Luke Rodgers
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Uncle Si & Willie Investigate Aliens, Ghosts, Demons & Blurry Creatures
Yeah. How many of these strange humans? How's that Bible reading plan going?
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That's right. That's a much better rate than the government's going right now.
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Uncle Si & Willie Investigate Aliens, Ghosts, Demons & Blurry Creatures
I think it's super interesting that there's, in some ways, there's a space now, right? Because I think people that have had weird experiences in general, there are a lot of folks in that camp that will be like, this disqualifies my faith. I can't find a place for this. So then my faith is sort of disqualified. Christianity doesn't fit for me because it can't explain these things. Yeah.
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Uncle Si & Willie Investigate Aliens, Ghosts, Demons & Blurry Creatures
But I think if you provide context and start pointing out all of the odd and supernatural things in our Bibles and in our faith, that you can fit your experiences in there and say, okay, this makes sense in the idea of spirits or angels or demons or fallen angels or creatures, whatever it is. As you pointed out, we know... Less about the ocean. What is it like? I'm going to butcher this.
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You can fact check. What do we know about? We've explored like 7% of our oceans. I'm with that.
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Yeah, that's a good pull.
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This is interesting.
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Oh, everybody knows.
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We did an episode, Carter, where with two police officers that had a Winnego encounter that was terrifying.
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It's definitely at the airport in Denver. It's living underneath.
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Uncle Si & Willie Investigate Aliens, Ghosts, Demons & Blurry Creatures
He better be fast, Si. He better be real fast.
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You seen one of those?
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Did you see him?
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Right. Now, you ever seen a talking donkey? You ever had one whisper in your ear?
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Uncle Si & Willie Investigate Aliens, Ghosts, Demons & Blurry Creatures
I think it's, if I'm going to answer, I think it's because a lot of pastors and leaders in the Christian church are in a place of authority where there's a pressure to always have an answer. And that requires some humility to actually say, I don't know. And I'll point this out, too, to what Willie was saying. I think what we're discussing here is very much a Western problem.
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If you get out of the West, you go to Sub-Saharan Africa, you go to the Amazon, you go, they live a very supernatural reality. All you gotta do is talk to any missionaries. Way more. Talk to Tom Doyle on the show, who basically is chronicling Muslims behind the Muslim wall, having repeated night after night dreams about Jesus. And Jesus calling these people out of Islam to himself.
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And this happens regularly. And then you go, I mean, my favorite ones are missionaries where they go to these unreached places and literally these tribes are like, we worship this God. This is our God. And the story, I've heard it a hundred times now. They're like, okay, the missionaries are there. Inevitably, there's a witch doctor. The witch doctor actually does heal people.
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There's this thing that happens with powers of darkness where it happens. What happens is sometimes they don't. I've heard the story at least half a dozen times. They don't. The witch doctor can't heal a person. And so, lo and behold, down the hill comes a tribesman. They say, hey, we got a guy who can't. He's not getting healed. Witch doctor can't do it. Can your God do it?
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and these missionaries go, we believe he can, and they go pray, and the person gets healed, and what happens? The entire village converts, because they go, your God is more powerful than our God. That sort of paradigm doesn't exist in the West. We have agnostics and atheists and all these people. But it exists in the Bible, you know.
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Right, but I'm just saying, when we're talking about the church, when you get out of the West, Most folks, whether you go to Haiti or Sub-Saharan Africa or the Middle East, they live a very supernatural reality. They don't have this division where they've imperialized everything and said, like, we've got to measure, touch.
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As you talked about, measure, touch, feel, and then we've got to validate within that. And I guess the irony is that we talked to a guy on the show, Dr. Craig Keener, and he's been recording miracles. Like, he's got volumes of modern miracles. Oh, yeah. And these are from the West and from outside the West, but they're happening. They're still happening. They're happening in the West.
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You just don't hear about them, which is wild. Well, no, no. Because God's still doing miracles. Of course he is. It's his business.
