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Kaitlyn Dever

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Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

three different directors for all eight... I think there were eight episodes.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

It was really bangs, no bangs, really. Right, yeah. No, it's much darker than that. Um, I think it was, yeah, I wanted to keep track of the time, but also the withdrawals that she was going through. So sometimes she was like doing a lot better and she was on the up and then she'd have relapse and withdrawals were really intense again. So I felt like I really needed to

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

keep track of that and um but yeah a lot of it was like oh this is bang betsy and then this is no bangs what was it like working with michael keaton i love that i love him he's honestly like he has been and and and always like just been my one of my favorite actors ever i think i He's kind of I mean, he's done so much work, but I also feel like we haven't gotten enough of Michael.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

But I think that like that's why we love him so much. I think he like he does this like amazing movie and then he kind of like tucks away again. And there's something that I feel like I don't know. I really admire that about him. Did you ever see the movie Jack Frost?

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I don't know. He like turns into a snowman. He's like a man turned into a snowman. Is it a Disney one? I have no idea, honestly. But I just remember having this, like, image of him as a snowman. And, like, when he turned into a snowman, he still looked like Michael Keaton because they still kept his eyebrows somehow. But, no, I just was a fan of his.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

It was really, like, if I'm to pick, like, two actors that I really admired as, like, a little kid, it would be Tony Collette and Michael Keaton. I love Tony Collette. I got to, it's just really kind of crazy that I got to work with both of them, um, like pretty early on in my career, I'd say. And, and yeah, but he's, he's so cool.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I like how, um, he's really relaxed and he makes you feel relaxed, um, when you're doing scenes with him. And I don't know, I just, I, I love, I just really liked his energy, like when we were working and then

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

post the show coming out i just loved how like i don't know he's pretty he was honestly like he pretty careless about the whole press thing of it all he really just wanted to be back home and yeah chilling which i really appreciate um he seems like just he's yeah he's one of the most down-to-earth people i've like one of the most down-to-earth actors and people i've ever met

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I am not holding this mic right in this whole interview.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Hold it however you want. What?

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I have been acting for, oh my God. Wait, I didn't sip this.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Okay. Well, I started working. I did my first movie when I was 11. Okay. What? And I had been doing commercial. I had gotten a lot of commercials like the year prior to that. So I guess I was like 10 when I first started like working. And I started doing acting classes in Texas. So I said I was from Arizona, but I moved to Texas when I was a baby.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

So I really don't consider Arizona like my hometown in any sort of way or like where I grew up. Right.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

texas dallas texas is really kind of where i i'm going there next week or this week for my show of my tour for my first god yeah do you have any recommendations um no just because i was a child and i don't remember a lot i remember my trampoline i remember all of the childhood core memories the snow and all of that so i don't have any recommendations i'm so sorry it snows there oh Yeah.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I did not know that. No one knows that. It's weird. It gets really cold in Texas. There's a real season change.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Well, you know. Moved to Texas when I was just under two. Both my parents were figure skaters. I have to segue into this really quick because I just love their little story. My parents were figure skaters, and then my dad randomly, randomly got the job for, like, like to be the new voice of Barney the dinosaur. And yeah, it's a little fun fact about my life. No way. Yeah.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Um, I think he remembers, I think he remembers going to like a table read or something with the two of them. It was like so early on that. I don't know if he remembers, but I think he's, he's yeah. Yeah. Um, but yeah. And so that's what moved us to, cause they do their production out there. Oh, And then I started doing yeah I started doing acting classes when I was nine.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

It was really I had to really beg my my parents. Oh really. I just had like such an urge all the time to like. like perform and mimic people. And I, I, yeah, I don't know. I, I just really, um, I just had like a fascination with it. And I really wanted to be like Christy Carlson Romano, um, from even Stevens or that's a Raven like I, or Lizzie McGuire, like those girls.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Thank you so much.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I just wanted to like be on Disney channel. And I kind of thought that you could just like,

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Beyond Disney Channel, but you can't. That's not how it works. I auditioned many times. What'd you audition for? They didn't let me in. What did I audition for?

