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Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

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Entrepreneurship or running a company is a series of micro headaches and problems and anxieties. Me, I'm addicted to eating that crap.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

GaryVee: From Earning $2 an Hour to Running a $350M Digital Empire | E77

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Thinking about this audience, let me throw a word out to answer your question. I believe one of the most powerful words in the world is maybe. And the reason I think the word maybe is powerful is if you fall in love and become addicted to it, it stops you from the word no. So I believe if I analyze my career that the word maybe that led to yeses and nos has been foundational for me.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

GaryVee: From Earning $2 an Hour to Running a $350M Digital Empire | E77

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I did not grow up a good student. I did not have a computer in my home my entire life. I was born and I went to college at 18 and I had never had a computer in my home. It was not part of our culture. We wouldn't have bought it and I'm also of the age where it wasn't required. I then saw the internet in 1995 for one second.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

GaryVee: From Earning $2 an Hour to Running a $350M Digital Empire | E77

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I watched a kid open a, now we're into the laptop era, so it was cool, or maybe it was desktop. Anyway, a kid goes on the internet, I heard cuckooch the first time, I was like, what was that? He's like, that's the phone line, like literally. And I watch him go on AOL, on different places, and I decide right then and there, right then and there, within the first 10 minutes,

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

GaryVee: From Earning $2 an Hour to Running a $350M Digital Empire | E77

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that this was going to change my life. Up until five minutes earlier, I always dreamed that I was gonna go help my dad and I was gonna open up the Toys R Us of wine stores, that I was gonna have 100 locations in the country. Within a moment's notice, I said, I'm gonna build this .com thing. I'm gonna build a store inside the computer.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

GaryVee: From Earning $2 an Hour to Running a $350M Digital Empire | E77

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I didn't even know what I was saying, but it was so crystal clear. And the answer is because the second he said, everybody come and see this thing, because it was like that. I mean, there was six guys hovering over him. It was that like profound. Everybody was in no culture. This is stupid. This is nerd stuff. I'm going to play basketball. And I was like, maybe. And I was not techie.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

GaryVee: From Earning $2 an Hour to Running a $350M Digital Empire | E77

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I still can't keyboard. Thank God there's this. I will tell you that moving our ads from print to Google, me getting in front of a camera at 30 years old and doing a wine show, me taking my life savings and investing it in Facebook and Twitter, me live shopping on social today, Web3, me buying Bitcoin in 2014, 15, like everything I've ever done has been because it's maybe. A lot of it fails.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

GaryVee: From Earning $2 an Hour to Running a $350M Digital Empire | E77

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But here's two things I do. One, I'm willing to play long. I'm willing to invest my time and learn to something I believe will be true in 10 years. So I'm investing. Two, I watch people. And I think too many people make decisions based on themselves. They say, I don't like social media because it's political or it's bad for the kids. So I won't take my dress shop and put it on social.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

GaryVee: From Earning $2 an Hour to Running a $350M Digital Empire | E77

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I don't like social media. But I don't like anything. I just, as a business person, when I put on my business hat, I like nothing, and I watch what consumers like, and then I bring value within it. And so, how did I know? I knew nothing about computers.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

GaryVee: From Earning $2 an Hour to Running a $350M Digital Empire | E77

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I had heard about the worldwide, like to your point, there was like an article or two, I had heard of it, so it wasn't like I didn't know what was happening, I knew it was like that thing, But the first moments of my relationship with the internet, I was coming in with maybe, and that led me to that evening.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

GaryVee: From Earning $2 an Hour to Running a $350M Digital Empire | E77

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I finally got my chance to go on the computer like three hours later, because everybody got like 30 minute chances. And that night, I found a message board where people sold baseball cards.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

GaryVee: From Earning $2 an Hour to Running a $350M Digital Empire | E77

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ideology and not understanding nuance. Let me explain what I mean by why I just said that. Personal brand. When the term first started hitting the scene in 2009, 10, 11, 12, I was at the forefront of making awareness for it. People thought it was yucky, right? Because I understand that self-promotion when out of whack is not good. And being respectful and behind the scenes, there was merit.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

GaryVee: From Earning $2 an Hour to Running a $350M Digital Empire | E77

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I remember in 2009, 10, 11, 12, when people would get into a debate with me at a bar or like at a conference or like in the halls of a conference or at a table or in a meeting. And I would literally say, and this is where I'm going with nuance. I would say, okay, personal brand. Let me say it a different way. Reputation. Completely melted the anger.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

GaryVee: From Earning $2 an Hour to Running a $350M Digital Empire | E77

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People got so caught up in the semantics of the word. Why is cancel culture on its back foot right now? Because we can't fight on semantics of words. We have to interpret intent. When I said to everybody back then, build your personal brand, the intent was to do good by both the company and yourself, but for real talk, it was to protect protection and give you optionality.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

GaryVee: From Earning $2 an Hour to Running a $350M Digital Empire | E77

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The amount of people that built their personal brands in 2008 after I wrote Crush It, that book all there in the corner.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

GaryVee: From Earning $2 an Hour to Running a $350M Digital Empire | E77

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The amount of emails I got in 2010 from people that literally titled, I love you. It was a wave of love in 2010, 11 for me. Here's why. many people started losing their jobs when the economy got tighter, but because they built their personal brand, they were able to get jobs immediately and they saw that people that weren't on Twitter and Facebook at the time and LinkedIn did not.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

GaryVee: From Earning $2 an Hour to Running a $350M Digital Empire | E77

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And they thanked me and they thanked me and they thanked me and I sit here today in 2025 and I implore everyone, Listen, I always am fascinated that I was one of the Pied Pipers because I have an extreme personality. It's very high, it's very excitable, and it doesn't work for a lot of people. Don't look at how I communicate. Find your own way, right? You don't have to dress down.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

GaryVee: From Earning $2 an Hour to Running a $350M Digital Empire | E77

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If you find me on the internet, I curse a lot. You can see I get excited sometimes I jump in and cut off. There's a lot of things that won't work for you. But what works for you?

