Katie Phang
Appearances
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
I think it's been the surprise people like Amy Coney Barrett coming forward and ruling on the side of the quote-unquote liberal justices. I mean, there's the predictable decisions that are made in terms of the splits of the votes. I don't think you've seen anything too outrageous, but we've seen people like Amy Coney Barrett step up and say, you know what, not on my watch.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
You have to ask yourself, Tim, really. It's like, These are all human beings, right? So you've got your Clarence Thomases and you know what motivates him and you know what he's all about. But these are lifetime appointments. And I feel like somebody like Amy Coney Barrett probably went to SCOTUS and said, look, I've got like 20 children. And for me, abortion is a big deal.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
And so Dobbs was a big deal. And that's maybe like, you know, we talk about one issue voters. Maybe there's one issue SCOTUS justices. I don't know. But everything that Trump does violates any traditional norms of conservatism.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
Selbst wenn man es von einer strikten Konstruktionistin oder einer originalistischen Perspektive von irgendwelchen Leuten auf Skoda sieht, muss man sich fragen, du und ich wissen beide, dass jemand wie Brett Kavanaugh, auch wenn mich dieser Kerl ausdrückt, aber ich glaube nicht, dass dieser Kerl wirklich mit Donald Trump auf sozialer Ebene verbrennt ist.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
You're not inviting him over to hang out with you. And so everything that Trump stands for flies in the face of what they, as in the conservative justices, are supposed to be standing for. But they are the textbook example of kind of greed and avarice and grift and that type of energy.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
Not all of them, but the majority of them when it comes to the uber-conservative, I guess, majority side of SCOTUS.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
But they're not supposed to be, though. I know they're not supposed to be.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
Nein, nein, nein, ich habe es nicht. holding the line when it comes to the rule of law and telling Trump to go shove it. Because he's not listening to what you're saying. And I do think there's got to be some buyer's remorse about allowing Trump to think that he is a king. I think this idea of presidential immunity, I think it literally has gone to his head.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
And I think it was so short-sighted because maybe SCOTUS thought that Americans weren't stupid enough to put Trump back into office and that that decision would just kind of stand in perpetuity and just be a stain on SCOTUS. But he did. You know, he snuckered a whole bunch of damn people to put him back into the office. And now he is.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
And now he's like, well, I don't really have to listen because unitary theory allows me to do whatever the fuck I want to do because I'm the executive. Well, no, that's not really unitary theory, you dumbass. And so, again, critical thinking is important, people. And education is even better. It is a three for all in Trump 2.0.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
Und ich kann sagen, dass diese Entscheidung der Trans-Militär-Servicen ist eines der erstaunlichsten, denn man musste das nicht tun. Man musste nicht auf eine Ursprüngliche Applikation von der Trump-Administration, dann musste man nicht sagen, weißt du was, wir werden diese Entschuldigung bleiben. What was the harm? So, I don't know. It was just incredibly disappointing.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
Yeah, really quickly. So May 15th, and this is rare. So remember we just talked about an emergency application done by the Trump administration. Trump administration. If the shoe fits. I called him Trump before on national television. I thought it was a Freudian's Trump administration. That was an emergency application for the Trans-Military Service member ban by the Trump administration.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
Jetzt gibt es noch ein weiteres Ursprungsgericht von der Trump-Administration bezüglich des nationwideen Entschließungsgesetzes, das den Trumps-Exekutive-Order blockiert hat, das fast die Verteilung des 14. Änderungsgesetzes, das die Bürgerrechte gewährleisten würde.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
Und so gibt es federalen Gerichte in drei verschiedenen Städten auf der ganzen Welt, die nationwide die ursprünglichen Entschließungsgesetzes eingebracht haben, die sagen, dass der Trumps-Exekutive-Order nicht implementiert werden kann, während die Fälle vorgesehen sind.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
Now, people seem to think that on May 15th, the Supreme Court of the United States is going to decide whether the 14th Amendment is gone and not applicable anymore. That's not the case. It's a very narrow issue in front of SCOTUS on May 15th.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
It's whether or not a nationwide injunction can be applied to everyone and anyone versus just the specific plaintiffs that have sued for relief in those particular cases. You want to know why that shit is not... Ridiculously ironic now. So when the Trump administration likes their nationwide injunctions, they're fine with that.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
But when they don't like the nationwide injunctions, they want to bitch and moan and they want to run to the Supreme Court to get something done about it. Now, I will say that there are sitting justices on the Supreme Court that don't really love this idea of a nationwide injunction.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
They're very keen on the idea that you must be a plaintiff that has sustained some type of injury to go to court and get this temporary relief, etc. But in this instance, That is the only issue that is going to be heard on May 15th. And so I caution people, I say knowledge is power. You need to know that there's not going to be a ruling from SCOTUS. But I will add this caveat, Tim.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
If the Supreme Court says, that they are not going to allow a nationwide injunction to be applied while something is pending on birthright citizenship, then you and I both know that the practical effect would be that only the plaintiffs would get the protection versus other people who would then be kicked the hell out of the United States, which is a Trump administration specialty.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
So we got to watch this case very carefully, even though it's kind of a technical issue. It's still a very important issue for all Americans at this point.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
And think about this. Matt Kaczmarek, who is in Texas, and he's the king of Republican forum shopping cases, right? Everybody wants to run to him in Texas. He's the one who entered the nationwide ban on Mifepristone, and that ended up winding its way to the Supreme Court, right? I mean, Biden and his administration, he listened to what the judges say, you know?
