Kail Lowry
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Morgan Bailey Is Not So-Random
Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. What's up, fuckers? I feel comfortable saying fuckers again on this episode because Morgan Bailey is on here. And for those of you who don't know who Morgan Bailey is, she rose to popularity through TikTok.
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The men, I mean. Stop messing. We were just talking about broke dick is the best dick.
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All right, Morgan, welcome to Barely Famous Podcast. Thank you. I'm so happy you're here. First, can we talk about the video that you posted on your TikTok where the truth came out about why you couldn't come on the podcast?
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Like, he had a good job. And the other moms trusted him enough to have him in their lives, in the kids' lives. Yes. So he must've been somewhat decent.
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I know, right? So sad. But you quit where you got fired because you were with him or because you were just like a bunch of things?
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Because I was shook. I was shocked, but I kind of wasn't. I wasn't shocked. Back when we had Baby Mamas No Drama and we thought you were going to come on there, what the fuck happened? They told me no. They just kept telling me no. They were like, don't, because Kale's messy. I haven't been messy for a long time, though. Like, I was messy. I am, though.
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Can you see my expressions? I have Botox. So I'm like, I don't know if you can see what I'm like.
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And then you were number six. And these are all six different women or six different children. Both. Both. Yeah, both. Oh.
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And I just feel like your situation, it wouldn't make sense for you to go on. Which podcast did they say for you to go on? They were pitching me to everybody.
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Yeah, because, like, I mean, thinking back, right, like, even right now, you're like, I don't remember. for me at least, I don't remember certain timelines, but I know exactly. Especially when you're pregnant. Yeah. And just like, I know the details of what happened, but I don't know which one came first or like which detail came out. And then people like to twist your words.
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Like, and then they get mad and it's like, well, there's look at how much is happening. And you're expecting me to remember this in chronological order.
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So he's involved in some of the kids lives, but not all of them.
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So at what point did you guys like break up? Did you guys break up or you stayed together for the entire pregnancy?
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All of her guests are a list. And I think just think it's like a different, um, like a completely different vibe. It's mainly like the music and acting industry where like we're more on the same wavelength, I feel. So it just didn't make sense to like,
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And then he leaves. Yeah. He just disappears. or you guys like broke up and then he leaves.
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Because now that you're saying that, I vaguely feel like, you knew who the, who the dad was, but he like disappeared kind of thing, but you were talking to him, but that was like sort of the joke of the story. It was just a joke. Exactly. But people really held on to that.
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sure maybe i was messy but you've been messy so you became famous on tiktok from posting gianna and telling you didn't originally talk about random man from atlanta right does he have a real name do we ever say his real name he does okay
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Like that, it's just typical. So, so at what point did he then get on social media? Cause I vaguely remember him like, And everyone freaked out because he got on social media.
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And it's not... See, I... Looking back, it's like... You're better than me because I exposed my baby dad when he was not claiming me and was acting like he didn't have someone... Not he was not claiming you. Oh, my goodness. Literally hid it from his family. And at seven months, I was like, this is my baby father. And that was my biggest mistake.
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I should have pulled a Morgan, but this was before you...
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Every word. Oh, my goodness. And I was a little nervous because I'm like, I don't I didn't know how much you were willing to talk about it. But I do see how much people twist every single thing that you say.
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And it's hard because you want to tell your story, but then you also are going to get bashed for all of it. And you're like, but I wasn't lying, but the timeline might've been off, but I'm trying to tell my story so that you guys can, so it's digestible for you. Because that's the other thing is like, you are human beings.
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No, seriously. Because if he was there, he would let people know.
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I mean, I wish I was a content creator, but I just, I'm not like you. I don't know. I wish I had voices and could be animated, but I just get thrilled for it.
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No, I only ask you because that's something that picking up traits from other people is an ADHD thing to do. I might. I might. I don't even know.
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Because I saw when you were getting Gianna in the car, those videos, where you're like, this is what I'm wearing. I'm a 24-year-old teen mom or 23-year-old teen mom. I was saying my coochie was sweating. All the bags I was carrying. That's how you came up on my forum.
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What if someone sees you in public? and then they put it out.
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So that probably perpetuated the rumors that you guys were actually together, but you weren't.
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page and I was like this is so funny like it's so real and then I didn't even know there was Random Man from Atlanta so like I followed you but I didn't know what the hell was going on so we meet Random Man from Atlanta sort of he met us he came and joined the party girl and y'all tried to work it out I mean, yeah, you know what I'm saying?
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Because you guys fell back into it or just because of this?
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And it was just kind of like... Because I could see if he like came to visit because I'm guilty of it too, right? Like thinking that I could change their mind into...
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Wait, why? Why were they saying no to iHeartRadio? I don't know. Okay. Just to, I don't know this for sure, but this is my theory is that because people don't get paid to go on podcasts. Yeah. I think that's why, I don't know. I don't know. But like managers are not getting a cut, but I don't think that people realize how mutually beneficial podcasting can be. So like-
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i mean you're tapping into people that listen to barely famous might not know who you are so now they're gonna go look at who you are yeah and vice versa or like people who love you yeah people who love and support you might be like what podcast are they talking about and go look so it's mutually beneficial and if it's not okay fine but at the time we were if we were both messy i don't know why you wouldn't be allowed to come on a messy podcast crazy is like i remember when you dm me i was like i'm going
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You're like Snapchat, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter. Oh my God.
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Yes. Seriously. No, I'm not going to block on Cash App.
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So it's just like... Does Gianna get... He has several other kids. Six? Yeah. Seven? Yeah, seven. We don't know. No, no, no. He has seven kids, yeah. Besides Gianna? No. Including Gianna? Including Gianna, yeah. Do they all live in Atlanta? Do you live in Atlanta? No. You're in Michigan. I live everywhere. No, I'm in Detroit. I'm in Detroit. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah.
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You want her to be able to say that you did everything that you could.
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Wait, so you go to Atlanta. Did you stay in Atlanta then?
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So he is in Michigan with you now or he is? No. No. So how do you guys co-parent?
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I was just telling you off camera, off the mic that I'm having a really hard time rebranding too, right? Like I just got a package from YSL and when I got the email that I was going to get a YSL package, I almost shit myself because I was like, this is the coolest fucking thing. Tell me about your rebrand. What do you want to do? And did you drop your agencies or did they drop you?
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That's so surprising to me. Cause I feel like that was an opportunity to fully rebrand.
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I contradicted. What is the way out at that point? Because you can't, you can only control what you say and what you do. You can't control what he says and he does. So then what?
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It's whatever he says. He says. Did you read that book?
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Not yet. But Mel Robbins, shout out, because everyone is talking about that book. So I need to read it. Read that book. And don't read it unless you're ready to change your life. Well, that's the thing. That is the biggest thing for me is like we can say it until we're blue in the face that we want to make changes.
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But until you're actually in the mindset of you're going to change, it's not going to work. I took Gigi offline. I was going to ask you about that.
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You don't want to make it your whole like people know your mom. And if she pops up in content here and there, it's different than making her the main focus. Exactly. And I think that's fair.
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I have literally turned a brand down because they came back after a long time, and I was like – Where was this when I was actively pursuing it?
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No. And that's what I, I guess I'm not understanding that whole part of it because I don't feel, but maybe because we both came from like messy worlds. Like, yeah. I don't look at you and think messy. I understand your story maybe because I experienced something sort of similar. So I don't look at you and think messy at all.
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But how do you come back from that? Because I also understand that, too, is, like, once you tell your story enough or, you know, now you're on the podcast telling your story again, like, then what?
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I know some of you guys are not on TikTok, but she was doing her outfits of the day and like, you know, 24 year old teen mom. It was, you know, she had some comedy and she would refer to her daughter's dad as Random Man from Atlanta. She gained a lot of popularity on TikTok.
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No. Wait. Okay. Because I immediately joined the creator fund. Really? Did you? Yeah. I didn't. I didn't.
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No, my minute videos don't perform as well as, like, my quick content.
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I love the rebrand. Okay, we're figuring her out. So who are your favorite content creators? Do you have any? I have rapid fire questions too.
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she met them but you know and they talk on facetime like you all that so it's like you know but she's two so and what was the reaction for his other kids moms they are they upset with i saw some stuff where like some of the moms were coming forward but what
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You know what I'm saying? So I follow a lot of people. Before the TikTok ban, did you expose any of your own secrets? No, I didn't have no secrets. You're like, I already told my story.
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I threw out my quesadillas. I did, though. I threw out my quesadillas.
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I love that for you. Okay. Rapid fire. Guilty pleasure.
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I'm just random. Okay. If you weren't in content creation, what would you be doing? Mortgages? No. No. HR? No. I would be doing content creation. So if there's a will, there's a way. If there's a will, there's a way, honestly. What's one thing on your bucket list that you haven't done yet?
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Oh, like the personal pan. We used to get those for reading when we were in elementary school.
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Yeah, it's fine. Just put it on the defrost or whatever. No, seriously.
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That's fair. And I think that's good. Celebrity crush? Do you have a celebrity crush? I'm like, who's a celebrity? Saquon Barkley, maybe? I don't know. You don't know who Saquon Barkley is?
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Last one is, what is your signature scent? Do you have a favorite perfume that you wear all the time?
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I love them. I thought you hated it because it was Kylie. I was really upset because I saw on TikTok this morning, it was like Kim Kardashian was shooting her shot to Luka. He's an NBA player that just got traded to the Lakers. And she was like, I'm going to learn Slovenian for –
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she wants to learn sylvania because that's where he's from and he was like no please don't he like responded that back to her and i was like honestly how are you gonna do kim kardashian like that because you could have been the next model for skims i love the kardashians you know what i mean i do too and i get so much hate for them for that but i love them and i don't really care yeah it's like they are literally the blueprint how could you hate them but that's why i don't really admit that i love the kylie jenner perfume but i do love it
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said person as like inspiration, not jealous. They're different. But I feel like you do get jealous to the point where it pushes you to do more. But that's what I'm saying. I think it's more like, because I'm also, I don't get jealous of people. I look at it as like, I want to be there. How do I get there?
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Not like, why do they have it and I don't? Do you know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. It's like, okay, if they can do it, so can I. But then sometimes it's a little more far-fetched for me.
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So yeah, it is what it is. Oh, so wait, you did a video this morning on your TikTok flashing your bank account and people are freaking out. What is the video? Did you make that much money? Oh. What was the amount? It was like 900,000? It was 900,000, yeah. Love that for you. It's just a Google screenshot.
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This is your golden year because 2025 turning 25. So the rebrand is this year. It is. And I'm ready for you.
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Well, thank you for coming on Barely Famous. I love that.
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Wow. So you have your own variation of my hot neighbor story. What is my hot neighbor story? So Elijah is, he's the father of my last three.
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He was my neighbor. He owns the house in front. Like we share a driveway. Wow. Okay. So we both have hot neighbors. I mean, well, I don't know if he's hot, but had. Okay. Well, you have. Love that for you. Like, okay. I had. Okay. Yeah. So you meet, and then you go back to Detroit? So, girl. Did he know you were pregnant?
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And so it's a really fun interview about, you know, how she was sharing her story on TikTok, how she grew her following, and then what ultimately happened after she gained a massive following on TikTok. and how people have become so invested in her story. She didn't have to go on Teen Mom for 13 years to get the following that I have.
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I'm like, wait, because did you know, hold on, because did you know about the other kids when you got pregnant?
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So he walks into the apartment complex, like where y'all lived with a baby carrier and didn't think you'd find out. No, but it wasn't.
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So I think that's a really interesting spin on how we consume media and how we consume social media in general. It's like, you don't have to be on TV now to gain these massive followings. And so people really loved how authentic she was. But then I do think some of her following started to turn on her.
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So it was another baby. Not the original two that he had showed you. So it was essentially like a fourth child.
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And she does share some insight on how that all happened, how it transpired, and what a rebrand would look like for Morgan Bailey today. And I think that's really cool. I do wish her the best with the rebrand because I know how hard it can be, but I think she can do it. I think she'll pull it off and go follow her on socials and to understand her full content.