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

GaryVee: From Earning $2 an Hour to Running a $350M Digital Empire | E77

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That's right. You can wear a suit and be articulate and be respectful and talk slow and whatever. Just get your ideas into the world. There's no downside. It is honestly the only insurance policy you've got.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

GaryVee: From Earning $2 an Hour to Running a $350M Digital Empire | E77

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It's almost like the reverse. It's funny when you just said why, the answer that bounced in my head is why not? Meaning I had no choice. I cannot explain in any other way than I'm about to why entrepreneurship was my life.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

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And again, those are marketing terms. And I'll say it again, because I love the mission of Leap and what you're doing. Reputation. If you're good or you know something, or you've done something for a long time, why wouldn't you want as many people to know it as possible? You are literally one video away.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

GaryVee: From Earning $2 an Hour to Running a $350M Digital Empire | E77

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For this crew, everybody here is one video away posted on LinkedIn from getting so many things they dream. Do you know how many people missed out on a promotion and somebody else got it and they're upset and angry? But they're golden handcuffed. They can't leave the job. If they make a post, not... No, no, I want everybody to hear this. Not bashing their company.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

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No, no, let's say they're in SaaS software sales. If they make a video and say, I'm Johnny, and let me just talk to you about the industry as a whole. Here's some three tips I've learned in 20 years of SaaS salesmanship. A CEO of a SaaS company might see that and be like, wait, I like Johnny. Let me DM him and say, do you want a job?

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

GaryVee: From Earning $2 an Hour to Running a $350M Digital Empire | E77

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I mean, all of this is back to what I said earlier, which is ideology. Some people feel that them putting themselves out there isn't respectful, isn't classy, or even worse, they're insecure and they're scared what people are going to say about how they look or that somebody says they're dumb and then they stop.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

GaryVee: From Earning $2 an Hour to Running a $350M Digital Empire | E77

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The amount of people that have listened to my content for 15 years started and then stopped within a week Because somebody said they're ugly or they're stupid or who do you think you are? And I remind everybody who's watching this, you left high school. High school is over. Getting made fun of cannot stop you from building your life and I implore you to do that.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

GaryVee: From Earning $2 an Hour to Running a $350M Digital Empire | E77

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Me gravitating towards entrepreneurship when I was six with lemonade or when it would snow instead of, you know, I would play a little bit, but if there was two snow days in a row, it was impossible that I was sledding, snowball fighting, playing football in the snow and making a snowman. One of those two days, I was ringing doorbells, shoveling snow.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

GaryVee: From Earning $2 an Hour to Running a $350M Digital Empire | E77

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If you're one of the people that is crippled by that, me sitting here on this podcast and unwinding parenting and circumstances that have led to insecurity is gonna be incredibly challenging. So that's the real answer. The real answer is everybody here needs more actual self-esteem to be able to combat it.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

GaryVee: From Earning $2 an Hour to Running a $350M Digital Empire | E77

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You know, a lot of parents are like, social media's bad, I'm gonna take the app off the phone. Fine. Good. Allowed. I get it. And I think moderation matters. Comma, you're not going to protect your child from real life. Like real life happens. What you really need to do is build self-esteem so that they have the strength to make good choices. Give them tools to cope with it.

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What are we doing here? So what I would say to everybody is if you're a grown up and you're still a child, meaning you're insecure, here's a series of questions that work for me. Do you really want your entire life's happiness to be predicated on Johnny Pants 473 saying that you're like, you know, this is why we all laugh. You know, it's why everyone's giggling behind the camera.

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I don't know what else to tell you. I believe, and I hope you agree with me, that it is incredibly ridiculous to let your life be dictated by an anonymous person on the internet, and we collectively as eight billion people need to get over the hump. The reason I've been able to do so much and put myself out there is someone might be right.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

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You know, 50 people are like, this is silly, Gary, that you're doing this. They might actually be right. I could be wrong, I could be out of touch, I could be out of bounds, but here's the powerful word next. And so what? Everyone's a human being. Everybody makes mistakes.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

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Listen, when I'm on my last breaths or maybe when I first enter heaven and I have to give a, maybe we don't know what heaven is and maybe the opening line is like, all right, Gary, you're in heaven. You've got one minute to sum it up. I think my answer is going to be like, it's all just one big game of eliminating fear. If you're a leader right now and you're a CEO, what's your job?

