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True Crime Vault: The DNA Detective
I felt like I couldn't give up hope. Giving up hope would have been giving up on her. I couldn't do that.
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True Crime Vault: The DNA Detective
It's very scary. This is such a quiet neighborhood. We keep our doors locked.
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True Crime Vault: The DNA Detective
Why didn't it happen to me? Would it have happened to me if I had stayed? What would have happened?
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True Crime Vault: The DNA Detective
When I got the phone call that he had been arrested for this crime... I believe my first words were, I'm shocked, but I'm not surprised.
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True Crime Vault: The DNA Detective
I met him for the first time when I began waiting tables, cocktail waitressing actually. He was sort of the house DJ. He was very shy. Everyone knew who he was because he had made a good name for himself in our little small town.
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True Crime Vault: The DNA Detective
When we first started dating, it was fun. It was exciting. It was dangerous. He was married. He was the cool DJ. After we kind of had settled into our relationship, he became very jealous. He became very possessive.
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True Crime Vault: The DNA Detective
Would just quietly say, you're worthless. Those red flags started to come up more often. The insults, the put downs, the controlling behavior.
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True Crime Vault: The DNA Detective
He caught me smoking and sort of drug me back inside from outside, reading me the riot act, saying, since you can't sort of abide by the rules, you're going to clean the kitchen floor. I felt horrible. I felt demeaned. I felt scared.
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True Crime Vault: The DNA Detective
I had worn sandals with socks out to dinner, and that was something that he totally hated. And he sent me to the car to sit in the car while everyone else had dinner. I started thinking about how I was going to exit the relationship at that point.
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True Crime Vault: The DNA Detective
So then my mind went to, why didn't it happen to me? Would it have happened to me if I had stayed? I truly believe that his relationships with women were not healthy.
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True Crime Vault: The DNA Detective
It's been such a long time. I mean, a lot of people have worked hard on this. I don't doubt anything they did, but to find out this is how we're gonna find the person who did this, it's just amazing. We thank you.
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True Crime Vault: The DNA Detective
She came downstairs and she said, Chrissy didn't show up for work.
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True Crime Vault: The DNA Detective
Giving up hope that they would find the person that did this would have been giving up on her
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True Crime Vault: The DNA Detective
And Arm & Hammer power sheets deliver an effective clean at a great price. Think of all the laundry we'll do.
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True Crime Vault: The DNA Detective
He said it was probably in our best interest, not the viewer, just remember how she was.
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True Crime Vault: The DNA Detective
He said it was probably in our best interest, not the viewer.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: The Breaking Point
His problem is he's clueless. He has no concept of what is really going on right now.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: The Breaking Point
He just was slow in some motor skills even. I could tell that Dylan would not stay focused.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: The Breaking Point
I just see someone being bullied into saying something they didn't do. I think that he was just trying to get through it.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: The Breaking Point
I was told that I would not be able to contact him or he would not be able to contact me. I think safe house was more the word that they used because Dylan was their precious cargo. He was the key witness and he had to be protected. I had no idea where he was going. They told me that they would buy him all new clothes, that he might get to work a little.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: The Breaking Point
I know my boys, they're drug addicts. They're not murderers.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: The Breaking Point
How old is he in this one? Looks like it's probably his first Christmas, so he'd be about, probably about a month old.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: The Breaking Point
We was very surprised, and Shane was too when he called us that day. He said, hey, they just come down here rolling down through here and searched my trailer and brought the dogs. And he was, you could tell he was surprised.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: The Breaking Point
We heard that he was trying to take a picture of her and pretending like he was talking on the phone. But now Shane only had a flip phone, so I don't think he could hold that flip phone up to your head and take a picture of somebody else.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: The Breaking Point
He was one of the first boy children in our family. He liked football. He liked baseball. He liked playing cards. He was very competitive. He was my partner in card playing because we're the only two that could get along. His dad plays for fun and we play to win. So we couldn't get along, but we could at cards because we understood what we wanted from each other.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: The Breaking Point
He always wanted to make us happy and make us proud.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: The Breaking Point
He needed more and more pain medicine. And then's when I think we really knew he had a problem.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: The Breaking Point
He was addicted to morphine. And that's what I told the TBI guy when he come to the gate down there. I said, hey, if she'd been made of morphine, I'd said you'd come to the right place. But no, no way.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: The Breaking Point
You don't think your son had anything to do with it?
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: The Breaking Point
You would have to know Shane. He was kind. He likes dogs. He loves his dog. And...
