Jessie
Appearances
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
Yeah, that makes complete sense. What surprised you the most about motherhood?
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
That's beautiful. When I first started here, I'll never forget this because I thought it was such an incredible moment that I got to kind of be a fly on the wall too. When Kendall was up here, I think she had run up, asked you a question about something. And your question to her was, do you want my advice or do you want me to listen? And I remember being like, oh my God, that's brilliant.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
Yeah, and I think you feel like you're in a good trust place now with all three.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
What's one moment where you completely, quote, messed up as a mom and what did it teach you?
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
But I love that you had that conversation with him about it. He was like, it's okay, mom.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
Yes. So I would love to kind of pivot. What's your advice for balancing work and kids? And as a businesswoman and mom of three and adult kids too, and you've obviously had a heck of a career. How have you done that with three little ones and three adult ones?
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
It's confirmation too that women can climb the ladder while still having babies and nothing has to change.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
Yes. So, listener question is from Kelly. Right. Some days I'm so overwhelmed I cry on my way to work. I try to work out twice a week, but I want to do more and I can't figure out how. Any advice to help me move forward?
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
If a mom is listening right now, drowning in guilt and perfectionism, what is the first thing you would tell her? Take a deep breath.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
And Mel, what is your advice for the people listening who have adult children right now?
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
That's beautiful. I really want to thank you for this conversation and helping to ground my nerves too and my mind and my body. All of it was just giving me a confidence that motherhood can be done, can be tackled and
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
She's coming really soon. Yes, she is. But thank you for that because I think it's just a conversation that all women can have in some regard, I hope. So I really appreciate you answering those questions. Well, I appreciate you, Jessie.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
Hi Mel, it's Jessie. I am coming to you five weeks postpartum here. I'm sitting in our little girl's nursery, which is wild to say considering I feel like we just had that conversation in your studio about motherhood. I sure enough did not make it to 40 weeks, made it to 37 and had a incredible, perfect, uh, labor and delivery. I couldn't have asked for a better experience with that.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
Yes. How are you feeling? Oh, my God. A lot is going on in my mind right now. Life is about to completely change in, I think, the most beautiful, fulfilling way and terrifying way. And so that is what I'm so excited that we're here, that we get to just talk, have some girl talk. Yes.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
We did get induced because of the high blood pressure. And again, little girl was healthy. She was born eight days after we recorded that. And I just wish I could go back and hug myself and tell her that she's about to have, here come the postpartum emotions. Um, the most perfect labor and delivery and the most incredible hospital team there with us as well.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
Well, you mentioned to trust your daughter. She chose you. And as I mentioned, it was not an easy path to get to her. There was a reason that it was her. And It took me a while to realize this reason, but the week she was born was the one-year anniversary of our first miscarriage. And sure enough, a year and a day after that, we went and got induced for this little girl.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
So a complete full circle moment that is so much bigger than me. It was always supposed to be her. It was always supposed to be this time. It was always supposed to be... three weeks early to kind of put a bow on that path that we went through to get to her. So it always gives me goosebumps when I think about that.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
I am so grateful for that conversation and it is eye-opening to see how much strength I have gained in these last five weeks going into this new role as a mom and not knowing what I'm doing. I'm running off of two hours of sleep and changing a million dirty diapers and getting all the newborn snuggles and I'm doing it. And it's just the most incredible role that I don't want to ever be afraid of.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
If I'm not afraid, I can give her my best self and be a guide to her. And Gosh, motherhood is just the best. It's the best thing ever. And I didn't know it till I got here. And I'm so grateful I got here. So on that note, I'm going to go wipe up these tears again and shout out to all of the moms out there and the women who have gone through this and have raised little humans and mothers.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
Kudos to all of you women out there. I will see you very soon when I bring this little one around to the office and get to introduce her as the first little company baby. Thanks, Mel.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
And talk motherhood and everything that's coming with it.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
Oh, gosh. There's the whole... There's a fear of, obviously, the pain part of it, of actually pushing out a baby. Uh-huh. Or however this little one is going to make her entrance. Yep.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
Yes. Yes. Which, like, oh, my God. No one can really prepare you for that. No. But your body. The body knows. Knows. Yes.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
Yeah, I think it's that, it's the unknown. It's the fear of having her be born. And then the fear of like, how the hell do I do this? How do you be a mom? Period. Never done this before. What do you think the job of a mom is? The first word that comes to mind is, here we go, protector. And I think there's a beautiful relationship there, especially since I'm having a little girl. Sorry.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
That I think is so exciting to have that relationship with and to do it how I want to do it. And then it just brings on like, well, I want to do it right. I want to make sure she knows how much she's loved. I want to make sure she knows how...