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Coming Together As A United Front
Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. All right, welcome back to another episode of Barely Famous Podcast. We have a guest that you guys know and love, Javi Marroquin. Welcome to Barely Famous again. Thanks. Happy to have you.
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It was nice for me too, because he wants to be a part of the crew. I think, you know, with, with being a sports parent, but because our dynamic is different with the babies and things like that, he doesn't get to go to all the stuff. And so it was nice for me to see him interact with you and Lauren and the kids. So I say all that to say that I think that
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Do people in the military react to you having been on TV?
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Spain really opened my eyes and I think that was a turning point for me and how I felt about Lauren and making sure that Lincoln's best interest is always top of mind.
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In my experience with co-parenting, with Joe, with you, with Chris, I definitely... And I don't want to speak for all kids. I just want to speak for my situations. I have noticed that when you and I are on the outs, Lincoln knows. We don't have to say anything. He doesn't have to hear anything, but he knows. Same for Isaac. When Joe and I aren't getting along, Isaac knows. And I think that...
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Human nature, whether the child knows they're doing it or not, subconsciously will pit them against each other to see what they can get away with. And I think that's a common theme from what I've read online, too. Like, it is common. It's not uncommon for kids to do that. But I definitely think that you and I have done a pretty good job tackling that once we see it starting to bubble up.
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And I think for the, since Spain, I've seen a change in Lincoln, like not worried. Um, he did know that I was coming to record with you today. He's like, am I in trouble? Cause he, he was like, you guys get together when I'm in trouble. And I'm like, no, we're always going to be united for you, but it's nothing you have to worry about. You're not in trouble. And he was like, oh, okay.
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So he, you know, he feels better. But, um, how do you feel? I mean, I kind of already asked you, but how do you feel today about Elijah towards Elijah? Yeah.
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Okay. I think that's fair. Where do you think we could improve as co-parents?
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And then you being in Delaware for as long as we have... sort of unheard of or what do you because I think what the stigma is or what people know about the military is that a lot of people move all the time and it's usually like a two-year rotation right like you're stationed somewhere for two years you move so on and so forth yeah my first six years were active duty and then I got out
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Are you aware of how much Lux looks up to you? Like, do you know?
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No, I've never heard that. But, I mean, he looks up to you a lot. So I was... I was a little nervous about Lux playing for you because I've only ever seen you coach Lincoln. And Eli and Lux love each other. They get along. They always have. So even when things were rocky, it would be a little bit awkward at games and stuff because they would be playing and none of us wanted to talk to each other.
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And so it was... And I don't know if Spain was the reason, but I felt...
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more comfortable with um you know Lux being on the same team as Eli and you know playing for you and now they're on another team um playing together and I feel I feel pretty good about it and I think that we can you know keep those boundaries in place while they get to be kids on the same soccer team yeah do you feel the same yeah yeah I mean the past team it kind of took me back to like the MLT days where like everything was just kind of clashed and it was like
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Okay. I mean, maybe it's for the best. You guys know what's in the best interest of Eli, so I won't even go there.
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That all being said, your time in Delaware has come to an end. And so you're moving out of Delaware this summer. What does that look like for you? And what was the decision making process there? Like, how did you decide where you're going, when you're going, etc. ?
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Yeah. So you're going to continue recruiting, I'm assuming.
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Knowing that there could be an even closer base at that time. Like you picked Virginia, but like you didn't want to risk whether it was a closer one or one that's even further away. Right. Like if say when you're when you're three years came up, you could have been like, well, you're going to be closer because.
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Was this decision... influenced at all by creating more distance between you and me or Elijah and myself and you and Lauren?
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No, no, for sure. And I don't want to dismiss that you're good at your job. I just didn't know if the thought process behind leaving earlier than, you know, your three-year mark was, okay, this would create distance between the families, basically.
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Right. Because, I mean, you add a plane ride in there. I mean, that would create a whole new situation if you would have won.
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So when you let me know that you were going to Virginia, we sort of, I don't want to say went at it because I don't think we argued about it, but it was definitely... No, we went at it. Did we?
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So you went from full-time to part-time to full-time again?
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Um, I don't think it could have gone any other way. Like, I don't think that there, yes, we went at it, but I don't think that there was going to be an easier conversation. Like there was no way to make it any easier. So we, we disagreed. Um, I think on several occasions about what was gonna happen. And so.
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But you've worked pretty much every job you possibly can in Delaware. So now, what did they do? They came to you and they were like, it's time for you to go? Or how does that, what does that look like?
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I also felt that way. I felt like... given his age, because we started having this conversation when he was 10. So my thought process was... okay, this will be an entirely different conversation at 10 and 13. So my thought was, okay, if he goes, he gets stationed somewhere, Lincoln stays with me. And at 13, we would basically reevaluate the situation.
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And if he said, I want to go live with my dad, I just think it would be a different conversation. So that's sort of where we basically were thinking the same thing, in my opinion. And so, and I think that both of us are valid in our feelings. I think both of our points are valid. I think that, and I agree with you that I mean, Lincoln has only ever known 50-50.
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This has always been, and if you ever wanted a week on my time, I'd give it to you and vice versa. So we've always worked together in that way. And so when you're going to court for relocation and you have two parents that are always doing what's in the best interest of their children. And we don't really like co-parenting for us. I feel like, I don't want to say it's been easy.
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That's I don't because it hasn't been easy, but we always put Lincoln first. So when you have two parents that are both doing their very best, it's so hard. And I just, I couldn't imagine putting that in a judge's hands. Like I couldn't. So when we, we were in Disney, Elijah and I took the kids to Disney. And when we had our
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I guess it was like a case review or like a pretrial, you and me, with the judge. And the judge was just like... He was brutal.
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I did not want you to tell him when you told him. And I thought that we were on the same page about telling him at the same, like we were going to be together when we told him. So when you told it, you were like, you emailed me and you were like, I'm telling him. I was really upset by that. Um,
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Because we are so good, I just felt like if we were united about it, whatever that looked like, it would have just set a better example. Because I think at that point, he thought that we were kind of going against each other. And I didn't know if he knew how to feel about it. And I didn't want him to feel like, oh, when I'm at my dad's, I want to tell my dad.
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I think he wants to hear that I want to go with him. But then when I'm at my mom's, I think she wants to hear that I want to stay with her. And so that's what I was afraid of. I'll be honest with you. I think that is what set the judge off that you told him.
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I... Didn't want to get his opinion on it at his age, even 11, because I do think that because he was breaking down to me, you know, and not to put all of Lincoln's business out there, but he was breaking down to me about wanting to stay. And then and then towards like closer to now, not right now, but closer to now, it's. I think he's torn because we're back to being okay.
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Like you and I are getting along, we're co-parenting, everyone's copacetic.
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I think that closer to now, because we haven't talked about it in a long time, I think that he's, it maybe hasn't sunk in for him. Like he doesn't realize what's about to happen. But my apprehension about telling him at his age was that it was going to weigh in on him the way that it did, right? Like it played out exactly how I thought it would.
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So even if a recruiter does a good job in the area they're at, they still have to move? Yes. Why?
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Which was that he was going to cry to you and also cry to me about staying and leaving. He's never had to make a choice, right? Like, he's never had to choose between parents. And that was sort of, I think, what the judge was getting at was, like, we're putting adult decisions on him so young, right? Like, it wasn't like asking a 13-year-old who's about to go to high school.
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It was asking, you know, a fourth, fifth grader how... what they want. And I just think at that point, maybe we could have gone to him and say, hey, this is what we're doing and not really given him the choice. Because if he feels like the choice is up to him, he knows that he's going to disappoint one of us by not saying what one of us wants to hear. Does that make sense? Am I making sense?
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I do think that if it went to trial, it would have been a lot harder for the judge to decide once he sees, okay, both of these parents are perfectly fine. They're perfectly capable. They're
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financially sound they're emotionally there they're physically you know what i mean i think that it would have been a very hard decision for him to make so i think and i don't want to speak for the judge because i don't know him but being that you were the one to move and it it's sort of the closest option i think if i had to guess maybe that's why he was thinking that way like okay you're moving it's close it's within driving distance we can make this work
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Okay. So what was actually got, we talked, I think last year at this point, or I guess it would have been the year before. I don't really remember. And we talked and you were like, Hey, like I, I think it's about to be that time where we're going to have to move.
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Well, for me, yeah, I think it makes sense. I understand what you're saying. But I think for me, it's you guys have never lived there. Don't know if you're going to like it. If there is a possibility for you to leave at any point after you get there and you're like, we hate it here. What if you guys decide that you're going to come back? That's like my not that I wish on your downfall.
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And Lauren, please don't take it that way. I'm talking to both of you is like. I don't wish on your downfall, but like in a perfect world, I want Lincoln to have 50-50 until he graduates high school. Right. Like that for me, it's like, OK, what if you guys go and you hate it? And I'm never going to say that to Lincoln.
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But, you know, and second to that is, you know, I do think it's a different conversation when he's a little bit older. That is sort of where I'm at. And we talked about how he's in the same school this year and he'll be in the same school next year. At the point that he's done with school in sixth grade and transitioning anyway, I think it makes more sense.
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And I also think that I do understand that a father's presence in a boy's life or a young man's life is very important. But I also think that there is a very... small window for some mother son relationships to sort of develop a little bit.
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And I had said that depending on where you went, that I would attempt to try to go as well because I couldn't picture, um, a life for Lincoln. any other way than 50, 50. So at that time, I didn't know if I thought it was real or if it was like, Oh, you guys have decided that you want to move. I didn't really know what that looked like. And then you and I didn't talk about it again for a long time.
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And so I, my hope is that I will have, you know, if he decides at the end of next year that he wants to go with you, I, I will feel confident in our insecure, that our relationship is secure no matter what. And so then when he leaves to go with you, like it's not going to change anything between us. And so I think that one extra year, um,
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for me and him will be beneficial to not just me, but to him. And, and I know that you guys have your, your bond and you guys bond over sports and you know, I know Lauren's into sports and things like that. And so I just think the transition period in everyone's lives a year from now makes more sense. Yeah, absolutely.
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at the point that I knew that you were moving and I'm not going to have 50 50, I also don't have 50 50 with Lux and Crete either. So this sort of opened my eyes to, I have to scale back my travel. So there's no other option.
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And I try to do it when I, you know, if there's a three day weekend and I know that the kids are going to be with you or with Chris or, you know, whatever that looks like, that's when I try to do my three day. Obviously it's not always going to pan out that way, but I try to make sure that I'm in and I'm out. I'm not flying. I'm not getting on planes. I'm not touring.
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I canceled all my tour dates for the first six months of the year. I, this opened my eyes because I said, okay, well at the end of the day, my relationship with my son comes first and And co-parenting with you has to come second in a circumstance like this. So, you know, I say all that to say that we both have to do what we have to do for our careers.
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And I don't think that either one of us can expect the other one to, you know, just get out of the military or just stop traveling altogether. Right. Because at the end of the day, we have to have these finances in order to be able to put Lincoln first and to be able to come together to do all of this stuff. So.
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I mean, I don't want to say that I'm hopeful that you guys aren't going to like it, but I just, maybe there's a chance you'll come back.
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So I just sort of put it in the back of my mind and never thought about it again. Um, so fast forward to, you know, you, you have two more kids, you're with Lauren and 2024. I mean, for people who have watched Teen Mom, they know that the dynamics between myself and Javi and myself and Lauren and Javi have been a little rocky, I would say.
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If there was, would you come back? Would you consider it?
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I don't know about that. Because, I mean, even Isaac, who I would... For a short while there, he wanted to be with me full time, right? But he flat out told me that even though he wants to be with me full time, he's never going to not go to his dad's. Like he doesn't ever want to do that to his dad, right?
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So, I mean, it's possible that he, maybe it's not exactly 50-50, but at the point that he's driving and he's able to go back and forth kind of as he sees fit.
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What would you do if I emailed you guys tomorrow and said, I'm filing to relocate to Virginia? Ugh.
