Jeff Krasno

The issue here with a lot of these chronic diseases, as you well know, is that they are progressive. You know, they don't just come on like the Texas chainsaw murder or whatever. They're slow. low and, you know, they unwind like a little film noir, you know, so this is what was happening in my body.

The issue here with a lot of these chronic diseases, as you well know, is that they are progressive. You know, they don't just come on like the Texas chainsaw murder or whatever. They're slow. low and, you know, they unwind like a little film noir, you know, so this is what was happening in my body.

The issue here with a lot of these chronic diseases, as you well know, is that they are progressive. You know, they don't just come on like the Texas chainsaw murder or whatever. They're slow. low and, you know, they unwind like a little film noir, you know, so this is what was happening in my body.

But the problem here with so many of these chronic diseases is that they're so anodyne, they're so prosaic that we can just write them off of like, oh, I just had a bad day. I just got a bad night's sleep. And then we never really address them until boom.

But the problem here with so many of these chronic diseases is that they're so anodyne, they're so prosaic that we can just write them off of like, oh, I just had a bad day. I just got a bad night's sleep. And then we never really address them until boom.

But the problem here with so many of these chronic diseases is that they're so anodyne, they're so prosaic that we can just write them off of like, oh, I just had a bad day. I just got a bad night's sleep. And then we never really address them until boom.

You know, you get a bucket of cold water over your head, you know, you get a diabetes diagnosis, or you get, you know, worse, you know, mitochondrial infarction, all sorts, you know, that would be really bad. But, but you know what I mean? So this was my life. And, you know, I just had to wake up and start to really examine the way that I was living.

You know, you get a bucket of cold water over your head, you know, you get a diabetes diagnosis, or you get, you know, worse, you know, mitochondrial infarction, all sorts, you know, that would be really bad. But, but you know what I mean? So this was my life. And, you know, I just had to wake up and start to really examine the way that I was living.

You know, you get a bucket of cold water over your head, you know, you get a diabetes diagnosis, or you get, you know, worse, you know, mitochondrial infarction, all sorts, you know, that would be really bad. But, but you know what I mean? So this was my life. And, you know, I just had to wake up and start to really examine the way that I was living.

But also something deeper in my own psychology, I had to really untangle the story that I was telling myself about myself.

But also something deeper in my own psychology, I had to really untangle the story that I was telling myself about myself.

But also something deeper in my own psychology, I had to really untangle the story that I was telling myself about myself.

And while I want to talk about really the key core protocols that I think people can adopt that are super actionable, that will bend the arc of their health, I do think for many people, there's a step before that, which is really what I call my biopsychosocial intake form, which is like a very personal inventory of

And while I want to talk about really the key core protocols that I think people can adopt that are super actionable, that will bend the arc of their health, I do think for many people, there's a step before that, which is really what I call my biopsychosocial intake form, which is like a very personal inventory of

And while I want to talk about really the key core protocols that I think people can adopt that are super actionable, that will bend the arc of their health, I do think for many people, there's a step before that, which is really what I call my biopsychosocial intake form, which is like a very personal inventory of

about the story you're telling about yourself i mean i grew up as a very chubby kid i was moving from country to country so which was wonderful on on some level you know i was learning languages and you know having cultural experiences but i was moved into a new school every six months in a new country with a new language with a new clique of friends and of course when you're a kid

about the story you're telling about yourself i mean i grew up as a very chubby kid i was moving from country to country so which was wonderful on on some level you know i was learning languages and you know having cultural experiences but i was moved into a new school every six months in a new country with a new language with a new clique of friends and of course when you're a kid

about the story you're telling about yourself i mean i grew up as a very chubby kid i was moving from country to country so which was wonderful on on some level you know i was learning languages and you know having cultural experiences but i was moved into a new school every six months in a new country with a new language with a new clique of friends and of course when you're a kid

All you want to do is fit in, right? All you want to do is connect. Being a chubby kid, having to learn these languages, I was essentially willing to sacrifice any and every authentic part of myself in order to fit in. And really the output of that was I became the world's biggest people pleaser. And that people pleasing was like a rucksack that I essentially lugged into my adult life.

All you want to do is fit in, right? All you want to do is connect. Being a chubby kid, having to learn these languages, I was essentially willing to sacrifice any and every authentic part of myself in order to fit in. And really the output of that was I became the world's biggest people pleaser. And that people pleasing was like a rucksack that I essentially lugged into my adult life.

All you want to do is fit in, right? All you want to do is connect. Being a chubby kid, having to learn these languages, I was essentially willing to sacrifice any and every authentic part of myself in order to fit in. And really the output of that was I became the world's biggest people pleaser. And that people pleasing was like a rucksack that I essentially lugged into my adult life.

In modern times, we have a negative association with stress and totally justifiably, right? Because in the modern age, stress is chronic. And chronic stress, as you well know, leads to imbalances in the human organism and by extension, disease. But stress at its core is actually an adaptive response to our environment. So I live up in the hills of Los Angeles.

In modern times, we have a negative association with stress and totally justifiably, right? Because in the modern age, stress is chronic. And chronic stress, as you well know, leads to imbalances in the human organism and by extension, disease. But stress at its core is actually an adaptive response to our environment. So I live up in the hills of Los Angeles.

In modern times, we have a negative association with stress and totally justifiably, right? Because in the modern age, stress is chronic. And chronic stress, as you well know, leads to imbalances in the human organism and by extension, disease. But stress at its core is actually an adaptive response to our environment. So I live up in the hills of Los Angeles.

And the story in that sack went like this, like, I'm just that chubby kid that will do anything to be liked, that'll do anything to fit in. And I really had to get super honest with myself about who I thought I was, and then realize that change is actually possible, that I actually do have agency, that like my fate wasn't just written in the genetic stars.

And the story in that sack went like this, like, I'm just that chubby kid that will do anything to be liked, that'll do anything to fit in. And I really had to get super honest with myself about who I thought I was, and then realize that change is actually possible, that I actually do have agency, that like my fate wasn't just written in the genetic stars.

And the story in that sack went like this, like, I'm just that chubby kid that will do anything to be liked, that'll do anything to fit in. And I really had to get super honest with myself about who I thought I was, and then realize that change is actually possible, that I actually do have agency, that like my fate wasn't just written in the genetic stars.

You know, my whole story was like, I just have the thrifty gene, right? You know, great in a famine, but like really bad for Instagram, you know? And I had to relearn a new story about myself. And that was really key. And then that propelled me into, you know, adopting headfirst, jumping headfirst into these protocols like fasting and cold water therapy and some of the other ones I began to stack.

You know, my whole story was like, I just have the thrifty gene, right? You know, great in a famine, but like really bad for Instagram, you know? And I had to relearn a new story about myself. And that was really key. And then that propelled me into, you know, adopting headfirst, jumping headfirst into these protocols like fasting and cold water therapy and some of the other ones I began to stack.

You know, my whole story was like, I just have the thrifty gene, right? You know, great in a famine, but like really bad for Instagram, you know? And I had to relearn a new story about myself. And that was really key. And then that propelled me into, you know, adopting headfirst, jumping headfirst into these protocols like fasting and cold water therapy and some of the other ones I began to stack.

Yeah, sure. It's the Commune Podcast. And you're absolutely right. I mean, I feel like I am a product of everybody else's wisdom. I don't have any letters.

Yeah, sure. It's the Commune Podcast. And you're absolutely right. I mean, I feel like I am a product of everybody else's wisdom. I don't have any letters.

Yeah, sure. It's the Commune Podcast. And you're absolutely right. I mean, I feel like I am a product of everybody else's wisdom. I don't have any letters.

So I spent a lot of time with this guy, Gabor Mate. This is the wonderful thing about having this retreat center in Topanga is that I get to host a lot of these brilliant people and then distill their wisdom to the best of my ability. And Gabor really opened me to that notion that people, but particularly children, will really sacrifice their authenticity for belonging.

So I spent a lot of time with this guy, Gabor Mate. This is the wonderful thing about having this retreat center in Topanga is that I get to host a lot of these brilliant people and then distill their wisdom to the best of my ability. And Gabor really opened me to that notion that people, but particularly children, will really sacrifice their authenticity for belonging.

So I spent a lot of time with this guy, Gabor Mate. This is the wonderful thing about having this retreat center in Topanga is that I get to host a lot of these brilliant people and then distill their wisdom to the best of my ability. And Gabor really opened me to that notion that people, but particularly children, will really sacrifice their authenticity for belonging.

It is reconnecting with your authentic self. So he was really instrumental in helping me sort of tell a new story about myself. And also for me to recognize that in some ways, what was my biggest shortcoming as a child turned into my biggest superpower. And it's crazy. Sometimes the most obvious truths about yourself are just hidden in plain sight. It's like that optic blind spot.

It is reconnecting with your authentic self. So he was really instrumental in helping me sort of tell a new story about myself. And also for me to recognize that in some ways, what was my biggest shortcoming as a child turned into my biggest superpower. And it's crazy. Sometimes the most obvious truths about yourself are just hidden in plain sight. It's like that optic blind spot.

It is reconnecting with your authentic self. So he was really instrumental in helping me sort of tell a new story about myself. And also for me to recognize that in some ways, what was my biggest shortcoming as a child turned into my biggest superpower. And it's crazy. Sometimes the most obvious truths about yourself are just hidden in plain sight. It's like that optic blind spot.

It's like, he was like, well, Jeff, tell me a little bit about what you've done in your life. And I was like, oh yeah, well, I used to put on big concerts in the music industry and help to tour bands. And he's like, oh, okay. So you brought people together? I was like, oh yeah. And then what did you do? Oh, I started Wanderlust. He's like, oh, what's that? Oh, that's a big festival.

It's like, he was like, well, Jeff, tell me a little bit about what you've done in your life. And I was like, oh yeah, well, I used to put on big concerts in the music industry and help to tour bands. And he's like, oh, okay. So you brought people together? I was like, oh yeah. And then what did you do? Oh, I started Wanderlust. He's like, oh, what's that? Oh, that's a big festival.

It's like, he was like, well, Jeff, tell me a little bit about what you've done in your life. And I was like, oh yeah, well, I used to put on big concerts in the music industry and help to tour bands. And he's like, oh, okay. So you brought people together? I was like, oh yeah. And then what did you do? Oh, I started Wanderlust. He's like, oh, what's that? Oh, that's a big festival.

oh, so you brought people together? I was like, oh yeah, I guess I did. He's like, well, what's your business now? And we were laughing. It's like, it's called commune. It's like, I bring people together. He's like, that is the thread of your life. Because you value belonging so deeply because of your experiences as a child, you turned your biggest shortcoming into your biggest superpower.

oh, so you brought people together? I was like, oh yeah, I guess I did. He's like, well, what's your business now? And we were laughing. It's like, it's called commune. It's like, I bring people together. He's like, that is the thread of your life. Because you value belonging so deeply because of your experiences as a child, you turned your biggest shortcoming into your biggest superpower.

oh, so you brought people together? I was like, oh yeah, I guess I did. He's like, well, what's your business now? And we were laughing. It's like, it's called commune. It's like, I bring people together. He's like, that is the thread of your life. Because you value belonging so deeply because of your experiences as a child, you turned your biggest shortcoming into your biggest superpower.

You bring people together. You have to embrace that now. And that was a pretty beautiful eye-opening experience.

You bring people together. You have to embrace that now. And that was a pretty beautiful eye-opening experience.

You bring people together. You have to embrace that now. And that was a pretty beautiful eye-opening experience.

You can get it cognitively, but then when you feel it somatically, when you embody that, it's a different form of satori or catharsis.

You can get it cognitively, but then when you feel it somatically, when you embody that, it's a different form of satori or catharsis.

You can get it cognitively, but then when you feel it somatically, when you embody that, it's a different form of satori or catharsis.

I'm apt to go for a hike generally before I have a podcast, for example, to clear my head. And every once in a while on that little serpentine path, I'll run into like a rattlesnake or a coyote, right? And I have a very, very natural adaptive response to stress. I see the rattlesnake on the path. What happens, right? I have a bottom-up response. My heart rate and my respiratory rate increase.

I'm apt to go for a hike generally before I have a podcast, for example, to clear my head. And every once in a while on that little serpentine path, I'll run into like a rattlesnake or a coyote, right? And I have a very, very natural adaptive response to stress. I see the rattlesnake on the path. What happens, right? I have a bottom-up response. My heart rate and my respiratory rate increase.

I'm apt to go for a hike generally before I have a podcast, for example, to clear my head. And every once in a while on that little serpentine path, I'll run into like a rattlesnake or a coyote, right? And I have a very, very natural adaptive response to stress. I see the rattlesnake on the path. What happens, right? I have a bottom-up response. My heart rate and my respiratory rate increase.

Totally. And then it was also not completely understanding my own physiology. I mean, I remember sitting down with a Dr. William Lee, who I'm sure you've known. I was like, yeah, well, you know, well, I just have bad metabolism. And he's like sort of smiling at me. And he's like, no, no, no. The variation between people's metabolism on a genetic basis is really, really small.

Totally. And then it was also not completely understanding my own physiology. I mean, I remember sitting down with a Dr. William Lee, who I'm sure you've known. I was like, yeah, well, you know, well, I just have bad metabolism. And he's like sort of smiling at me. And he's like, no, no, no. The variation between people's metabolism on a genetic basis is really, really small.

Totally. And then it was also not completely understanding my own physiology. I mean, I remember sitting down with a Dr. William Lee, who I'm sure you've known. I was like, yeah, well, you know, well, I just have bad metabolism. And he's like sort of smiling at me. And he's like, no, no, no. The variation between people's metabolism on a genetic basis is really, really small.

And that our metabolism naturally doesn't really decline very much at all between ages of 20 and 60. It's actually the accumulation of fat and other things like that that actually then hurt metabolism. But just from a genetic perspective, you know, you got to lose that narrative. Like let that little meme of I have bad metabolism just disappear from your consciousness. And so that was helpful.

And that our metabolism naturally doesn't really decline very much at all between ages of 20 and 60. It's actually the accumulation of fat and other things like that that actually then hurt metabolism. But just from a genetic perspective, you know, you got to lose that narrative. Like let that little meme of I have bad metabolism just disappear from your consciousness. And so that was helpful.

And that our metabolism naturally doesn't really decline very much at all between ages of 20 and 60. It's actually the accumulation of fat and other things like that that actually then hurt metabolism. But just from a genetic perspective, you know, you got to lose that narrative. Like let that little meme of I have bad metabolism just disappear from your consciousness. And so that was helpful.

And then there was like a bunch of candidly like a spiritual part of my journey that kind of converged with this curiosity around my physiology. And it was the bridging of that, of the mystical and the medical, that I guess propelled a lot of other awakenings in me. You know, this notion, this Buddhist notion, that all we are really is change, that everything is impermanent.

And then there was like a bunch of candidly like a spiritual part of my journey that kind of converged with this curiosity around my physiology. And it was the bridging of that, of the mystical and the medical, that I guess propelled a lot of other awakenings in me. You know, this notion, this Buddhist notion, that all we are really is change, that everything is impermanent.

And then there was like a bunch of candidly like a spiritual part of my journey that kind of converged with this curiosity around my physiology. And it was the bridging of that, of the mystical and the medical, that I guess propelled a lot of other awakenings in me. You know, this notion, this Buddhist notion, that all we are really is change, that everything is impermanent.

And so clinging or craving to anything is always just going to result in a lot of dukkha, you know, suffering and dissatisfaction. But as applied to human physiology, That really violated my sense of self. I wake up in the morning and I look at Jeff in the mirror and I'm like, there's Jeff. He's a stable, reliable thing. He doesn't really change. He looks more or less the way he looked yesterday.

And so clinging or craving to anything is always just going to result in a lot of dukkha, you know, suffering and dissatisfaction. But as applied to human physiology, That really violated my sense of self. I wake up in the morning and I look at Jeff in the mirror and I'm like, there's Jeff. He's a stable, reliable thing. He doesn't really change. He looks more or less the way he looked yesterday.

And so clinging or craving to anything is always just going to result in a lot of dukkha, you know, suffering and dissatisfaction. But as applied to human physiology, That really violated my sense of self. I wake up in the morning and I look at Jeff in the mirror and I'm like, there's Jeff. He's a stable, reliable thing. He doesn't really change. He looks more or less the way he looked yesterday.

So there is a sense of self that is really anchored in physical continuity. But as I started to learn more about human physiology, I was like, nothing could be less true. You know, what we are are seven octillion self-assembled atoms having 37 billion billion chemical reactions per second. Literally, all we are is change. I mean, I'm not the same guy that sat down here 20 minutes ago with you.

So there is a sense of self that is really anchored in physical continuity. But as I started to learn more about human physiology, I was like, nothing could be less true. You know, what we are are seven octillion self-assembled atoms having 37 billion billion chemical reactions per second. Literally, all we are is change. I mean, I'm not the same guy that sat down here 20 minutes ago with you.

So there is a sense of self that is really anchored in physical continuity. But as I started to learn more about human physiology, I was like, nothing could be less true. You know, what we are are seven octillion self-assembled atoms having 37 billion billion chemical reactions per second. Literally, all we are is change. I mean, I'm not the same guy that sat down here 20 minutes ago with you.

And really awakening to the fact that I am process and not product was incredibly empowering because that also means that disease is a process. And so if health exists on this spectrum between sort of wholeness, if you will, and disease, I started to feel a tremendous amount of agency around my trajectory on that spectrum.

And really awakening to the fact that I am process and not product was incredibly empowering because that also means that disease is a process. And so if health exists on this spectrum between sort of wholeness, if you will, and disease, I started to feel a tremendous amount of agency around my trajectory on that spectrum.

And really awakening to the fact that I am process and not product was incredibly empowering because that also means that disease is a process. And so if health exists on this spectrum between sort of wholeness, if you will, and disease, I started to feel a tremendous amount of agency around my trajectory on that spectrum.

I could be moving towards wholeness, that is the process of healing, or moving towards disease, the process of ailing. And we have way more agency over our direction than I think we've ever thought before.

I could be moving towards wholeness, that is the process of healing, or moving towards disease, the process of ailing. And we have way more agency over our direction than I think we've ever thought before.

I could be moving towards wholeness, that is the process of healing, or moving towards disease, the process of ailing. And we have way more agency over our direction than I think we've ever thought before.

My liver secretes just the right amount of glucose to center my extremities to fight or flee. My pupils dilate. The aperture of my attention becomes super, super tight. I become... self-obsessed and distrust the world. And that's all for good reason, because that serves my biological imperative to survive. And of course, we inherited this mechanism from our hunter-gatherer ancestors.

My liver secretes just the right amount of glucose to center my extremities to fight or flee. My pupils dilate. The aperture of my attention becomes super, super tight. I become... self-obsessed and distrust the world. And that's all for good reason, because that serves my biological imperative to survive. And of course, we inherited this mechanism from our hunter-gatherer ancestors.

My liver secretes just the right amount of glucose to center my extremities to fight or flee. My pupils dilate. The aperture of my attention becomes super, super tight. I become... self-obsessed and distrust the world. And that's all for good reason, because that serves my biological imperative to survive. And of course, we inherited this mechanism from our hunter-gatherer ancestors.

I want to just add one more thing about fasting. Yeah. Because there's obviously physical benefits to fasting, but what I found was the most potent benefit of fasting actually might be psychological. Because even though I condensed my consumption of food in that eight-hour window, doesn't mean that I didn't have a hankering for some chips or something at 9 p.m.

