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Jamie Woolf

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TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

So we, Dr. Bell and I, collect research on this.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

So a recent Harris poll found that 71% of employees have had what they would call a toxic boss.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

And over half of them have had nightmares about this boss.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

And you know how that goes.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

You're out with friends, you're thinking about your boss, you're home with your family, you're thinking about your boss.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

And now...

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

You're lying awake at 3 a.m.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

and you're thinking, I need to quit.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

And that's an expensive problem for businesses, not just in the lost productivity and the turnover costs, but in all the brilliant creative ideas that never rise to the surface because people were too afraid to speak up.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

So why is this so widespread?

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

Part of the problem is that when we rise to positions of power, we fall prey to what we call power blindness.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

We lose sight of how it feels to be the one with less power.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

And we lose sight of how our tone of voice or the quick dismissal of an idea can ruin someone's day.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

And just by virtue of our title,

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

People stop telling us the truth.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

They don't give us the tough feedback.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

They don't even disagree with us.

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Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

They laugh at our stupid jokes.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

And this creates a massive reality distortion.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

And I fell into that reality distortion.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

I fell into that real hard.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

So fast forward from my surgery story, and now I'm a boss.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

I'm 32 years old, and I'm leading a training team at the University of California at Berkeley.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

I have eight direct reports, we're gelling as a team, we're putting out all sorts of creative training programs, and you know what?

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

I'm a good boss.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

One day, one of my employees comes into my office, and she says she wants to talk.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

but she's crying so hard she can't speak.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

So of course I'm concerned, but I'm also a little irritated because I have this budget report due at the end of the day and I've got to get back to it.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

When she finally gathers herself enough to speak, she tells me that she has been working so hard to deliver this training program and she's invited me multiple times to come and observe.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

and I've been too busy to show up.

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Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

And more than that, she feels like I play favorites.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

So now I'm thinking, holy crap, I'm the wretched boss.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

And that's power blindness in action.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

I knew that I had had a truly wretched boss the day I learned I needed surgery.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

So my sobbing employee, I failed to see her.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

But she saw me.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

She saw me a little too well.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

When she gave me that feedback, I felt this gut punch of shame.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

And I want to say I owned it right away.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

So I was 26 years old, and they were telling me this surgery might mean I can't have kids.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

But I didn't.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

I did what, let's be honest, so many of us do when we get tough feedback.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

I blocked that shame.

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Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

I built walls around me.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

I built a fortress of solitude, just me and my self-justifications.

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Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

Well, it was the workplace, so it was a cubicle of solitude.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

And from inside here, my employee, she's the problem.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

Her accusations of favoritism, I had a logical explanation for all of that.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

So inside my cubicle, what's problematic about that is outside, all sorts of bad things might be happening.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

People might be upset, feeling demoralized, but they can't get into these walls.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

So inside, I'm feeling just fine.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

I'm a good boss.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

But of course, you can't be a good boss and be that disconnected.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

So how do I get out of here?

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

It starts with a healthy dose of honest self-reflection.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

So I was devastated, but my strongest emotion was this surge of excitement because this meant five weeks away from a boss who had made my life miserable.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

So when my employee gave me the feedback, that armor was protecting my ego, but it cost me the ability to be a good, supportive, humane boss.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

So eventually, I got it, and I started to show up for my employees' trainings, so I could give her meaningful feedback and positive recognition, and I started to carve out time to take her to lunch and get to know her as a person.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

And not just that, I also reached out to the other people on my team who I hadn't spent as much time with, and I got to know them as full people too.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

And I'll tell you, that significantly deepened the trust, the ability for us to collaborate as an entire team.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

Thank you.

TED Talks Daily
Why good people become bad bosses | Jamie Woolf and Christopher Bell

And just to be clear, I have two wonderful kids, and part of why I'm here today is they have had more than their fair of terrible bosses, and they're very early in their career.