Ian Carroll
Appearances
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
There's an open piece of evidence of some kids that showed up covered in mud at a car shop that they worked at. It was like a dry day. They showed up covered in mud. There's a certain guy that theorized that they were hiding in a manhole and shot up at him out of the manhole and that the car slows down in real life and that witnesses saw the car slow down.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
And that there's dropped frames from this Epruder film. And it's like, these are these kinds of theories where it's like, it's like, how do you dig into that and like prove that? And the answer is you have to get to primary sources. You have to get to like, is there a police report for that kid showing up? Like, is there, is that location real? Like, can you corroborate any of this?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
And the unfortunate truth is you could, if you could fucking see the files that our government was hiding from us. Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
That's a big part of what I do. How likely is it that this is a coincidence? Is it even possible? Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
Well, I'm not, I'm, I'm as deep as the ricochet underneath the overpass.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah. Like I'm deep enough to know the basics, but there's so many layers and you have to read the books. You have to watch the films. You have to like, you gotta talk to interviews. Exactly.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
And that's why I was curious to hear your takes, because you've actually talked to these people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
And he's not just been studying it forever, he's been studying the actual primary source documents themselves, and reading the real archives that are released.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
Dude. So I didn't know about Jolly until I read Chaos. And then I started digging it because I knew about MKUltra. I've been learning about MKUltra when I was a kid doing psychedelics. But I didn't really understand anything about that history or anything around the CIA back then.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
No, I'm a generalist, and I rely on people like that because I could never stay with something for that long.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
He could have written a book about each of those sketchy dudes that he had questions about. Each of those CIA guys, each of those weird doctors.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
I suspect they're, I mean, to me, the big question is that seems like the first, like, like for sure that's going on, right? Yeah. Is to co-opt the hippie. I mean, first the hippie movement probably was to co-opt the anti-war movement. That was pretty buttoned up. Like, I suspect that LSD did not just escape the lab. I suspect they were like, quick, turn all these kids into crazy hippies.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
It's a good example of how the mainstream narrative had Nixon as a crook. And he's just one of many examples, right? And when you really start to look into it, you realize, I mean, probably not the greatest guy, but what was the real story there? What were they framing? Why were they trying to get him out?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
Like, try this out, try this out, try this out. Really? Yeah, so check this out. Have you read Strange Scenes Inside Laurel Canyon?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
So, I mean, even just the first chapter, right? There was a very powerful organized anti-war movement led by a bunch of Quakers, a bunch of black activists, a bunch of like my dad was one of them. And it was not this hippie fringe thing. It was a very powerful anti-Vietnam protest. And the moment that LSD gets introduced, it becomes all peace and love.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
And he points out in that book how all of these people like Frank Zappa, like lead members of the doors, people organize the Monterey Pop Festival over and over and over. Like he probably has two to three dozen examples specifically goes deep into that. They all just happen to move from wherever they are all over the world. into this area in LA that is not a hotbed for music.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
And they all just start making music about peace and love and doing LSD. And all of them have parents that are from special forces, intelligence operations, Pentagon. Some of the musicians themselves have backgrounds that look exactly like CIA operatives that were doing revolutions in Cuba and overseas.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
Like the lead singer of The Doors, Jim Morrison, for example. Frank Zappa. So Frank Zappa is one where his dad and his mom were both. Frank Zappa's dad worked at the base that is that was like the chemical weapons, like where they did their chemical weapons research.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
His dad was a chemical weapons specialist in like top secret clearances, which is basically like when you read about what his dad was, it sounds a lot like what MK Ultra would be. It sounds a lot like what.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
you would like drug they're drug experiments and chemical weapons is drug experience chemical is the wrong word um psychological operations um but it's right there like it's on his wikipedia page it's not hard to find these things what what that guy did that i forget who wrote the book but what he did was not like find uncover evidence that had never been uncovered he just looked at all these different people whose histories were very public but
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
But he put it all together and realized like that's a lot of people that all moved to this one place and all started producing music that was like all within this one thing. Like Jim Morrison, his dad was the lead commander of the boat that was in the Gulf of Tonkin that started the Vietnam War. That's like kind of a weird coincidence. Yeah. And you could definitely make the explanation that...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
Kids often rebel against their parents, right? Kids often step out of line and are like, fuck the old way. But a lot of them were ex-military, like directly ex-suits and ex-CIA.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
No, that was just me giving examples. The guy specifically that he said that had the history that was, that looked, he was doing what looked like color revolutions in Cuba. Because I'm not super familiar with the music of that time, I might forget what band he was in. It might have been the Mamas and the Papas. There was a couple of guys in the Mamas and Papas that he did deep dives in.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
Well, a lot of them didn't write their own songs. Yeah. And, I mean, like, you can't fake town.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
Jim Morrison was fucking good. Oh, no, Jim... Yeah, some of them were great. Jim Morrison was fucking good. Some of them were great.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
It also makes fertile ground for COINTELPRO. When you have things like drugs and drug culture, like fertile ground for COINTELPRO.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
And then he did like hypnotism and like weird speeches.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
It really does look like... And the thing is that I respect Tom O'Neill so much because he didn't try to claim things he couldn't prove. Right. But he just put it all out there and is like, this is what I'm seeing and think what you think.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
And it looks to me like you're saying that Manson was either directly trained to practice these things and carry them out or he was sort of like a patsy in the operation that they kind of like... Gave him the setting within which to just go along his megalomaniacal impulses and just kind of kept tabs on him and kept him safe and just kept him going.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
I think he wasn't a part of it because of how effective he was.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
It's crazy how many people that wind up in these weird positions came out of like, you were in prison, then you got released, or you were in trouble, and then you got... And the girls, like, the girls, it's crazy. Those girls, like, some of them had committed some minor crimes, but a lot of them were just regular people. And then suddenly they become, like, absolute, like, murderers.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah. I mean, the dark thing that, I mean, we don't need to go into it because it's real dark, but I think that when you study the MKUltra files, and this is where there's a lot of conspiracy theories that are hard to prove. There's a bunch of witness victim testimony, but it's hard to prove, is the Monarch programs are an alleged program that never got disclosed.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
And that's all the programs that are hidden behind child sexual abuse being a part of mind control. Because a lot of the drugs, like... They can break people's minds and they can be involved in mind control. But a lot of those papers talk about dissociative identity disorder as like the holy grail of that Manchurian candidate concept.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
And it makes a lot of sense if you know how dissociative identity disorder works. And that is most commonly associated with dark, grim childhood sexual abuse.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
And then you get all these victim testimonies, hundreds and hundreds of people these days talking about how they were a part of these programs, like people that were on Epstein's Island that claimed to have been victimized as children and subjected to mind control experiments paired with childhood sexual abuse.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah, I mean. You get people to do things. Break Jack Ruby's mind in an instant. In jail, yeah. And the craziest thing is that we've been living in a world where for all of our history until the internet, and really until recent internet history, they could do those things and just not have anyone report on it. Exactly. And so no one would ever even know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
I mean, how often is it that they're allowing someone that they aren't sure about to get to president, and they're sticking them with a VP that is their guy, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
And I think that there's this feeling that the world is so dark right now because we're learning everything. And I actually take the opposite view. I think that the light is being shown and the world is super dark. There's all kinds of crazy, horrible people, but there's all kinds of crazy good people, everything in between. And you have to shine the light on it all before you can fix it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
Oh, no. No, no, no, no, no. I mean, I'm at the point where I'm starting to get, like, I'm not literally that paranoid, but I've had some conversations in terms of, like, people that want to leak a story, which I normally just avoid because I don't want to touch it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
But every now and then I'm like, let's go on a walk because I don't want to hear what you have to say around any of this shit because I know it's being recorded. I know it can be listened to.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
No, it's just an iPhone. Yeah. I'm aspiring to get one of those like one of the Eric Prince phones or something like that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
But the way I look at it is so I intentionally do all of my stuff. I basically do open source investigations. I don't try to like break news stories. Right. Because it's way safer and it's way more interesting. And I don't – my goal is not to like – to like know everything or to be some great journalist.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
My goal is to inspire everybody else, like to inspire the world to think a little more and to be more critical and to look it up for yourself.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
One finger gets taken away. TikTok will delete one finger if I'm pointing with one finger. Why? Because it's a green screen app. And so I'm using the camera. And in my camera, it's putting the thing behind me. But it's cutting out me. And if I only use one finger, it cuts my whole hand away. So I started doing this.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
Just because the green screen, when it's trying to AI analyze what is a body and what is the background, it'll take away my hand as though it's the background. Oh, how weird.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
I mean, to be fair, I've had a level of success that is unprecedented. And people call me a controlled opposition because of it. And it's like, whatever, dude. If I was in all of their seats, I would probably be like, where did this dude come from? But at a certain point, it's like an intense level of suspicion.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah. And for me, for me, it's really interesting because and you know this, too. You've been in this game for forever is when you actually get to meet people in real life. You learn things about them. You get that vibe of them. It's not it's not impenetrable. You can be fooled. But like how much can you fool and can you fool all your employees all the time? Like Alex Jones is a great example.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
People call him controlled opposite. Like he's bought by the Jews. He's bought by the commies. He's bought by the, and it's like, cool. But I know all of his staff and I've hung out with them. And like, you've known him over years and years. Like, is he faking his entire life? Like I've been on his show. I've seen what he was doing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah. I mean Trump is a weird guy to like who knows what's going on with Trump right now.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah. Yeah, I learned the other day that he started InfoWars, like he officially founded InfoWars, like when I was two years old or something like that. It blew my brain. So it was like, what?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah, he's the most fun I love Trump conspiracy theories because people get so riled up and it's so partisan and political but within it there's all this like juicy like meat for for thinking about it's like not even conspiracy theories it's just like his history and
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
Almost sounds like a few events of the last couple years, you know?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
Funny how that—I mean, that's a—I'm really interested in, like, looking for, like, right now with all these new people coming in, Cash and Pam and all the picks, RFK, I'm really enjoying the process of just trying to watch their actions and trying to figure out who's doing what and how much are they going to play to the money and play to the people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
And it's just such a fascinating exercise in journalism of where do you kind of—and how much leeway do you give them? How much grace do you give them?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
Especially with the Epstein blackmail hanging as a cloud over the entire federal government. I don't think that any of those three are blackmailed, but I don't feel confident that I know that they're not. Let's look at it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
No, blackmail is just, I know something that you don't want out and any level of threatening that it'll get out or, you know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
Oh, a hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. Reverse. Yeah. That's the opposite. So that's bribery, I guess. Yeah. Kind of, it's just, yeah, that's deal making. But I think that a lot of Epstein's targets were willing. I think that a lot of them, because I think that we're talking, it's not just Jeffrey Epstein, it's organized crime as a network. Like he's just an employee of organized crime.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
And especially with the Epstein stuff now and his history with Epstein, it just gets me so interested in, you'll never know the real story.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
