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I think that that's very common.
does that reflect in any other areas of your life with like work or like discipline or something where somebody, you like somebody barking at you.
Cause I am my own boss in a sense, but like self starter, you created this or whatever else.
But you liked the deadlines and whatever else.
So that got taken away.
That's so cool. Did you grow up in LA?
But same deal. I love that whole trifecta of like New York, Pasadena, Highland Park.
Parents still live in Highland Park, yeah.
No, they're right there. Okay, right. Yeah, they're right next to each other.
Pasadena, I mean, Pasadena has an Erewhon. Highland Park has a La Labo. Shut the fuck up. Highland Park has a Jenny's.
It has a Mendocino Farms.
You've never had meat? No.
Same. And we know it looks good. We're not like, that looks gross. We just do it because we care about animals.
Meat. Yeah. Sure. When you've never had it, you don't miss it.
That's true. That's true. You don't. No, friends of mine have, like, after, you know, some form of sushi or some form of, like, fast food, they have that bad day the next day. I have less of those than my pals.
You know what I had the other day? What? That I fully endorse? Part of my TikTok algorithm is the baked potato guys in England. Do you see these? He sees them.
Okay. So it's a food truck in England. It's the most English shit ever. It's a guy with a GoPro. Okay. It's so cold. Everything is like steaming to show you how cold it is, right? Love that. And they're called jacket potatoes, which America baked potato. Right. Okay. But because it's England, they're putting baked beans all over their baked potato. They're putting cheese.
They're putting, not in my case, but in other cases, they're putting some tuna on the side.
Anyway, but the videos are, like, a gruff guy, like, taking this...
potato that looks like it would burn the skin off of your hands it's so hot putting the hottest beans all over it and it's all in england so it's so cold and the guy outside of the food truck that's ordering is like always got like his breath is steaming right and he's like what you having today and the guy's like i'll just take some beans and cheese it's so english but i see them at like three in the morning in bed and i'm like that looks so fucking
Like it does make me want to eat it. Anyway, there is one in LA now called Spud Guy LA. And so I went to the parking lot that it's in the other day.
I got beans and cheese and chives and cilantro and sour cream and like garlic butter or something. Oh my God, it was so good.
No. 10, 15 minutes into the podcast in my American accent.
No. Who's on it? What's the deal? It's on Hulu. Okay. Hulu's having a moment. Such a fucking moment.
I know this is technically FX, but I watched it on Hulu, but I love the English t-shirts.
Do you go back, or do you just roll with whatever you missed?
I'm watching movies. Oh, okay. One of the perks of being... In the academy of like when you are nominated for an Oscar, you win an Oscar.
You get an app that has like every movie.
It's on your Apple TV. It's insane.
I haven't because that looks gross, but Claudia, my partner has seen the substance and she said it was gross.
How was really fun. Okay. Really interesting. Just watched the last show girl.
How was, I was, I found it very well done. I thought it was beautifully shot, beautifully acted. Um, I thought Pamela Anderson was pretty spectacular in it.
She does. I mean, it's like a credits.
It plays over the last 20 seconds, and then it plays into the credits. It's great. Andrew Wyatt, who composed the score for Barbie with Mark Ronson, Andrew Wyatt scored Last Showgirl, and I thought he did a great job.
I just watched English Teacher, which I loved, and then I never watched Freaks and Geeks. Neither have I. Okay, it's great. I'm in the middle of that right now. Funny? Really funny, really sweet. You know, it's like all those... Stars of the 2000s, but when they were in high school in the 90s, right?
It's like Jason Segel and Linda Cardellini and Busy Phillips and it's really... Claire Danes is in it, no? No. Yes? I don't think so.
Yes. I'll just... It's really great. I think you... I have a feeling from the wash on the jeans you're wearing that you'd really fuck with Freaks and Geeks.
But Freaks and Geeks doesn't even take place in the 90s. It takes place in like the... 80s? It's like 79 or 80. Yeah, it's really good.
