Mary

Thanks. My name's Madison, and so when I was little and people called me Maddie, I just cut off the S-O-N.

Smart. Efficient.

I do. For context, I grew up in Northern Virginia, which is kind of intense with sports, kind of intense with academics.

It might just be because it's outside of D.C., but I know that it's like nationally ranked in academics. And I did crew. I rode from my high school and we had to practice five days a week. We had races on Saturdays and it was a whole day affair. Also, we were required to go to this training camp every spring break and it was in South Carolina.

Our whole team would get in a bus and we would drive eight or nine hours down to South Carolina to go to this crew camp. And we would practice and train for six to eight hours every day for a whole week. It was fun. It was a cool destination. It was a Boy Scout camp. So the place itself was maybe a little bit run down, but it was fun for high school. We were having a great time.

We were a little sleep deprived. It was all together a good experience. And we were down there and I've got two kind of related stories to share from the same trip. Also, our coach was probably as old as I am now. I'm like 27. I don't think this guy could have been older than I am. Oh, oh.

He was in the military and then wasn't anymore. I think he had some sort of experience with crew and he took himself very seriously. But we as a team maybe didn't take him as seriously as he would have maybe liked us to.

So he had the idea that we should go on a night row, which isn't a thing. Never done it before. Never done it since. But he thought we should go rowing at night by the moonlight. And as an adult now, I know that there are requirements for the kinds of lights that you need to have on a boat to go out in the water at night. You need a little light in the front and a light in the back.

We didn't have that. The coach gift did not have that. And it's kind of a silly atmosphere. It's very leisurely. It's a little whimsical. And we're out here and we're rowing and something hits the bottom of our boat.

We're in a lake and you're not supposed to keep going. If something hits your boat, you're supposed to stop because the rudder underneath can break off. So we stopped rowing and whatever it is that's just hit our boat is now sliding towards the front of our boat, but in a way of like a living creature. No. Like it's not going in the same direction as the current.

And we're in South Carolina, so we're sure that this is an alligator that's underneath our boat.

Oh, I hate your coat.

So that alleged alligator then hits, like thwacks, the bottom of the boat in the front. So we're spooked. It's dark. And we've been messing around this whole time. So the tatter from us is not probably alerting our coach that anything's wrong. The girl in the front of the boat then starts telling everybody that there is water coming in to the boat. boat from underneath her feet.

We're trying desperately to get the attention of our coach. He comes over. It's really hard to get a little motorized boat next to the really small crew boat that we have. So he's trying to investigate and see what's going on, but he can't really see. So he just takes our word for it and he gets on his coach voice and he's like, all right, we got a power 10 all the way back to the dock.

So now this goes from like leisurely funny and then we're rowing full speed all the way back to the dock.

He did shine a light. I can't remember if it was his phone flashlight or if it was an actual flashlight. We know it was the phone.

So we get back. He sees that there is a hole. We can't take that boat out anymore because we have to repair it back in Virginia. So that boat is out of commission. Then we fast forward to the last day of our crew camp. We would always do like a scrimmage. On this day, it was really cold, maybe 45 or 50 degrees, and it was really windy.

And other coaches had safety concerns about putting us out on the water because there was white caps and it was really windy. obviously our ex military coach is having none of that. So he determines that we should probably go on this race, even if it's just the boats from our school. So he's like, we're going to have our own scrimmage. It's going to be great.

So we're mad and it's, Hard to kind of row against the waves and we're generally not having a super great time. And we get like five or 10 minutes out from the dock. And then he realizes that the other boat that was with us is lagging behind. So he tells us to pull our boat over into this little cove off the main waterway of the lake. And he says he's going to go back and check on the other group.

So he goes back and we're sitting there and the waves are lapping up on the boat and it's uncomfortable. It's splashing us like it's really cold. Quickly, the boat starts taking on water. Oh, the waves are coming over the side of the boat. We start trying to bail out the boat with our water bottles, with our shoes and by just splashing water out. That's clearly doing nothing outside.

I don't know how much time elapsed between when he told us to pull over and when we're like waist deep in water. But I think it was five to 10 minutes. And I'm talking like I was up to my waist. The boat was underneath the water, but we were still sitting in it. Oh, my God. He's coming over and we're like arms up in the air, screaming, panicking. There's crying. There's laughing.

Everything's kind of going on.

No one thought about that. And I couldn't tell you why. There wasn't like a shore shore that we could have rowed to. It was houses with docks and like a seawall. But nobody thought that we should move or do anything.

Yeah, it's literally Stockholm syndrome.

He comes over and he yells at us and he says, listen to me, you need to row. And at the time, that was the most hilarious instruction that could have been given because we're almost sunk and it's hard to get out of the water. And so nobody listened to him right away. And then his complex kicks in and he's like, I know what the hell I'm doing. You need to row. And so he's yelling at us.

So then we do start trying to get our little oars up out of the water and like push the water back. And we get a little bit of momentum and we come up out of the water a little bit, but barely. And then his next instruction to us is that we need to get rid of our oars because these boats are really skinny and the oars are really long. And so the oars are kind of keeping the boat balanced.

And the goal is essentially for us to abandon the ship and flip it over. Okay. Oh, we need to jump off on opposite sides of the boat. We all get off. And at this point, my memory is a little bit fuzzy because we're in the water and it's freezing and we know there's alligators in there. At some point during this predicament, a family came out on their dock and they saw what was happening.

And some man yelling.

They must have beckoned to us or to our coach to say that we could come to their dock if we needed to get out of the water. And our coach informed us that he was going to rescue the boat. He was like, I'm going to take the boat back so that the boat is safe. So he hooks the boat up to a tow line and it pieces out of the situation. What? What? While you guys were just in the water?

Yeah, we're in the water. We're 14. I'm just really glad we could all swim. Did you have life vests on? No. And we had layers on. Like I had a sweatshirt and this little vortex jacket because it was cold. So we're like sailing around. He leaves with the boat. We go up onto the dock of these strangers and then they took us into their house and gave us towels and tea. So luckily they were

Good Samaritan strangers. Very well. You could have never heard from the nine of us again because he just left.

We had to call a parent chaperone from the home phone of this nice family's living room. And they had to drive from the camp to come get us and bring us back.

There are nine. So there's eight that row and then there's one that coaches or is like the captain.

Did that coach get fired? He didn't come back the next year. Okay, good.

We were all right that year. I think that there were other schools that were definitely a lot more competitive than us, but our boat did okay.

Alligators.

Oh, I did.

That's a bonding. That part's fun. Absolutely. It went down in history. We talked about it for years and years and years after.

Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for having me. Have a great day.

Bye.

Oh my God.

She would always call on my kids. And all she ever do is tell me how much she loved them. She loved my children like her own.

There were two people ahead on the trail, and it was difficult to tell how we would need to move. They were more on my side of the trail, but also in the middle of the trail up ahead and stuff.

They looked like they were together on the trail.

So I said hi, and I don't know if I heard her say hi or whether she mouthed hi, but she responded like, hi.

I just knew that she seemed tense. With the smile, I don't know. It just seemed unusual. And I'm on, I'm passing her on the south side. And she shifted her eyes to the south side.

I'm just looking at his face. I think I was, I don't know. I was maybe curious, but mostly I wanted to make sure he wasn't going to move into our lane. And I said hi.

No.

When you say hi to someone and you're Rude, indeed. Then again, that is how you stay alive. The couple continued to ride, but the whole interaction stuck with Mary. She even said something to Doug about it.

Thank you so much, Caroline. Great to be here. Thanks. So I had two questions, if that's OK. Sure. The first one last night and the second on Maine. You talked about behavior from Democrat lawmakers, a lot of disruptions. And I just wanted to kind of go back to that.

We saw Democrat lawmakers not stand for Lake and Riley, for Peyton McNabb, for the son of a slain police officer and 13-year-old cancer survivor. What are the optics of that nationally, just in terms of not just the people who were in the room last night, but across the nation? And also, was President Trump expecting this type of behavior when he was crafting his speech?

Thank you. And then on Maine, we know that the governor of Maine has really pushed back against the president's executive order saying that boys should not be in girls' sports. I spoke with a lawmaker from Maine this morning who told me she'd been censured by state lawmakers for calling a man a man and speaking up on this.

Hi, Charlie. Thank you for asking me to speak or allowing me to speak, I should say. I just have a question. I have noticed there is a large swing in, it seems like, younger numbers of people coming to Christ these days. And I would like to attribute a lot of that to you going around to the young people around the country. Thank you. Like I said, I grew up Christian. My father was a missionary.

I was able to live around the country because of that and things like that. So to me, being able to see all of these people getting saved and coming to Christ, do you feel like there's been a big switch in the age gap of people coming to Christ?

Yeah.

Do not think about that.

You know somebody is from Nevada when they say Nevada. The minute they say Nevada, they're not from here.

Um, uh, So, I'll just say first that I find myself in a situation of life where one day I'm convicted and I know exactly what I should do. The next day, I have no clue what I'm doing.

So I am in the middle of going through a divorce. So I'm hyper-focused on protecting my children because there's a lot just going on right now. And my biggest fear is that they'll kind of make wrong choices, right? So I want to make sure that I'm doing right by my kids. So the question is, how do I protect... my daughter, but not end up in that situation where I make her run.

Um, and it's all regarding a boy, new interest that has a troubled past. So I, I don't have all the details yet.

So he is 17. She is 15.

Well, I kind of do, because I think it speaks to his character. And the picture that's being painted to me is that he's in trouble because he was protecting someone. But you don't get arrested unless you did something wrong, right? So in my mind, I've already got a mismatch of what her perception is and what is actually happening.