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No, I'm saying how would you feel about it? How would you feel if I said... Because I feel like there has to be some excitement about just getting away from the situation and, you know, not crossing paths ever, right? So... Would you, how would you feel about that? Would you be okay with it for Lincoln or would you be like, oh no, that's too close for comfort?
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For Lincoln? Yeah. And I told my lawyer this, and she was not really thrilled about it, but I was like, I cannot imagine a world without 50-50 for Lincoln. That is where I'm coming from. I already don't have 50-50 with Lux and Creed, right? Elijah was already stationed where you're going. He was already there.
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So to me, I was like, okay, well, is it a far stretch for me to say, okay, well then, and Chris doesn't live in Delaware. So he's already out of the state. So my thought was, okay, could I make it work where I... relocate to Virginia so that Lincoln still, I can't imagine one, my household without him and two, him not having 50-50. So that was sort of my thought process.
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And my attorney was like, that is not realistic for you. But that's where my mind went for Lincoln because why not? That's sort of where I was at. I mean, now I know based on how the judge reacted, it's not going to go well for me either. If I tried to, no matter where it was, Virginia, New Jersey, no matter what, I think the judge would be like, you've lost your mind.
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But I would be lying to you if I didn't say, well, that absolutely crossed my mind just so that Lincoln could have 50-50. It's not like I have 50-50 with all of them. Do you know, do you get what I'm saying? Like where I'm coming from on this?
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And, you know, fast forward to 2024, we go to Spain for the kids to play soccer. And I felt like that was a little bit of a turning point for the relationship as parents. Would you agree with that?
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I didn't know what was going to happen. Truly. I didn't know that you felt backed into a corner. I think when we saw all the dates on paper and looking at school year versus summer and holidays and three day weekends, it became so real to me. And I don't think that there was, I don't think it could have gone better, but I also don't, I think it could have been significantly worse.
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But you didn't give me the decision that day. You didn't tell your, you didn't give us a decision that day. You said you were going to go think about it. And so at that point I was like, oh, we're going to trial.
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Yeah, I did. But I think the deciding factor for the summer versus school year, which is what I was about to say anyways, is that I have 50-50 summers. If I got summers and you got school year, out of the 12 weeks in the summertime, he would only see Lux and Creed six weeks out of the entire year because I give the holidays to Joe and Chris. So spring break...
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Um, fall break, if there is one and Christmas break, I'll go to Chris and Joe. So I'm not, even if I got Lincoln on those weeks, the brothers and his brothers wouldn't be there. So me fighting for Lincoln during the school year was so that he could still continue to have that relationship with his brothers for right now. And I think, you know, for,
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The time being, I think it's crucial for him not saying that Eli is not important because he absolutely is. But I know that, you know, Lux and Lincoln have a bond as well. And he's they're closer in age. And so if you remove Lincoln from the school year and he was only here in the summer, he's only having them. He's only going to be around them for six years. six weeks out of the entire year.
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So that was a point to consider. If Lincoln goes with you for the summertime, he has the entire summer with Eli and Maisie. And I do, I do understand the point that like, as he gets older and puberty and friends and, you know, driving, and I know that you don't, I've tried to bring it up to you before, but like, that's going to come quick. Right.
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So to me, I was just trying to, you know, soak up these last like year, maybe two of that, like of, of developing our relationship, the security in our relationships, bonding with the brothers, because I do think that there is a very high chance, if not an almost certain chance that he will decide to go with you next year.
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And so just making sure that everything is, you know, he has that extra time with his brothers for one last school year.
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So me getting the school year is not a win. And I know that you might view it differently, but it's not a win. It's not a win for either of us, and it's not a win for the siblings, and it's not a win for Lincoln.
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I don't have a choice. We're all here because of you. So, and that's, I think too, like thinking about, and not that I am here to speak for Joe and his family or even V and her family, but like, I think us coming to Delaware has spider webbed into something so much bigger that none of us can control. Right. And like,
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Before we get to the reason why you came on Barely Famous today, I want to start at the beginning. with our story and then also how, you know, Lauren got involved, how Elijah is here turning points in our dynamic. And then we'll get into, you know, I hate to call it an announcement because I don't think that's what it is, but the reason you're here. So
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I don't make my day-to-day decisions off you and Lauren, and I don't make my day-to-day decisions off of Joe and V, and vice versa. I can't expect you guys to make your decisions off of us, but I think that there is something to be said about what we have created. And that is the spider web. So if you pull on the spider web on one side, that entire spider web is having a ripple effect, right?
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Because Joe moved here. His mom moved here. V moved here for Joe. V's sister just moved here. So there is so many layers to this. And I think it's nobody's fault, right? It's just the circumstances of life and the phases of life that we're going through is like, in order to progress in your career, you have to move. But it sucks because the rest of us don't have the option to relocate.
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So it's like you get to relocate and you are excited to leave. I would have left a long time ago if it was up to me because my career could soar in Atlanta, Texas, California, New York. Like my career could have flourished, but I don't have a choice. You get the choice of leaving and we don't. So that's sort of where it's tricky because I hear you when you say you want to get Lincoln out of here.
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Lauren and I were able to be in the same place at the same time and have a conversation and be there for the kids without any outside opinions, conversations, anything like that. And then you got to spend time maybe unintentionally with Elijah, which actually worked out. I feel like to benefit the kids, I got really sick.
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But at the same time, Lincoln doesn't know any different. He was born here. He's been raised here.
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But I don't think that they ever thought that it was a possibility that we would, like, say you and I stayed married. I don't think that anyone thought, I mean, your parents moved here, your sister moved here, your brother moved closer. Military is a different story, but... I honestly don't think that it ever crossed their mind that you could be stationed again somewhere else.
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I don't want it to come across as, like, me blaming you. What I'm saying is that you and I know that we both...
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would have moved out of delaware right but the circumstances didn't allow it now the circumstances have allowed you to move but the rest of us can't like we literally can't right because i know after after talking to the judge when we went to our pre-trial i understand now that i have zero slim slim to none chances of being able to move out of delaware yeah and so that just knowing how much better life would be outside of delaware and that that's what i wanted to give lincoln
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But now you have the opportunity for this next year to test it out with Eli.
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Silver linings. In terms of co-parenting, do you think that you, Lauren, myself, and Elijah are solid enough to be doing this? We don't have a choice, but do you think that we're solid enough to do what we need to do for Lincoln over state lines? All right, you guys, thank you so much for tuning in to part one.
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Part two is dropping on Tuesday and I'm super excited for you guys to hear who else is on part two. If you could please respect and give us some grace during this time and also just be kind in the comments, the feedback. We're real people with real feelings. We're trying to come together the best we can for our son and to raise our family peacefully.
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So if we could just keep the comments respectful, that would be super great. And we'll see you on Tuesday.
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I had strep throat and you, Lauren and Elijah took the kids outside to go play soccer. And I saw y'all from my hotel room. Like I looked down at the field and you guys were all playing. And I thought that was really cool because, I guess I just never, I didn't know what to expect for Spain in general. And then I also didn't know what to expect with everyone in such close proximity.
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And then that glass of wine progressed into me becoming a unicorn for them. Yes.
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So I think it really ended up being pretty cool. Right? Like you and Elijah got along.
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I think you spent more time with Elijah than I did. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And how did you feel about Lorne and I getting along in Spain?
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So when we got back from Spain, for anyone who's listening and doesn't know, I was having a conversation and I had said something on the podcast. I also thought that I was speaking so vaguely that I didn't think that people would know what I was talking about. And so in some ways for me to say it in the first place, I thought, okay, nobody will know.
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I literally, and I'm not ashamed to admit that I literally left you a voicemail sobbing because I was so upset over it. And I don't know if Lauren ever heard it or if y'all ever listened to it, but like, I was truly sobbing, so upset beside myself. And I remember calling the producers of the show and I was like, you know, we made so much progress. Like, how could I let this happen?
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So I still stand by that. Like I, to this day, I mean, Lauren's here, you're here and I'm sorry. Like I'm telling you to your face because I just, I was kicking myself for it because I shouldn't, It's hard because when people tell me to get a real job and they say this, that, and the third, I'm like, well, I have been paid to talk about my life for 15 years now.
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And so that adds a very complicated layer for me and I have to tread lightly. And so in order to engage in conversations on my podcast, whether it be with Lindsay or Becky or whoever, it is very hard for me. So I try to make them vague and then I forget that people that are in my life and in the situation know that it's about them. Does that make sense? I'm not justifying it by any means.
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I'm just trying to explain for the listeners or anyone to understand where hobby is coming from because I do think that it's fair for you to have those feelings. We made progress and I was the reason why we took a step back from that progress. I would agree with you when you say it's a little... Did you say it was complicated or mixed emotions?
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I think that's fair. I mean, I didn't know the Wawa jokes were like... I don't ever think of them just in terms of you. I mean, I wrote about Wawa. This is fucked up. I wrote about Wawa in my first book in 2014 about something that occurred there. And then I also talked to my podcast about something that happened with Wawa. So like for me, it's more than that.
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Okay. And then from there, you got stationed in Delaware.
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It's just like just the fact that people associate me with Wawa. It's never directed at you like it never has been, at least on my end. you'll be glad to know that Wawa is out officially and Royal Farms is in. So we are, we are very much going to be downplaying all the Wawa stuff. So that's out.
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So if that's any consolation to you and I don't want to disrespect you in any way, and I want this to be, especially with the things that are about to happen, I definitely want to respect you and respect that. So now that I know that I'm not going to participate in Wawa jokes and you have my word on that. And so does Lauren. And so does everyone in this room.
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You know, those like crazy 3 a.m. your mind is racing kind of questions. Aside from Spain and the Wawa conversation. Right. And feeling mixed emotions. Right. How do you think that we have done both you and me, but then also Lauren and Elijah have done collectively as co-parents for the last year or two?
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Yeah, no, for sure. And I understand that. But there are people who think that you don't work.
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Yeah, I mean, it felt good knowing that I didn't have anything to worry about. And not that I really ever did. I think it was always like we were really young when you and I were married and divorced. We were very young. And I think that we you and I don't get a lot, a lot of grace for that. Like, I think that people still want to hold our past against us.
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And, you know, people want to remember us how we used to be and not now. And I think that you know, seeing it all firsthand, you and Lauren together with the kids and, you know, you guys have welcomed Lux in, you know, to go to the amusement park and stuff or stay at the amusement park.
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It was really nice for me because at one point you texted in a group chat and was like, Oh God, what I say, what are you about to say? No, it was with Elijah.
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And you said something along the lines... Like, I didn't know Elijah could run like that or something or play soccer like that. Like, I think it surprised you. And so it was just... It was nice that... Because I was sick, so I couldn't even be down there. And so it was just... Oh, in Madrid.
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Do you react to comments like that, or do you just kind of let it roll off?
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Just to be clear. We're talking about Spain. And so you said you didn't know Elijah could play like that. And I don't know. It felt good for me too because our dynamic is so different than... you know, what our dynamic used to be. And so Elijah getting involved with the kids that way and playing out on the soccer field with you guys, I think Lauren was out there.
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Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. All right, Kate and Ty, welcome to the Barely Famous Podcast. Hi. Thanks for having us. I should say, Kate and Ty break it down. Welcome to the Barely Famous Podcast.
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Yeah. Was Carly present? Yes. So your therapist would have suggested for you to say that in front of Carly?
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This always comes from the people who are enabling the addict or the alcoholic.
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Because I always have, people always have words for me, the ones that are enabling my mom.
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didn't get to air on T-Mom, you'll be able to say, or maybe something that someone else says will trigger something that happened with you guys, right? Oh, yeah. I think that's like, trigger a memory, I mean, not trigger you.
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Yeah. No, I respect that. I think just knowing your boundaries is, you know, the best thing you can do for yourself and for your kids.
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We're easily triggered. No. I mean, I am, but... No, no. Neither here nor there.
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Well, because... So acknowledging that would require them to have some level of self-awareness that they clearly didn't or don't have. I mean, I don't know them, so I don't want to speak to them right now, but maybe at that time they didn't have that level of self-awareness and that would cause, they would have to look at themselves.