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

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Number one, the elimination of fear. If you're a parent right now, the elimination of fear. This is why I'm so mad at mainstream media. Social media that gets a lot of rub from mainstream media has enormous amounts of fear. It also has enormous amounts of hope and love. Regular media has just fear. I'm struggling because I'm clicking the channels. Show me the optimism. Show me the offense.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

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Show me the smiles. I can't find it. And so... It's just fear. You want to sum up Leap from my perspective watching from afar? Yeah. You are empowering people to chip away at their fears.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

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Because ultimately, I hope everybody heard me. And so what? Let me tell you the thing I fear the most. Back to building blocks on this topic. Regret. Regret scares the crap out of me. So why do I do things that might not work out? Is because I don't want to regret. I'd rather die on my own sword than someone else's.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

GaryVee: From Earning $2 an Hour to Running a $350M Digital Empire | E77

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Do you know how many people have taken the advice of their parents or friends or a colleague or their spouse and did something against what they thought they wanted to do and then it fails and they double lose? Because it failed and now they're pissed that they knew they should have done the store instead of the online thing or red instead of black or whatever it is. Die on your own sword.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

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And now they're in blame. Listen, if you're a blamer or a complainer, I can give you a direct correlation. I know what you're going to say. I mean, if you're one of those two things, and by the way, everybody, please pay attention to who listens to your blaming and complaining. The only people on earth that will listen to a complainer and a blamer are two groups.

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washing cars, trading cards, and everything I've done in my career, the only way I can explain it is, if I was to ask everybody on the other camera right now, why do you breathe oxygen? Why do you guys breathe oxygen?

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One, other losing players that blame and complain and you're just in one big circle of complaining and enabling each other and the occasional parent that's an enabler of your bad behavior, right? Or a sibling or someone who loves you, who's just enabling you, they love you. Please audit your circle and pay attention to who listens because I promise you, let me tell you who's not around.

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friends and acquaintances and coworkers that you used to have who are positive and on the offense, and they've weaned you out.

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This goes back to New York City. Let's talk about America. We just had an election. You know, it's been very, Israel, like the world is very contentious. But I say this all the time. I'm now of the age where whether a Republican or Democrat has won, I have an entire group of friends who say, well, if George Bush wins, I'm out of here. Well, if Obama wins, I'm out of here.

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Well, if Trump wins, I'm out of here. Well, if Biden wins, I'm out of here. I've had that now for 15 years. So far, no one's left, first of all. That's the news. But more importantly, when I have those dinners with people, I say good. I said, good news. If you don't like it, you can move to Sweden. Great news. Kenya is amazing. Knock yourself out and that goes into blame and complaining.

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You don't like your job? Get another job. Oh, by the way, if you listen to me 15 minutes earlier and make a lot of LinkedIn content, you'll get another job. You are actually in control and anybody that tells you you're not, a parent, a government, anything that does make you feel like you're not in control is a poison.

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And not every entrepreneur is a terrible student. But I was. And I think there isn't reason. I believe that I was willing to die on the hill of entrepreneurship.

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I mean, really, this is 43 years in the making. Literally, lemonade stands and baseball cards led to where I am today. I mean, the hard moments, let me give you a different counterpoint to your point that people think people got lucky or it's overnight success. I'm gonna say very real truth.

Leap Academy with Ilana Golan

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I would argue that entrepreneurship or running a company is a series of micro headaches and problems and anxieties with the occasional micro wins or macro wins, or if you go out of business, the ultimate macro loss. I would argue that when you're number one, I always say this to a lot of friends, I'm like, if you have it in you to be a number two, Go for it.

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I lay at night sometimes and I'm like, man, I wish I was number two. You don't get all the financial upside, but you get a nice little something. And boy, you get none of what I'm about to say, which is, again, I can only explain this to people who are now parents, but are not owners of company.

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When you become a parent, something weird happens where you realize, wait a minute, this little thing, this kid, I'm responsible. I'm the last line of defense.

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for the over 2,000 employees I have globally, when there's a leak in the roof in Thailand, and this is real stuff I'm not talking about, of course there's people that handle that, but if it gets, the fires in LA, I'm deeply have to be involved with that. We have employees that lost their homes. Nobody's allowed to write a check to buy somebody a new home without me.

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Can't do that, but I can if I want to, if I can afford it. When last year, hard times, for me it's all that these employees, they're not my children, but they're definitely not strangers. So when four employees go to summer vacation in my Asia office to take a trip all together and get into a car accident and one of them dies, it destroys me.

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I could not... think about anything else, and I was willing to face the ramifications, which at that time meant that I would be grounded multiple times a year by my mother. This is real, and by the way, I used to get very aggressive anxiety come report card number one time because I knew I was walking into a firing squad. I was going to be punted. This is like clockwork.

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I don't know what I'm doing.

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I would be punished three times a year, because my mom kind of let me go for the summer. Three times a year, I would be grounded for two weeks with no television, no video games, and no friends. And it was devastating. And yet, even with that, I was not willing to get C's, which in hindsight, I feel I was very capable of doing.

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because I needed every minute to study my baseball cards, to sell my baseball cards, to sell pencils, to sell gum, to think of a business idea, to make a movie, to make a song, to sell. I was creative to sell it. Me and my buddies, let's make a rap song in 86 when it was hot. Why did I do that? So we could sell the tapes. It was business.

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I think from a genetic standpoint, but to be honest, my father worked every minute. I never saw my father. It wasn't like my father was at dinner, you know, like how some entrepreneurial parents are like teaching their kids. Like I am with my son specifically. I didn't have those kind of talks with my dad.

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entrepreneurship was my life. Me getting in front of a camera at 30 years old, me taking my life savings and investing it in Facebook and Twitter, me buying Bitcoin in 2014, 15.

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I was aware that my dad went from being a stock boy to being a manager at a liquor store to eventually being a partner and owner in a liquor store. First of all, the word entrepreneur didn't exist, as we know. He had a business. I did not make the connection in my youth, even into my teens, that my spirit was tied into it.

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So I don't know if I was affected by him doing it, but I do feel I was affected by him giving me that entrepreneurial DNA, of course.