And I think that a lot of those people are basically saying, yeah, I want into the club. Because if you are like a Reid Hoffman, or allegedly, if you're one of those guys and you want more contracts or you want more deals, like allegedly, and let's be clear, just because I say something on Joe's podcast does not mean that Joe fucking agrees with me, CNN. Thank you.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
Because, like, I'm a crazy fucker. And I got all kinds of theories about Epstein. But, like, I think that a lot of them were willing. Because I think a lot of them are... I mean, if you're sick enough to rape a child, like, on Jeffrey Epstein's island, you're sick enough to want into that club.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
You never heard about Bill Gates? I didn't know he was into kids. Oh, dude. I mean, he's one of Epstein's closest confidants. Here's the thing about the Epstein thing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
Child trafficking rings get exposed and brought down around the world relatively frequently, like at least once a year. But they usually don't make big news because they're usually not like Epstein.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
The elite experience. And what you're talking about is it's such an important concept is that some people, like if you wanted to pay for an underage prostitute, you can pay for that. There are women that would be prostitutes underage. The people that we're talking about in the Epstein files that were – that wanted underage girls specifically because they weren't all underage.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Some of them wanted overage girls. Some of them were just scientists. They weren't all compromised. But the ones that wanted underage girls, they specifically want what they couldn't have. Because if you wanted sex that you're allowed to have, you just wanted a young girl, you could just go pay for that.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
What Epstein was doing is he was recruiting girls that were from like American families and kind of tricking them and coercing them. Like they wanted a girl that they wanted the experience of coercing. Some of these people, not all of them, want the experience of I'm I am doing this to a girl that I am coercing.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I'm I am manipulating or I'm just straight up being physically violent to to get this thing. Because if you wanted a willing 16 year old, those do exist.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
He did way more than that. He signed his entire power of attorney to him. You're so cool. I'm going to give you a house. No, he gave him the keys to the entire castle of all of Victoria's Secret and Abercrombie & Fitch and all of L. Brands.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
If you want that, we can help you. Yeah. Yeah, things happen out in... Like, it's kind of crazy. Do you remember Andrew Breitbart got killed? I do remember that. And he got... He was exposing... A heart attack.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
He was exposing Acorn because... So how... Oh, man, I'm totally blanking on our boy these days that does all the... O'Keefe?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
You know that James O'Keefe got his start with Breitbart on that story exposing Acorn. And what they did is they sent James O'Keefe and this other female reporter into Acorn. And O'Keefe pretended to be a pimp. Well, they asked them for help setting up a underage sex trafficking ring. And the people at Acorn... I didn't know it was underage. Yeah, yeah.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
No. Dude, I'm going to read it. I just got it. I should buy it.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
They wanted help setting up an underage sex trafficking ring using children from Guatemala or from Central America, I think.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
say that in the meeting they yeah yeah it's on that's what was on tape what yeah it's a great it blew my mind when I read I was like what are we talking about right now because I didn't know that history because I hadn't I wasn't paying attention back then and that's that is the story is that he went in and asked for help setting up a under I don't think he was like I don't think he was probably using the words like five-year-olds ten-year-olds I assume that he was like implying like 16 year olds but I don't know but that's how did he phrase it
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I got it in a three-part series that has the Baron Trump one and then the last president and there's one other one.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
I don't know. I mean, I can't find those videos anymore. I've looked.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
I'm sure they're somewhere, and I'm sure that James O'Keefe could tell the story.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
I don't know. I have no idea. And it's a whole drama fest, and I try to stay. I mean, I usually try to stay out of the drama in the modern industry because it's like it'll just waste your time.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
But yeah, he went in and asked for help setting up this ring, and they allegedly said, yeah, here's how you do it. We'll help you, we'll help you, we'll help you. And that's what the case they brought against Acorn was. Right. Before Andrew Breitbart mysteriously died, and then the coroner that did his autopsy mysteriously died.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
It's like, that was such a weird one to stumble upon, because I didn't know I was about to stumble upon it. Ugh.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah, and people can look I mean everyone should look up anything that I say always people should always just look it up and just Start typing things in that I'm saying and see if what if you can figure out what you think because I am not an expert I'm just a dude that like is looking things up and I try to be really thorough But like wasn't Breitbart was it Breitbart or drudge that was the first victim of these coordinated anti-advertising campaigns
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
It might have been... It is interesting how you can watch out over history. The more history you learn, the more you get to see where certain strategies, kind of like deep state strategies, so to speak, or intelligence agency strategies get invented, and then they start using them.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
It's so crazy to have all of these tactics exposed in plain view now, and they still keep trying them. Did you see the thing that's going around today of the 22 different mainstream news sites all parroting the exact same thing? Yes, and well not just that all the congresspeople. Yeah, do you see that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2284 - Ian Carroll
They're all saying the exact same thing and it's yeah I guess it's congresspeople not yes anchors.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
They've got saying the exact same script Oh, it's more than 12 Alex Jones had had a full 22 on his show So they kept adding to it at first it was two of them early in the morning Script They're so dumb. But they use a different tone of voice. But they give their own spin on it because they're performers. It's wild.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Why is it so exciting? I think it's something like deep down in humanity. It's like we love storytelling. Yeah. And these days, conspiracy theories are like... I mean, 10 years ago, conspiracy theories were fringe and they were... Tell me about it. Right?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah. But then you get into the people that are like, the whole world's a stage. Trust the plan. Q's in control.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Which documentary? The one that had the really cool Q thing? Yeah, but I don't trust a documentary like that either, because HBO, that's the definition of mainstream media. So I try to stay somewhere in the middle of that.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I had him in and he explained it. I'm pretty sure that I did see the documentary.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Oh, yeah, perfect. Perfect fertile ground for that kind of controlled reverse opposition, whatever bullshit psyops. And that's where, for me, the bottom line is can I corroborate it with primary sources? And Q is the definition of no. Of course I can't. It's like, what is it, a time traveler that's coming back that's telling us how to save the world or something? I don't understand.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I mean, it's simultaneous to us kind of getting like some version of UAP disclosure that implies time travel. Yeah. Which is like, Lord knows what that is. Right. But it's just so fun to speculate because it's like. How would we know?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Just like with the vaccines. They always have to make it dangerous. It's dangerous to say that this might have side effects.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
$65,000 worth of hot dogs flown from Chicago for a White House party.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Did you ever see the archived Instagram posts from James Oliphantis' Instagram? No. Because that's a dark place. So there's so many layers to Pizzagate that they tried to cover up intentionally for very good reason. Well, how about the logos?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Well, the thing is I avoid, and the way I've talked about it, I've avoided all the symbols and logos and even some of the pizza stuff because I think there's so much more ripe, clear evidence that is way more powerful. And James Alfonso's Instagram account is a great example. Where can you find it online? So you cannot find it on Instagram anymore.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
It's only been archived onto other sites, which is kind of sketchy because it's like, how do I know you're not adding photos and stuff? So you kind of have to dig and dig and dig and cross reference over and over and over to make sure that you're getting sort of like the consensus because everyone watched as it happened.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
So people like Liz Croak and people like Alex Jones, like they saw these things come out and that you can find plenty of different archives of all of James Alphonse's Instagram posts. And there are things like photos of children with their arms taped to tables. And the caption is looks like a fun time.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And then people that have always been commenting on his posts, like the people that are interacting with his posts all the time, have even weirder Instagrams where it's like kill room. And there's a coffin that's open and things like that. There's like a photo of like a walk-in freezer. And it's like, man, looks like you've been having a fun weekend. Things like that that are just super dark.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And a bunch of babies and a bunch of symbolism, a bunch of children. And it's all photos on their Instagram in plain daylight. And they all got scrubbed, obviously. Jesus Christ. And that's not to mention Podesta's art collection and the Marina Abramovich connections. It goes on and on and on and on and on. Yeah.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And we're talking about the Clintons with the Haiti scandals, with the cocaine in Arkansas. It's like the thing is that we sound crazy. I sound crazy to someone that doesn't do their own research because you just start – there's so many layers of like –
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
crazy shit that's happened with some of these people yeah that if you don't know the history of a person like bill clinton and hillary clinton it's really easy to think oh that's just so insane that you would think that they would be involved in it and first of all they frame it in the articles about pizzagate they say hillary clinton was the mastermind of a global pedophile sex trafficking ring all headquartered in this pizza shop which is not what anyone ever claimed
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Classic frame job, which Nancy Pelosi explains very well, where you make a false claim and you say that's what they're saying and then you discredit the false claim. But if you really learn the history of the Clinton family, just as one example. Did you ever read The Strange Death of Vince Foster? No. But I know a little bit about the Foster situation and a couple of those weird deaths earlier on.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I was actually just reading about that specific murder in Whitney Webb's books like two nights ago because she goes over that too because it's a huge question mark.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And his family claimed that that wasn't the right gun. He had a black gun and his family was like, no, he owned a silver gun. All these weird things. They never found the bullet. Like all sorts of things that just don't add up. And that was right after Epstein had first walked into Bill Clinton's life. That was between White House visit number one and White House visit number two.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
While Epstein was funding the refurbishing of the entire West Wing of the White House.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I mean, I think you don't mean that literally. I think you mean that in a more metaphorical way.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
But you intentionally keep them separate. You're not hiring them. They don't work for you. Right. They're a private entity. It's like layers of obfuscation.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Well when you study where he came from and how he got plucked from the Dalton school and then got put into Bear Stearns and they got put through Bear Stearns and then got put into money management.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
It was teaching at the Dalton School, and then he was a banker at Bear Stearns, which he conveniently left when this big scandal broke that implicated him and the director, Goldstein, that had hired him and had been helping him up. And then he left and kind of took the fall and took the dirt with him.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And then he went into the arms running businesses, which is where he met Maxwell, Daddy Maxwell, not daughter Maxwell, and Adnan Khashoggi and – lease and all these other arms traffickers. And that's where he got into those. So it's like you walk slowly into these worlds. And as they're doing that, I'm imagining they're taking tabs on of like, what kind of guy is this and what's he into?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And he's working with arms traffickers. And some of those arms traffickers were famous for blackmail, like Adnan Khashoggi. He was famous for having his yacht filled up with cameras and given his arms deals everything they could ever want while he's selling weapons to them. And he's got his whole yacht wired up with cameras. Trump later bought that yacht, which is super interesting.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Do you know about that? So Trump, check this out. And I'm not claiming that Trump is in on everything. It's a very complex thing here. But Trump's history is pretty weird. He bought the Plaza Hotel, which is where the blue suite parties that blackmailed J. Edgar Hoover happened. Do you know about those?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Oh, dude. So J. Edgar Hoover, the founder of the FBI- This is where I thought I was starting this fucking job to talk about GameStop and to talk about like the financial markets and shit. And then I realized how important intelligence agencies and organized crime are to how the world works.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And I just got deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper into like, I don't want to miss out on some of Epstein stuff.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Well, we'll get there. This is all connected. I could talk about the Epstein stuff for fucking days and start all kinds of trouble for your podcast and shit. But, um, Well, I think that trouble is supposed to be coming out publicly. I don't think it's going to.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