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

There was a, I think, honestly, it was pre, I don't even know if I'm allowed to say this, but it was like a show that then Ant Farm was supposed to, like they took, like there was a show that they were going to make and it was the cast of Ant Farm.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Yes, but it was not Ant Farm when I auditioned for it. It was, like, a completely different show, and they did the pilot, and it did not get picked up. And then they just took that cast and made a new show. Lore.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Yeah. Yeah, I did, like... I did other, like, after-school activities, like ballet and dance and soccer, and I did... figure skate also i i did compete um because of my my parents and i just really didn't enjoy it as much as i i enjoyed like performing like putting on plays with my sisters um my dad literally like built us a little stage that's really sweet yeah um It was really cute.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Like a tiny, like a really like elaborate, like we had like curtains and everything. No way. Yeah.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Um, we would make up our own.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

No, they definitely want to be in the film industry, I think, for sure. My middle sister is an amazing screenwriter, and then my littlest sister. By the way, when I told her, I was like going down the list. I was not fully aware of your podcast. I'm just not with it and what's hip, and you're so hip. Oh, thank you.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

And my sister turned red when she thought, when she found out that I, yeah, she was like, no, you're not. She was freaking out. Jane, shout out to Jane. She was like, she was so excited that I was going to be on your podcast. But yeah, she wants to be in like, um, she's actually styling, helping me get styled right now and picking out clothes for me. She makes her own clothes. She's, she's amazing.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

She's an amazing woman.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

jane is about to be 21 maddie is 26 i always have to figure that out because i'm 28 and we're always just we're just under two years right right right anyway um the stage the stage back to the stage so you guys would write your own plays we would put on our own plays and I really loved like performing with them. And I just loved, like, I don't know.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I just, I really just, I loved singing and kind of making a fool of myself all the time, embarrassing myself, um, And I really, yeah, I, I, I really want it. I, I knew acting was like a thing that you could do. And it's crazy to think back on, you know, being that young and knowing that this is what I want to do. Cause that does not, I know I realize how, how rare that is. And that doesn't,

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Yeah. It's like, it's, it's an investment.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

happen for everybody. And I, I really can't explain why I wanted to do it. But my, my mom, when I first, I mean, she actually told me this like four or five years ago, she was like, um, cause I used, she said I used to stare at people, uh, like when I was little and she almost like, it got so bad at a point where she was like, I feel like I got to like tell her, she can't be doing that.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Cause that's a little bit, she was like, this is This is really becoming like a consistent thing. And then she she told me that I realized you were probably doing I didn't ever stop you because I realized you were probably doing it for a reason, which really is like so I think is so beautiful. But also, yeah, I really did.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I was fascinated by, like, people's mannerisms and the way people walked and the way people sounded. And I would make fun of my, like, elementary school teachers all the time. Like, I, you know, I just, like, I don't know. I was just fascinated by people and the idea of playing different people. And I think I... And really, yeah, I wanted to explore that. And thankfully, my parents allowed me to.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

So I started going to acting classes out in Texas. And then an agent came out for a kids showcase where kids would do the same Skittles monologue. Skittles monologue? Skittles monologue. I can't remember it or recite it. There was something about... Taste the rainbow. There is just a monologue that I had to do in front of these people. And one of them was shout out to Cindy Osborne.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

It really is. It's a little bit... It's really such a whirlwind kind of story.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

She is like a yeah, I guess she was a child child actor agent. I guess that's how you say that. Um, and she still has her agency open, but yeah, I, I signed with her because she was like, oh, you should come out and try, uh, like auditioning. And my, my mom always told me like, I didn't, I didn't ever want you to like,

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

it was really sweet like I didn't ever want you to like turn 18 and like be upset with me that I didn't at least give you a chance or like take you out and at least give you the opportunity but my parents both were very much so uh like very realistic I guess in their approach with the whole thing they were like listen we're gonna let you do this um we'll go out for like two months and

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

and stay in la temporarily but like this is gonna be really really really hard and you're gonna get told no a lot and i think that always i don't know that helped me kind of they're honestly my mom was also pretty negative she's like very negative i always just like assume the worst right that's kind of what yeah like that's what my mom was like as a kid as well like when i auditioned for the school play she was like you're gonna be an extra

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Yes. Yes. Well, so yes, it is a true story. We're kind of saying it's a true story based on a lie, is how they started off every episode. But it really... I really felt like a lot of freedom in taking on the role because the...

