James Holland

Didn't see so much action at the end, but like a lot of British troops, if you were in a certain division at a certain time, you ended up passing very close to Belsen and you suddenly realized, okay, this was the right thing to do. We did have to get rid of Nazis and we did have to do this because this is the consequence. It's not just the oppression. It's just not just the secret police. It's not

Didn't see so much action at the end, but like a lot of British troops, if you were in a certain division at a certain time, you ended up passing very close to Belsen and you suddenly realized, okay, this was the right thing to do. We did have to get rid of Nazis and we did have to do this because this is the consequence. It's not just the oppression. It's just not just the secret police. It's not

You know, we did have to get rid of Nazis and we did have to do this because this is the consequence.

It's not just the oppression.

It's just not just the secret police.

It's not

just the expansionism of Nazism.

just the expansionism of Nazism. It is also the Holocaust, which hadn't been given its name at that point. But you're witnessing this kind of untold cruelty. And I've always sort of

just the expansionism of Nazism. It is also the Holocaust, which hadn't been given its name at that point. But you're witnessing this kind of untold cruelty. And I've always sort of

just the expansionism of Nazism. It is also the Holocaust, which hadn't been given its name at that point. But you're witnessing this kind of untold cruelty. And I've always sort of

It is also the Holocaust, which hadn't been given its name at that point.

But you're witnessing this kind of untold cruelty.

And I've always sort of...

think a lot about sam i mean he's no longer with us but um he was one of the kind of first people that i interviewed and i interviewed him at great length uh and i know you like a long interview lex and um and i totally totally get that because when you have a when you have a long interview you really start getting to the nuts and bolts of it one of the frustrations for me when i'm looking at at oral histories of of second world war vets is usually they're kind of

think a lot about sam i mean he's no longer with us but um he was one of the kind of first people that i interviewed and i interviewed him at great length uh and i know you like a long interview lex and um and i totally totally get that because when you have a when you have a long interview you really start getting to the nuts and bolts of it one of the frustrations for me when i'm looking at at oral histories of of second world war vets is usually they're kind of

think a lot about sam i mean he's no longer with us but um he was one of the kind of first people that i interviewed and i interviewed him at great length uh and i know you like a long interview lex and um and i totally totally get that because when you have a when you have a long interview you really start getting to the nuts and bolts of it one of the frustrations for me when i'm looking at at oral histories of of second world war vets is usually they're kind of

think a lot about sam i mean he's no longer with us but um he was one of the kind of first people that i interviewed and i interviewed him at great length uh and i know you like a long interview lex and um and i totally totally get that because when you have a when you have a long interview you really start getting to the nuts and bolts of it one of the frustrations for me when i'm looking at at oral histories of of second world war vets is usually they're kind of

They're put on YouTube or they're put on a museum website.

They're put on YouTube or they're put on a museum website. They're 30 minutes, you know, an hour if you're lucky. And they're just scratching the surface. You never really get to know it. You feel that they're just repeating kind of stuff they've read in books themselves after the war and stuff.

They're put on YouTube or they're put on a museum website. They're 30 minutes, you know, an hour if you're lucky. And they're just scratching the surface. You never really get to know it. You feel that they're just repeating kind of stuff they've read in books themselves after the war and stuff.