That's how it feels. You haven't read Whitney Webb's books, have you? No. You really should.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
So the thing about her stuff online is that she comes off as way more unhinged. And she's very smart. She's very smart. And she's on it. But she's now very concerned, rightly so, about the sort of technocratic nature of what might be to come. But her research on Jeffrey Epstein is looking backwards at the history of organized crime, the history of Epstein.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And it paints a very like we know very well who he worked for and we know who he was associated with. She has primary sources with pages of sources cited about who put him where, who he interacted with, who said what about him, who claimed what about his life. And it's like it's two full books and it's very well sourced with primary sources cited all the way throughout.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And so it's like, we don't actually really need the Epstein files to know what was going on. They'll hopefully include a lot of new details.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
So take Leslie Wexner that we were talking about earlier. No, we already have the flight locks.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Oh, yeah. They're all there, and you can read them online. They're on archive.org, as well as other places. But Leslie Wexner is a great example here. Um, Leslie Wexner owns Victoria's Secret and L Brands, right? He's the bank that bankrolled Jeffrey Epstein.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And I was saying earlier that he signed the power of attorney over to Jeffrey Epstein so that Jeffrey Epstein was able to sell his assets, manage his assets, buy on his behalf. He could sell Victoria's Secret without Leslie Wexner in the room or even his knowledge if he wanted to, because that's the level of power of attorney that he signed over to Jeffrey Epstein when he was his money manager.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And the reason why you do that is so that you can claim that you don't know about his operation. He was just my money manager. I didn't know he was running this thing because I wasn't involved in any of those transactions. But what that meant is that Leslie Wexner damn well knew. We could go into the mega group and we could go into his connections to Charles Bronfman, all these other things.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
That's how they were recruiting, is they were recruiting from the Victoria's Secret modeling, and Jeffrey Epstein was claiming that he was a rep. But do you know about the CEO of Abercrombie & Fitch that went down for running a sex trafficking group? Yeah. So he was Leslie Wexner's guy. When Leslie Wexner, he bought Abercrombie & Fitch in like 1990, maybe 91, 89. Yeah.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And then one of the first things he did was he put that dude into position as CEO. That was Leslie Wexner's dude. And he becomes the CEO and he's gay and he likes really hot young male models. And he started running a male sex trafficking ring out of Abercrombie & Fitch. So Leslie Wexner, this... A dude who is a self-proclaimed possessed by a demon. What? Yeah, yeah.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Whitney has a whole chapter where she goes into this article that was done by a mainstream news source like 10, 20 years ago where they're interviewing Leslie Wexner and asking him about how he came to power and what's his secret. It's called his D-book, D-Y-B-U-K, and you can read about this on Wikipedia as well.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
He describes in his own words that he's possessed by a debuk, which is like a Yiddish word for an evil demon that drives him for more and more and more and more. It's in his own words. Is this, is he being hyperbolic?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
No, I mean, I wasn't in the room, but I assume based upon the wording and how it's put, I assume it's like- Let's find it.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
It's like a billionaire. I mean, it's in the text. It's directly quoted in the text in One Nation Under Blackmail, actually, which is in that backpack. One Nation Under Blackmail?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Highly recommend, but it's super dense. It's a hard read. I've read it three times now, and I still am taking notes and trying to look things up to understand it because she's just so researched. And it's things like this, where she's gone back to the original article where they were interviewing him, and he's just like a CEO. So they're just asking him, what's your secret to success?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And he's like, I'm possessed by, I have a drive for more. And he chose the word d-book, which is a Yiddish word.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And time in the game counts for a ton. It counts for so much. And that's my greatest weakness in a lot of ways, among several, is that I'm just really new to the game. And so I'm constantly catching up on shit. And as stuff breaks, like Pam Bondi, for example, I have no history on who Pam Bondi is because I wasn't paying attention when Pam Bondi was in Florida.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
So that's just to point out that, like, A... He's a fucking weird dude. He's a sketchy dude. He's running two sex trafficking rings out of his companies that he doesn't know anything about. And simultaneously, he founded, I mean, the Wexner Foundations and the Leslie Wexner Heritage Foundation. Those are also very... interesting and controversial.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
They're very tied to Israel because he is one of the foremost Israeli philanthropists, despite being an American. But he founded what was called the mega group, which is a essentially a I mean, it was not disclosed for a long time. It was secret. And it is a group of Jewish billionaires that get together on behalf of global Judaism, which is not uncommon.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And there's nothing wrong with that if they're not committing crimes. Um, but they would get together and meet and it's people like Leslie Wexner, Charles Bronfman. The list is we could look it up. Um, and that group, it is unclear if we have proof that they were conducting espionage, but there are, there are, uh,
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
All of them have ties to organized crime through various elements, like the Bronfman's were liquor were rum runners as one example that were then involved in the mob. Leslie Wexner is involved in these trafficking rings, et cetera. And that group seems to have been directly associated with Jeffrey Epstein.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And she's, again, she's one that she shows all the primary sources and like lays it all out. This is what we know. And this is where the source came from. And this is what it said. And these are possible explanations for it. Here's one or two or three explanations of what it might be. But we don't really know because this is as far as the evidence goes.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And so Leslie Wexner is just one where there's all this swirling evidence all around him that the in order for him to not be aware of what's going on and to not have been an active part of this is damn near unbelievable in my eyes, allegedly.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah. Yeah, which you know I've learned to do because I mean I started on tick-tock where you can't even say certain words or you'll get you'll get taken off a tick-tock, right?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah, but like the so the files getting released I am NOT expecting them to come out in any complete form because the the mainstream understandings that Jeffrey Epstein was the guy
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Jeffrey Epstein was just an employee of these organized crime rings that work on behalf of like the CIA and Israeli Mossad and British intelligence and the whole because organized crime is the black markets, the dark things, the sex, the drugs, the rock and roll, the child trafficking and intelligence agencies were designed to be legitimate governments. A point of access to organized crime.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And so I'm having to play catch up on what was going on. And the people that have been here for forever, like the Alex Joneses of this world, the Jacques Vallées, the people that watch things break live, you just get a different level of context. And then you get the David Ikes that are like, It's fucking reptiles, dude. They're all reptiles.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I mean, theoretically, intelligence agencies were supposed to be Truman wanted the intelligence agencies to be a newspaper about what's going on in the world for the president to know. Right. But Alan Dulles was not about that. Alan Dulles, founder of the CIA, was like, I want to do covert operations. And very immediately, covert operations were like overthrowing the government of Guatemala, Iran.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
buying the elections in Italy. They bought the elections in Italy by just passing giant bags of cash to the mafia so they would just go buy the election right after World War II because they needed to not let Italy fall to the communists. It's where the Vatican is. So the CIA, though Truman okayed it, hoping that it would be a newspaper, the CIA has been covert operations from the start.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And covert operations is... All about public-private partnerships so that you can't have it traced back to you, right? Because if you get caught doing MKUltra shit, the government's fucked, right? Right.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And so what they want to do is they want to outsource MKUltra shit or child trafficking shit or drug running shit to that shell company that's hiring that guy that works at that organized crime, right?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
bingo and that is all and so that's what the deep state is the deep state is the conglomerate of organized crime and intelligence agencies that work in the shadows as well as the halls of power but they're not supposed to exist and we're not supposed to know about them but they've always existed because the before we even founded the CIA during World War II there is this bombing of the ship in a port on the eastern seaboard the USS Liberty is confusing my memory right now nothing
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
It was called Operation Underworld. There's a Wikipedia page about Operation Underworld, and there's a whole bunch more about it as the ship blows up in harbor. And they were building this big new ship. What year was this? It would have been in the early 40s, I believe. It was during World War II, inside of World War II. And the ship was blown up. And it's not clear if it was German U-boats.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
There are reports that later Meyer Lansky and the mob took credit for it, like low-key, but we don't really know for sure who blew it up. But when it blew up, the U.S. government got really worried that They had no way to secure the ports along the eastern seaboard because all the ports were run by the mob because the mob ran all the unions, right?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And so they, rather than trying to wrestle the ports, control the ports back from the mob, they just went to the mob and said, we'll partner with you. If you guys lock down the ports, we'll let you kind of do your thing. And that's kind of what Operation Underworld was all about. And so what they did during World War II is they literally gave control over the entire eastern seaboard.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I mean, I'm being facetious, but they gave control over all the ports on the eastern seaboard to the goddamn drug smugglers, like to the mob, which their favorite thing is to smuggle things. Drugs, weapons, guns, duh, whatever. I don't know. And so before the CIA was even founded, the OSS, the intelligence agency during the wartime, was already partnering with organized crime.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
David, have you seen David coming after me on Twitter recently? He came after me, too.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And the people that founded those intelligence agencies, like Alan Dulles and John Foster Dulles, they were corporate lawyers. And that's – can I just keep going on this? Because this is like – This is the thing that blew my mind, right? Is I was trying to research GameStop and shit.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And then I started to realize that there's this whole monstrosity that is an official part of our government, these intelligence agencies, that when you really learn their history and read about their official history, let alone their history that sort of is still secret. It is very clear that they've been off the rails right from the start.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And that's true inside of every like whether you're reading Legacy of Ashes and The Devil's Chessboard, very well researched official books about this shit, or if you're doing Internet research. And the reason why you'd start an intelligence agency using a corporate lawyer instead of like.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
a doctor or a military guy or something is because a corporate lawyer is already familiar with all of the big CEOs of all the big corporations, right? Alan Dulles worked at Sullivan and Cromwell as a lawyer. And so he was very familiar with IG Farben, producing Zyklon B for the Nazis. He was familiar with Standard Oil.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
He was familiar with shipping companies and fruit companies and all these companies all around the world. And he's got good connections with them all. And so you suddenly, you hire one guy, Alan Dulles, and you have just hired an entire network of multinational corporations, theoretically to work on behalf of the US.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
But when you read the histories and you read what Alan Dulles was saying behind closed doors and everything, what he was doing is he was hiring the US government in order to fund a corporate
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
slush fund for corporations to utilize this power this newly government bestowed power to essentially wage violence that is sanctioned because you see what I'm saying because all those corporations the perfect example is Guatemala United Fruit Company had bought up all this land in Guatemala and was growing bananas like crazy and A lot of the land was just sitting vacant.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And Jacobo Arbenz comes into power, and he's like, this is bullshit. There's this American corporation that's owning all of our land, that's making all of us poor, and they're not even using a bunch of this land. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to buy back the land. He didn't take it.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
He bought it back from the United Fruit Company, and he was going to distribute it for free to all the farmers that were destitute, which is like... Socialist kind of, but it's also pretty badass to use like your government money to buy all your farmers land from this multinational corporation. But that pissed United Fruit off. And this is right as the CIA was getting founded.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And United Fruit was a client of Sullivan and Cromwell. And Alan Dulles was a lawyer there, right? So United Fruit goes to Alan Dulles. His brother, John Foster Dulles, was the secretary of state. Yeah, secretary of state. So these two brothers that are both lawyers for Sullivan and Cromwell are the director.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Well, technically, Alan Dulles was not yet the director of CIA, but he was like the founder. He just had a beef with Truman and with the first couple of leaderships of the president there. And so United Fruit goes to them and is like, hey, can we overthrow this piece of shit? Because he's fucking with our business, right? So this is like how corporations wanted this government sanctioned power.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