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
special she is how important she is in this world how valued she is in this world so a lot of things come with that well i think the fact that you've already listed off all those things means you're going to do it right to the best of your ability I'm going to try. What do you think doing it right looks like? Oh, man. So many things.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
I think it's... It can be the start of packing the right things for the hospital bag. It can be the start of... I mean, it's so stupid how much of that stuff takes up space in my mind. But doing it right as far as having, you know, making it to 40 weeks. I don't know if I'm going to make it to 40 weeks. Oh, for God's sakes. Jessie. I know. You think doing it right means going 40 weeks? Yes.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
Or doing it where... Not naturally, but just letting my body do it when my body wants to do it, not get induced. So you think you're doing it wrong if you get induced? Oh, my God. It's been a roller coaster this week. I think I put so much pressure on myself to let myself listen to my body first. And now it's like, nope, you're going to have to probably get some help to start this.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
So that feels like I'm already not doing it right. And then it's also just how to do it right with how do you properly raise a little human? I don't know why you're asking me.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
In my head, this is so, again, this narrative I've created that just says you want to go into labor naturally. And right now, as of this week, my doctor said that ain't going to happen. So scratch that off. Okay. And how does that make you feel? Terrible. Why? Because I feel I've asked every doctor that I've had to see, like, did I do something wrong? Did I not exercise enough?
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
Did I not eat the right things? Did I not sleep enough? Did I not? The list goes on. And every time that's no, no, no, no, no, nothing you did. But still, I can't help but think I didn't do it right, quote unquote. To have her come naturally.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
It brings up the path to get to her. Because it was not an easy path. We lost two before her and... You're right. There's a reason she made it. And she's here. And she is a little soul already. And they keep reiterating how healthy she is and how everything's good in there. And there's a reason it's her.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
What Every Mom Needs to Hear Today
It makes me think about, so how do you remove that pressure right now that I'm totally putting on myself? No one else is doing this. Jim's not doing it. And I think I can already see that pressure is probably going to come back when she's five, when she's 10, when she's 20. How do you remove the parenting pressure?
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
Hi, Russell. Nice to meet you. I can't believe I'm talking to you for my... I mean, I've known you like for the last 20 years. So it's like, I cannot believe this. So, so excited. So I just wanted to ask you, because my, my product, like my profession is I'm a professional hypnotherapist, right? Cool. So the advantage of my type of therapy is that it's, like, very effective.
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
Like, in six sessions, you don't have claustrophobia or the fear of this or overthinking or whatever. You know, it's very, very effective. So my worry is that when I offer these products, I cannot make it as personalized for these results. Like... You know what I mean? Because I specifically work, like when I work one-to-one, I work with the, like the inner, the inner talk, like their own words.
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
And that's actually what I work with them. So that's why it's so effective. So it comes up on that. I know, you know, I can have a training. I, you know, I read the books, the expert book with the structure, not too much detail and the masterclass and everything. But there comes a point that, you know, I needed to be more personalized so people really, really get these results.
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
We're talking about deep, deep subconscious, you know, subjects. So that's, you know, what would you recommend how to personalize, like, my products differently from, like, the rest of the therapy or...
