Host / Moderator
Appearances
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
But the Knicks are in the game now, and the Knicks haven't felt like this in 25 years. Legitimately, that game last night is the best feeling there's been in that place this century.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
But it's not just that. New York having a funny, testy relationship with, we gave up five picks for you, what did we give up five picks for? Oh, what we gave up five picks for is a guy who is tough enough... zu den Celtics zu gehen und in der Viertelfinale etwas zu sein, was Tatum bedauern kann.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Alright, so your areas of expertise. I just want to cover this on behalf of what this media company becomes. And I know that Zaslow is saying he's judge and jury over here, but I think that Greg Cody would allege he's got the greatest of the journalistic credentials here in this room.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Guys, though, this is what's so cool about this story, because I've seen it so loud from Nick's fandom, and please find me Jorge Sedano before the end of the show so that I can get to the bottom of this. Because he accused Stern of rigging the league, and we have to get that sound. Balls question. It's just ridiculous. Balls.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
The New York Knicks of today, not popular for 25 years with the rah-rah frat of our old guys limp on the sidelines. Back to Clyde Frazier to feel that feeling it felt like in this garden in New York once upon a time. For that Knicks team to be built to fight the Celtics and go through this story arc. I loved Hartenstein. Harten, Hartenstein and Thibodeau playing the grit minutes.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
That's my favorite team. They made me feel so good. Better than Carmelo. DiVincenzo. Oh my god. That's such a cute story. Don't break up that lovely team that gets squashed by the Heat and Tyler Hero and bam. And get squashed. Oh, that's not good enough. Don't fall in love at your own peril there. That's not good enough. Oh, Cat. I don't know if he's tough enough. Is that garden grit?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
No, but it's 40 footers. Von einem 7-Footer, der 35 im Spiel schießen kann. Und wenn du ihn gegen Tatum brauchst, kann er an jedem Abend, wenn er von langer Range geht, was Tatum macht. Jeden Abend. Das ist das beste Ding, das ich je gesehen habe. Und sie haben Brunson. Also jetzt hast du... Die Geschichte von Bridges und Brunson und Katt sind genug schwer. Sie können den Champion entwerfen.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Greg, I don't want to put words in your mouth. This is one of the tensions we have in here right now. The second one's worse. The second one's a good deal worse.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Jimmy Butler hat mir gesagt, dass Katt nicht schwer ist. Er ist mentale schwach und wir haben uns von seiner Stimme gefreut. Er ist nicht stark genug, um Nummer 1 zu sein. Du kannst ihm nicht in den Garten gegen Tatum und die Champs vertrauen, kannst du?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Billy, I'm frustrated today, Cody, because it's a Greg Cody Tuesday headed into a Wild Willie Wednesday and things tend to go off the rails here. And if you throw Zaslow in the mix on playoff newcomer, basketball playoff newcomer over there, Mike Ryan thinks nobody's going to notice that now all of a sudden he's interested. Tony, like the hypocrisy next to you, dude.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Pacers started running in 2014. You've been bandwagon basketball guy in a way that's a little bit offensive to Amin and everyone else around here.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
No, but on the heat, he's reporting something no one's reporting. Okay.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Tony, Mike Ryan hat dich einfach gearbeitet. Und er hat dich gearbeitet, weil er gesagt hat, hast du Steph Curry gesehen? Und dann, nein, Steph Curry war natürlich nicht da. Du hättest ihn einfach checkmaten können, wenn du gesagt hättest... Hast du Steph Curry gesehen? Und du hattest auch Minnesota Golden State gesehen. Es war nicht auf deinem großen Fernseher. Du hast genug gewusst.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Der Sound war nicht auf. Du weißt nichts über das Spiel. Du weißt nicht, wie gut Julius Randle in dieser Serie war.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Er hat einfach... Er ist gerade hier, er ist gerade hier auf Basketball und er wird drei Viertel und Sport drei Viertel an der Zeit.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
You can't talk to this. Jimmy Butler was minus 30 last night and took nine shots.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
I really should have. I gotta tell you though, it is funny. But are you watching the rehearsal? This is nuts. Das ist verrückt. Versuch mal, Episode 3 zu beschreiben, mein Freund. Ich sage nur, in der Geschichte des Fernsehs ist so etwas wie das niemals geschehen.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Es ist so anders. Es ist so ambitiös.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Stellt es auf die Liste. Es ist waschbar. Es ist nicht wie Greg Cody bei Michelin-Restaurants. Stellt es auf die Liste. Ist die Rehe die am ambitionierteste Show in der Geschichte des Fernsehens? Ich könnte literally eine Argumentation für das machen, dass es so ambitant ist wie Game of Thrones, aber auf Stupide.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