I want to just add one more thing about fasting. Yeah. Because there's obviously physical benefits to fasting, but what I found was the most potent benefit of fasting actually might be psychological. Because even though I condensed my consumption of food in that eight-hour window, doesn't mean that I didn't have a hankering for some chips or something at 9 p.m.

I want to just add one more thing about fasting. Yeah. Because there's obviously physical benefits to fasting, but what I found was the most potent benefit of fasting actually might be psychological. Because even though I condensed my consumption of food in that eight-hour window, doesn't mean that I didn't have a hankering for some chips or something at 9 p.m.

And so, but I became completely committed. And like I said, I was a disciple to that practice. So instead of mindlessly wandering off to the pantry or the refrigerator to get some crackers and cheese or whatever, I would actually have to stop and witness the nature of the hunger and actually ask myself, is the origin of this stimulus, of this hunger, a biological need or a psychological desire?

And so, but I became completely committed. And like I said, I was a disciple to that practice. So instead of mindlessly wandering off to the pantry or the refrigerator to get some crackers and cheese or whatever, I would actually have to stop and witness the nature of the hunger and actually ask myself, is the origin of this stimulus, of this hunger, a biological need or a psychological desire?

And so, but I became completely committed. And like I said, I was a disciple to that practice. So instead of mindlessly wandering off to the pantry or the refrigerator to get some crackers and cheese or whatever, I would actually have to stop and witness the nature of the hunger and actually ask myself, is the origin of this stimulus, of this hunger, a biological need or a psychological desire?

And I really had to be honest and untangle that. And 99.99% of the time, it was a desire and not a need. I've got plenty of warehouse energy here for existence for a while. I was essentially eating my feelings. And I think this is what actually contributes to our 45% obesity rate that we have now in the United States is that we are so psychologically triggered so much of the time.

And I really had to be honest and untangle that. And 99.99% of the time, it was a desire and not a need. I've got plenty of warehouse energy here for existence for a while. I was essentially eating my feelings. And I think this is what actually contributes to our 45% obesity rate that we have now in the United States is that we are so psychologically triggered so much of the time.

And I really had to be honest and untangle that. And 99.99% of the time, it was a desire and not a need. I've got plenty of warehouse energy here for existence for a while. I was essentially eating my feelings. And I think this is what actually contributes to our 45% obesity rate that we have now in the United States is that we are so psychologically triggered so much of the time.

And you combine that with the always availability of of calories. And then what do you get? You get a really, really disturbing obesity rate. But for me, what I found was the untangling of this, my hunger between this kind of biological need and psychological desire gave me a certain kind of space. in which to make better decisions.

And you combine that with the always availability of of calories. And then what do you get? You get a really, really disturbing obesity rate. But for me, what I found was the untangling of this, my hunger between this kind of biological need and psychological desire gave me a certain kind of space. in which to make better decisions.

And you combine that with the always availability of of calories. And then what do you get? You get a really, really disturbing obesity rate. But for me, what I found was the untangling of this, my hunger between this kind of biological need and psychological desire gave me a certain kind of space. in which to make better decisions.

Like Viktor Frankl famously said, between stimulus and response, there is a space. Inside that space, there's a choice. And in that choice lies our freedom and our liberation. Well, that stimulus, in this case, the hunger and the space I found between that and the response, like just mindlessly going to the fridge, like started to enhance my ability in other parts of my life.

Like Viktor Frankl famously said, between stimulus and response, there is a space. Inside that space, there's a choice. And in that choice lies our freedom and our liberation. Well, that stimulus, in this case, the hunger and the space I found between that and the response, like just mindlessly going to the fridge, like started to enhance my ability in other parts of my life.

Like Viktor Frankl famously said, between stimulus and response, there is a space. Inside that space, there's a choice. And in that choice lies our freedom and our liberation. Well, that stimulus, in this case, the hunger and the space I found between that and the response, like just mindlessly going to the fridge, like started to enhance my ability in other parts of my life.

And it began to sort of punctuate a certain kind of emotional equipoise that I would have in other situations, like when someone would insult me online or when my children would inevitably try to aggravate me or any other stressful thing that came into my life. I just had a little bit of space, a little pause available to me. And that was a very surprising benefit of fasting.

And it began to sort of punctuate a certain kind of emotional equipoise that I would have in other situations, like when someone would insult me online or when my children would inevitably try to aggravate me or any other stressful thing that came into my life. I just had a little bit of space, a little pause available to me. And that was a very surprising benefit of fasting.

And it began to sort of punctuate a certain kind of emotional equipoise that I would have in other situations, like when someone would insult me online or when my children would inevitably try to aggravate me or any other stressful thing that came into my life. I just had a little bit of space, a little pause available to me. And that was a very surprising benefit of fasting.

The problem in modern society is the rattlesnake never leaves the path for so many people. So we're in this chronic state of agitation.

The problem in modern society is the rattlesnake never leaves the path for so many people. So we're in this chronic state of agitation.

The problem in modern society is the rattlesnake never leaves the path for so many people. So we're in this chronic state of agitation.

So fasting isn't just physical, it's actually psychological too.

So fasting isn't just physical, it's actually psychological too.

So fasting isn't just physical, it's actually psychological too.

Specifically as it pertains to fasting? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously there are women who've been incredibly influential on my health journey. In fact, I would say... primarily the biggest influences on my health journey have been female, like Dr. Casey Means, Dr. Sarah Godfrey, Dr. Mindy Pelz. Mindy, for example, has written a number of very, very well-researched books on women and fasting.

Specifically as it pertains to fasting? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously there are women who've been incredibly influential on my health journey. In fact, I would say... primarily the biggest influences on my health journey have been female, like Dr. Casey Means, Dr. Sarah Godfrey, Dr. Mindy Pelz. Mindy, for example, has written a number of very, very well-researched books on women and fasting.

Specifically as it pertains to fasting? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously there are women who've been incredibly influential on my health journey. In fact, I would say... primarily the biggest influences on my health journey have been female, like Dr. Casey Means, Dr. Sarah Godfrey, Dr. Mindy Pelz. Mindy, for example, has written a number of very, very well-researched books on women and fasting.

I think Eat Like a Girl is one of them. And so I would qualify fasting for women. I think that if you're In menopause, or if you're menstruating, I think you need to take to do an extra layer of research around when fasting is appropriate for you versus men who don't experience as much hormonal instability, I guess I would say, or change really.

I think Eat Like a Girl is one of them. And so I would qualify fasting for women. I think that if you're In menopause, or if you're menstruating, I think you need to take to do an extra layer of research around when fasting is appropriate for you versus men who don't experience as much hormonal instability, I guess I would say, or change really.

I think Eat Like a Girl is one of them. And so I would qualify fasting for women. I think that if you're In menopause, or if you're menstruating, I think you need to take to do an extra layer of research around when fasting is appropriate for you versus men who don't experience as much hormonal instability, I guess I would say, or change really.

So I know Mindy has like a lot of recommendations around when the best time to fast is, is like for women who are still on their cycle. So, you know, probably not towards the end of the cycle, but I mean, I won't qualify her recommendations actually, because I'll just let people do their own research. But yes, I do think that... Women and men are physiologically different.

So I know Mindy has like a lot of recommendations around when the best time to fast is, is like for women who are still on their cycle. So, you know, probably not towards the end of the cycle, but I mean, I won't qualify her recommendations actually, because I'll just let people do their own research. But yes, I do think that... Women and men are physiologically different.

So I know Mindy has like a lot of recommendations around when the best time to fast is, is like for women who are still on their cycle. So, you know, probably not towards the end of the cycle, but I mean, I won't qualify her recommendations actually, because I'll just let people do their own research. But yes, I do think that... Women and men are physiologically different.

Really for worse, most research until the 90s has been done on men. And certainly the kind of dosages around medications are always geared towards men. And many of the diseases that disproportionately impact women, particularly autoimmune diseases, have gone kind of very like under-researched and under-studied. I mean, the whole world of obstetrics is... in some cases, quite medieval.

Really for worse, most research until the 90s has been done on men. And certainly the kind of dosages around medications are always geared towards men. And many of the diseases that disproportionately impact women, particularly autoimmune diseases, have gone kind of very like under-researched and under-studied. I mean, the whole world of obstetrics is... in some cases, quite medieval.

Really for worse, most research until the 90s has been done on men. And certainly the kind of dosages around medications are always geared towards men. And many of the diseases that disproportionately impact women, particularly autoimmune diseases, have gone kind of very like under-researched and under-studied. I mean, the whole world of obstetrics is... in some cases, quite medieval.

now on the path in laurel canyon above my house what happens after the rattlesnake looks at me and says i don't think jeff will be on the specials menu today right and he slithers back off into the tall grasses well i return to homeostasis right my heart rate and my respiratory rate decrease the aperture my attention opens back up i become more creative and i trust the world again

now on the path in laurel canyon above my house what happens after the rattlesnake looks at me and says i don't think jeff will be on the specials menu today right and he slithers back off into the tall grasses well i return to homeostasis right my heart rate and my respiratory rate decrease the aperture my attention opens back up i become more creative and i trust the world again

now on the path in laurel canyon above my house what happens after the rattlesnake looks at me and says i don't think jeff will be on the specials menu today right and he slithers back off into the tall grasses well i return to homeostasis right my heart rate and my respiratory rate decrease the aperture my attention opens back up i become more creative and i trust the world again

So of course, like given that I live within what I lovingly call my estrogen footprint, you know, I'm very, very supportive of trying to create more platforms for women's health. And obviously we have an event that we have started called Luminescence at Commune that is geared 100% towards that.

So of course, like given that I live within what I lovingly call my estrogen footprint, you know, I'm very, very supportive of trying to create more platforms for women's health. And obviously we have an event that we have started called Luminescence at Commune that is geared 100% towards that.

So of course, like given that I live within what I lovingly call my estrogen footprint, you know, I'm very, very supportive of trying to create more platforms for women's health. And obviously we have an event that we have started called Luminescence at Commune that is geared 100% towards that.

Right.

Right.

Right.

Totally. And I think the more you can understand about the mechanisms of your own physiology, the more you'll be able to play with these protocols on a bio-individual basis. This is why I think it is important to understand a lot of the underlying mechanisms. I know a lot of people are just like, shut up, Jeff, just tell me what the hell to do, you know? And sure, I get it.

Totally. And I think the more you can understand about the mechanisms of your own physiology, the more you'll be able to play with these protocols on a bio-individual basis. This is why I think it is important to understand a lot of the underlying mechanisms. I know a lot of people are just like, shut up, Jeff, just tell me what the hell to do, you know? And sure, I get it.

Totally. And I think the more you can understand about the mechanisms of your own physiology, the more you'll be able to play with these protocols on a bio-individual basis. This is why I think it is important to understand a lot of the underlying mechanisms. I know a lot of people are just like, shut up, Jeff, just tell me what the hell to do, you know? And sure, I get it.

But I think when you understand actually what's happening under the hood and, you know, you're doing a little bit of measuring here and there, I think you start to actually understand your own physiology better. And then you can play with the edges of a lot of these protocols.

But I think when you understand actually what's happening under the hood and, you know, you're doing a little bit of measuring here and there, I think you start to actually understand your own physiology better. And then you can play with the edges of a lot of these protocols.

But I think when you understand actually what's happening under the hood and, you know, you're doing a little bit of measuring here and there, I think you start to actually understand your own physiology better. And then you can play with the edges of a lot of these protocols.

I agree that kind of there's this other side of the equation, which is called orthorexia, where you become completely neurotic and fundamentalist about hitting the goals of all of these different voices that you're hearing out there. And that will, of course, just drive you absolutely crazy. It's not possible.

I agree that kind of there's this other side of the equation, which is called orthorexia, where you become completely neurotic and fundamentalist about hitting the goals of all of these different voices that you're hearing out there. And that will, of course, just drive you absolutely crazy. It's not possible.

I agree that kind of there's this other side of the equation, which is called orthorexia, where you become completely neurotic and fundamentalist about hitting the goals of all of these different voices that you're hearing out there. And that will, of course, just drive you absolutely crazy. It's not possible.

There's always going to be debate about like, well, you have to fast this many hours to get ketosis and this many hours for autophagy and this many, you know, and great. Like those people with that level of expertise, Should be talking about that to understand the more basic, broader 40,000 foot concept, which is that we are over consuming food and growth needs to be relegated.

There's always going to be debate about like, well, you have to fast this many hours to get ketosis and this many hours for autophagy and this many, you know, and great. Like those people with that level of expertise, Should be talking about that to understand the more basic, broader 40,000 foot concept, which is that we are over consuming food and growth needs to be relegated.

There's always going to be debate about like, well, you have to fast this many hours to get ketosis and this many hours for autophagy and this many, you know, and great. Like those people with that level of expertise, Should be talking about that to understand the more basic, broader 40,000 foot concept, which is that we are over consuming food and growth needs to be relegated.

It needs to be balanced by repair. We have, we kind of sanctify growth in our culture at every turn, you know, the GDP, the Dow Jones, whatever, the size of your business, you know, but really we need to balance growth with restoration and repair. And, you know, that applies to food, that applies to sleep, and it can apply to other practices too.

It needs to be balanced by repair. We have, we kind of sanctify growth in our culture at every turn, you know, the GDP, the Dow Jones, whatever, the size of your business, you know, but really we need to balance growth with restoration and repair. And, you know, that applies to food, that applies to sleep, and it can apply to other practices too.

It needs to be balanced by repair. We have, we kind of sanctify growth in our culture at every turn, you know, the GDP, the Dow Jones, whatever, the size of your business, you know, but really we need to balance growth with restoration and repair. And, you know, that applies to food, that applies to sleep, and it can apply to other practices too.

And that is a total natural response, right? I return to the middle. I return to homeostasis. The signature of modernity is that we never find the middle again. We never return to homeostasis. So when you're driving here and you're in traffic and you're looking around and you're seeing people are stressed out, that's because they're in a state of chronic stress.

And that is a total natural response, right? I return to the middle. I return to homeostasis. The signature of modernity is that we never find the middle again. We never return to homeostasis. So when you're driving here and you're in traffic and you're looking around and you're seeing people are stressed out, that's because they're in a state of chronic stress.

And that is a total natural response, right? I return to the middle. I return to homeostasis. The signature of modernity is that we never find the middle again. We never return to homeostasis. So when you're driving here and you're in traffic and you're looking around and you're seeing people are stressed out, that's because they're in a state of chronic stress.

Totally. And this one, again, I think has, there's a gender, a little bit of a gender debate around this one too. But what I found... for me, was a particular protocol stack was unbelievably effective at helping me lose weight and balance blood sugar levels. And that's this stack. So intermittent fasting, we talked about. I was combining intermittent fasting with a low carbohydrate diet.

Totally. And this one, again, I think has, there's a gender, a little bit of a gender debate around this one too. But what I found... for me, was a particular protocol stack was unbelievably effective at helping me lose weight and balance blood sugar levels. And that's this stack. So intermittent fasting, we talked about. I was combining intermittent fasting with a low carbohydrate diet.

Totally. And this one, again, I think has, there's a gender, a little bit of a gender debate around this one too. But what I found... for me, was a particular protocol stack was unbelievably effective at helping me lose weight and balance blood sugar levels. And that's this stack. So intermittent fasting, we talked about. I was combining intermittent fasting with a low carbohydrate diet.

So initially that was kind of what I call the ketotarian diet or what Will Cole wrote a book called Ketotarianism. And that was fairly plant heavy, but low glycemic. Subsequently to that, I started to actually introduce more like regeneratively grown, pasture fed, pasture finished meats, et cetera, to up my protein bolus, particularly in the morning. But let's just say this.

So initially that was kind of what I call the ketotarian diet or what Will Cole wrote a book called Ketotarianism. And that was fairly plant heavy, but low glycemic. Subsequently to that, I started to actually introduce more like regeneratively grown, pasture fed, pasture finished meats, et cetera, to up my protein bolus, particularly in the morning. But let's just say this.

So initially that was kind of what I call the ketotarian diet or what Will Cole wrote a book called Ketotarianism. And that was fairly plant heavy, but low glycemic. Subsequently to that, I started to actually introduce more like regeneratively grown, pasture fed, pasture finished meats, et cetera, to up my protein bolus, particularly in the morning. But let's just say this.

intermittent fasting protocol, low carbohydrate diet, and then introduced a cold water therapy cadenced at a very particular time of day. So I'll unpack why this was so impactful for me. About 10 o'clock in the morning, I would have been fasted for about 15 and a half hours, right? And I would also be on a relatively low carbohydrate diet.

intermittent fasting protocol, low carbohydrate diet, and then introduced a cold water therapy cadenced at a very particular time of day. So I'll unpack why this was so impactful for me. About 10 o'clock in the morning, I would have been fasted for about 15 and a half hours, right? And I would also be on a relatively low carbohydrate diet.

intermittent fasting protocol, low carbohydrate diet, and then introduced a cold water therapy cadenced at a very particular time of day. So I'll unpack why this was so impactful for me. About 10 o'clock in the morning, I would have been fasted for about 15 and a half hours, right? And I would also be on a relatively low carbohydrate diet.

So my blood glucose levels by extension would be quite low. Now there is a little bit of spike with cortisol in the morning and that's adaptive to get you out of bed and get you alert, get you to a podcast. But mostly like my blood glucose levels would be quite low at 10 a.m. due to intermittent fasting and low carb diet.

So my blood glucose levels by extension would be quite low. Now there is a little bit of spike with cortisol in the morning and that's adaptive to get you out of bed and get you alert, get you to a podcast. But mostly like my blood glucose levels would be quite low at 10 a.m. due to intermittent fasting and low carb diet.

So my blood glucose levels by extension would be quite low. Now there is a little bit of spike with cortisol in the morning and that's adaptive to get you out of bed and get you alert, get you to a podcast. But mostly like my blood glucose levels would be quite low at 10 a.m. due to intermittent fasting and low carb diet.

At that juncture, I would get in to an ice bath before I put the first bite of food in my mouth. And I started seeing like unbelievable results with my just metabolic function and my weight loss. And I started to think about it. So at 10 o'clock, my blood glucose levels would be really, really low. I'd get into an ice plunge and what would happen? That'd be the first thing that happened.

At that juncture, I would get in to an ice bath before I put the first bite of food in my mouth. And I started seeing like unbelievable results with my just metabolic function and my weight loss. And I started to think about it. So at 10 o'clock, my blood glucose levels would be really, really low. I'd get into an ice plunge and what would happen? That'd be the first thing that happened.

At that juncture, I would get in to an ice bath before I put the first bite of food in my mouth. And I started seeing like unbelievable results with my just metabolic function and my weight loss. And I started to think about it. So at 10 o'clock, my blood glucose levels would be really, really low. I'd get into an ice plunge and what would happen? That'd be the first thing that happened.

I'd take a big gasp, but my core body temperature would plummet, right? And then my mighty mitochondria would go into overdrive. to heat my body back up, to thermoregulate back up into that warm porridge of 98.6. Get back into the Goldilocks zone. That's what the body's engineered for all the time. Homeostasis, homeostasis.

I'd take a big gasp, but my core body temperature would plummet, right? And then my mighty mitochondria would go into overdrive. to heat my body back up, to thermoregulate back up into that warm porridge of 98.6. Get back into the Goldilocks zone. That's what the body's engineered for all the time. Homeostasis, homeostasis.