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
I'm doing one-to-one, and it's mind-blowing. It's literally... I've been doing coaching for a lot of years, but when I integrated the hypnosis, it was unbelievable. Unbelievable.
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
The session. What? You've got to raise your prices. Oh, no. And I still think, you know, yeah, I should. I mean, cause it's really, really, really effective. Right. So, so the thing that's, and obviously it's a, maybe a limited belief. I don't know if it's because like my, my, my community or most of my community, it's, um, they're, they're Spanish speaking. Mostly they come from Venezuela.
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
Like, that's super expensive. Like, literally. So, maybe that's the audience that I'm attracting, so...
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
Yeah, yeah, like there's a, I don't know how to say it in English, hierarchy, right?
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
Of different steps that people could take. So maybe someone that cannot pay something, at least they get some kind of product for them, right?
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
And then it goes like, so, yeah, so what you're telling me basically is to have more options for them. And the custom track, I have thought about it. Obviously, I have to investigate or whatever, but I would love to have, for example, like, you know, they get into the funnel or whatever, and they have, like, a questionnaire with different stuff on it.
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
about, you know, the same kind of questionnaires I give to my clients individually. And from that, I take and I do the custom track.
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
Oh yeah, I know him.
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
And about the presentation, because I went like literally handwritten slide by slide with your book for the presentation. So do you have any, I think you might, I think, because I did all of this, Russell, by myself last year. I don't know how I did it. I did a funnel and everything. And I got a major, major burnout. It was bad. I literally had to stop for two months.
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
And now, you know, now I'm back. I read the book. So it like everything, you know, went in. And so what do you recommend for the presentation? Do you have like any like structure presentation already made or just...
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
No.
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
Like just do this session? Like I usually do it with a group and then go with a special offer?
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
Think about it.
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
But would you, because now I'm confused, so would you do like the hypnotherapy session, like to get down those dominoes, like false belief about hypnosis or hypnotherapy? Not about hypnosis so much as much as like... Anxiety, for example.
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
That's the thing. I mean, it's a whole bunch of things. But I've come to realize that people usually call these blogs or whatever, the first thing that manifests is anxiety and stress, you know? Okay. People know something's wrong. It's either anxiety or stress or because they're like, they cannot do something. Like, they want to, but they can't.
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
Yeah, because it's a totally different perspective. I never thought about that. I thought about doing that, obviously, in my trainings, which obviously it's there. Like every model has his own, you know, hypnosis thing, like very specific.
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
Okay.
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
Yes, I love it.
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
That's amazing. Thank you so much, Russell.
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
K-N?
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
S-O-N, Knudsen.
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
Which is the first name?
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
T-E. Okay. I'll search for it. But anyway.
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
Yes, I will. Thank you so much, Rachel. I appreciate it. Thank you.
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
Okay. All right. I'll take note.
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
And actually I do believe that's what's worth it. I do. I do.
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
It was good to see you too, Russell. Hopefully we'll do this again soon.
The Russell Brunson Show
The Simple Shift That Took Me Out of Stress Mode and Into Sales Mode | #Success - Ep. 36
Thank you. Thanks, Russell. Bye.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Smokin'! He's giving me zero attention. If he won't, someone else will.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I heard you were stirring the pot. I mean, I haven't watched it, but in all the press, they're like, Jessie really is stirring the pot.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I feel like we've asked a little bit though. Yeah, we get irritated, but also I feel like our producers are very sarcastic like me. So if I'm saying things, it's like I'm annoying, but I'm still going to do it and they know that. I just like to give them shit.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Well, it's funny when they ask me about it because they do call you Messy Jessie. Oh, amazing. We talk about all the events. They're like, and Chase was invited. Oh, Jessie invited him. And this person invited him. Oh, Jessie invited him. And we're like, oh, interesting. Oh, whoops.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I think even after the Halloween party, she's like, I had no idea this was going to happen. Like crying.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
What year was that? Because we started pilot 2022, end of 2022. And that was me, Macy, Whitney, Taylor. And then Taylor got arrested. What? We held off on all the filming for like a year. And then Demi came on the last day of filming the pilot in 2022. So she filmed like one or two days just to like scope her out. And then we did recasting after Taylor got arrested. And that's when Jen...