You get too certain of yourself, right? You think you have the answers and you just keep going. A little bit of a grift with some of these folks.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And they, through those two brothers, lobbied the United States, propagandized the United States. They hired propaganda artists to propagandize them. And they painted him as a communist right at our doorstep.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And then the CIA went in and through a series of kind of somewhat botched attempts called PB Success and PB, or rather Operation Success and Operation PB Success, they overthrew the government of Guatemala and they ousted him. They bombed Guatemala City and they got rid of him and they put in their own dictator that started like, you know, 30 years of
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
absolute devastation and like military rule and just death, like really dark shit that basically tore Guatemala apart on behalf of United Fruit.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
They did the same thing in Iran, like three years later with Kermit Roosevelt, where it became this thing where these multinational corporations that are affiliated with this intelligence agency, just kind of through friendships and through partnerships and through the network.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
They started to utilize Alan Dulles and the CIA in general on their behalf to do things for the corporate interest because they are the power players in this world. They always have been the power players in this world. And they had been itching for quite some time to get that government-sanctioned ability to wage violence against anyone around the world.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And we've been doing that ever since, using the intelligence agencies on behalf of the corporate blob, which is not always distinguishable from organized crime. And just going off and whacking people and overthrowing governments and starting coups right to this day, to Ukraine 2014.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Well, it's an easy temptation to fall into, especially with the Internet. Like every single day, people in my position, I mean, people in your position, too. Like we have the ability to just like I'm going to get views and money if I drop deep down this grift. But a lot of them are not like a lot of them. When you look into them, you realize, oh, there's like literally nothing there.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
That's the whole point is you want to set it up in a series of shells. And the darker it is, the more you have to kind of separate it so that when Jeffrey Epstein goes down, no one knows who he worked for. He worked for intelligence. And I was told to leave him alone. And so you're left to speculate who he worked for.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah. And it's all it's like it's not like it's literally a cabal of shadowy dudes around one table. It is just an alignment of many different interests, different families, different corporations, different bankers or organized crime groups all sort of playing games for power. And these guys have that much power and those guys have that much power and interests tend to align like.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
The general vibe in the corporations will probably align with the vibe of the bankers. And their vibe will probably align a fair bit with some of this organized crime stuff. And we'll fund this terrorist organization, Mujahideen, until it's not convenient anymore. And then we'll actually use them as a patsy to go to war because there's terrorists over there. God damn it.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And they've gotten quite good at kind of weaving those narratives through their operations that they've either covered up or exposed what they wanted to in various ways to kind of steer our narrative around what we know. But when you actually read the history, it's like, holy shit. It's crazy how much- Did you ever read Smedley Butler's War as a Racket?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Do you know about the business plot, about what they tried to do with him? No.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah, there was almost a Nazi coup in the 30s where we almost got taken over by our own military and became Nazis because Prescott Bush and a bunch of his other buddies were on Team Nazi. And it's because they were all funding the Nazis, and they wanted us on that team. And they tried to recruit Smedley Butler to be the lead of this. And take over the country.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I suspect, I'm always kind of forming my understanding research by research, but I suspect that it was World War I where they realized how much power you can have if you're funding both sides of a war.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
He was one of the most decorated Marines, or was he in the Army of all time? General? Un-fucking-believable. Yeah, War is a Racket is a relatively short book that anyone can buy online, and I highly recommend it to everyone. That paired with... But that's so wild that that was 33.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I think when Elon bought Twitter. And it's still not making it into the mainstream, mainstream zeitgeist. But there's, I mean, and you've played a big part in this too, this whole decentralized media space. As technology naturally walks forward,
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I think that we're living in this world where this all these rich people, all these evil controlling sickos of varying degrees, they come from a world where they could control everything. They could control the newspapers. They could buy out the press. They could pay for journalists. Yeah. And that strategy walked itself into technology. And suddenly technology is just naturally walking forwards.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And this just changes the game like you can't. use those old strategies when you have a phone and internet and social media. And we're watching the cognitive sort of breakdown of their old ways that they don't know how to adapt. And it's just scheme after scheme after scheme is crumbling. And the secret is just free speech. That's all you need is free speech and communication on the internet.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
You need a guy like Elon that has... I was glad that Elon said the stuff about assassination on the podcast the other day because that needs to be said is that they are taking great risk. Even Pam and Cash, all of them, are taking great risk to do this.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And it would not be the first time that someone's spouse had been whacked or someone's kids had been threatened or like they'd, you know, created a scandal. Like, do you know about the scandal of the Chappaquiddick Bridge with... Chappaquiddick. Chappaquiddick. With Ted Kennedy it was, right?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
That is such a great illustration of how like it might not even be you that they go after. It might be just... There's all sorts of ways that if you do the wrong thing, allegedly they might... Come after people around you. Yeah. And so people like Cash and Pam and RFK are taking on a lot of risk. And that's also why I think that the like my following is real conspiratorial.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Usually like I'm moderate compared to most of my people. And there's a lot of suspicion of these guys right now of like they must already be controlled if they can even get in there. It's like I don't know.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah, until Trump came in, that was the only election interference that I was willing to talk about because it was very provable, very obvious.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yep. And more and more we're seeing that they are literally importing voters and paying them with government money to huge amounts of money when we have homeless veterans on the street. FEMA funds. Over 300,000 children are missing that have crossed our border that we have delivered to unknown sponsors.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Dude, you were a conspiracy theorist when I was not even here yet.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
The whole thing was... They literally locked up the... You know the guys that built the border wall? Steve Bannon and... It was Steve Bannon and Dustin Stockton and I think one or two other people when they wouldn't build it. These guys just went out and raised millions of dollars on their own and they literally just started building border wall. Do you know about that?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And then I now do a podcast every couple weeks with Dustin Stockton, who's a whole trip of a guy. And he started telling me the story of like, what are you saying? I had no idea that they had literally just started building it from a private citizen standpoint. Until they arrested them.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yep. I mean, they were just trying to get everything out as fast as they could. They were deleting files and just giving out aid money and announcing more and more foreign war aid to Ukraine and Israel and everything.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
It's crazy, dude. Yeah. Yeah. And I am really excited for everything that's going to come out. But I'm also... Before we go any further... I'm reading into the kids.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Oh, the children are actually missing BBC. Go fuck yourself.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
because i work with this guy named ryan mata who spent three years of his life going to the border with his own dollars and filming documentaries about this and interviewing the people that like rescue traffic children and actually interviewing whistleblowers from within the biden regime's trafficking scheme like this the people that were dropping kids off with sponsors one sean
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Harris Faulkner. I mean, I suspect that every news, every single like there's every incentive for Trump to find them and to do something about it. But I think the vast majority of them are dead, unfortunately. So that's a Facebook link.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And this is the thing is that there are certain topics that are so disinformationalized and so sensationalized that when you start to research into them, you realize you're inside of this media madness that it's so hard to find the truth. And COVID was one of those. And J6 was one of those. The elections was one of those. And when you find that, it becomes, for me, it sets a bell off.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
A, I'm in something I should learn about. But B, I have to be very careful. And I don't know – and you never know what you can trust in those spaces. And so that's where I change my switches for what to believe. And I kind of open up the bandwidth in terms of take it all in but be very skeptical because that's where you get wild conspiracy theories that are unproven and trust me.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And then you also get all kinds of propaganda trying to obfuscate the narrative.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And there's whole conspiracy theories that I think are like that. And Q might be one of them. I don't know. I think Flat Earth is one of them.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Like, think about how, like, right. So 10 years ago, Alex Jones was saying that the whole government's controlled by pedophiles. And he was a psychopath. Or I guess more than 10 years ago now. And then Jeffrey Epstein got caught.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Siberia. I mean, they're all over Mexico. They're all over, like... Oh, Jesus. Yeah, imagine what is in Mexico. The government of Mexico has been partnered with the cartels for at least two administrations, is what it looks like. Jesus. And the cartels are just, like, running that whole game, that whole sort of northwestern, like, quarter of Mexico. I can only imagine what we'll find down there.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
The cartels are highly militarized. Sure. And they're extremely advanced. But sure they're not gonna come with us.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And the problem is that it was not just illegal fentanyl and illegal heroin. The problem is that the Sackler family and the pharmaceutical industry was in on it. And so doctors were prescribing it to normal people. And it was just devastating our whole population all at once. It's so tragic.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And so the administration now in Mexico, Claudia Sheinbaum, she is like the protege of AMLO, who was the leader of that same party from before. And I think he served two terms. So it's been something like the last six to eight years or something. Their official cartel policy is hugs, not bullets.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And what they basically describe is we're causing more death by going after the cartel, and we'll just agree to not touch them. We'll just agree to leave them alone. And I'm kind of exaggerating again, but hugs, not bullets is their official slogan for their policy about the cartels. So it makes sense for us to fucking do something. It's like, we'll do the bullets. You can keep your hugs.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I mean, I was worried. I kind of came out a little hot and I posted on Twitter that was like, no fucking drone strikes inside of the US. No, sir. No, you're not. Because the way that the sort of announcement was worded of like, we're declaring cartel members, terrorist organizations, and we will be tart and drone strikes are like totally a okay on that is what someone was saying about it.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And I was like, Erica. And I was like, where's the line on allowing the targeting of cartel? Because once you start targeting terrorists, that's why 9-11 was so subversive, is it turned everyone into a possible enemy of the state that can be shipped off to Guantanamo because terrorism is just this elusive concept. And anyone can just become a terrorist if we just call them a terrorist.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Send them to Guantanamo Bay for a decade for something they didn't do. Right. And you brought up the Hunter Biden laptop and those 51 intelligence agents. I wanted to look into it. So I looked at the letter itself and I actually read the letter. And on the letter at the bottom, they all signed it.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And if you just start Googling the people that signed it, the very first two names were ex-directors of the CIA that lied to us about Guantanamo Bay and lied to us about surveilling American citizens and lied on the stand. And so they're professional liars that are from the intel agencies that are saying, oh, no, no, no. Like Hunter Biden is all good above board.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
It's like, why would we ever trust that? But that's how powerful spin is when every media article parrots that, no, it wasn't made in a lab. There's no evidence it was made in a lab. That couldn't be true. Yeah. Everyone just believes it because we want to believe that that's how the world is.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I was a leftist that didn't think about shit before COVID. Me too. No, you thought about shit.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And to be fair, I think we're kind of both still sort of leftist. What left should be socially progressive. We need because politics is supposed to be a balance. We need regulation of corporations. That's a leftist ideology. Yes. But we need individual liberty and we're supposed to have a balance. of the two.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And I think my theory is that it used to be easier to control the right because it was a big money party and you could go to war with them and you could lead us around by the right. But as technology came in, they realized it was way easier to spin narratives to the collectivists.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And if you can get all the collectivists, the leftists, to go along with the narrative, that's way more effective than these individual liberty people with the guns.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