I'd take a big gasp, but my core body temperature would plummet, right? And then my mighty mitochondria would go into overdrive. to heat my body back up, to thermoregulate back up into that warm porridge of 98.6. Get back into the Goldilocks zone. That's what the body's engineered for all the time. Homeostasis, homeostasis.

But then my mitochondria would look around and say, I need an energy substrate in order to make heat to get Jeff back up to 98.6. but there's not a lot of glucose around. So what are my options? Fat, oxidized fat, convert triglycerides into free fatty acids to use in my brown fat, particularly to upregulate my body temperature. And I started to just burn fat like crazy.

But then my mitochondria would look around and say, I need an energy substrate in order to make heat to get Jeff back up to 98.6. but there's not a lot of glucose around. So what are my options? Fat, oxidized fat, convert triglycerides into free fatty acids to use in my brown fat, particularly to upregulate my body temperature. And I started to just burn fat like crazy.

But then my mitochondria would look around and say, I need an energy substrate in order to make heat to get Jeff back up to 98.6. but there's not a lot of glucose around. So what are my options? Fat, oxidized fat, convert triglycerides into free fatty acids to use in my brown fat, particularly to upregulate my body temperature. And I started to just burn fat like crazy.

And we know just like hormonally, for example, that chronic stress is going to lead to all sorts of different kinds of disease. So chronic stress, again, adaptively activates the liver, for example, to secrete glucose into the bloodstream. That is totally adaptive, but you don't want high levels of glucose in your bloodstream all of the time, right?

And we know just like hormonally, for example, that chronic stress is going to lead to all sorts of different kinds of disease. So chronic stress, again, adaptively activates the liver, for example, to secrete glucose into the bloodstream. That is totally adaptive, but you don't want high levels of glucose in your bloodstream all of the time, right?

And we know just like hormonally, for example, that chronic stress is going to lead to all sorts of different kinds of disease. So chronic stress, again, adaptively activates the liver, for example, to secrete glucose into the bloodstream. That is totally adaptive, but you don't want high levels of glucose in your bloodstream all of the time, right?

And, you know, as I started to stack those protocols together, just purely for weight loss, I lost really 40 pounds in a couple of months. So I know that cold water therapy has pros and cons for different people. I know some people absolutely abhor it. Count me in that group, even though I do it every day.

And, you know, as I started to stack those protocols together, just purely for weight loss, I lost really 40 pounds in a couple of months. So I know that cold water therapy has pros and cons for different people. I know some people absolutely abhor it. Count me in that group, even though I do it every day.

And, you know, as I started to stack those protocols together, just purely for weight loss, I lost really 40 pounds in a couple of months. So I know that cold water therapy has pros and cons for different people. I know some people absolutely abhor it. Count me in that group, even though I do it every day.

I mean, I was one of these people that would go into like paroxysms of anxiety, just like looking at a cold lake, you know, whatever. But over time I acclimated myself to that practice, um, There's all these other benefits to it, psychological benefits that I think are quite astonishing. There's also mood regulation. There's a secretion and production of a lot of dopamine, et cetera.

I mean, I was one of these people that would go into like paroxysms of anxiety, just like looking at a cold lake, you know, whatever. But over time I acclimated myself to that practice, um, There's all these other benefits to it, psychological benefits that I think are quite astonishing. There's also mood regulation. There's a secretion and production of a lot of dopamine, et cetera.

I mean, I was one of these people that would go into like paroxysms of anxiety, just like looking at a cold lake, you know, whatever. But over time I acclimated myself to that practice, um, There's all these other benefits to it, psychological benefits that I think are quite astonishing. There's also mood regulation. There's a secretion and production of a lot of dopamine, et cetera.

But I found that for me, this was a very, very highly effective protocol.

But I found that for me, this was a very, very highly effective protocol.

But I found that for me, this was a very, very highly effective protocol.

Right. Well, again, because I started to understand the underlying mechanism of what was happening. I mean, I could measure my blood glucose at 10 a.m. It was low, you know, 70s, maybe 80s. And so I'm just trying to put one and one together and just report on my own. I get it. I think that we should do those studies.

Right. Well, again, because I started to understand the underlying mechanism of what was happening. I mean, I could measure my blood glucose at 10 a.m. It was low, you know, 70s, maybe 80s. And so I'm just trying to put one and one together and just report on my own. I get it. I think that we should do those studies.

Right. Well, again, because I started to understand the underlying mechanism of what was happening. I mean, I could measure my blood glucose at 10 a.m. It was low, you know, 70s, maybe 80s. And so I'm just trying to put one and one together and just report on my own. I get it. I think that we should do those studies.

Yeah. Sid Mukherjee, who wrote The Emperor of All Maladies. And if anyone wants to read a book about cancer, which is not always the most uplifting topic. It is one of the most beautifully written books ever really on any topic. But yeah, this, this idea of the Warburg effect with, with cancer.

Yeah. Sid Mukherjee, who wrote The Emperor of All Maladies. And if anyone wants to read a book about cancer, which is not always the most uplifting topic. It is one of the most beautifully written books ever really on any topic. But yeah, this, this idea of the Warburg effect with, with cancer.

Yeah. Sid Mukherjee, who wrote The Emperor of All Maladies. And if anyone wants to read a book about cancer, which is not always the most uplifting topic. It is one of the most beautifully written books ever really on any topic. But yeah, this, this idea of the Warburg effect with, with cancer.

So, you know, which is like, like essentially a dysfunction around glycolysis, anaerobic respiration that leads to the proliferation of these malignant cells and a lot of metastasis. If you can quote unquote sort of starve that of glucose, there could be something there. So I think it's like doing some of these studies that combine the,

So, you know, which is like, like essentially a dysfunction around glycolysis, anaerobic respiration that leads to the proliferation of these malignant cells and a lot of metastasis. If you can quote unquote sort of starve that of glucose, there could be something there. So I think it's like doing some of these studies that combine the,

So, you know, which is like, like essentially a dysfunction around glycolysis, anaerobic respiration that leads to the proliferation of these malignant cells and a lot of metastasis. If you can quote unquote sort of starve that of glucose, there could be something there. So I think it's like doing some of these studies that combine the,

you know, fasting techniques with chemo or fasting with other forms of immunotherapies. You know, I think these are fascinating and much needed. Have you ever interviewed Thomas Seyfried?

you know, fasting techniques with chemo or fasting with other forms of immunotherapies. You know, I think these are fascinating and much needed. Have you ever interviewed Thomas Seyfried?

you know, fasting techniques with chemo or fasting with other forms of immunotherapies. You know, I think these are fascinating and much needed. Have you ever interviewed Thomas Seyfried?

Because that leads to prediabetes and diabetes and insulin resistance. You don't want high levels of cortisol also because it degrades immune function. It actually lowers the production of certain kinds of innate immune cells like neutrophils and macrophages, et cetera. It also degrades gut function over time.

Because that leads to prediabetes and diabetes and insulin resistance. You don't want high levels of cortisol also because it degrades immune function. It actually lowers the production of certain kinds of innate immune cells like neutrophils and macrophages, et cetera. It also degrades gut function over time.

Because that leads to prediabetes and diabetes and insulin resistance. You don't want high levels of cortisol also because it degrades immune function. It actually lowers the production of certain kinds of innate immune cells like neutrophils and macrophages, et cetera. It also degrades gut function over time.

Okay. I got to listen to that.

Okay. I got to listen to that.

Okay. I got to listen to that.

I mean, these are very important anecdotes because sometimes it is these outliers that then lead to more clinical study, right? So like, for example, Jimmy Carter, I believe, had like brain cancer, some sort of glioblastoma. He had this immunotherapy, which...

I mean, these are very important anecdotes because sometimes it is these outliers that then lead to more clinical study, right? So like, for example, Jimmy Carter, I believe, had like brain cancer, some sort of glioblastoma. He had this immunotherapy, which...

I mean, these are very important anecdotes because sometimes it is these outliers that then lead to more clinical study, right? So like, for example, Jimmy Carter, I believe, had like brain cancer, some sort of glioblastoma. He had this immunotherapy, which...

I believe was with the application of like a Keytruda, but then in combination with a particular probiotic, I believe this was true for Jimmy Carter, but it is definitely true now for treating some forms of cancer that immunotherapy plus like acromantia, which is a particular strain of bacteria, a beneficial strain, actually yields better results.

I believe was with the application of like a Keytruda, but then in combination with a particular probiotic, I believe this was true for Jimmy Carter, but it is definitely true now for treating some forms of cancer that immunotherapy plus like acromantia, which is a particular strain of bacteria, a beneficial strain, actually yields better results.

I believe was with the application of like a Keytruda, but then in combination with a particular probiotic, I believe this was true for Jimmy Carter, but it is definitely true now for treating some forms of cancer that immunotherapy plus like acromantia, which is a particular strain of bacteria, a beneficial strain, actually yields better results.

It creates dysbiosis and eventually intestinal permeability, which leads to chronic inflammation, et cetera. So this is the problem in the modern age is chronic stress. And I feel like I'm sort of a PR agent now for stress because stress doesn't have to be chronic. If you learn how to manage it, if you learn how to emotionally regulate, then in many cases, You can manage stress.

It creates dysbiosis and eventually intestinal permeability, which leads to chronic inflammation, et cetera. So this is the problem in the modern age is chronic stress. And I feel like I'm sort of a PR agent now for stress because stress doesn't have to be chronic. If you learn how to manage it, if you learn how to emotionally regulate, then in many cases, You can manage stress.

It creates dysbiosis and eventually intestinal permeability, which leads to chronic inflammation, et cetera. So this is the problem in the modern age is chronic stress. And I feel like I'm sort of a PR agent now for stress because stress doesn't have to be chronic. If you learn how to manage it, if you learn how to emotionally regulate, then in many cases, You can manage stress.

And so now I think they're starting to do more studies about combining immunotherapies with the right kinds of probiotics, et cetera. So this is like, you know, this is the new frontier. This is actually where AI can become very, very interesting too.

And so now I think they're starting to do more studies about combining immunotherapies with the right kinds of probiotics, et cetera. So this is like, you know, this is the new frontier. This is actually where AI can become very, very interesting too.

And so now I think they're starting to do more studies about combining immunotherapies with the right kinds of probiotics, et cetera. So this is like, you know, this is the new frontier. This is actually where AI can become very, very interesting too.

That's not my, obviously my field of expertise, but I think when you start to be able to, you know, use these large models to crunch that kind of data, this is, I think more, one of the most exciting sort of precipices of where we are.

That's not my, obviously my field of expertise, but I think when you start to be able to, you know, use these large models to crunch that kind of data, this is, I think more, one of the most exciting sort of precipices of where we are.

That's not my, obviously my field of expertise, but I think when you start to be able to, you know, use these large models to crunch that kind of data, this is, I think more, one of the most exciting sort of precipices of where we are.

Yeah, I mean, I'm generally an optimistic human being, so I'm trying to leverage that part of me. I'm worried more about, I think, general epistemology and sort of the erosion of reason and rationality and the ability to have kind of nuanced, thoughtful conversations. We live in this attention or persuasion economy, I guess you might call it, where essentially we've taken Drew's time and focus.

Yeah, I mean, I'm generally an optimistic human being, so I'm trying to leverage that part of me. I'm worried more about, I think, general epistemology and sort of the erosion of reason and rationality and the ability to have kind of nuanced, thoughtful conversations. We live in this attention or persuasion economy, I guess you might call it, where essentially we've taken Drew's time and focus.

Yeah, I mean, I'm generally an optimistic human being, so I'm trying to leverage that part of me. I'm worried more about, I think, general epistemology and sort of the erosion of reason and rationality and the ability to have kind of nuanced, thoughtful conversations. We live in this attention or persuasion economy, I guess you might call it, where essentially we've taken Drew's time and focus.

I mean, everybody's time and focus and we've productized it and commodified it and we buy it and sell it. And for better or worse, you know, we all exist on social media or we, we all consume a lot of 24 hour news, whether many of us try to avoid it, but that is essentially algorithmically preferenced for salaciousness and scandal and hyperbole, et cetera.

I mean, everybody's time and focus and we've productized it and commodified it and we buy it and sell it. And for better or worse, you know, we all exist on social media or we, we all consume a lot of 24 hour news, whether many of us try to avoid it, but that is essentially algorithmically preferenced for salaciousness and scandal and hyperbole, et cetera.

I mean, everybody's time and focus and we've productized it and commodified it and we buy it and sell it. And for better or worse, you know, we all exist on social media or we, we all consume a lot of 24 hour news, whether many of us try to avoid it, but that is essentially algorithmically preferenced for salaciousness and scandal and hyperbole, et cetera.

And so we have these agitated nervous systems as part of this bigger kind of non-consensual system. psychological experiment of this attention economy. And that really does worry me because it tends to amplify the least rigorous voices and the voices that tend to not really value nuance or common ground or really any effort at sort of finding the middle.

And so we have these agitated nervous systems as part of this bigger kind of non-consensual system. psychological experiment of this attention economy. And that really does worry me because it tends to amplify the least rigorous voices and the voices that tend to not really value nuance or common ground or really any effort at sort of finding the middle.

And so we have these agitated nervous systems as part of this bigger kind of non-consensual system. psychological experiment of this attention economy. And that really does worry me because it tends to amplify the least rigorous voices and the voices that tend to not really value nuance or common ground or really any effort at sort of finding the middle.

So that is a concern of mine, because I think what we've seen is erosion and just basic epistemology. Certainly, we've seen a lot of erosion in trust of the institutions of liberal democracy that have long kept us semi-stable. And in many cases, those institutions have done a lot of insult and embarrassment to themselves.

So that is a concern of mine, because I think what we've seen is erosion and just basic epistemology. Certainly, we've seen a lot of erosion in trust of the institutions of liberal democracy that have long kept us semi-stable. And in many cases, those institutions have done a lot of insult and embarrassment to themselves.

So that is a concern of mine, because I think what we've seen is erosion and just basic epistemology. Certainly, we've seen a lot of erosion in trust of the institutions of liberal democracy that have long kept us semi-stable. And in many cases, those institutions have done a lot of insult and embarrassment to themselves.

I mean, I'm talking about, you know, media, government, institutions of higher learning, certainly food system, pharma, et cetera, you know, A lot of these institutions have really done a lot to undermine public trust in them.

I mean, I'm talking about, you know, media, government, institutions of higher learning, certainly food system, pharma, et cetera, you know, A lot of these institutions have really done a lot to undermine public trust in them.

I mean, I'm talking about, you know, media, government, institutions of higher learning, certainly food system, pharma, et cetera, you know, A lot of these institutions have really done a lot to undermine public trust in them.

And yet at the same time, there is so many sort of misaligned incentives or perverse incentives to continue to sort of burn down these institutions instead of actually making them better. And this does concern me because I don't really know what's on the other side of liberal democracy.

And yet at the same time, there is so many sort of misaligned incentives or perverse incentives to continue to sort of burn down these institutions instead of actually making them better. And this does concern me because I don't really know what's on the other side of liberal democracy.

And yet at the same time, there is so many sort of misaligned incentives or perverse incentives to continue to sort of burn down these institutions instead of actually making them better. And this does concern me because I don't really know what's on the other side of liberal democracy.

You know, I don't hear a lot of really thoughtful, cogent alternatives to it, you know, outside of, you know, tyranny and despotism and kleptocracy, et cetera, which I feel we're sort of like on the quasi verge of at this very moment. So Yeah. That's a complicated answer.

You know, I don't hear a lot of really thoughtful, cogent alternatives to it, you know, outside of, you know, tyranny and despotism and kleptocracy, et cetera, which I feel we're sort of like on the quasi verge of at this very moment. So Yeah. That's a complicated answer.

You know, I don't hear a lot of really thoughtful, cogent alternatives to it, you know, outside of, you know, tyranny and despotism and kleptocracy, et cetera, which I feel we're sort of like on the quasi verge of at this very moment. So Yeah. That's a complicated answer.

I'm really dedicated to creating a platform and a true marketplace of ideas where the best and most thoughtful ideas can cream to the top, if you will. I really support that kind of

I'm really dedicated to creating a platform and a true marketplace of ideas where the best and most thoughtful ideas can cream to the top, if you will. I really support that kind of

I'm really dedicated to creating a platform and a true marketplace of ideas where the best and most thoughtful ideas can cream to the top, if you will. I really support that kind of

And in some cases, stress can actually be your friend and confer beneficial results.

And in some cases, stress can actually be your friend and confer beneficial results.

And in some cases, stress can actually be your friend and confer beneficial results.

freedom to have those difficult stressful thorny conversations that tend to yield the best and most reasoned ideas and i'm not sure we're really having them as a culture right now what i see is sort of a a sprint to the thinnest edges of the branch on all sides you know we tend to be more and more and more extreme and when i look at healthy systems whether they are

freedom to have those difficult stressful thorny conversations that tend to yield the best and most reasoned ideas and i'm not sure we're really having them as a culture right now what i see is sort of a a sprint to the thinnest edges of the branch on all sides you know we tend to be more and more and more extreme and when i look at healthy systems whether they are

freedom to have those difficult stressful thorny conversations that tend to yield the best and most reasoned ideas and i'm not sure we're really having them as a culture right now what i see is sort of a a sprint to the thinnest edges of the branch on all sides you know we tend to be more and more and more extreme and when i look at healthy systems whether they are

Economic or political or physiological or psychological, I think the signature of well-being and health is homeostasis. It's finding balance. It's finding the middle. So when I look at systems that are pushing to the edges of the extremes, that seems to indicate to me that there's a lot of dis-ease there.

Economic or political or physiological or psychological, I think the signature of well-being and health is homeostasis. It's finding balance. It's finding the middle. So when I look at systems that are pushing to the edges of the extremes, that seems to indicate to me that there's a lot of dis-ease there.

Economic or political or physiological or psychological, I think the signature of well-being and health is homeostasis. It's finding balance. It's finding the middle. So when I look at systems that are pushing to the edges of the extremes, that seems to indicate to me that there's a lot of dis-ease there.

Cool. Well, introduce me to some.

Cool. Well, introduce me to some.

Cool. Well, introduce me to some.

Me too. I can't believe that these kinds of conversations around chronic disease are in the zeitgeist right now. They're fully mainstreamed, where like two years ago, three years ago, you know, we were out there picketing like, hey, pay attention to us. It's really cool to pick up

Me too. I can't believe that these kinds of conversations around chronic disease are in the zeitgeist right now. They're fully mainstreamed, where like two years ago, three years ago, you know, we were out there picketing like, hey, pay attention to us. It's really cool to pick up

Me too. I can't believe that these kinds of conversations around chronic disease are in the zeitgeist right now. They're fully mainstreamed, where like two years ago, three years ago, you know, we were out there picketing like, hey, pay attention to us. It's really cool to pick up

know any media but like i see the new york times every day pretty much has some you know sort of feature on one of these things and and obviously other more independent media is very very focused on it and i think that that's a really a great thing i just get concerned around sort of faustian bargains you know that all of a sudden the only way you can actually make change around

know any media but like i see the new york times every day pretty much has some you know sort of feature on one of these things and and obviously other more independent media is very very focused on it and i think that that's a really a great thing i just get concerned around sort of faustian bargains you know that all of a sudden the only way you can actually make change around

know any media but like i see the new york times every day pretty much has some you know sort of feature on one of these things and and obviously other more independent media is very very focused on it and i think that that's a really a great thing i just get concerned around sort of faustian bargains you know that all of a sudden the only way you can actually make change around

you know, food systems is to also think that to embrace people that think that like climate change is a hoax or something. So this is the problem.

you know, food systems is to also think that to embrace people that think that like climate change is a hoax or something. So this is the problem.

you know, food systems is to also think that to embrace people that think that like climate change is a hoax or something. So this is the problem.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm in, I get it.