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
jesse layla and layla was around for the original mom talk yeah layla was at the original mom talk before the swinging stuff i think there was like an original mom talk for like a year before the swinging stuff if i'm right and so i had met up with like miranda and taylor knew them for like a short period of time and then the swinging stuff came out hung out with miranda like once or twice after yeah and she kind of gave me like her side of the swinging stuff and then
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
popular platform or something that would be hilarious it got too big though like do you remember there was like the videos that would blow up there were like literally like 20 girls and they're like all filled the frame it got way too big some of them would come from like out of town so they weren't all from utah so it was just it was too much yeah there were like five people that would like come in and from out of town and then they'd leave again yeah but like they lived in utah originally so going into the show jesse you're closest with macy yeah
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Oh, going into the show. Definitely Macy. Yeah. Because I was like best friends with Macy for two years before Mom Talk and filming. Wow.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Oh, watch it. Okay. I'm like, watch a man.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
you're going past the point of like standing up for yourself when it comes to like I would say that but but emphasis on the but it's just there wasn't like the dynamic of like Whitney is so innocent and everyone's ganging up on her it was like she was feeding into this role of like
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
oh make me your villain I'm this like it was all editing I didn't know I was like this and so it was just it almost made it harder to be quiet because it was like oh I don't remember it going that way but yet she was still feeding into this and doing like the same patterns and I think um I didn't really have that drive to say as much until she brought like Macy into it she was posting Macy's text messages where Macy was like backing her hard blindly almost and
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And I feel like that's when I got almost more defensive because I was like, she was always a shitty friend to Macy. And I always told Macy that. But it wasn't until after the show and she was like throwing Macy under the bus and defending that she wasn't going to her launch by exposing their messages. And that's when I was like,
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Oh, are you saying in season two? Yeah.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Oh, yeah. It didn't show like the falling out at all with Whitney. And Whitney has like that very victim mindset all the time. Like I said, every time she goes into something, tell me your issues. We tell her issues. She runs away crying and saying she's the victim. We're attacking her. And it's that. And it was continued through season two.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I had probably seven conversations that was the end of the exact same way of her. Like, I really want to work on this, but you're not telling me what I'm doing wrong. I was like, what about the last six conversations that I like? Do I need to spell it out or like write a list and give it to you? Yeah. It was just so many conversations that ended the same way. And literally everyone agrees.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And with Miranda coming into the group, it was like what she would do to everyone. The new person in the group, when she's on the outs, she'd get really close. And then when it didn't serve her, she doesn't talk to Miranda anymore because she left again. Yeah.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
like thinking like she can't admit she was wrong in her feelings yeah i just oh my gosh and it just i could go all day just because i think it just triggers me so much i don't want to because no it's fine it's just like it's every day with it's because we're filming too and i know it's filming uh yeah it's the same thing like everyone's like why are you so passionate because i'm like she hasn't changed like even just a week ago couldn't say she regretted going to macy's baby shower she told macy she had to look up the definition of regret
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
To say if she regretted it. I'm like, you know what regret means. And I'm like, you're an actress. Come in and act like you're sorry for season two. I don't know.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Well, because then there was another call after. Because what happened before, to give it context, we were all like, no one's going to walk, obviously. This is what we were saying before she went on. No one's going to walk, but there's power in numbers. And so we're all going to walk. And so then Jessie comes on, hears that. She's like, I'm not going to walk.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And if I had that context, of course, I would have not said that.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
No.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
So I didn't know what the reaction was going to be. And they wouldn't show us like the background numbers of airing or like anything. You don't even know if it's a hit yet. Exactly. Like we knew that it was good because they were wanting to go in so quickly into filming season two. Yeah. And like, We knew after the numbers came out, too, that it was doing really well.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