The most ignorant people ready to be programmed coming in. I mean, that's always how communist revolutions have been programmed.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And in a world with no meaning where, like, life is meaningless for 99% of the population.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah. You're on a team. And I understand it because I come from that. I come from one of the most liberal cities in this fucking country.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And but then I'm like, COVID's happening. And I was taking it really seriously. Like my last Facebook post was like, all young people, we should lock down and take this really fucking seriously. And then my all my roommates were like, hey, let's go down to Seattle and do the BLM protests. I'm like, whoa, like you're a mass Nazi.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
you're like on me about my masking and you're trying to go burn down Seattle in a group of like a hundred thousand people. What? And so they all went down to Seattle and I'm back at home. And I mean, I still love them to death. Like if they watch this, like no shade to them. Like, but I'm at home watching the live streams of the BLM protest. And I'm like, where'd that pallet of bricks come from?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Right. And that got me thinking. Where'd that pallet of bricks come from?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Especially downtown where there's meth heads everywhere.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Why you got a basket of fucking bricks? No. And so then the thing is, I start asking a question. I ask one question in that leftist environment, and it's just like... Don't ask questions. Like, I'm fucking out of here.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And questions are met with, like, obey the herd. And they demonize you. And they don't ever attack the argument. They don't ever engage with the argument. No. And that's what I love about the job that I've fallen into as a sort of like researcher is that I have no problem with being wrong.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
My favorite moments in my career so far have been when someone's proved me wrong and I've been like, oh, shit. Thanks, bro. I didn't know that. I'm going to research that and look it up because there I mean, some people can get trapped in their ego and need to stay on some hill and die there. Right. But like that's retarded. You don't need to do that.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I mean, maybe there's some of the mystery element. But the thing is that so many of them are, it's a knowledge. It's a thirst for knowledge because some of them are total bullshit. But some of them are clearly there's something there. Clearly. Right? Yeah.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
It's a progress for intelligence, for like learning. That's what the Academy of Ideas was built on. Right. Right. And so having this culture of censorship and of herd mentality, especially in the universities, is the most toxic thing to our national future you could ever incorporate.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And it's ironically in 1984 that he's saying this. Well, I mean, these tactics are old. And I more and more started to look at like we change from kinetic warfare at the atom bomb.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
to like psyop and subversive and information warfare and we were still doing kinetic warfare but there's all these little proxy wars that were based on propaganda and like in order to spin narratives in order to get support and more and more as technology has evolved one of my kind of sticks is that this the warfare is information warfare now because what they need to do is they need to convince everyone that covet is real and that you need to lock down and you need to wear your mask and you take the vaccine so we can profit and all of that is information
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
The one that I just recently kind of was reminded of is, you know, the story that Disney sent kids to Epstein Island? Yeah, I did hear that. Oh, such a money conspiracy theory. It's not true. It's when you look it up, you realize that... I mean, a lot of the information is kind of gone. It's hard to even tell if it's legitimate websites and information, which is already a red flag.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And that changes it from soldiers fighting soldiers to government agencies or rather NGOs and all these conglomerates of like of money, like groups essentially targeting all of us. And we become the targets of that warfare. And so it's on us to get educated.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
You've never seen this? I know what you're talking about, but I don't think I've seen it.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Because the Taliban shut down the opium production. The Taliban outlawed opium production and burned all the fields and got rid of it all.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Oh, my God. Play this. We're going to head to Afghanistan.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
He was given very strict orders that morning. They can give different crops. Grow tomatoes, guys. Yeah, right. Hey, you can grow apples. My favorite statistic about that era is that... I'm going to get the number wrong, but it... So opium is only grown in so many places, right? And it used to be in the Vietnam region, in Southeast Asia, the Golden Triangle.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
But the ones that are still up, they just sent them into like the ocean, like they were going on cruises that happened to be in the vicinity of the island. That's totally different.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Then it changed to the Golden Crescent, which is Afghanistan. And when that era happened, it was something like 70%, 80% of the world's opium supply was coming from Afghanistan. And if you just do a little math and think it through, you realize that we have this gigantic opioid market of legal opioids, of the Sackler family and all these pharma companies.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And you realize that it's physically impossible for them not to be in on this scheme because where are they growing their opium? They're not growing it here. They're not growing it in Africa. So by definition, when you just think through what's going on here, you realize that some of those opium fields are illegal heroin and some of those opium fields are big pharma.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yep. I mean, they've always got to control. So opium has been one of the most important crops to control ever since the British Empire and like the days of tall ships. You know about the opium wars with China?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
That was a funny history to learn about. Yeah, crazy. Yeah, because that's the thing is that I've been basically learning everything from scratch as I've gone because I didn't know shit. How many years have you been in this? Two, less than two.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And so it becomes this, and that's kind of, I think that's the fun part of the game. We thought about buying the island. Dude.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
It's just a scientific process of having the right degree of, like, understanding of just, like, the right amount of, like, need to see primary sources and real evidence and the ability to look and test a hypothesis and see what comes out and not being attached to one conclusion beyond what the evidence actually suggests.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
But I had the benefit of being a normie when I started. And so I walked my way in piece by piece.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Like I started with all the BlackRock conspiracy theories. I started with who owns... The media, who owns the tampon aisle, who owns all these things. And I would go into the grocery stores and do the videos in the grocery stores where I would like go to the cereal aisle and be like, who owns all these cereals? And it turns out the entire cereal aisle is three companies.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And I mean, the tampon aisle is even better because they're all getting sued for having reprotoxic chemicals in the tampons, meaning they'll kill your reproductive system. Not only that, toxic shock syndrome.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And so that sort of, I like walked myself slowly into learning and I walked my audience along with me. And I also developed this understanding of, I mean, I used to be a teacher. And so I have this, a certain understanding of like, how do you communicate in a way that's speaking from their perspective instead of from my perspective?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Which right now I'm just talking to you instead of talking to them because it's more fun. But when I actually make my videos, I do my best to try to put myself in like,
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
in the shoes of who I'm trying to access and what do they know and what do I need to communicate and show evidence of for them to understand that you can look into this and check my sources and you can think about this, you have permission to think about this.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And there's still always more to learn and always more to connect. And we get new information that puts new light on old situations. It's this constant rearranging game of understanding. And I just love that. I mean, yeah, most people don't have time for all of it. But as we're sort of stratifying into this ecosystem of content of like creators and journalists and thinkers.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
That we're all kind of collectively doing the work together. And some of us are more integral than others. Some of us are just click baiters. And some of us are like, I'm somewhere in the middle. And then you get some people that are really professional about it, like problematically professional about it. Like they can only get so much done.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
No, not much actually, not hardly at all. But I know it's one that's like one of those seminal moments.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
What would that false flag have taken us to? Like, what did it achieve?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah, I mean, 9-11 is the perfect example of that kind of false flag of this thing that's crazy, that has all these questions that get covered up, and then we just go to war in the Middle East with a country that— Then we have the Patriot Act and the Patriot Act II.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Who do you think did 9-11? Or like what conglomerate of groups were do you think were involved what?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I think the Tower 7 had information in it about both. I think it probably had information in it about the planning of the attack and or what was going on with the attack. But I also think it had information about other things that needed to go away. Maybe it's old CIA operations. Maybe it's banking information.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I don't know where the press conference was. I mean, I think it was in a room, but I'm not sure.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Even from planes hitting buildings, no building has ever collapsed like that. Other planes have hit buildings. Bombs have gone off in buildings. All sorts of stuff has happened to buildings, and they don't fall down like the main towers did, let alone Building 7.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah, except that he took out special insurance against plane crashes and against terrorism right before it happened.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Talking about Biggie, Diddy is on the menu. But it's important to mention as we're getting into all these like government conspiracy theories and like CIA did it, Israel did it, Saudi did it. No one's saying ever, unless you're dumb, that the whole government of any of these countries did it. Like when you say like people, it's like in the anti-Israel crowd, people get smeared a lot for like...
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
as though you're claiming that all of Israel did 9-11 or all of Israel did this thing. Or when you're talking about the CIA, it's more obvious when you're talking about the CIA. We're not saying that the whole CIA did something.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
We're saying that these groups, these covert intelligence agencies, they are fertile ground for walled off areas of need to know information behind levels of security clearances where plots can be hatched. And they always have been. That's the whole fucking point of an intelligence agency is to hatch plots. It's unreal that they would hatch such an evil and fucked up plot.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
But it happened, and you only need to do it. I mean, 9-11 happened when I was in grade school, and I remember where I was and all that shit. And that was the seed that just sort of sat under the ground until BLM that eventually sprouted for me. I always knew there was something weird, and I saw Zeitgeist when I was way younger. So I knew that there's weird shit in this world.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
in there no one knows where it is yep they're gonna raise that building i assume he's dead but there was so much like so much shit around it that like i don't feel 100 sure i feel like 95 sure that he's dead 98 sure that he's dead right i wouldn't go 100 either yeah right you know what i'm saying it's like there's very few things i feel 100 autopsy you'd have to do an autopsy on jfk2 and it was not his body
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
But I was a leftist that just wanted to go snowboarding and stuff. So I didn't really think about it until it walked into my city and told me to stay inside and get a jab and all sorts of shit. So they really fucked up with that one.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah. Do you know Mickey Willis at all? No. Do you know the Plandemic films at all? No. Oh, dude, you should really check them out. Yeah. He's around this area and I had not seen them before. Plandemic one was this doctor named Judy Mike of it's that blew the whistle really early on. And that is one of the things that got all this like the fact that you haven't heard of it and seen it.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I was a part of it. You were a part of that censorship.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
She got that same kind of treatment of like smear campaigns left and right and just hatred.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And that was a big thing that red pilled a lot of regular people like, like myself included. And, and a good example of like my take on that is I didn't know about ivermectin beforehand. So I didn't even just like be like, Oh, Joe Rogan said, I was like, fuck it. I'll look it up. They said that it was an award winning medication. I'll find the goddamn award that they got for it.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
So I looked it up and you found, and I found it. It's like, okay, cool.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Well, because ivermectin is a great threat to their profit. They can't make money off of it. And it works very, very well if you get it early enough.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I have a theory about that. And it's that they can't get an emergency use authorization if there is a drug that can be considered a cure, like a preventative.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
A treatment, right? Just a treatment. And I mean, you've said this many times, right? Is they needed to act all treatments because the one that they went with was administered IV post, like in the hospital. And it was very, very expensive. Right. Remdesivir is a whole super fucking dark rabbit hole.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Oh, yeah. And they knew that full well. They had already tested it out in Africa. And RFK's book, The Real Anthony Fauci, opened my eyes in a big way.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And it had been long enough since he was not a kook. Because he started doing the vaccine stuff for these moms that were coming to him with vaccine-injured kids. And he was not trying to do vaccine stuff, but he saw these kids and was like, I need to fight for these people.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