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But it was way easier for them to place a blame on you.
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Well, I also think that, I mean, you can apologize until you're blue in the face until you make those changes and your actions are the apology. It doesn't, it's sort of a moot point.
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So when you guys are going through everything that you're going through now with... you know, Carly's adoptive parents, what does that do with your relation to your relationship with your parents? Like, does Butch have anything to do with, like, do you ever talk to him about it?
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Well, I think humans are like creatures of habit. Right. And so sometimes chasing the chaos or that fear of the unknown becomes the pattern. And that's sort of what we're used to. And so anything normal or calm or constant sort of feels foreign. And you're like, wait a minute.
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What was your childhood like? I know your mom was an alcoholic, but what is the relationship with your dad?
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So you have other siblings? Yeah. So you have a brother from your mom? You have five. You have five siblings?
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Was she also traumatized by her mom? Very much so. So that... Okay, you know how people say, oh, like... You talk about trauma and they call it trauma bonding, but that's like not actually trauma bonding. Trauma bonding is when you go through the trauma together. Right. That whole thing. Do you think that that's sort of why you guys bonded the way that you did?
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Like you didn't get to live with your dad full time and she did. Yeah.
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Uh-huh. So you're not in every... No. You guys might not be in every episode.
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I'm just sort of – Floored? Sorry. I threw all that on you. By the way. I'm just thinking about how addiction has impacted all three of us and none of us have went down that road. Thank God. Isn't that so interesting though? Like I don't know – I know addicts who came from really, really wealthy, well-to-do families. And they're struggling on the streets right now. And then we came from very –
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tumultuous yes families and childhoods and we did not go down that path and I wonder what that was what what the difference is and I think it's and I think it's sad because you're like you know I didn't go down that path my stepsister didn't go down that path um
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So you've experienced addiction, your parent, your sibling and your husband's family of your siblings.
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But what else are you going to... You are undoing years.
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Yeah. I mean, we're talking like over a decade worth of trauma from addiction and everything else. So it's going to take just as long or longer to undo that and unpack that and digest that.
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All you do is talk about your trauma. Like how else? That's what people say.
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Right. And so it was like, we very much could talk to each other and relate to each other. Then y'all were trauma bonded by the adoption process.
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That's it, right? Cheyenne. Oh, Jade. Shit. There's nine people on the show. Wow.
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We need to talk. Time out. We have to talk about this. It's ketamine, right?
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Yes. Tell me about this because I thought ketamine was like the zombie drug.
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No, he freaked me out the first time when he said he was going to do it. I was like, horse tranquilizer? I'm like, you're going to do horse tranquilizer. Do people get high off that? People can, yeah, on the street. Oh, yeah.
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But is it like fentanyl where there's like a medical use for it and then a street use for it?
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So I'm thinking that you were like using the street drug to medicate yourself. And I was like, I don't know if we should go down that path.
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Did you talk to Becky about this? Because she used to microdose.
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Okay, yes, okay. So you guys should talk about that another time. So is it like that?
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I'm in a zero gravity chair, mindful music. Do you feel different or is it just sort of like subconscious changes?
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Wait, you weren't there? No. Because you just got fucked up. Medically. Professionally.
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Well, so I always, always, always related to you guys specifically on the addiction stuff because I felt like when your season of 16 and Pregnant aired, like the very first one episode shows, you guys were the only ones that really sort of shared the same thing.
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Like when you get high, like when you smoke, have you ever smoked weed? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I just wasn't sure. Um, like when I would get high, I would be like, can this go away? Like I'm tired now. Like I'm over it.
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But does that scare you? Did it ever scare you and like make you want to keep using that stuff? That type of drug?
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What is going on? What the fuck is LSD? Is that the thing you put on your tongue? It's acid.
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No, no, no. Because there's so many. We have a lot to unpack here.
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Start one by one. We're going to go back to the ketamine. Okay. But first I need to know where you were and why you tried LSD.
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And he was like, here, I have LSD. And you were like, okay.
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background I guess as me with I don't whose parent your dad was an addict right and your mom my mom too so I felt like you were the only ones that I really resonated with in that way I don't think that there are a lot of um cast members on the show as as a whole like in the franchise I really struggled with that and so I feel like I always resonated with your story because of that
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I need to go to sleep. That's how I am with weed. Like, I cannot get fucked up because it just let me get it. Just stop. Just make it stop. But the problem is, is that you cannot sleep.
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So you hated it. You loved it. And you were like, I'm definitely microdosing on ketamine.
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Everyone told me to ask you about it because I talked about ketamine on my podcast because I had no idea what the fuck it was. and I didn't know what it was. So now we can talk about ketamine. Okay, so you go into this environment where it's controlled. There's professional. You are strapped in. There's music.
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How many times did you have to do that to get to where you are now?
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Do you know if you said things in therapy while you were on the ketamine?
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I don't know that I want to discover the things that I don't remember.
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And so it's really interesting that we have that in common. I feel like I always resonated with your story.
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When you say abused, you mean like fit, like sexually abused. You were sexually abused.
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So do they say to continue doing it or do they say it's like sort of at your own discretion?
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For those of you guys who don't know, Kate and Ty just dropped their own podcast. Super excited. Yeah.
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Becky swears by mushrooms. Like swears by them. We weren't friends for five years. So I missed that chapter of her life. But she was telling me about how just like microdosing really, really helped. Dang, I wish I would have known that before talking to her today. Well, now you know next time you guys go. Or we could do like a swap where it's like both of us and both of you.
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We could do it in Louisiana. You guys could talk about it.
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Because I've never experienced anything with psychedelics before. I smoked weed and I hate the feeling of it. Like I just, I don't love it. It, it. I took mushrooms too and I hate it.
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Mine is more of like, I don't know how I'm being perceived.
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that's lack of control yeah yeah like i don't know what i'm like if i look stupid if i sound stupid i don't want other people to see me that way yeah so i can't i i can't um relax i guess yeah no it's anxiety oh i was diagnosed with anxiety ocd tendencies and coping yeah so when i feel like my life is out of control i clear surfaces i have to like clear countertops clean Yeah.
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I was just floored because I was like, what is happening? Because I had this fantasy in my head my entire life that my dad was like this knight in shining armor that was going to come save me when I was like whatever age he's going to come. He's going to find me and he's going to take me away from all the problems only to find out that like –
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And then I was, did I say I was diagnosed as an adult with ADHD? Oh, no, no. Yeah.
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I would have never – I don't know enough about bipolar disorder to know, but I would have never –
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But look at everything that you said in the past 50 minutes. Yeah. Of course you're angry sometimes because I just feel like life has not been fair to you guys, to either one of you. Yeah.
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I mean, we've literally now, but yeah, well, yeah, now, but I feel like, but just because you have blessings now should not discredit all of the trauma and all of the really shitty experiences you've had as a child.
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What was your mom like growing up? Was she sort of always a support system for you?
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He has a lot of problems too, right? Yeah, and also a lot of missing teeth. So I was just like, what's going on here?
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But not because, not by choice, but purely out of being able to provide for you guys. I watched this clip of someone recently on TikTok and it was this older woman. I'll have to find it. Don't even remember her name. I have to give credit where credit is due. But she basically said that she wasn't a good mom.
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She wasn't a nurturing mom because she had to be the sole provider of her household and as a single mom and, you know, dad wasn't in the picture. Yeah. she became, you know, she was absent, not necessarily by choice, but by default. And she couldn't be the nurturing parent. She had to be the sole provider.
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And I just think that for sort of all of our situations in some way or another, whether they're in a an addict or not, all of our, one of our parents has all like your mom, your mom to some degree was a provider for you. And my mom, you know, she, she struggled a lot with her, her own addictions and her alcoholism, but she also had to be this whole provider because they didn't have a dad.
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So the times that I lived with her, she couldn't have been present if she wanted to be.
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See, I don't have that. I don't share that same experience. I hold so much resentment for my mom. But when other people like you guys tell me about your experience with addiction, I have more empathy for people that have addiction that are not directly impacting my life.
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Yeah. Because like when I talked to Macy about Ryan and I have so much empathy for him and I have so much empathy for Butch and for your mom, because it doesn't directly impact me. But my mom, she was supposed to be the provider for me. She was supposed to be the nurturer. She was supposed to be my safety. So like, I don't have that same empathy for her.
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And I think too, because I become a mom and I'm so involved in my kids, it makes me very angry and very resentful.
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I asked Lux the other day. I was talking to him about my mom and he goes, where's your mom in hell? Cause he like, I was like, she's dead to me. And she, he was like, yeah, inhale. Wow.
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It's like my anger is seeping down into my kids without even realizing and recognizing.
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All the time. Yeah. So when Macy was like, go to Al-Anon and she was like telling me about it, I was like, okay, well, luck saying what he said and now this, I guess I'll go.
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They do online ones too. That's what she said. She's like, you don't have to put your mic on. You don't have to put your camera on. You can literally just show up and listen. And she said it's more for us than it is for them. And I thought that was really interesting. I also think it's interesting that like,
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Not only are we tied together by the show and like growing up on TV together, but also our ties to addiction, like it has affected all three of us and Macy to some degree. And I just think, I don't know, there's just so much power in the ties that we have.
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Yeah, we... No, right now, my small children, I'm like, I'm actually like nervous. Yeah, like terrified. Even when I... when I got my wisdom teeth out, when I've had cosmetic surgery, when I, anything, I don't take medication and I'm because I'm terrified. Right. So like even taking 800 milligrams of ibuprofen freaks me the fuck out.
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And I just think about my kids, you know, we all try drugs at some point, right? Like I tried LSD and weed. I smoked weed, you know, It scares me to think that my kids – I don't have an addictive personality, so I've never really been sort of addicted to anything. But it scares me to know that genetically speaking, it could be passed down to my kids. It freaks me out.
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It's not something that I thought of when I started having kids.
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It's only now in the last, I would say, five years where I'm really starting to think about what that looks like.
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I'm not – you know what? I'm not worried about him. I'm not even necessarily worried about Lincoln. Really? It's more the younger ones.
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Like I have struggled with depression, anxiety, things like that. My mom is diagnosed bipolar. She has addiction. So I'm, and then also on their dad's side. Okay. Alex and Creed have a history of on their dad's side as well. And so I think about the double effect, right? Like it's coming from both sides instead of just one. And so I worry about that.
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Right. Right. Same with our kids. And I know it sounds crazy, but that's why I literally put them in every single sport they ask to play. Oh, yeah. Because I'm like, if you guys are so busy getting like your dopamine hits, your – what is it? Serotonin. Serotonin. And then adrenaline.
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If you get that from other things, you won't seek it out somewhere else. You're so scared of them being bored and sort of that – taking them down the wrong path.
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There's so many questions I have surrounding addiction. Cause my mom came from a really good family and nobody else struggled with addiction. So like, how did that happen to her?
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I don't know what it is. I would need to pick Ryan's brain because I think I'm – I don't even know if I've ever met him. But like what would lead him down to the road?
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I only know what I've seen on TV or on social media and I thought that he came from a really great family. So like what could have happened to him?
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I've just never had a thought to be like, let me just try heroin.
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Now, sometimes that can happen, yes. But I'm telling you, there's trauma.
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My best friend from high school is, you'll have to look it up. It's called Kensington. It's a fucked up place by us. And that's where she's at. And I saw an interview on YouTube of someone interviewing her in Kensington. And I just think about the family that she came from and it was a really great family.
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And like, I've been to her house and like we had sleepovers and like, I just can't under, like I, she never talked about trauma. She never talked about anything ever. I never saw anything happen to her. So like, I can't, I think, understand it from that. And then I think about my mom and I'm like, I just don't understand it.
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I don't understand it. So it's really like I have a hard time with it.
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No, I want to know. Like I want to know how you got addicted. Did you get surgery and then you were on Percocet and then it just like spiraled from there?