Uh, no, I had her come to, yeah, in 2022, I put out a song about her and as a kind of a cash front, I was like, Hey, why don't you come visit me on tour in Paris and like shoot a music video for like, just kind of like had the label give her money to come and have a vacation with me in Paris.
Well, she's great. I mean, I saw a Sabrina Carpenter interview where she was like, She was like, yeah, I mean, really, I just was like, who's a really talented actor I know? And I was near one.
Which, like, that's how I feel. Like, it's less about, like, I gotta have my girlfriend in this and more about being like, oh, she's so good. She's gonna be great in this video. Oh. So it was really fun.
Okay. What do you like on set? I can't wait to go home. Okay. Yeah. I'm so miserable on a set. Why? Uh... I can't believe everything takes so- You are so fucking hydrated.
I know. I can't wait to go home. Let's therapist this.
I am insecure that I'm not very good.
That's kind of the underlying thing making me in a bad mood.
Because then I'm like. So then you project. So I project.
So, you know, that's what's really going on. Everything's always going wrong on a, especially a music video set. Everything's going wrong. The lighting equipment is fucked up or the, you know, there's too much cloud cover. You need the sun to come out for the shot. It's a lot of waiting around and waiting and waiting. I hate waiting.
It's all my own insecurities and issues.
That's so sweet of you. So do you.
With an H, whop. Yeah, whop. Yeah, so I, but again, I want to be clear. What I'm not doing on a set is yelling at anybody or giving anybody a hard time. Right. I'm sitting in a corner, like, unhappy.
I think I'm a extroverted introvert, or I'm one of those flip, introverted extrovert or extroverted introvert, one of those.
I am not. I don't think I would be described as introverted. Okay. I think I'm extroverted.
When you have a gathering and somebody brings a plus one that they didn't run by you at all.
The only way to handle it is to be like, oh. Like so nice to meet you, but I'm always pissed off about it. And I do, I am like, like I am like logging that for next time. Right. And they're either not invited or they're like invited with scrutiny.
You'd have a friend text them. Yeah. Petty. I know. Yeah. But that bums me out.
I don't really care if somebody says hey can I bring a friend to this especially if they don't know any of the other people I invited I'm like yeah of course are you a big like gathering hoster person I'm a small gathering hoster I like a small gathering and like so it's like how does that look dinner parties yeah I have some people over for like something I'm not a big game person do you like games I don't love them I don't love I like I like Monopoly
Ooh. Um, okay. This is a goofy like music person thing, but I got, I got a wide hand. So like playing piano, I got like a, like a C to a D or an E. Wow. Yeah.
I don't love like a paranoia or fishbowl or something like that.
You're also good at fishbowl is what I'm gathering from this. People that are good at fishbowl.
Because you love it. Oh, okay. I like fishbowl too. And I'm good at fishbowl.
It is good. You point at somebody and you're like, you know, ugly suit.
True. Unless you just do celebrities. Good at it, I feel like you can be quick with it, which is fun. Maybe I'm not good at it. But anyway, yeah, like the random, like I like the part, I don't really make a party that I'm hosting around a game. When I go to somebody else's party and you're hanging out and you're having like a snack
and you're having a good conversation and some fucking person is like, okay, is there a way to play a game?
Motherfucker. I should go sit down and shut up while they explain the rules to something.
It's a whole genre, right?
It's not like one show with one group of people, right? It's like this person, this group of housewives and this group of, right?
I've seen some Marvel movies.
Nobody with so much vim and vigor.
I'm not in, as much as I was once a part of the Ryan Murphy cinematic universe, I have not watched the Ryan Murphy cinematic universe.
Okay, I was just on Andy Cohen. Okay. And so was some housewife.
I don't remember. Come on. She made a blanket. She made like a hoodie or something and gave it to me. She was very sweet.
They all talk like that.
