Margaret Kiljoy

And, and so it's like, it obviously is going to bring out the worst in people. The, one of the reasons I want to have you want to talk about this is because I think that the experiences that you're talking about, they're much more real and intense than most people on the outside are like really thinking. They're like, oh, that sounds bad.

And, and so it's like, it obviously is going to bring out the worst in people. The, one of the reasons I want to have you want to talk about this is because I think that the experiences that you're talking about, they're much more real and intense than most people on the outside are like really thinking. They're like, oh, that sounds bad.

And, and so it's like, it obviously is going to bring out the worst in people. The, one of the reasons I want to have you want to talk about this is because I think that the experiences that you're talking about, they're much more real and intense than most people on the outside are like really thinking. They're like, oh, that sounds bad.

But then their brain kind of turns off and they stop imagining what bad looks like. And I think that this idea that we're going to have to stand up for our ethics regardless of the risk and cost to ourselves sometimes is what it takes to create a society that is resistant to fascism. I think it's the same energy that people are gonna have to do with like, no, you can't take my neighbors, right?

But then their brain kind of turns off and they stop imagining what bad looks like. And I think that this idea that we're going to have to stand up for our ethics regardless of the risk and cost to ourselves sometimes is what it takes to create a society that is resistant to fascism. I think it's the same energy that people are gonna have to do with like, no, you can't take my neighbors, right?

But then their brain kind of turns off and they stop imagining what bad looks like. And I think that this idea that we're going to have to stand up for our ethics regardless of the risk and cost to ourselves sometimes is what it takes to create a society that is resistant to fascism. I think it's the same energy that people are gonna have to do with like, no, you can't take my neighbors, right?

In the era of ICE.

In the era of ICE.

In the era of ICE.

Yeah, I really like that way of phrasing it. Yeah, we can't forfeit the future. How can people support trans prisoners with what's going on right now? I don't know how in touch you are with people on the inside and things like that. How are people feeling? Like, what's the vibe? What can be done?

Yeah, I really like that way of phrasing it. Yeah, we can't forfeit the future. How can people support trans prisoners with what's going on right now? I don't know how in touch you are with people on the inside and things like that. How are people feeling? Like, what's the vibe? What can be done?

Yeah, I really like that way of phrasing it. Yeah, we can't forfeit the future. How can people support trans prisoners with what's going on right now? I don't know how in touch you are with people on the inside and things like that. How are people feeling? Like, what's the vibe? What can be done?

Yeah. I mean, you actually kind of have said what people on the inside can do already, which is necessary and important, but people on the outside, what can people do?

Yeah. I mean, you actually kind of have said what people on the inside can do already, which is necessary and important, but people on the outside, what can people do?

Yeah. I mean, you actually kind of have said what people on the inside can do already, which is necessary and important, but people on the outside, what can people do?

Yeah. That makes sense. I sort of know the answer to this, but I'm going to pretend like I don't know it at all. What's Black and Pink?

Yeah. That makes sense. I sort of know the answer to this, but I'm going to pretend like I don't know it at all. What's Black and Pink?

Yeah. That makes sense. I sort of know the answer to this, but I'm going to pretend like I don't know it at all. What's Black and Pink?

I honor them for putting in that work because it's hard. And so someone who's listening, who's never considered being pen pals of the prisoner, could get in touch with Black and Pink and be hooked up with someone to write to?

I honor them for putting in that work because it's hard. And so someone who's listening, who's never considered being pen pals of the prisoner, could get in touch with Black and Pink and be hooked up with someone to write to?