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that may seem small to us so maybe one day so what's not trauma to me could have been trauma to them so who knows maybe one day you might find out what happened to your mom yeah but even then you're like I'm gonna go drink or it's like a gradual like I don't it could be gradual for somebody yeah but I think it's okay to admit that hey you're stronger than your mom but to be curious enough to know why your mom went that route but does she even know
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And luckily I just didn't get the addictive gene because otherwise I think I would have – I had access to all this stuff.
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And I just – I was so traumatized by how my mom was as a person when she was under the influence that I was just – repulsed me more than – I don't even know how to – and I think also just like being around people who took me in when my mom was not in her best state of mind was helpful. But I'm glad that we got to talk about it. Yeah, me too. It feels like therapy. Yeah.
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Not necessarily because he wasn't reaching out or does he not reach out? He doesn't. He doesn't.
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I was at the airport getting like live updates and I was like, how did it go? Like, I just wanted to hear, cause I couldn't be here. Yeah. And everyone was like, it was so good. They were all super excited.
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But here's the thing. We didn't ask to fucking be here. And if you traumatize me for my whole fucking life, I am going to talk about you.
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Like, I'm sorry, but you know, you don't get to dictate what you did to me and how I feel about it. Yeah.
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And what about your parents? Where, what is the relationship with your mom now?
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We will definitely tell you, but honestly, like podcasting is so fun because I feel like we just get like listeners get a longer glimpse into who you guys are as people because obviously it's a longer episode than what we get on. And
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I don't think I knew about any of this. Was this like a public situation?
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Do you think it was better to have each other during these times than to – Or was it harder on your relationship because you would see her kind of struggling with it and then it would take a toll on your relationship?
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No, but what's cool about podcasting too is that like people know who Kate and Ty are, right? People don't necessarily know who your guests are or maybe they have a smaller platform. And what's cool is that brings out new things about you guys that you're able to say because it opens the conversation more. And so maybe things that...
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Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. All right, Kylie, welcome to Barely Famous Podcast. Thank you for having me. Thank you for taking your second flight to be here. I was scared, but I came anyways. It's so crazy to me. So you flew to Houston before, and then this is your second flight ever. Yes.
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But does TikTok pay in Monopoly money? Because what else? What is it? But that's also, like you said, that's not going to make or break you. If TikTok goes away, that's just extra cash flow to you guys. But you're, you know, Colton works. Yeah. And was working before you were making TikTok.
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And there are people who did, but even still, it's like, I don't think that people, I don't think that the government, maybe they do, maybe they don't, they don't realize, or people who are not in the creator fund or on TikTok the way that we are, I don't think they understand how much TikTok contributes to the economy in terms of small businesses. And you know what I mean?
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Because of TikTok, I have extra funds to donate to the California wildfires. So I've donated thousands of dollars to those wildfire, all those foundations, the programs, the animal rescues, because I was using my TikTok money.
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So I just I did you see have you are you a fan of Spencer Pratt? Who is that? From the hills? Maybe your mom knows your mom might know. Do you know? Did you watch the hills or Laguna Beach? Spencer and Heidi are... I've seen something about them, but I don't know who they are. Okay, so they were on a show on MTV called The Hills. And I think probably... I don't know if they were on Laguna Beach.
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It might have been just The Hills. Was that Laguna Beach? Just The Hills. So they were on this MTV show called The Hills. And they were sort of like filmed as the villains. And people really loved them or hated them, but mostly hated them. And they used all of their money to...
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Or did you were like, I think I'm going to try to be a content creator. And you had a conversation with him about it.
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record Heidi's album 15 years ago and then their house burned down in the wildfires like burnt to the ground ashes the whole nine he started this whole thing on TikTok getting people to stream his wife's music to make money to be able to like get a new house or rebuild their house or whatever and the album is 15 years old and it is now number one on the charts and for album and for song and people are just all over the place with Spencer you'll have to look him up but he's so funny and
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Wait, I kind of love that, though. He spent all his money to make his wife's album. Yeah. That's sweet. Oh, and I was like, you're your wife's number one fan. Number one fan. That is so sweet. But he's not asking for monetary donations.
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Y'all already have Spotify and iTunes. Just play it. And then that helps them out. It's number one. It surpassed all the Bad Bunny's new album.
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What do you think has surprised you the most about being a social media influencer?
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Have you have, have you had friends that are not supportive of you or they're like sort of haters?
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Oh, I've had people that I considered almost best friends of mine that don't support my content or the things that I do. Oh yeah. And that's,
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My sixth grade bully messaged me. Yeah. I don't know if you remember me. And I said, yeah, I remember when you bullied me. That was my response. Yeah, that's how they are. You don't get to come back and tell me, oh, hey, I hope you're doing well. Fuck you. Yeah, basically. You're going to get left on read.
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Wait, when I was 19, I had this bully who went to school with my ex and she messaged me like five years later asking me to sign up for her MLM like situation like the. direct sales. And I was just like, are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Did you text her back? I don't even remember what the response was to that. I think I either just left her on read or I was like, no, thank you.
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I wouldn't even say no, thank you. I just sort of blocked her. Do you ever get accused of being a sellout? No, not really, I don't think. I feel like I haven't seen too much hate. You don't get a whole lot of hate, which is amazing.
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Wait, what color is yours? Gray. Mine too. I bought it thinking it was black because I did the whole thing over the phone and like online because it was like last minute. Did you get the XL or the regular? Just the regular. Okay, I got the Denali. I got it literally the day before I got surgery. I didn't get to drive it for two fucking weeks.
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but i love it brand new oh brand new yeah and i'm getting um elijah texted me and was like what kind of tints are you do you want because he's gonna get tinted out tint it for me tomorrow um but i love it i went from suburban to yukon and i like it i know i love so good i do but see tiktok is doing major things i know i think so and like landry needs to drive in a night like he needs to be in a nice car i mean yeah he will be regardless of what happens to tiktok do you feel like tiktok has made you out of touch at all
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The county is the one that's like 22,000 in the county.
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Okay, so we're both small town. I don't feel like I give small town vibes, but I think it's because, I don't know, I just don't get it. People told me that 4,000 was not small.
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The college I went to, I think, had more people than that, though.
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Yeah. Our Red Robin just closed, unfortunately.
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What is that? It's, like, a chicken place. Chicken and burgers. Oh. But it's a chain. Like, we don't have mom and pop restaurants where I live. Yeah. But I don't live in my hometown. I live in a different... My ex-husband was military, so we moved here and... I wouldn't not be opposed to leaving Delaware, but it is kind of cute. Whatever. It's fine.
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No. If you're going to go to the beach, you're not going to pick a Delaware beach. No, no, no. Alessandra's over there shaking her head like, absolutely not. Absolutely not. So who are your favorite content creators or celebrities on TikTok?
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Y'all could do, like, what are the moms of Utah?
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I love Avery Woods. Nobody can make me hate Avery Woods. I don't care. I don't care.
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And it is, it is sort of like a double edged sword, right? Because you want to be authentic, but if you say everything, then you can get canceled and cancel culture is still very real. And that's where it gets frustrating because it's like, I do think that people can grow from what they say or grow from something they did or, or said in the past.
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And I just, I don't know, it gets, it gets really sticky. It does. Yeah. Yeah. What is your, who's your dream collab dream sponsor?
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No, but I love it. I love it. I love it so much.
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GMC would be a good collab. I think so. I love Skims and Good American. Yeah, I do too. I'm trying to think what else I... Ooh, yeah, that would be good. Oh, yeah, that would. Airline would be good. That would be really good. Not JetBlue, though. They had people die on their flights or whatever. What? They were found in the cockpit, I think it was.
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Like, I'm not dying for a flight. No, it's never that serious. That's why. So you've never been out of the country? We went to Mexico on a cruise. Oh, okay. So you've been out of the country. But I don't think you need a passport for a cruise, right? No. Okay. I love that. Well. If Skims or Good American wants to sponsor Kylie and myself, feel free to hit us up. We would absolutely accept.
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Same for GMC. Honestly, I'll take McDonald's as well.
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I'll take a double cheeseburger, add mac sauce. All right, I know that you guys have heard me talk about hormone harmony before, but I just want to remind you that the hardest parts of getting older is feeling like something is wrong with your body, but not really knowing what. So everything just feels sort of off, and you come to realize it's not just aging, it's hormones.
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Women's hormones are so complex, and if anything goes off balance, the entire body suffers. And that's why I want to tell you about Happy Mammoth's Hormone Harmony. I just recommended this to Becky over at Karma and Chaos because she was talking about this. And hormone harmony is an herbal formula that fine-tunes the hormonal system, just like a musician tunes a guitar.
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And it doesn't just help with estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone. It also helps with stress hormones like cortisol, which is a little troublemaker that can contribute to weight gain and sleep issues, among other things. but Happy Mammoth is the company that created Hormone Harmony and they only use science-backed ingredients that have been proven to work for women.
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What are you watching on Netflix, Hulu, anywhere?
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So I got surgery last month and I'm a reading girly. So I typically read sometimes 10 books a month. It depends on the month. I got surgery. I didn't read for two weeks. Now I can't read. I've been scrolling on TikTok so much that I cannot focus when I'm trying to read. So I'm like, what is going on? I could not watch a show to save my life at this point.
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Isn't that crazy? Yes, that's terrible. Well, we'll do better. We'll try. So you don't know. So you don't watch like Selling Sunset or? No.
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Right. Background noise is a difference in conversation. I mean, Young Sheldon is always on at my house. We love Big Bang Theory.
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Was that a series? Yeah, it was a series. I don't know how many seasons. I think six seasons, seven seasons, something like that. I was able to get into that. I don't know why I like that so much. And what's crazy is if you look it up, it's like for 10-year-old, 10 plus.
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Is that trying to say something about me? I'm like, have I emotionally stunted? Like maturely stunted? Yeah. Um, yeah, I don't, I have not watched TV. I went to the reality awards and they did like a whole like red carpet moment and they were like asking me what I binge watch. I'm at the reality TV awards and I was like, I don't watch TV.
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No, I couldn't come up with it on the spot. I just like didn't think about it. I couldn't. I also, speaking of collabs, would love to go on Ridiculousness. Oh, yeah. You would be good for that, I feel. You think? Yeah. Okay, maybe we need to manifest that. Like, hey, Rob, if y'all are looking for anybody.
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Looking back on your social media journey, is there anything that you wish that you didn't put on the internet? There's a lot that I wish I didn't put on the internet. Yeah.
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Okay. Okay. There's definitely things that I wish. Teen mom too. Like also I wish there was some things that were not on the show. But once it's out there, there's really no going back. But stuff that was accepted back then is not accepted now though. I would also agree. So like it came back to haunt. Like you didn't get canceled the first time.
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You're definitely going to get canceled when it resurfaces, which is a scary place to be because you're like, okay, but that was 10 years ago. And I'm not saying that everyone can change and grow, but I do think that a lot of people can.
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you know the people who want to grow and the people that want to change will and that's what's scary is like I do think that cancel culture has become a little bit too much and and that's a scary place to be I will say that yeah so I saw on your TikTok also that you have a lot of projects that you are sort of talking about or not really talking about so can you tell me
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So cool. Just really to like look at when you're on the back porch. No, absolutely. So, but that's on the land that you guys are. Yes. Okay.
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Are you going to do all of your like home decor and inspo stuff on TikTok? Yes. Like will people be able to follow it? Oh, yeah. Okay. I didn't really do that whole process of designing the inside of my house. And I feel like I missed out on a lot of money not doing that. But I did like film the process. I wish that it didn't go as fast as it did.
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But I also did not love it as much as I thought I would. How long did it take? About a year.
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Well, cause I had bought, um, I lived in like a 6,000 square foot house and then it was only me and just three kids and I only had two of them half the time. And so I was like, we don't need this much space. And so I built the house that I'm in now, which is like slightly smaller, but it was like perfect.
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But how did you know how to create content? Because I've been doing this. You know, I was on TV for 13 years, and then I started TikTok just – I don't even know why I started TikTok. I just did, but I still am not like they gave me, they had to give me a shot list for what I need to get to come to New York. And then while I'm in New York and I still will miss half of the things that I need to get.