So, yeah, just recently he was arrested and he's been on an ankle monitor since. And this week he's supposed to be off the ankle monitor and then supposedly going to have probation.

I've already told her that I need to sit down and have a conversation with him.

I just have not personally experienced, but I've always had this fear that Because she's had a hard life with her dad and she's threatened and, you know, all these things about, you know, moving away and no one loves her and all of these things. And so it's just like this big, like if I forbid this, then that's going to give her a reason to run away from me.

And I feel like I'm the only one that can protect her right now.

How do I protect my daughter but not end up in that situation where I make her run? And it's all regarding a boy with a new interest that has a troubled past.

Right.

And that's exactly what I fear she's doing, right? She's blinded by the fact that he, this boy, has strong feelings for her. And she thinks, oh, this is it. This is the guy who's going to love me no matter what, right?

Yeah. It will technically be illegal for a few months.

Right.

Yeah. And since I moved out and everything, we've had a lot of those conversations, right? I mean, it's actually... in many ways, improved my relationship with them, my daughters.

My name is Mary and I work for Fernie Store, a charity which provides all sorts of household goods for the whole community. People on benefits only half price. People who are really on a hard time, we do it for... nothing, they're basic furniture and I do the linen. Make sure it's clean and nice and pack it and we sell that but we also give it away to people who need it.

We give them free basic furniture, bedding and cutlery, crockery, everything to start them off. People love to donate because the things that they're donating have still got lots of wear in them. They're maybe just changing them for their decor or whatever, but we get some lovely things. We get lots of people who buy things to upcycle, but people don't want to throw things in the tip.

So we get donations from everywhere.

18 years. When I finished nursing, I thought, right, I've had enough of caring, I'll do something else. But actually, Furniture Store is the most caring place. So I love it, and I love the people I work with. Really lovely people, always. We take young people in who've got difficulties with learning and it's so lovely to see them blossom and then they get jobs, so we love it.

Well, apart from getting me out of bed in the morning, I wouldn't like to just be at home all day doing nothing. I do two days a week and that's lovely.

I didn't know that, but anyway. Thank you very much.

Hello?

Okay, great. We actually were sold a home illegally, and we are wondering if we should claim bankruptcy.

So we bought the home in April of 2023, and we wanted to get some things done like fencing and encapsulate the crawl space underneath. And we learned that when we went to go get the property surveyed for the fencing, that the property didn't exist. And so there were no permits. There's no CO on the house. What do you mean the property didn't exist?

They told us the property didn't exist in the county. There was no house that was on that property.

No. We bought the house. We saw the house. The county had no idea the house was built.

No, it was done through all of the bells and whistles that you're supposed to do with inspectors and real estate agents and lenders and everything. And they still sold it to us.

Yeah, so the lenders were in the bylaws of our contract. They were supposed to get the CO and obtain it five days after closing, and they never did. And then we didn't find out about all of that. This is our first home. We were first-time homebuyers, so we learned a lot in this process.

Yes, it's a USDA loan.

It was for $259.

No, we did put down $12,000.

So basically, we have a lawyer on it now. We tried to get help without a lawyer and tried to talk to the builder and gave him all the documents and tried to actually get him to agree to buy back the house. He obviously did not agree to that. In the process of all of this, the house is actually, it was creating more mold. The floors are sinking. The walls are leaning. We're starting to see things.

Did you get an inspection? We did, yes.

They caught none of it.

Yeah, it was terrible.

We're not sure, but it seems like it.

As a brand new home. He said it was a brand new build. And he actually built it on a 1950s foundation.

We're not sure. At this point, nothing has happened. No, no, no.

Well, the lawyer's not dragging it out, but there's not really a lot of motion happening, and we just keep hanging him.

We tried the local news. They told us it was a legal issue.

No, we can't live in it, so we actually don't live in it.

Yes, they said they didn't care.

Yes.

Get an attorney. Which is what we're trying to do.

So my question regarding our finances, my husband and I, he just got a new job, be making like 140,000 a year and went up from about 50. Oh, wow. So a big jump. Yeah. Yeah. Big jump. Finally. What's he doing? What happened? Well, he was kind of on his own in construction and just, it was very, it was, all over the place. Some days working, some days not, and it just wasn't consistent enough.

So he got a, um, no better job, you know, 40 hours a week constantly. And, um, yeah. Wow. Good for him. Yeah. Yeah. Much better. Um, opportunity for him. Um, so my question, like even now with this one, he has no kind of, um, retirement into it. So it's all on us. Um, we have very little, because of not making any money in the past.

We have about $17,000 or $18,000, I would say, in debt credit card. Okay. It is at 0%. I have the money stashed away, and I know you guys say to pay it off, but it just always scared me because until now we didn't have it, and I just always stashed money kind of. So I know I could pay that. I have about $35,000. So I could pay that off and kind of start from there, I guess.

But like I said, it's at 0% and I know I should pay it. Like I said, it just scares me. So my question really is like, how do we invest kind of for our future retirement plans? because he doesn't get any of that, nor do I. Yep.

Yeah, he wants to pay it off, too. He doesn't really know how much I have stashed. I just, yeah, stash it little by little, kind of. Hey, Mary, are you safe at home? Oh yeah. Are you sure? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very.

Yeah. So I'm afraid. Yeah.

Um, no, I mean that's like foolishly spent, but he would like say, let's get out of that, like pay it all off and start. Like, whereas I'm, I'm still afraid to, I guess, get rid of it. Like, you know, it's still kind of like a little cushion for me.

I mean, I shouldn't have said hit, but he doesn't really watch the finances like I do, and he just doesn't know where I'm at with how much. He doesn't realize probably that I have this much saved on the side.

And I do kind of like little side things at home, and I just stash that away. And I just, yeah.

No, nothing like he gets no, but yeah, no benefit, no benefits within that. Okay.

You know, like today, actually like today's his, First week. Oh, OK.

I mean, yeah, I believe it is. Yeah. OK, so I would say, I mean, he's working with a group of like 20, but there's different places around the city type of, you know, there's a couple different places.

That's what I said. Yeah, too. Like, I think they do some that way and then they do some where they give you more of a salary and it's not on them to pay out a pension, to pay out insurance, like all that. You know, I think they're saving money, actually. Gotcha. Yeah. No, that's great.

Maybe she was doing a short film for a friend that never got released. About a divorce? Yeah, maybe. About anything.

I wonder what Nicole Kidman thinks about AMC issuing a warning that there will be no singing during the Wicked movies. Thank God.

Not the same.

Or like a horror movie. You're screaming during the horror movie.

It's a moment in time.

If you have a good voice, go for it. No. No. Just, like, turn the volume down a little bit so I don't hear you. This is so funny to argue.

Okay, but question though, because I went to a concert last night and everybody was like sitting in front and like kind of behind me. And like to my point, I'm like, but if you pay for the ticket, do what you want, no?

But like in the movie, like if they're paying for the ticket, they technically do have the right to sing. No, they don't. No. No.

I don't, but I don't have a good voice. But do people?

Yeah, that's true. But if Cynthia Erivo is next to me.

Recently, specifically, they're hating on the fact that she might have Botox work done.

It does. I'm not saying that I'm part of that.

It's because there was a scene from some recent movie this past year where she was crying and someone put a comparison of her crying now to a comparison of Princess Diaries or something. And they were like, this is before and after Botox.

Also, here's the thing. When you order a salad, the salad doesn't come with the dressing on it unless you're at a salad place, right? So they're going to give it to you with the sauce on the side.

Yeah. And I don't know if Princess Diaries was the movie, but that's why people right now have been kind of hating on her. I don't know.

I don't think that was, like, fake tears for the camera. She was talking about her mother that passed away when she was eight.

I do.

There were two different... Well, and I will say, she said this whole situation, she's like, I felt empty about something I shouldn't feel empty about. So I think she's already like, should I cry? Should I not cry? So I think her brain is kind of just between...

But also, it is something so deep that you would be crying about your mother passing away.

You've never said this before?

Just because you're fake doesn't mean Angie Kay is.

Shots fired! No, that's true.

Oh, she always does. Yeah.

Maybe not. Okay.

Yeah.

You were going to quit because of the Packers game?

Yeah.

Question for Nick and Natalie. Would you buy a $6.2 million duct tape banana for your house?

Yeah, I think so.

A duct tape banana. So it's an artwork. And so, like, you know what Sotheby's is, right? Yeah. So, it's, like, one of the major, like, they do real estate, but also, like, artworks are the auctions that they do as well. Auction for the rich. Essentially, yeah, basically. So, at their contemporary art auction, they sold a piece by Maurizio Cazalan called The Comedian, made in 2019.

And I looked up the background. I'll just give it to you. So Maurizio is an Italian visual artist known for hyper-realistic sculptures and installations. There's three editions of this banana artwork.

It's a piece consisting of a fresh banana duct-taped to a wall, and it comes with a certificate of authenticity and an installation instructions for owners to replace the banana if they wish whenever it rots. So basically, this past week it sold for $6.2 million.

Wait, so they're going to have John and Vinny's and Shake Shack?

Well, so he said, the person who bought it, that it represents a cultural phenomenon that bridges the worlds of art, memes, and the cryptocurrency community.

He was filming himself during the bid. And it was like 1.3 that he put it up. He didn't get it, obviously.

