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Marie Gluesenkamp Perez

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The Ezra Klein Show
How a Red-District Democrat Is Navigating Trump

And so like the durable wealth is People kind of belittle this argument about washing machines and dishwashers, but it's real. And I think particularly for people who are in the trades, it's like, shit, it's got 0.5% lower energy consumption or whatever, but they put the control panel right underneath the drip line. So of course it's going to blitz.

The Ezra Klein Show
How a Red-District Democrat Is Navigating Trump

And so like the durable wealth is People kind of belittle this argument about washing machines and dishwashers, but it's real. And I think particularly for people who are in the trades, it's like, shit, it's got 0.5% lower energy consumption or whatever, but they put the control panel right underneath the drip line. So of course it's going to blitz.

The Ezra Klein Show
How a Red-District Democrat Is Navigating Trump

You know, the marriage not just of the technical, but of the applied. Like I used to kind of run this bike shop and I will never forget teaching a physics major how to hold a wrench. Be like, move your hand back. You know, this is a full, you know, it is this over-specialization that has sort of deprived the underlying value itself.

The Ezra Klein Show
How a Red-District Democrat Is Navigating Trump

You know, the marriage not just of the technical, but of the applied. Like I used to kind of run this bike shop and I will never forget teaching a physics major how to hold a wrench. Be like, move your hand back. You know, this is a full, you know, it is this over-specialization that has sort of deprived the underlying value itself.

The Ezra Klein Show
How a Red-District Democrat Is Navigating Trump

That's one of the things is that we've replaced the idea of freedom as the freedom to consume. And I would argue that we're not just consumers, we're stewards, we are producers. And so it's not just what you can buy, but it's what you can make and how you can make things last. And your values, your inner values manifest in the world around you.

The Ezra Klein Show
How a Red-District Democrat Is Navigating Trump

That's one of the things is that we've replaced the idea of freedom as the freedom to consume. And I would argue that we're not just consumers, we're stewards, we are producers. And so it's not just what you can buy, but it's what you can make and how you can make things last. And your values, your inner values manifest in the world around you.

The Ezra Klein Show
How a Red-District Democrat Is Navigating Trump

So like I have a bill that would require manufacturers of household appliances to put on the sticker the average life expectancy of that washing machine along with the annual maintenance cost. So I think like, you know, the persistence of Speed Queen or something like that does show that people will pay more.

The Ezra Klein Show
How a Red-District Democrat Is Navigating Trump

So like I have a bill that would require manufacturers of household appliances to put on the sticker the average life expectancy of that washing machine along with the annual maintenance cost. So I think like, you know, the persistence of Speed Queen or something like that does show that people will pay more.

The Ezra Klein Show
How a Red-District Democrat Is Navigating Trump

But having a class of buyers who has that information available, I think changes consumption habits.

The Ezra Klein Show
How a Red-District Democrat Is Navigating Trump

But having a class of buyers who has that information available, I think changes consumption habits.

The Ezra Klein Show
How a Red-District Democrat Is Navigating Trump

They're both. You know, my dad used to say you can talk about your values all day long, but you see somebody's tax returns and you know what they really think. one of the depowering of the environmental movement has been supplanting real environmentalism with a consumption habit. Like, true environmentalism is not just buying, like, a matte package at Target. You know, it's not a consumer good.

The Ezra Klein Show
How a Red-District Democrat Is Navigating Trump

They're both. You know, my dad used to say you can talk about your values all day long, but you see somebody's tax returns and you know what they really think. one of the depowering of the environmental movement has been supplanting real environmentalism with a consumption habit. Like, true environmentalism is not just buying, like, a matte package at Target. You know, it's not a consumer good.

The Ezra Klein Show
How a Red-District Democrat Is Navigating Trump

It is a way of being in the world. It's a relationship to the natural world around you. It is the way that you spend your life developing skills and allocating your time to live in relationship to the world around you. Like, One of the things I really love about where I live in rural Skamania is that we don't have trash service. So I have to look at all the trash.

The Ezra Klein Show
How a Red-District Democrat Is Navigating Trump

It is a way of being in the world. It's a relationship to the natural world around you. It is the way that you spend your life developing skills and allocating your time to live in relationship to the world around you. Like, One of the things I really love about where I live in rural Skamania is that we don't have trash service. So I have to look at all the trash.

The Ezra Klein Show
How a Red-District Democrat Is Navigating Trump

And, you know, of course I'm not going to buy a single serving yogurt cup because I'm going to have to smell that for two or three months before we go to the dump and load up the truck and take everything. Like you have to see it. And I think it enforces the reality that there is nowhere else.

The Ezra Klein Show
How a Red-District Democrat Is Navigating Trump

And, you know, of course I'm not going to buy a single serving yogurt cup because I'm going to have to smell that for two or three months before we go to the dump and load up the truck and take everything. Like you have to see it. And I think it enforces the reality that there is nowhere else.

The Ezra Klein Show
How a Red-District Democrat Is Navigating Trump

you can't export emissions the climate is global and like your relationship to the world around you not just as a terrarium but as a dependence and as like something that informs your your life daily like i think that really matters to informing what trade-offs people will make so i take that point but i mean most people want trash pickup right i want trash pickup

The Ezra Klein Show
How a Red-District Democrat Is Navigating Trump

you can't export emissions the climate is global and like your relationship to the world around you not just as a terrarium but as a dependence and as like something that informs your your life daily like i think that really matters to informing what trade-offs people will make so i take that point but i mean most people want trash pickup right i want trash pickup

The Ezra Klein Show
How a Red-District Democrat Is Navigating Trump

Yes, there are economies of scale, but often they can exclude the fuller reality. Like, yes, there is a modern convenience, but is the climate better? Are we happier? Are we healthier? Do we have what we actually want? Or has it been supplanted? And yes, I would like to have trash service, but would I like to have trash service enough to move to a city? No.

The Ezra Klein Show
How a Red-District Democrat Is Navigating Trump

Yes, there are economies of scale, but often they can exclude the fuller reality. Like, yes, there is a modern convenience, but is the climate better? Are we happier? Are we healthier? Do we have what we actually want? Or has it been supplanted? And yes, I would like to have trash service, but would I like to have trash service enough to move to a city? No.