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Then I had three more kids and I was like, now I wish that I did not sell the other house because that's nine people that would fit nicely. You know what I mean? But I, yeah, it's, it's a, Some people love it. Some people hate it. I thought I was going to love it a lot more, but I would do it again still, I think. I mean, I feel like everybody needs to do it at least one time in their life.
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They say if you build one, then you have to build another because you know what works and doesn't work. And so I will say that that's been true for me. But I saw on your TikTok too that you still have plans to build, but like a different house, but not right now.
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Like I have so much. Which is so crazy to me because I feel like you've lived a thousand lives in 21, like just in this short time on TikTok. I feel like I have. Like you don't strike me as a 21 year old. No, I don't think so. But maybe becoming a mom so young has sort of not given you an old soul, but like I wouldn't relate to another 20 year old, 21 year old that doesn't have a child. I feel.
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Because they have kids, I'm sure. Yeah. So do you have friends in their 20s that are not moms yet?
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Okay. So what, how does she, I guess, interact with you and Landry then?
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I just, even though I, cause I was the only pregnant girl in my high school and I had a really hard time with that because I mean, even still some of those friends that I had at that time, they to this day don't have kids and we're in our thirties. So it's, I do find it hard to relate to people. But like I said, I have a four year old and a two year old. So Landry's right in the middle of that.
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I also have raised kids before. And so, I think now just hanging out with like-minded people, the age of the friend doesn't actually matter. It's what you have in common. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? So that's so interesting because I just would not have guessed that you were 21 if you didn't tell me.
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When I hear about people partying in high school, it's like I never did that.
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But I was having sex. I definitely was having sex.
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So what, what are the tips and tricks? Cause I need to know unless TikTok goes away, obviously.
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Wait. Okay. I cannot imagine being with the person I lost. I lost my virginity when I was 14 years old. I could not imagine still being with that person today. Oh my gosh. Me and Colton are like not even high school sweethearts, like middle school sweethearts. Yeah. Was there ever a time, and if you don't feel comfortable sharing, that's perfectly fine.
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Was there ever a time that you guys like broke up, got back together, like you weren't sure that you wanted to be with him? Or was it always you knew you were going to be with Colin?
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yes and what was your parents reaction oh they didn't really have nothing to say i don't guess like is that normal in mississippi like that's common like to have a boyfriend or just like i guess small town romance sort of that's a trope i would read in one of my books no i don't guess it was like normal because all my friends were like had like multiple different boyfriends and then it was just me and colton but that is so cute
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I think so. So did you, you had Colton in high school then or when you graduated? But you had Landry? Oh, sorry. Sorry. Yeah. Did I say Colton? Yeah. I meant Landry. My bad. Okay.
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Okay. Okay. And then you were just like, I'll just be a stay at home.
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You dropped out of high school and then got immediately accepted into nursing school.
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I hope my kids call me mama for the rest of their life. Like that is the sweetest thing I ever heard.
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I've heard granddad, granddaddy. Like I've heard like that's not something in the Northeast that we would say.
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Yeah, my mama is Honey, and my mother-in-law is Nini. No, Honey, is this, I literally just got done saying on a podcast I want to be called KK as a grandma. Don't call me Grandma. Don't call me Meemaw. Don't call me Nana. None of it. Because I'm never going to get old.
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so i'm not doing it i know and these are like young grandmas now so like they didn't need like a grandma name right no honey is so cute that is the sweetest okay wait we need to go back to this conversation because i think that there's such a stigma surrounding young mothers in general not just teen moms but young mom young moms in general right like i had this like preconceived idea that
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before I became a teen mom that like, I would look at girls in high school, other high schools, because I was the only one at mine. And I would be like, what is she going to do with the rest of her life? Right? Like, what is she going to do? How is she going to get by? And I was judging. And then I turned around and I got knocked up.
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So you were born in 20 or 2003. Yeah. So you're 11. What's the math on that? Nine years younger than me. So I'm 92. So would you be considered Gen Z? I think so. Or Gen Alpha? Z. I'm pretty sure it's Z. Okay.
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And then I was like, okay, the number one thing that is important to me besides my child is finishing some sort of something. So I finished high school. I tried community college. That wasn't for me. I tried dental assisting school. I ended up finishing that. And then I went to a four-year degree to get my bachelor's degree. But I just think that so many times people are like,
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Teen moms and young moms don't do anything. But that is absolutely incredible because I could not even pass chemistry to be a dental hygienist. So that's why I went to dental hygiene. I went to dental assisting school. So for you to have dropped out of high school and then got accepted to nursing school is just like it doesn't even compute for me.
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It really is. I think too, it also has to do with your interests, right? Like I don't want to learn about things I'm not interested in, but I do understand the idea that it makes us well-rounded and we need to have like the full circle, you know, know a little bit of everything. I do get that. But I do think it is – it does have something to do with like being interested in this stuff, right?
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Like I don't know about chemistry. I don't want to learn about this shit. No, me neither. I don't want to know about chemistry. But I feel like – does Mississippi have the apprenticeship for lawyer? Because you could just apprentice under somebody.
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Yeah, that's what Kim Kardashian is doing in California. Oh, is that what she was doing? Yeah. You still have to take the bar. Yeah. I was going to take the LSAT during COVID because I think it was online. So I was like, oh, perfect. And then I got pregnant again. So everything is just a little setback. I'm like, OK, when the twins go to kindergarten, then I can go to law school.
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But there's no law schools near us. It's like an hour and a half away. So, oh, that's so interesting. So then what made you decide that you didn't want to go to law school or what made you decide that you didn't want to go to nursing school or you weren't going to finish nursing school?
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Because of like clinicals and rotations and stuff? I guess so. Because the other thing is too, and maybe this is a hot take, I don't know. I feel like if you get the work done and you pass your exams, attendance should not matter because you're the one paying for it. I guess. So if you...
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pay to go to nursing school and you miss half the semester but all of your work is done all of your rotations your clinicals your all of that is done and you're doing well why does my attendance matter I think it was because it was during the I guess clinical or something you had to be there like you cannot miss I guess for your hours or something would you ever go back
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I actually think Avery Woods was a nurse. She was.
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I could never do it. I get queasy. Like, don't show me an infection.
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Motherhood changes us, I swear, because there are certain things that I could stomach before I became a mom. But as I had more children, too, it got progressively worse. Like, nurse anything related to like the health field. Don't, don't show me, don't tell me, don't ask me. I don't want to know. But also my pain tolerance changed.
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The more kids I had, you would think it would go up because I have so many kids. It went down. Really? Yeah. Oh my gosh. Like I can't sit for a tattoo. I'm not going to get a tattoo.
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Oh, see, no, I can't even. My son the other day fell and smashed his mouth, knocked his teeth back. I didn't want to look at it. Like I did it because I'm his mother, but I was like, like in my head, I was freaking the fuck out.
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It's just different when it's your own kids.
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I mean, I guess like I could, I don't like it, but I'll still stomach it for my child. I'm not going to. Yeah.
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I mean, when Landry goes to kindergarten.
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And her mom's here, for those of you watching. Her mom is here. So, okay. This is so crazy to me because I think of... Gen Z is like really young, but really we have a lot in common. Yeah, I think so. Because you, I mean, you're 21. Yeah. And you have a three-year-old, so technically you were a teen mom too. Yeah, I had him when I was 17.
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You should, though. That one's a good one. I could probably get interested in that. That one's about... Actually, and I think Meghan Markle's in that, if you're a fan of Meghan Markle. She's in there, but it's so funny. It's a lawyer show. I was obsessed with it when I watched it. I think there's like eight seasons, but it's so good. I could probably get into something like that, man.
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Do you follow Reb Maisel? No. Oh my God.
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Okay. So Reb is an attorney and she does, she reads iconic transcripts. She does way more than this, but this is what I think really got her to pop off. was she would get the transcripts from court hearings and she would read them in like a really funny and like condescending sometimes way, sarcastic way. I feel like I have seen this on my 4U page before. Oh my God, it's so funny.
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Like the people that say these wild things to the judges and you're just like, what is going on? So funny. You have to follow her name, Reb, R-E-B, and then Maisel, M-A-S-E-L. I'm gonna have to go look her up. Oh yeah. She's so funny. I think she's like, she is a practicing attorney in another, and she also has a podcast. Oh, okay. Yeah. So I don't know. Aspiring lawyers podcast up. I don't know.
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But like, I wouldn't want to be on the murderer side. Could you? Yeah. Could you defend a murderer? No, I couldn't. I'd have to be like on the family side or something. See, that's where it gets tricky for me. I've always wanted to know. I think it was Rob Kardashian that ended up dropping out of
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Just like a little bit of reasonable doubt. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Do you follow true crime? Yes. I love true crime. What's your favorite case? Or, like, your Roman Empire.
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Oh, my God. I love her. I love her. Anything that she covers. All of it. Yes. And I started watching her when she was doing the Get Ready With Me and she was talking about true crime. Her Makeup Mondays. Makeup Mondays. Murder Mystery Makeup Monday. Don't understand. Also, that's another piece of content that I just cannot figure out is the Get Ready With Me.
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I have already told the story and I've only done step one, which is the foundation. So, like, how...
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Well, so it's funny you say that their social media is a major at school now. Really? Yeah. So at some colleges, not obviously not all of them, but they have like, they offer social media classes. Right now is the perfect time to get organized, set goals and prioritize what matters most. One of my top priorities is my financial wellness and I feel like it is more important now than ever.
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Was he the inspiration behind starting TikTok or you just did it and it just was a coincidence that it was around the same time that you became a mom?
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That's rocketmoney.com slash famous. rocketmoney.com slash famous. OK, you do some some rapid fire questions. Oh, gosh. Or this or that. What does a typical day of Kylie look like?
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I'm also a homebody that might want to run out to Target, but actually it's Dick's Sporting Goods for us that I live at. I know other people love Target. But, yeah, same. I feel like that's pretty relatable.
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like one thing a day is perfect it really is i love that though okay favorite favorite food mexican or chinese probably mexican only because that's all we have we don't really have a good chinese restaurant are you serious we have one but it's not good oh no so but you like chinese there's probably i do i love chinese here in the city is it good i'm sure i'm
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I think New York and New Jersey are like two of the best places to get food. Oh, okay. I don't know. That might be a hot take. People might be pissed off by me saying that. Iced coffee or hot coffee? Asked. Okay. I make hot coffee at home, iced coffee when I go out because I have not found – A way to make iced coffee without making the ice melt. Oh, my God. Instant coffee. What do you mean?
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Like I have stuff to do. No, people are obsessed with you. I cannot tell you before you came on this podcast, how many people were like, you need to get her on the podcast. And then I think we talked about it. Really? Oh my gosh. People tag me in your stuff all the time and they're like, get her on the podcast. And I was like, okay, like chill out. No, but I love that.
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Not old folks coffee. It really is. It really is. You know what? Your next project is you coming out with old folks coffee brand. I'm freaking crying. Okay, so mountains or beach? Probably mountains. Really?
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What if you went somewhere that you could see through the water? Yeah, I would love to do that, but. Because that's the only water I'll get in. Don't ask me to get in no brown New Jersey water. No, no, no.
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no although lbi is kind of clear yeah it can be my cousin has a house on lbi and that's pretty clear no i do love the beach i just don't like the actual beach like i don't want to be out on the beach for hours yeah i'm not i want the vibes but i don't want the actual sand you know what i mean like not always at least okay what is a deal breaker for you in a relationship like if colton was like
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I'm going to be a content creator full time.
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Instagram is not like TikTok. I don't feel like I can post the same content.
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elijah better not he better not become a full-time content creator i won't even let him open up his socials he wants like he is all private i was like we're not doing this we're not because he is just such a man of very few words and i don't know colton's personality but like elijah doesn't say much so if he was to get on socials and talk a lot i'd be like who the fuck are you you know what i mean yeah that's kind of how colton is i have to like tell him like
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or i have to be in a voiceover with him yeah like and like i'm like narrating or helping him or something i am gonna have when i get home i'm gonna have elijah narrate my a day in the life because i feel like that would be i don't that would be really funny alessandra knows alice uh elijah doesn't talk so okay bad haircut or bad dye job
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Yeah. Oh, your hair looks so good. Well, thank you. It's not real. That's okay. I cut all my hair off because I had postpartum hair loss. I did too. So when it thinned out, I was like, I better cut it off.