It was me and Cooper Coach or whatever. I saw this interview. Okay. All right. So where was the housewife? She was bartending. That's the Andy Cohen way. They make somebody bartend.
Were you shook at how small that room was? Yes. It's the size of this.
It's this room with eight people in the audience.
He must film so many in a day. I, I will say that after doing that, I, listen, I've had a really fortunate career. I've been in some rooms. And after doing that, a certain group of people, moms of friends of mine, were like, I saw you on Andy Cohen. They were like, I'd finally made it in their eyes. And I was like, two Oscars.
I think so I mean I don't know another language so that's the only one I know okay what language would you if you could wake up and know a language which one oh my god okay Italian because I want to be Italian it's a pretty like I mean I know it's called one of the romance languages but it is romantic what about you Spanish okay okay so I took Spanish all throughout high school yeah so you know more than I do but I almost failed out of it in college did you are you a duolingo person or no
But Andy Cohen was the one that they, that was the one they cared about.
They're awesome. I should have brought it for you. Stop! That would have been insane. With an Oscar. But come on over anytime and pick it up and make a speech.
If you want. I'll do an Oscar speech. Yeah, they're great.
I bet you'd kill. I bet you could choke yourself up. Oh, for sure. I bet you could talk about your parents believing in you or something.
Did your parents believe in you?
No, but he wrote those. Yes. Exciting.
He wrote Smart House. I hear about Smart House.
Not really, no. That's okay. It just wasn't my thing. I was around. Spongebob, although an enormous effigy, was not a part of my childhood. We didn't have the channels.
My dad loves it. Are you an only child?
I only ask because SpongeBob was playing while your parents were giving birth and was that just they loved it or was there another kid?
I do. What got you excited about history?
Drop like a little, like a Bravo scrawl on the bottom of the- Oh, I didn't even explain to you the housewives.
Please. Okay. Here we go.
No. I watched Extreme Home Makeover growing up. Ty Pennington. Loved it. I watched... My mom liked Wife Swap. You ever watch Wife Swap?
Wife Swap was literally just like the moms would trade families.
Wife Swap is an insane premise.
Billy likes Survivor a lot.
I've never seen Survivor, yeah. Oh. But Billy loves it. Okay. Anytime anybody loves something, I try not to knock it without knowing about it.
If I educate myself and think it sucks, I'll knock it all day long. But if I really don't know anything about, like, I don't know anything about the housewife world. So I was like, why would I look down on somebody who loves something that I know nothing about?
I know that to be true.
I mean, the fact that it's real is insane.
How do you get yourself on? How, like, how does a housewife, how is it born? Okay.
How did you get into it? And is there a friend that you watch it with? Is it once a week? What's the... Are you like... Now there's three different Housewives shows. You have to keep up with all of them. Like, how do they... Is it like sports? Where it's like, all right, it's baseball season. It's sports. It's Salt Lake Housewives season. All right, that's kind of like... They're on hiatus.
Now it's Florida Housewives season.
Nice. So it's a good time to be.
How does that relate to you?
Have you spent any time in Salt Lake? Never. You should go. Have you? You should immerse yourself. My cousins growing up lived in Salt Lake. They're not Mormon, but they lived in Salt Lake. And then, so I'd go as a kid. And then I've been on tour a bunch of times and like just hung out there for, you know, a couple days. But you should go.
How was your tour, by the way? Jake's life is public information. It is easy to find info, whether you mean to or not. It's easy to see stuff about Jake, Shane online. Yes.
Right, and you got pretty proud of it, and you get big laughs.
Did you do interviews on stage or no?
It was, like, just you and questions from the audience.
Were any cities audiences particularly rowdy? Were there any that got out of control?
Or really hitting them back.
speed and acuity is that you should hit them back. That's my, that's my feeling about you.
So it was Ariana Grande. That was Sunday.
Yeah. But that's what I think. I think you are judgmental in a good way. Oh, thank you. I think you're, I think you're quick. I think, I think if somebody heckles you, you could take them down.