I'm in, I get it.

I'm in, I get it.

Part of the research of this book was just intellectual curiosity, but the other part was really necessity. I was diagnosed with a chronic disease in 2019. And I was very, very overweight. I was 210 pounds. So I lost about 50 to 60 pounds with a lot of research and end of one experimentation, et cetera. So fasting and intermittent fasting was a big one for me.

Part of the research of this book was just intellectual curiosity, but the other part was really necessity. I was diagnosed with a chronic disease in 2019. And I was very, very overweight. I was 210 pounds. So I lost about 50 to 60 pounds with a lot of research and end of one experimentation, et cetera. So fasting and intermittent fasting was a big one for me.

Part of the research of this book was just intellectual curiosity, but the other part was really necessity. I was diagnosed with a chronic disease in 2019. And I was very, very overweight. I was 210 pounds. So I lost about 50 to 60 pounds with a lot of research and end of one experimentation, et cetera. So fasting and intermittent fasting was a big one for me.

I believed that for years. Fat makes you fat and sugar is good for you. All these things.

I believed that for years. Fat makes you fat and sugar is good for you. All these things.

I believed that for years. Fat makes you fat and sugar is good for you. All these things.

Yeah. Right. Or that.

Yeah. Right. Or that.

Yeah. Right. Or that.

Yeah, absolutely. Well, first of all, Drew, thanks for having me. You are just such a great friend and you platform so many amazing people. And I'm very grateful to be here. So, yeah, listen, for hundreds of thousands of years, Homo sapiens, and even beyond that for millions of years, hominids have evolved in relationship to their environment. You know, to be alive is to be in relationship.

Yeah, absolutely. Well, first of all, Drew, thanks for having me. You are just such a great friend and you platform so many amazing people. And I'm very grateful to be here. So, yeah, listen, for hundreds of thousands of years, Homo sapiens, and even beyond that for millions of years, hominids have evolved in relationship to their environment. You know, to be alive is to be in relationship.

Yeah, absolutely. Well, first of all, Drew, thanks for having me. You are just such a great friend and you platform so many amazing people. And I'm very grateful to be here. So, yeah, listen, for hundreds of thousands of years, Homo sapiens, and even beyond that for millions of years, hominids have evolved in relationship to their environment. You know, to be alive is to be in relationship.

stress protocols that I actually walked backwards into is very related to this. So obviously I was very focused early on around like physiological stress protocols, many of which we've talked about, fasting, cold therapy, heat therapy, resistance training, light therapy, et cetera. The most difficult stressor, self-imposed stressor was actually psychosocial for me.

stress protocols that I actually walked backwards into is very related to this. So obviously I was very focused early on around like physiological stress protocols, many of which we've talked about, fasting, cold therapy, heat therapy, resistance training, light therapy, et cetera. The most difficult stressor, self-imposed stressor was actually psychosocial for me.

stress protocols that I actually walked backwards into is very related to this. So obviously I was very focused early on around like physiological stress protocols, many of which we've talked about, fasting, cold therapy, heat therapy, resistance training, light therapy, et cetera. The most difficult stressor, self-imposed stressor was actually psychosocial for me.

And in the early days, I was candidly pretty fundamentalist about it because I needed to be because... my fasting blood sugar was 125 milligrams per deciliter. So I was on the very, very top of the pre-diabetic range at the very bottom of the diabetic range. And I was having crazy spikes, you know, up to, you know, 250 milligrams, 300 milligrams per deciliter postprandially.

And in the early days, I was candidly pretty fundamentalist about it because I needed to be because... my fasting blood sugar was 125 milligrams per deciliter. So I was on the very, very top of the pre-diabetic range at the very bottom of the diabetic range. And I was having crazy spikes, you know, up to, you know, 250 milligrams, 300 milligrams per deciliter postprandially.

And in the early days, I was candidly pretty fundamentalist about it because I needed to be because... my fasting blood sugar was 125 milligrams per deciliter. So I was on the very, very top of the pre-diabetic range at the very bottom of the diabetic range. And I was having crazy spikes, you know, up to, you know, 250 milligrams, 300 milligrams per deciliter postprandially.

So I'll just set a little bit of context. And this relates to leaning in to stressful conversations. So at the beginning of 2020, or in March, when we were kind of anchoring into poor lockdown, Jake, who's my co-founder at Commune, he's like, Jeff, you should really write a weekly newsletter. It's like people are feeling very frightened right now. They're very alone.

So I'll just set a little bit of context. And this relates to leaning in to stressful conversations. So at the beginning of 2020, or in March, when we were kind of anchoring into poor lockdown, Jake, who's my co-founder at Commune, he's like, Jeff, you should really write a weekly newsletter. It's like people are feeling very frightened right now. They're very alone.

So I'll just set a little bit of context. And this relates to leaning in to stressful conversations. So at the beginning of 2020, or in March, when we were kind of anchoring into poor lockdown, Jake, who's my co-founder at Commune, he's like, Jeff, you should really write a weekly newsletter. It's like people are feeling very frightened right now. They're very alone.

And they would really benefit from, you know, having something that was rigorously researched every week, but just also like just little buoys of hope, you know, to navigate the choppy waters of COVID. So naively, I agreed to do this. And it was a pretty big email list at that juncture, probably about 1.2 million people. And I was writing an article every Sunday.

And they would really benefit from, you know, having something that was rigorously researched every week, but just also like just little buoys of hope, you know, to navigate the choppy waters of COVID. So naively, I agreed to do this. And it was a pretty big email list at that juncture, probably about 1.2 million people. And I was writing an article every Sunday.

And they would really benefit from, you know, having something that was rigorously researched every week, but just also like just little buoys of hope, you know, to navigate the choppy waters of COVID. So naively, I agreed to do this. And it was a pretty big email list at that juncture, probably about 1.2 million people. And I was writing an article every Sunday.

And so, but pretty significant article, like 1500, 2000 words, something like that. So- And then like three or four weeks and I was like, I'm over a literary barrel. You know, I've got to produce all that content every week. And fortunately for me, but somewhat, unfortunately for, I guess the rest of the world, you know, 2020 provided tons of fodder to talk about, right. And to write about.

And so, but pretty significant article, like 1500, 2000 words, something like that. So- And then like three or four weeks and I was like, I'm over a literary barrel. You know, I've got to produce all that content every week. And fortunately for me, but somewhat, unfortunately for, I guess the rest of the world, you know, 2020 provided tons of fodder to talk about, right. And to write about.

And so, but pretty significant article, like 1500, 2000 words, something like that. So- And then like three or four weeks and I was like, I'm over a literary barrel. You know, I've got to produce all that content every week. And fortunately for me, but somewhat, unfortunately for, I guess the rest of the world, you know, 2020 provided tons of fodder to talk about, right. And to write about.

So I was writing about the most thorny issues, you know, COVID obviously, but also the You know, the reckoning around racial justice in the aftermath of the George Floyd murder and then the election and QAnon and Trumpistan and everything else in between. I was including my personal email on these missives that I would send out every Sunday.

So I was writing about the most thorny issues, you know, COVID obviously, but also the You know, the reckoning around racial justice in the aftermath of the George Floyd murder and then the election and QAnon and Trumpistan and everything else in between. I was including my personal email on these missives that I would send out every Sunday.

So I was writing about the most thorny issues, you know, COVID obviously, but also the You know, the reckoning around racial justice in the aftermath of the George Floyd murder and then the election and QAnon and Trumpistan and everything else in between. I was including my personal email on these missives that I would send out every Sunday.

And Monday morning I would wake up and there would be this like deluge of opprobrium cresting the bow of my inbox. And it wasn't just recrimination. I mean, there was a lot of emails that were just very encouraging and very thankful and very grateful. But I'd probably get a hundred a week of people that just had some problem with me.

And Monday morning I would wake up and there would be this like deluge of opprobrium cresting the bow of my inbox. And it wasn't just recrimination. I mean, there was a lot of emails that were just very encouraging and very thankful and very grateful. But I'd probably get a hundred a week of people that just had some problem with me.

And Monday morning I would wake up and there would be this like deluge of opprobrium cresting the bow of my inbox. And it wasn't just recrimination. I mean, there was a lot of emails that were just very encouraging and very thankful and very grateful. But I'd probably get a hundred a week of people that just had some problem with me.

That over 2000 words or some turn of phrase or some concept would have like insulted them so deeply that they felt the need to reach out and let me know. And they definitely did not hesitate to let me know. And most of these emails were just like full of expletives and there was nothing I could really do about it. But there was often like very thoughtful ones, you know?

That over 2000 words or some turn of phrase or some concept would have like insulted them so deeply that they felt the need to reach out and let me know. And they definitely did not hesitate to let me know. And most of these emails were just like full of expletives and there was nothing I could really do about it. But there was often like very thoughtful ones, you know?

That over 2000 words or some turn of phrase or some concept would have like insulted them so deeply that they felt the need to reach out and let me know. And they definitely did not hesitate to let me know. And most of these emails were just like full of expletives and there was nothing I could really do about it. But there was often like very thoughtful ones, you know?

And I just kind of ground this in like in a very specific example. So like in 2020, like in August, there seemed to be enough data surfacing that, you know, the people that were contracting the disease most severely, you know, ending in hospitalizations or sometimes fatality. tended to be people that had multiple comorbidities or obesity and diabetes prevalence.

And I just kind of ground this in like in a very specific example. So like in 2020, like in August, there seemed to be enough data surfacing that, you know, the people that were contracting the disease most severely, you know, ending in hospitalizations or sometimes fatality. tended to be people that had multiple comorbidities or obesity and diabetes prevalence.

And I just kind of ground this in like in a very specific example. So like in 2020, like in August, there seemed to be enough data surfacing that, you know, the people that were contracting the disease most severely, you know, ending in hospitalizations or sometimes fatality. tended to be people that had multiple comorbidities or obesity and diabetes prevalence.

And obviously that's turned out to be very, very true in retrospect. But even at that time, pretty early on, there seemed to be indication of that. And I was just trying to write a thoughtful essay about where we were. And so I was doing the best research that I could. And I wrote this essay and

And obviously that's turned out to be very, very true in retrospect. But even at that time, pretty early on, there seemed to be indication of that. And I was just trying to write a thoughtful essay about where we were. And so I was doing the best research that I could. And I wrote this essay and

And obviously that's turned out to be very, very true in retrospect. But even at that time, pretty early on, there seemed to be indication of that. And I was just trying to write a thoughtful essay about where we were. And so I was doing the best research that I could. And I wrote this essay and

And man, I really offended a lot of people with that particular essay, because of course, there was also a simultaneous body positivity movement happening at the same time. And so people felt like I was really shaming them for being overweight. And I was just actually writing about the health implications of obesity as it pertained to this particular disease.

And man, I really offended a lot of people with that particular essay, because of course, there was also a simultaneous body positivity movement happening at the same time. And so people felt like I was really shaming them for being overweight. And I was just actually writing about the health implications of obesity as it pertained to this particular disease.

And man, I really offended a lot of people with that particular essay, because of course, there was also a simultaneous body positivity movement happening at the same time. And so people felt like I was really shaming them for being overweight. And I was just actually writing about the health implications of obesity as it pertained to this particular disease.

And I had also written tons about being a chubby kid and like dealing with it and my self-image issues and my self-worth issues. But I offended a lot of people. I would kind of exchange emails with folks. And after like three or four exchanges, I would ask them if they would like to join me on an hour-long Zoom call.

And I had also written tons about being a chubby kid and like dealing with it and my self-image issues and my self-worth issues. But I offended a lot of people. I would kind of exchange emails with folks. And after like three or four exchanges, I would ask them if they would like to join me on an hour-long Zoom call.

And I had also written tons about being a chubby kid and like dealing with it and my self-image issues and my self-worth issues. But I offended a lot of people. I would kind of exchange emails with folks. And after like three or four exchanges, I would ask them if they would like to join me on an hour-long Zoom call.

Individually. It's a lot of time. It was a lot of time. And this is generally what I call my great David Copperfield routine because I made most people disappear at that point. Most people were like, I'm out. But 26 people took me up on it. So in August and September 2020...

Individually. It's a lot of time. It was a lot of time. And this is generally what I call my great David Copperfield routine because I made most people disappear at that point. Most people were like, I'm out. But 26 people took me up on it. So in August and September 2020...

Individually. It's a lot of time. It was a lot of time. And this is generally what I call my great David Copperfield routine because I made most people disappear at that point. Most people were like, I'm out. But 26 people took me up on it. So in August and September 2020...

And so this is why now I wear this little disc on my triceps called a continuous glucose monitor. So fasting was one of the key protocols that I developed for me really early on. And it makes total sense because if you ask yourself the basic question, and this could be applied to all of these adversity memetics, how did I evolve, right? Well, I evolved having to endure periods of calorie scarcity.

And so this is why now I wear this little disc on my triceps called a continuous glucose monitor. So fasting was one of the key protocols that I developed for me really early on. And it makes total sense because if you ask yourself the basic question, and this could be applied to all of these adversity memetics, how did I evolve, right? Well, I evolved having to endure periods of calorie scarcity.

And so this is why now I wear this little disc on my triceps called a continuous glucose monitor. So fasting was one of the key protocols that I developed for me really early on. And it makes total sense because if you ask yourself the basic question, and this could be applied to all of these adversity memetics, how did I evolve, right? Well, I evolved having to endure periods of calorie scarcity.

I put aside an hour, a couple hours every Monday and Tuesday afternoon to have hour-long Zoom calls with people that did not agree with me. And I just gave you one example, but they were also coming from the far right, from the far left, all over the place, you know? And I just really committed myself to this process.

I put aside an hour, a couple hours every Monday and Tuesday afternoon to have hour-long Zoom calls with people that did not agree with me. And I just gave you one example, but they were also coming from the far right, from the far left, all over the place, you know? And I just really committed myself to this process.

I put aside an hour, a couple hours every Monday and Tuesday afternoon to have hour-long Zoom calls with people that did not agree with me. And I just gave you one example, but they were also coming from the far right, from the far left, all over the place, you know? And I just really committed myself to this process.

And for those of you who listened to the earlier part of the podcast, you might realize that this might be very difficult for me because I was a people pleaser. I didn't like offending people, right? And at first, when I would get this kind of recrimination, I would feel like very personally attacked, very defensive.

And for those of you who listened to the earlier part of the podcast, you might realize that this might be very difficult for me because I was a people pleaser. I didn't like offending people, right? And at first, when I would get this kind of recrimination, I would feel like very personally attacked, very defensive.

And for those of you who listened to the earlier part of the podcast, you might realize that this might be very difficult for me because I was a people pleaser. I didn't like offending people, right? And at first, when I would get this kind of recrimination, I would feel like very personally attacked, very defensive.

I would stay up all night sort of brooding over like my rejoinder and like holding that little ember of resentment, like waiting to throw it the next morning. Of course, the great moral of that story is I was the one getting burned. You know, I was not sleeping. I was like, so I was like, you know. Over time, I started to actually really build what I call my psychological immune system.

I would stay up all night sort of brooding over like my rejoinder and like holding that little ember of resentment, like waiting to throw it the next morning. Of course, the great moral of that story is I was the one getting burned. You know, I was not sleeping. I was like, so I was like, you know. Over time, I started to actually really build what I call my psychological immune system.

I would stay up all night sort of brooding over like my rejoinder and like holding that little ember of resentment, like waiting to throw it the next morning. Of course, the great moral of that story is I was the one getting burned. You know, I was not sleeping. I was like, so I was like, you know. Over time, I started to actually really build what I call my psychological immune system.

So we're very familiar with our physiological immune system. We build our immunity through a certain amount of exposure to pathogens, viruses, and bacteria, such that our B cells spin up these little proteins, and then ding, ding, ding, ding, they hit the right one, and we call those antibodies, and those antibodies then neuter the antigens on these pathogens.

So we're very familiar with our physiological immune system. We build our immunity through a certain amount of exposure to pathogens, viruses, and bacteria, such that our B cells spin up these little proteins, and then ding, ding, ding, ding, they hit the right one, and we call those antibodies, and those antibodies then neuter the antigens on these pathogens.

So we're very familiar with our physiological immune system. We build our immunity through a certain amount of exposure to pathogens, viruses, and bacteria, such that our B cells spin up these little proteins, and then ding, ding, ding, ding, they hit the right one, and we call those antibodies, and those antibodies then neuter the antigens on these pathogens.

And then they have memory and it's amazing. But in a metaphorical sense, you can also build your psychological immune system through a certain amount of exposure to insult. And I had plenty of it. And so by the time August 2020 rolled around, I was very unaffected by being insulted. In fact, I became like quasi-untriggerable in some ways. In fact, I even looked forward.

And then they have memory and it's amazing. But in a metaphorical sense, you can also build your psychological immune system through a certain amount of exposure to insult. And I had plenty of it. And so by the time August 2020 rolled around, I was very unaffected by being insulted. In fact, I became like quasi-untriggerable in some ways. In fact, I even looked forward.

And then they have memory and it's amazing. But in a metaphorical sense, you can also build your psychological immune system through a certain amount of exposure to insult. And I had plenty of it. And so by the time August 2020 rolled around, I was very unaffected by being insulted. In fact, I became like quasi-untriggerable in some ways. In fact, I even looked forward.

to being, you know, not insulted per se, but like I look forward to a little bit of conflict. So when I started to go into these Zoom calls with people, I was very, very emotionally regulated by it, you know, going in. And, you know, if you remember back then, we were still developing our fluency with Zoom, right?

to being, you know, not insulted per se, but like I look forward to a little bit of conflict. So when I started to go into these Zoom calls with people, I was very, very emotionally regulated by it, you know, going in. And, you know, if you remember back then, we were still developing our fluency with Zoom, right?

to being, you know, not insulted per se, but like I look forward to a little bit of conflict. So when I started to go into these Zoom calls with people, I was very, very emotionally regulated by it, you know, going in. And, you know, if you remember back then, we were still developing our fluency with Zoom, right?

So I would get on a call with one of my detractors and, you know, people would be like, you know, jabbing at buttons. Am I on mute? I'm still on mute or whatever. And we would exchange, you know, a few pleasantries. And then, Drew, it was so interesting. You know, these conversations took on such a consistent pattern. I would sit there and they would tell me their entire life story for 45 minutes.

So I would get on a call with one of my detractors and, you know, people would be like, you know, jabbing at buttons. Am I on mute? I'm still on mute or whatever. And we would exchange, you know, a few pleasantries. And then, Drew, it was so interesting. You know, these conversations took on such a consistent pattern. I would sit there and they would tell me their entire life story for 45 minutes.

So I would get on a call with one of my detractors and, you know, people would be like, you know, jabbing at buttons. Am I on mute? I'm still on mute or whatever. And we would exchange, you know, a few pleasantries. And then, Drew, it was so interesting. You know, these conversations took on such a consistent pattern. I would sit there and they would tell me their entire life story for 45 minutes.

And what I realized in short order is that I was essentially creating a safe and trustworthy set and setting for people to be seen and to be heard. I got better at this skill over time.