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
I mean, these are the things that I'm saying is the hypocrisy of the GOP right now. I'm always troubled, too, because I don't know about you, but I feel like Du hast immer viele ehemalige Lehrer oder Lehrerinnen, die Politiker werden. Ich fühle mich, dass das der Fall ist. Es ist eine Art Trend. Und wenn du also ein Lehrer bist, weißt du, dass du von den Regeln abhängig sein musst.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
Du musst von den Regeln abhängig sein. Du musst von all diesen Dingen abhängig sein, Tim. Und du hast diese GOP-Senatoren und Hausmitglieder, die nur ständig da sitzen, während alles in Bezug auf Institutionen und Normen und die Regelung des Landes einfach überflüssigt wird.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
So in light of that, I mean, I'm kind of wondering why we're not hearing more from our Republican members of Congress when they're seeing all of this bad stuff taking place, like the noncompliance by the administration when it comes to the Supreme Court's ruling on Kilmar, Obrego, Garcia, etc. We're not seeing enough screaming from the rafters about noncompliance from the GOP right now.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
It's two words. It's political retribution. Three words. Illegal political retribution is what it is. So yeah, kudos to Mark Saeed. He is being represented by Abby Lowell, who we know left his firm to be able to go out on his own, to be able to represent people that are being targeted by the Trump administration.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
He's also working with Norm Eisen, whom I've joined up with at State Democracy Defenders Fund to be able to litigate this case. Yeah, Mark is suing the Trump administration, the executive and federal I think four or five federal agencies. Why? Because he and 15 other people basically got their security clearances revoked for no reason whatsoever. But there is a reason.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
The reason being that Trump doesn't like Mark and others because they actually have the balls to go up against this administration. It's pretty wild though. I gave this analogy the other day when I was talking about with Norm Eisen and Jen Rubin. I said, consider the fact if you were working and you needed, you were a craftsman and you needed your toolkit.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
And one day Trump came along and said, you know what, fuck it, I'm taking your toolkit. Warum? Weil ich nicht mag, wie du siehst, oder ich mag nicht, was du über mich gesagt hast, oder was auch immer. Und dann hast du literally keine Geräte, um deinen Job zu machen. Mark braucht seine Geräte, um seinen Job zu machen. Er kann seine Klienten nicht repräsentieren.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
Er hat von ODNI, dem Offizier des Direktors der Nationalen Intelligenz, gesagt, er kann nicht mal einen klassifizierten Anruf gegen einen seiner Klienten anrufen, weil er keinen klassifizierten Anruf hat. Das ist ein typisches retributives Verhalten, das ein kräftiges Mannschild ist.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
Das Problem ist, dass es große Auswirkungen hat für Leute wie Chris Krebs und Miles Taylor und andere, wo es nicht nur ist, ich kann meinen Job nicht machen, sondern es ist jetzt übernommen, dass ich jetzt Todesangst habe und Leute wollen mich kommen und mich töten.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
Ja, so think about it, right? It's not just that. And, you know, we grow up with bullies, right? We have bullies in our lives, all of our lives we have people. And maybe as we get older, we are able to manage bullies a little bit better. But when Trump uses his bully pulpit literally as a bully, we have a serious problem.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
Und das ist, weshalb es so wichtig ist, an diesen Ausschüssen ein Licht zu schalten und ein Licht zu schalten, weil es nicht melodramatisch ist, zu sagen, dass du nächstes Jahr bist.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
Any American could be targeted, whether you're being targeted by Doge and the stupidity of Doge and the cruelty and the recklessness and the destruction of Doge, or Trump decides that he doesn't like you standing up one day and saying what you're saying, or he decides, I'm going to declare martial law because you took to the streets and you decided you wanted to protest for your rights.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
I mean, you literally could be next. Any American could be targeted. And so it's important to shine a light on this type of atrocities of what's happening.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
He's been in jail since last year when he was arrested. He was not able to post a bond because he wasn't given the chance to post a bond, which makes sense because he's basically looking at life in prison right now. He has a five-count federal indictment that's being prosecuted by the Southern District of New York. And because of that and the nature of the charges, he is facing this jury trial.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