But even that, isn't a takedown of them. Do you know what I mean? Right. Uh, like a takedown of them would be like, do you think it's you? Nobody knows who you are.
You know what I mean? Like that would be a, that would be if you want to go meaner, want to go more personal.
No, not really. But again, I'm just singing songs. I'm not, it's like, it's a totally different, audiences expect that kind of thing. Do you know what I mean? From a, from a, from a, anything with comedy.
Where they're like, I'm going to try to be funny also. I mean, I went to a friend's show not that long ago and it was like what I'm, I haven't seen your show, but I, I assume a similar format or it was like talking and telling stories.
And sometimes the audience would have the floor and I was very struck by like how much funnier most people think they are than they are. Right. You know what I mean? They tell a story and you'd feel, the rest of the audience, like, lost. Like, they'd be like, mm-hmm.
To be like, all right, all right, all right, yeah.
How long was... Have a jacket potato. How long was the... So it's 21 dates over the span of... A month. That's a lot of dates in a month.
I'm super excited. I mean, I'm like, I always have like so much fun on tour and I get sick at some point and I get so tired at some point. So those are the three things I'm like preparing for all three of those things.
We're doing Australia first, which is fly dates.
Because you have to fly around Australia. It's too big.
And then we're doing bus in America, probably bus in Europe.
Like, why are they so popular?
They're barely bigger. They just are formatted to be double-decker. Interesting. Yeah. The coolest part of a double-decker bus is that there's a lounge above the driver... So you have like a front window. Oh, how cool.
So you can watch. So you can, yeah, because the only other way you could do that is like to peek in with the driver and interrupt whatever they're doing. Right. You know, a podcast where they're listening to. Yeah. So this is like you're upstairs and there's a whole little lounge to sit down in and look at the road in front of you. It's very sweet.
And driving through Europe is prettier than driving through the United States.
Unless you're like driving by the Grand Canyon or something.
I'm super excited. I'm not a great traveler. Okay. Neither am I, but why are you? Uh, I don't know. I'm very temperamental. Like I feel like I, first of all, I break out constantly from anything. I break out from like, yeah, you know, I wake up half an hour too early. I break out.
Yeah. So, uh, a lot of music sinking like, Oh, this song is great. It's coming from two different places. One is a music supervisor whose job it is to find the perfect song for a scene. Um, The other one is the filmmaker, right? Like they might write a song into a scene, right? They're just like, oh man, I love this. Like I just watched My Old Ass, that Aubrey Plaza movie.
Um, but so like flying always breaks me out and makes me feel bad. I'm, I'm bad with jet lag. Um, But other than those things, and I like, I like routine. I like, you know, the same goofy coffee shop every day.
So that kind of like being in a city where I'm like on an app trying to find something. A salad. Exactly. So I've now toured the parts of the world so many times that I have like places I like. So that makes it better. Like in Australia, I have like a, place I like to eat and get coffee, like all in all the places.
So that makes me kind of like, Oh, I'm more familiar with it.
But going to new places gives me anxiety.
It's been very bittersweet. I mean, I only decided to do it because I knew that I couldn't be in two places at once. I was like, I can't do my own tours and do her tours at the same time. And I don't want to prevent her from touring as much as she wants to tour. Um, Um, and then the sweet part has just been like, I've seen the show a few times and it's amazing.
Like, I just think her show is like incredible. It's, it's, it doesn't suffer at all because I'm not there. Right. She's great. Um, and I, I've, I've come out done like a song or two, but it's, I really just think she's doing like the best show she's ever done. So that's lovely.
Yeah. You know, a lot of the time she's just kind of being an athlete and like resting and doing physical therapy and stuff like that. So, you know, I just make sure she's doing okay. I've always said, like leading up to it and then since she left, I've always been like, you ever need some company? Like, I'll jump out and, you know, just come hang out with you and keep you company on the road.