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Yeah, I do. I still do. Yeah. I think I, even when I'm a week into a job, I'm like, I could get fired. And then even then, once the movie is finished, I could get cut out of that movie.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

No. Well, knock on wood. But it could. It could happen. And I'm okay with like, I'm ready for it. And you have to be.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I've never said this publicly.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I want to know what it is. I'm ready to say it. I'm ready to just let it out there. I got really close to doing True Grit. No way. But I love Haley. Haley's a really, really good friend of mine, actually. I think I was like too young. I was a baby.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I think she's, well, I think she just like, I was like a little, little, I was, I looked like six when I was 13. I was, I think that that was the issue. I think that character has to be like a certain, has to have like a certain energy and she killed it. I loved that. She was amazing in that movie, but I wasn't necessarily devastated. Like it was, I never got like too attached to things. Yeah.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Growing up, like, even now, I don't get super attached to stuff. I just, again, it's, like, that realistic mindset that I have. I'm, like, okay, well, I go into an audition knowing that, like, there's so many other people that are auditioning. And, like, I really do have, like, an it is what it is mentality, which I think is healthy.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

But I'd never I have never walked into a room thinking like I'm I'm getting this. It doesn't I don't feel like for me that's not like helpful. I just like there are certain things that I did really want. But even when I found out that I didn't get the things that I wanted, I was like, okay, like the person who got it was meant to get it. And I'm like, that's okay.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

And like, there's always going to be another thing. So I don't get like too, so I wasn't like, I've never, I can't really remember being actually ever devastated, but that was like, I guess like the biggest thing ever. at that time in my life that I was like, Oh man, yeah, Jeff Bridges would have been cool.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

writer creator sam strauss was so um adamant about creating our own version of bell gibson right right um so i didn't feel like so much pressure to like you know because i don't even think we'll we will ever really know who the real bell gibson is um but it is a she really did do that she really did did she has she said anything about the show

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

But also I was like, I ended up meeting Haley years later and we became really good friends and I loved the movie. Yeah.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Yeah. And then there's, and then you sort of look at your trajectory and you go, Oh wow, I wouldn't have done this, this and this. Had I, had I done that?

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Yeah, true. It's very true. So, Yeah, I don't think I would have done, I think, yeah, I realized it would have, like, timing of Short Term 12 coming out and Justified, I just wouldn't have done those shows because I would have been, yeah, it's just wild to think about that. Sliding doors.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

And I'm getting on the boat. Right. No, you're, like, ready for vacation. I'm the captain.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Both Justified and Short Term 12 were two things that I really felt like, oh, I'm finally getting to get down to the stuff I really like to do, which is like play a person that feels really, really different for me. And I think that that's what I always want to do and I want to continue to do that.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

And seek those kinds of things out because I think it's such a honestly like really therapeutic for me as a person. But justified really felt like. um, a show that I like really enjoyed. And like, I also was so like aware of just how I, I was like 14 when I 13, 14 when I did the show or when I started it. And I was really aware of the fact that like, Oh, this is, these are some cool people.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

And like, these are, I'm around all these really cool adults and I'm going to, I'm learning a lot. And I was sort of like a sponge on that set, just really taking everything in and,

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

and getting to like do a scene with margo martindale was sort of like just just so crazy and i think i was like not old enough to have seen any of the like any of the actors work necessarily so i was just meeting them as people and i was just like in awe of all of them um And I was, yeah, I was, like, doing accent work for the first time.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

And, like, I remember the snacks were really good on the show. And, like, catering was really good. And my dad would come to set with me, and he really liked the catering. It was just like a... It was really like also just a really wonderful experience.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

