keep an eye on it. I think that should be the subtitle of this whole season is sins and virtues. Keep an eye on it. Keep an eye on it.
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Uh, because we're going in alphabetical order. Do you want to go first, sir?
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Long time talker, no time listener. Thank you, everybody. We are going back to a normal episode next week. Pete, what do we have?
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Let's definitely have that in there, though, because I don't want to just talk about not drinking. That sounds like a drag.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
For that episode, we're going to do a clip show of what we tried all those canned alcoholic drinks. It's just clip shows from here on out.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Yeah, that's our summer break.
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And that wasn't that other week's tune. Spoiler alert. Thank you so much for downloading. Until next week, I'm Tommy Metz III.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Some would say our sin shows have been our most fun shows.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Yeah, but I remember going back just a couple episodes of being like, diligence, huh? It's tough to get in. We got in and it was really fun, but yeah.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
They it's they're they're an interesting collection because they're not just completely separate. Like if someone is really proud of something because they've accomplished something that can lead to other people's envy. Right. Of your proud, of you being up on that pedestal, which is interesting. So it's either having achieved or desperately wanting to achieve.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
But then also an unenviable situation is having pride when you shouldn't. We will be getting into that. Because I took pride, you took envy. So we'll be getting into that a little bit, reminding the different types of pride. Well, I'll get into that later. Sorry.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Why are humans jealousy jealous?
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
I guess humans are jealousy jealous because. Envious, I know, because you would just see the difference between you and someone else. You mean like evolutionary? I don't know. I don't know if I have a thing.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Yes, to a certain extent. I guess if you had when resources were very little and you had a teeny bit of what was important, like a rock or stone. A rock or a stone. There's a huge difference. If you have a rock and you're like, boy is boy, that stone looks good. That maybe it came out of just... self-protection that you had the thing that you needed.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
And so if it got taken away from you, you would be in a lot of trouble. Boy, that's all I got. I don't like it.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Put that in English again.
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Got it. Thus, the tribe continues and gets bigger and better. And thrives and is healthy. Oh, so that's not humans? That's all animals?
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
So how does jealousy then manifest in that? Is it that you work harder to keep your mate happy so they won't swan all over the place? Well, both ways. Okay.
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Jealousy. Male-bodied people, I would just because... We like to knock things over with our penises. I would think that we would maybe respond with suspicion and aggression, maybe keeping people away.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Oh, like flirtation? Yeah. Something like that? You're digging in the right hole. Okay, gross. I would think that it would be... Well, yeah, jealous that someone can take our mate away. I guess that's – I'm sort of saying the same things over and over again. You could say it in fewer letters, as many as three.
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Love? Affection? Is that sexist to say? Emotional connection.
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But it's just that one is more of a priority, I guess. Yeah, yeah. Takes up more of a fixation. Okay. Right.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Stay there. I got it. Bingo cards are out. Everyone that has a bingo card, that's one of the spaces.
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Oh, it's a real sign of respect? Yes. Okay. Wow.
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So it's like pretending that you're so cool and open with everything, but really it's simmering. Everything's simmering underneath. Right. Got it.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
without talking about jealousy right do you remember this i do but i want to re-hear it to remember fully but i do remember that i am remembering now for the first time that we took on both envy and jealousy because we originally had them separate and they just overlapped so much we got skittish podcast the worst kind podcast skittish