But the show is so good. And she has, like, a couple of her friends are singing in the show now.
Amazing. I think she's having a really good time.
Are you going to come to December? Yeah, I'm coming in December. Yeah, let me know. I'll hook it up.
Come to whatever one you want.
Yeah, she's in the round, which is when you play the middle of the arena. Harry Styles did that. Right. U2 has always done that.
And I think it's the best show to see in an arena as an audience member because no matter where you are, you're very close. Right. If you're in like classic rectangular arena and they're way over on one side. You can't see. Either you're on the side and they're facing like this. Right. Or you're really far away. And when they're in the center, like every person is like right there.
Great question. The two kinds of shows that I find are memorable, I don't know if this relates to your experience touring or not, but the two that are memorable are like really unusual or really bad. Okay.
Because those are memorable because you have to work. When everything goes well and you're doing your show and you're playing your song and your voice feels good and you don't trip, you finish and you're like, ah, I did it. You know what I mean? It's very calm.
The shows where your equipment doesn't work, your microphone is fucked up, it doesn't sound very good, the audience is disinterested, those are very memorable because you're really fighting. You're really in the moment, on stage, working through it.
I also hate when things go wrong. It's just memorable.
Okay. You just remember it because you're working so hard. Right. But so like, for example, like one show that's very memorable that I ended up loving was we played Red Rocks with Billy, which is that beautiful venue in Colorado. Yeah. But it was, like, raining a little bit, so our stage was really slippery. And you could see, like, lightning a couple times.
And oftentimes they won't even let you play when it's raining outside because they don't want the audience to get struck by lightning. But I guess it was far enough away that it wasn't a big deal or something. You know what I mean? Like, they always tell you, like, okay, we're waiting 20 minutes. Okay, you can go on. But that was a very memorable show.
But partially because it was kind of stressful and intense. You love being on stage? Or no? No. Yeah, I definitely am, like – I'm definitely, like, working up there. Yeah. I'm not in, like, a flow state.
It's a real, yeah, I got all choked up. Yeah. But I just use that as an example because there's like that Nelly Furtado song in that movie, whatever. And I don't know the backstory of that. Either Megan, the director, was like, God, I love this song. I see this scene with this song over it. Or the music supervisor.
Do you go do like open mics or comedy store sets or anything? Does that appeal to you or no?
I've seen him do stand up sets online, but not. Oh, you gotta go see him.
I mean, seeing good standup is like one of the most fun things to see and seeing bad standup is excruciating.
You almost always see both. If you got to see comedy, it's crazy. Because there's like somebody on the night is bombing and somebody is unbelievable and you see both. It's very crazy.
Oh my gosh. Crazy, crazy, weird, funny, creative. Yeah.
That show is getting better and better.
The first season was really good, and then the second season was way better. Have you seen the third?
It's really a good show.
It was Promiscuous, right? Promiscuous Girl. It was? I think so.
So is eating them part of appreciating them?
Tense up is insane. These are amazing.
I really, yeah, although I don't eat octopus, I enjoy the nomenclature you've developed. Thank you.
I felt like I was starting to understand everything and Puss in Your Tents has made me feel like I know nothing.
Anyway, so that's music supervisor filmmaker.
Puss in Your Tents is insane.
Sue me. Okay, now I know everything.
Well, I assume they don't have an example to include, but it only sounds funny to me.
Score is like just the actual instrumental composition happening.
Just lean into it. But again, grandma, cyberbullying is circumstantial. If it were a peer or something, I'd hit them up.
Like, it was, like— That's really crazy.
They're in their final act.
My friend David— who's one of my closest friends and funniest friends, his grandma has a Twitter, Josephine Marinelli. She has a Twitter. Her only tweet is the word confirm. That's sick. But like, that's so fucking awesome.
I mean, it was really, it was a real learning experience. It's not a thing I have a background in. But something I've always loved, like to give you an example of like a TV show with score I love, like White Lotus is a show that has...