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I need to know how you came up with the name Landry.
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Oh, got it, got it, got it. Okay, like a little sign.
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No, I really love Southern. I love it. I probably should go through IVF right now just so I can name a baby Southern.
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What is the deciding factor for you about not wanting kids? Because I typically don't ask people about their uteruses, but because you said it, I feel like. I feel like when you know you're done having kids, you know. Is there a reason?
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That's fair. And I think that there are people who don't know their limits. And then they'll force themselves into being overwhelmed, having more kids, even though they.
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You don't have that feeling? I think the general public, I think popular opinion is that I should have stopped having kids four kids ago. But, you know, I just wasn't done.
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And you know what? I went back and forth with having another one because I only have one girl and I really wanted her to have a sister. But I think... that is a fantasy that I was just like wanting my daughter to have a sister. Right. But I think in the back of my mind, it was like, I'm done. Like, this is all I can handle. I cannot handle another child. So yeah, it sounds good. It sounds great.
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Um, in theory, but the real, the reality of having more kids when you're overwhelmed is could, it could be life or death. You know what I mean? Like people hurt their children because you don't know what could happen. Right. Like you had a great pregnancy, but like, what about psychosis? What about postpartum depression? And that was something I experienced too, is like,
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You know, there are people who don't know their limits, and I can't imagine having eight kids. Like, seven sounds like a lot to so many people, but, like, I cannot imagine having eight. Like, eight feels like a lot to me.
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No, I don't think I could. I mean, that is a lot of kids, though. But seven doesn't feel like a lot to me. Because you're used to it. It's so weird. But one feels like a lot to you. Yes. That's so interesting. Alessandra, do you think you would have just one? Yeah, at this point. I'll be 34 this year, so... Yeah, but that doesn't matter. One is so good.
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I can't. So that's something that I take a lot of time doing is, like, making sure that my kids get one-on-one time because there are so many of them. But a lot of times...
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one somebody else is upset yeah but it's like i do have to spend like be intentional about spending one-on-one time with them and that's another thing is like making sure that there's enough time for everybody to go around right because just because there's seven of them doesn't mean that i shouldn't spend one-on-one time with them exactly okay so um last like sort of rapid fire question is what is your take on crocs do we love crocs we hate them
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Like, the ones that you, like, wear in your bedroom. Like, bedroom slippers. Yeah. Yeah. Is house shoes. Yeah. So you would wear them out?
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So you would wear Crocs? Yes. I'm a Crocs stan.
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But if you're just casual going to run an errand, would you slip your Crocs on?
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Landry he will wear Crocs anywhere though Landry is a like I will let my I'll let him wear them whenever okay but there's something to be said about a kid in Crocs is like the cutest thing we've ever seen they are cute because why are they so little and cute they are so little the tiniest little Crocs I don't even know what size they are they're like the smallest little ones he had and I kept them because they were the tiniest cutest things I've ever seen put them in a shadow box yes glue them to the shadow box and stick it on the wall because that is so cute okay and last thing where are you going if TikTok gets banned what app can people find you on
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And is there anything else that you're promoting right now? Do you have any projects? Do you have any goals that you have in the works over the next couple of weeks?
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Have you ever seen Holes the Duck May Swim on the Lake? Have you seen that? No. Oh, okay. I'll send you the gif. I feel like I'm old. Like, I don't know. We relate, but I also feel old. Anyway, thank you for coming on Barely Famous.
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I hope that you love New York City as much as we do now that we're here all the time. But... Follow Kylie on Instagram, TikTok for now, and also on Snapchat. Do you want to just say your handle? Yes.
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Whatever y'all say. And then we have Facebook, which is also a free-for-all. Yeah, I don't post on there. I do post. I'll use the same video, and they all perform very, like, wildly different. But I will also say that I feel like TikTok has been so life-changing for people, and I appreciate that about it because it's like you can be real and raw and get paid for it, right?
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But you brought Landry into his first flight. Yes. We love that for him. He's going to be a little traveler. I hope so. I was so surprised when I walked down and I saw him. I was like, this is so cute. Actually, someone messaged me and was like, I think she's going to be on your podcast, but make sure you ask about Landry. And then he was here. Oh, yeah.
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I also saw – I think it was on your TikTok – Did you buy a house? Yes. Are you excited? I am. How far is it from where you live now?
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Okay. So that was my plan for my land. I bought 20 acres of land and I was like, oh, like each kid can have an acre. And then Delaware was like, no, you can only build one house on this 20 acres.
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Wait, I have to tell you whose accent you remind me of. I said I was going to tell you. Do you ever watch Young Sheldon?
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Wait, how is he doing? Should we Google him real quick? I don't know what he's doing. Let's see how Tiger King is. Imagine him like, hey, can you come on this podcast? I don't know. I hadn't heard of him in a while.
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Because they'd say a lot over there. As of yesterday, the Big Cat Rescue fame goes up for sale in Tampa. oh big cat rescue of tiger king yep goes up goes up for for sale is that in mississippi Where is that? I don't know where that is. Florida. Oh, I don't know shit about shit, I guess. I didn't know where it was.
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Okay, well, speaking of the hate that we get on Instagram versus TikTok, do you ever see hate about showing your son at all?
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So not really. I go back and forth with my kids on social media. And I also just don't think that at first when I started teen mom, 16 and pregnant and teen mom, that wasn't really a conversation was like exploiting your kids. And once they've been on the internet for how long, I just, at what point do we pull back?
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I think naturally just seeing all the hate comments that other people were getting and understanding, you know, their right to consent and, you know, knowing what they want or don't want. I sort of pulled back naturally. It just like, wasn't something that I was
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Are you serious? You've never left him? I've never left him. That is actually really cute. So do you ever feel overwhelmed then?
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So it's not much. I hope that you can teach me how to vlog like you. Like before we leave New York, I need you to help me because I truly like you literally walked in with a tripod. Yeah. So do you just bring it everywhere? Yeah, pretty much.
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
Wait, so do you feel like you don't really fit in? Do you feel like a fish out of water in Mississippi if it's such a small town? Oh, no. I feel like I fit in. Oh, you do? Oh, yeah. Okay. But I feel like I'm just like. I've never been to Mississippi, but I want to do a show for my Patreon where I can go do wild ass shit and like record it.
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
And there's this girl, Hannah Barron, that does these like water things in Mississippi, I think. It might be Alabama. Would you ever do anything like that? Like what do you mean water? Water. She like goes and she like scoops the fish up with her arm.
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
Three. Yeah. Okay. I also, I have a two year old. I have a four year old. I have to leave my kids for work, but you are a stay at home content creator. Yeah.
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
So your content resonates with so many people because it's authentic, but it's just natural to you.
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
I agree. There was a time where I was traveling with my third son because I had him all the time. And so just like I brought him to every single podcasting, even if we podcasted in Georgia, Texas, anywhere, I brought him everywhere. So I do understand. But hopefully there's a time you do get a little bit of a break. Maybe you and your man can go on vacation. Maybe one day.
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
I do cook. So have you made mac and cheese on TikTok? Yeah. See? Okay. Then I asked you.
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
I can make chicken Alfredo. I tried to make mac and cheese homemade, and it came out like soup. Did you bake it? I tried. Oh. It was not good. See, I'm on a diet, so I can't have it right now.
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
They're like, what if it's like something crazy? Wait, you might be too young. So when I was 16, you would have been like six. These... green tea pills came out and like, I was, they came probably from the black market and we were in high school and right out of high school, just taking these green tea pills. We have no idea where they came from. Like that was the thing.
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
And we'd be in the bathroom all day, but we were doing it because we were dying to be skinny.
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
But we had no, no other life. How do you decide what you share versus what you don't share?
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
Own 60 acres. Yes. And then you live on it and then you're going to move from your house to the new. Are you building it or you're buying it?
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
I love that so much. That's literally people tag me in compounds all the time. And I'm like, no, that's a dream. I know.
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
That's kind of crazy. I don't, I think it's like a farmland thing, but even if I took, okay, I have seven kids and then, and then my house. So really if we have eight houses on 20 acres, one acre piece, we would still have over 10 acres to keep farming. That'd be like a little subdivision. Okay. So do you think that TikTok has contributed to the ability to,
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
to move, to buy a house, to build a house, to do any of those things. I mean, yes, definitely contributed, but we were talking about building before I even started TikTok.
Barely Famous
Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
I have to know when you started content creating, because I was scrolling through your Instagram, not your TikTok, but I was scrolling through your Instagram and I noticed that he's not really in a whole lot of your content. And I also don't have Elijah in mind. So when you started doing all of your content, did you, did it sort of just take off and then you told him about it?
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
Even if you go private, I built my house with a private builder. And that's what we were going to do. Yeah. Because I, I have the house that I built now is on farmland, but it was through a private builder. And I mean, they'll give you a timeframe, but you actually won't get into it until like six months after that. So it's crazy. Um, but yeah,
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Life of a SAHM podcast edition with Kylie Pitts
has so your grandma not your grandmother your grandmother-in-law basically your mother-in-law does she live on the land yes and then what about your mom no my mom lives about 20 minutes away okay that's still not bad though it's not bad and what do y'all do for fun in mississippi
Barely Famous
Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
I'm thinking of, you know, being a business owner myself. If one of my girls got pregnant and had an injury, right? Related to the pregnancy or not. Sure. if they can't do the role that they were in before they got the injury, I'm going to find a place for them within the company that they can do. Right. Because I'm a girl's girl.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And I recognize that at the end of the day, like you're not just a number, you're not replaceable. You know what I'm saying? Like, of course I can have someone else fill the role, but it's not the same. Right. And I just feel like with your fan base and everything that you've brought, of course, that's so hurtful.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Unfortunately, that meant lots of changes in other aspects of her life and deciding whether she was going to continue to be a WWE wrestler or not, or maybe it wasn't even her decision. So let's get into it with Leah Vandale. Welcome back to another episode of Barely Famous Podcast. Today we have Leah Vandale, formerly known as Carmella or Mella. Welcome to Barely Famous.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
For those listening who are not familiar with WWE, you have to be able to act, right? There's storylines and there's all kinds of things like that. when you, I don't want to say left cause you didn't leave when your contract was frozen and you had your son, what was the storyline that you had just like ended on?
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
I mean, it happens. Sure. And you have to... As a company, WWE needed to be able to pivot when they needed to pivot. Sure. Exactly. And so that part is what it is. So was any of your storyline... I can't remember because I do watch it with my kids sometimes. But was... Is your husband, your husband in WWE?
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
But so I say all that to say that you could have done something with your husband while you couldn't be in the wrestling ring. And so there are definitely so many ideas that you could have done, especially with both of you guys being such a big name. And he was doing commentary for, he's doing it for NXT now, right? Yeah. Okay. So originally doing it for WWE.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
How does that change the dynamic between you and your husband now? Because he is still part of WWE. Well, NXT. Yeah.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Hello, thank you for having me. I am a little bit nervous about this because this is the first time you're ever doing something like this. Yes, it is. And people who are familiar with WWE know you as Carmella. Yes. So you have been out of WWE for almost two years. Yes. But not by choice. No. So let's talk about it. Sure. And it started with... You, first of all, let me backtrack.
Barely Famous
Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
I could write a book. You also have Snatch. Snatch, yes. Let's talk about it. So I did get some information on it. I pulled up the website. We're going to link it in the description. What inspired Snatch and what is Snatch?
Barely Famous
Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Well, I'm glad that you did that because I've had four losses and, um, And when I opened the website and I saw it, it was like, wow, this is amazing. And I think that more people should know about it. And to your point, I mean, I didn't really talk about my miscarriages or anything like that because what do you – if someone else hasn't related – how can they comfort you?
Barely Famous
Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
When you're talking to other women who've experienced the same thing, you feel a different sort of connection and comfort. And so I think that's really great. Were the women in WWE supportive? Yes. Very, very supportive.