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Timing, like I was born in the Soviet Union. We got out with political asylum. And we were able to come to the US in 78. Jimmy Carter just passed, and a lot of people talk about his incredible life, and he was an incredible man. But the economy during his tenure was quite weak. I mean, we land in America. My parents here in Russia, the Soviet Union, that America, the streets are paved with gold.

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Well, we go to the hood of Queens, at a time where people can't get gas. You know, so it was a rude awakening, but the promise was true, which was, no, the streets were not paved with gold, but the American dream was alive and well in 78. And to remind everybody right now, it is alive and well now. The opportunity is extraordinary by most standards. And, um,

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If you put in hard work as a foundation and then you have good strategy and serendipity and some fortunes, have the ball bounce your way, there's real opportunity. And I won the parenting lottery. My father, We had nothing. And it was important for my father that my mom stayed home and raised us. So he supported on his back 15 hours a day, that reality.

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The reason I've been able to do so much and put myself out there is the amount of people that have listened to my content for 15 years started and then stopped within a week because somebody said they're ugly or they're stupid. High school is over. Getting made fun of cannot stop you from building your life

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And then lucky for me, that mother ended up being the best mother of all time and parented me in a way that makes all the accolades and all the kind words things that are said about me, very easy for me to stay humble because when I hear them, I don't think that I did it. I think I'm the byproduct of Sasha and Tamara Vaynerchuk and that makes me happy.

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So one of my favorite sayings is, and this is huge for parents. I have two children. Some of us who are watching this grew up with very little and now have more than they could have imagined or at least enough to do a lot of things. One of my favorite sayings to tell a lot of my wealthy friends that are parents now, and I have this conversation a lot, a lot of people connect.

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I think it's a very connection point when parents grew up with little and now have a lot. They're always stressed about this question. My number one belief in this is you cannot be hungry when you're fed.

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And I believe in it. And what it's meant to say to my friends, my new friends that are watching right now or listening, is look, you can't fake environment. If you live in a bougie neighborhood and you fly private, like your kids are living in that environment, you can't be like, well, you should be more hungry. Well, that's hard. So I think there's a couple things to think about.

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One, what do we as parents and human beings value? I, for example, do not value my children being overly financially successful. And that is not because I have and I think they'll have. I'm not even sure I'm gonna give them anything. It's because I have now lived 49 years and I've got very fortunate. The first half of my life, I lived in environments that were lower and sometimes middle class.

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The last 10, 15 years of my life, I've been around extreme wealth. And I can sit here, whether one wants to believe it or not, and I can, without any concern, with quite ease, you know where I'm about to go, tell you there is no correlation of financial success with actual joy.

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I know right now, I can look through my phone from A to Z, and I would never do this, but I could rattle off to the audience right now, not dozens, hundreds of human beings that I personally know who have tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars in their bank account, and are borderline suicidal, are drug addicts, are deeply depressed, are anxious.

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Me, I'm one lousy human, and I can give you 50 to 60, easy, probably 100 right now, that I know, right this second. I think there's an incredible misconception. I believe it is one of human beings' biggest flaws that they have bought into this baloney. So for me, what I would say is, look, I don't want my kids to be lazy bums, but I want my kids to be passionate. Happy, yes, of course.

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Fulfilled, joyous, passionate. Like, if you get up in the morning and you're fired up, Whether you make 40K, look, if you make $45,000 a year, as long as you live a $45,000 a year lifestyle, you could be good. And I'm not naive to the hardships of it, but again, you don't need to live in New York City.

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I love when everyone's like, you know, making 100K in New York City, you can't even live a lifestyle. I'm like, leave New York City. Do you like that? Like, I love accountability. Accountability is my addiction. If you can't, I don't know, like I was just in Montana. Do you know how many happy people live in rural areas where cost of living is different?

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And by the way, don't even get me started on, it's 2025 right now. People can have remote jobs. People can Zoom into every meeting. And you also don't have to, if you're complaining about money, you also don't have to buy $7 cups of coffee from Starbucks three times a day. Right. Like people don't know how to manage their money. People live above their means. I know millionaires that are broke.

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People that earn five, six, seven, 800, 2 million a year, but they spend more. So there's money management issues. The credit card created a huge pandemic.

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Liquor at the time. Shoppers Discount Liquors was the name of the store.

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It was terrible year one. 14 to 15 weekends and summers was devastating because I was making a lot of money, hundreds of dollars a weekend selling baseball cards and being my own boss. And by the way, having thousands of dollars consistently when you're 14 in 1988, 89, I'm not sure I'll ever be wealthier than I was back then because I at one point had $10,000 and that was like 40 billion now.

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I didn't even know how to spend it back to like the thing you said earlier. And now all of a sudden, I'm cruising, I'm the man, I'm feeling good and my dad walks in and goes, you're coming to the store. I'm like, which store? The store. And now I have to work for two bucks an hour I thought it was five. No, 505 was minimum wage. My dad paid me under the table cash, two bucks an hour.

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Family business, immigrant vibes. He made two bucks an hour when he started, so I have to. I was like, yeah, but dad, that was 1978. It's 1990, you know, 1990. Nope, doesn't matter. Two bucks an hour, and I'm doing hard labor. I am bagging ice from an ice machine for hours. Or, finally, a little bit, a couple months in or a year in, I'm allowed to stock the shelves. That was my promotion.