That's the story, right? There are certain narratives that are golden cows that you cannot touch. And the vaccine industry has always been one of them.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Measles included, speaking of the current thing that's a controversy.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Jesus Christ is why I it was such a red pill for me because I was like literally an ultra marathon runner that was going to the gym like three like three hours a day. Like I don't I need natural immunity. I already have natural immunity. Go fuck yourself. What are you doing? And the reason why I was talking about Mickey Wilson plandemic is because the second plandemic is called indoctrination.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And it's basically a magnum opus about how the vaccine industry, this golden cow, is not just like it's not just one thing or this thing or one thing. It's a organized group of profit takers that has been growing for decades. And Bill Gates and he lays out how Bill Gates got into it and is on camera saying how many profits he's made off of vaccines and
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
and how great of a business model vaccines are. And vaccines as a concept, great concept, but it is so lucrative if manipulated and corrupted that really evil people started to do really evil things with it.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Well, they got that orchestrated partway through that sequence because they were starting to get sued like fucking crazy. Right. Because there was all kinds of injuries.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And it's not just it's not just that you can't give them immunity. It's that you cannot just punish with fines. You have to punish with prison time, because if you don't punish with prison time, it will never change. That's true of the drug industry.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
That's true of our corrupt government officials that are like, for example, the person that was withholding these Epstein documents from Pam Bondi and she fired him. No, put him on a stand and at least give him a trial to make sure he didn't commit treason or something else. Right. And maybe he's fine and you let him go and he's just fired.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
But like if you are if you're not going to send the Epstein clients to prison, if you're just going to like find a couple of people like 2008 banking collapse, we'll find one like we'll find all the bankers a little bit and we'll just put one little pawn of a banker in jail. That's why we have this crazy fucking... 2008 was horrible, but it was by no means the last market crash that we're having.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Because no one ever went to jail. They just switched their tactics around and get ready for the next profit-taking event.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
The thing about white-collar crime is it's real profitable and there's no consequences.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And usually they're in bed with these intelligence agencies and organized crime aspects in some small ways or sometimes really big ways. Like in the case of the opium fields where they're clearly getting their opium from these poppy fields. And clearly they are interfacing with the illegal drug trades at least on some level.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Not necessarily saying they're collaborating, but they're certainly like getting it from the same suppliers. It's just, it's really dark.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Especially considering, so that was George W. Bush, right?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
But George H.W. Bush, this is one that's not totally declassified yet, but I've been digging deep into it. I got a whole bunch of documents on it and it's kind of declassified, is that during Vietnam era, We were managing all the opium production and the heroin production in Laos and in the surrounding area.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And realistically, if you had like the journalists of integrity from 1960s era alive today and they hadn't been bought out and shot in the head and whatever else happened.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And it was being sold to American service members to make money for the CIA for black operations. And that was George H.W. Bush. That was his time. That's why his nickname is Poppy. It's not because he's like the dad. It's because he was brought into that organization with Richard Helms.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Oh, that's why his nickname is Poppy. And that is still not mainstream CIA like disclosure news. There's a whole fucking rabbit hole about it. Like it is kind of disclosed that we were involved in that drug trade somewhat. But it's not disclosed that that's why all the Vietnam veterans came home addicted to heroin.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Because the CIA was selling heroin to them and to a lot of other parts of the world in order to raise funds for their black budget operations. Because the CIA has always had trouble funding all their operations.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
It's all tied in. So Bill Colby, who put that all together, he was in the heroin operations in Vietnam, and he was a little lower down and not running it. And then as he grew up and came to power in the CIA, and those other guys that were more competent—Richard Helms being the primary one, Richard Helms and H.W. Bush—
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
They were not involved when he went off on his own and tried to set up the cocaine smuggling. And that's why he bungled it so fucking bad, because he was a psychopath that didn't have the skill sets required in order to run something that complex.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And it eventually, when Barry Seale got popped, he was the guy that was flying the, like, it used to be I'll drive a truck with a brick of cocaine across the border. And then Barry Seale was this military CIA pilot that said, like, I'll just fill my whole fucking plane with cocaine and get like a thousand runs in one.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And he was just flying whole planes over to Mena, Arkansas, where Bill Clinton was the governor.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And they have to let Barry Seals out, which did happen. Oh, yeah. And when Barry Seal finally got popped, all the rats started to run and try to look out for their own. And eventually that led to Oliver North taking the stand and totally bungling his fucking job on the stand. He was supposed to be like, bro, you're supposed to be the fall guy. And now we just have this huge fucking problem.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Very well documented that originally, you're a fringe reporter, Gary Webb. You're making it all up. You're a disgrace. Gary Webb's writing Dark Alliance. You can look up his Wikipedia page. And Gary Webb exposed how Freeway Ricky Ross was the outlet for all this cocaine. And holy shit, Freeway Ricky Ross is a crazy story.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Dude! What a full circle. He goes from wanting to be a tennis pro to being the number one kingpin of cocaine, business mastermind. Doesn't know how to read.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Mm-hmm. No, I think that they needed to cover it all up because shit was starting to come out. Because Gary Webb was starting to fucking... I mean, maybe Gary Webb was after that. But then Gary Webb committed suicide by shooting himself in the head two times. It's like, okay, guys. Crazy movie about that, too.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
it down. You and him are the two guys I point to, and him a little more than you now, of when I'm like, where's the sane left still at? It's kind of like you guys. And like Eric Weinstein is a good example, Eric and Brett Weinstein. There's a couple.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
It's wild to watch the mainstream journalists like the MSNBC folk have to leave. Like Joy Reid just left, for example. And like when Don Lemon left.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
But they try to make it in the new media world. And they're just like, you have no value here because you were never good at this job. You were just good at reading propaganda to us. You look good and you got put on camera. Whereas Tucker Carlson gets kicked out and he fucking slays it. And he just grows bigger and bigger and bigger because he's not bought and he's not scared.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And he actually is good at communicating and interviewing and getting to the truth. And it's so cool to watch this seismic shifting in the industry. Yeah.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Garbage all over the place. And then you could also see his face get blown off, and they published photos of him from the official autopsy where his face was visible. I have a theory, and this is just mine.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Let's talk about that a little more. He's got some things to share with our friends. Jamie's got his own conspiracy. Heard that.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And the thing about the Internet that I love that gets me called a controlled opposition all the time is that I love that all of their tactics work backwards, too. I can use those tactics, too. I can make propaganda because what propaganda is is just convincing messaging.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And if you have convincing messaging in the hands of an evil fucking megalomaniacal dictator, government, CIA, whatever it is, that's really bad. But if you have propaganda tools in the hands of regular citizens that have morals and values that want the best for the world correctly applied, you can fight back against them.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And so there's this element where I'm like, I'm looking at how do you open people's minds? Like, how do you strategize to like get your, because it's a balance, right? Because when I'm reporting on something, it's important to tell the truth. It's important to be accurate. And accuracy, if you really dig enough and get enough accuracy, that reduces entertainment value.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
But if you find the way to balance entertainment value with accuracy the right way, which is always a moving target, right? You can change the world. Like I'm a regular dude. Two years ago, I was an Uber Eats driver, an ultra marathon running guide. I was like a no one in the middle of nowhere. And then I'm like, all right, I'll just contribute.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And I'll start trying to tell these stories, trying to learn and communicate what's going on.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I think that a lot of people try to get into podcasting and this internet field these days because it's what you're supposed to do. It's a business. But they don't realize that that's going to be your job every day for the rest of your life. You better fucking love it.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
because they can't do it because they're not interested. Yup. And it's a lot of work and a lot of hassle and there's no guarantee of success. Right. It's like a very saturated industry.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Do you want to go the angle of like what are the crafts or do you want to go the bigger angle of like what is the phenomenon?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
okay let's start with what is the phenomenon I think that right now science and religion and UAP exposure are all converging on similar truths and what I mean by that is that science so you know the science of consciousness how we don't really know where the fuck consciousness comes from right but there's a lot of people that start to suggest that it sounds like we're antenna that are receiving consciousness from some sort of consciousness field or some sort of other like if you're any Thomas Campbell
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
It goes and goes, dude. Because you're talking metaphysics, you're talking physics, you're talking history and disclosure about history. And I suspect that whatever consciousness is coming from is this multiverse, this consciousness field, this ether, this multidimensional thing, whatever. I suspect that's very similar to what UAPs are traversing in and out of and through.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And I suspect that's very similar to what we identify as either the gods, plural, the aliens, plural, that have these abilities we don't have. As well as God, God singular, which is probably the highest up above all of those things.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I suspect there's a version of all these things that are starting to converge on one truth, because when you learn about remote viewing, that's what really cracked it for me was learning how much money the CIA has invested in remote viewing over the years. The CIA is not spending millions and millions of dollars on some crackpot bullshit that's not going to work.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
They would for a little while, but they've been doing it and doing it and doing it. And now we've got disclosure from people that are coming out whistleblowing that they are doing it today and I'm in the program and this is how we did it. Have you listened to the telepathy tapes? I've listened to a few, a little bit of them. I've not listened all the way through.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And I suspect that all of that is... And there's a weaponization of it. I mean, it's not just public study of it. There's definitely been private study of it by the intelligence agencies and probably the weapons developers for a long time. I mean, I was very surprised to hear Elon's answer to your alien question the other day, which I understand that he probably couldn't talk about it anyway.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
It's like, nice try. I had to try. But, like, there's no way.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah. I don't. I mean... You got to respect a man's like private, like he's got NDAs up the wazoo for that kind of shit.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
They're all real. They're very subtle. That's what I would say too. Exactly. And I think that Flat Earth, a lot of the evidence that gets cited as Flat Earth, like for example, NASA fakes footage. And if you look into it, it's fucking obvious that NASA is putting out fake footage. They're clearly on wires in some of that footage.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Clearly some of that footage is underwater and there's bubbles fucking floating up and shit. Which footage? Just like NASA publishes all kinds of footage from like the ISS to they have live streams So they do like videos and no one ever watches it because like whoever watches So you think some of the ISS footage is fake?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
There's a lot of footage you can find online that has come that is coming from NASA where there's like little slips or like a guy is like they're doing their floating shit and then the buddy reaches out and grabs where a wire is to help his buddy get back into frame like little slips of the mind where they're like just trying to orchestrate I've never seen any of that