auf einen gewissen Niveau von Schwierigkeit, wo du alles, wofür du schaust... Du findest es vielleicht gar nicht lustig. Du denkst dir, warum haben sie so viel Geld verdient? Für diesen Mann? Weil er seltsam ist?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Es ist ein bisschen schwer, die Rehe zu erklären, den Leuten, die daran interessiert sind. Es ist nicht sehr schwer zu verstehen. Es ist nur ein sehr ambitiöses Projekt.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Tony, ich weiß, dass du verloren bist. War es um einen Hund oder einen Piloten?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
das Breastfeeding?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Also, Tony, vergiss mich für Billy's Yammering. Ich habe Julius Randall gesehen.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
I will tell you something else that is funny about the New York Knicks and this present enthusiasm that the New York Knicks are feeling when I'm here to tell you that unless there are major injuries, that team has zero chance of winning the championship. Zero chance. Die New York Knicks dieses Jahr sind 3-11 gegen die Cavs, Celtics und Thunder. Diese drei Siege sind in dieser Serie.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
3-11 gegen die besten Teams in der Liga. Ich habe keine Ahnung, wie furchtbar Sie denken, dass diese Version der Knicks ist, die eine mehr geliebte Version ist als die letzte Jahrhundertversion, weil es Brunson und besser ist. Sie glauben in das Herz, aber diese Mannschaft kann nicht gewinnen.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Die Cavs sind fertig. Die Pacers können mit jemandem spielen. Richtig?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Es ist eine seltsame Sache zu sagen, ist es nicht? Die Pacers können mit jemandem spielen. In der neuen Evolution von dem, was es ist. Wenn Halliburton von 30 Füßen schießen wird und wir einen legitimen Argument jeden Abend haben können, wer ist der beste Spieler? Siakam oder Halliburton? Aber beide können es. Du glaubst nicht an einen, Michael.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Jay Williams is getting roasted for saying on GetUp that the Mavs should consider trading the number one pick for a player like Giannis, Devin Booker or Maxi.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
We all know that Charlotte would have been perfect. I think we can be clear on this, even though Joel Embiid, pretty special physical talent. Es beginnt alles mit Giannis. Einer der Dominoes oder danach. Jeder versteht, dass wenn du Giannis bekommst, dann bekommst du ihn. Denn die nächsten drei Jahre von Giannis können nahe sein, egal, wer du da hinstellst. Und natürlich ist jeder in dem Spiel.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Das scheint offensichtlich. Nicht egal, wer.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Nein, aber du hättest eine Chance, sobald er seinen Namen zu etwas bezeichnet, richtig? Ja.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Also Billy, objektierst du das, was ich sage? Dass Giannis jeden Team besser macht, sobald du ihn bekommst?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Ich bin sorry, Billy. Bam und Hero. Billy, ich will nicht das ganze Ding wieder machen. Aber du verstehst, dass die... Das ist nicht für eine Diskussion. Du musst die Salarien matchen. Aber ich würde vermuten, dass wenn Giannis in den Heat interessiert ist, die Antwort auf das ist, wer du willst, mach den Kontrakt-Match-Up. Nimm, wer du willst. Du musst nicht vermuten, dass ich es veröffentliche.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Take any four or five pieces that need to match up.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
I'm saying it definitively because Giannis is a reset on what... Architekturisch ist ein GMs Job, die anderen 11 Teile zu finden. Die eine, die du nie selbst entwickeln kannst, ist diese. Und es gibt vier in der Liga. Es sind nicht zehn. Anthony Davis und Joel Embiid sind nicht genug. Nein, was du bekommst, ist ein Superstar, der sich interessiert.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Gesicht der Liga, sofortige Injektion in dein Saisonticket-System. Eine Wirtschaftsökonomie, die Giannis das Geschäft mit seinem Bruder bringt. Du wirst die ganze Familie nehmen. So wird das funktionieren.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Und jede Mannschaft in der Liga würde ihn wollen. Und ich denke, jede Mannschaft in der Liga würde jeden Spieler, den sie für ihn haben, handeln.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Ich werde dir sagen, dass Dallas, der gerade die Lotterie gewonnen hat, egal wie unpopular sein Generalmanager ist, seine Überzeugung ist, dass Luca seine Körper nicht in drei Jahren einer dieser fünf Teile sein wird. Like, that's how they presented that. I need to win with defense. Which is why we traded for Anthony Davis. I mean, he's an idiot, but you understand. Process over result.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
This is why Nico being a winner today is uproarious. Can we go back to Boost Mobile, please?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
The callers are getting better. Keep getting sharper, please. The telephone number is 305-486-GOTS. G-O-T-Z-4689. 305-486-4689.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Okay, so when Zaslow says, I know, Tony, help me here with this, because we're growing a media company. When Zaslow says, I know, is that bigger than Mike Ryans, that I should remind you. That Mike Ryans, that I should remind you. When Mike says that, he's saying, hey, you know I'm credible, right? In those contexts, Mike is reminding you that he already knows what it is.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Zazzle is just giving you the exact, just dope of, I know what this is and they told me. Right, this is the first time for me. Right, right.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
I want some assistance here because I believe that Zaz is... Very quickly, I know I can be...