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: The Breaking Point
He would pick up strays. He didn't even like to shoot deer, okay? He wanted to be a deer hunter, but he didn't really want to shoot a deer. So I just, I don't believe that for one minute.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: The Breaking Point
That is a far step for somebody that's, I know Shane had a lot of traffic violations and some stuff, but that's a big step. To go from... And take a life. To take a life.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: The Breaking Point
If you don't do it, they're going to arrest him. They've done told me they're going to arrest him. And he said it's going to cost money. 60 plus thousands of dollars. So us three, we talked and we agreed.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: The Breaking Point
If they wasn't here, they was calling him, harassing him. So we didn't have any peace. I mean, the people that's dealing this thing have a lot of power.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: The Breaking Point
People didn't want to have nothing to do with him. He was pretty much ostracized in this community.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: The Breaking Point
That's when he got bad again. I don't know if it was them calling him or whatever, but anyway, his drug use... just escalated, and that's from that. And Christmas was the last time we seen each other.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: The Breaking Point
Our life will never be normal again. Karen Bobo's life will never be normal again, or Dana's. Like I said, this has affected so many lives.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: The Breaking Point
Well, if he was going to take his life over guilt, do you think it would have happened that many years past? But I'm probably going to say he lost his job. He was coming back home to live with his mom and dad, flat broke, addicted to drugs. That's kind of what I think. But, you know, there wasn't a note. I don't believe for one minute that it had anything to do with Holly Bobo's, him killing her.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: The Breaking Point
He would have a hard time completing a simple task.
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What Happened to Holly Bobo?: The Breaking Point
Maybe a little slow in reading, comprehending, things like that. His grandfather, Dick Adams, agrees.
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True Crime Vault: Overboard
When we were there, we looked for their car. We, you know, walked around a couple of blocks. It's kind of where they would park. Couldn't find their car.
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True Crime Vault: Overboard
And we went over to the dinghy dock, and this well-deserved dinghy was there. It wasn't properly tied. And I just told Jim, I go, you know, this is not right. Something's going on here.
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True Crime Vault: Overboard
As we came up on the boat, I noticed that the tarps were all off, all the controls were just kind of peeled back, and there was a towel hanging out one of the portholes. And I got a sick feeling in my stomach, just like something wasn't right.
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True Crime Vault: Forgiving A Killer
Welcome to the 2020 True Crime Vault, where heart-stopping headlines come to life.
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True Crime Vault: Forgiving A Killer
You've been listening to the 2020 True Crime Vault. You can find all new broadcast episodes of 2020 Friday nights at 9 on ABC.
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True Crime Vault: Forgiving A Killer
Can you tell me anything about him at all, Bart? Did he sound black, white, Hispanic?
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True Crime Vault: Family Secrets
April's friends and family were devastated. And they felt like it was a slap in the face. But the people who support Jim Kaufman say, you know, he's a widow. And he's moving on with his life.
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Wild Crime: You've Got Your Monster | S4 Ep. 2
It could brighten any room. It was a very sad service knowing that she wasn't going to be back. Just like any parent loves their child, James was devastated James will not have any grandchildren. James will not be able to give his daughter a hug ever again because of this creep.
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True Crime Vault: Family Secrets
The two of them were well known individually as well as together. They really wanted to be involved in the community. They also like to have some fun.
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True Crime Vault: Family Secrets
Investigators say that same day they seized more weapons from Kaufman and at least $100,000 in cash. That was a game changer.
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Wild Crime: You've Got Your Monster | S4 Ep. 2
We believe there are other victims in other states. We are continuing our efforts to identify those victims. We have been analyzing financial records, travel records, any other records that are available to us over the last several years.
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Wild Crime: You've Got Your Monster | S4 Ep. 2
I'm Jennifer Currier. I'm Bill Currier's baby sister. He didn't have kids, so it was always his nieces and nephews. He loved his nieces and nephews a lot. He was planning on a family reunion that summer. He loved his house. He picked that area because the neighborhood was beautiful. It was safe. He wanted his wife to be safe.
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Wild Crime: You've Got Your Monster | S4 Ep. 2
And of course, as a family member, you already know that there's foul play.
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True Crime Vault: Family Secrets
As the media got there and they started to realize who it was, that's when they knew, okay, this is really a story. It was chaos.