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And who knows if it's real or not? Yeah, so all I'm saying is that gets cited by flat earthers as like NASA's covering up flat earth. And what I'm saying is that there's a lot of reasons why NASA would cover up and produce fake footage from something like the ISS and every single one of them rhymes with aliens.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Because if there's any type of aliens going on up here, it's very possible that they are up there in that fucking space station or they're like they could be like, I don't know. And I'm not saying I think they are for sure. I'm just saying that people tend to look at a piece of evidence and jump too quickly on the one explanation that they're sure is right.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And sometimes there's other explanations and aliens apply to so many parts of our world like demons. Sound very much like the UAP phenomenon to me, right? A lot of these religious beliefs sound very much like explainable just with different wording by UAP phenomenon. As in some of these aliens, we seem to be being told that they communicate telepathically. They have energetic ability, right?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I'm getting to the point where I'm suspecting that we're going to be finding out that religion is like humans trying to interpret these phenomenon over millennia in all the human ways we would and telling stories about them. And I'm not saying that God's not real. I'm saying God is real. And that does not diminish God at all.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I almost think it makes God more important and more powerful to understand. Because from my understanding, correct me if you have a different one, it sounds like we're getting a lot of reports that are cross-corroborating that there's more than one thing going on here. It's not all aliens are the same. Some of them might be us from the future. Some of them might be us from under the water.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Some of them might be other species. It's really hard to pin down what all these phenomenon are. But they're definitely not just made up.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I mean, the UFO community is filled with people like that. And it's really hard to know who's who. It's super hard to know who's who.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And did you notice how recently, like a month ago sort of, there was this breaking story that set the whole UAP community on fire about this disclosure that I think Jeremy Corbo was coming out and whistleblowing on, if I remember correctly, that they were saying that they're going to trick us by saying that there's a mothership arriving in three years.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
right right yeah and it's and it becomes this thing where it's like how do you know it he's saying that he's exposing it but how do you know if he's exposed it's just like it's the ultimate test of are you skeptical enough and also open-minded enough and thoughtful enough also if there's a believer get them some bullshit feed the believer some bullshit exactly they don't even have to know that they're in on it right they don't have to know and it could be like kind of plausible bullshit and it could be corroborated with some other bullshit that you have
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I think that's what most bullshit artists are in most fields. I think it's usually useful idiots, like people like myself, genuinely. I am in some ways one of those people in the sense that if I get fooled by something, I become that, which is why it's so important to think really carefully and to be okay with being wrong because you never know what your sources are.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Let's see it real quick. Yeah, something I love about the JFK story is that there are so many deep experts that have really done the dig, and they don't all come to the same conclusions.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah, and that's also why I'm really I'm really careful not to do very many like leaks or whistleblows or like because How do I know who the fuck you are?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And no one would ever choose an egg shape when they're describing an aircraft. Right, right, right. Especially back then.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I mean, you could make the argument, not the Bhagavad Gita, but you could make the argument that back then people were writing fiction or wanted attention. Those could apply, but I'm skeptical. But yeah, I get down with the ancient ones. Like with the Graham Hancocks of this world.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
That was my first conspiracy theory stuff back when I was a leftist is I was just like ancient conspiracy theories, let's go. And it's so compelling. The Great Flood, the Randall Carlsons of this world and the way that they kind of talk about. And it's so obvious more and more and more. That there is a cover-up. And Jimmy Corsetti has been really going hard at mainstream archaeology lately.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
He's fantastic. To not just look at the evidence of the old school, like the ancient conspiracy theories, but actually to just go at the cover-up today. Because that sometimes is the most effective thing is to just target the cover-up. Because that is clear evidence that we're onto something.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
But then you do get people that go all the way to the guy that thinks Nibiru is the 12th planet or whatever. Zacharias Sitchin.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And there's people that go so far down these ancient conspiracy theory rabbit holes that I feel like we're getting way off track here, guys. We're starting to cite sources that are not credible and we're taking it to places where like, yeah, maybe the Anunnaki were here to mine gold and maybe we're, I mean, very plausible that we're all genetically engineered.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I think, but there's, there's like a fine line between, between maybe that could be true. And those stories are the best though.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I'm actually, I'm planning to write a book that is sort of like a series of books really in my, like across my later life. That is basically. Imagine writing a book that is like set in the, you could write ancient books about the old school where if that book was real, you could still wind up in today's world with all the same evidence we have and it could be real.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Even if back then it's crazy magic and there's like all this crazy shit going on, Could still end up with all the pyramids are left over from that and all the the ruins are here after that great flood thing happened Right and then you could like write all kinds of crazy conspiracy theory stories into today then that like how could you prove that? This is not real right?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And even their purpose doesn't make any fucking sense. Clearly they were not tombs.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I mean, pretty clearly they were some sort of power generation or something like that.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I've been seeing Timothy, the grandmaster of the Knights Templar guy that's going around on podcasts these days. Timothy someone. Yeah, dude, it's crazy.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Is he talking about the aquifers underneath them and the two types of stone sort of a thing?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And they're built on aquifers from the Nile flooding every year. And every year when the Nile floods, water rushes underneath those pyramids.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I suspect telepathy of some form. I suspect like alien capability. Do you think it's technology or do you think it's like- Well, it's some kind of technology, right? You don't think it could possibly be that aliens have the ability to literally move things with their minds?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah, because he's already hitting the neck. You're totally right.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Jimmy's done, Jimmy Corsetti's done some great videos where he compiles real videos of us moving large objects today. And like the trucks breaking and the cranes falling off of cliffs and all this shit of like, look at how hard it is to move these kinds of rocks. It's crazy.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And then when you look at the cover up, there's no reason for that level of cover up if it's just a building technology. That's where I start to go. Clearly, that is connected to these UAP technologies, to these free energy technologies, whatever it is. There has to be some sort of reason why covering up how these ancient structures and ancient cultures were built and worked.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Has to relate somehow to something very important and valuable today.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I saw a really funny meme the other day that was, it was like four pictures, and it was humanity gets really intelligent and invents AI. AI builds all these crazy technologies and pyramids. Sun flare wipes out AI. Humanity restarts. Yeah. It could be. That's a fair, I mean, how would we know?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
It is an interesting split in the conversation, right, between the solar flare conversation and the comet impact conversation. Right. And there's like evidence for both.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I mean, I'd imagine that we only lived inside of sorts of like Elora caves type places for a while, right? Right.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Entire cities that can house thousands and thousands and thousands of people. And a couple of smart researchers point out really astutely that if you were doing that to hide from other humans, to protect yourself from other humans, you would never dig into a cave system that you could just get drowned in.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
You would never dig into a cave system that has no way out so that you can just get sealed in.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
We have plenty of food out here. And that's another example of this exact same phenomenon we're talking about of these old control systems that work perfectly well in the old era.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And now that we have this communication technologies and everyone's getting linked together, it's just the free flow of ideas that just it's like this natural evolution of consciousness and humanity that we just naturally start to break through those. I'm of the mindset that, yeah, we can all change the world. And yeah, we all, our choices do matter a lot.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
But also in some ways, we're all just part of this cosmic system of like the evolution. Like we're all just part of this giant humanity system where we all collectively on balance with all the weird probabilities of all these people. We're going to evolve technology. We were going to industrial revolutionize. We were going to find oil. We were going to discover electronics.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
We were going to invent AI. It was always going to happen. Right. And this is an era that is always what's going to happen. And it will happen one way or the other. Like, we affect how it happens. We could go the Whitney Webb dystopian, like, they rule us with surveillance everywhere.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Or we could go to this great utopia of, like, everyone has enough and we're all, you know, using technology for the better. Well, I think she's right that that's a possibility.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I do respect how he openly will say that, like, yeah, the things I'm inventing could be used for evil. Like, the things I'm inventing are dangerous. And we need to be careful and regulate them properly and create them with intention and careful care. I don't know if he's necessarily doing as much as I would hope he's doing to take care with that. But I'm sure glad it's him and not...
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Jeffrey Epstein, who was deeply interested in all these same technologies. This is a whole other side of him that no one talks about is his interest in technologists and geneticists and all those things. Right.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And a couple of them had some serious accusations, like Marvin Minsky, for example, but I bet a lot of them were not compromised, like Stephen Hawking. Everyone freaked out when Stephen Hawking was on the list, but it makes perfect sense as you realize that he was throwing conventions on that island for scientists, specifically,
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
To bring them all together because that way you get connections, you can get favors. Even if you're not blackmailing them, then they just want to be on your good side because you have all these connections and you can fund all their projects. And you become this integral part of this technological sort of space.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
He also just hooked people up with wives. Like, do you know that he claimed that he introduced Melania to Trump? Yeah. Yeah, that's a crazy one. I suspect... Melania conspiracy time. I suspect that Melania has been whispering in Trump's ear, I think she was trafficked before. Either bad trafficked or just, like, knew Epstein and, like, knew that world a little bit.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
But I suspect that she's been whispering in his ear about what that really is and does and all that things. Because a lot of... She's been kind of, like, acting from the back a lot. But when you really dig into what Melania's been doing, she's very... Very active in anti-trafficking and in protecting traffic victims and girls and stuff.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And as Trump, when he married her and then they have Barron and he's watching his son grow up. So you have this young child and you have this wife telling you about her previous life, probably. And just whispering in your ear that like this could be your legacy. This could be your legacy. This could be your legacy. Right.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Because he used to be friends with those people, even though I don't think he I don't think he was blackmailed because I think that would have come out when the Democrats were going for him. Right. And maybe he was involved in the trafficking a little bit because of the things that he bought and the people that he knew and like Roy Cohn connections. But I don't even know about that.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
But regardless, he knows the game and then he marries Melania and then more and more like he was in charge when Epstein went down. He was the only one that when Epstein got arrested and they were going around asking for dirt, he was like, I'll fully fucking cooperate. Fuck that guy. I'll tell you everything that I know.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And so I suspect that Melania has been instrumental in his sort of shift to being the only guy willing to go after those traffickers.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And I think it's because of Israel. Because I think, I mean, when you really dig into Epstein, his entire network was Israel. It was clearly. Like Ehud Barak was the ex-prime minister and the ex-head of Israeli intelligence. Leslie Wexner was one of the most powerful pro-Israeli philanthropists. The whole organization was Israel. So I'm not saying it was all of Israel.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And it was targeting Americans. It was targeting American officials and the American president. And the CIA does have interest in those targets to elements in the CIA does. Certainly they had help from the CIA and certainly they had help from these other organized crime and intelligence operations. But you don't like. So, for example, Dan Bongino, the new was the deputy director of the FBI.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
He recently had this clip that went all around where he said on camera that he had a source that he trusted deeply. And he's an informed guy. He was at a Fox News interview, and the source told him that Epstein was working for an intelligence agency in the Middle East. And I don't know which one, but someone in the Middle East. And to be fair, we all already knew this.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
We already know who he worked for, at least I think so. But I'm looking at, okay, Dan, so if this giant group of Jewish billionaires is running a sex trafficking operation targeting American politicians and business people and stuff, you think they're working with an Arab or Muslim nation in the Middle East?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
You think that Leslie Wexner is devoting his entire life to philanthropies on behalf of Israel, but then he's gonna work for Saudi Arabia when he's doing this trafficking run?