And what I realized in short order is that I was essentially creating a safe and trustworthy set and setting for people to be seen and to be heard. I got better at this skill over time.

And what I realized in short order is that I was essentially creating a safe and trustworthy set and setting for people to be seen and to be heard. I got better at this skill over time.

And I started to actually consider it part of one of my adversity memetics, candidly, is like the importance of actually leaning in to stressful conversations and the possibility of what's on the other side of them. And so, you know, I didn't have any training at that juncture in nonviolent communication.

And I started to actually consider it part of one of my adversity memetics, candidly, is like the importance of actually leaning in to stressful conversations and the possibility of what's on the other side of them. And so, you know, I didn't have any training at that juncture in nonviolent communication.

And I started to actually consider it part of one of my adversity memetics, candidly, is like the importance of actually leaning in to stressful conversations and the possibility of what's on the other side of them. And so, you know, I didn't have any training at that juncture in nonviolent communication.

I subsequently did go get some because I was so interested in this whole world of being able to connect with people that disagree with you. And then I started to build my own sort of regimen or protocol around actually having, how to have these really stressful, hard, thorny conversations. And so there's just like a couple key tips. Please.

I subsequently did go get some because I was so interested in this whole world of being able to connect with people that disagree with you. And then I started to build my own sort of regimen or protocol around actually having, how to have these really stressful, hard, thorny conversations. And so there's just like a couple key tips. Please.

I subsequently did go get some because I was so interested in this whole world of being able to connect with people that disagree with you. And then I started to build my own sort of regimen or protocol around actually having, how to have these really stressful, hard, thorny conversations. And so there's just like a couple key tips. Please.

Because I think we live in a world where we tend to avoid stressful conversations, right? And that's okay. Sometimes it is best to create space and disengage yourself Particularly when the behavior is really odious, if it's racist or abusive or really neglectful. What sits on the other side of these stressful conversations really can represent a world that our hearts can imagine as possible.

Because I think we live in a world where we tend to avoid stressful conversations, right? And that's okay. Sometimes it is best to create space and disengage yourself Particularly when the behavior is really odious, if it's racist or abusive or really neglectful. What sits on the other side of these stressful conversations really can represent a world that our hearts can imagine as possible.

Because I think we live in a world where we tend to avoid stressful conversations, right? And that's okay. Sometimes it is best to create space and disengage yourself Particularly when the behavior is really odious, if it's racist or abusive or really neglectful. What sits on the other side of these stressful conversations really can represent a world that our hearts can imagine as possible.

The first key to having a stressful conversation is doing work on yourself, is becoming emotionally regulated. And that could be through building your psychological immune system, as I've described, but it also could be through breath work, through meditation, even through the psychological benefits of ice plunging or fasting, candidly.

The first key to having a stressful conversation is doing work on yourself, is becoming emotionally regulated. And that could be through building your psychological immune system, as I've described, but it also could be through breath work, through meditation, even through the psychological benefits of ice plunging or fasting, candidly.

The first key to having a stressful conversation is doing work on yourself, is becoming emotionally regulated. And that could be through building your psychological immune system, as I've described, but it also could be through breath work, through meditation, even through the psychological benefits of ice plunging or fasting, candidly.

My body was engineered to become a little fat in the late summer or the early fall. Why? Because it knew... that the paucity of winter was just around the corner. But of course, in most of the modern West now, winter never really comes from a food perspective. There's always a surfeit of shelf-stable, nutrient-deficient calories that we can call up in the palm of our hand.

My body was engineered to become a little fat in the late summer or the early fall. Why? Because it knew... that the paucity of winter was just around the corner. But of course, in most of the modern West now, winter never really comes from a food perspective. There's always a surfeit of shelf-stable, nutrient-deficient calories that we can call up in the palm of our hand.

My body was engineered to become a little fat in the late summer or the early fall. Why? Because it knew... that the paucity of winter was just around the corner. But of course, in most of the modern West now, winter never really comes from a food perspective. There's always a surfeit of shelf-stable, nutrient-deficient calories that we can call up in the palm of our hand.

So you have to go into stressful conversations yourself, emotionally regulated. You have to be what Stephen Porges called sort of in ventral vagal activation. You know, you can't be shut down, you know, in totally in your parasympathetic, but you can't also be amygdala hijacked because if you come into a conversation all up here, it's never going to go anywhere, right? You're just going to fight.

So you have to go into stressful conversations yourself, emotionally regulated. You have to be what Stephen Porges called sort of in ventral vagal activation. You know, you can't be shut down, you know, in totally in your parasympathetic, but you can't also be amygdala hijacked because if you come into a conversation all up here, it's never going to go anywhere, right? You're just going to fight.

So you have to go into stressful conversations yourself, emotionally regulated. You have to be what Stephen Porges called sort of in ventral vagal activation. You know, you can't be shut down, you know, in totally in your parasympathetic, but you can't also be amygdala hijacked because if you come into a conversation all up here, it's never going to go anywhere, right? You're just going to fight.

So you come into a stressful conversation regulated. That creates the opportunity for coherence and attunement. And then one of the key skills to develop is really listening, deep listening to understand and not listening to respond.

So you come into a stressful conversation regulated. That creates the opportunity for coherence and attunement. And then one of the key skills to develop is really listening, deep listening to understand and not listening to respond.

So you come into a stressful conversation regulated. That creates the opportunity for coherence and attunement. And then one of the key skills to develop is really listening, deep listening to understand and not listening to respond.

And this is really hard because even in our conversation today, you'll say something and I'm so excited about what you're saying that I'll almost interrupt you, right? And vice versa, just because we're in the flow of each other. But also sometimes that makes a good podcast. Totally.

And this is really hard because even in our conversation today, you'll say something and I'm so excited about what you're saying that I'll almost interrupt you, right? And vice versa, just because we're in the flow of each other. But also sometimes that makes a good podcast. Totally.

And this is really hard because even in our conversation today, you'll say something and I'm so excited about what you're saying that I'll almost interrupt you, right? And vice versa, just because we're in the flow of each other. But also sometimes that makes a good podcast. Totally.

Yeah, and oftentimes we are concocting a rejoinder or a rebuttal in our heads before our adversary has even finished speaking. We don't even know what point they're going to make. We're already so obsessed with making our own point.

Yeah, and oftentimes we are concocting a rejoinder or a rebuttal in our heads before our adversary has even finished speaking. We don't even know what point they're going to make. We're already so obsessed with making our own point.

Yeah, and oftentimes we are concocting a rejoinder or a rebuttal in our heads before our adversary has even finished speaking. We don't even know what point they're going to make. We're already so obsessed with making our own point.

So this was a big one, you know, really listening to understand and not to respond. It actually came out of experiences that I used to have in Japan. I used to go to Japan quite a bit on business and I was pitching bands. I was in the music industry and I'd go into like some CEO's office or Toshiba Yama or something and I'd, pitch, pitch, pitch, pitch, pitch, pitch, and I'd be done.

So this was a big one, you know, really listening to understand and not to respond. It actually came out of experiences that I used to have in Japan. I used to go to Japan quite a bit on business and I was pitching bands. I was in the music industry and I'd go into like some CEO's office or Toshiba Yama or something and I'd, pitch, pitch, pitch, pitch, pitch, pitch, and I'd be done.

So this was a big one, you know, really listening to understand and not to respond. It actually came out of experiences that I used to have in Japan. I used to go to Japan quite a bit on business and I was pitching bands. I was in the music industry and I'd go into like some CEO's office or Toshiba Yama or something and I'd, pitch, pitch, pitch, pitch, pitch, pitch, and I'd be done.

Like, that's the best band ever. They got the best songs. They sell more tickets than anybody. And then there would be this long pregnant silence afterwards. And I was so uncomfortable that I always felt like I needed to fill that void. And then I'd start in pitching again. And this recurred over and over. Finally, I asked our interpreter, I was like, what's up with this?

Like, that's the best band ever. They got the best songs. They sell more tickets than anybody. And then there would be this long pregnant silence afterwards. And I was so uncomfortable that I always felt like I needed to fill that void. And then I'd start in pitching again. And this recurred over and over. Finally, I asked our interpreter, I was like, what's up with this?

Like, that's the best band ever. They got the best songs. They sell more tickets than anybody. And then there would be this long pregnant silence afterwards. And I was so uncomfortable that I always felt like I needed to fill that void. And then I'd start in pitching again. And this recurred over and over. Finally, I asked our interpreter, I was like, what's up with this?

Every time I go in and pitch my bands, I get this silence. She's like, oh, no, no, no. That's a sign of respect. that they actually listened to everything that you had to say. Then they synthesized it. Then they formed their response. So I started to actually really use that. And even when people on these Zoom calls would stop talking, finally, they'd exhaust themselves.

Every time I go in and pitch my bands, I get this silence. She's like, oh, no, no, no. That's a sign of respect. that they actually listened to everything that you had to say. Then they synthesized it. Then they formed their response. So I started to actually really use that. And even when people on these Zoom calls would stop talking, finally, they'd exhaust themselves.

Every time I go in and pitch my bands, I get this silence. She's like, oh, no, no, no. That's a sign of respect. that they actually listened to everything that you had to say. Then they synthesized it. Then they formed their response. So I started to actually really use that. And even when people on these Zoom calls would stop talking, finally, they'd exhaust themselves.

I'd always leave a little bit of space before I then started. And that really helped them feel heard. Like I had really heard them, you know? Another really good technique to having stressful conversations is seek connection, not solution. Okay. So this was another thing that I learned kind of in the process of doing these calls is

I'd always leave a little bit of space before I then started. And that really helped them feel heard. Like I had really heard them, you know? Another really good technique to having stressful conversations is seek connection, not solution. Okay. So this was another thing that I learned kind of in the process of doing these calls is

I'd always leave a little bit of space before I then started. And that really helped them feel heard. Like I had really heard them, you know? Another really good technique to having stressful conversations is seek connection, not solution. Okay. So this was another thing that I learned kind of in the process of doing these calls is

as people were talking, I started to notate areas of their life that also converged with my own life. Like I have three daughters, you know, maybe they had daughters. Oh, they were born in Chicago. I was born in Chicago too. Oh, they used to drive cross country. I drove cross country for nine summers in a row, you know, all these things, whatever they happened to be.

as people were talking, I started to notate areas of their life that also converged with my own life. Like I have three daughters, you know, maybe they had daughters. Oh, they were born in Chicago. I was born in Chicago too. Oh, they used to drive cross country. I drove cross country for nine summers in a row, you know, all these things, whatever they happened to be.

as people were talking, I started to notate areas of their life that also converged with my own life. Like I have three daughters, you know, maybe they had daughters. Oh, they were born in Chicago. I was born in Chicago too. Oh, they used to drive cross country. I drove cross country for nine summers in a row, you know, all these things, whatever they happened to be.

And then when it was my turn to speak, I wouldn't start in among, you know, the best points of my argument, I would be like, oh, that's so cool. You know, I've got daughters too. I know what that's like.

And then when it was my turn to speak, I wouldn't start in among, you know, the best points of my argument, I would be like, oh, that's so cool. You know, I've got daughters too. I know what that's like.

And then when it was my turn to speak, I wouldn't start in among, you know, the best points of my argument, I would be like, oh, that's so cool. You know, I've got daughters too. I know what that's like.

And really focusing on these areas of connection created this sense of really deep human connection beyond whatever frivolous, petty argument that we were having around, you know, one issue or another. So that was another one. Seek connection, not solution. And then I think the last one that I would share with you, and there are plenty of others, is this technique called steel manning.

And really focusing on these areas of connection created this sense of really deep human connection beyond whatever frivolous, petty argument that we were having around, you know, one issue or another. So that was another one. Seek connection, not solution. And then I think the last one that I would share with you, and there are plenty of others, is this technique called steel manning.

And really focusing on these areas of connection created this sense of really deep human connection beyond whatever frivolous, petty argument that we were having around, you know, one issue or another. So that was another one. Seek connection, not solution. And then I think the last one that I would share with you, and there are plenty of others, is this technique called steel manning.

By the end of this podcast, we could have a whole array of foods here, right, in and out of season. So I really had to examine this and say, listen, I need to balance my consumption of food with some degree of restriction. Because part of nature's plan is to balance abundance with some degree of scarcity. But now in an era of very little scarcity, we have to self-impose this protocol.

By the end of this podcast, we could have a whole array of foods here, right, in and out of season. So I really had to examine this and say, listen, I need to balance my consumption of food with some degree of restriction. Because part of nature's plan is to balance abundance with some degree of scarcity. But now in an era of very little scarcity, we have to self-impose this protocol.

By the end of this podcast, we could have a whole array of foods here, right, in and out of season. So I really had to examine this and say, listen, I need to balance my consumption of food with some degree of restriction. Because part of nature's plan is to balance abundance with some degree of scarcity. But now in an era of very little scarcity, we have to self-impose this protocol.

Are you familiar with steel manning? Yeah. Yeah. So it came about because it's the opposite of straw manning. So a straw man argument is when you basically take someone's point and you basically discard it through an ad hominem, like insulting them, or you kind of distort their argument. Like if you might say to like, hey, Jeff,

Are you familiar with steel manning? Yeah. Yeah. So it came about because it's the opposite of straw manning. So a straw man argument is when you basically take someone's point and you basically discard it through an ad hominem, like insulting them, or you kind of distort their argument. Like if you might say to like, hey, Jeff,

Are you familiar with steel manning? Yeah. Yeah. So it came about because it's the opposite of straw manning. So a straw man argument is when you basically take someone's point and you basically discard it through an ad hominem, like insulting them, or you kind of distort their argument. Like if you might say to like, hey, Jeff,

You know, we should really invest more money in renewable energy, you know? And I said, oh, Drew, you just want to put everyone in oil and gas out of business. Something like that. You know, I basically just, I didn't really address what you were saying. I just kind of like distorted it. Because it's very easy to knock down a straw man, a man made of straw.

You know, we should really invest more money in renewable energy, you know? And I said, oh, Drew, you just want to put everyone in oil and gas out of business. Something like that. You know, I basically just, I didn't really address what you were saying. I just kind of like distorted it. Because it's very easy to knock down a straw man, a man made of straw.

You know, we should really invest more money in renewable energy, you know? And I said, oh, Drew, you just want to put everyone in oil and gas out of business. Something like that. You know, I basically just, I didn't really address what you were saying. I just kind of like distorted it. Because it's very easy to knock down a straw man, a man made of straw.

So very difficult to knock down a man made of steel. And that's why it's called steel manning. So with a steel manning technique, you listen to someone's point of view. And then instead of rebutting it, you actually reiterate the best portions of their argument back to them. And this has a number of impacts. A, it makes them feel seen and heard again.

So very difficult to knock down a man made of steel. And that's why it's called steel manning. So with a steel manning technique, you listen to someone's point of view. And then instead of rebutting it, you actually reiterate the best portions of their argument back to them. And this has a number of impacts. A, it makes them feel seen and heard again.

So very difficult to knock down a man made of steel. And that's why it's called steel manning. So with a steel manning technique, you listen to someone's point of view. And then instead of rebutting it, you actually reiterate the best portions of their argument back to them. And this has a number of impacts. A, it makes them feel seen and heard again.

And there's more likelihood of compromise there because they're like, oh, that person really did register the best parts of my arguments. But what it also does, it fortifies your own position because you have to actually consider the best parts of an opposing position. And I found that to be just incredibly helpful and yield amazing results.

And there's more likelihood of compromise there because they're like, oh, that person really did register the best parts of my arguments. But what it also does, it fortifies your own position because you have to actually consider the best parts of an opposing position. And I found that to be just incredibly helpful and yield amazing results.

And there's more likelihood of compromise there because they're like, oh, that person really did register the best parts of my arguments. But what it also does, it fortifies your own position because you have to actually consider the best parts of an opposing position. And I found that to be just incredibly helpful and yield amazing results.

And, you know, the, the output of these 26 hour long zoom calls that I had wasn't necessarily agreement, but I made this kind of Rolodex of what I call frenemies, you know, of people that still text me today. And they're like, I hate you. Yeah. They sometimes they do with a smiley face though. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

And, you know, the, the output of these 26 hour long zoom calls that I had wasn't necessarily agreement, but I made this kind of Rolodex of what I call frenemies, you know, of people that still text me today. And they're like, I hate you. Yeah. They sometimes they do with a smiley face though. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

And, you know, the, the output of these 26 hour long zoom calls that I had wasn't necessarily agreement, but I made this kind of Rolodex of what I call frenemies, you know, of people that still text me today. And they're like, I hate you. Yeah. They sometimes they do with a smiley face though. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

No, but you know, but, but there is the playfulness now to our, our rapport, our repartee. And some of them like our hardcore Trumpers and some of them are super BLMers and they're all over the place, but, and they're sending me videos and they're trying to like nudge me a little bit. And it's just, but we've come to a new place because we've found some degree of common humanity in each other.

No, but you know, but, but there is the playfulness now to our, our rapport, our repartee. And some of them like our hardcore Trumpers and some of them are super BLMers and they're all over the place, but, and they're sending me videos and they're trying to like nudge me a little bit. And it's just, but we've come to a new place because we've found some degree of common humanity in each other.

No, but you know, but, but there is the playfulness now to our, our rapport, our repartee. And some of them like our hardcore Trumpers and some of them are super BLMers and they're all over the place, but, and they're sending me videos and they're trying to like nudge me a little bit. And it's just, but we've come to a new place because we've found some degree of common humanity in each other.

For sure. And the world needs that.

For sure. And the world needs that.

For sure. And the world needs that.

So this is what fasting was for me. For me, I adopted a very simple 16-8 protocol because I found that there was the most data around that. And that's simply just consolidating my consumption of food in an eight-hour window. For me, that was more or less between 10.30 and 6.30.

So this is what fasting was for me. For me, I adopted a very simple 16-8 protocol because I found that there was the most data around that. And that's simply just consolidating my consumption of food in an eight-hour window. For me, that was more or less between 10.30 and 6.30.

So this is what fasting was for me. For me, I adopted a very simple 16-8 protocol because I found that there was the most data around that. And that's simply just consolidating my consumption of food in an eight-hour window. For me, that was more or less between 10.30 and 6.30.

Yeah. Well, we also, it also provides a possibility of, of progress through common ground and compromise. I mean, essentially every success in humanity has been predicated on our unique special ability to cooperate flexibly at scale. Like everything big that we've built as a species has required some degree of a large scale cooperation.

Yeah. Well, we also, it also provides a possibility of, of progress through common ground and compromise. I mean, essentially every success in humanity has been predicated on our unique special ability to cooperate flexibly at scale. Like everything big that we've built as a species has required some degree of a large scale cooperation.

Yeah. Well, we also, it also provides a possibility of, of progress through common ground and compromise. I mean, essentially every success in humanity has been predicated on our unique special ability to cooperate flexibly at scale. Like everything big that we've built as a species has required some degree of a large scale cooperation.

And I mean, I was running these seminars in the fall, this past fall, on how to have stressful conversations. And at the end, I would get Trump supporters and Harris supporters on stage, and they would essentially look each other in the eye and say, here's my greatest hope. Here's my greatest loss. you know, here's the most important relationships in my life.

And I mean, I was running these seminars in the fall, this past fall, on how to have stressful conversations. And at the end, I would get Trump supporters and Harris supporters on stage, and they would essentially look each other in the eye and say, here's my greatest hope. Here's my greatest loss. you know, here's the most important relationships in my life.