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Like, I'm a 14-year-old kid, and by the way, no thought on all the things we think about now. I'm carrying huge cases of alcohol, hurting my back. I mean, I had a bad back my whole life because of this. Stocking shelves for 12 hours a day, back to before we started filming, lunch, water. Yeah. Didn't eat lunch. It was immigrant 101. Son of a merchant. 1930s Brooklyn life. That's what I was living.

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And the first year, I hated it. The second year, though, something miraculous happened. A gentleman walks in, asks for a wine. I remember it like yesterday. Caymus Special Select Cabernet from Napa Valley. He said, do you have it? I said, no, I might be able to get it. I go, how many would you like? This is blurry, but he said a lot. So he said three or four cases, which that seemed like a lot.

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I say, are you having a party? He goes, no, I collect wine. Do you know those moments in your life where like the fees part? Yeah. I was already passionate about helping my family. I was an immigrant. So like me putting in those 15 hours, I felt like I was contributing to our family getting out of, you know, I felt proud about that. I wanted to help.

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And I thought I was a good businessman already as a kid. I wanted to help my dad. I was still scared of my dad and couldn't share my ideas yet. But I didn't like what my dad sold. My mom, because of all the alcoholism in Russia, demonized alcohol. I didn't drink alcohol until I was 21 years old, which is wild. My family had a liquor store my whole life.

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I went to college like every other normal kid in high school and did not drink, did not have a beer until I was 21 years old because my mom scared me so much. Nancy Reagan, drugs. I still to this day have never smoked anything or done a drug in my life. So very, very much had a mother that was passionate about that subject.

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It wasn't cool to me like other high school kids of selling Budweiser or Crown Royal. Like I didn't think it was cool and it was boring compared to sports cards, but collecting because I was into collecting sports cards. So I took all my energy of knowing everything about baseball cards, reading the Beckett, and I took it to wine.

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I was going to learn everything about wine because people collect it. And I read the Wine Spectator now instead of the Beckett baseball card guide. And that changed it. And so how was it? Horrible year one. It's been nirvana ever since. You know, from that moment on, I just became incredibly educated about wine. By the time I was 18, I knew everything on paper. I didn't taste yet.

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You know, it's funny. I just turned 49 in November. And, you know, my parents are 72 and 70, so still young, thank God. But I'm not 20 anymore either. and I'm gonna be 50 this year. That makes you think about stuff. Those are fun things to think about. And I also think I'm gonna live to 100. That's always been important to me. And I believe in it and I live my life based on that will be true.

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And I feel like I'm at halftime, just like a good sporting event. You go into halftime and you reflect on the first half and try to adjust. I will tell you, and I've said this for a long time, building my father's business for him. And that's what happened.

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Just to give the punchline to everybody who doesn't know, I built my dad's business from four to $60 million in a very short window and changed my dad's life. But I didn't own it. And I also didn't get paid much because that's how immigrants do it. So I had to leave at 34 to start my own life. I gave up 22 to 34, 100 hours a week to build a business for my parents.

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I'm so happy to be a part of this.

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As you can imagine, when I left, there was levels of resentment that were real. I worked all this stuff. I was the driving force and I've got nothing to show for it. And now I have to build my life all over again financially. 15 years later, it's the best decision I ever made in my life. Giving that contribution to my parents, who I give credit to everything, feels incredibly appropriate.

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And I'm really glad I did it.

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Yeah, it's knowing what you have and knowing what it's worth. Those are the two pillars that we kind of go off of. And it's technology, so it's never done. It's never completed. But I mean, really, that's what we want to be. We don't want to be an authority in anything. What we want to be is we want to be an information tool to help people enjoy this industry and this hobby.

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I think VFriends is probably going to end up being the biggest business I ever built. You know, I feel like it's a very substantial intellectual property, collectible business. I think the characters represent the things I most care about in the world. So I think these 250 characters are going to allow me to extend all these things I want the world to know about.

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I've done a lot as a human and put myself on the map, but I'm not going to reach all 8 billion people. Meanwhile... A V Friends cartoon that talks about tenacity and hustle and kindness can be dubbed in Italian and be running on Netflix Italy in five years, and I'll be accomplishing the same ambition, which is my whole life has been about really a framework of selfish and selfless behavior, right?

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Selfishly, I'm an entrepreneur. I want to build things for me and my family. I think I'm allowed. I think you're allowed. I think everyone's allowed. However, I do like leaving a positive impact. I get pumped when entrepreneurs come up to me that basically make more money than me taking my learnings and applying them. I'm like, good for you. That makes me happy. That doesn't make me unhappy.

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I told my brother that I thought Tumblr was going to be bigger than Facebook and Twitter. I went Twitter, Facebook, Tumblr in my investing. Those are the first three companies I invested in, in my life. Out of a liquor store in New Jersey. It's like funny. It's like, I'm like, you can see I'm laughing at myself. It's so improbable. Like it's absurd. Comma.

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I thought Tumblr was gonna be the biggest because of this conversation. It just took 15 years for it to happen. Again, everybody, social media for the first decade plus was very simple. It was like email marketing. You would get as many people to follow you as possible and then you would post and a percentage of those people would see it. That was the game.

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And that was easy for me to figure out because I did email marketing in 97, 98, 99 when that was like new and I was a big winner in that game. That was underpriced attention. I was competing against liquor stores that were making catalogs, but I was getting to the customer for free instead of how much a catalog costs and getting to them faster. It was huge. It was foundational.

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So I saw the same thing in social. So I massed big followings. That was the focus. TikTokification of social media, like I talk about in the book. That interest graph algorithm is now going to eat up everything because it's better. It keeps you on the platform longer. Let's use common sense. You go to your Facebook. You're now 27. You went on Facebook at 18.

