Frances Frei

That's a working mom who's killing it.

There's not the exasperated.

And so what we found is that the working moms that were killing it

were actually internalizing this lesson.

And they were choosing to be best in class at a few aspects at work and a few aspects at home.

And they were no longer even trying to be great at being a sibling, a daughter, a sister, a friend.

The PTA is a laughable acronym to these working moms.

Nobody does.

And everyone on the just one missed handoff away, I loved their values.

They thought, you know what?

I'm going to use my own physical exhaustion as the only binding constraint.

And at least I'm going to try to be as good as I used to be before kids.

daughter, sister, sibling, PTA, and all of that.

And so what we're saying is you can either have the nobility of effort, and that's that exhausted set of moms, that's exhausted mediocrity, the nobility of effort, or you can have the nobility of excellence, and that is being willing to make trade-offs, and you can't have both.

I felt that.

Disappearing for conspicuously long bathroom breaks.

I mean, do you remember in preschool, we used to go—by we, I mean you more than me—you used to spend so many evenings at the preschool on PTA responsibilities and on governance.

You were on the board—

Yeah.

You were staying there at the preschool till midnight.