Here's the thing, though, for this is we all know Andy Warhol now. His pieces sell for, like, millions, millions. Like, it's essentially the same thing as a banana taped to wall. Yeah. You want a canvas of a Campbell soup? Yeah. Over a banana taped to wall?

Sounds like they have a full kitchen on deck.

Well, it's an installation. But it's an installation.

I'm sorry. The burrito person is spamming me right now. Can I answer?

The burrito person?

Hello? Can I ask them? Please. Is it the burrito that we like? Are you outside or are you inside the hallway?

No.

Is all faux leather vegan though?

Is it though? Like think about it. It's not real leather. But some practices may involve like horse or animal to like produce. But then it wouldn't be vegan. It wouldn't be vegan. Well, like, well, some people that consider like quality vegan. Quality vegan?

Like if this is vegan, like to some people, to some considerations, like if you use, let's say this is very like extreme, but like a cow to transport the faux leather, then that's no longer vegan, you know?

Right. Well, I'm saying this is vegan, but I don't think every faux leather is vegan.

No. Stuff like that. That's what I'm saying. There's some processes that involve. But I guarantee you the Gap is not. Oh, this is vegan. I agree. No.

Did you see that John Stamos kind of responded to the whole bald cap diagnosis thing?

This is after Dave already spoke about it.

Yeah. Well, and John specifically said he wanted me to come shave his head. I knew before. So I brought the ball cap from the studio, flew across the country to be with my brother. Regardless, I'm so shocked. First, I'll say I'm just embarrassed and they're embarrassing. But when I started seeing this blowback, I'm just like, what? I couldn't figure it all out.

I still don't know 100% what they should be doing instead of making silly little videos. Nothing, John.

Thank you for finishing that. You're welcome. Toys R Us is developing a new reality competition series at Fox that will see families competing inside a larger than life toy store that will integrate a range of nostalgic and popular toys and games from classic toy brands.

What's that one game show? Supermarket Suite.

They remade it recently, but like the OG one that was like really big.

He has to be.

Does River have Toys R Us toys? No. Didn't it go bankrupt? It still exists in Target.

I mean, I like a Pizza Hut in Target. That's me.

Those are good. It tastes better than real Pizza Hut.

Hot dog. Taquitos. Taquitos from the 7-Eleven.

They are, but they're worth it. They're worth it for the one time. It's a hot dog.

Wait, wait. Doritos? Dorit-Kemsley-dos? Tacos?

That's a sponsorship we need. Doritos. Doritos.

Yeah, is she down? I'm sure she is.

That was good. That was good. Well, speaking of housewives, so I've started binging Potomac to catch up. I know Sierra's been watching it. I just want to propose this idea because it's interesting watching Reunion Part 3 of OC that Karen Huger, which is the Grand Dame. The Grand Dame. What do you mean? That's just her name. She's the Grand Dame of like kind of like the Countess.

The fact that she has that name.

iconic and Shannon has one Duchess of Carmel yes Grand Dame she got a DUI as well she's part of Potomac she's been there for a while was it a hit and run sitch a tree she had a tree but I don't think she ran I think she's did she run I guess I don't well we don't know because every time they bring it up on the show or she's questioned she's like I'm not gonna talk about it I'm not talking about it wait for the court wait for the court but then every time someone brings up the court she's like why are you talking about it why would you do that so she's not taking accountability on TV

Well, it seems like she's trying to pose it as, like, my accountability is that.

With a smidge of, like, I'm innocent. Yeah.

Yeah.

There were two housewives that were giggling being like, we need to take her to rehab. Now they want to eat a burrito.

I have. Go eat your burrito. No.

that's good that's good yummy yummy yummy anyways so the reason i thought about this thought about this is because ashley darby just like filed for the divorce and that's also a storyline but karen huger to me is a bigger storyline of potomac that i feel like so she's taking a not a shannon madora approach not a shannon madora she's not she's not going into the season being like i did that shit i was wrong working on myself healing trying opposite yeah she's pretending it didn't happen

Well, she's not pretending it didn't happen. She's more like, I'm not going to talk about it until the courts talk about it.

So she's trying to fight it, and she doesn't want to implicate herself. Well, and she keeps saying the truth will come out, and that's where it's like, it's giving a little Erika Jayne, I'm the victim, I'm innocent, because she's a repeat offender. Well, I mean, she is? Yes. Oh, my God. Yuck. Yeah, it's messy. But I love Karen. Do you though? I don't. I do. Can't say that I do.

She's good outside of the DUI context.

Was this Shannon's first DUI?

Sorry. We'll get you one. Representation.

Wait, breaking news. Yeah. But you go. This is the breaking news.

So the breaking news was that, so we know the whole bath bomb drama of it all. Meredith Marks, like four days ago, so a week ago, she posted like her holding a snowflake, but it's like glitched out. And she was like, coming soon. And I immediately ran to Mary and I was like, look at this.

And then you like go to the next slide and it's like click link and it's lush. Yeah. So she released a snowflake lush bath bomb in response to the whole bath bomb drama of it all. Smart.

Oh, that's not bad.

The ice cream was $12 a pint, so that's a good price.

$12 a pint seems like a lot. It was a lot, but it's Housewives, so I was like, you gotta pay what you gotta pay. Yeah.

Well, this is online, so there's more spots.

It's the one trade-off you should get.

To be a woman.

For the audience listening, she's still alive. She is still alive. She has been decimated on the show during the third part of the reunion.

15, not 16.

And the full settlement was $11,2124.

Her bonus should be $60,000.

Well, more, but I'm saying it should cover.

Salt Lake City was really good too. It was. And Don't Ever Touch My Phone is all I have to say.

She did grab her phone. I'm still defending Whitney. I just think it was iconic that she chose the kindergarten storyline of Don't Touch My Phone.

I wouldn't have grabbed it if I can't hear it and you're throwing it in my face I would say can you turn it up please yeah well my favorite line of the episode was Brittany saying at the end what about me okay but I actually embarrassing but I was also like you know what good for you good for you because she started that conversation everybody ignored it then I will say she said one sentence after and was like I really needed this conversation guys and I was like that's embarrassing that's so relatable though you made a scene to not make a scene

What about Meredith saying, if you want to talk about the past, it's not going to be pretty. And then everybody was like, are you threatening me? She's like, I never said anything about the past. No, I said I didn't want to. I don't want to talk about the past. And it's like, but you're the one who said it.

She's a drama queen this episode, for sure.

I think Meredith just needed to snap the bangs a little lower. That was her issue.

She looked like a rock star.

Angie Kay, though, she's my queen.

Bozeman. Bozeman.

Well, that's typical. That's typical for it. Because you don't want to start the new season with someone we don't know. You want to start it with the cast and then introduce them.

Because then it'd be like, wait, is this Beverly Hills?

None of them were getting... Creatures of the Garden.

Yes. You had it right kind of the first time.

dispelling all the rumors and the nastiness about what you've heard about her.

There you go.

I butt dialed the group chat the other day.

Here's a question for Apple. By the way, I still pissed at you guys. Fuck you. Why can't you have some sort of like butt dial prevention feature?

If the iPhone can read every metric in your body.

Okay.

How hard could it be to be like, your phone is clearly in a pocket. We're not trying to call anyone.

They do have it for the emergency call button. It gives you three seconds with the loudest alarm you could ever think. Yeah, so why can't they do it when your phone's in your pocket?

Yeah. You know what? Should I? Should I just start making threats to people?

Not in your butt.

No, but now that Leia brings it up, shockingly, I take out my phone and it's like there's a voice memo recording.

Usually my right, but sometimes my left.

I'm ambidextrous with my butt.

I did have a Britney moment yesterday in the interview we shot where I like looked down and I had like three minutes of the three minutes of the interview recorded on my phone.

Yeah, I'll be like, guys, I don't want to pass Heidi. She needs a new house.

Well, sad to say we are still in the minority.

We're trying to make this the number two song on Spotify and all the billboards. It's a good song, too.

I will say that Justin Stans, I saw some of the headlines and they were very offended. There was an E! News headline that said, Justin Baldoni sends 2 a.m. voice note talking about Blake's boob, which

There are other headlines saying, you know, Justin Baldoni says 2 a.m. voice note of him apologizing. I guess he'd go either way. Justin's supporters were very offended by that headline. And then in the comments, they pointed out that it allegedly was following a very long text from Blake at 1.50 a.m. And I was like, huh? How do they know this? Where are they getting this from?

It's called Party Girl.

If you look at some of the many screenshots, like Justin had like a variety of like screenshots and then the extraction.

Well, exactly. So like there was a text message from Blake and there was a timestamp. I mean, there's it's debated whether some things are altered or not. Who knows? I don't want to get into that. But this one does say 1.49 in some seconds. And according to some other ones, they had used army time. So that would suggest that at some point, Blank Lively sent a 1.50 a.m. text message.

But yeah, this wasn't in response to that. I mean, let's play it started. Hey, Blake.

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vow Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, and I hope everyone's having a really great Thursday. Yeah, that's how I want to start.

Can we put this on? I don't have TikTok on my phone anymore.

I just don't think anyone talks like that.

I don't know how anyone can listen to that and think there's no way that this is a man who could make someone feel uncomfortable or who is like hyper aware of like a woman's boundaries. And I only point that out because, again, this is a guy who claims to be someone who like makes being hyper aware of women's boundary his entire identity.

My team has access to the TikTok that I don't. I can't get on my own TikTok.

So I don't know. That's why for me, it just I don't know. I don't know how you listen to that and go, yeah, definitely no way he can be creepy.