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The people you followed are people you met like one night hooking up or at a random party or whatever. And now you're seeing posts of them in Ohio with their aunt. And you're like, I don't give a fuck. But just like email, we don't unsubscribe people. from our fucking list. We just delete it or archive it. Like we don't put in the work to clean up our shit.

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So you kept seeing shit you didn't give a fuck about, which made you not spend four hours on it. It made you spend 14 minutes on your feed. Then you go to TikTok and you're seeing unlimited shit that you fuck with. And four hours later, you're like, what the fuck just happened?

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That's good for TikTok. That was bad for Facebook. Now all of them are going to be like TikTok. And every social network is going to have the for you page DNA in them for quite a while now. Maybe forever because it's more humanly true. That's what I focus on. And that's why focus on your niche is about to fuck up everyone.

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You're going to need to talk about more things than ever that are true to you because you're going to need that content to find more different audiences for you to be as big as you want to be.

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Think about how weird I am. The reason I know everybody from afar, especially in the game you're in, are like, what? garage sale videos. My grid has been fucked up for 12 years. And I was like, make a good grid. It's gotta be on brand. I'm like, you fucking have no idea what you're talking about. The grid is like 5% of the consumption. The feed is the whole game.

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So you go to my fucking thing, you're like, who is this? Jets video, garage sale, keynote, board meeting. Like I'm confusing the shit out of people because I don't care about the grid. I care about being as relevant to as many different people as humanly possible. Let's talk about viral. Sure. I'm going to use baseball. I know it's not as popular anymore, but it's the easiest one.

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Going viral is hitting a grand slam. Do you know anything about baseball? A little.

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You know what a strikeout is?

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Good. Most posts are a strikeout. Okay. Right? It doesn't do what you want it to do. I'm in the business of singles and doubles and triples with the occasional home run and grand slam, but could give a shit about hitting a grand slam. Or if you don't follow baseball, everyone, I won't use an analogy. I don't ever think about going viral. Ever.

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I only think about making good content that is valuable to the people on the other side. And that means that most of my stuff will consistently do solid. Occasionally do better than solid. And once in a while go viral. I believe that most people suck at social media because they try to go viral on every post. And when they don't, they cry to mommy.

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And posting as much as you can is also based on self-awareness of like, I start with like, do I have something to say that could bring someone value? Again, I need everybody to hear this. That comes in all shapes and sizes. I mean this. If you're funny and you do a skit like King Bach, that's value. You made somebody smile.

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And it's a fucked up world out there and the feeds are fucking negative and media is negative and like that little ha, ha, ha. If you're attractive, like people like looking at attractive people. If you know something about LinkedIn, that's valuable to the people that want LinkedIn. Like we all have value. If you know something about BMX or wine or sneaker, like value, value, value.

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I think people have niched themselves in a corner. What happens if you know a lot about sneakers and you know a lot about bourbon? Post both.

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Let me paint a quick picture for you. Say you're a drug dealer, right? And social media, by the way, I see the closest analogy is it's like a farm, right? And you got to plot a land on the farm. And the person who owns the farm is Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube. They own the farm and you are leasing a plot. Now, what's going on is when you create content, then...

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The product is your content. And they use that and they sell it. The only thing on social media, universally across all platforms, that is a universal currency is time. People buy time. The advertisers buy it from the farmer. And you're just the person who's volunteering to create, you know, to work the farm for them, which is, you know, amazing that they convinced us to do this.

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But so now that we've got this analogy where time is the monetizable product, it actually is money. It's bought and sold every single day, millions of times, billions of dollars.

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And when you understand this, then what you got to think is like, well, if I am buying and selling time, and that's the currency of social media, when someone watches a video, let's say they spend three minutes, they pay you three units of time. And what are you getting in return? What you got to give them is a dopamine hit because otherwise they will not get addicted. They won't come back.

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They won't feel like they got their money's worth. So if you say, hey, get over here, you know, spend three minutes with me and I'm going to give you a dopamine hit. They come, they pay their three minutes and you don't give it. Two things are going to happen. Number one, they're going to feel like, hey, you are a scumbag. And number two, I'm never coming back.

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And I might even tell people to avoid you. And that's what happens when the promise doesn't meet the delivery. So what you want to do is give them a dopamine. And I think another way to say this is aha moment. If you could get people like right now, I see you're nodding. I love that. When I see people nodding, I'm like, we're on the same page. They're having an aha moment here.

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And that transaction was successful. Very likely they'll come back. So you just got to deliver what you say you can deliver. If you say, I'm going to teach you the most mind blowing strategy to use ChatGPT that will earn me $12,000 in the next 30 days. And then you actually show screenshots and demonstrate it. That is a good fit.

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But if you say it and then give some general advice without showing anything that's actually believable, not a high chance that people will continue coming back. They'll be disappointed.

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It's the first time we can. You know, because for the first time ever, the creative is the variable of the reach. And that's marketing jargon, so let me say it again. For the first time ever, how good your picture or video is can lead to millions of people seeing it that never existed before. In the history of time, you'd have to be on television.

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We're on the biggest magazine or newspaper to ever get a million people in America or the world to know anything. And you'd have to spend millions of dollars for that. Now, every day, we all know, every day that happens to somebody. Now, what we've also learned is just because you go viral once doesn't mean you're going to be a billionaire.