And I mean, I was running these seminars in the fall, this past fall, on how to have stressful conversations. And at the end, I would get Trump supporters and Harris supporters on stage, and they would essentially look each other in the eye and say, here's my greatest hope. Here's my greatest loss. you know, here's the most important relationships in my life.

They would actually say that to each other. And then I'd flip them and say, Hey, tell your quote unquote adversaries narrative. And then they would. And then they say, Oh, what are the, then I'd ask them like, why are you, you know, supporting this candidate, that candidate. And then they do the steel manning thing of like, Oh yeah, this is why this person's supporting that candidate.

They would actually say that to each other. And then I'd flip them and say, Hey, tell your quote unquote adversaries narrative. And then they would. And then they say, Oh, what are the, then I'd ask them like, why are you, you know, supporting this candidate, that candidate. And then they do the steel manning thing of like, Oh yeah, this is why this person's supporting that candidate.

They would actually say that to each other. And then I'd flip them and say, Hey, tell your quote unquote adversaries narrative. And then they would. And then they say, Oh, what are the, then I'd ask them like, why are you, you know, supporting this candidate, that candidate. And then they do the steel manning thing of like, Oh yeah, this is why this person's supporting that candidate.

And at the end they would hug These people, like in the most incendiary time in an era of just intense political vitriol, where the invective is so deep that we barely can have a conversation. I mean, we can't even have a conversation, you know, that I would see this before my eyes, people then hugging each other and seeing and recognizing each other's common humanity.

And at the end they would hug These people, like in the most incendiary time in an era of just intense political vitriol, where the invective is so deep that we barely can have a conversation. I mean, we can't even have a conversation, you know, that I would see this before my eyes, people then hugging each other and seeing and recognizing each other's common humanity.

And at the end they would hug These people, like in the most incendiary time in an era of just intense political vitriol, where the invective is so deep that we barely can have a conversation. I mean, we can't even have a conversation, you know, that I would see this before my eyes, people then hugging each other and seeing and recognizing each other's common humanity.

I was like, there is something to this. And here's the last bit of this is that if you can have a hard, stressful conversation, with someone you don't even really know, could it be possible to have that conversation with the people that are most dear and important to you? And we tend to avoid those, you know, like your kids, your best friends, your parents, like my parents are in their 80s.

I was like, there is something to this. And here's the last bit of this is that if you can have a hard, stressful conversation, with someone you don't even really know, could it be possible to have that conversation with the people that are most dear and important to you? And we tend to avoid those, you know, like your kids, your best friends, your parents, like my parents are in their 80s.

I was like, there is something to this. And here's the last bit of this is that if you can have a hard, stressful conversation, with someone you don't even really know, could it be possible to have that conversation with the people that are most dear and important to you? And we tend to avoid those, you know, like your kids, your best friends, your parents, like my parents are in their 80s.

You know, this really propelled me to have some of the more difficult conversations with my parents before I can't have them with them anymore. And so I really do think that it is these conversations that separate us from a better world.

You know, this really propelled me to have some of the more difficult conversations with my parents before I can't have them with them anymore. And so I really do think that it is these conversations that separate us from a better world.

You know, this really propelled me to have some of the more difficult conversations with my parents before I can't have them with them anymore. And so I really do think that it is these conversations that separate us from a better world.

I've subsequently played with that window a little bit, but I saw very, very significant results pretty quickly from that protocol. Time-restricted eating doesn't mean you're necessarily calorie-restricting because you could eat 10 pints of Chubby Hubby in an eight-hour window, right?

I've subsequently played with that window a little bit, but I saw very, very significant results pretty quickly from that protocol. Time-restricted eating doesn't mean you're necessarily calorie-restricting because you could eat 10 pints of Chubby Hubby in an eight-hour window, right?

I've subsequently played with that window a little bit, but I saw very, very significant results pretty quickly from that protocol. Time-restricted eating doesn't mean you're necessarily calorie-restricting because you could eat 10 pints of Chubby Hubby in an eight-hour window, right?

Yeah, because they have developed an ability to emotionally regulate, probably, to move back to center. And again, I would say that all of the protocols... that I embrace in my life, that's the one thing that they share. It's like, does this help me move back to center? Does this meditation practice help me move back to some degree of equipoise or emotional equilibrium?

Yeah, because they have developed an ability to emotionally regulate, probably, to move back to center. And again, I would say that all of the protocols... that I embrace in my life, that's the one thing that they share. It's like, does this help me move back to center? Does this meditation practice help me move back to some degree of equipoise or emotional equilibrium?

Yeah, because they have developed an ability to emotionally regulate, probably, to move back to center. And again, I would say that all of the protocols... that I embrace in my life, that's the one thing that they share. It's like, does this help me move back to center? Does this meditation practice help me move back to some degree of equipoise or emotional equilibrium?

Does this physical practice help me move back into some form of physiological homeostasis? Does it actually help me balance blood sugar levels, balance pH balance, balance the seesaw between excitatory neurotransmitters and inhibitory neurotransmitters? Does it balance my circadian rhythm?

Does this physical practice help me move back into some form of physiological homeostasis? Does it actually help me balance blood sugar levels, balance pH balance, balance the seesaw between excitatory neurotransmitters and inhibitory neurotransmitters? Does it balance my circadian rhythm?

Does this physical practice help me move back into some form of physiological homeostasis? Does it actually help me balance blood sugar levels, balance pH balance, balance the seesaw between excitatory neurotransmitters and inhibitory neurotransmitters? Does it balance my circadian rhythm?

Am I secreting cortisol at the right time, melatonin at the right time, glucagon at the right time, insulin at the right time? Am I balanced between growth pathways and anabolic pathways like mTOR and restoration pathways like AMPK, et cetera? So you really can think about your organism and your psychology as just an endless pursuit of sort of dynamic homeostasis and

Am I secreting cortisol at the right time, melatonin at the right time, glucagon at the right time, insulin at the right time? Am I balanced between growth pathways and anabolic pathways like mTOR and restoration pathways like AMPK, et cetera? So you really can think about your organism and your psychology as just an endless pursuit of sort of dynamic homeostasis and

Am I secreting cortisol at the right time, melatonin at the right time, glucagon at the right time, insulin at the right time? Am I balanced between growth pathways and anabolic pathways like mTOR and restoration pathways like AMPK, et cetera? So you really can think about your organism and your psychology as just an endless pursuit of sort of dynamic homeostasis and

and then build your protocols on the way you live your life you know, to pursue that goal.

and then build your protocols on the way you live your life you know, to pursue that goal.

and then build your protocols on the way you live your life you know, to pursue that goal.

Totally. And what do we really truly want out of life?

Totally. And what do we really truly want out of life?

Totally. And what do we really truly want out of life?

Fair enough. But, you know, there is this picture of a life of ease, right? Just collapsed on the couch, binging Netflix in a snuggly 72 degree thermoregulated environment, like, you know, eating some Haagen-Dazs. Okay. You know, sure. That's delicious from time to time. That's not the true ease that we're really looking for in life. We know the true ease when we taste it.

Fair enough. But, you know, there is this picture of a life of ease, right? Just collapsed on the couch, binging Netflix in a snuggly 72 degree thermoregulated environment, like, you know, eating some Haagen-Dazs. Okay. You know, sure. That's delicious from time to time. That's not the true ease that we're really looking for in life. We know the true ease when we taste it.

Fair enough. But, you know, there is this picture of a life of ease, right? Just collapsed on the couch, binging Netflix in a snuggly 72 degree thermoregulated environment, like, you know, eating some Haagen-Dazs. Okay. You know, sure. That's delicious from time to time. That's not the true ease that we're really looking for in life. We know the true ease when we taste it.

But generally, when you're becoming a disciple to a practice like that, you're making more conscious decisions about what you put in your mouth. And I was, of course, pairing that with data that I was getting directly from my CGM, and I was seeing vast improvements there. So fasting was a huge one.

But generally, when you're becoming a disciple to a practice like that, you're making more conscious decisions about what you put in your mouth. And I was, of course, pairing that with data that I was getting directly from my CGM, and I was seeing vast improvements there. So fasting was a huge one.

But generally, when you're becoming a disciple to a practice like that, you're making more conscious decisions about what you put in your mouth. And I was, of course, pairing that with data that I was getting directly from my CGM, and I was seeing vast improvements there. So fasting was a huge one.

It tastes candidly like the tomato that we grew, not the ethylene gassed one that we bought at the grocery store. And growing that tomato yourself is a little bit inconvenient. You know, you have to enrich the soil. You have to plant the seed. You have to prune the plant just right. You have to water it every day. You have to make sure it's getting enough sun, et cetera.

It tastes candidly like the tomato that we grew, not the ethylene gassed one that we bought at the grocery store. And growing that tomato yourself is a little bit inconvenient. You know, you have to enrich the soil. You have to plant the seed. You have to prune the plant just right. You have to water it every day. You have to make sure it's getting enough sun, et cetera.

It tastes candidly like the tomato that we grew, not the ethylene gassed one that we bought at the grocery store. And growing that tomato yourself is a little bit inconvenient. You know, you have to enrich the soil. You have to plant the seed. You have to prune the plant just right. You have to water it every day. You have to make sure it's getting enough sun, et cetera.

And so this is really the ease that we're looking for just doesn't really come for free, you know? And we know it when we taste it. We know it when we're in it. I mean, like right now for the last 90 minutes, we've been completely engaged with each other, sort of outside of linear time and space. We're just completely all here.

And so this is really the ease that we're looking for just doesn't really come for free, you know? And we know it when we taste it. We know it when we're in it. I mean, like right now for the last 90 minutes, we've been completely engaged with each other, sort of outside of linear time and space. We're just completely all here.

And so this is really the ease that we're looking for just doesn't really come for free, you know? And we know it when we taste it. We know it when we're in it. I mean, like right now for the last 90 minutes, we've been completely engaged with each other, sort of outside of linear time and space. We're just completely all here.

And that is like a representation of like the life that we're looking for. It's not like some candy-coated thing. It's actually like when we sort of lose sense of linear time. It's like oftentimes we experience that in like collective enterprise or in like some sort of creative endeavor, sometimes in sports.

And that is like a representation of like the life that we're looking for. It's not like some candy-coated thing. It's actually like when we sort of lose sense of linear time. It's like oftentimes we experience that in like collective enterprise or in like some sort of creative endeavor, sometimes in sports.

And that is like a representation of like the life that we're looking for. It's not like some candy-coated thing. It's actually like when we sort of lose sense of linear time. It's like oftentimes we experience that in like collective enterprise or in like some sort of creative endeavor, sometimes in sports.

where we have perfect awareness of our body and space and time, and we might be tired, but boy, we're never going to stop. That's often called flow state. And I think that that is sort of reframing that life that we're looking for. And that life...

where we have perfect awareness of our body and space and time, and we might be tired, but boy, we're never going to stop. That's often called flow state. And I think that that is sort of reframing that life that we're looking for. And that life...

where we have perfect awareness of our body and space and time, and we might be tired, but boy, we're never going to stop. That's often called flow state. And I think that that is sort of reframing that life that we're looking for. And that life...

is available to us, but not without of leaning in to the edges of our comfort zone and experiencing some forms of discomfort, some health conferring forms.

is available to us, but not without of leaning in to the edges of our comfort zone and experiencing some forms of discomfort, some health conferring forms.

is available to us, but not without of leaning in to the edges of our comfort zone and experiencing some forms of discomfort, some health conferring forms.

No, that's it. I mean, I was fortunate enough to scoop up goodstress.com. There you go. That's a good domain name. I know. So you can check it out there. And, you know, really, you know, this book is a distillation of a lot of wisdom from other people. And, you know, you and I have spent a lot of time together over the years. I've been able to

No, that's it. I mean, I was fortunate enough to scoop up goodstress.com. There you go. That's a good domain name. I know. So you can check it out there. And, you know, really, you know, this book is a distillation of a lot of wisdom from other people. And, you know, you and I have spent a lot of time together over the years. I've been able to

No, that's it. I mean, I was fortunate enough to scoop up goodstress.com. There you go. That's a good domain name. I know. So you can check it out there. And, you know, really, you know, this book is a distillation of a lot of wisdom from other people. And, you know, you and I have spent a lot of time together over the years. I've been able to

really mine the mental gladstones of so many incredible doctors, a lot of amazing female doctors who have been so generous with me. And, you know, I have the honor of being able to platform many of them on Commune. And so, you know, for people that aren't familiar with it, it is essentially a masterclass platform for wellbeing. You can go there and find

really mine the mental gladstones of so many incredible doctors, a lot of amazing female doctors who have been so generous with me. And, you know, I have the honor of being able to platform many of them on Commune. And so, you know, for people that aren't familiar with it, it is essentially a masterclass platform for wellbeing. You can go there and find

really mine the mental gladstones of so many incredible doctors, a lot of amazing female doctors who have been so generous with me. And, you know, I have the honor of being able to platform many of them on Commune. And so, you know, for people that aren't familiar with it, it is essentially a masterclass platform for wellbeing. You can go there and find

Now, of course, there's all of these other benefits to fasting outside of just potentially losing weight. You know, there is obviously the activation of certain pathways like AMPK, which I'm sure a lot of experts have talked about on your show, which is associated with autophagy, cellular cleanup. There's mitobiogenesis, the creation of new mitochondria.

Now, of course, there's all of these other benefits to fasting outside of just potentially losing weight. You know, there is obviously the activation of certain pathways like AMPK, which I'm sure a lot of experts have talked about on your show, which is associated with autophagy, cellular cleanup. There's mitobiogenesis, the creation of new mitochondria.

Now, of course, there's all of these other benefits to fasting outside of just potentially losing weight. You know, there is obviously the activation of certain pathways like AMPK, which I'm sure a lot of experts have talked about on your show, which is associated with autophagy, cellular cleanup. There's mitobiogenesis, the creation of new mitochondria.

all sorts of information and courses on integrative and functional medicine, but yoga and mindfulness and Qi Gong and Tai Chi and even regenerative farming and essentially everything you need to be holistically well. And, um, and that's, you know, really the, you know, the, the work of my life right now. And so I, I encourage people if they're interested, go to one commune.com.

all sorts of information and courses on integrative and functional medicine, but yoga and mindfulness and Qi Gong and Tai Chi and even regenerative farming and essentially everything you need to be holistically well. And, um, and that's, you know, really the, you know, the, the work of my life right now. And so I, I encourage people if they're interested, go to one commune.com.

all sorts of information and courses on integrative and functional medicine, but yoga and mindfulness and Qi Gong and Tai Chi and even regenerative farming and essentially everything you need to be holistically well. And, um, and that's, you know, really the, you know, the, the work of my life right now. And so I, I encourage people if they're interested, go to one commune.com.

That's L N E commune.com. And yeah, if you're inclined to support my work, you know, buy my book. I, you know, I love to write and I will always write a tremendous amount for free, but in order to write a lot for free that I think, um, helps to contribute to people's wellbeing, uh, every once in a while I have to sell something. So help me out.

That's L N E commune.com. And yeah, if you're inclined to support my work, you know, buy my book. I, you know, I love to write and I will always write a tremendous amount for free, but in order to write a lot for free that I think, um, helps to contribute to people's wellbeing, uh, every once in a while I have to sell something. So help me out.

That's L N E commune.com. And yeah, if you're inclined to support my work, you know, buy my book. I, you know, I love to write and I will always write a tremendous amount for free, but in order to write a lot for free that I think, um, helps to contribute to people's wellbeing, uh, every once in a while I have to sell something. So help me out.

Thanks a lot, Drew. I appreciate you.

Thanks a lot, Drew. I appreciate you.

Thanks a lot, Drew. I appreciate you.

There's the production of BDNF, brain-derived neurotrophic factor that seems to even grow new neurons, but certainly manage the functionality of pre-existing neural health. So there's all of these kind of like under the hood benefits, but the benefits that I was seeing was a tremendous amount. of weight loss in combination with a couple of other stress protocols.

There's the production of BDNF, brain-derived neurotrophic factor that seems to even grow new neurons, but certainly manage the functionality of pre-existing neural health. So there's all of these kind of like under the hood benefits, but the benefits that I was seeing was a tremendous amount. of weight loss in combination with a couple of other stress protocols.

There's the production of BDNF, brain-derived neurotrophic factor that seems to even grow new neurons, but certainly manage the functionality of pre-existing neural health. So there's all of these kind of like under the hood benefits, but the benefits that I was seeing was a tremendous amount. of weight loss in combination with a couple of other stress protocols.

I did.

I did.

I did.

And so we've evolved these adaptive mechanisms in relation to what I sometimes call paleolithic stress. But since the Industrial Revolution, in the West primarily, but really accelerating in the last 70 years, at every turn, we've engineered our society for comfort, for convenience, for ease. And it's my thesis that chronic ease is actually leading to chronic dis-ease.

And so we've evolved these adaptive mechanisms in relation to what I sometimes call paleolithic stress. But since the Industrial Revolution, in the West primarily, but really accelerating in the last 70 years, at every turn, we've engineered our society for comfort, for convenience, for ease. And it's my thesis that chronic ease is actually leading to chronic dis-ease.

And so we've evolved these adaptive mechanisms in relation to what I sometimes call paleolithic stress. But since the Industrial Revolution, in the West primarily, but really accelerating in the last 70 years, at every turn, we've engineered our society for comfort, for convenience, for ease. And it's my thesis that chronic ease is actually leading to chronic dis-ease.

Yeah, well, I feel bad, Drew, because I'm not an extraordinary guest. I'm actually incredibly ordinary in terms of the presentations that were in my life. So I was chronically fatigued. I was brain fogged. I was pretty irritable, very hard time concentrating, couldn't read a book, needed to grab my phone quite often. And then of course, as I described, I was heavier. So I was about 210 pounds.

Yeah, well, I feel bad, Drew, because I'm not an extraordinary guest. I'm actually incredibly ordinary in terms of the presentations that were in my life. So I was chronically fatigued. I was brain fogged. I was pretty irritable, very hard time concentrating, couldn't read a book, needed to grab my phone quite often. And then of course, as I described, I was heavier. So I was about 210 pounds.

Yeah, well, I feel bad, Drew, because I'm not an extraordinary guest. I'm actually incredibly ordinary in terms of the presentations that were in my life. So I was chronically fatigued. I was brain fogged. I was pretty irritable, very hard time concentrating, couldn't read a book, needed to grab my phone quite often. And then of course, as I described, I was heavier. So I was about 210 pounds.

But with that kind of deposition of, adiposity sort of dad bod. So a lot of fat right around the middle, you know, and as my children love to tease me, I like to use the clinical name gynecomastia. My kids were like, dad, you have the boobs of man and would sometimes leave one of their bras on my bed just to rub it in a little bit. So I had, you know, that whole sort of panoply of symptoms.

But with that kind of deposition of, adiposity sort of dad bod. So a lot of fat right around the middle, you know, and as my children love to tease me, I like to use the clinical name gynecomastia. My kids were like, dad, you have the boobs of man and would sometimes leave one of their bras on my bed just to rub it in a little bit. So I had, you know, that whole sort of panoply of symptoms.

But with that kind of deposition of, adiposity sort of dad bod. So a lot of fat right around the middle, you know, and as my children love to tease me, I like to use the clinical name gynecomastia. My kids were like, dad, you have the boobs of man and would sometimes leave one of their bras on my bed just to rub it in a little bit. So I had, you know, that whole sort of panoply of symptoms.