And I felt like, oh, wow, I'm I still to this day think it was like Justified and Booksmart and maybe Dopesick were like my favorite sets that I've ever been on.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

No. I know nothing about where she is. I know nothing. That's crazy.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I never talked to her before. I was even just for the first time because on Netflix, I was, you know, I was like, okay, I got to watch something other than Gilmore Girls on Netflix. So I looked at like the top and I know our show was up in the top 10 for a while. I think it still might be, but like now the docu-series that they made on Belle Gibson in 2023 is like

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I think at certain moments they definitely, like, you can feel the energy shift. And that is another, like, powerful thing about, you know, making movies and TV is that shift. When you're actually, like, making it, like, in real time, people are, like, kind of, still and respectful and like actually watching the scene play out real time in real time. I think that that's a really cool experience.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I don't know. I don't think it really changed the, the energy on, on set as a whole necessarily. But on something like, like that in particular, that, that job in particular, it was kind of, wild to be doing those kinds of scenes, and they are, it is a very, like, Betsy's storyline is very dark and so heartbreaking and sad. I had a lot of people coming up

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

to me sharing their own stories with addiction and just telling me how grateful they are that this show is being put on a platform like Hulu and the world is really going to see the injustice of this and I think that that was the coolest thing for me as an actor to sort of have those real in-person experiences with people I was actually making the show with it was like whoa this is a big deal

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I really... It was such a cool experience. It really was. It was such a privilege to get to kind of step into this new world that is so loved, so deeply loved by so many people who are fans of the game. And then there is a whole group of people that are also just fans of the show who haven't played the game.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

global top three on netflix and i started watching that for the first time i knew it existed when i was doing the show but like i was like i don't need to do research on this anymore but i'm actually just like fascinated on what this is i never watched it before oh my god wait no way yeah i just didn't want to be too tied to to her um like mannerisms and everything i mean i i was only really pulling from the that pink turtleneck 60 minute interview that she did i don't know if you watched that i reenacted it in the show right

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

so it really is so it feels so massive and that's the first time i've really ever done something like that and to get to be a part of that is really cool um and my dad is a really big fan of the video game oh really yeah he loves the video game so much so getting to like take on the role of abby he was like so stoked that i got this part um

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

And yeah, I think I, I, it was a crazy, honestly, to be quite honest on this podcast here, I, it was, it came into my life at a really crazy, really just insane time. I had, I had lost my mom back in February of last year and I was, I like had already started prep on this show and before my mom had passed and then she passed away and then I had to literally like go and shoot right after.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

And I was like, it was such a, it was such a, like truly such a whirlwind. And, but I remember talking to my dad about like having to go to work after something so catastrophic and, And my dad was like, I don't think there's a group of people that could have been better for, to like carry you through that time.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

It truly was like, it really felt like I was being carried through in such a gentle and beautiful way. And I don't, Yeah, I don't know what that would have been like had it been another job, truly. I loved the group of people that I got to work with. Craig Mazin is amazing. Neil Druckmann is incredible. Bella is so sweet. And Pedro, I just, yeah.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Pedro, I really, really connected with him in a really big way. He seems awesome, yeah. He's everything you want him to be and more. I mean, truly, what a special human being.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I had already played the game. I think what was cool about kind of the Craig Mazin's and Neil Druckmann's approach was that they really want to capture the essence of the video game. But also, I think that they weren't really concerned or worried about... I mean, their main concern was just capturing the essence and capturing the emotion of of the characters.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

And, um, I thought that that was like a really cool way to do it because there, there is one version where you're just like doing a carbon copy of, of the video game. But then like, why would you make the TV show then?

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Oh, my God. Long, Long Time, that's the one with... That's the one with the Linda Rodson song. Oh, my God, yes.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Marie Bartlett and... Nick Offerman. Nick Offerman.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

kills me i know it's so beautiful it's so good so yeah i mean there's so much yeah there's so much that that the show really brings to the the whole world of the last of us i think um oh my god that show is so good i'm so excited for the second season yeah it's it's yeah i'm getting like so pumped up talking about it so excited but yeah i i didn't so i played the first game actually with my dad um

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

And I think he's probably played that game like four times. Really?