She started the account and was like, what do I do? Like, do I confirm it? Confirm and press tweet. And that's the only thing she ever posted. That's amazing.
It doesn't matter at all.
Who doesn't prefer to poop in the privacy of their own nice smelling bathroom at home? But just do it. It takes five minutes. It's fine.
Sounds like you've got 10 years then. Then you're fine.
I don't know if you'd want to be with the person for the full 10, but it sounds like you've got a real runway before you want kids, so I think it's fine.
Such memorable, cool. That's score. Or like Succession. Succession, another great example. Everybody loves it.
I think if you wanted kids within two years, you should break up. But 10 is like be with them for six years and then...
I've changed my mind so many times in the past 10 years. Maybe this person who doesn't want to have kids will want to have kids six years from now.
Yeah, you can change your mind. A little fun fact about my parents.
My parents were together for several years. And my mom was like, all right, I want to have kids. Like, do you want to have kids or not? My dad didn't think he ever wanted to have kids.
He didn't think he did. And my mom... was like, I most want to have kids with you, but I want to have kids. Like that's the important thing to me in the rest of my life. If you don't ever want to have kids, I respect that. But then I have to go find somebody who wants to have kids. And he sort of thought about it.
And I think one of the things she said to him, which I think is really smart, was she was like, listen, we have a great relationship. You don't want to leave this relationship. You're not sure about having kids. You leave this relationship, you go marry somebody else. Maybe they'll be desperate to have kids anyway. And you'll be in the same position you are now.
Game of Thrones. Anything that you're humming that isn't a song from somewhere else is the score of the show.
maybe you'll get somebody pregnant accidentally and you'll have a kid whatever like she was like this is the right way to do it and i think it really made an impact on him and he now says that it's having kids is the best decision you've ever made but i think it's a it's a i only bring it up because it's a person who didn't think they wanted to have kids and now they're thinking that it was a great idea ultimately okay i really want to have kids so i'm not in you do yeah do you
I think vulnerability, public facing vulnerability is like a real superpower. It is. I don't know that I super have it, but I think you have it. And I think the housewives have it.
You should just go have an arc on it.
I read the script and then wrote some pieces just kind of from inspiration of the script. Some of those made it in. Some of them didn't. Some of them were wrong. Because then once you see the scene, you're like, oh, this looks different than I pictured it in my head. Right. Let me write something to the picture. Oh. And then, you know, it's a back and forth with the filmmaker.
Tough. I really empathize. Me too. Boyfriends that you don't like, huge drag.
And, you know, depends on... That person sounds really unpleasant. Right. But it doesn't sound like they're like a verbally abusive boyfriend. Right. I'm not hearing like a thing worth breaking up over.
I don't know if there's anything you can say. Because it's all going to come off as just like super judgmental.
Yeah. If you have a friend who's got a partner that is mistreating them, I think you should at least at some point.
I don't think that's okay.
But if you're just like, I don't think they're funny. I hate the way they mansplained. You know what I mean? That's tough.
I think what I would do, this is my prescription. I think if you can, as the friend, without ever being mean or making the person, I think if you let your actions reflect, you'd prefer to just be with your friend and not be around their boyfriend, you know?
I think that that subliminally does impact, you know what I mean?
When like, I've been in a relationship with Claudia for like six years and like, I'm pretty aware that like my friends really like Claudia. You know what I mean? And they like, I have friends that are girls that hang out with Claudia separately for, you know what I mean? There's a kind of a like, Oh, I know that they get along. This person has like a high approval rating in my life.
And I've had girlfriends in my life that have a low approval rating or the, where I love them. But the people around me are like,
I think as the relationship goes on, it is in the back of your mind of like, I don't think my friends like this. My friends who I trust and love are not crazy about this person I'm dating. Do you know what I mean? Like, I think if you're the roommate from college or high school or whatever that this example is. Right. You don't have to verbally say, I don't fuck with your boyfriend.