The thing about everything I just named, chronic fatigue, insomnia, brain fog, they are so common now. that we essentially have accepted them as normal, but they're so, so, so abnormal. And so I was walking around in this incredibly compromised state. Now, subsequently, I started to do some testing and I realized that I was pre-diabetic, borderline diabetic.

The thing about everything I just named, chronic fatigue, insomnia, brain fog, they are so common now. that we essentially have accepted them as normal, but they're so, so, so abnormal. And so I was walking around in this incredibly compromised state. Now, subsequently, I started to do some testing and I realized that I was pre-diabetic, borderline diabetic.

The thing about everything I just named, chronic fatigue, insomnia, brain fog, they are so common now. that we essentially have accepted them as normal, but they're so, so, so abnormal. And so I was walking around in this incredibly compromised state. Now, subsequently, I started to do some testing and I realized that I was pre-diabetic, borderline diabetic.

And then I did some microbiome testing and my gut was as like leaky as a rusty old pipe, basically. So I was dealing with all of those things, but that just basically makes me average.

And then I did some microbiome testing and my gut was as like leaky as a rusty old pipe, basically. So I was dealing with all of those things, but that just basically makes me average.

And then I did some microbiome testing and my gut was as like leaky as a rusty old pipe, basically. So I was dealing with all of those things, but that just basically makes me average.

Yeah, so I'm a serial entrepreneur, not in the serial sense in that I can't stop making businesses. And so prior to Commune, which is my main gig these days, I was running a festival called Wanderlust. Some of your guests might be familiar with it. It started with just like one little festival in Lake Tahoe, California. geared around wellness, ironically.

Yeah, so I'm a serial entrepreneur, not in the serial sense in that I can't stop making businesses. And so prior to Commune, which is my main gig these days, I was running a festival called Wanderlust. Some of your guests might be familiar with it. It started with just like one little festival in Lake Tahoe, California. geared around wellness, ironically.

Yeah, so I'm a serial entrepreneur, not in the serial sense in that I can't stop making businesses. And so prior to Commune, which is my main gig these days, I was running a festival called Wanderlust. Some of your guests might be familiar with it. It started with just like one little festival in Lake Tahoe, California. geared around wellness, ironically.

We are essentially using our culture to hijack our biology, and that is leading to all sorts of detrimental downstream impacts. And I can unpack just some of those mechanisms.

We are essentially using our culture to hijack our biology, and that is leading to all sorts of detrimental downstream impacts. And I can unpack just some of those mechanisms.

We are essentially using our culture to hijack our biology, and that is leading to all sorts of detrimental downstream impacts. And I can unpack just some of those mechanisms.

I was pretty focused on growing that for a number of years. And I think by 2016, that concern had grown to about 68 festivals annually in 20 countries. So you can imagine what my life looked like. First of all, I have three daughters, so we were traveling like a band of gypsies, basically. But I was on a plane nonstop. I was in every time zone you can imagine.

I was pretty focused on growing that for a number of years. And I think by 2016, that concern had grown to about 68 festivals annually in 20 countries. So you can imagine what my life looked like. First of all, I have three daughters, so we were traveling like a band of gypsies, basically. But I was on a plane nonstop. I was in every time zone you can imagine.

I was pretty focused on growing that for a number of years. And I think by 2016, that concern had grown to about 68 festivals annually in 20 countries. So you can imagine what my life looked like. First of all, I have three daughters, so we were traveling like a band of gypsies, basically. But I was on a plane nonstop. I was in every time zone you can imagine.

I couldn't even cover the amount of events that we had, candidly.

I couldn't even cover the amount of events that we had, candidly.

I couldn't even cover the amount of events that we had, candidly.

so i was sleeping very very poorly um you know i was constantly stressed i very very naively raised a lot of private equity money um which i thought was a great idea in the moment and then of course you know i was under the thumb of you know some cigar smoking plutograts in midtown you know looking down at me scrutinizing all my moves

so i was sleeping very very poorly um you know i was constantly stressed i very very naively raised a lot of private equity money um which i thought was a great idea in the moment and then of course you know i was under the thumb of you know some cigar smoking plutograts in midtown you know looking down at me scrutinizing all my moves

so i was sleeping very very poorly um you know i was constantly stressed i very very naively raised a lot of private equity money um which i thought was a great idea in the moment and then of course you know i was under the thumb of you know some cigar smoking plutograts in midtown you know looking down at me scrutinizing all my moves

And that was a lot of stress, bad stress, chronic stress, endless emails, endless pressure. And yeah, my diet was basically carbicide, you know, because I was eating in airports and even when I wasn't eating in airports, I was having that bagel for breakfast or that muffin for breakfast. Obviously, over time, doing that for many, many years, I just wore down.

And that was a lot of stress, bad stress, chronic stress, endless emails, endless pressure. And yeah, my diet was basically carbicide, you know, because I was eating in airports and even when I wasn't eating in airports, I was having that bagel for breakfast or that muffin for breakfast. Obviously, over time, doing that for many, many years, I just wore down.

And that was a lot of stress, bad stress, chronic stress, endless emails, endless pressure. And yeah, my diet was basically carbicide, you know, because I was eating in airports and even when I wasn't eating in airports, I was having that bagel for breakfast or that muffin for breakfast. Obviously, over time, doing that for many, many years, I just wore down.

We so often associate health with downward spirals, but upward spirals are completely possible. In this day and age, we're largely choosing the way we die with very, very little thoughtfulness. We essentially evolved for a certain amount of stress, but we've engineered our lives at every single turn, often in the name of profit for ease and convenience.

We so often associate health with downward spirals, but upward spirals are completely possible. In this day and age, we're largely choosing the way we die with very, very little thoughtfulness. We essentially evolved for a certain amount of stress, but we've engineered our lives at every single turn, often in the name of profit for ease and convenience.

We so often associate health with downward spirals, but upward spirals are completely possible. In this day and age, we're largely choosing the way we die with very, very little thoughtfulness. We essentially evolved for a certain amount of stress, but we've engineered our lives at every single turn, often in the name of profit for ease and convenience.

And they say, oh my God, Andre's got a buildup of carbon dioxide. What are we going to do? Hey, make some more red blood cells down there because we need additional couriers. Stop doing that. We need additional couriers for oxygen because oxygen then gets shuttled to our cells and our mitochondria for energy production.

And they say, oh my God, Andre's got a buildup of carbon dioxide. What are we going to do? Hey, make some more red blood cells down there because we need additional couriers. Stop doing that. We need additional couriers for oxygen because oxygen then gets shuttled to our cells and our mitochondria for energy production.

And they say, oh my God, Andre's got a buildup of carbon dioxide. What are we going to do? Hey, make some more red blood cells down there because we need additional couriers. Stop doing that. We need additional couriers for oxygen because oxygen then gets shuttled to our cells and our mitochondria for energy production.

Our mitochondria then becomes hyper-efficient at making energy in hypoxic situations. Also brilliantly, carbon dioxide mitigates body pH balance. So your body's going to get a tiny bit more acidic if you hold your breath for a couple minutes. And that's totally adaptive because In that acidity, hemoglobin sort of loses its affinity for oxygen.

Our mitochondria then becomes hyper-efficient at making energy in hypoxic situations. Also brilliantly, carbon dioxide mitigates body pH balance. So your body's going to get a tiny bit more acidic if you hold your breath for a couple minutes. And that's totally adaptive because In that acidity, hemoglobin sort of loses its affinity for oxygen.

Our mitochondria then becomes hyper-efficient at making energy in hypoxic situations. Also brilliantly, carbon dioxide mitigates body pH balance. So your body's going to get a tiny bit more acidic if you hold your breath for a couple minutes. And that's totally adaptive because In that acidity, hemoglobin sort of loses its affinity for oxygen.

So hemoglobin is that little protein in the red blood cells that takes the oxygen and goes, okay, here we're going off to the blood cells. And if it's more likely to release it, that's better for energy production. So this is just like one of hundreds and hundreds of sort of pre-programmed adaptive responses to stress that exist in the human body.

So hemoglobin is that little protein in the red blood cells that takes the oxygen and goes, okay, here we're going off to the blood cells. And if it's more likely to release it, that's better for energy production. So this is just like one of hundreds and hundreds of sort of pre-programmed adaptive responses to stress that exist in the human body.

So hemoglobin is that little protein in the red blood cells that takes the oxygen and goes, okay, here we're going off to the blood cells. And if it's more likely to release it, that's better for energy production. So this is just like one of hundreds and hundreds of sort of pre-programmed adaptive responses to stress that exist in the human body.

But we've largely stripped all of those stressors out of the way that we live. So like, for example, like nutrient deficiency or calorie restriction is actually totally adaptive. It's really good for us. Not only does it keep... Andre nice and lean and lithe and a wonderful figure.

But we've largely stripped all of those stressors out of the way that we live. So like, for example, like nutrient deficiency or calorie restriction is actually totally adaptive. It's really good for us. Not only does it keep... Andre nice and lean and lithe and a wonderful figure.

But we've largely stripped all of those stressors out of the way that we live. So like, for example, like nutrient deficiency or calorie restriction is actually totally adaptive. It's really good for us. Not only does it keep... Andre nice and lean and lithe and a wonderful figure.

But also, it's activating certain metabolic pathways and other enzymes, et cetera, within your body. You know, there's a lot of scientists and medical experts wonks talk about like AMP kinase or whatever, these pathways for restoration and repair in the human body that stimulate these processes like autophagy and cellular cleanup and all this kind of stuff.

But also, it's activating certain metabolic pathways and other enzymes, et cetera, within your body. You know, there's a lot of scientists and medical experts wonks talk about like AMP kinase or whatever, these pathways for restoration and repair in the human body that stimulate these processes like autophagy and cellular cleanup and all this kind of stuff.

But also, it's activating certain metabolic pathways and other enzymes, et cetera, within your body. You know, there's a lot of scientists and medical experts wonks talk about like AMP kinase or whatever, these pathways for restoration and repair in the human body that stimulate these processes like autophagy and cellular cleanup and all this kind of stuff.

These processes were developed in relation to sort of paleolithic stress because in the olden days, you know, back in our hunter-gatherer days on the Serengeti, There would be a calorie paucity as part of winter, right? But now we live in this age where winter never really comes. So it's all calorie abundance all of the time. So the body is just really doing what it's meant to do.

These processes were developed in relation to sort of paleolithic stress because in the olden days, you know, back in our hunter-gatherer days on the Serengeti, There would be a calorie paucity as part of winter, right? But now we live in this age where winter never really comes. So it's all calorie abundance all of the time. So the body is just really doing what it's meant to do.

These processes were developed in relation to sort of paleolithic stress because in the olden days, you know, back in our hunter-gatherer days on the Serengeti, There would be a calorie paucity as part of winter, right? But now we live in this age where winter never really comes. So it's all calorie abundance all of the time. So the body is just really doing what it's meant to do.

It just stores fat away, you know, for a rainy day. But then there's no rainy day. And so this is like...

It just stores fat away, you know, for a rainy day. But then there's no rainy day. And so this is like...

It just stores fat away, you know, for a rainy day. But then there's no rainy day. And so this is like...

I think one of the greatest tensions that exist in modernity are these evolutionary mismatches, where we essentially evolved for a certain amount of stress, but since the Industrial Revolution and really accelerating over the last 50 or 70 years, we've engineered our lives at every single turn, often in the name of profit,

I think one of the greatest tensions that exist in modernity are these evolutionary mismatches, where we essentially evolved for a certain amount of stress, but since the Industrial Revolution and really accelerating over the last 50 or 70 years, we've engineered our lives at every single turn, often in the name of profit,

I think one of the greatest tensions that exist in modernity are these evolutionary mismatches, where we essentially evolved for a certain amount of stress, but since the Industrial Revolution and really accelerating over the last 50 or 70 years, we've engineered our lives at every single turn, often in the name of profit,

for ease and convenience and that ease is creating a lot of dis-ease and that convenience is creating candidly a lot of inconvenient truths that we have to grapple with.

for ease and convenience and that ease is creating a lot of dis-ease and that convenience is creating candidly a lot of inconvenient truths that we have to grapple with.

for ease and convenience and that ease is creating a lot of dis-ease and that convenience is creating candidly a lot of inconvenient truths that we have to grapple with.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, so I ended up coming up with this little acronym called the Big Macs. Not just the ones that you buy at the Evil M, but I really, I call it the Big Modern American Conveniences, so MAC. And, you know, there's, again, there are so many of them. But if you look at, like, I think the primary culprits that then create these mismatches, you know, I would say the number one is our food system.

Yeah, so I ended up coming up with this little acronym called the Big Macs. Not just the ones that you buy at the Evil M, but I really, I call it the Big Modern American Conveniences, so MAC. And, you know, there's, again, there are so many of them. But if you look at, like, I think the primary culprits that then create these mismatches, you know, I would say the number one is our food system.

Yeah, so I ended up coming up with this little acronym called the Big Macs. Not just the ones that you buy at the Evil M, but I really, I call it the Big Modern American Conveniences, so MAC. And, you know, there's, again, there are so many of them. But if you look at, like, I think the primary culprits that then create these mismatches, you know, I would say the number one is our food system.

Yeah. Great to be here with you, Andre. I so appreciate it. And obviously I was thinking about you over the last couple of weeks as our greater community here in Los Angeles has been grappling and enduring these fires. And, um, yeah, I mean, fortunately, of course we were, we were, our locations were spared. Um, and, uh,

Yeah. Great to be here with you, Andre. I so appreciate it. And obviously I was thinking about you over the last couple of weeks as our greater community here in Los Angeles has been grappling and enduring these fires. And, um, yeah, I mean, fortunately, of course we were, we were, our locations were spared. Um, and, uh,

Yeah. Great to be here with you, Andre. I so appreciate it. And obviously I was thinking about you over the last couple of weeks as our greater community here in Los Angeles has been grappling and enduring these fires. And, um, yeah, I mean, fortunately, of course we were, we were, our locations were spared. Um, and, uh,

So... starting in really after World War II, we started to see these massive escalations in obesity, right, in this country, and then other obesity-related diseases. That was this time where we started to essentially apply sort of a military industrial mindset to agriculture and to food. This was known as the Green Revolution. And, you know, candidly, it wasn't inspired by

So... starting in really after World War II, we started to see these massive escalations in obesity, right, in this country, and then other obesity-related diseases. That was this time where we started to essentially apply sort of a military industrial mindset to agriculture and to food. This was known as the Green Revolution. And, you know, candidly, it wasn't inspired by

So... starting in really after World War II, we started to see these massive escalations in obesity, right, in this country, and then other obesity-related diseases. That was this time where we started to essentially apply sort of a military industrial mindset to agriculture and to food. This was known as the Green Revolution. And, you know, candidly, it wasn't inspired by

for Machiavellian purposes, we needed to make enough calories to meet the needs of a very, very growing and escalating population. The problem was is that we started to create shelf-stable, nutrient-deficient calories, and in a surfeit of them, such that all that in the pump, and then you fast forward now, sort of in the palm of our hand, before this podcast would even finish,

for Machiavellian purposes, we needed to make enough calories to meet the needs of a very, very growing and escalating population. The problem was is that we started to create shelf-stable, nutrient-deficient calories, and in a surfeit of them, such that all that in the pump, and then you fast forward now, sort of in the palm of our hand, before this podcast would even finish,

for Machiavellian purposes, we needed to make enough calories to meet the needs of a very, very growing and escalating population. The problem was is that we started to create shelf-stable, nutrient-deficient calories, and in a surfeit of them, such that all that in the pump, and then you fast forward now, sort of in the palm of our hand, before this podcast would even finish,

We could literally order up any kind of food stuff in or out of season to your front door and have a feast. But this is, of course, like hijacking our own biology because we were meant to... Endure periods of scarcity like we talked about before. That kept us healthy. There's so many other examples. I think the other primary one would be just our sedentary lifestyles. Most of us sit at desk jobs.

We could literally order up any kind of food stuff in or out of season to your front door and have a feast. But this is, of course, like hijacking our own biology because we were meant to... Endure periods of scarcity like we talked about before. That kept us healthy. There's so many other examples. I think the other primary one would be just our sedentary lifestyles. Most of us sit at desk jobs.

We could literally order up any kind of food stuff in or out of season to your front door and have a feast. But this is, of course, like hijacking our own biology because we were meant to... Endure periods of scarcity like we talked about before. That kept us healthy. There's so many other examples. I think the other primary one would be just our sedentary lifestyles. Most of us sit at desk jobs.

I think in the United States, 80% of all jobs are desk jobs. So we're sitting, we're having these... eight, nine, ten hour periods of sedentariness, right? So we're not moving our body. This flies completely in the face of how we evolved. You know, we evolved moving all the time. We walked somewhere between on average, 7 to 10 miles per day.

I think in the United States, 80% of all jobs are desk jobs. So we're sitting, we're having these... eight, nine, ten hour periods of sedentariness, right? So we're not moving our body. This flies completely in the face of how we evolved. You know, we evolved moving all the time. We walked somewhere between on average, 7 to 10 miles per day.

I think in the United States, 80% of all jobs are desk jobs. So we're sitting, we're having these... eight, nine, ten hour periods of sedentariness, right? So we're not moving our body. This flies completely in the face of how we evolved. You know, we evolved moving all the time. We walked somewhere between on average, 7 to 10 miles per day.

So for people sort of managing steps on their iWatch, that's somewhere between 14,000 and 20,000 steps per day. Sort of just baseline level, you know? often against our will, we were forced into a full sprint, right? Sometimes being chased by an ungulate or whatever. And then we lifted and carried heavy things, right? We, you know, chopped wood and carried water, etc.

So for people sort of managing steps on their iWatch, that's somewhere between 14,000 and 20,000 steps per day. Sort of just baseline level, you know? often against our will, we were forced into a full sprint, right? Sometimes being chased by an ungulate or whatever. And then we lifted and carried heavy things, right? We, you know, chopped wood and carried water, etc.

So for people sort of managing steps on their iWatch, that's somewhere between 14,000 and 20,000 steps per day. Sort of just baseline level, you know? often against our will, we were forced into a full sprint, right? Sometimes being chased by an ungulate or whatever. And then we lifted and carried heavy things, right? We, you know, chopped wood and carried water, etc.

Yeah, reverence is my Buddhist acolysm. But Of course, now we've essentially denuded that from society. And so we sit at these desk jobs, 94% of our time is spent indoors. You know, again, the body is just doing what it is programmed to do. So there's this... And even...

Yeah, reverence is my Buddhist acolysm. But Of course, now we've essentially denuded that from society. And so we sit at these desk jobs, 94% of our time is spent indoors. You know, again, the body is just doing what it is programmed to do. So there's this... And even...

Yeah, reverence is my Buddhist acolysm. But Of course, now we've essentially denuded that from society. And so we sit at these desk jobs, 94% of our time is spent indoors. You know, again, the body is just doing what it is programmed to do. So there's this... And even...

You know, our approach to exercise is very, I guess, sort of reflective of this kind of our productization or our commodification of everything. So we have 45,000 gyms in the United States, yet our obesity rates continue to raise year over year. Like now they're somewhere around 44%, 45% obesity rates, not just overweight, obesity rates.

You know, our approach to exercise is very, I guess, sort of reflective of this kind of our productization or our commodification of everything. So we have 45,000 gyms in the United States, yet our obesity rates continue to raise year over year. Like now they're somewhere around 44%, 45% obesity rates, not just overweight, obesity rates.