Barely Famous
Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
No, it's, it totally is. And I'm sure Corey is, that's not his real name. Matt. Can I say his? You can say Matt. Okay. I don't know what to. I know. It's so confusing. I think I, who told me there's like a name for like having to stay in character. Kayfabe. What is it called? Kayfabe. Kayfabe. I want to make sure I don't break anyone's characters.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Okay. This is like, this is real life. Okay. So, and what was Matt's reaction to you starting Snatch? He's so supportive of it.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
It's so crazy how long. But first you were a cheerleader and a dancer. Yes. But how do you make the leap from cheering and dancing to WWE?
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
That's rocketmoney.com slash famous, rocketmoney.com slash famous. I did not realize this happened a couple of weeks ago. Yeah. Yeah. I thought this was like last year and you've been like, so this is fresh.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Maybe it's with snatch. Maybe you're going to turn that into just like a worldwide making, you know, making people
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
If you could suggest improvements, where do you think they would be? Specifically for the WWE and what happened to you throughout this whole process, the lack of communication, feeling like this is an attack on your womanhood, your motherhood, and what value you bring. So where would you suggest the improvements? Where do we start with change? I think...
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
What do you say to the women who are thinking about it? Because at this point, I would look at this. If I was in the WWE, if I was in the company and I saw this happen to you, I would have to think twice about whether or not I could start my motherhood journey.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Yeah. Which feels really unfair. Yeah. And just as a human being, it's like, you feel helpless. Yeah. When you, um, Realize that something was very wrong. Can you walk us through the journey of realizing that something was wrong with the nerves and and after birth? Yeah, so I Had I got an epidural.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
But that would also be where the epidural goes, right? It wasn't.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
You're better than me. Everybody's getting sued if it was me.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
No, truly. Because I think women really changed the dynamic and the entire WWE industry. And I think that's really cool that you got to be a part of that. It's really cool.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
You're like, I want to go back to work and get better.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
So what do you tell... You have a blended family with Matt. What do you tell the kids? Do you just say, can't run around with you guys today?
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And that is necessary for WWE. What does that look like? What is like a regimen for someone? Oh, my gosh.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
So it's more for like actually being able to be able to keep up, not because they want you to look a certain way, but I'm sure they also want you to look a certain way.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
I have to like, Leah is a bad bitch too. So we actually saw, we went to Disney in October. We saw some, Don't catch me lying on his name. Solo Sokoa. Oh, yes. Yep. Freaking out. The kids were freaking out. And I was like, shh, shh. He was right in Orlando. No, he was really sweet. He was great. So you can't do the hardcore endurance stuff.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
So then how do you keep up with just regular keeping Leah well on a day-to-day basis now?
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
I think we have kids that are roughly the same age. Do we? My twins are 16 months. Oh, okay. So that right around the same time. Twins. Girl. Twins are, they're crazy. Although they're, my twins are not walking yet. So I mean, one of them is sort of walking, so I'm not, but then I have, um, I had Rio who was 11 months older, so they're like Irish triplets.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
So I keep up with him. I don't think that I could ever keep up with a WWE workout plan, regimen, any of that. So, um, kudos to you. Um, so will you still go support any of the shows? Like while, um, I don't know.
Barely Famous
Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And again, never say never. What would you say to any of your kids that wanted to join WWE or NXT or any of the... Oh my goodness.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
things start to take a turn about 10 years into the contract or 10 years into the franchise? Sure. Well, not necessarily a turn. I just got pregnant.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Did people give you shit about getting pregnant while you're under contract?
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And it's like that's what matters. Absolutely. Oh, my gosh. And men don't have to think about giving up their career to become a parent the same way that women do. They don't. And, and that's just in and of itself, it's heartbreaking because, I mean, you think about, we were just talking internally about, you know, one of our girls, you know, wants to try to have a baby this year.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And I said, great. And we're going to fill her role until she gets back. And if she chooses not to come back, that's her prerogative. But the fact that women have to think about whether or not they're going to be able to keep their career if they're, they're in a place to thrive. you know, decide, do they stay at home or do they not? I mean, you wanted to have both. I did.
Barely Famous
Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And there's no reason why you can't. So I think it's really heartbreaking that they, you know, and, and I know this isn't to, you know, talk shit about the WWE or anything, but maybe, maybe this would help open their eyes to the situation. And you didn't have to choose between being a mom and whether you were injured or not, there was, there is a place for you. Right.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
So I just think that's, you know, heartbreaking. Yeah.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
No, all things can be true. All of it, you know? And I don't know. I just feel like if I could write a letter to them,
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And actually just listen to that. I'm listening to Mel Robbins book, Let Them. Oh yeah. And so it's covering different aspects of the Let Them theory. And one of the pieces of that was like, you don't want to be somewhere that you're not wanted. So let them not invite you. Let them not include you. Let them not resign your contract in your case.
Barely Famous
Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And it doesn't mean that it doesn't hurt, but at the end of the day, I think that it's just like what you do with it, how you react to it. And I think, you know, you telling your story and you telling your truth, you're always going to have your, your fan base, your diehards and your family, of course. So I'm so grateful for that. Absolutely.
Barely Famous
Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And I, I'm excited to see what you do with snatch too, because I think that I, that was the first time I had heard of it was when I agreed to do this interview and I was like, yeah, I would love this. I got on the website and I thought it was really cool.
Barely Famous
Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And I, you know, I actually just had an interview with a woman who, um, she had a stillborn and so she's connected with a lot of women for miscarriage and still, you know, stillborns and things like that. And so just women who are going down that journey, this will be a really good place for them to sort of have, um, A sense of community.
Barely Famous
Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And I love that. So what was the deciding factor for you in wanting to speak up about this? Because I know that from what I know, I don't know, but from what I know, the WWE kind of has like a tight leash on what things, what can be said and, you know, how you use the name and things like that. So did you ever think like, maybe I shouldn't talk about it at all?
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
So it must have been on there and you were talking about how you're going to come on a podcast and you're going to share your truth and stuff. And I could imagine that your DMs were flooded at that point, wondering what is going on. I told you before we started recording that I went to WrestleMania with my kids last year and...
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
The following that is WWE, I have never in my entire life seen anything like it. It's insane. I mean, we're talking the walks of life from... Grandparents to babies. Shapes and colors from everywhere. People next to me flew in from Ireland. I was shook. I could not believe my eyes. It was the craziest thing I've ever seen. And that's something that you have for life. For life.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
That is so cool. I think I saw also, is Charlotte Flair a female wrestler was, or she was, I saw her at an airport one time.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Yeah. So I only know a little bit from what my kids, and then I think the only other mom that I was aware of in WWE was Becky Lynch. And then. So it was Becky Ronda, Ronda Rousey.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
but I mean Nikki came back right yeah I mean I know it's not the same sure but there was room for her to come back yeah and that's true like that's why I'm saying like never say never right in the future maybe yeah don't be a hypocrite like me I said I would never go back to Teen Mom and then I made a cameo so um
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
So I already asked you, but just for a clear answer, what would you like to see for mothers moving forward specifically in WWE and athletes across the board?
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
No, that's terrifying. So, but how, how did the WWE react to you getting pregnant in the first place? They were fine. Supportive.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
I think that it's really important that you just noted that this isn't a regular job, right? And, and I don't, I'm not using the word regular to be disrespectful, but this isn't a nine to five. And so when people hear that, I don't want them to misinterpret what you're trying to say, because we're, I mean, I think there should be more support across the board
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
for moms in general yes but this is not a typical office job this is not you're not a teacher this is very special circumstances and I think in order to make everybody happy but also to include moms in the storylines and to have women as part of the storylines is so important for WWE in and of itself that it is important to have support there.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Last year I had Becky Lynch on the podcast and her kids were in the hotel room and you know she travels with them but I don't think that that's always realistic to leave them in like maybe for her, love that for her but that's not for everybody and so you know making sure that you have a space to bring and travel with your kids because if you are in another country for
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
days or weeks on end, you have to, you know, have the support there and you want to do both. So why can't there be support for women to do both? Right.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Maybe we can be the HR for moms in WWE. You and I team up and we go in there and we're like, hey, here's what we see for WWE and all these other athletic places or entertainment. I don't know. Maybe that's what we're implementing here. Sometimes on the podcast, we talk about the mental load of women and how men's lives don't necessarily change the same way that women's do.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And we briefly touched on that. But I think that it's just important to highlight that. men don't have to think about any of this, right? Like they don't, and that's no disrespect to Matt, right? Like there's no disrespect to Elijah.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Um, but at the end of the day, they're not having to think about choosing between anything, travel and career or, um, you know, an injury or birthing a child in the first place. It's like you had to think about it. You thought you could have both, you know, your career and your, and, and being a mom,
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
But you didn't even have to think about the fact, like you did have to think about what if something happens to me. Right. And men don't really have to think about it because... They're men.
Barely Famous
Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Yeah. Well, I mean... B, make sure you're fit. Make sure you're breastfeeding. Don't do formula. No, God no. But be a mom because your time is ticking. But then also you have a career, don't you? You want to have a career. And then also make sure you look the part. But you also have kids and you can't work because you have to be with the kids and you're not allowed to be away from the kids. Right.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And so... I mean, it's insane. Like, it's fucking insane when you think about it. So when you guys were both, you know, working and things like that, did you... have to work at different times so that somebody could stay with the kids? Or did you both go to every place together? We traveled together.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
For sure. So what's next for Leah? Not Carmella, not Mella, not WWE. What is next for Leah? Yeah. That's such a good question.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Okay, so do it. Oh my God. Could you imagine? Yes, I can. Yes. Are you kidding me? I would die. You better call your agent when you leave here. You're like on the way to the airport and you got to call your agent. I'm in Philly. I'm like, I can meet you in New York right now. Right now.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Totally do Broadway. I mean, you think? Do it. Yes. I'll call myself. I'm like, hold on. Put in a good word for me. Leah Van Dale is on her way. Okay? Yeah, so Broadway and momming, of course.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
If he grows up and asks you why you left the WWE, what would you say?
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
I think so too. Thank you for sharing your story. Thank you so much for having me. Of course. Before we go, where can people find you? On socials, your website, snatch.co? Snatch.co.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
So you let the, the WWE know that you were pregnant and they were fine. They were supportive. You go to have your son and you, you got seven weeks off.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
If you're lucky. If you're lucky. And that's like light working out. So at the point that they reinstated your contract, did you, did they know that you had the diagnosis that you had with the nerve damage? Okay. So they still brought you, they reinstated it knowing that you had nerve damage. Okay.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Well, you tried to work while you were pregnant. Exactly. You know, I just feel like it would be so much of a different story right now if they valued how hard you were willing to work and what you were willing to do for the company. Exactly.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
That's a long time. There are people who don't stay with companies for 12 years, especially in the entertainment industry, because I feel like they're the turnover and you want the next best thing, but you've been the next best thing for the all 12 years. Do you know what I mean?
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
And then she took the leap into the WWE, which is amazing. Leah's dad was a former pro wrestler who worked.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
Like this doesn't feel right. Like you're a human being. You want real answers from a real person, not this robotic legal. And I get it. It's all, everything is a liability, but also to be treated like a human being and a woman and someone who's dedicated 12 years of your life to this, to this company.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
All right, one of the hardest parts about getting older is feeling like something is wrong with your body, but not really knowing what. Everything just feels off, and I've come to realize it's not just aging, it's hormones. Women's hormones are so complex, and if anything goes off balance, the entire body suffers. That's why I want to tell you about Happy Mammoth's Hormone Harmony.
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
for the wwe and so it's not really a surprise that she made this leap i absolutely loved her character carmella and she was with the wwe for 12 years and we've been seeing all of your questions all of your comments and today we're gonna get some insight from leah herself about why her contract ended so abrupt at some point she decided she wanted to enter motherhood
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
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Leah Van Dale: Speaking Her Truth
So when you're walking into the comedy show and you look at your husband and you are telling him about the call or you have it on speakerphone, how does he react? Because he's still with the WWE. He is still with the company.