But also there was just a line of like, OK, this is absurd and this is way too much money. Like, yes, we deserve more. But this is like it's not it's not realistic.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yes. Oh, yeah. Without having to work.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
So well, even in like the conversation we had where we were like had our little mom talk meeting.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
and there was the blow up between Taylor and Demi they were talking about cause Demi was like wanting to have a huge finale for season one and so she was wanting to make up she's like we can make up this whole thing that like I have an affair with Dakota and like this and so we were like everyone was like oh that's a weird thing to say no one wants to make up Taylor brought it up in the conversation and Demi's like did everyone think that was weird and everyone's like
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
you know, yeah, kind of, that was a little bit weird. And she was like, really, Jessie? Unbelievable. Oh, she got so mad at me. I was like, this is a lot to take in.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
She's very charming. We liked Demi too. Like when our friend, cause I got really close to Demi and Jessie and Macy, which I was already, but like we were getting closer to Demi and then all of this started unraveling and we still gave not her the benefit of the doubt, but it was just kind of sad to see like, oh, She would do that. And then it kind of just kept progressing.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And so we weren't like immediately like, OK, closed off. It just happened gradually. So it was sad for sure to see that she was willing to do all the things that she did.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And yeah, I think it's really hard for again, you have like I was the victim of sexual abuse and Demi kind of takes advantage of that in the situations of like guilting us of like, well, you were going through this like you out of anyone should believe me. Yeah. But also I was there right after the villa and I heard from her own mouth. I'm not a victim. I was playing into this.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Like I was being flirty. I was having a fun time. And that was the story from the beginning. And I was also there to kind of like watch everything too. And you were there too. This is such a serious subject. Very serious.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
witnessed things you know so no yeah I'm like especially in my situation where again I went to my mom and that wasn't believed so it's not coming lightly that I'm like choosing to be hesitant when we talked with Demi and Brett it's they certainly gave the impression that they were done with this show
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah, I think her go to every time was who's walking, who's walking with me. I'm done with the show. So I'm like right now. I don't know. I don't think it would surprise me with her coming back because she is so back and forth in that sense, too. I just think like Whitney, they can't stay away.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I think it is different for me because, again, I go back and forth with Whitney with where I'm like, do you truly just not know? Are you like this calculated? Like, are you as manipulative as you seem or do you truly just not know better with the Demi stuff? It is very, very calculated and very. Again, the serious allegations and everything that she's doing with like the contracts.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I'm like, this is I think everyone has seen the character flaws with it. And no one want I don't want a friend that's willing to do that to me. So and I think everyone kind of agrees and has that same view.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Can we talk about how hard that is? Yeah, it is. Because I think people don't get that. That I'm like, there is like the real friendships and then there's like the show aspect and we are being forced against our will to hang out with these people. Yeah. And it's so hard.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
No, it's like the interviews where it's like, who's most likely to? And we're all like, hee hee, like having a point. We're all in a group and it's like, it's hard for sure.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I don't know what's going to be shown. I mean, I lived it and I'm like, I don't know what I should say. I'm trying to tread very lightly.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
What are your thoughts and feelings on genocide? Yeah, I mean, the little white lies. I had friends in school like that.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah, that happens. That was Jen probably. Like I said, it is so hard. It's so much filming. We do so much filming. It's so many hours. And so, again, it's hard not to be frustrated when people aren't showing up. And then on the back end, they're trying to ruin your life or make up lies to ruin your life. I feel like it's so frustrating.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And then just those little weird lies about Ben Affleck and things like that. I'm like... Oh, I think that's huge. We can never get a straight answer.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