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Well, he also has to repeat it the same way because he won't get the job if he says Israel. Because Israel has so much control over our government right now. And I'm not saying that all Jews are in on something. Clearly. Internet. Thank you. And Joe is definitely not saying that. Definitely not.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
But Israel's government is every bit as vulnerable to the deep state effect as the American government is. But I would argue that Israel's government is way more vulnerable to it because of the people that founded Israel and the way it was founded. It was founded in a modern time, much more recently. It was a revolutionary founding.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And I can totally sympathize with the Jewish desire to have that state. I get it. But because of the way that happened, the people that founded Israel were a bunch of organized crime figures in America, the Jewish mob, that were helping with money and with arms trafficking to get the guns there because they had to have guns.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And it was the Rothschild banking family sending a whole bunch of money and getting the declaration in the first place. And then the people that were there, the three different organizations, the Irgun, the Lehi Group, and the Haganah, those were the three paramilitary groups that fought to found Israel, and they're like the heroes of Israel.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Which I understand the narrative that they're heroes, but when Israel was officially founded, they officially designated Irgun and Lehi as terrorist organizations because they had been bombing civilians. They'd been bombing British civilians.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
The first official act of terror before they changed the definition was the bombing of the King David Hotel, where these terrorists, these Lehi and Irgun terrorists, a bunch of different groups, the guy who planned that bombing later became the prime minister of Israel. they were bombing civilians.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And, and like, so those, when those are the groups that are fighting to found that nation, even if all the Jews there are wonderful people, the leadership is inherently composed of these people that have been deeply corrupt for all time. And so you get this fertile ground for, for this kind of deep state effect to take power.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And when you start to research the heads of state of Israel over history, you realize that a bunch of them were in those groups doing those terrorist acts and have done a bunch of dark stuff because those were the people that were at the top of that military organization. Those terrorist organizations reformed to form the IDF.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
It opened wide open. Post Gaza. You want to know a funny story, actually? I didn't know shit about it. And I started doing 9-11 stuff. And I was doing a 9-11 video on my YouTube. And I knew about the dancing Israeli conspiracy theory that is very much a real set of documents. And I knew that I'm not allowed to talk about Israel for some reason. And I didn't really know why.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And I realized, like, I better fucking understand this thing before I crater my new channel and career on this. Topic I don't understand. If I'm going to take a stance against Israel at all, I should understand why and how. So I started doing research and I shelved that research and I switched to researching Israel and Palestine and the history there and what's going on.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And I finished the video and it was October 6th. And I was like, I was very worried because it's like, you weren't allowed to talk about it. And I had just made this whole documentary about the history of Israel-Palestine and the propaganda and what it all was. And I published on October 6th on my locals channel.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And I kind of had this like lean back and like, if that's the end of the ride and I get canceled for this shit, So be it. And then literally the next day, and I'm not saying that October 7th was a good thing, but I'm saying that literally the next day, the entire internet was ablaze about Israel and Palestine and everyone was talking about it. And it was the weirdest fucking coincidence.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And suddenly it was like, oh, all right, let's fucking dig this thing open. Because unfortunately it is, I mean, I think fortunately, I think that the state of the Israeli influence that sustained them for so long, that was essential to them surviving this long, I think that it has grown cancerous to the Jewish faith in general because Jeffrey Epstein is the perfect example of this.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Jeffrey Epstein was the world's most prolific and evil sex trafficker that we know of so far, ever. And he very clearly was a Jewish organization of Jewish people working on behalf of Israel and other groups. And so that's a dark stain on Israel and on the Jewish people if you own it. Like if you try to defend that, that's not good. You don't want to have to defend that.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Oh, good catch on that frame. And then back. And it's all gone. Like, his face is just clearly open right there.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
You want to be free of that kind of shit because the Jewish people don't believe in that. That's not what Jews are. Jews are regular people.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And the thing about Israel is that Jewish people have every incentive to need to defend Israel. Right.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Because if I'm a Jew, it's like, of course you have to defend Israel. Like, that's very understandable. It's your people. And you don't want another Holocaust. Like, you don't want another. Like, what do you like? Jews have been in conflict with other people for ages because they are outsiders and because they are so different and because they group up and lots of reasons.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
But you don't like as a Jewish person, you're now faced with this choice. Do I stand by Israel always forever for everything and defend everything they do? Or do I get labeled as a self-hating Jew like Dave Smith gets labeled, like Glenn Greenwald gets labeled? Do I stand against all of my culture and do I get ostracized by my family and by my community? Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah. And so it just puts us all in this impossible situation, and it's an impossible conversation that we... And I'm glad for it because it's a maturing process. And I think we need to do it very delicately and very carefully and thoughtfully because Jewish people are people and they're not evil. But there are evil Jewish people and there are evil American people and there are evil Saudi people.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And that's the way it is. Well said. Right? Well said. And so I welcome the conversation. But unfortunately, the thing...
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
for me, fortunately, is when I first researched it, I came across this documentary on Rumble called The Occupation of the American Mind, which is a very well put together documentary that is mostly Jewish people speaking about the history of Israel and about how they realized in the 80s when there was this specific operation where they wound up bombing this refugee camp called Sabra and Shatila, or a refugee camp in a place called Sabra and Shatila.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And there was other bombing, like atrocities. It was like, I guess it was a massacre, it wasn't a bombing. And it was the first time where Western journalists had taken video cameras over there and video feed were coming back of the conflict of what was happening. And American sentiment turned really harshly against Israel in the 80s there.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And they realized we don't need to win just the kinetic war. We need to win the ideological war on the global scale. Because if we don't win that ideological war, the whole world will turn against us and call us a colonial project, which I would argue they kind of are. But that's not the point here. And I don't mean to say I'm necessarily right about my perspective on that.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
But that's when they switched to a propaganda war and they started targeting the United States with propaganda. And they hired the world's top propagandists to tell to teach Israelis and Israeli military officials and government officials how to communicate with the West and how to propagandize the West so that we would remain neutral. In the dark a little bit.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I feel like if there was a conspiracy theorist training course, the JFK assassination would be the perfect dry run training course to build it around because you have all the pieces. You have a complex conspiracy with unknown actors from intelligence agencies and organized crime and maybe multiple governments. And we don't know all that. Then you have a complex cover-up that evolved over time.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
That's why we have this veil and this antisemitism thing. And it's like all the, it's why you're not allowed to talk about it because it evolved over time. And they eventually Howard, they hired this guy that I think is called Howard Luntz. Um, and Luntz worked with the Israel project.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
There's a report online that came out in 2009, I think called the Israel, the Israel language dictionary, the Israel American language dictionary. Um, And it's basically a word for word. This is how you discuss the rockets raining down. This is how you discuss the settlements. This is how you discuss the occupation and the palace and all these things.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And they use examples of words that work and words that don't work. And when you read it, you realize like, holy shit, that's exactly what politicians have been saying on TV my entire life. And they use Obama as one example of really good words that work.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
You should talk like Obama because he's good at sort of empathizing with the other side and making us understand that, like, we're here for peace and they're the terrorists. And I say that to mean that we live inside this propagandized space because it's been essential to them for so long to protect that image in order to continue the deep state element of what they're doing.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
when I would argue that we would all be much better off if Bibi was fucking not there, and we had a more sane person in charge of Israel that was actually there for peace and not there for whatever the fuck Bibi is doing, and we could start to heal this thing and talk about it.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah, I suspect I'm hoping I'm not blowing the lid on Trump's idea here. I kind of suspect that Trump is kind of in on a coup against Netanyahu right now. This is just my theory based upon the way he talked about like occupying Gaza and the way he's friends with Jared Kushner and the way he's friends with the Adelson's.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I suspect that these powerful Jews like the Adelson type people are starting to realize that Netanyahu is is kind of sinking this ship. And he's kind of fucked it all up and it's not going well for Israel in the public conversation. Like I can ratio just about anyone I want on Twitter over the Israel thing because the public sentiment is just shifting.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And it's not healthy for anyone, for Jewish people or anyone else. And I'd suspect that the powerful Jewish people are starting to see that and are starting to scheme on how do we fucking get Netanyahu out of there and put someone in that can actually move us towards some sort of peace.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
because without a genuine desire for like Netanyahu is on fucking camera saying that they have propped up Hamas in the Gaza Strip because they don't want a real government in the Gaza Strip because it's far better for them to run this occupation and to eventually take the land if Hamas is I mean I'm that's not an exact quote everyone should look that up for themselves but not just propped up but funded exactly yeah and intentionally like kept there just when you hear that you're like well what's the logic for funding Hamas
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Well, it's the exact same logic as us funding the Taliban. Yeah. It's the exact same logic.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah, 100%. Yeah. And it happens over and over and over again. We're just sending money willy-nilly to all these like Ukraine, Israel, Taliban, you name it. And those are just a small spatter. We've done it across the whole world, Indonesia, Central and South America.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Forever. And it's this playbook of the deep state is a funny term. I think it's kind of time to retire it because it's not the deep state. It's like this corporate, like transnational corporate criminal organization space where transnational corporations like the banks, like JP Morgan, Jamie Dimon, They were banking Jeffrey Epstein. They don't answer to us. They're not American.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
You have researchers. You have bad information being fed in from outside organizations. You have conspiracy theorists that are taking it in directions that are like corroborable. It's got all the things that you need to both learn how to dig into and learn how to watch out for. It's a lot of fun.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
They don't give a shit about America. Like, they give a shit about money and power. And they're legally required to because they're a public corporation. That's a whole BlackRock thing we could go down. It's crazy. And so, like, when you look at it as people who have this globalist, and actually that's why people shit on Alex Jones for saying globalists.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Like, all the fucking anti-Jew people are like, Just say the Jews. And it's like, no, dude, like there's way more going on here. And the, and the tie that binds all of them together, the Klaus Schwab's of this world, the, the Jeff Bezos is the, and I don't know, maybe Jeff's a good guy. I don't know.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
But like the people that don't think in terms of these are my people and I love them, but I'd rather, I'm like a piece of this global community of billionaires that were like, our job is just to make money and fucking control the world. Like Bill Gates is a great example.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
They live outside of our world and they do not give a shit if COVID kills 10,000 people or 100,000 people or 10 million people, whatever. And I'm generalizing because obviously they are individuals and they each have their own perspective on what's going on. But it feels to me from researching, there's enough of them that are evil. That they're doing some horrible things.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
And the ones that are a little less evil, maybe they know what they're in on. Maybe they only know some of it. Because you don't have to disclose everything. And these kinds of plans, like, for example, in a CIA plot to overthrow the government of Guatemala, you're not telling everyone the whole plan. They didn't tell Smedley Butler. No, they didn't tell him shit.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
They told him that like this they told him that they were gonna overthrow a communist that was already taking over the what like and I think they probably told him that he was a Jewish communist because they think they were riding on like FDR's second-in-command was Henry Morgenthau jr And he was deeply aligned with the Jewish like the rich Jewish kind of powers in the world at that day and there was a lot of anti-jewish sentiment back then and so I suspect that they told Smedley Butler that like I
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
This guy's a fucking Jewish plant, and he's part of the Rothschild thing, and he's a communist, we need to overthrow him. And Smedley didn't buy it. Smedley collected fucking research on them, and he went to FDR, and he exposed the whole plot. But the problem was that FDR couldn't do anything, because these people, titans of industry, like the Bushes of the world, the Fords, the...
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
I don't even know all their names at this point. It's been a while since I did that dig. Um, he couldn't do anything. And so nothing happened. He couldn't charge them because they just said, you just got out of the great depression. We will fuck your economy up. Done. Done. And there's so much power. Let's bring this to a fucking halt.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Let's real quickly, though. Be clear. Joe does not agree with everything that I just said on this podcast.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah, Joe doesn't know shit, okay? I am so upset that I even platformed you. This is Ian Carroll speaking. You're outrageous. And also, I'm perfectly willing to have a conversation about this. I don't know that I'm right about everything. I just know the sources I've read and where I've read them, and I try my best to figure out where they are.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Yeah. Find me on X Ian Carroll Show, and I have a new website that just launched, which is CancelIanCarroll.com. So cancel me, bitches. Perfect. Come at me. Bye, everybody. Bye.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
Have you guys ever heard the theory that frames were taken out of the Zapruder film to make it look like the car never slowed down? That's crazy. That's bizarre. The thing is, I don't know how to trust things like AI reconstructions of videos.
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#2284 - Ian Carroll
That is so crazy. Oh, my God. That's so crazy. The theory about the driver shooting him, that's the one I've never bought, honestly. People always say the driver turned around and shot him.