Kenneth McKendrick

Because if you're really robust, you'd sit down at the table with anybody and talk to anybody about anything.

Theory goes one way, practice goes another.

But ultimately, we have to sit around the table to resolve these things.

We're going to have to come to consensus.

It's not going to happen in an academic journal.

It doesn't matter how true the theory is.

Raised in it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was an interesting journey, you know, moving out of that.

It's still part of who we are.

Like who I am in the classroom is different than who I am on the podcast and who I am going to be at the dinner table tonight.

Like we adopt different personas and ways of being in the world based on context and that kind of thing.

My hunch is that we took this basic idea of clean and dirty and we grafted evil sort of into that concept and sort of blended them together in order to be able to make the idea of evil thinkable.

And for me, that's really, really fascinating is what are the things that make evil thinkable?

Like as a concept, when something is, you know, diabolical or atrocious or, you know, demonic, what are all the things that went into you being able to think that?

And I think dirt is one of them.

There's a book by Mary Douglas called Purity and Danger.

And for me, it was a bit of a revelation because she basically said, look,

When you look out at the world, you classify everything that you see.