It's very fresh. I just did more press and it's like not doubling down, tripling down, quadrupling down. And I'm like, I just I'm trying to keep my mouth shut because I don't know what to say.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
And I'm just wondering if what I saw is what you all witnessed.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
oh oh damn she knows how many who's even i'm like who's left how many husbands are there significant others not husbands i think i know who you're gonna say and it's kind of funny who is it oh connor i love connor everyone loves connor like he's so he is so great and so logical yeah i think he's like whitney's right side of her brain truly like he is so he keeps her He does.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
He's very and he's just so he's not very he's emotional, but not in his he doesn't like act out of emotions. He's just very caring and he's logical and just yeah, he's great.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Oh. Probably. I think everyone sees it. I just think he handles it with more grace and compassion because he's married to her. I wouldn't want to piss her off if I had to live with her.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
It's doing great.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah, it's been a lot better. I think the less I've done, the better it's gotten, which is really ironic because I really put my heart and soul into it for like years and years and years with no progress. So
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah. It totally is a thing. Like I've looked up a lot of that with like autoimmune stuff. Um, I don't know what was going on with my health issues. I still never got answers of what was going on, but I've heard like people with eczema and all this stuff, they get pregnant and it goes away. So I was like very strong.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I'm like, hopefully this baby heals me, which people had an issue with that for some reason.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I don't like so much shit for that. Yeah, they're like, that's so much heat to put on a baby. I was like, okay.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yes. But no, I do think pregnancy has helped a lot. And then again, like I said, working through trauma, I've been learning a lot through like how trauma stored in your body and like unraveling all of that. And I think Yeah, I've seen the most healing in the last nine months to a year. Just going to therapy. Yeah. And honestly, I'm not on medication. Yeah, healing the inner. From the inside out.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yeah, that's true. That's what I've been telling Jessie too. I'm like, you need to work on yourself. She's like, that's why you're so fucked up. Exactly.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Ever.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
No, what Kayla said. And for the second time in a row, her award winning role is the victim. Her leading role is the victim. Yeah. Second season in a row. But let's not hype her acting career that much.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Probably Jessie or Layla. Or Miranda. I was going to say Miranda or Layla.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Whitney. Probably me or Taylor. Not you. Well, are we talking season two? I'm talking in real life. Yeah.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
I'm pretty grungy. What? Yeah. What do you mean? Just a bra with a blazer over.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Just kidding. No, I think you know. No, you were at my house and I hadn't even turned on my oven yet. She had lived in her house for like six months. I was like, how do you turn your oven on? She's like, I've never used it. I was like, okay. It's giving Carrie Bradshaw. No, actually.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Yes. I think everyone doesn't, but I think I just keep going back to the CMA post when she was like, it was just Penny. I don't care. I don't care.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Don't you have two? I have three. You have three? Beckham, Haven, and Tommy. So I have my little girl, Tommy, and Haven. And then Beckham's my one boy.
The Viall Files
E936 - Jessi & Mikayla, Mormon Wives, Sneaky Links w/ Chloe Veitch, Summer House & More Sonja Morgan News
Whitney. Yeah.
This American Life
809: The Call
Hold on, those are from your chickens? Yes, those are the eaten eggs. We've got eaten eggs.
This American Life
809: The Call
She's the most magnificent creature I've ever met in my life. She's also the raggediest bitch I've ever met in my life. She's magnificent.
This American Life
809: The Call
No, she'll let me know. She would let me know that she was calling. Hey, Mom, I'm going to call the line. Thanks for letting me know. I don't... I think... I know that I could cut it off. I could cut the mama off. I could keep the mama cut off if she become unresponsive. I know I could do what I have to do. But what if I couldn't?
This American Life
809: The Call
I said, what are y'all doing? She said, well, mama, we just picked up from a new guy and we're not real sure if it's safe or not. I said, so, I said, so y'all gonna sit in my front yard and you in a car. I said, how the hell? I said, how am I? What am I? What am I do for y'all in a car, Kaylin? And I heard her. She said, I told y'all we could go inside. I said, yes.