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Juan come lately, but I believe Zaslow is passing Greg Cody journalistically because the newspaper business is dying, the information game is growing, and Zaslow, the part of this story that you guys are ignoring, like, man, oh man, we are selfish in Miami and selfish in coverage, when it's like, oh, Giannis might be interested in Miami.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Hey guys, you know Anthony Davis is also a game changer, right? No, we're not talking about him right now. No, but no, somebody else worked... No, wait a minute, what are we... What do you mean we're not talking about... They missed playoffs.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
I don't care what your opinion is of Anthony Davis. Zaz reported something.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Please don't go the way they want you to. Guys, guys, no. Yes, thank you. We need to... Cody, Zaslow right now is kicking your ass on heat information. He's better at information. I would say that Zaslows two reports might be bigger than any story you've broken other than my betrayal about my engagement.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Boldest Take is where we're headed, but I have legitimate tension in the room here that I need your guys' help with. Because in the space where we grow as a media company, Zaslow has gotten off to a hot start here with our show and has become a journalist in the last couple of months. The information game is very crowded.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Anthony Davis surprised me. That's a little bit more of a surprise. Wait a minute. So this is reporting and it's legitimate. And I'm asking you, why are you denying the credibility of his report?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Okay, jetzt, ich weiß, Billy, Mike, bitte, ich weiß, ich weiß, ich bin der Shitster.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Why is it not official?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
So Mike Ryan makes fun. Mike Ryan says, I'm doing all of this. And yet here he is saying, somewhere after that I shall remind you, he said, the ringer took your knees out from under you.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Also, journalistische Outfits, die ein bisschen Macht haben, können das Ergebnis der Spiele beeinflussen. Und Zaslow berichtet als legitime Miami-Audio-Legende. Okay. Er berichtet, Anthony Davis und Giannis sind interessiert in Miami. Das ist nicht etwas, das ich jemals gesehen habe.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Ah, and I don't see anything... Okay, so ESPN is the only thing that validates... Okay, so MetalArk Media is not allowed to have any reports, it's just ESPN is the only important one?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Around here so far Mike Ryan is the only one who's wanted that lane and he does not pretend to be a journalist. Mike Ryan says flatly, I'm a fan, I'm a booster, I'm a businessman, I care about the University of Miami first, but also more plugged in on NIL, more better information, starts his own business because the Canes are worth following and he's got better information than anybody.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Okay, but... And so you're saying if Zaz were more credible, an ESPN employee, you're saying if Zaz... Like, he works at ESPN, he's reporting it. Right.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Chuckles, he called you?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Chuckles, he just called you. He hit you with Chuckles. And this is what I wanted to say from before. I was chuckling at the time, in fairness. Chris Cody. I'm in a dangerous emotional space with your father. Your father is willing to take 20 years of beating from me in the name of loving friendship.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
But lest I say a foul word about his son, I lose him emotionally for sometimes days and weeks because he will abide no man disrespecting his son in public. He'll give him a chicken wing. Und ich mag es nicht, deinen Vater hier verrückt zu machen, aber er ist auf mich enttäuscht. Und Zaslo, Zaslo, du hast es gesehen, richtig?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Weil Zaslo hat auf deinen Vater geschaut und es ist das erste Mal, dass er sieht, oh, oh, warte mal, das ist kein Charakter. Dieser Kerl würde gerne den Kopf von Dan nehmen und ihn in den Ozean werfen.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
A bond has been formed. It wasn't a laugh, it was a chuckle. If that's not the Levitard story here, Chuckles. Bond formed over Chuckles. What a pathetic slogan. That's what we're writing. We've been accused of being a chuckle fest for 20 years. Right? Okay. Well, your dad's not chuckling about this, is what I'm telling you.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
You got him mad. He'd like me to apologize to his son on air.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Already risen. Are we willing to allow Zaslow to be judge and jury? We've confirmed him. Are we going to make it judge and jury and executioner Zaslow? Because he's a journalist. He's getting into the information game. Mike, you know this can be scary, right? Chris, you know this can be scary.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Ein paar von ihnen. Es ist nicht nur diese Geschichte. Glückwunsch, dass du dich begrüßt hast. Nein, es ist nur die Messy-Story.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
So, I know that all of this is bothersome. With prejudice. Thank you, Zaslow. I appreciate these edicts. I don't actually want to do the silly storyline stuff around the basketball today. I really do want to, because the hockey playoffs are magical enough. The Oilers coming after. The game was nuts last night. Die Eulers kommen nach Greg Codys, McDavid ist überratet.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Ja, du hast die Messy-Story verbracht. Ich stelle es auf die Bühne. Vergesst die Leute, dass Mike Ryan die Messy-Story verbrach?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Und wenn man schaut, wie gute Teams in der Champions League aussehen, ihr habt mir gesagt, dass das in Washington passieren würde, wenn die Playoffs kommen, weil es so ein anderer Stil ist. Aber ich will wirklich in unserem Wheelhouse die historische Glorie feiern, dass wir beide die Knicks und die Celtics auf dem Treppen sehen können.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Und ich muss ehrlich sein, ich denke, wir würden alle ehrlich sein über das. Auch in den preciösen Tagen, in denen wir alle wissen, was die Transaktionen bedeuten. Alle von uns auf den Bridges waren so, was machst du? Was machst du auf den Bridges? Und die Antwort ist, um die Celtics zu kämpfen. Speziell sie, nicht alle. Die Celtics haben gewonnen. Fünf Picks für die Bridges, bist du verrückt?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Gobert, fünf Picks, worüber reden wir? Oh, Bridges ist der dritte Typ, spezifisch auf der Perimeter, mit dem Spiel, wie es sich verändert. Das könnte nützlich sein, wenn Tatum keinen Moment hat und Bridges am Ende des Spiels da ist. Tatum bekommt keinen Schuss oder einen Pass, weil Bridges fünf erste Runde hat. Für das! Das ist der Grund, warum er da ist. New York, schwierige Beziehung mit ihm.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Der dritte Typ ist hart, Drew Holliday hat es gut gemacht. Du gehst von Star zu einer anderen Anwendungsrate. Aber ah, Nummer zwei. Ist das nicht interessant? Karl-Anthony Towns. Hm. They've got themselves a Porzingis too. And he shoots from anywhere. And God, I wish he were more physical. Because that's the best shooting big thing I've ever seen. That is wins three point contest. What?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Oh, that's your number two. Interessant, was die Knicks da bauen. Speziell um die Celtics zu challengen. Niemand anders. Das ist das, wofür es gebaut wurde. Jeder im Sport sah, dass die Celtics auf den Kopf gingen. Sie hatten die Top-1-Runde-Picke. Und die Knicks, gewonnen von James Dolan. Ein Buffon. Ein Clown. Er verdient keinen Klatsch von dem, was dieser Knick-Run ist.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Okay, I thought we were celebrating you already. We don't need to celebrate you more.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: What's So Funny Over There, Chuckles?