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It usually means that you're going to have this moment that you refer to your whole life and you're actually going to be sad six months later because you weren't able to capitalize it. That goes into being a real entrepreneur. But for the first time ever, entrepreneurs, you have a fighting chance. Ember Chamberlain's coffee can compete with Folgers. Charlie D'Amelio's popcorn can compete.

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Logan Paul and KSI's energy drink is really competing. Mr. Beast's chocolate is really competing. And they're the preview, not the anomaly. I started a wine brand and sold it to Constellation for tens and tens of millions of dollars because I made organic content on the internet about wine and then started a wine brand. That will be a very normal occurrence for a long time.

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When I make content, sometimes I'm like, this piece of content that I'm going to make is going to hit 45 to 55-year-old first-time moms everywhere. on the coasts. More New York, LA mentality than London, than Ohio, than Spain. So if I know that I'm doing that, don't you think that my adjectives and analogies tone intent, right? So I want everyone who's listening to start thinking about cohorts.

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Gary, what do you mean? I just do sneaker content. Okay. Well, there's a lot of different niches within sneaker content. There's people of high net worth like myself who can afford bougie fucking Nike Air Force One collaborations. There's other people who just really like New Balance. There's the Reebok movement that I'm getting into as well. There's a lot going on.

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Crocs, if you want to expand it a little bit. Do you know who you're making this video for? Because everyone's going to Vanilla. I make content for entrepreneurs. I'm like, okay, knock yourself out. Imagine how much better a piece of content is that you know that you're going to make.

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I'm going to make content for first-generation Hispanic entrepreneurs that are 18 to 22 that came from immigrant parents that came from Mexico. I'm going to use analogies. I'm going to make reference to rigatón. I'm going to talk about San Antonio culture.

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It's called relevance, everyone. If you're not relevant to someone, the second I make a long-tail barstool joke, every barstool dude is like, fuck, yeah. Like, it's not super complicated. And so, because everyone gets so boring and vanilla right away. People say to me all the time, they're like, it's a really funny thing that I fuck people up with.

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Like, because I've been so consistent and growing and all this stuff. But then, like, sometimes they'll be like, but Gary, you say the same shit. I'm like, what do you want me to make up stuff I don't believe in? Mm-hmm.

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And then they go, like if they stick with me in that combo, they start to realize, ah, I say the same macro 15 things, but the way I say it differently and how and where and what and to whom, that's the game. So cohorts, these are consumer segmentations. In old television talk, it was, we're trying to reach the 18 to 35-year-old demo.

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I like to think, and I know I'm looking at your crew a lot because I like doing that. I like to think everyone in here is at a point in their lives where they realize an 18-year-old person and a 32-year-old person are very different. But that was television. You didn't have the internet. Now that we have the internet, Like everybody who's listening should be posting on Facebook. It's huge.

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Still, I'm getting 25, 30 year old audience on Facebook. Now they're on there like once in a blue moon compared to whatever. But like, like you should be relevant to Facebook audience. You should be relevant to TikTok audience. Snapchat's culture is slightly different than TikTok's. Like it's all different rooms out there and you want to be in every room.

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I told my brother that I thought Tumblr was going to be bigger than Facebook and Twitter. I went Twitter, Facebook, Tumblr in my investing. Those are the first three companies I invested in, in my life. Out of a liquor store in New Jersey. It's like funny. It's like, I'm like, you can see I'm laughing at myself. It's so improbable. Like it's absurd. Comma.

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I thought Tumblr was gonna be the biggest because of this conversation. It just took 15 years for it to happen. Again, everybody, social media for the first decade plus was very simple. It was like email marketing. You would get as many people to follow you as possible and then you would post and a percentage of those people would see it. That was the game.

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And that was easy for me to figure out because I did email marketing in 97, 98, 99 when that was like new and I was a big winner in that game. That was underpriced attention. I was competing against liquor stores that were making catalogs, but I was getting to the customer for free instead of how much a catalog costs and getting to them faster. It was huge. It was foundational.

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So I saw the same thing in social. So I massed big followings. That was the focus. TikTokification of social media, like I talk about in the book. That interest graph algorithm is now going to eat up everything because it's better. It keeps you on the platform longer. Let's use common sense. You go to your Facebook. You're now 27. You went on Facebook at 18.

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The people you followed are people you met like one night hooking up or at a random party or whatever. And now you're seeing posts of them in Ohio with their aunt. And you're like, I don't give a fuck. But just like email, we don't unsubscribe people. from our fucking list. We just delete it or archive it. Like we don't put in the work to clean up our shit.

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So you kept seeing shit you didn't give a fuck about, which made you not spend four hours on it. It made you spend 14 minutes on your feed. Then you go to TikTok and you're seeing unlimited shit that you fuck with. And four hours later, you're like, what the fuck just happened?

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That's good for TikTok. That was bad for Facebook. Now all of them are going to be like TikTok. And every social network is going to have the for you page DNA in them for quite a while now. Maybe forever because it's more humanly true. That's what I focus on. And that's why focus on your niche is about to fuck up everyone.

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You're going to need to talk about more things than ever that are true to you because you're going to need that content to find more different audiences for you to be as big as you want to be.

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Think about how weird I am. The reason I know everybody from afar, especially in the game you're in, are like, what? garage sale videos. My grid has been fucked up for 12 years. And I was like, make a good grid. It's gotta be on brand. I'm like, you fucking have no idea what you're talking about. The grid is like 5% of the consumption. The feed is the whole game.