Now they're in the process of jury selection, Tim. And a lot of people are like, why should we care about P. Diddy? Because a lot of people don't care about P. Diddy. I tell people you should care because this is somebody... And of course it's allegedly, but I've looked at the indictment, I've looked at this evidence. Somebody who used his celebrity status to abuse and traffic.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
And there are a lot of victims. The indictment has four specific victims, one of whom is Cassie Ventura, who was a girlfriend and a protege of Sean Combs. And he was seen in a video from 2016 that was released last year, beating the hell out of Cassie Ventura and then dragging her back to this party called Freak Ops.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
Das waren männliche Prostituierte und andere Männer, die mit jungen Frauen sechstisch waren. Sie wurden von den Prostituierten verabschiedet, um in diesen Freak-Offs teilzunehmen.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
Sie wurden enttäuscht und verurteilt, um nicht vorwärts zu kommen, vorwärts zu kommen, vorwärts zu kommen, vorwärts zu kommen, vorwärts zu kommen, vorwärts zu kommen, vorwärts zu kommen, vorwärts zu kommen, vorwärts zu kommen.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
Oh Gott, du bekommst es von Facebook aus allen Orten?
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
So no, it's not Justin Bieber. But what I appreciate about that question though, Tim, is think about all the celebrities that surrounded him. How many people were complicit? How many people knew? How many people were also kind of cowed into submission, intimidated or scared that if they spoke up about... P. Diddy, Bad Boy for Life, Sean Combs,
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
Kannst du dich von deiner öffentlichen Person ausbreiten, von dem, wer du bist? Sein Befehl ist, von seiner Verteidigung, es war komplett konsensuell mit all diesen Gefahren. Und ich bin ein Schwinger, also kannst du mich nicht für meinen Lebensstil beurteilen.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
Aber wenn du dich voranbringst in das Publikum und ihr Verbrauch ist, wenn du ein Gangster-Rapper-Kind bist, ist ein Jury, der sagen wird, weißt du was, ich werde mich von der Idee, was du öffentlich bist, ausdrücken und glaube, was du mir im Gericht sagst.
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Alle Gefahren sind Frauen, ja.
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Well, not all of them, but the ones in the indictment. The ones in the indictment.
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Oh, nothing. Nothing at all. It's been very mellow, right? No news. No news about me. You know, nothing at all.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
Listen, I was always there, but I was silent like a ninja. So I've been doing legal analysis. And some people know this. I was actually doing legal analysis on Fox News for a number of years, pre-November 2016, before everybody jumped the shark there and went totally nuts. But I was on Fox and Fox Business. And then I came over right after the November 2016 election in December.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
Interestingly, I came over with Megyn Kelly and Greta Van Susteren, if you can believe it.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
There was a trifecta exodus of us from Fox. And we came over to MSNBC and Greta left very quickly thereafter. And Megyn unceremoniously left as well, maybe about a year later. But I have always been a legal analyst.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
Ich gebe Megyn Kelly einen Rund für ihr Geld, obwohl sie Extensions hat und ich nicht. Aber anyway, neither here nor there. But I was always a full-time trial lawyer running my own law firm. I was working for other firms and then I had my own firm. and doing legal analysis for MSNBC. But it was always kind of a tough thing, right, Tim?
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Because I felt like my bread and butter, paying the mortgage was my legal, right? And then I felt like I was cheating myself because I really loved doing the TV analysis. But then when I did the TV analysis, I'm like, well, crap, I still have to be there front and center for my priority, which are my clients. And so for years, it's kind of walking that tightrope.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
And then out of the blue in November of 2021, I was approached by MSNBC and they were like, look, we would love for you to have your own show. was, ich meine, ein bisschen wild, richtig? Das ist also das, was mich in meinen drei plus Jahren der Katie-Fang-Show bei MSNBC begonnen hat. Was für eine Art von Legalisierung warst du?