Meine Frau liebte es. Ist Stu noch da? Es ist. James Dolans Team ist nicht ein liebenswertes Ding. Aber was sie gebaut haben, weil es jetzt ein Unterhund wird. Ich möchte wirklich beide die Freude und das Schleim ansehen. Einer der Stars des Spiels geht in Schmerzen und weint. Wir wissen alle, was das bedeutet. Das stinkt. Wir wollten es nicht so entschieden sehen.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
AI AGENTS EMERGENCY DEBATE: These Jobs Won't Exist In 24 Months! Containment Has Failed, We Must Prepare For What's Coming!
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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
AI AGENTS EMERGENCY DEBATE: These Jobs Won't Exist In 24 Months! Containment Has Failed, We Must Prepare For What's Coming!
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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
AI AGENTS EMERGENCY DEBATE: These Jobs Won't Exist In 24 Months! Containment Has Failed, We Must Prepare For What's Coming!
And actually, Amjad, when I started using Replit, for me, It was a paradigm shift. There was two paradigm shifts in a row that happened about a week apart. ChatGPT released that image generation model where you could create any image. It was incredibly detailed with text and all those things. That was a huge paradigm shift.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
AI AGENTS EMERGENCY DEBATE: These Jobs Won't Exist In 24 Months! Containment Has Failed, We Must Prepare For What's Coming!
And then in the same week, I finally gave in to try and figure out what this term AI agent was that I was hearing all over the internet. I heard vibe coding. I heard AI agent. I was like, I will give it a shot. Mm-hmm. And when I used Replit, 20 minutes in to using Replit, my mind was blown. And I think that night I stayed up till 3 or 4 a.m. in the morning.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
AI AGENTS EMERGENCY DEBATE: These Jobs Won't Exist In 24 Months! Containment Has Failed, We Must Prepare For What's Coming!
For anyone that doesn't know, Replit is a piece of software that allows you to create Software. And pretty much any software you want. So someone like me with absolutely no coding skills was able to build a website, build in Stripe, take payment, integrate AI into my website, add Google login to the front of my website, and do it within minutes.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
AI AGENTS EMERGENCY DEBATE: These Jobs Won't Exist In 24 Months! Containment Has Failed, We Must Prepare For What's Coming!
I just wanted to add some context to that because, Amjad, I saw the interview you did in a newsletter in 2023 where you said, I wouldn't prepare for AGI in the same way that I wouldn't prepare for the end of days.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
AI AGENTS EMERGENCY DEBATE: These Jobs Won't Exist In 24 Months! Containment Has Failed, We Must Prepare For What's Coming!
I then got the piece of software that I had built with no coding skills, sent it to my friends, and one of my friends put his credit card in and paid. Amazing. So I just launched a SaaS company with no coding skills. To demonstrate an AI agent in a very simple way, I used an online AI agent called Operator to order us all some water from a CVS around the corner.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
AI AGENTS EMERGENCY DEBATE: These Jobs Won't Exist In 24 Months! Containment Has Failed, We Must Prepare For What's Coming!
It's effectively the end of days if the vision of AGI that some of these companies have comes to bear because it's called the singularity moment because you can't really predict what happens after that. And so like, how would you even prepare for that? And you want to prepare for the more likely world.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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And that world that you can actually predict is a world where, yes, there's like a massive improvements of technology and there's like insane compounding effects of technology. And it's pretty hard to keep up. From that, it appeared that in 2023, you were saying a similar thing to Brett in terms of we can't see around the corner here because it is a singularity.
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The AI agent did everything end to end and people will be watching on the screen. It put my credit card details and it picked the water for me. It gave the person a tip. It put some delivery notes in. At some point, a guy is going to walk in. He has not interacted with a human. He's interacted with my AI agent.
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Elon Musk predicts that by 2029, we will have AI with us, AGI, that surpasses the combined intelligence of all humans. And Sam Altman actually wrote a blog three months ago that I read where he said, we are confident now, Sam Altman being the founder of OpenAry, which created ChatGPT, we are confident now that we know how to build AGI as we have traditionally understood it.
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When I put these things together, I go back to the central question of what role do humans have in this sort of professional output in GDP creation if it's smarter than all humans combined, if Elon Musk is correct there, And it's able to take actions across the internet and continue to learn. This is like a central question that I'm hoping I can answer today, which is like, where do we go? Yeah.
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And I just, the reason I use this as an example is again, it was a paradigm shift moment for me when I heard about agents about a month ago and I went on and I ordered a bottle of electrolytes. And when my doorbell rang, I freaked out, but Amjad, who are you? And what are you doing?