Listen, if you have the hots for Justin Baldoni and you listen to that, like a lot of women are saying, oh, my God, the TikToks are insane.

yeah they think he has a sexy voice and they're like getting off on it you know like and i guess if you think he's hot that makes sense but like what if i don't know for the ladies out there if an amana has ever made you feel creepy uh think about that person sending you this message i feel like i'm taking crazy pills i'm you guys have your opinion we have ours apparently there's a new court date we're gonna have to wait till march of next year to figure out uh well i mean i don't know how long this trial will last we don't even know if it's actually gonna happen and i get pushed back

Well, it could get pushed back. They could settle. I'm of the belief, in the opinion, that Justin and his team very much want to continue to release information, as they've stated. And that's why I don't get, is it even debated that Justin has employed this very sophisticated team that smears people online? I think Justin and his team very much want to try to get them to settle.

So if they post any weird shit, guys, I was definitely hacked.

I think they want to make this exhausting and keep releasing personal information after personal information and have this be so just... Have everyone online like not agree with them so that they just get fatigue.

Well, they do have a court order in February to decide whether Justin's lawyer can continue to keep doing what he's doing or or not do that. So we'll see what happens. And I think that's like early February or something. But the actual trial. I think it's a day after my birthday. Oh, OK.

We are not unbiased.

We clearly have an opinion.

I did find a solution to this, by the way. What? Really? We buy Sierra a new phone and then you can have Sierra's old phone for TikTok.

Clearly great looking men get away with...

It doesn't hurt when they're high.

That's what I'm saying.

At least someone's going to lose.

It'll be a draw.

No, I don't want that. I mean, I'm actually quite pleased. I don't need to be on that shit. It's great. I just find it to be a little like, well, what if I want to?

In their prime. Yeah. Ranked at some level at your weight class.

I think they're in it for the money and they're making a lot of it.

I have no idea what these contracts say, but there's no denying that these guys are making a ton of money. And if you're willing to fight or get the opportunity to fight Jake or his brother, you're going to make some money.

You have to lose. That knowledge, I'm not like that in the know of the boxing industry, but I don't think the money is there for a lot of up-and-comers, and it's not what it even used to be for the top-tier people. So the type of money that Jake and his brother can make you, I think, is far more than anything a regular boxer is making these days.

So I really don't think it's a lack of boxers being willing to beat the shit out of the Paul brothers. Yeah, that's correct. I can't tell the two first names. I always forget. I think it's like them being very careful who they pick. Right. As to who they want to.

I have made them richer. I have paid to try to see them get their beat up. I have and lost.

I do wonder who is keeping these people in business. Us. You? Yep.

It's a thing. People are buying old phones right now.

They look the same.

I think these are professionals who take their craft very seriously, and I have the utmost respect for them.

What's going to happen in 73 days? How will mom talk to you about it? What if she breaks her phone?

Why aren't you on MomTalk? You're a mom. You talk.

You're afraid of River getting sick and you just needing to like dance through it.

I need to watch that at some point. It really brings me joy. Can you find it?

So good.

Who and who?

That's crazy.

Can I see who these people... I mean, I remember what Jeremy looks like.

Leo, sorry. He looks like a Jeremy to me.

But before we move on with household headlines, we have Olivia Holt coming up shortly to talk about her new movie, Heart Eyes. If you are into that thriller, scary movie type of thing, which I know many of you are, we are excited to talk to Olivia coming up very shortly. What's our what's our daily dilemma?

All right, so he's the one asking if he's the asshole.

All right.

Guys, they casted an influencer. They casted many influencers.

If someone offers to help you out, I guess for anything, I'm definitely just appreciative of whatever help they can give. I don't start assuming that it's their job and responsibility and everything's on them. I definitely want to hear... the other side of the story, because this seems so like, this is writing like, am I the asshole? Because I'm definitely not the asshole.

And I want to talk shit on my sister and, and, and make her look bad because like nothing about this story suggests that like, it's a, it's a debate.

If someone's offering to help, like I definitely don't, it doesn't turn into their job.

I would also be offended too if I like offered help and then I ended up paying for everything, doing everything and then I was disinvited from the event. Yeah. So if that is the truth, then I would also be like, so I did all this work for you to then scapegoat me and say I can't go.

But it seems hard to believe that that's all the information.

I mean, Jen Shaw did it to Angie Katzenavis.

It happens very often.

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He definitely got a talking to, I'm guessing, from the producers. For sure.

How you been?

Crushing movies. Making movies.

We were in bed last night watching Beverly Hills Housewives. I love that.

It looks spooky.

Did you actually at home practice?

Or does it just come instinctively when you're doing the scene?

Just make sure I'm definitely not here. And like wherever I am, there are witnesses.

It's either the mask in the car or like the feet out the back. You know, like the fake feet.

Oh, okay.

You know, those truck drivers have a sick sense of humor. They're on the road a lot.

They're always in their head thinking about the craziest shit.

They don't?

Why did parents stop doing this?

There's no way any kid, like if you're a child, like when River gets old enough and we're like, hey, do this, and she'll be ecstatic. Like, it's the parents' fault.

wouldn't you would be mad i would be i would i would i would roll my eyes i would be disappointed in grant for the lack of self-awareness for him to like put himself on blast for not dropping an absolute hit but it's a smash i wonder what the pop star heidi montag thinks about it we will find out later this episode because heidi and spencer will be in studio finally we get to uh talk to the icons that are heidi and spencer i i truly again i love this couple i love the story i love the way they're writing for each other

Still the parents thought, hey, look at the big fucking truck and get off the phone.

I mean, I won't say it like that to be clear to everyone.

What is more difficult, performing on Broadway or acting as if you're about to get absolutely murdered by a scary monster wearing a mask?

And now be on the verge of death.

Did you enjoy the experience?

Okay. So maybe in the future you'll return.

You played a very iconic character of which some people, and we love Bravo Nation, have also tried to... And when I say tried, I don't mean that disrespectfully. I have not seen their performances. But Ariana played Roxy also.

Right now?

Have you seen their performances?

Any notes?

Do you have a dream Broadway role?

Yeah, but the Billboard, when I was the Bachelor a long time ago, when we got dim-sung at the Americana, my favorite. My photo is like on all the ones in the mall and that's definitely trippy.

There's a lot of online chatter about people wanting you to play Britney in a biopic. Yeah, there is. Sitting with you here now, I see it. I see it. Thank you. How do you feel about that?

But I also just want to start by thanking everyone for their well wishes that they sent Nally and I. Obviously, we dropped that very personal episode about the miscarriage Nally experienced yesterday. uh, not too long ago. Um, so I just want to say thank you. I've been pretty much staying offline. Uh, but I know now he's got a lot of nice, lovely messages.

Who are other people suggesting? Who's your competition? Who are people out there?

I think Sabrina Carpenter's name was thrown out there, but she's just blonde.

Or is he just like... Probably not. He's kind of like not allowed to speak for himself publicly.

Have you practiced her speaking voice? No. I don't want to put you on the spot.

I'm like, who are you?

I don't know. Like maybe he's already gone rogue. So... Yeah. Is it charting at all?

I feel like there's a, I feel like a lot of people are very drawn to that accent.

Like I feel like young Reese Witherspoon was always like throwing out that Southern accent.

I'm right back there.

So what are you doing with your free time these days, if you have any?

Well, I haven't been on for a while as a consumer. And then I dropped my phone and broke it.

Now it's off my phone.

Our mental health has never been better.

I'm not good at saving numbers. And I did get a new phone. So like usually I refer to like, I go to like the text threads. There have been people who have texted me this morning, given obviously the news that we dropped yesterday. Some people I'm like, no idea who this is. And I just respond back with like a heart.

So is that your main form of entertainment, just the scrolling?

I don't even mean like a bad thing. I actually think I have a really- We watch trash TV.

Are you watching Severance?

We just finished, don't spoil, because we just finished re-watching, well, I finished re-watching episode one, which honestly, I didn't realize, I don't think I- That's season one. I thought, I think I ended watching season one. Spoiler for anyone who hasn't watched season one, earmuffs. I thought the end of season one is when you found out- His wife.

How good is it so far?

But if you're like that, and this is what Natalie and I do, when something like Severance comes out that's like a weekly drop, we just will wait three or four weeks so that we can binge the first couple episodes rather than like watching one episode and being like, what did I just watch? I'm not really sure who's who. I'm a little confused by the characters. We haven't really gotten into the story.

No, that's true.

I think a lot of actors like reality TV in general because it's, you know, when you watch a movie or a TV show being on set and you know how the sausage is made, I think sometimes, you know, I'm sure a lot of actors enjoy a lot of scripted programming, but I think there's an element of reality TV that is very fascinating. To a lot of actors.

I said love the episode, love the song with a music emoji. Didn't say it was from Nick.

Who did we have from The Lioness? Genesis.

Yes, and she's a big Bravo fan, and Genesis was telling us that she studied some of the housewives for doing some character work for some of her roles.

No, I know. I know why you said that.

What's influent mean? Rich, wealthy.

Okay. Fuck me.

I don't know. Bilingual.

Oh, I thought it meant something like classy. Oh, yeah. sure but i you know that's where i was like i don't know trying to throw your bone hair guy we have a game for you olivia oh i love games sierra made it emotional game because i can't do that at all no this is mindless it's a would you rather bravo edition

Oh, reality TV. You don't need to have watched anything to have played this game.

You will know maybe a little bit. Like, you'll know where some of the questions come from.

So what do we call this game? Would you rather?

With the... Reality TV edition.

It could be a grant from 20 years ago.

Oh, I'd rather be called boring.