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We asked that question, Si. We asked him, if you were to say, why do you think? Maybe he is. There's not a formula to it, right? A miracle is really just, its basis is God intervening into the natural and something supernatural, something outside of the norm happens. Like you have this healing or an arm grows back or whatever. And he said, Craig said his opinion is,
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There's not a formula, but God acts in the miraculous at the cutting edge of evangelism. So when his name is on the line and people will come to him, God intervenes.
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So we see on the show a lot. Have you ever seen a movie called The Usual Suspects? Anybody seen that? You know what I'm talking about? Nevermind then, it's a good reference. But essentially, in the movie, he said the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world it didn't exist. And I think that's kind of where we live.
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We live in a time where a lot of people don't believe that the devil exists or that Satan exists. And if that is your worldview, And you don't have, as you talked about, this sort of army of darkness or kingdom of darkness warring against the kingdom of God. It's very hard to contextualize a lot of these things. And they'll say those things don't happen.
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But you're like, man, this happened in the Bible. Christ goes to the man of the tombs, casts out a legion, thousands of demons. Yeah. Out of a man. And this happens today. We've had exorcists on the show.
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Oh, yeah, I've seen it.
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Yeah, but you look at, like, what do they talk about? So if we're here and we're in the United States, then most people will say, oh, that's mental illness or it's schizophrenia, and these things get diagnosed away as let's just give them another drug. Sometimes it is those things. Sometimes it is that.
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Of course, I think exorcists that we talk to actually have a pretty good protocol being like, do you have a mental illness or are you demonized or possessed?
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Right? Yeah. Okay.
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I think we live in a time when we want to be able to empirically, as I said, measure, explain, hypothesize everything away and make it neat. And you can't do that to God. You can't put God in a box. And I think the entire story, as Nate's saying, in the Bible is literally God intervening into the story of humanity and ultimately restoring Adam and the sons of Adam back to his family, right? And...
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I do think you're getting this sort of analysis, or paralysis of analysis, they say, right? Where we try to analyze everything to death, measure everything. I think what's amazing, though, to that point, is the more archeology that's done in the Middle East, the more that it confirms the Bible. Whether it be the Dead Sea Scrolls, or whether it be them finding Sodom and Gomorrah.
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The more that they dig, the more that they look, the more they are finding corroboration for the stories of the Bible. And I think if we're meant to trust data, that's the way that our society works. the data is being provided, which is a pretty amazing thing, right?
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Because if you're, you know, if you're living in a, somewhere else, you know, I think that it's a different, gosh, you have different needs, right? It's sort of like the first world problems, right? That we need to sort of analyze everything to death. I think you live in a different paradigm if you are,
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just worried about where your next meal's coming from um if you're gonna make it that that's a completely different place i mean i spent time in southeast asia yeah as a kid or as a as a young person with with ywam and encountered families that like didn't know if they're going to be able to feed themselves after the next week or after the next three days and that's such a different place because they were trusting god to meet their needs to fill their bellies tonight and tomorrow and
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It's just a different space to be like, let's try to analyze all this and make this all fit into our, into our like academic paradigm to like, man, I just need God to provide and he does. He does.
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Well, I agree.
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So I think about this. Think about how many times we ask God for something and are praying that God comes through, but we have a plan B in case he doesn't. This is what we do. Well, no, no. I mean, this is what we do. We have a 401k and we have retirement. God, if this doesn't happen, I've got X, Y, Z. I have contingency plans.
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There's a lot of stories out of Afghanistan about giants. Of course, the Kandahar Giants, the famous one.
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Yeah. And I just don't think that is a lived reality for 90, 80, 90% of the planet. They don't live that. They're like, dude, we need- to eat, or I just hope that I don't get blown up today. It's just a different set of needs. It's interesting.
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The idea of faith in different parts of the world is very interesting, like what you believe God for, what you say you believe God for, but you really plan contingency for at the same time. Because that's not... The Bible, we see that happen, right?
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It does go with the Bible. It does.
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We actually touched on this, Nate, when we were talking to Hugh Ross about As they look back in history, if evolution, the theory of evolution is real, you should see a progression. No, no.
