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Marc Andreessen

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Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
How Democrats Drove Silicon Valley Into Trump’s Arms

Yeah, so, and I should say, like, I'm helping Doge on this, but I'm not speaking for Elon. Yeah, just to be clear. Not speaking for Elon, not speaking for the administration. Yeah, that's clear. So look, yeah, you know, look, so when, you know, I talked about Al Gore a lot earlier. You may remember Al Gore had this whole initiative in the 90s called Reinventing Government.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
How Democrats Drove Silicon Valley Into Trump’s Arms

Yeah, so, and I should say, like, I'm helping Doge on this, but I'm not speaking for Elon. Yeah, just to be clear. Not speaking for Elon, not speaking for the administration. Yeah, that's clear. So look, yeah, you know, look, so when, you know, I talked about Al Gore a lot earlier. You may remember Al Gore had this whole initiative in the 90s called Reinventing Government.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
How Democrats Drove Silicon Valley Into Trump’s Arms

Which was Doge 1.0. At the time, it was a normie Democrat thing, which is, of course, you want government efficiency. Of course, you want a balanced budget. Ideally, you want a government surplus. In fact, you'll recall that they actually got there. In the late 90s, the US government actually went into surplus. It actually worked. It used to be just assumed.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
How Democrats Drove Silicon Valley Into Trump’s Arms

Which was Doge 1.0. At the time, it was a normie Democrat thing, which is, of course, you want government efficiency. Of course, you want a balanced budget. Ideally, you want a government surplus. In fact, you'll recall that they actually got there. In the late 90s, the US government actually went into surplus. It actually worked. It used to be just assumed.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
How Democrats Drove Silicon Valley Into Trump’s Arms

It's like, of course, if you're a Democrat, you want the government programs to be efficient because you want them to sustain. Right? And you want, you know, whatever social support programs or whatever you want to sustain, you want social security to sustain. And so, of course, you want efficiency. And, of course, you want cost-cutting wherever you can get it.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
How Democrats Drove Silicon Valley Into Trump’s Arms

It's like, of course, if you're a Democrat, you want the government programs to be efficient because you want them to sustain. Right? And you want, you know, whatever social support programs or whatever you want to sustain, you want social security to sustain. And so, of course, you want efficiency. And, of course, you want cost-cutting wherever you can get it.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
How Democrats Drove Silicon Valley Into Trump’s Arms

And, of course, you want to eliminate, you know, fraud and abuse and all these things. And then, like, somehow now that's turned into, oh, my God, it's fascism, right? So it's another one of these, like, crazy inversions that's taken place.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
How Democrats Drove Silicon Valley Into Trump’s Arms

And, of course, you want to eliminate, you know, fraud and abuse and all these things. And then, like, somehow now that's turned into, oh, my God, it's fascism, right? So it's another one of these, like, crazy inversions that's taken place.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
How Democrats Drove Silicon Valley Into Trump’s Arms

It's possible. I mean, look, like I just said a couple things. So like one, what you said, it's been very deliberately set up. So it's not actually a department of the government, notwithstanding the name, the formal power will get exercised through the executive branch, you know, and through the White House, like everything else.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
How Democrats Drove Silicon Valley Into Trump’s Arms

It's possible. I mean, look, like I just said a couple things. So like one, what you said, it's been very deliberately set up. So it's not actually a department of the government, notwithstanding the name, the formal power will get exercised through the executive branch, you know, and through the White House, like everything else.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
How Democrats Drove Silicon Valley Into Trump’s Arms

But I will say, you know, there's a lot of support from the administration for the program. And if you look at the people being put into positions like OMB and OPM and so forth, like they're very aligned with it. So yeah. So at the very least, it's starting out with a lot of coordination and shared ideas. And then I guess I'd say, look, a couple things.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
How Democrats Drove Silicon Valley Into Trump’s Arms

But I will say, you know, there's a lot of support from the administration for the program. And if you look at the people being put into positions like OMB and OPM and so forth, like they're very aligned with it. So yeah. So at the very least, it's starting out with a lot of coordination and shared ideas. And then I guess I'd say, look, a couple things.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
How Democrats Drove Silicon Valley Into Trump’s Arms

So one is, just so we know what Doge is, there's actually three kind of threads that they're pulling on. There's the money side, but there's also the headcount staffing side, which is related but not exactly the same to the money side. And then there's the regulation side. And they have plans on each of those three threads on the money and on the staffing and on the regulation.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
How Democrats Drove Silicon Valley Into Trump’s Arms

So one is, just so we know what Doge is, there's actually three kind of threads that they're pulling on. There's the money side, but there's also the headcount staffing side, which is related but not exactly the same to the money side. And then there's the regulation side. And they have plans on each of those three threads on the money and on the staffing and on the regulation.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
How Democrats Drove Silicon Valley Into Trump’s Arms

They have plans on how to do it that are, I would just say, light years beyond anything I've ever heard of before.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
How Democrats Drove Silicon Valley Into Trump’s Arms

They have plans on how to do it that are, I would just say, light years beyond anything I've ever heard of before.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
How Democrats Drove Silicon Valley Into Trump’s Arms

I mean, look, you just have the smartest entrepreneur of our entire generation who's like the conceptual genius of our time across multiple domains. And, uh, They have plans where I think when people see them, I think people are going to be like, oh, I didn't realize that that's the way that you could go about this. And so they have original thinking on all three of those.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
How Democrats Drove Silicon Valley Into Trump’s Arms

I mean, look, you just have the smartest entrepreneur of our entire generation who's like the conceptual genius of our time across multiple domains. And, uh, They have plans where I think when people see them, I think people are going to be like, oh, I didn't realize that that's the way that you could go about this. And so they have original thinking on all three of those.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
How Democrats Drove Silicon Valley Into Trump’s Arms

And over the weeks to come, that'll become more public. But I think there's more underlying thought process here than I think people give them credit for. And then I'll just add one more thing to your point in comparing to prior eras. The prior attempts to do this all happened under the old top-down media machine, right?

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
How Democrats Drove Silicon Valley Into Trump’s Arms

And over the weeks to come, that'll become more public. But I think there's more underlying thought process here than I think people give them credit for. And then I'll just add one more thing to your point in comparing to prior eras. The prior attempts to do this all happened under the old top-down media machine, right?