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They were doing that kind of stuff in Wuhan, no? I mean, a lot of the biotech companies are essentially using artificial intelligence. Like I can think of Abcelera, I think it's Abcelera, in Canada. Their whole business is using AI to create new vaccines using artificial intelligence and bigger data sets than we've never had before.
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And I know because I was very close to one of the founders of people involved in Abcelera. So that work is going on anyway. And if you think about Wuhan, it's quite probably well known now that it came out of a lab and people working in a lab. And in that scenario, that had a huge impact and shut down the world.
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The central question I'd love to answer before I throw it back open to the room is, what jobs, because I know that you have this perspective, What jobs are going to be made redundant in a world where I am sat here as a CEO with a thousand AI agents? I was thinking of all the names of the people in my company who are currently doing those jobs.
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I was thinking about my CFO when he talked about processing business data, my graphic designers, my video editors, etc. So what jobs are going to be impacted?
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Accountants? Accountants. Lawyers? Yes. I mean, I've just pulled a ligament in my foot and they did an MRI scan and I had to wait a couple of days for someone to look at the MRI scan and tell me what it meant. I'm guessing that's gone.
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So just to give you some stats here as well, about 50% of Americans who have a college degree currently use AI. The stats are significantly lower for Americans without a college degree. So you can see how a splinter might emerge there and that crack will widen because people like us at this table are all messing around with it.
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But my mum and dad in Plymouth in the southwest, rural England, haven't got, like, they just figured out iPhones. So, like, I got them an iPhone, and now they're, like, texting me back, AI is a million miles away. And if I start running off with my AGI and my agents, that gap is going to widen.
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Women are disproportionately affected by automation, which is what you were talking about there, with about 80% of working women in an at-risk job compared to just over 50% of men, according to the Harvard Business Review. And jobs requiring only a high school diploma have an automation risk of 80%, while those requiring a bachelor's degree have an automation risk of just 20%.
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So we can see again how this will cause a sort of a inequality.
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I was actually thinking, interestingly, that this might not be great for the United States or the UK, the Western world, because it is going to be a leveler. When our kid in India doesn't need a Silicon Valley office and $7 million in investment to throw up a software company, basically. Right.
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We also always underestimate a technology if it does go on to change history. When you look back through cars, horses, planes, the Wright brothers just thought of a plane as being something that the army could use. They had no idea of the application. So someone said to me recently, they said, when it does change the world, we underestimate the impact that it will change the world.
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And I see people now with their estimations of AI agents already incredibly optimistic. And so if history holds here, we are undershooting the impact it's going to have. And I think this is the first time in my life where the industrial revolution analogies seem to fall a little bit short.
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Because we've never seen intelligence. I could think of this as, I'm not an intelligent person on this, but I could see that as like the disruption of muscles. Whereas this is the disruption of...
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When you said agency is going to remain as an important thing, We're sat here talking about AI agents. And the crazy thing in a world of AI agents that have super intelligence is I can just tell my agent, listen, I'm going on holiday. Please build me a SaaS company that spots a market opportunity, throw up the website, post it on my social media channel. I'll be in Hawaii.
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And this new agentic world is stealing that too, because now it can take action. In the same way that I can browse the internet, I can call Domino's Pizza, speak to their agentic agent, organize my pizza to be there before I even wake up. And in fact, predictability, you know, OpenAI now learns, and Sam Altman said that they've expanded the memory feature.
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So it's knowing more and more and more and more about me. It'll almost be able to predict what I want when I want it. It'll know Steve's calendar. He's arriving at the studio. Make sure his cadence is on the side. Make sure his iPad has the brief on it. Do the brief. Do the research for me and everything else. So it'll remember Brett's birthday. So when I arrive, there'll be something.
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In fact, it's removing my need for any agency.
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Well, they're paying them to do that. They're saying, I will give you $500 if someone makes this for me.
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We, with this, an introduction of AI and AI agents. old value has moved. And now it's not going to be the case that the idea itself is the moat. And it's not going to be the case that resources are the moat. So in such a scenario, you still have to figure out distribution. You still have to have, for example, like an audience.
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So if you're a podcaster now, you have a million followers on Twitter, you're in a prime position because you now have something that the guy with a great idea with no audience has, you have inbuilt distribution. So I now think actually much of the game might be moving to like Yeah, still about taste and idea, but also the motives distribution.
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So to define how I define a moat, you've got a castle and it's got a, like a small circle of water around it. And once upon a time, that circle of water defended the castle from attack. And you can pull up the drawbridge so nobody can attack you very easily. It's a defense from something. So it's your shield. It's your defense.
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And once upon a time as an entrepreneur, you know, I've got a software company in San Francisco called Third Web. And we raised almost $30 million. We have a team of 50 great developers. And much of our moat was... You can't compete with us because you don't have the 50 developers and the $30 million in the bank. How much of that $30 million went to coding? The vast majority of it.
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I mean, what else are we going to do?
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And they're answering the questions you're most scared about.
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It reminds me of a mousetrap where you see the cheese and we're going, oh, my God, my grandmother is going to be able to do some research. And, oh, my God, my life is going to get easier. So you head closer and closer to the cheese. Yeah.
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You agree with that, don't you?
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And what's the scale of that disruption in your estimation?