But I think if your actions are like, hey, maybe you and your boyfriend shouldn't. I really loved living with you, but you and your, you know what I mean? If you kind of reflect that you're like not crazy about them, I think that that's impactful.
Yeah, if you argue with their boyfriend, that's also sick.
Like anything where, you know, he goes, yeah, I like this part. But then it needs to, you know, climax in a different way and whatever else.
Okay, prescription is argue with the person's boyfriend. Like, all right, how do I submit one?
I like the idea of you being like, this one's from Phineas. The most recognizable name.
I learned so much about the origin of all of the puss nomenclature in your life. I learned about your college experience. I learned about what your parents do for a living. I learned about your brother being a history buff. I learned that you summered in Los Angeles and grew up in New York.
Yeah. I in fact think that that's in some ways my whole career is predicated on listening. I was about to say, I think all, I think the real cornerstone of like my success is that I sit around and like listen to people.
I mean, that's like being a producer songwriter is just like asking, asking questions in a way that, isn't invasive and letting people tell you about themselves, feel comfortable sharing and then knowing enough to, to write with them. I think that's like the whole career.
I did. It was pretty like challenging. Like there was a kind of an ego death in it because you'd make a, like a lot of what I do, I'm very much like in charge. Right. You know, I'm making my own album and I'm worrying about if I think it's ready or not. I don't know what your relationship with like, do you have a boss? Does, does therapist have a boss? Does, does Jake Shane have a boss?
We've been in the same rooms, but we've never spoken.
By the way, same rooms, but never spoken. We haven't been at like a dinner table. We've been at like an event with 500 people.
And I've seen Jake and been like, oh, I recognize Jake. But you know what I mean?
You're busy. You're ensconced. Jake has his publicist. Jake has his friend. He's got Glenn Powell. He's roaming around.
Or is the audience the boss?
Right, so you make something and the audience is like, you have to do something different. Anyway, so I mean, that's true of musicians, right? Like, if Billy or I make an album and nobody likes it, that's kind of our boss, right? Right. But, at the end of the day in the studio, it's just me. So the difference is like making the music for this TV show. Alfonso, the director is the boss.
So I turn in this piece of music to him and he goes like, it's not right. And you just kind of like throw it away.
But in this case, you actually have to hire to participate in the thing.
I think there were instances of both. I mean, I really think Alfonso is like kind of a genius person. And so even when I didn't maybe understand what he was going for, by the time I'd get to it, I'd be like, oh, I love this idea that he had. And then there were areas where I, you know, again, like your ego is like, but I'm so smart and my idea is great. You just have to kind of like let go of it.
I just asked just now. I'm trying to. But there you go. That'll be your version of ego death.
You come in with your great idea about the character and your great delivery and the director's like, I don't like the energy of that thing. You know what I mean? And you have to not take it personally, right? You have to not go, I'm bad. You have to go like, it's different. It's different than I thought it was.
I'd like to do like, One at a time, every once in a while when it's the right project. Like, I think I'm going to do one next year that I, of course, like, they'll kill me if I talk about. But I think I've found another one.
Memorable, yeah, I know what you're talking about. I mean, I think to me the two things are like, the project, if I read a script and I'm like, oh, this is cool, and I like the filmmaker from their other work, That's like step one. And then the step two is like, if I am like, oh, I think music will be important in this. Because sometimes it isn't. You know what I mean?
Listen, I agree with you. Yeah. I mean, you'd make a good composer because you're aware of it already. So there you go. But I feel like that with...
like producing other artists also like sometimes i'll work with an artist or i'll meet with an artist and i'll just be like this person is amazing but they don't need like they don't need my help got it they're so they're so where they need to be right and if they ask me to be a part of it i might just say yes because that sounds fun but i'm not like let me make your album because they're really good already like a person like that that i can think of is that you know olivia dean
I heard her music and loved it and then got a chance to like meet her. And I told her, I was like, I don't think you need my help, but you're so great. And if you ever want to do something together, like I'm definitely.