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Yeah, I know. It's crazy. It really is crazy. That's why I'm on edge right now because I don't know. Everyone is obsessed with it. It's so cool.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

It's so, it's such a cool, like what a cool thing to be a part of. I mean, I just, yeah, I sort of still can't believe it. And, um, I'm so grateful that they, that they wanted me to be a part of it. Um, but yeah, I, I did.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

So I did play the game, but Neil and Craig were kind of also saying like, don't, and they were telling a lot of our other cast members, they were like, don't really like, we want you to kind of Like here's a photo of the person, but like, let's, let's, let's, or the video game character, like let's create something organically here, which I think is really cool.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

And I love what Bella did with their performance and, and same with Pedro. Like they really like, like, there's like a lot of nuance to it that I think really is beautiful in the show.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

um and that was one little thing that i wanted to kind of get exactly right because it is just it's bonkers yeah it really is so bad and she has the just this bright i mean you saw it in the show but like the turtleneck is real and the lip gloss is so real i mean there's just so much lip gloss i had to get those those points right for sure but yeah it was the the docuseries is really interesting

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

That will be in Australia.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I can't, I can't really, I can't escape it. No.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I do. You do feel that it, it's so far away. You're like, you're like ahead in the future.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Yeah, today is Monday, and yeah, it is Tuesday there. Do you feel like so... Glad we got that cleared up.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Yeah, you feel like it's because you're ahead in time, you're a whole day ahead, but also... you're physically so far from like California. Like I was, it's, it's, it's a long way home.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

It's great. The weather was great. I think I've shot, so I shot Apple Cider Vinegar in Melbourne, which is very different from Queensland, which is where I'll be again for Godzilla. Queensland, I was, I shot Take It to Paradise, should I say.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I've been, yeah, I've been, I was just there. For what? For press.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Yeah. yeah, I go, I go there a lot. I go there a lot.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Um, okay. Well, I was watching the bell Gibson docuseries. So there's that. Um, what else? Uh, I did just finish. I mean, this was pretty recent. I guess this is the most recent show that I've binged. Nobody wants this.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Yeah. It really is the kind of show that you just want to like, you know, order some spaghetti and just cuddle up and it's so wonderful. I love the entire cast. It's so good.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

They're on their fourth season now? Second.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I just recently saw on my Instagram that they were doing some sort of promotion for the Grand Central Station. There's like a clear glass box that they all sat in for like hours. I think that's so cool. That's really thinking outside the box.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Honestly, I tend to re-watch... Or what I'm finding comforting right now in my life is just to watch things that I know are going to make me feel comfy.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Gilmore Girls. I've seen When Hera Met Sally a thousand times. I just like play it before bed. I haven't really, other than nobody wants this, it hasn't been anything like new, new.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Ooh, what do I like right now that's like current? Claro. I love Claro. SZA. I just actually got to go to the Super Bowl and see that performance that she did with Kendrick. Oh my God, it was so good. I had such a fun time, but I love SZA so much.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Yeah, I get that. Another one that you said, Bon Iver. I think you'd like, do you know Ethan Gruska?

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

at all no oh he's so good and he is yeah he actually i think he produced remy wolf's recent album oh that was a great album i think i don't want to i think that's right but he actually did a like a collab with remy wolf too um and he's an amazing musician and he has like his own solo stuff that he does and he's incredible i just have to give a shout out to him because he's amazing

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

And then what was the other one I was going to think of? What was I thinking? Oh, this is one that I wanted to mention. McGee.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Thank you. I mean, yeah, I, I, I was, I wanted to pull from the, I guess the essence of Belle Gibson and what she seemed to be like online. Um, and that kind of image she put out there. Um, but it was really all in the scripts. Like the, the writer just kind of really wrote and so, um, eat like each character so specifically and like they really did have their own voice.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Did you see McGee's SNL performance?

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Have you seen Are You Looking Up YouTube music? No. The YouTube music video?