I'm going to the bat mitzvah.

Justin loves us with our pizza. I am too.

I never said that.

I've never heard you talk about the skee-ball.

Justin orders Chuck E. Cheese pizza here. Yeah. Like to go. In honor of the show we were watching.

No, that's called an excuse to order the pizza you like. That's like watching a commercial.

No one here was like, I wonder what it tastes like.

That's a lot of couples.

No, I don't understand.

But like, I think everyone, I think some people take pride in being like a good third or fifth wheel, you know, like someone who can like.

I feel like camp counselor.

Yeah, be the 18th wheel or 17th wheel.

Guys, it's an absolute banger.

What happened to Tom Sandler and Ariana? We are not getting that quality programming.

If you're talking filming, I'll say from personal experience, no one would want to be the lead.

If we're talking strictly filming and not like the opportunities you get from like, you know, because clearly like being the lead.

You're the lead. Right. The filming process, so much worse being the lead.

You either hang out with your friends most of the time. Every once in a while, you maybe get to talk to someone you like. The other time, you have to make out with a bunch of people you do not want to make out with and entertain a bunch of people you don't like and have awkward conversations with a bunch of people who don't know how to talk.

Olivia Holt would rather not be the bachelorette.

Shit or get off the pot.

They would, in part of this process, in your decision-making process, have to live with someone else for three weeks.

Well, I just, I mean, I'll never understand the internet trolls. If you are trolling online, you need therapy.

Tough one.

Yeah. I'm going to go. Yeah. Because like everyone, everyone can be a goofball. Everyone's in a while. We love a goofball.

Yeah. A self-proclaimed nickname. You're, you're one of the worst humans in the world. Yeah.

Or on a flight back when your ex announces it to the world before you tell your family.

What was all that?

I can assure you the farther you go, the worse it is. Yeah.

Anyways, Team Grant, let's make sure we're riding for this song. Let's make sure we're dancing to this song on all platforms.

I would do anything to not have to go on vacation with JT.

Well, first of all, Natalie loves me.

Anything but JT.

Yeah, but then if you saw you talk to a guy, he would come up to you and be like, you know what? You know about this guy? He's like, one time I saw him not tip a waitress in or something stupid. He would bring something up.

Fucking.

Is it on? Can we upload it to TikTok and Instagram? Can we do that? Can we be the first one who tries to get this music going?

Can we bring up Olivia's Heart Eyes trailer and hear that scream one more time as we send her on her way?

What a great date night Valentine's Day movie. Out February 7th, by the way, everybody. Honestly, because I can get kind of steaming, you know, like you watch that movie, you get scared.

All right. Grab your loved ones. Go to the movies. Out February 7th. Olivia, it's been so much fun.

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How do you do that?

We can do an original audio. He might have already uploaded it. I don't know.

Did you give them some feedback? Because honestly, it's been very confusing for me.

It's been wild, man.

We're excited to have you finally here. Listen, you're a literal international pop star now.

I mean, we've had some performers on, but I don't think we've ever had a performer on like yourself at the height of their career. So this is a first for us.

Has he loaded it or has his handlers already gotten their claws into him?

So I feel like it is a pop star, but it's like, you know, I know he, in some circles, depending on like, you know, the Swifties and all, but like, I know he's like persona non grana, but like his management skills, Scooter Braun can't be,

Whoever the greatest manager. I get what you're saying.

Well, we did a Mint Mobile ad.

Oh my God. I know what I'm doing later today.

No, it is. No, but he was, listen, no one agrees with us. Everyone's like, no, he just like, she was breastfeeding. What's the big deal? He talked about her boob. Like he said, he was sorry.

Okay.

Is Pitbull texting you right now?

If she has taste.

That's amazing. Well, I'm so glad you guys are here. And I just want to start by saying, I hate what happened to you guys. Obviously, that's a tragedy. But the way you two have responded, maybe I'm just in like my husband, dad era, but like the way you two have come together in this tragedy, the way Spencer has supported you and the way that you guys are a family riding for each other.

Like I was talking with a friend about you guys and it's just like, you know, we love reality TV. We watch it. I've come from reality TV. You guys do. But like, and when it comes to relationships and reality TV, it's oil and vinegar, you know, they don't mix. Like

She does.

going on reality tv show is like a fucking nail in a coffin for any relationship and you guys have always been the exception and like the and just the way like no one can deny that like no matter what you guys do in the public eye reality tv like your ability to stay connected like shows that like you guys have always been each other's top priority i love that about you guys and the way that you guys demonstrate that right like facing this tragedy

Tell me, Mary.

I really think is incredibly inspirational. And it's why I think so many people have rallied around you guys. And I just, I just fucking love it. I think it's amazing.

What is her fence made of?

She has a wire fence.

People, you do something, it's like, what does this teach you? Is this, you've had some sort of epiphany now.

And like, you guys have a history of being a team. You know, like this, like exactly what you said. I mean, this must be an experience unlike anything you've ever experienced. But like, last time you guys were here, your stories that you guys talked about back in the day, the shit you face when doing the hills.

And, uh, if you sent me something, I appreciate it. I'm trying not to read anything. Grant Ellis is, I did not know is in the music biz. Did any of you know?

Like, I just don't think we acknowledge when couples like yourselves demonstrate their ability to fight through difficult times. You know, we love to celebrate breakups and we love to like talk about ourselves and like, you know, all you need is yourself. But like you guys, I think I've been incredibly inspirational for couples out there.

Yeah, so basically, Ape Streep, her nephew, spoke out to New York Magazine saying, My Aunt Meryl Streep received an order to evacuate on January 8th, but when she tried to leave, she discovered that a large tree had fallen over her driveway, blocking her only exit.

And show why it's so important to have each other's back.

And where are you guys staying right now?

Determined to make it out, she borrowed wire cutters from a neighbor, cut a car-sized hole in the fence she shared with the neighbors on the other side, and drove through the yard to escape.

He was probably running shotgun, being like, hurry, Meryl!

I'm just more shocked that she has a wire fence.

I'm not doubting Meryl. I just want to see this fence. Also the wire cutters.

And it must be, you know, just even coming in and, you know, obviously having fun and, like, the excitement about your song and your music and these stories about talking to Pitbull, like, And then reflecting on the tragedy that happened, is it just like an emotional fucking rollercoaster of just like insane highs and then insane lows?

Shall we jump into the Matt and Rachel of it all? Sure. What did she say? Leah, do you want to go for it? Our historian?

I mean, how are you guys managing that emotional rollercoaster?

a distraction now it's like uh it just like sets it a little bit harder i definitely relate to that we not to make it about us but like we recently now experienced a miscarriage oh sorry

and like obviously very emotional for both of us but she like I've been very disconnected and again trying to just work and like we talked about it in an episode yesterday and like I don't like even like there have been moments where I just feel like it's like hit me you know like talking about it where I feel like she's processed it on a more like steady path you know where it's just like I've avoided it I avoid it and I got a message being like thanks for sharing and it's just like like it gets to you so I get what you're saying you know

I'm so sorry you guys no thank you no but anyways about you guys yeah yeah yeah man that's a lot you mentioned Pitbull was a wild conversation you're gonna play it no I just gotta check and see if I got the new um

Is she also a food blogger or is she planning on to continue to food blog? Are they now competing food bloggers?

It was very therapeutic to talk about it with each other. And like you said, it's just having each other makes it all the difference in the world.

But the music's been awesome.

I don't understand a lick about the music industry other than the fact that like I think it comes with a lot of judgment and like almost elitism and like you have to have certain access and you have to know certain people and if you don't like there's just so many talented musicians period that you just never hear of who never make it and it just feels like this terrible tragedy allowed you guys to like work through all that nasty bullshit where people have been like this is like a

fucking bop like this is a fucking song the remixes people are doing it with like people making videos and dancing with it it's like it's not hard to enjoy this song that's been around for a while that people just decided to like stick their nose up at because it was like oh it's hiding from the hell or whatever you know what i'm saying like gays shout out the gays they've been here 15 years writing for us so yeah yeah they're loyal so lgb yeah i mean the whole the whole community you know

Yeah, but now we're worldwide.

We'll have all of this in the show notes.

When you say as she's getting on a plane, like, he dropped her off at the airport and said, by the way, we're broken up? Or...

I posted a story before it was like even a thing. And then I did a real, it took me a few days. You did a TikTok?

Dude, J-Lo don't, she don't have time for nothing.

No, I mean, if JLo is like making sure she has the right outfit on.

You have no reason not to dream as big as possible.

The fact that you, if any, I had to go to the Apple store this weekend and my house didn't burn down.

I mean, it definitely lacks tact.

But you don't think of it at first.

I'll say this in slight defense of Matt. It's just like, listen, there's no good way of breaking up with someone. You're always going to be the bad guy. People are allowed to not have feelings. Clearly, per Rachel's version of the story, it lacks tact and sensitivity and empathy and care. And it definitely gives Rachel every reason to be angry and hate Matt, for sure.

It's like, you know, your boy Brody was here and we were talking about it and it's just like, yes, this is a terrible tragedy. Sadly, fires happen every year in California. And yeah, we understand that those winds that night were terrible. But like, it was always going to be bad. But the question is, did it need to be as horrific as it was?

And there seems to be several examples when you hear stories that maybe it didn't need to be this fucking bad. Like, we all pay taxes. We know what that check looks like. Like, where's that fucking money going? You know, like, why don't we have a fleet of scooper scoopers? You know, like we have this shit every year.