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They're finding periods, as they call them.
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There's fascinating names where everything shows up fully developed. You don't find any in-betweens. These are really hard, impossible questions to answer for an evolutionist because it shouldn't be that way. You shouldn't have all of a sudden this period begins and there's fully formed duck-billed platypus, to your example, right?
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That actually blows everything up and behooves an intelligent design.
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At least. And he had three brothers. They were mercenaries. I mean, his armor was.
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I think I go B. I don't think he was like Arnold. I think he just had like a supernatural strength. That's awesome. Yeah.
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Don't let them cut your hair, Carter.
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I see a lot of that stuff. There wasn't writing for a long time in human history. It was all oral tradition. You make a point. I think it was a little bit before we were going west. It wasn't the westward expansion of the United States.
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We don't get anything done. You'll like this.
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Yeah, I agree. I mean, we talk about it on the show a lot about the idea that, like, you have all these stories, right? And, Cy, you've given us a bunch of stories here. But, like, if even one of them is true, right, then you have to expand your paradigm. It busts your paradigm.
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So whether it be, you know, a UFO experience or a Black Panther, as we've kind of gone over, you've got to make room for that, right? And I think you did a great job. I think we can quit the show now. You basically explained how good and evil work. You got it all figured out.
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I think, yeah, the basis of our show, though, is we have a very supernatural faith. And in some ways, as 21st century Westerners and Americans, in a weird way, some of that very supernatural aspects of our faith have been divorced from Christianity. Yeah. Think about it. We have a virgin birth, a resurrected Christ. You've got giants and talking donkeys. That's what I was thinking. Angels and all.
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I mean, think about all that. But a lot of times people don't have, especially now, like post-Enlightenment, the sort of academic era we live in.
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they kind of put Christianity in this box and it's just like it's just Jesus and he did this which is great but it doesn't provide a lot of context when people have experiences like seeing a black panther or like seeing something that shouldn't be there or UFO what are you meant to think about that and then what we are proponents of is that Our faith is big enough.
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There's a lot of weird stuff in the Bible, stuff you won't hear on Sundays because, unfortunately, a lot of the Western church is a business. So you're not going to get a sermon on aliens or Genesis 6. Pick your poison when it comes to the Bible, the weird stuff. You won't get a lot of that because a lot of pastors need butts in seats.
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And I feel like for whatever reason, Nate and I stumbled sort of backwards into- It's good for our show, yeah. A space where you provide a platform for people to talk about it. No, no.
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There's a lot of blurry creatures in the Bible. Is there? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. A lot of crazy stuff in there.
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It will if you get healed.
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Yeah, year five. This is year five starting here, 2025. We started in 2020.
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Yeah, especially about weird stuff.
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Yeah, it's tough because they're probably not a prime audio collecting device if it was on a security camera. Yeah. I'm trying to separate the fact that Cy has talked our ears off about Black Panthers for the last day.
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This is the smoking. Boys, I told you. Now look. So I've heard mountain lions. I grew up in Northern California. I told Sy this as a kid, and it does sound like a woman screaming. That one's tough. It's a little different than what I heard from a mountain lion. There were mountain lions there, like where my grandparents lived when I was a kid.
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They lived way up in the forest, Northern California, and it would sound like a woman screaming. I heard this as a kid. It was terrifying. We'd be trying to sleep, and you'd hear this sounds like a woman screaming outside. and there was a big cat, which is equally as terrifying.
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This is a good question, too. Yeah.
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Well, that's only really half our show. The other half, if we're getting back to it, is we try to do highbrow discussions. So we try to have theologians and doctors and authors and people that have created content and spent their 10,000 hours on a particular subject, however weird that may be.
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we try to at least create this sort of academic high-brow standard so that we have real discussions that... Yeah, you try to learn something. Feel credentialed, right? Because everyone... There are so many stories. People have the weirdest experiences as humans do in general, right? This is like as a kid growing up, Coast to Coast Radio.
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I remember listening to it at night with my folks driving home from my grandma's house after Christmas or wherever because my grandma lived about three and a half hours from where... where we lived and so.