This American Life
809: The Call
I said, you're either going to come inside or you're going to get out my yard. I said, I can't.
This American Life
809: The Call
If what she wants to do is continue to use, she should be alive and healthy to do so. If what she wants to do is one day kick and go on and do something else, she should be healthy and alive to be able to do so.
This American Life
809: The Call
I don't know. I honestly don't think about what Kaylin Wheeler won't do. And I honestly don't. I don't mean this to sound like it's going to sound. I really don't care what Kaylin does. As long as she don't die, that'll be great. That's it.
This American Life
809: The Call
Took a fight in a Krispy Kreme parking lot one morning. Right there where y'all stay. You go down to the end of Dawson. I bet y'all go to the end of Dawson and take a left to come to my house. It's a Krispy Kreme donut shop right there. It took a fist fight in a Krispy Kreme parking lot for me and her to come to this place.
This American Life
809: The Call
I hadn't seen her in weeks. I hadn't heard from her. She was hiding from me. Because every time I talked to her, I was giving her the business. You know, you're going to come home. You're going to do this. You're going to do that. I was yelling at her, making her feel like crap. People who are using substances who are in the place that she is, they feel bad enough about themselves.
This American Life
809: The Call
They don't need us to help them. Okay? So she would change her phone number. She would hide from me. I wouldn't see her. I'd ride an hour every morning before work. I'd ride an hour at lunch. And I'd ride an hour and a half every afternoon when I got off. I would ride three and a half hours every single day, Monday through Friday, to try to catch a glimpse of my baby.
This American Life
809: The Call
Literally ride around town in the places that I knew she was trying to catch a glimpse of my baby. One morning on the way to work, I saw her. She doesn't remember this. She was, she was that altered. But I saw her walking across the Krispy Kreme parking lot and I drove across five lanes of traffic. Me and that legit.
This American Life
809: The Call
And I ran up on her and I was excited and I guess I ran up real fast and she had her earbuds in and I touched her. I grabbed her shoulder. I meant to touch her shoulder, but I grabbed her shoulder and when I did, she turned around and hit me. And being from West Tennessee, I hit her back. So for a few seconds, she forgot I was her mama, and I forgot I was her mama.
This American Life
809: The Call
And when we got through fighting in the Krispy Kreme parking lot, we were both bleeding. She threw her hands out to the side. She said, Mama, what the fuck do you want from me? And I threw my hands out and screamed back, what I've said a thousand times to you today. If you could just not die, that would be great. And that's when it hit me. Just don't die.
This American Life
809: The Call
That was literally the moment, the moment my brain shifted. Because even standing there bleeding, I was looking at my baby and she was okay. And that moment, that was all that mattered. Remember, Jessie was on her way to work when all this happened. I was in my nursing uniform going to teach. I teach collegiately. I was going to lecture.
This American Life
809: The Call
I was going to stand at my podium looking my very best, my very best professional nurse that I could possibly look going to teach all these baby nurses. Did you go to work? I did. Wow. I did.
This American Life
809: The Call
I said, hello. He said, I'm trying to reach Never Use Alone. I'm like, oh shit, I guess you did. Because I didn't know what to do. I mean, I knew I needed to get his address. Uh-huh. I mean, that was kind of the no-brainer, right? But outside of that, I was like... He's like, well, are you going to get my information? I'm like, what information do I need? He's like, oh, God.
This American Life
809: The Call
He said, you're going to let me die. And I'm like, well, I mean, it seems that way right now, so help me out.
This American Life
809: The Call
You're drinking an ounce of water for every kilogram body weight, aren't you? Didn't we figure that out the last time I talked to you?
This American Life
809: The Call
Listen... If it wasn't for people like you calling, people like me wouldn't have nothing to do. I'd be bored as hell. I am so glad you called me.
