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Katy Balls

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Pod Save the UK
Trump wins: where the hell do we go from here? w/ Katy Balls + Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP

I think more likely than not. But I wouldn't bet a huge amount of money on it. Not that we do betting in politics since the general election. It didn't go that well for some people. Ultimately, there is a precedent and there is a long history in the Tory party, which I think is almost a bit too Labour, this idea, you know, the most ruthless party around.

Pod Save the UK
Trump wins: where the hell do we go from here? w/ Katy Balls + Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP

I think more likely than not. But I wouldn't bet a huge amount of money on it. Not that we do betting in politics since the general election. It didn't go that well for some people. Ultimately, there is a precedent and there is a long history in the Tory party, which I think is almost a bit too Labour, this idea, you know, the most ruthless party around.

Pod Save the UK
Trump wins: where the hell do we go from here? w/ Katy Balls + Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP

But while Labour kind of let their leaders struggle on for longer when they're not doing very well in the polls, The Tories tend to move more quickly. You look at a few of the factors. No candidate in the final parliamentary stage had more than a third of the party supporting them. Kemi Badenoch, Robert Jenrick or James Cleverley. That's quite low.

Pod Save the UK
Trump wins: where the hell do we go from here? w/ Katy Balls + Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP

But while Labour kind of let their leaders struggle on for longer when they're not doing very well in the polls, The Tories tend to move more quickly. You look at a few of the factors. No candidate in the final parliamentary stage had more than a third of the party supporting them. Kemi Badenoch, Robert Jenrick or James Cleverley. That's quite low.

Pod Save the UK
Trump wins: where the hell do we go from here? w/ Katy Balls + Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP

You'd hope one would have at least half the support. And I think the last time that happened, the closest example is Ian Duncan Smith in 2001. And he was forced out before he got to an election. And they've already changed the rules before Kemi Badenoch started on the 1922 committee, which is the shop steward Tory backbencher group. to raise the threshold for no confidence letters.

Pod Save the UK
Trump wins: where the hell do we go from here? w/ Katy Balls + Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP

You'd hope one would have at least half the support. And I think the last time that happened, the closest example is Ian Duncan Smith in 2001. And he was forced out before he got to an election. And they've already changed the rules before Kemi Badenoch started on the 1922 committee, which is the shop steward Tory backbencher group. to raise the threshold for no confidence letters.

Pod Save the UK
Trump wins: where the hell do we go from here? w/ Katy Balls + Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP

So it's now a third of MPs. Because, of course, what we saw for the past couple of years was just journalists constantly tweeting saying, I hear a letter might have gone in. Is there going to be a vote?

Pod Save the UK
Trump wins: where the hell do we go from here? w/ Katy Balls + Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP

So it's now a third of MPs. Because, of course, what we saw for the past couple of years was just journalists constantly tweeting saying, I hear a letter might have gone in. Is there going to be a vote?

Pod Save the UK
Trump wins: where the hell do we go from here? w/ Katy Balls + Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP

Exactly. What would we tweet about all day? No, so I think... So the apparatus is in place to try and help her get to the next election. And I think right now, you know, well, you would expect this, you know, we're about three or four days in. There's not currently an appetite for regicide, but it would be quite worrying if there was this early on. So there is a path.

Pod Save the UK
Trump wins: where the hell do we go from here? w/ Katy Balls + Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP

Exactly. What would we tweet about all day? No, so I think... So the apparatus is in place to try and help her get to the next election. And I think right now, you know, well, you would expect this, you know, we're about three or four days in. There's not currently an appetite for regicide, but it would be quite worrying if there was this early on. So there is a path.

Pod Save the UK
Trump wins: where the hell do we go from here? w/ Katy Balls + Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP

The risk is that she proves too divisive to her party, doesn't make enough friends. And, you know, after some tricky local elections next year, runs on a bit. And then they say, why don't we look to someone like James Cleverley on the back benches?

Pod Save the UK
Trump wins: where the hell do we go from here? w/ Katy Balls + Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP

The risk is that she proves too divisive to her party, doesn't make enough friends. And, you know, after some tricky local elections next year, runs on a bit. And then they say, why don't we look to someone like James Cleverley on the back benches?

Pod Save the UK
Trump wins: where the hell do we go from here? w/ Katy Balls + Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP

I think there is an effort to try and make this a unity shadow cabinet. And you can see that in some of the appointments. I think Kemi Badenoch's bluntness is both almost her biggest strength and her biggest weakness. It wins plenty of admirers who think it shows she's authentic and that's what the Tory party has been missing.

Pod Save the UK
Trump wins: where the hell do we go from here? w/ Katy Balls + Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP

I think there is an effort to try and make this a unity shadow cabinet. And you can see that in some of the appointments. I think Kemi Badenoch's bluntness is both almost her biggest strength and her biggest weakness. It wins plenty of admirers who think it shows she's authentic and that's what the Tory party has been missing.

Pod Save the UK
Trump wins: where the hell do we go from here? w/ Katy Balls + Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP

in a world when you're up against these really big personalities in some cases, perhaps not the current prime minister. I'm like, who have we been talking about? But they're very worried about Nigel Farage, who's often seen as this authentic, straight-talking politician by his supporters.

Pod Save the UK
Trump wins: where the hell do we go from here? w/ Katy Balls + Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP

in a world when you're up against these really big personalities in some cases, perhaps not the current prime minister. I'm like, who have we been talking about? But they're very worried about Nigel Farage, who's often seen as this authentic, straight-talking politician by his supporters.

Pod Save the UK
Trump wins: where the hell do we go from here? w/ Katy Balls + Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP

So I think in that shadow cabinet, those really two senior roles, obviously a shadow chancellor and shadow foreign secretary, going to not just where they are in the party, but they both also went for the leadership. So, you know, reaching out in that sense. And interestingly, because obviously a lot is written about, you know, she is moving the party to the right.

Pod Save the UK
Trump wins: where the hell do we go from here? w/ Katy Balls + Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP

So I think in that shadow cabinet, those really two senior roles, obviously a shadow chancellor and shadow foreign secretary, going to not just where they are in the party, but they both also went for the leadership. So, you know, reaching out in that sense. And interestingly, because obviously a lot is written about, you know, she is moving the party to the right.

Pod Save the UK
Trump wins: where the hell do we go from here? w/ Katy Balls + Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP

Speaking to figures around the shadow cabinet table in the party, actually the bigger complaint is there's not enough figures from the right in the shadow cabinet. Right, yeah, yeah. Because you, Priti Patel, for sure, but you look for it. You know, Robert Jenrick, who was her main rival, he has been given a job, but it's not the most senior job, the shadow justice secretary.

Pod Save the UK
Trump wins: where the hell do we go from here? w/ Katy Balls + Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP

Speaking to figures around the shadow cabinet table in the party, actually the bigger complaint is there's not enough figures from the right in the shadow cabinet. Right, yeah, yeah. Because you, Priti Patel, for sure, but you look for it. You know, Robert Jenrick, who was her main rival, he has been given a job, but it's not the most senior job, the shadow justice secretary.