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My parents would be keeping themselves awake listening to Coast to Coast Radio and I remember falling asleep as a kid to that and loving those kind of stories. I think what we're trying to do is take that and provide an academic research context to that as much as you can. And biblical paradigm.
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He was like their in-house theologian for a while, or more or less the in-house doctor for a long time.
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Did you have a bad coat?
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We had Mike on twice before Mike passed away. Yeah. But we had Heizer on twice. I think, Nate, we've talked about this a lot, but his book, Unseen Realm, which we were talking about yesterday, Zach, that you just read a couple weeks ago, was really like a seminal piece of our show and influence on our show. Because I think what Nate was saying is true. We-
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It's all peer-reviewed. Mike would famously say that he had no new ideas. He just compiled them. His story is really fascinating. He goes all the way through seminary, gets his PhD in ancient Semitic languages and the Old Testament, and then has this seminal experience where one of his Colleague says, have you read Psalm 82 recently? Says, yeah, he read it in Hebrew.
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We're just trying to talk about and contextualize a lot of the things that people experience and see. Things we're talking about in mainstream media. We kind of hit it at a crazy time because we're two years into the podcast in 2022, and all of a sudden, Congress is having House Oversight Committees on UAPs, right?
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I don't know, goes back and reads it and realizes like, oh my gosh, like this connects to Deuteronomy 32 to Genesis 6. These are all, the Hebrews are the same. What does this mean? And it's the whole divine counsel.
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That's what we were talking about. So the idea of Gen 6 comes out of Genesis 3, which is the first prophecy. It's God prophesying, saying that the... the seed of the woman will crush the head of the serpent. It's the prophecy of Christ, right? And what you have happen downstream is Genesis 6, which is an angelic rebellion at Mount Hermon.
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And Mike has a book called Reversing Hermon, which is fascinating. He talked about reversing Babel, same idea. But you have angels, fallen angels taking wives and creating Nephilim, what's called a seed war.
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So they are, in a lot of ways, they're trying to breed out humanity for the idea then if you cannot, if you have no more humans, the seed of the woman cannot defeat the head, crush that serpent, can't beat the dragon, right? So you have the seed war. that comes downstream as well. And then that makes the flood make a lot more sense. And that's where the giants come from.
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So that's the other thing, right? Progressive Christianity has a really hard time with the conquest of Joshua, right? Well, all the violence in particular. Well, it's the number one objection that you're going to get from an atheist on. God sanctions genocide. Yeah. And you serve that God. He's not a good God. And I think that's the problem is you mentioned it. Like Moses, they have the spies.
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And Joshua and Caleb are the only ones to say that we can beat them. But there's giants here, right?
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So when you start to take the idea that, okay, this is all part of the seed war and you have giant tribes. So these are hybrids. These are not human tribes. I mean, but this is what the language says. This is not just me just being crazy. This is what it says. Then God wiping these abominations out, this attempt by the darkness to destroy humanity is really his using Joshua.
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They had godlike qualities. Pantheon. It also begins with the Canaanites. So you have Baal, who is a storm god, and you have Zeus, who is a storm god. And it continues, you have this Thor in Norse mythology, but you have this Satan character. And a lot of people in the space, a lot of researchers will claim that it's just Satan wearing a different mask. The new empire, the empire that dominates,
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And we're already talking about the weird stuff and trying to contextualize it within a biblical worldview, a biblical context. So if we're Christians, how are we to think about the weird stuff? When we look at our Bible, how do we...
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the chief God of that empire is a deceiver, is Satan. He just wears different masks, whether it be, you know, Baal or Zeus or... Whatever is chaotic. Or whatever.
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But they left them. Yeah. And the ones they left became a thorn in the side of the Israelites for the rest of time.
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Every civilization has folklore and stories about giants too. This really all can't be coincidental. But I think that's a hard thing. We're sitting here in 21st century. We're in Louisiana right now, and we're 21st century Americans. And the idea of a giant, a 10-foot, 8-foot, 9-foot, 10-foot giant, it seems fantastical.