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On the regulation point, it's worth saying that when Trump came into power, he signed in a new law, which is called removing barriers to American leadership in AI, which revokes previous AI policies that were deemed to be restrictive. And obviously, when you think about where the funding is going in AI, it's going to two places. It's going to America, and it's basically going to China.
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That's the vast majority of investment. So with those two in competition, any regulation that restricts AI in any way is actually self-sabotage. And this is, you know, I live in Europe some of the time.
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And it's already annoying to me that when Sam Altman and OpenAI released the O3 model, this new incredible model, it's not in Europe because Europe has a regulation which prevents it from coming to Europe. So we're now at a competitive disadvantage here. which Sam Altman's spoken about.
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And more broadly on this point of disruption, I was quite unnerved when I heard that Sam Altman's other startup was called Wildcoin. And Wildcoin was conceived with the goal of facilitating universal basic income, i.e.,
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Specifically? What is an AI agent? I've got this graph actually here, which I don't need to pass to any of you to be able to see the growth of AI agents. But this graph is Google search trend data.
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Helping to create a system where people who don't have money are given money by the government just for being alive to help them cover their basic food and housing needs, which suggests to me that the guy that has bought the biggest air company in the world can see something that a lot of us can't see, which is there's going to need to be a system to just hand out money to people because they're not going to be able to survive otherwise.
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Oh, okay, right. The water has arrived. Hello. Thank you. You can come on in.
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Let's talk about meaning. On that point of job displacement, this is already happening. Klarna's CEO, who has been on this podcast before, a great guy, said on a blog post that they published on Klarna's website, saying that they now have AI customer service agents handling 2.3 million chats per month, which is equal to having to hire 700 full-time people to do that.
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So they've already been able to save on 700 customer service people by having agents to do that.
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I don't have that information in front of me, but I'll have a look. I'll throw it up on screen for anyone that wants context on that. But that's already happening. This isn't some anesthetologist or something. And these aren't high-paid people in every case.
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Yes, it's 3951. Thank you so much. Thank you.
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On this point of meaning, I've heard so many billionaires in AI describe this as the age of abundance. And I'm not necessarily sure if abundance is always a great thing because, you know, when we look at mental health and we look at how people derive their meaning and their purpose in life, much of it is having something to strive towards and some struggle in a meaningful direction to you.
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And this is maybe adjacent, but when... There was a study done, I think it was in Australia, where they looked at suicide letters. And in the suicide letters, the sentiment of men in those suicide letters was they didn't feel worthy. They didn't feel like they were worth it. They didn't feel like they were needed by their families. And this is much of what caused their psychological state.
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I conjured water from my mind. And it's shown up here with us. And it clearly thinks we need a lot. But just to define the term AI agent for someone that's never heard the term before.
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And I wonder in a world of abundance where we... A lot of these AI billionaires are telling us that we're going to have so much free time and we're not going to need to work if there is at all going to be a crisis of meaning, a mental health problem.
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Interestingly, you also see in Western countries that when we get more abundance, we start having less kids. And we're already seeing this sort of population decline in the Western world, which is kind of scary. I think it's often associated with affluence. The more money someone makes, the less likely they are to want to have children, the more they try and protect their freedoms.
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But also on this point of AI, relationships are hard, you know? My girlfriend is happy sometimes and not happy other times. And I have to like, you know, go through that struggle with her of like working on the relationship. Children are hard.
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And if we are optimizing ourselves and, you know, much of the reason that I sustain the struggle with my girlfriend is I'm sure from some evolutionary reason because I want to reproduce and I want to have kin. But if I didn't have to deal with the struggle that comes with human relationships, romantic or platonic, There's going to be a proportion of people that actually choose that outcome.
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And I wonder what's going to happen to birth rates in such a scenario, because we're already struggling. We're already in a situation where we used to be having five children per woman in the 1950s to about two in 2021. And we're seeing a decline. If you look at South Korea, their fertility rate has fallen to 0.72, the lowest recorded globally.
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And if this trend continues, the country's population could half by 2,100. So yeah, relationships, connections. And also, I guess we've got to overlay that with the loneliness epidemic, which is They promised us social connection when social media came about. When we got Wi-Fi connections, the promise was that we would become more connected.
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But it's so clear that because we spend so long alone, isolated, having our needs met by Uber Eats drivers and social media and TikTok and the internet, that we're investing less in the very difficult thing of like going and making a friend and like going and finding a girlfriend. Young people are having sex less than ever before.
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Everything that is associated with the difficult job of making friends in real life connection seems to be falling away.
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I was going to say smaller classrooms and personalization.
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You spend much of your life teaching people in universities.
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Well, you're all – Fathers here you will have your own children. So it's a good question. Yeah you How are your kids?
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Wouldn't that be the most... Successful AI, the one that plays with my dopamine the most.
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And what part of it do you find sad?
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Brett, give us a little bit of your background, but also I saw you writing some notes there. There was a couple of words used there that I thought were quite interesting, especially considering what I know about you. The word God was used a few times.
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Amjad, I heard you say a second ago that what we should be talking about is how we deal with job displacement. Do you have any theories? If you were prime minister or president of the world, And your job was to deal with job displacement, let's just say in the United States. How would you go about that?
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Interesting.
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But you have the power at any moment, if you're having a bad day, to do something not so pleasant to that cat. And it can't really reciprocate that.