Is the goal to try to build back if that's possible? I mean, do we know if it's possible yet or what's the plan there?

I do always say like when you break up with someone, sometimes the most selfless thing. I don't think Matt was trying to be selfless. I think he was being selfish and like he didn't know what to say. So he just did it this way. But like when you break up with someone, if you give them a lot of reasons to hate you early on, it's definitely easy for them to move on.

Has Andy Cohen apologized to you?

For those of you who don't know, like he called you trash or something. Which is like one of the worst things you could say to a woman.

I've always loved Andy. I got to meet him a few times. I've always very much respected what he does. I'm sure he would kiss your ass as a bachelor.

I don't think Matt deserves any medals for this. But like, have you ever heard of someone breaking someone's heart and they go, yeah, they did it in a really great way. That was really that was awesome. Wow. You deserve a medal for the way you sensitively broke up with me.

Awesome.

She took her first steps a couple days ago.

She likes to be fine. We're definitely connecting more and more. Like, every time I come home, da-da! it's pretty great favorite sound yeah it's the best but like she is truly obsessed with Natalie and like in the in the best possible way it's like it's she lights up like it's

Yeah. Do you have, um, individual, like, have you fantasized about like places you would want to perform live?

Is that anytime soon? Like when should we book our tickets?

Just please let us know.

Stop. You got it?

Put it on top.

Let's, how do you want to?

So like, there's just no good way. And yeah, I mean, the fact that he posted while she was in a plane is wild behavior for sure. But like, he's definitely like cutting the cord.

It's something else.

Definitely lacking tact and sensitivity, but you know, I don't know. Not evil. He didn't commit a crime.

i love you guys thank you for taking the time i know life's been crazy for you obviously both with the tragedy and all the success you guys are experiencing but it's been so great to catch up with you thanks for being inspirational thanks for being such a great example of what a husband and wife should be to each other in a time of need and uh really i love you guys i love what you guys stand for and we are here to have you guys back and ride for you guys

and just watch you guys like get all the way to the top so does that mean because i know we talked about before if we get a reality show you guys will be on it and go on double dates and so not a cameo reoccurring last time can we just like like you know it's one of those things like we just we nothing matters more to us than than us you know so like if it's for friends supporting friends and you know we're

Like when I, you know, it's like, and you know, and every time someone wants to have the talk, And I always tell people who call it, I literally talk about it. And don't text your ex happy birthday. It was just like going and having one more conversation.

We would love to double date.

We've got to build out a cast here pretty soon here.

I mean, I will say this. I miss being good TV. All right, there we go.

Thank you so much. I wish you nothing but more success and happiness. And please, well, plug, plug. Let's plug.

Again, talent, yeah.

It's just like asking the person who already told you they don't want to be with you to find more reasons to tell you why they're not interested in being with you. You know what I'm saying? There's just no good way.

We'll see you guys next week. We didn't get to Beverly Hills or Southern hospitality. Honestly, Beverly Hills was kind of slow this week. We'll pick it up all next week. Thank you to our guests, Olivia Holt and Heidi and Spencer. See you next week. Bye.

Either way, when you break someone's heart after certainly a period of time, especially if it's a long relationship, especially if there were conversations about the future, you're always going to feel like that person stabbed you in the back, like they lied to you, like they didn't follow through with whatever promises you guys made as a couple when things were good. I mean...

Yeah. I mean, I feel for her about the breakup. I still go back to what we said when we first heard the announcement. I think what Rachel had to experience going through the show itself and that whole ordeal, she made a mistake and she was martyred.

I do think we're in the era of people should just not be on their Instagram accounts. First Matt, now Shed Media. Have you been seeing this?

So Shed Media is the production company that produces Salt Lake City and Roni. And Roni.

But basically they have a casting Instagram account that's followed by Jenna Lyons and another other like.

Yes.

It's like, you know, like the Bachelor casting has their own Instagram and, you know, like, yeah.

So first, right after the premiere airs, which it kind of did pick up after a season of flopping, the casting account posted rony casting calls. So basically, casting new women. Reunion still hasn't aired yet, so it's kind of weird. And they also don't usually cast housewives on an Instagram post. It's not open casting. Then whoever's running this account is going crazy.

Now, I'm hearing that... I'm not surprised, but is Bachelor Nation coming for him?

So on their stories, they start posting multiple slides. Do not come at me with your complaints, insults, or ridiculous comments. In all caps, you will be blocked. Also, in all caps, I only have time for Roni. Save your other topics for another time. Another slide. Also, in all caps, please be real with yourself. If you're interested in submitting, do you actually see yourself with this cast?

It would be like if Mary went on the Vile Files Instagram and just started going off.

Yeah, maybe. Do you think it's a stunt?

It has to be. They've been taken down. And like, I don't know if like it was an intern or like someone posted on their normal account, but then it happened to be. But then they're clearly responding to people.

What are they saying?

Oh, God, God forbid.

Like, every time you say copy link, it doesn't ever work the first time. So, like, for anyone out there sending a Pinterest link, make sure it says.

I just wanna say, if someone needs to be the president and founder of the Grant Ellis Musical Fan Club, I will carry that mantle.

Copied link. No.

I'm actually pretty tech savvy. It's just like, at this point in my life, I really... It's just a matter of, do I need it? Do I not need it? And I cleanse my... You know, it's like the water cleanse. I just... He's like, do I need good internet back here?

24, 25, 20 fixed. Turn to the channel. YouTube TV. And I'm like, fuck!

Before we finish the spaceship exploitation story, let's bring Elizabeth Wagmeister on. If you don't know who she is, she's been a guest many times on this show, formerly of Variety, now with CNN. She is the foremost expert in pop culture journalism, and she's going to break down this and many more stories. So let's bring on Elizabeth.

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That is not why. I feel called out.

I was just genuinely curious.

Hey, Elizabeth.

How's it going? Welcome back.

We missed you. Well, well, you know, we're just glad.

Reporting all these big high profile cases.

Oh, well, thank you, Elizabeth, for saying we, we just pretend that the show just keeps going on. You know, it's just like, we're still, we're still flying coach. You know what I'm saying? Like,

Yeah, it's the only way you stay rich.

Flat coach. Anyways, we were talking while we're waiting for you to join us about the infamous shuttle that Jeff Bezos sent a bunch of ladies up into space to sing a jingle. And... I'm shocked that this many people care about this. Obviously, it was always going to be some kind of stunt, right? Why do you feel like it's been so poorly received?

what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files reality recap edition i am your host nick and boy do we have a great episode lined up for you today what is your peach in your pit uh my love of uh the weekend or the past few days

That actually, just right there, sounds a bit condescending. No, no, no.

Yeah, only because I didn't realize that was the goal of the mission, to break glass ceilings. Because I honestly thought that when it came to space exploration, we've had many very successful women astronauts, right? Haven't women been going up to space for some time now?

For her to have never- Bravery and hair. It is true.

Yeah, I don't know if we know any of these. Are we calling them astronauts? I don't know. I don't think so.

No one calls me a pilot when I go on an airplane.

Yeah. You know, listen, if I want my daughter to be inspired, I like I want to know if any of these people who went up to space got at least a B in physics and science. You know what I'm saying?

The first time you used it and showcased it was the same time you were showcasing your new haircut.

I do think it's funny though, when other celebrities criticize other celebrities for doing meaningless and pointless things, because it's like, you know, I don't know.

Like I saw like Emily Ratajkowski had some very critical comments and it's just like, I mean, I guess, but like you're all rich and famous and you all kind of, you know, it's, it's not like you're dedicating your entire life to helping those. And I'm not even expecting him to, but it's just like,

This is how rich people die.

Exactly.

Why are rich people looking for ways to die? Listen, I'm all for, you know, when it comes to this conversation, like I'm all for like we need to not have like a like let's die slowly our society. I'm all for like thinking of the future, like everything has a cost.

We do need to take care of our earth and we also need to like advance our technology and maybe become a species that a hundred years in the future can, you know, I don't know, do actual space exploration. So I'm all for that. But like, this is, again, this is an amusement part for rich people. It's just like, I'm all for exploring the sea. I'm all for exploring space, but like this isn't exploring.

This is just,

Natalie's DMs are, we need to start a new segment called Natalie's DMs.

Yeah. Just like finding meaning in life because you have so much money that everything is mundane and boring.

Like I went to space and I survived. Like a lot of people have it. Yeah.

Weren't there like two astronauts who have been stuck in space for the better part of a year recently and like had to like be rescued?

I don't know. No, no. People love attention.

anyways you gotta you gotta know because what's so beautiful about these dms is because like anytime nally gets like a dm like this she'll like note you know if she notices one right like and then it's you kind of click on it and it's almost always someone who's already multiple has already dm'd her multiple times and then it's like the the change up it's just like one it's like yeah they don't unsend their previous messages so like when they weren't pissed at me they were asking me for links or something and then it's like

Yeah, all these former A-list peat men who have allegedly committed some pretty terrible atrocities. What is the latest on these accusations?

Kind of similar to the Bill Cosby of it all.

What about like character witnesses or isn't that a thing?

Yeah. I mean, we never thought Bill Cosby would go to jail. And next thing you knew, he was a free man.

It's wild. I forgot about this. Isn't that why I asked you? You're pinching your pit, but thanks for remembering.

It's crazy. I saw a stat not too long ago, a couple of weeks. Who knows? I didn't fact check it. I saw it online. Maybe it was made up. I don't think it was. A man was giving like some kind of speech or TED talk. And I think he said something like 95% of all like or like sexual offenders, specifically men against women, never spend a day in jail.