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

But it's so good. I'm obsessed with McGee right now. That's, like, my biggest obsession. I'm glad I remember that. I'm obsessed.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I'm going to send it to you. Yeah, please. The YouTube music video, yeah.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I got it. A lot of mechanical things were going wrong. Ooh, that would drive me up a wall. Like call boxes getting into buildings. Yeah, yeah. none of them worked this week for me.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

And I feel like it's, it's like, I don't know if you're into astrology, but like, I think like technology, when it, when me too, that's exactly how I would say it. But like when technology starts to like,

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

technology has just been not going well this this this week for me and that really I was like thinking about like my pet peeves and my sisters really know this about me like when something like like a computer doesn't work or like when the Apple TV doesn't work or like remote I have there's like seven different remotes no I'm not kidding I feel seen like I'm getting like angry like when technology doesn't work for me it makes me so fucking angry oh my god and then like when I'm at my parents house like my dad gets like I'm gonna say I get mad at my dad for no reason like he like

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

He doesn't know how. I don't know. It just really makes me irrational and angry. And that happened a lot this week. So I guess I'll say that.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I saw the first season. I saw the first.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

That's a your friend problem, unfortunately. And they can't control that. There's only so much you can do there.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

But if that person is getting overstimulated, that's a situation that you can't really do much about.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

You can be there for them. Yeah.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Well, you have to protect yourself.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

You have to protect yourself, and then you have to know your boundaries.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

And even when I watched it for the first time, when it like premiered on Netflix and it's just so cool to like click on a show that you're on and it's on Netflix, just as kind of like a surreal thing, like, Oh, I'm in the show and I get to click, click on it and watch it. Um,

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I would not be able to hold a podcast.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Again, that's their problem.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Yeah, they're new friends. They're new friends. You might get the ick. Like, you just have to expect the ick.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Because that's really true. No one's perfect.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

You first. Well, I feel like that's also really important, like, in romantic relationships.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Okay. I just feel like, yeah, there's certain things that you just have to sort of, like... Except. No, correct. Yes. Some things you just like won't like and you just got to like move past and like it's an interesting.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Well, there's just, like, you're not perfect.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I'm so not perfect. And, like, why would I expect to be with a perfect, you know, person?

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Well, that's your perspective of your friendships, right?

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

But when I was watching it back, there were certain lines I didn't even realize at the time, but they're just so specifically Belle. And that is just the magic of Sam and how brilliant she is. And it really did feel like there was a lot of the work was already done for me. Um, and yeah, just like the accent, I was like, I just was a nervous wreck doing that.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

But let's talk about why.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Yeah. Or that you're not a bad listener, but it's that...

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

So... That feels like a stretch. I mean, I just met you, but... Really?

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Well, maybe you just have a lot going on sometimes. I don't know. I don't see you as a narcissist. I mean, I really don't get that energy from you at all.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Yeah, it's so annoying.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Yeah, it really is.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

This person has to say, like, listen, this is why I can't tell you what I'm... So I'm not going to tell you what I'm watching anymore. And that person can decide if they're going to stop spoiling. And meanwhile, that person is P-O-P? P-E-I... P-Y-P. P-Y-P.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Yeah. They're doing that.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I was on like three or four.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

And so I felt like really, I had to get that down too. And that did also really like, I think that really did help me get into like, like seep into the bones of who this, this woman was in a lot of ways. It made me feel like a totally different person.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

something someone passes and uh that was definitely oh that's the what you say yes oh well i've seen that because of yeah i've seen that because of the s there was an snl um like spoof of it and so then i actually went back and watched so i wasn't really that tapped into oc anyway but We love Adam Brody. Is he in that? No, he's in the other one.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Right. He's in everything.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I saw a photo of, sorry, I stalked you on Instagram. You had a dirty martini in your hand.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

It's just the seaweed. I don't know if my tongue can ever- Oh, you don't like the texture? It's literally the taste of seaweed that I don't like.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I can do like, I've like baby stepped into sashimi.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I think that that would be the advice here. But like also you need some vitamins from other things. You do. You need a well-rounded diet. So look at it as a life upgrade. And a necessity. And a necessity. Fuck.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Yeah, I just feel like baby steps there. And also I did the same thing with avocado.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
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And now guac is my favorite.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
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It's so good. But yeah, I wanted to be a part of the avocado club.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
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Because they taste like the ground.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
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It tastes like a stone fruit.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
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The texture-wise. You don't like nectarines or peaches?