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you might want to move house and the landlord doesn't allow cats, so you've got a decision to make.
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What do the Amish do for anyone that doesn't know?
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I do want to also propose or ask the question, when we talk about our hyper-changing world, isn't it harder for older people to learn because of the way that the brain works in terms of processing speed and memory flexibility?
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So I was wondering if you're going to get a situation where like my father, because of his brain and the reduced memory flexibility and processing speed that happens when you're older, is going to struggle significantly more than my niece who can seem to learn. I mean, my niece knows five languages and she's seven. Wow.
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or something crazy like that i have languages but i mean the brain is much more plastic isn't it so the it's and that goes back to our evolutionary psychology which you know much evolutionary history which you know much more than i do about of we're meant to learn our lessons when we're young use that information for a lifetime but if that information is changing quickly
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Thin the herd.
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Right. I've heard you talk about the five key concerns you have or the five key threats you have before. Could you name those five?
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Um, so anyway, I call this, we deal with this a lot, by the way, I think every single week, every single week I send to my, I have a chat people that just are now basically spending, I'd say 30% of their time dealing with deep fakes of me doing crypto scams, inviting people to telegram groups, and then asking them for credit card details. We had one on X. I think you probably saw it done.
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Didn't you have me? But someone was running deepfake ads on X of me. And it wasn't just one ad. It was like swatting flies. There was 10 of them. And I messaged them to X. And then there was 10 more. Then the day after, there was 10 more. Then the day after, there was 10 more. Then it started happening on Meta.
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So it's a video of me basically asking you to come to a Telegram group where people are being scammed and audience members of mine are being scammed. And when I send them to Meta, they thankfully remove them. But then there's five more. So I went on LinkedIn yesterday, and my DMs are, Steve, by the way, there's this new scam.
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Actually, at this point, I'd need someone full-time just sending this over to Meta.
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My least favorite one's when the single mother messages me saying that she just paid 500 pounds of her money and how devastated she is. And I feel this moral obligation to give her her money back because she's fallen for some kind of scam. That was me. It was my voice. It was a video of me telling her something. Yeah.
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Andrew, are you implying there that AI will protect us from AI, i.e. the woman that got scammed in my audience, the platforms would have a tool built in which would be able to identify shortly that that is not me? And the ad has been launched by someone in another country potentially.
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And then also when she starts being asked for her credit card details in such a way on Telegram 10 minutes later, the system will be able to understand there that this is probably a scam at that touchpoint too. And it will also be the defense, not just the offense.
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Yes. Yes.
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What are you excited about with AI? What's your optimistic take? Because at the start of this conversation, you said that there's infinite ways that it could improve our lives, and there's 10 times more ways that it could hurt our lives. But let's investigate some of those ways that it could drastically improve our lives.
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Dan, what are you excited about with AI, from an individual level, but also from a societal level?
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And what would you say to entrepreneurs? I know you work with thousands of entrepreneurs. What are you telling them in terms of their current businesses or business opportunities that you're foreseeing?
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In such a world where you have this sort of infinite leverage, but everyone else has access to the same infinite leverage, what becomes the USP? Going back to this idea of the moat, like what is the thing of value when we've all got access to $20 infinite leverage?
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We are so screwed.
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For the base case, you did one day of usage. Let's say it's a dollar.
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It costs you, and it costs you minutes and a dollar now, and we're at the start of the S-curve.
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And the most popular question you send me, I'm going to text it to 100 CEOs, some of which are the top CEOs in the world running $100 billion companies. And then I'm going to reply to you via email with how they answered that question. You might say, how do you hold on to a relationship when you're building a startup?
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Just by being in that location. Dan, just to confirm that, Iran has implemented a comprehensive surveillance system to enforce its mandatory hijab laws utilizing various technologies, one of which is cameras and facial recognition. So they've put cameras in public spaces to identify women who are not adhering to the hijab dress code.
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It gets a little bit worse in Iran because they have this new app called the Nizar app, where the government has introduced the Nizar mobile application, which allows you as a citizen to report another citizen who is not wearing their hijab. And it logs their location, the time when they weren't wearing it, and the vehicle license plate.
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With the crowdsourced data, it can then go after that individual.
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I had Mustafa Suleiman on the podcast in 2023 when all of this stuff started kicking off. And he is the CEO of Microsoft AI. You're familiar with Mustafa? Of course, yeah. And one of the things he said to me at the time was, one of my fears is a tiny group of people who wish to cause harm are going to have access to tools that can instantly destabilize our world. That's the challenge.
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How to stop something that can cause harm or potentially kill. That's where we need containment. And it sounds a little bit like what you're saying. Amjad, that we will now have these tools. You were talking in the context of the military, but as Brett said, there are even smaller groups of people that might have been, I don't know, cartels or gangs can do similar harm.
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And at the moment, in terms of autonomous weapons, both the US and China are investing heavily in AI-powered weapons, autonomous drones and cyber warfare, because they're scared of the other one getting it first. And we talked about how much of our lives run on the internet, but cyber weapons are
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And cyber AI agents that could be deployed to take down China's X, Y, or Z, or vice versa, are of real concern. Yep.
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I did ask him this question and I remember the answer because it was such a stark moment for me. I said to Mustafa, do you think it's possible to contain it? And he replied, we must. So I asked him again, I said, do you think it's possible to contain it? And he replied, we must. And I asked him again, I said, do you think it's possible?