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Think about some of the things that people would want to gloss over on Sundays, whether it be the conquest of the Promised Land by Joshua, giants, or you go to Genesis 6, which is not a passage you have preached on Sundays a lot, because you have this very odd sons of God saw the daughters of men and saw they were fair, and they took them as wives, and they're Nephilim in the land, and they're after, and these were the men of renown, et cetera, right?
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This is Genesis 6, one through four.
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Yeah. Wow, son of man, why are you here before your appointed time?
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Now we just had a conversation about Bigfoot, which is where, this is where our show, like sort of tongue-in-cheek begins, even every episode, right? It's like there's this, Bigfoot's a gateway drug. It's the most seen cryptid in the United States and in the world, and especially it's part of Americana now. But you have so many hundreds,
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This is what I love about us revisiting the Jesus and his movements from this lens in the last almost five years now of our journey is realizing how intentional Christ's movements were. It's not random. When they go to Cesar of Philippi, when he takes them to the gates of hell and has a speech, that isn't like we're just gonna take a little 10 minute walk this way from Nazareth.
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It is far, like wear out your sandals, walk. It was intentional. And that happens to be at the base of Mount Hermon, which is where, according to, where the angels ascended in Genesis 6. And so the cosmic, as we say in our show, significance, the cosmic geography of what he was doing, so intentional. As he steps out of, into Gentile territory, these...
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I think that just, it's like this 3D view of the gospel and realizing that Christ is undoing so much that the darkness has done. And his intentionality of his movements, locations, the things he does, he's playing 4D chess. Yeah.
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if not maybe even thousands of encounters, reported encounters a year, and as Heiser said, and I promise this is full circle, but as Mike said, and said on our show, which kind of stuck with us, is that if even one of these is true, is real, right, then it busts the paradigm, and you gotta figure out how you put something this odd into your worldview, And how do you make sense of that?
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a low bar but uh i think you you know should make an amendment because it's blurred at first but then it becomes clear well that's you know the name of our show is actually from it's a joke the whole thing is it's from a mitch hedberg joke where he basically says maybe it's i'll paraphrase it but he just talks about how all the pictures of bigfoot are blurry this is even more terrifying than it would be the idea there's actually a blurry creature running around like so
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And I think 2022 with the UAP stuff, we had mainstream media. We had Tucker Carlson. We had a number of others, Joe Rogan, of course, but like these other mainstream voices, right? Because mainstream media is dying. This is a whole other conversation. But things like Sean Ryan's show and Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson are talking about this now, right?
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This, this whole UA UFO thing, which was just sort of relegated to wearing tinfoil hats and, and, and all that before. Um,
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Right, but that's the paradigm, though, right? This is what we talk about often on the show is that we, you know, the Bible's written to an ancient Near Eastern audience. This is Mike's stick. I mean, this is where he goes, right? And we're 21st century Americans, and we read it like it's written to us, right?
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But I think the separation, too, as you do point out, is like we're like post-Enlightenment. Yeah. Cartesian philosophy, academic era, imperial paradigms where we want to measure, it's a scientific thing, and I think sadly in a lot of ways in the church, we sort of, this is just a broad question.
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They're everywhere. That's my point. I think we live in a weird way. We've kind of separated the natural from the supernatural in the Western church. That's right. And so this becomes then a paradigm buster to be like, and we talk about in the context of this, what is an extraterrestrial, right? And this is an example. It's something that's not of Earth. So what's an angel then?
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Angels not Earth-born. The sons of God sang for joy at the creation of the Earth, is what Job says. So they by definition would be extraterrestrial. And that's a whole rabbit trail to go down, but the idea that we can create context around a lot of the weird, and that our Bibles got a lot of weird stuff in it. that we just don't typically talk about in your.
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How do you accidentally take off your beard?
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Yeah, you entertain angels.
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Not like that, though. We were way ahead of the curve. I've been there since my 12th year in Tennessee, and Nate's even been there even longer. So we got out when it was still bad, but it isn't like now.