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I got it. I got it.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
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I'm a scroller. I don't create.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
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uh psychic readings my sister's tiktoks um and like skincare okay love what's your star sign do you want to guess yeah i actually do but you said you're ish so i know that okay are you a virgo no but that's a good read thank you yeah

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Yeah, it was, um, it is one of the hardest, um, accents I've, I've done a few other accents. This is one of the hardest accents I've ever had to do. Right. Um, it's just such a weird, I mean, not to, I love the accent, but it is such a weird accent and like really feels like when it's in your mouth.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Okay, so it's none of the ones that you guessed for me.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Oh, wow. I love Taurus. I wonder if you have Taurus in your... I'm a Scorpio. Okay.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
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My moon is Taurus and my rising is Capricorn.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Yeah, and earthy. But that's why I said Virgo is interesting because Virgo is also earth. Wait, no, it's not. But no, that's why I said that because my middle sister Maddie is a Virgo.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

This is a tough one. Right?

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I mean, I'd like to know more details about, like, how long has this been going on for. Right. You know, like. there's a certain point where you kind of accept these kinds of behaviors and then you have to, and if maybe you have a, if you've already had like one or two talks with this person, maybe it's time to consider moving out. You need to get out of that environment. Yeah.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

If it's not suitable for you.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Did she say she's hooking up in her shower?

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

This is crazy. I think, yes, they get involved, right?

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I feel like if they're... That's outlandish. Well, they're a part of it now. Yeah. If they were not having to watch him in the apartment. I feel like that's, that's one thing, but like, because they are like kind of in, in it and they've made them feel like they kind of have to say something.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I don't know. Sometimes I'm like, you can't get involved.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

But in this situation, I think you get involved.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I was that, well, When it surely, when the, it feels weird in your, like, it doesn't feel not like nothing about it feels natural at all. Um, and it was really difficult.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Um, that you're not a narcissist.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I did see a dialect coach. I have to mention her name. Her name is Jenny Kent. And she really, I really could not have done it without her. Um, but yeah, we would sort of, I mean, we prepped like three months before we started shooting and she, we just sort of like took it in baby steps and she sort of taught me the basics of the accent and, um,

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Then we started doing, going over lines and she would, you know, read, she's an Australian woman herself. And so she would read a lot of my lines to me. And then like, I feel like I also have like a, I think having a music ear is,

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

helped me in a lot of ways but it kind of also was like I was really my biggest bully at the time just because I was so hot I would like nitpick every single little sound that would come out of my mouth and then I would talk to the dialect coach about it I'm like I are you sure this isn't sounding right that take was kind of that take was bad and she's like no I don't you know I and we would just really talk it out each take and it was really like uh um it was very detailed um

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Which I wanted to be because I really didn't. It's such a gigantic accent to take on that I didn't want to disappoint people and the people of Australia.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Yeah. Yeah. I was deciding what I was going to do beforehand. I was like, I've never had to do this kind of accent before. So I really was like, there was no real formula for, for this or for me specifically, or I didn't know what was going to be right for me. Um, and I kind of thought about that. I just don't know if something about that felt like, I don't think I can actually do that.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Cause there's so much of the like working experience and being on set is, is to me really the community and, and, the family that you build when making these things. And it would be really hard for me to feel like I'm really connecting with my peers and the people at work if I'm, like, in the accent the whole time. Because it's not who you actually are.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