That was pretty short. I started working on it in March. And the reason it was so quick was that I made it in a really like old school way. I just filled a room full of like friends of mine. It was like this room of people spitting out ideas and it was really fun. But it was like only three weeks of working and that was the whole album.
I think... billy and i sit alone in a room and work and it's pretty experimental and we kind of try everything and see what works and she works on something in a very first of all she's a better singer than i am and she's a better judge of singing than i am and so like i'll record like seven takes of a song and i'll be like well i i don't love the sound of my own voice okay how are you with the
Because that makes it more bearable.
The idea of hating the sound of your voice in normal speed, but letting it sound like this is crazy to me.
Sure, that makes sense. Do you just hate the timbre? Sometimes I hate the words I repeat all the time. Oh. I'm a big, I say like all the time.
And when I watch a clip back that I have to approve, I'm aggravated by my speech pattern. Oh, I said like too many times.
like like you know what i mean like it's like it's just like you know you don't you're not wearing headphones right now no i'm not wearing headphones right now and i prefer that because i would get distracted by hearing my own voice okay so funny you mentioned that i started the first episode i ever did of this i had headphones on i took them off halfway because i was like this is fucked too distracted yeah yeah even just the little mouth noises whatever it is kind of annoyed by it
I do one can on, one off.
But I'm more listening to the music. Got it. Or my own pitch. Like pitch is very different than...
speaking tone i'm like trying to sing on pitch so it's okay okay how long have you been like singing and making music for i started singing i mean i was saying a lot as a kid in a right bad just like around the house singing along to like the all-american rejects kind of way oh dirty little secret dirty little secret it ends tonight um yes
Uh, and then I was in a choir when I was like 12 that there's a choir in LA called the LA children's chorus. Oh wait, I know.
Do you like know some kids that went, were in it?
Yeah. And they wear like red sweater vests.
It's really old school. They really are. They care a lot about their, uh, their prestigious. They want to be really good.
And so it's fun to be in cause they're strict and they make sure that you are, you know, really do your homework. So we did that through high school. Billy was also in that choir. Oh, I didn't know that.
My voice had, there was at the time, I think it's changed now, but at the time, Once your voice changes as a guy, you go to an ensemble of men.
So I was never... My voice changed by the time Billy was in the choir. Okay. So I was like, ah, I'm in the other one. Right. But it would have been really cute.
When she was 13 and I was like 18. Wow.
And then... And she's always had a great voice. And...
to my knowledge never had like a problem with hearing her own voice which must be the case i mean if you're ariana grande or billy or beyonce you must love it right you must put a headphone on go i sound so good like i wonder what that's like my dream has always been like i wish i could sing like good like you know what i mean like i wish a couple lessons away dude okay do you actually believe that singing lessons work
Absolutely. I mean, listen, I'm not, I don't think I'm ever going to sound like Beyonce. Totally. Or Josh Groban or something. But I'm much better for a couple singing lessons.
Well, they, you have like a personal, I feel like I always see you with like, I feel like this is a whole internet thing of you and Tate McRae and Glenn Powell.
Do you forget that? Is that, like, when you're out at the Bristol Farms or whatever, are you forgetting that people, that you have a lot of views on your stuff?
You haven't let it change. You haven't let it change you yet. You haven't become friends with only celebrities.
You're at the soul cycle with Glenn Powell and tape maker. What is it? It's not soul cycle. It's aloe aloe.
To Aloe? Yeah. Aloe seems to be, from the two visits I've spent at Aloe, a Soho house. Yes, it's a Soho house for jams. It seems to be like I went one time to record. There was a studio at Aloe.
I went at another time to see a movie. There's a movie theater at Aloe. I've never ever done a crunch at Aloe.
I'm going to use you to get to Glenn Powell.
How do we get to talking about this? Oh, vocal lesson. When you work out with a trainer, you go harder.