I want to say, actually, I thought I heard it were 97, but I wanted to undersell it, not overdo it. Yes. Okay. So... Well, while you're looking it up, you know, it's crazy what you think about it.

Like I've said, made the story, whether it's my wife talking about an experience, I sadly have had too many women friends, you know, whether it's, you know, privately or whatever, have shared, you know, their terrible experiences at some point in their life.

And I don't know a single friend who is a woman who's sadly has a negative experience like that, where the person who violated them has any served any type of justice at all. You know, it's not a single one.

What's the latest on Diddy and Russell Brand?

And then the Diddy of it all, is there any, like I saw a report not too long ago that I think one of the people who accused him of something dropped the charges, but I wasn't sure if that was more like a civil case versus like the federal case. Like he's still very much being detained, correct?

And like, is there any, from his camp, obviously they hope he beats these charges, but how is it looking in terms of, you know, Diddy being held accountable for his alleged crimes?

Wow. Fascinating. On a slightly lighter note.

I know you, I saw you tweeting about White Lotus. I don't know if you've been investigating this. The internet seems to be as well. But like, have you, do you have any tea?

on the uh walter got walton goggins amy lou potential drama of it all because there's a lot of speculation that you know he has her blocked that they you know he posted this very nice message at the end but there seems to be some disconnect Then the SNL thing happened where she seemed upset about her portrayal. And then Walton like Googled, ha ha, that was great.

Now, maybe that could have been completely unconnected. Maybe he just thought it was great and just didn't like pay much attention to, you know, her character was portrayed. But like whether it's as a fan like us, you know, following the case or as a reporter, do you have any insight on this potential feud?

Well, but to your point, though, back to the Blake and Justin at all, that all started with people speculating or noticing that like she didn't follow him and the rest of the cast didn't follow him. And then they weren't seeing the red carpet. And what was like, oh, my God, is there something going on? And maybe nothing turned into this massive. Pop culture case that everyone's talking about.

So it's, you know, it's like, hey, it's probably nothing, but holy shit.

Can't reason with crazy. Can't fight the internet. That's for sure.

That was kind of my, well, that wasn't my peach, but now you think, I just, they make me laugh so much. These, the comments you get, it's wild.

Well, thank you for that little off the record tea. We appreciate it. That's more than anyone else on the internet has given us so far. So we will look to see if that work thing ends up happening and maybe we'll see Walton and Amy Liu in the same room sooner than later. I hope I don't get in trouble.

I appreciate it. Elizabeth, it's always fun to catch up with you. Thank you for the insight. I look forward to having you back in the future. Please let our audience know where they can follow you and follow your work.

Our next guest, Daniela Panetta, super excited to talk with her. She is starring in the new movie, The Accountant 2, also starring Ben Affleck and Jon Bernthal. She's fabulous in this movie. It's an incredible movie. Super excited to talk with her about that as well as all things Bravo.

She's a big fan of the franchise, especially The Valley and Beverly Hills Housewife, both of which will be speaking with Daniela. So let's bring her on.

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Daniela, welcome to The Vile Files.

Oh, we are so excited. I mean, first of all, we just always love to have a Bravo fan with us to talk about all things Bravo. But before we get to that, you are starring in The Accountant 2. Natalie and I saw it last, was it last week?

We went to a theater, got a private showing. It is so good. It's an incredible movie.

It's so fun. And obviously, there's always so many conversations these days about the movie theater experience, going to the theater. It's so easy to wait for things to come on demand or streaming or things like that. And this is truly one of those just fun, feel-good movie theater movies that you really have to go and see. It's I honestly think it's like a great date movie.

Which actually, funny enough, brings me to my peach.

You know, there's a lot of action. There's there's love. I mean, the whole like theme of this, like, honestly, movie is about, you know, Ben Affleck's character, like kind of like looking for love. It's funny. It has great comedy. You play this badass assassin. It's it's such a fun movie.

Well, no, it's just like, listen, you know, every household, pun on words, but, you know, everyone has their, you know, kind of things that people do. You know, it's just like, for example, like Natalie does the laundry. I'm allergic to laundry. I do the dishes. Now he's allergic to doing dishes. You know, it works out for us.

Well, Danielle, I agree. I think it is better than the first. I loved the first. The first is a rewatchable. It's just one of those movies like...

you can't find anything on netflix wherever it's streaming for me the account's always been like well let's put on the accountant you know because it's always just like yeah good it's just a good movie there's it's it's it's fun to just put on i don't know there's good action great acting great characters uh great writing and then yeah the the the second one i think is considerably better not because anything was bad about the first one

It's just more of everything you loved about the first one. And there's a lot more also, but a lot more comedy. Like I think, I didn't think the first one, it was as funny as the second one. And Ben and John and, you know, that dynamic, those two guys, the whole brother dynamic, it really, it's, it's, I literally clapped at the end.

We were, we were in an empty theater because we got our private screening and they got done. I was just like, it was, it was so good. I loved it.

Historically, when it comes to calling customer service, it's something I take great pride in and I feel like I excel in. And I honestly think like the key to life is anyone's ability to deal with customer service. I really do.

You don't know what a peach and pit is? Rose and thorn. Rose and thorn.

Yeah, I just centered around character. Yeah.

It's great practice for life in general, because I honestly think your ability to be successful in life is honestly your ability to reason with people, know when to ask for help, know when to push back, know when to set a boundary, know when to talk calmly, know when to escalate a little bit.

You know, that reminds me of, this is a little bit of a callback, but have you ever seen Zoolander? Of course. Well, Will Ferrell famously plays Magatu or something. And he has that crazy hairdo. And I guess like that's his real hair. And he ended up telling the story.

I don't know if he went on like late night television that like after they did the hair, they were like, we could have like gotten you a wig for that. You know, like hair and makeup said.

And he was like, I would have loved to have known that. Um, but yeah, they kind of remind me of that where it's just like when you make these movies, as you know, you know, there's hundreds of employees, you know, people in the backgrounds you, you never know of. And there's so many like departments and communication here and makeup wardrobe production producers.

And it's like, it's fascinating to hear and like, and very believable that at one point you were told you might have to shave your head. And the next thing you know, someone's like, what are you talking about? No, we can just put a bald cap on you.

And honestly, if you get good at customer service, people who are trained to dismiss you, people who are trained to come up with excuses, I'm a big believer. I've literally told one of our employees that they should call customer service over and over to practice on setting boundaries and pushing back. Because honestly, there's no better place to learn how to do that.

Finally, have you had you ever met Ben Affleck or John Bertholdt before you worked with them?

He really is that nice. They're both incredible in this movie. I think Jon really, you know, especially the comedy element really brings it. And it's such a fun watch. Uh, and then you also had a scene, JK Simmons, JK Simmons. So like you got to, you got to do work with all these like very successful, very, you know, established actors in their own right.

It was that like a cool experience for you, but I mean, you've done so much other work and other great movies or like, do you ever get excited when you get to work with like a big name or someone who's been around or are you just kind of like, Hey, it's just another day at the office?

You ever heard of peach and pit? No. My wife taught it to me. Is it a southern thing?

Do you ever, uh, you know, Ben's someone who like, I always empathize with Ben. I just feel like the press is always like bugging him and annoying him. And he's always ends up in these memes and things like that. And can we just leave this man alone?

I really think Ben like does not get enough credit is like a very talented filmmaker, whether it's as a director or, or a producer, or obviously as an actor, like he's done some amazing work. And I just don't know why the internet's so obsessed with like, you know, obviously he has his own demons as well, but like, I, I

want like why are we always photographing this man like with a with a grumpy look on his face doesn't want to be yeah it just feels like you know like you know when you hear people who do work with homie you know they seem like they always have pretty good experiences you know working with ben

Anyways, my peach is over the weekend, we have been ordering some furniture, changing some rooms, et cetera, et cetera. And my wife took it upon herself to start making calls. And I heard her in the background. And I was, I was turned on. I was turned on. It was awesome. I was just, it made me so in love with her.

Oh, yeah. I find him so fascinating, and I think it's obviously just very cool to have worked with him, and I agree with everything you've said about just his films, and you can see his care in his projects, and it's like, as just a fan, it's just like when...

ben affleck's in the news either like some sort of mean meme you know talking about his relationship status and then sandwiched in between like these two you know extraordinary projects where like people talk about him as if he's like at the tail end of his career but he's like constantly just putting out banger and banger and banger and just i we just have to put more respect on ben affleck's name because i just feel like pop culture just like for some reason always just likes to pick on the guy for and i don't get it

That's true. Uh, you ready to talk a little Bravo here? Oh my God. So do you want to start with the Valley or, or should we, we, we, should we put a close on the season of Beverly Hills?

I was very excited to watch this final episode, mostly centered around like, you know, Garcelle's exit, you know, the whole like she wanted to take a group photo at the beginning of the reunion and then she was the one who walked away.

I was a little shocked when it got to the end because I thought there was going to be like a very clear explanation as to like what triggered Garcelle or why she was upset. And it was kind of unclear.

Just the way she, I felt like, I felt like, wow, she really learned something from me. Like I've added value in this person's life. Just the way she was pushing back and just, and again, like it's not, it's not about calling up customer service and yelling.

Like she was like, if I like the drink, I'm going to stay. And if I hate the drink, I'm getting the fuck out of here. Like it kind of made no sense.

Yeah. But I'm with you, Daniela. And I, and I do see both sides.