And that would be really hard for me. And, yeah, so I didn't. I stayed away from doing that, so I was popping in and out. And I think I had, yeah, like, I go back to the music thing because I think I really was memorizing it. almost like a song and like the accent felt like singing like notes to me in a lot of ways. Um, so yeah, but I, I, I was going in and out and that was fun.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Like it wasn't, it was, that wasn't too hard. I think it was just like the emotional journey that, that I had to go on and that show was probably the hardest part from day to day.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

It's really just, like, such a roller coaster. She's all over the place. And, you know, within a day, I was, like, you know, singing a cappella in front of a group of, like, Katy Perry and a group of people. I was, like, crying and screaming and yelling all in one day. And it was just kind of, it was just, like, just a lot to... handle and manage.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Um, but I did create a spreadsheet for, for this kind of thing. And I, and I do tend to, I've done that once before on a, on a job. Um, and it's helpful for like, cause we were jumping around in time a lot on this show and like literally in a day I'd be in, you know, uh, 2015 bell and 2011 bell and 2012 bell all in one day, um, And so I felt like I really needed to.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

And there was also like I don't know if you noticed my different teeth. Yeah. Yeah. I had different teeth. So like I was popping different fake teeth in and out. Did she.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

So the spreadsheets, first of all, I did not create that Google Doc. My sister definitely helped me. Maddie, thank you so much. I am not for some reason out of my out of my like the three of us. I have two sisters and like I have no I have no skills there. I have no skills in organization. I want to be organized and I'm organized a little bit up here.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

But in terms of like laying that down or working it on a computer, that's never going to happen.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

I can. And that's about all I can manage. That's about all I can do. But no, she helped me. We got on FaceTime while I was in Australia. I was like, I got to reel it in here. This is a lot. And so I would take it. Like, episode by episode, and, like, each scene I would write, okay, this scene is set in 2011. Okay, this scene is set in 2015. She just had her miscarriage.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Okay, and then the scene before that. Like, I would make those sort of notes, and then I would also leave, like, an open space for what I actually ended up... Because I have a plan for what I'm going to do, but sometimes that plan...

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

um changes like you know if the director or writer wants to do something different or your your your fellow you know scene partner wants to do something different so then i would write down what changes were made just so that i could keep track of where i was and where i should go you know it was just a way of like making sure i was like in control of and in control of everything yeah

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

There was ringworm bell where I had to have like ringworm all over my face for a while. I mean, it was all, I think probably like, no, I mean all of it was relatively like all like challenging. It was like each year was kind of challenging for certain reasons and different reasons. I don't know. I think,

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

jumping back, just the nature of jumping back and forth was a tiny bit difficult, but I think it was more about like, I would take it scene by scene because sometimes I really think of her as like a chameleon and kind of an actor, honestly. And she would kind of transform herself around different people. And, and so that's what I really wanted to

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

make sure I was achieving was just, yeah, just how she, how she was really a shapeshifter in many ways around different people to, to really get what she wanted.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Really? Okay, well, I mean, it definitely changes. It changes a lot. Like, I really, and I think it's important for me to... Yeah, to keep it open and to be flexible because I also think that I tend to mold to whatever the certain director likes to do, whether it's like I work with a director that doesn't like to rehearse and then I work with another director who does like to rehearse.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Did I already say does or did I say doesn't?

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

Okay, right. So I, but yeah, for Booksmart, It felt like the real sort of character work I had to do there was just like getting to know Beanie and living with her and eating pancakes with her and just making sure we were on top of our lines. Because Amy really felt very similar to me in a lot of ways. So it didn't feel like such a jump.

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

And it was really about... The main character of that story is their friendship. But yeah, for Dope Sick, that was the other project that I did do a spreadsheet for. Because again, that was jumping all over the place. I mean, yeah, man. That was really... We were doing like...

Therapuss with Jake Shane
Session 65: Kaitlyn Dever

scenes from episode eight and episode one all in one day sometimes yeah it was really and we would like switch because we'd have different directors for each episode so like after we'd like have one director before lunch and then have a different director after lunch wait what is that how it works in television sometimes you like when you're shooting like a show like that sometimes yeah sometimes it does but uh like for apple side of vinegar we had one director for the whole six episodes but yeah for something like dope sick we had like