You know, our approach to exercise is very, I guess, sort of reflective of this kind of our productization or our commodification of everything. So we have 45,000 gyms in the United States, yet our obesity rates continue to raise year over year. Like now they're somewhere around 44%, 45% obesity rates, not just overweight, obesity rates.

So despite having 45,000 places to sweat and grunt, right, on a regular basis, we keep getting more and more unhealthy. So what's going on there? Well, we tend to productize exercise. And I did this for years where there was like a little blip, a little fluorescent blip at the bottom of my Google calendar that says, Jeff will sit, you know,

So despite having 45,000 places to sweat and grunt, right, on a regular basis, we keep getting more and more unhealthy. So what's going on there? Well, we tend to productize exercise. And I did this for years where there was like a little blip, a little fluorescent blip at the bottom of my Google calendar that says, Jeff will sit, you know,

So despite having 45,000 places to sweat and grunt, right, on a regular basis, we keep getting more and more unhealthy. So what's going on there? Well, we tend to productize exercise. And I did this for years where there was like a little blip, a little fluorescent blip at the bottom of my Google calendar that says, Jeff will sit, you know,

all day, and then he'll go to the gym from like 6 to 6.45 and sweat it out on the treadmill, you know? And that's just... That approach to exercise simply does not work. It obviously does not work. We see that. So...

all day, and then he'll go to the gym from like 6 to 6.45 and sweat it out on the treadmill, you know? And that's just... That approach to exercise simply does not work. It obviously does not work. We see that. So...

all day, and then he'll go to the gym from like 6 to 6.45 and sweat it out on the treadmill, you know? And that's just... That approach to exercise simply does not work. It obviously does not work. We see that. So...

As I started to kind of unpack, you know, all of these different evolutionary mismatches, candidly, by necessity, because I got very, very, very sick, and somewhat out of curiosity too, but really, I had to address real serious issues in my life. I began to really examine all of these different aspects of life. And I started to come back to one simple question. How did I evolve? How did I evolve?

As I started to kind of unpack, you know, all of these different evolutionary mismatches, candidly, by necessity, because I got very, very, very sick, and somewhat out of curiosity too, but really, I had to address real serious issues in my life. I began to really examine all of these different aspects of life. And I started to come back to one simple question. How did I evolve? How did I evolve?

As I started to kind of unpack, you know, all of these different evolutionary mismatches, candidly, by necessity, because I got very, very, very sick, and somewhat out of curiosity too, but really, I had to address real serious issues in my life. I began to really examine all of these different aspects of life. And I started to come back to one simple question. How did I evolve? How did I evolve?

Yeah, I mean, I have a bit of survivor's guilt associated with it because obviously we both have communities that have lost a tremendous amount. And, you know, when the fires first started, I really surrendered to our place, Commune Topanga. potentially being reduced to ash. And this was a moment kind of where the spiritual rubber sort of meets the hard, unforgiving reality, right?

Yeah, I mean, I have a bit of survivor's guilt associated with it because obviously we both have communities that have lost a tremendous amount. And, you know, when the fires first started, I really surrendered to our place, Commune Topanga. potentially being reduced to ash. And this was a moment kind of where the spiritual rubber sort of meets the hard, unforgiving reality, right?

Yeah, I mean, I have a bit of survivor's guilt associated with it because obviously we both have communities that have lost a tremendous amount. And, you know, when the fires first started, I really surrendered to our place, Commune Topanga. potentially being reduced to ash. And this was a moment kind of where the spiritual rubber sort of meets the hard, unforgiving reality, right?

Because this organism is the product of hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution, millions of years of hominid evolution before that. You know, I am really just...

Because this organism is the product of hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution, millions of years of hominid evolution before that. You know, I am really just...

Because this organism is the product of hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution, millions of years of hominid evolution before that. You know, I am really just...

the sum total of the intelligence of the universe experiencing itself as me here and now you know i've am the intelligence brought forward of eight billion years you know or 13.8 if you want to go all the way back so and i started to try to live in alignment with how I evolved.

the sum total of the intelligence of the universe experiencing itself as me here and now you know i've am the intelligence brought forward of eight billion years you know or 13.8 if you want to go all the way back so and i started to try to live in alignment with how I evolved.

the sum total of the intelligence of the universe experiencing itself as me here and now you know i've am the intelligence brought forward of eight billion years you know or 13.8 if you want to go all the way back so and i started to try to live in alignment with how I evolved.

And that started to, from there, I started to populate kind of an amalgam of what I call good stress protocols, or sometimes the protocols of inconvenience. Like putting myself out, testing the edges of my comfort zone.

And that started to, from there, I started to populate kind of an amalgam of what I call good stress protocols, or sometimes the protocols of inconvenience. Like putting myself out, testing the edges of my comfort zone.

And that started to, from there, I started to populate kind of an amalgam of what I call good stress protocols, or sometimes the protocols of inconvenience. Like putting myself out, testing the edges of my comfort zone.

So whether that related to lifting heavy things or temperature regulation or fasting or exposure to light, all those physiological things became very, very central to my practice in life. And then I also started to apply some of those stressors or adversity memetics to my psychosocial life.

So whether that related to lifting heavy things or temperature regulation or fasting or exposure to light, all those physiological things became very, very central to my practice in life. And then I also started to apply some of those stressors or adversity memetics to my psychosocial life.

So whether that related to lifting heavy things or temperature regulation or fasting or exposure to light, all those physiological things became very, very central to my practice in life. And then I also started to apply some of those stressors or adversity memetics to my psychosocial life.

Really started to lean into really like stressful conversations and pushing myself to have conversations that I really would have generally avoided. And what I realized is that doing hard things has incredible benefits. And it also makes doing other hard things easier.

Really started to lean into really like stressful conversations and pushing myself to have conversations that I really would have generally avoided. And what I realized is that doing hard things has incredible benefits. And it also makes doing other hard things easier.

Really started to lean into really like stressful conversations and pushing myself to have conversations that I really would have generally avoided. And what I realized is that doing hard things has incredible benefits. And it also makes doing other hard things easier.

Yeah, I mean, we so often associate health with downward spirals. But upward spirals are completely possible. And it really doesn't take that long for your body to gain momentum. And the feeling around that is so vibrant and addictive. And it is available to people. But, you know, a lot of my health journey really started with more of a spiritual quest, if you will.

Yeah, I mean, we so often associate health with downward spirals. But upward spirals are completely possible. And it really doesn't take that long for your body to gain momentum. And the feeling around that is so vibrant and addictive. And it is available to people. But, you know, a lot of my health journey really started with more of a spiritual quest, if you will.

Yeah, I mean, we so often associate health with downward spirals. But upward spirals are completely possible. And it really doesn't take that long for your body to gain momentum. And the feeling around that is so vibrant and addictive. And it is available to people. But, you know, a lot of my health journey really started with more of a spiritual quest, if you will.

And, you know, part of my spiritual practice is non-attachment, right? That I can be here and now with my full passionate self, but unattached to result. the buddha's teachings but then when you're faced with the reality right of like oh my god this place that i've built where i've forged so many deep profound relationships This place is at risk. It might disappear.

And, you know, part of my spiritual practice is non-attachment, right? That I can be here and now with my full passionate self, but unattached to result. the buddha's teachings but then when you're faced with the reality right of like oh my god this place that i've built where i've forged so many deep profound relationships This place is at risk. It might disappear.

And, you know, part of my spiritual practice is non-attachment, right? That I can be here and now with my full passionate self, but unattached to result. the buddha's teachings but then when you're faced with the reality right of like oh my god this place that i've built where i've forged so many deep profound relationships This place is at risk. It might disappear.

In some ways, there were two inquests converging, sort of a mystical one and a medical one. And because I was deficient in both, candidly. And the more I studied the physical, candidly, the more metaphysical truths were revealed. In fact, for anyone listening who is interested in the metaphysical, study the physical. Because that is where the foundational intelligence of the cosmos is patterned.

In some ways, there were two inquests converging, sort of a mystical one and a medical one. And because I was deficient in both, candidly. And the more I studied the physical, candidly, the more metaphysical truths were revealed. In fact, for anyone listening who is interested in the metaphysical, study the physical. Because that is where the foundational intelligence of the cosmos is patterned.

In some ways, there were two inquests converging, sort of a mystical one and a medical one. And because I was deficient in both, candidly. And the more I studied the physical, candidly, the more metaphysical truths were revealed. In fact, for anyone listening who is interested in the metaphysical, study the physical. Because that is where the foundational intelligence of the cosmos is patterned.

So my beginning really required me to take kind of a biopsychosocial intake of my own life, really, kind of an inventory. And so many of us become the story that we tell ourselves about ourselves, and we get anchored in that identity. That I am sort of this fixed Jeff whose fate was poorly written in the genetic stars, right?

So my beginning really required me to take kind of a biopsychosocial intake of my own life, really, kind of an inventory. And so many of us become the story that we tell ourselves about ourselves, and we get anchored in that identity. That I am sort of this fixed Jeff whose fate was poorly written in the genetic stars, right?

So my beginning really required me to take kind of a biopsychosocial intake of my own life, really, kind of an inventory. And so many of us become the story that we tell ourselves about ourselves, and we get anchored in that identity. That I am sort of this fixed Jeff whose fate was poorly written in the genetic stars, right?

I'll just be that chubby kid that was moving around from country to country. I'll really never be quite good enough. I'll never be liked. And because of that, I will compensate and essentially... compromise my authenticity at every single turn in order to be liked. That was the story that I told myself about myself for almost five decades.

I'll just be that chubby kid that was moving around from country to country. I'll really never be quite good enough. I'll never be liked. And because of that, I will compensate and essentially... compromise my authenticity at every single turn in order to be liked. That was the story that I told myself about myself for almost five decades.

I'll just be that chubby kid that was moving around from country to country. I'll really never be quite good enough. I'll never be liked. And because of that, I will compensate and essentially... compromise my authenticity at every single turn in order to be liked. That was the story that I told myself about myself for almost five decades.

So realizing, having the awakening that change was actually possible was essential to my journey. And I think it's essential to many people's journey because we have been taught as part of kind of 20th century science that essentially our genes determine our fate.

So realizing, having the awakening that change was actually possible was essential to my journey. And I think it's essential to many people's journey because we have been taught as part of kind of 20th century science that essentially our genes determine our fate.

So realizing, having the awakening that change was actually possible was essential to my journey. And I think it's essential to many people's journey because we have been taught as part of kind of 20th century science that essentially our genes determine our fate.

And, you know, this was, you know, in some ways quite an incredible revelation that Watson and Crick had in the early 1950s where they like say, oh, we found the secret to life. It's called the double helix. It's the structure of DNA. And this is how genes replicate so efficiently. And if we can just map that genome, we can discover every source of an origin of every disease.

And, you know, this was, you know, in some ways quite an incredible revelation that Watson and Crick had in the early 1950s where they like say, oh, we found the secret to life. It's called the double helix. It's the structure of DNA. And this is how genes replicate so efficiently. And if we can just map that genome, we can discover every source of an origin of every disease.

And, you know, this was, you know, in some ways quite an incredible revelation that Watson and Crick had in the early 1950s where they like say, oh, we found the secret to life. It's called the double helix. It's the structure of DNA. And this is how genes replicate so efficiently. And if we can just map that genome, we can discover every source of an origin of every disease.

And then we can address that by addressing those particular genes and those underlying nucleotide sequences. Of course, once we actually mapped the human genome and finished in about 2004 with the Human Genome Project, we realized that we had the same amount of genes as a guppy. We had less than a grape. We had about 22,300 non-redundant protein-coding genes. And so...

And then we can address that by addressing those particular genes and those underlying nucleotide sequences. Of course, once we actually mapped the human genome and finished in about 2004 with the Human Genome Project, we realized that we had the same amount of genes as a guppy. We had less than a grape. We had about 22,300 non-redundant protein-coding genes. And so...

And then we can address that by addressing those particular genes and those underlying nucleotide sequences. Of course, once we actually mapped the human genome and finished in about 2004 with the Human Genome Project, we realized that we had the same amount of genes as a guppy. We had less than a grape. We had about 22,300 non-redundant protein-coding genes. And so...

It's not really the genes, really. It's the expression of the genes. And this is where a lot of my more scientific study started to bleed into revealing of some of the greater mystical truths about what it is like to be human. This started to populate this concept called the Tao of Health, which has a number of different axioms or tenants to them. One of them is impermanence.

It's not really the genes, really. It's the expression of the genes. And this is where a lot of my more scientific study started to bleed into revealing of some of the greater mystical truths about what it is like to be human. This started to populate this concept called the Tao of Health, which has a number of different axioms or tenants to them. One of them is impermanence.

It's not really the genes, really. It's the expression of the genes. And this is where a lot of my more scientific study started to bleed into revealing of some of the greater mystical truths about what it is like to be human. This started to populate this concept called the Tao of Health, which has a number of different axioms or tenants to them. One of them is impermanence.

We briefly referred to that at the beginning of the podcast. But this was a revelation that, of course, the Buddha had 2,500 years ago sitting under the Bodhi tree. In Sanskrit, I think it's called anika. But the fact that everything in the universe, including you and me and this rug, this camera, et cetera, is impermanent. It will eventually decay.

We briefly referred to that at the beginning of the podcast. But this was a revelation that, of course, the Buddha had 2,500 years ago sitting under the Bodhi tree. In Sanskrit, I think it's called anika. But the fact that everything in the universe, including you and me and this rug, this camera, et cetera, is impermanent. It will eventually decay.

We briefly referred to that at the beginning of the podcast. But this was a revelation that, of course, the Buddha had 2,500 years ago sitting under the Bodhi tree. In Sanskrit, I think it's called anika. But the fact that everything in the universe, including you and me and this rug, this camera, et cetera, is impermanent. It will eventually decay.

So clinging onto anything and craving anything is just futile and will lead to a tremendous amount of suffering because we are all impermanent. That really violates my sense of identity, right? Because, like, I wake up in the morning. Andre wakes up in the morning. We tootle into the bathroom. We sort of, like, flex a tiny bit and be like, there's Andre. Don't jump me in here.

So clinging onto anything and craving anything is just futile and will lead to a tremendous amount of suffering because we are all impermanent. That really violates my sense of identity, right? Because, like, I wake up in the morning. Andre wakes up in the morning. We tootle into the bathroom. We sort of, like, flex a tiny bit and be like, there's Andre. Don't jump me in here.

So clinging onto anything and craving anything is just futile and will lead to a tremendous amount of suffering because we are all impermanent. That really violates my sense of identity, right? Because, like, I wake up in the morning. Andre wakes up in the morning. We tootle into the bathroom. We sort of, like, flex a tiny bit and be like, there's Andre. Don't jump me in here.

And I look more or less the same as Jeff did yesterday. So there's a... Our sense of... identity is often anchored in this physical continuity of like, there's Jeff, there's a stable and reliable Jeff, you know? You know, any even brief excavation into human physiology reveals that that's like complete bollocks. You know, that is a complete and utter total delusion.

And I look more or less the same as Jeff did yesterday. So there's a... Our sense of... identity is often anchored in this physical continuity of like, there's Jeff, there's a stable and reliable Jeff, you know? You know, any even brief excavation into human physiology reveals that that's like complete bollocks. You know, that is a complete and utter total delusion.

And I look more or less the same as Jeff did yesterday. So there's a... Our sense of... identity is often anchored in this physical continuity of like, there's Jeff, there's a stable and reliable Jeff, you know? You know, any even brief excavation into human physiology reveals that that's like complete bollocks. You know, that is a complete and utter total delusion.

You know, we are nothing but change. We are seven octillion self-assembled atoms that were originally forged in the crucible of some supernova eight billion years ago. experiencing 37 billion billion, that's not a typo, chemical reactions per second. Per second. I am... I'm not even close to the same person right now than I was when I sat down and began this conversation.

You know, we are nothing but change. We are seven octillion self-assembled atoms that were originally forged in the crucible of some supernova eight billion years ago. experiencing 37 billion billion, that's not a typo, chemical reactions per second. Per second. I am... I'm not even close to the same person right now than I was when I sat down and began this conversation.

You know, we are nothing but change. We are seven octillion self-assembled atoms that were originally forged in the crucible of some supernova eight billion years ago. experiencing 37 billion billion, that's not a typo, chemical reactions per second. Per second. I am... I'm not even close to the same person right now than I was when I sat down and began this conversation.

And if you look kind of deeper into my organism, what you will find is 39 trillion prokaryotes, these little bacteria and archaea and fungi, these single-celled organisms. You know, they're on my skin, they're in my aura. Increasingly, we're finding them in every organ, but largely they're kind of partying down in the den of my colon. And these little bacteria, these gut bugs...

And if you look kind of deeper into my organism, what you will find is 39 trillion prokaryotes, these little bacteria and archaea and fungi, these single-celled organisms. You know, they're on my skin, they're in my aura. Increasingly, we're finding them in every organ, but largely they're kind of partying down in the den of my colon. And these little bacteria, these gut bugs...

And if you look kind of deeper into my organism, what you will find is 39 trillion prokaryotes, these little bacteria and archaea and fungi, these single-celled organisms. You know, they're on my skin, they're in my aura. Increasingly, we're finding them in every organ, but largely they're kind of partying down in the den of my colon. And these little bacteria, these gut bugs...

And in a way, like crisis often does, it forces you to really examine the nature of things and say, what is the most important, potent component? Why do I have such sadness inside? And of course, as I meditated on that, It wasn't for risk of actually losing the physical place, per se. Of course, that would be hard and logistically difficult.

And in a way, like crisis often does, it forces you to really examine the nature of things and say, what is the most important, potent component? Why do I have such sadness inside? And of course, as I meditated on that, It wasn't for risk of actually losing the physical place, per se. Of course, that would be hard and logistically difficult.

And in a way, like crisis often does, it forces you to really examine the nature of things and say, what is the most important, potent component? Why do I have such sadness inside? And of course, as I meditated on that, It wasn't for risk of actually losing the physical place, per se. Of course, that would be hard and logistically difficult.

are regulate almost like every system in my body. And if you were to sum total of their DNA, it's like they have 150 times my DNA. And they're turning over like every four minutes to 24 hours. So I am in complete flux all of the time.

are regulate almost like every system in my body. And if you were to sum total of their DNA, it's like they have 150 times my DNA. And they're turning over like every four minutes to 24 hours. So I am in complete flux all of the time.

are regulate almost like every system in my body. And if you were to sum total of their DNA, it's like they have 150 times my DNA. And they're turning over like every four minutes to 24 hours. So I am in complete flux all of the time.

And sort of embracing this idea that I am process and not product was really empowering for me because if I am process, then my diabetes that I was diagnosed with five years ago was also just process. And so is every other disease. And that health really exists along this dynamic spectrum. And that we have a certain amount of jurisdiction or agency over our trajectory on that spectrum.

And sort of embracing this idea that I am process and not product was really empowering for me because if I am process, then my diabetes that I was diagnosed with five years ago was also just process. And so is every other disease. And that health really exists along this dynamic spectrum. And that we have a certain amount of jurisdiction or agency over our trajectory on that spectrum.

And sort of embracing this idea that I am process and not product was really empowering for me because if I am process, then my diabetes that I was diagnosed with five years ago was also just process. And so is every other disease. And that health really exists along this dynamic spectrum. And that we have a certain amount of jurisdiction or agency over our trajectory on that spectrum.