This American Life
809: The Call
You didn't call me? You know my heart would be broke if something happened to you. I know that, he says. I know. Okay. Okay. Just call us. It's not a bother. Even if it's a tiny amount, okay? Even if it's a tiny amount, it's okay. You're worth it. You're worth it every time, okay? Okay.
This American Life
809: The Call
I did. Back in 2002. I'd had a surgery, and my doctor put me on Oxy30s. I'm a nurse. I'm a nurse. Anytime I called for a refill, I got one.
This American Life
809: The Call
You know, I found out I was a grandmother through a text message. when I had been at the hospital for two days, you know, with her while she was in labor, you know, but she sent me home and said, you know, I'll be fine. I'll let you know when something starts happening. And, um, I found out the baby was here through a text message.
This American Life
809: The Call
I did the best I could with what I had at the time. That's all I got. Yeah. When it became overtly obvious that I was really not doing my best, that I was making things worse between me and her because we were always so incredibly close. And when I realized, all right, you're fucking this up, you got to find a different way. You got to do something else because this right here is not working.
This American Life
809: The Call
I didn't want her to die. This whole thing is about, this whole, every, every, every, every fucking thing I do is about her not dying. About her not dying. Then about her and her homie not dying. And then about her and her homie and their homies dying. And now it's about the entire town not dying.
This American Life
809: The Call
So you can hear, like, in the beginning, I'm upbeat, I'm happy to talk to her. I spoke with Jessie, the nurse. But you hear my voice change. Like, I... What is that? That... She was speaking with some speed, with some urgency. I just... I knew she wasn't gonna be... Careful. My mama spirit kicked in immediately. It's a sixth sense that you develop when you do these calls.
This American Life
809: The Call
If it wasn't for people like you calling, people like me wouldn't have nothing to do. I'd be bored as hell. I am so glad you called me.
This American Life
809: The Call
So her neck, you can inject in your external jugular vein. But to do that, you have to hold your breath.
This American Life
809: The Call
Um, when they hopefully weigh their dope, hopefully when you weigh your dope out, they're using a scale and they measure it out in grams. Um, 0.1 is zero is a tenth of a gram, 0.2. I mean, you know, that's, you know, drug user lingo for we'll nickel and dime it right on in there.
This American Life
809: The Call
I'm hoping that she just walked away from the phone. I try to give them 30 seconds. 30 of the longest seconds of your life. I try to give them 30 seconds to, oh, shit, I'm sorry I walked away from the phone. Or my earbuds disconnected. Or I hit the mute by accident. You know, that's what I try to do. 30 seconds. 30 seconds.
This American Life
809: The Call
He said, what up, homie? I said, um, I said, oh, just living the dream, taking some calls, some NUA calls, what you doing? He said, oh, he said, you know I'm at work today, right? And I'm like, oh, I forgot today's Saturday. Stephen works in Massachusetts. Texting back and forth, and I was like, oh, yeah, I had a never-use-along call. I had an overdose call in Massachusetts today.
This American Life
809: The Call
I said, hold on. I don't remember. He said, bitch, where? I said, bitch, I said, hold on. I got to go get the book. Damn. I opened the book. North Adams, Massachusetts. The sob that left this man's chest, I'll never forget. He said, that was me.
We Can Do Hard Things
What If My Partner’s Jokes Hurt My Feelings?
Hi, Glenn and sister and Abby. My name is Jessie. She, her. And I have a big question for you. My partner is the love of my life. He's so sweet. He's so thoughtful and so kind. And our relationship overall is amazing. And sometimes he makes jokes that I just think are hurtful. And I have told him and he says they're not even spirited and he's just joking. But it's hurtful and I can't get past it.
We Can Do Hard Things
What If My Partner’s Jokes Hurt My Feelings?
And I... I don't know what to do to make him see my side because I feel like if he could understand that his impact was not matching his intent, then he wouldn't be making the jokes. But it's been a real sticking point in our relationship that I really don't know what to do. So if you have any advice, please help me out.