Cause then I've said this on previous episodes and it seems like from Garcelle's point of view is that like, I, I know from the gossip talking to other people in this circle, Garcelle is not the only one in this like friend group or extended group that suspects, you know, that the story they've been told isn't exactly what happened first. Fair enough.

But I think there's a big difference between like friend gossip behind the scenes and then going on a platform or on this show and just making a flat out accusation without any evidence of like illegal shit to like to the point of like Bozeman or Andy. It's just like you're accusing this person of like a federal crime. And it's just like... Right.

This is a little different than like... you know, just like gossip among friends. And the fact that like Garcelle, like was so upset with the rest of her peers, I guess for like not having her back. It's just like, again, like there's a difference between gossip and like, well, hey, I didn't know you were going to sit there and platform this rumor and die on this hill.

It just, it just, it was surprising. I didn't get that.

I almost felt like part of the reason why she was upset is almost like she felt like she didn't get enough airtime at the reunion. Because she was pretty quiet throughout this three-part reunion. There wasn't a lot of Garcelle.

There was a couple, you know, listen, like she's, She's not a black belt yet. You know, like this takes years of practice. And I, you know, I've been really like excelling at this. And but it's like she just took it upon herself. And I was I was quite turned on. It was I found it to be very sexy.

Her body language kind of the whole time was just kind of quietly sitting there.

I've heard stories like that about Sutton many times, so not surprised to hear that. I've always been a big fan of Dorit as a character on the show, but watching these past few episodes, totally with you on the Sutton money comment. It was just kind of tacky. It was beneath her. It was just a bad look.

And how do I want to say this? It's just like when Sutton's mean, because Sutton can be very defensive and she never admits she's wrong. Like most of the housewives don't admit ever when they're wrong. But I don't think I think when Sutton is mean, it's a reaction to her feel feeling threatened. Right. And sometimes things come out the wrong way.

And with Dorit, I think when Dorit's mean, she seems very in control, like is almost like a meanness is like something she relies on as a tactic to like, you know, get her through social situations. Does that make any sense? Because it just she seems so in control when she's mean. I agree.

Where Sutton just always feels like she's just unraveling if she says something that you're like, oh, I don't know that that was a little mean.

Like finding ghosts? We need, yeah. Like ghost hunting with Jennifer Tilly and Kathy Hilton?

Anything else about Bev Hill? I mean, other than, like, I just really hope that next season... You know what's really... I didn't realize watching this, I didn't realize that every single one of the Beverly Hills housewives other than Bozeman is a single woman.

you know like a franchise that was usually based off of like you know housewives in a relationship that so many of these women are now single and I remember going into this season like wishing or hoping that this would be the season where we get to see like Kyle date or Dorit date it's like all right well if we're gonna if you're gonna be single I want to you know how these women interact in their in their relationships and in love lives is something I want to see and

Oh, is it maybe exclusive to Georgians?

And I don't want to see it, you know, in the form of Kyle talking about Mo again and again and again. You know, do you want to get back together?

Can we bring up a picture of her? It doesn't ring a bell. Oh, OK. She was on The View. She looks like a housewife.

I just hope Bozeman is back. If they do a revamp, I just want her.

She's definitely not wrong about that. The only thing that Erica's wrong about is the earrings.

That's true. I have a hard time letting that one go. But other than that, she's really... Yeah. Her comeback is great. And I think we mentioned this a few weeks ago. To your point, Daniela, it's just like when they say, it's like once you fly first class, it's hard to go back. Well, Erica's whole life was first class. Opulence, just everything. Her whole life was private. Designer.

And say what you want. It's incredibly hard for people to go backwards. A lot of very successful, very wealthy people have made some... Horrible decisions about their lives and their lives literally ended when they lost it all. And to her credit, she showed a lot of resiliency, picked herself back up. She started over. Yeah, she's still a lot going for as a housewife and things like that.

But like it's credit to her for not giving up because a lot of people have experienced what she's experienced and literally gave up.

Oh yeah. From the jump. I mean, the thing I laughed most about was when they were interviewing Jesse and Michelle and they were both kind of talking about their new partners and what they liked about their new partners. And I was like, you guys just sound like two people who are reminiscing what it was like to meet each other.

when you first started dating, you know, it's just like, well, he does this and then she does that. And it's like, yeah, I'm sure you guys did that with each other like 15 years ago. And like the way they talk about is if they finally are appreciated and they finally discovered someone who sees them for who they are. And it's just like, this is because like you haven't hated each other yet.

You know, it was just like,

Nothing about what they were describing, you know, was like, you know, they probably had in their relationship. But it was just like hilarious to see the way they talked about each other without like just acting like these new people in their lives or the kind of like they're, you know, they're saviors in relationships.

I like peach and pit. Rose and thorn.

I almost feel guilty watching this show and enjoying it so much, especially as a relatively new parent, because it's like it really doesn't matter who's right and who's wrong between Jesse and Michelle. It's like you're both kind of terrible parents.

to just like put your childhood trauma on display as you guys openly admit your pettiness about each other while not even be able to just look at your child and say, we can hate each other all we want, but like, let's just be a team when it comes to our kid. And it's tough to watch this level of toxicity like kind of just be accepted, right? while we're watching it is like normal behavior.

And it's just like, there's a real kid in this equation that's like, it feels almost wrong to allow to be filmed in a weird way.

I mean, if, if there's a silver lining, it's just like, maybe they're just showing, maybe they're putting a lens to all the parents who sadly have to deal with divorce. Cause I'm sure, you know, when you're going through it, you really don't see yourself. You don't, you don't see how you're acting. You just, you're, you feel like a victim to your partner and things like that.

So I don't know, maybe, maybe there is a silver lining for people who going through this to be like, God, I hope we're not like that, you know, and things like that. But I would have thought that Jesse being relative to being new to reality TV, you know, I was pretty critical of him season one, you know, just because of how he treated Michelle or just how he talked about being a dad.

And he really came across as like often incredibly petty and douchey. And I just wondered if maybe he would like watch it back, whether it was, you know, the edit or, you know, say what you want, but it's just like... So far, episode one, I'm not seeing a ton of growth from Jesse.

I'm not seeing a guy who just like wants to like just be less douchey looking or just wants to be thought of as like a dad who gives a shit or at least an apologetic ex-husband because like, Yeah. I mean, Michelle, maybe she left you. Maybe, maybe there's some things of some overlapping, but like, yeah, he, he did give her a lot of reasons to like, want to leave that relationship.

He was a petty guy. He wasn't supportive. He was often mean. It's just like, no one could watch him on season one and be like, yeah, that's, that's, that's who I want to be in relationship with. You would think he would want to learn.

And the one good thing about these like ensemble casts that come back for recurring season after recurring season is if like, usually if you're willing to learn and you get a bad edit or a bad beat on one season, you have a chance for like a bounce back or a redemption, you know? And so I'm kind of hoping that for Jesse, but so far, like I'm not holding my breath.

No, but that's the world. The world is full of people. Like everyone in this world is, you know, operating under their, they're the main character in this story. Right. And so like, whether it's at work, whether it's your friends, whether it's your family, we're all looking to, you know,

Yeah, well, no one's been a bigger Jax critic than me. I will say, though, this is not in any way a defense of Jax, but it is more of a criticism of Brittany. And it's similar to the Jesse and Michelle of it all. It's like, she says all these things about Jax. She's been very critical of him online, on the internet. She's saying these very, like,

scary accusations about jacks but yet she is leveraging this situation for her it's like a and i get it you're a reality tv star so like you know get your bag but it's like at what point is this real

and show aside like is it just healthy for her to remove herself and her child from this incredibly toxic environment you know like at one point do we ask that question you know because it's like you know one thing we know about jacks it's like he's never gonna learn you know he has never learned he's never shown any growth like honestly that scene when he walks into the bar it really just like reminded me like an adult life there are some there are winners and losers

And I don't mean like, even winners lose. Like, I mean, as an actor, right? You have not gotten more jobs than you've gotten, right? And to me, being a winner in life, in adult life is you fail and you're resilient and you figure out a way to overcome obstacles, and you're gonna fail a shit bunch of times

And then the losers are the people in adult life who just constantly victimize themselves, blame others for their problems. It's always someone else. And when Jax walked into that bar and all his buddies, I'm like, this is a group of men who are just losers. Everything else is someone else's fault. That's just the vibe I get with Jax and his buddies.

get more than we earn deserve whatever you know like it like that's life life is about human interaction it's about like if you're not going to set a boundary or expectations if you're not going to ask for what you deserve you're just not going to get it you know you're just not in life in relationships it doesn't matter and honestly like if you you have to get good at speaking

And it's just like, he's just never going to learn.

that whole thing is brutal yeah then that's also a tough one because it's obviously a very serious illness that many people suffer from and if you're not medicated you know you can put yourself and others in bad situations and it's like yeah it's it's it's very tough like i guess as a fan to know what's this like am i watching someone with a mental health struggle right now

Who really can't control what they're doing? Or am I watching someone who has made a history of making up bullshit stories and monetizing drama and knowing how to lean in? It's very confusing with Jaxx.

Yeah. I mean, it's it's a real mind fuck to like know like what's what. And he's shown to have like no moral compass, you know. So it's like this is a very serious thing we should respect. And obviously going we want to commend anyone who goes and tries to get help and gets treatment. But this is also a guy who has shown a willingness to.

to have no shame in like using storylines like this to his own benefit. So it's like, well, which one is, you know, it's like, it's, it's very icky, you know, just watching Jax Taylor on TV.

Are you excited about some of the Vanderpump people making cameos on the valley? Or are you just more like move on?