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So I was a, for lack of a better way of putting it, I was a hired mercenary. I would parachute in and try cases because that was kind of my thing. But I was doing a lot of business torts, business litigation. I was doing a lot of employment litigation. And then I was doing a lot of crisis comms. And I always used to say, if I'm doing my job well, you have no idea what I'm doing.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
And then I did some high net worth family law cases. So I represented some very interesting people and their family law issues.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
Listen, I had a completely amicable departure from the network. In fact, you'll see me back as a guest doing legal analysis here or there. But I will say the independent media space is fantastic. There is a kind of Katie Unleashed that I've been able to be doing. Some of it is expressed in profanity. But you know what though, Tim? What's your favorite cuss word?
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
I say shit a lot, because shit works, right? Shit can be great, shit can be bad, but lately everything is a shit storm or a shit show that kind of covers the waterfront, I think. But I will say this, you know, all kidding aside, you have to meet the urgency of the moment with the urgency of the message. And I've always been big about being authentically me.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
And yeah, so maybe you didn't hear profanity, but you kind of heard the urgency of what I thought people needed to know when I did the show on mainstream. And now that I'm on independent and digital, it's just a different, you know, ballgame wholesale.
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You've got a naval aviator for 19 years. Sie hat mehr als 60 Kampfmissionen geflogen, insbesondere in Irak und Afghanistan. Die Vereinigten Staaten-Navy hat mehr als 20 Millionen Dollar auf die Training für diesen Piloten verwendet. This is Commander Schilling.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
And Commander Schilling is one of the plaintiffs in the case that SCOTUS has now basically said, at this point we're going to allow you, Commander Emily Schilling, to be booted out of the United States Navy, despite all of the work that you have done and all of the money that has been spent, simply because you decided that you were going to transition in 2021. I mean, Tim, this is why...
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This is a particularly outrageous moment because the other federal courts that have been deciding this and the reason why it made it to SCOTUS, they said, look, these are completely nefarious bans. These are completely nefarious executive orders by Donald Trump. There's no legitimate reason to discriminate against trans military service members. And yet, unfortunately, you have this decision.
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
And it was an order that basically said the following, Tim. It basically said, look, If the Trump administration wants to file what we call a petition for writ of certiorari, meaning that they want us, as in SCOTUS, to be able to decide the case on its merits, then okay, we may take this case and we may listen to this case.
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And if we do, this kind of ability for the Trump ban to keep on going and this complete evacuation of all trans-military service members is going to be allowed to happen until we render our judgment. But if we decide we're not going to take up this case, then automatically this stay is going to be terminated.
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But it's outrageous because, you know, Tim, there's only 4,240 members, only 0.2% of more than 2 million military service members that identify as trans. And so it's very disappointing to see that we have this type of decision that came out of SCOTUS. It doesn't mean it's the final say, but you know what?
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It's this type of stuff that's making a lot of us say, who is really making the decisions at SCOTUS right now?
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S2 Ep1037: Katie Phang and Greg Casar: Trump & Co Are the Real Flag Burners
There's no evidence. There's no evidence that being a trans military service member means that you are dishonoring the uniform, dishonoring your commitment that you're making. And to your point, I'm not in the military. I don't have the balls to go and do what they are doing. I mean, this commander is just one of, like I said, just a few, only 0.2% of our active military. And yet...
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Sie sollte überwältigt und verheiratet und bemerkt und respektiert werden für das, was sie getan hat, weil das Art von Zufriedenheit nicht jeder will. Und so passt es einfach so, Tim, mit der Idee, dass Trump auf die Militär schickt. Trump respektiert es nicht. Es gibt einen Grund, warum er nie gesperrt hat.
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Nicht nur konnte er es tun, aber er hat sicherlich nicht den Respekt, den der Militär verdient. Und ich frage mich einfach, warum du all diese You know, the other fellow service members not up in arms about this, no pun intended, right? Not up in arms about the idea that there's going to be a total purge for absolutely no legitimate reason of trans military service members.
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And so, you know, you get these type of decisions and Tim, you got to lick your wounds and kind of hope that the right is done. But in the meantime, it doesn't stop the purging. And that's the most disappointing thing about this decision.