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So you go to my fucking thing, you're like, who is this? Jets video, garage sale, keynote, board meeting. Like I'm confusing the shit out of people because I don't care about the grid. I care about being as relevant to as many different people as humanly possible. Let's talk about viral. Sure. I'm going to use baseball. I know it's not as popular anymore, but it's the easiest one.

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Going viral is hitting a grand slam. Do you know anything about baseball? A little.

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You know what a strikeout is?

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Good. Most posts are a strikeout. Okay. Right? It doesn't do what you want it to do. I'm in the business of singles and doubles and triples with the occasional home run and grand slam, but could give a shit about hitting a grand slam. Or if you don't follow baseball, everyone, I won't use an analogy. I don't ever think about going viral. Ever.

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I only think about making good content that is valuable to the people on the other side. And that means that most of my stuff will consistently do solid. Occasionally do better than solid. And once in a while go viral. I believe that most people suck at social media because they try to go viral on every post. And when they don't, they cry to mommy.

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And posting as much as you can is also based on self-awareness of like, I start with like, do I have something to say that could bring someone value? Again, I need everybody to hear this. That comes in all shapes and sizes. I mean this. If you're funny and you do a skit like King Bach, that's value. You made somebody smile.

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And it's a fucked up world out there and the feeds are fucking negative and media is negative and like that little ha, ha, ha. If you're attractive, like people like looking at attractive people. If you know something about LinkedIn, that's valuable to the people that want LinkedIn. Like we all have value. If you know something about BMX or wine or sneaker, like value, value, value.

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I think people have niched themselves in a corner. What happens if you know a lot about sneakers and you know a lot about bourbon? Post both.

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In this video, I'm going to show you how to turn $1,000 into $45,000 through email. And over the last 90 days, we spent just under 10 million emails from acquisition.com, and we generate tens of millions of dollars across our portfolio using email itself. And in this video, I'm going to break down emails that I've sent, and I'll give you the 10 tactics that have worked very well for us so far.

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It's the first time we can. You know, because for the first time ever, the creative is the variable of the reach. And that's marketing jargon, so let me say it again. For the first time ever, how good your picture or video is can lead to millions of people seeing it that never existed before. In the history of time, you'd have to be on television.

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or on the biggest magazine or newspaper to ever get a million people in America or the world to know anything, and you'd have to spend millions of dollars for that. Now, every day, we all know, every day that happens to somebody. Now, what we've also learned is just because you go viral once doesn't mean you're going to be a billionaire.

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It usually means that you're going to have this moment that you refer to your whole life, and you're actually going to be sad six months later because you weren't able to capitalize it. That goes into being a real entrepreneur. But for the first time ever, entrepreneurs, you have a fighting chance Ember Chamberlain's coffee can compete with Folgers. Charlie D'Amelio's popcorn can compete.

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Logan Paul and KSI's energy drink is really competing. Mr. Beast's chocolate is really competing. And they're the preview, not the anomaly. I started a wine brand and sold it to Constellation for tens and tens of millions of dollars because I made organic content on the internet about wine and then started a wine brand. That will be a very normal occurrence for a long time.

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When I make content, sometimes I'm like, this piece of content that I'm going to make is going to hit 45 to 55-year-old first-time moms everywhere. On the coasts. More New York, LA mentality than London, than Ohio, than Spain. So if I know that I'm doing that, don't you think that my adjectives and analogies tone intent, right? So I want everyone who's listening to start thinking about cohorts.

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Gary, what do you mean? I just do sneaker content. Okay. Well, there's a lot of different niches within sneaker content. There's people of high net worth like myself who can afford bougie fucking Nike Air Force One collaborations. There's other people who just really like New Balance. There's the Reebok movement that I'm getting into as well. There's a lot going on.

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Crocs, if you want to expand it a little bit. Do you know who you're making this video for? Because everyone's going to Vanilla. I make content for entrepreneurs. I'm like, okay, knock yourself out. Imagine how much better a piece of content is that you know that you're going to make.

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I'm going to make content for first-generation Hispanic entrepreneurs that are 18 to 22 that came from immigrant parents that came from Mexico. I'm going to use analogies. I'm going to make reference to rigatón. I'm going to talk about San Antonio culture.

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It's called relevance, everyone. If you're not relevant to someone, the second I make a long-tail barstool joke, every barstool dude is like, fuck, yeah. Like, it's not super complicated. And so, because everyone gets so boring and vanilla right away. People say to me all the time, they're like, it's a really funny thing that I fuck people up with.

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Like, because I've been so consistent and growing and all this stuff. But then, like, sometimes they'll be like, but Gary, you say the same shit. I'm like, what do you want me to make up stuff I don't believe in? Mm-hmm.

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And then they go, like if they stick with me in that convo, they start to realize, ah, I say the same macro 15 things, but the way I say it differently and how and where and what and to whom, that's the game. So cohorts, these are consumer segmentations. In old television talk, it was, we're trying to reach the 18 to 35 year old demo.

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I like to think, and I know I'm looking at your crew a lot because I like doing that. I like to think everyone in here is at a point in their lives where they realize an 18-year-old person and a 32-year-old person are very different. But that was television. You didn't have the internet. Now that we have the internet... Like everybody who's listening should be posting on Facebook. It's huge.

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Still, I'm getting 25, 30 year old audience on Facebook. Now they're on there like once in a blue moon compared to whatever. But like, like you should be relevant to Facebook audience. You should be relevant to TikTok audience. Snapchat's culture is slightly different than TikTok's. Like it's all different rooms out there and you want to be in every room.