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Are you scared of anything else or concerned about anything else as it relates to AI outside of autonomous weapons?
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I want to get everyone's closing thoughts and closing remarks.
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And hopefully in your closing remarks, you can capture something actionable for the individual that's listening to this now on their commute to work or the single mother, the average person who maybe isn't as technologically advanced as many of us at this table, but is trying to navigate through this to figure out how to live a good life over the next 10, 20, 30 years.
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I think as long as you need.
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I'm thinking a lot, Amjad, as Daniel's speaking about the vast application of AI agents and where are the bounds? Because if this thing is going to get incrementally smarter, well, incrementally might be an understatement, it's going to get incredibly smart, incredibly quick. And we're seeing this AI race where all of these large language models are competing for intelligence with one another.
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Thank you so much to everybody for being here. I've learned a lot and I've developed my thinking, which is much the reason why I wanted to bring us all together, because I know you all have different experiences, different backgrounds in education. You're doing different things, but together it helps me sort of pass through all of these ideas to figure out where I land.
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And I ask a lot of questions, but I am actually a believer in humans. I was thinking about this a second ago. I was thinking, am I optimistic about humans' ability to navigate this just because I have no other choice? Because as you said, the alternative actually isn't worth thinking about.
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And so I do have a optimism towards how I think we're going to navigate this, in part because we're having these kinds of conversations. And we, in history, haven't always had them at the birth of a new revolution. When we think about social media and the implications that had, we're playing catch up with the downstream consequences. And I am hopeful. Maybe that's the entrepreneur in me.
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I'm excited. Maybe that's also the entrepreneur in me. But at the same time, to many of the points Brett's raised and Amjad's raised and Dan's raised, there are serious considerations as we swim from one island to another. And because of the speed and scale of this transformation that Brett highlights, it's
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And you look at the stats of the growth of this technology and how it's spreading like wildfire and how once I tried Replit, I walked straight out and I told Cozy, immediately I was like, Cozy, try this. And she was on it and she was hooked. And then I called my girlfriend in Bali, who's the breathwork practitioner. And I was like, type this into your browser, R-E-P-L-I-T.
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And then she's making these breathwork schedules with all of her clients' information ahead of the retreat she's about to do. It's spreading like wildfire because we're internet native. Mm-hmm. We were native to this technology. So it's not a new technology. It's something on top of something that's intuitive to us.
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So that transition, as Brett describes it, from one peak to the other or one island to another, I think is going to be incredibly destabilizing. And having interviewed so many leaders in this space, from Reid Hoffman, who's the founder of LinkedIn, to the CEO of Google, to Mustafa, who I mentioned,
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They don't agree on much, but the thing that they all agree on and that Sam Altman agrees on is that the long-term future, the long-term way that our society functions is radically different. People squabble over the short term. They sometimes even squabble over the midterm or the timeline, but they all agree that that the future is going to look completely different.
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Amjad, thank you for doing what you're doing. We didn't get to spend a lot of time on it today, and this is typically what I do here. But your story is incredibly inspiring. Incredibly inspiring from where you came from, what you've done, what you're building.
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And you are democratizing and creating a level of playing field for entrepreneurs in Bangladesh to Cape Town to San Francisco to be able to turn their ideas into reality. And I do think, just on the surface, that that's such a wonderful thing that...
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I was born in Botswana in Africa and that I could have the same access to turn my imagination into something to change my life because of the work that you're doing at Replit. And I highly recommend everybody go check it out.
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You probably won't sleep that night because it's so, for someone like me, it was so addictive to get to be able to do that because it's been a barrier to creation my whole life. I've always had to call someone to build something. Dan, thank you again so much because you represent the voice of entrepreneurs and you've really become a titan as a thought leader for entrepreneurs in the UK.
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And if it's able to traverse the internet and click things and order things and write things and create things and all of our lives run off the internet today, what can't it do? It's going to be smarter than me. No doubt. It already is. And it's going to be able to take actions across the internet, which is pretty much where most of my professional life operates.
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And in perspective, that balance is incredibly important. So I really, really appreciate you being here as always. And you're a huge fan favorite of our show. And Brett, thank you a gazillion times over for being a human lens on complicated challenges.
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And you do it with a fearlessness that I think is imperative for us finding the truth in these kind of situations where some of us can run off with optimism and we can be hurtling towards the mousetrap because we love cheese. And I think you're an important counterbalance and voice in the world at this time. So thank all of you for being here. I really, really appreciate it. And we shall see.
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I find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of Spotify and Apple and our audio channels, the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button, wherever you're listening to this. I would like to make a deal with you.
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If you could do me that small favor and hit the follow button, wherever you're listening to this, that would mean the world to me. That is the only favor I will ever ask you. Thank you so much for your time.
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We are Theresa and Nemo. And that's why we switched to Shopify.
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It's like how I build my businesses. Even this podcast is an internet product at the end of the day. Because you can create, we've done experiments now, and I can show you the graphs on my phone to make AI podcasts. And they have, we've just managed to get it to have the same retention as the driver CEO. Now with the image generation model. Retention as in viewer retention?
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The percentage of people that get to one hour. Wow. Is the same now. So we can make the video. We can publish it.
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You can synthesize my voice. Sounds like me. So what is it going to be able to do? Mm-hmm. And can you give me the variety of use cases that the average person might not have intuitively conceived?