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True Crime Vault: From Classroom to Captive
Er wurde sehr wütend. Es war eine unabhängige Entscheidung. Wir wollten sie nicht hier haben.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
I've driven this road at least a thousand times when I was a kid. I avoid this place since 1990. When my sister Tanya Bennett was murdered here.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
They have her tell me this story. And I looked at her again and I said, Mom, are you sure? And she goes, well, they told me I had to tell you this. Because if I told you, then they wouldn't believe me.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
She sent us from prison. Just love mother. Got a lot of these. Here's us right here.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
We are visiting mom at the women's prison in her prison photo.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
Pokey picture. Pokey picture. She was very giving. She'd give you the shirt off her back. I mean, she was that kind of woman. That's why all of this doesn't make sense.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
I think what happened to mother was she was in an abusive relationship and she was desperate. And desperate people do desperate things.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
She must have really been desperate though. She must have been.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
I got a call on my cell phone, and it was Phil Stanford from the Oregonian. And he said, Darlene, I think we know who's done all this. I think we can get your mom out.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
We first got a copy of a letter from a reporter in Portland and signed with a smiley face. And he claimed responsibility for a Jane Doe homicide that we had. And we had no other leads at that point.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
He described the location, which was correct.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
Then this is Julie with my son Joshua. And then this is Julie with Jeff. This was in 78. This was taken... She was my best friend. I called her Jules. She was five foot two, blonde hair, blue eyes, weighed about 98 pounds, and adorable. Always wore her hair very short, did not like long hair, always loved hoop earrings. She was just cute. Yeah. Wasn't she beautiful? She truly was.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
She was beautiful inside as well as outside. And that's how I remember her. She was a free spirit and she would go here and there and she would go to work at a place and wouldn't work for very long because she would always go out on the road. But you know, she would pop in and pop out and over the years she was that type of person.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
I told her to get out and then she went back out on the road. I knew we would make up because you can't be friends for 20 years and not make up. So I felt very guilty. for a number of years because I feel that if I hadn't had that fight with her, she would never have left town and she might be alive today.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
He was a long-haul truck driver. Had been doing it for a long time.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
She was my friend. She was my sister. And I would stand and defend her to this day. Because if I would have met Jesperson, I would have pulled her away from him immediately because I wouldn't have liked him.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
He felt his back was up against the wall. He doesn't want to go to prison at all, obviously. When I spoke to him on the phone, he had described the letter that he had written to his brother.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
Right off the bat, they showed a sketch of the person. I thought to myself, well, that don't look like her. But once they showed her clothes and her shirt, you know, all I could think about, oh, my God, my sister. At that point, the family recognized her as Tanya Bennett.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
but his brother pretended like he threw it out, pretended as if he flushed it down the toilet, but he handed it over to the police.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
The prosecutor called me. He said, listen, we got this letter. We're looking into it. I look at it and I go, okay. So I took that and went and had a conversation with Mr. Jesperson about it.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
He told me that, yeah, this is all true. I had killed, you know, he said I killed eight women. You ask yourself, what do I do with this? How do I handle this? This person just told me he's committed multiple murders.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
He was talking to the media. That upset me, it upset the prosecutor, and it upset the judge. This is where it had gotten to sort of a circus level. I mean, I had to wake up each day and see what my case was doing. He just loves the attention.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
His demeanor's very soft-spoken. He engages in humor. You can have a good conversation with him aside from the fact that he's responsible for eight murders.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
She was found on August 30, 1992. The body at that point was badly decomposed. And to this date, she has not been identified.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
She's a little bit slow, but she's the only one that graduated from high school. She read a lot. Instead of watching TV, it was music. Madonna. That's what she listened to all day.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
He killed her and then he tied her body underneath his truck and dragged her for a number of miles.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
It was just heartbreaking. The women he murdered were human beings, and they all deserve to live.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
He ended up brutally beating her before strangling her.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
He was worried about his fingerprints. So he cut off the button on her jeans. Got rid of it.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
While we were in the courtroom, he turned around and winked at me. So, you know, he had no remorse. None. You could see it in his eyes. His eyes were cold as ice.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
We had to sit there and listen to what he did. You know, it's not an easy thing to listen to.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
The day that she left the house, I do remember. She said, I'm gonna go see my friends. I said, it's Sunday, the bus only runs once an hour. Where are you gonna go? She says, yeah, I'm gonna go see my friend. I said, okay, well, you know, take the movies back on the way.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
I've seen all these tracks and all this and that. I knew it had to be around there someplace. You can tell where people have been in and out.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
We were all outside the door, and she hugged everybody, kissed everybody.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
Actually feeling sorry for the people that he caused pain to, he said he doesn't, and it's just something that I guess he's really not wired to feel.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
Everybody has the right to be who they want to be. Julie was young, beautiful, silly.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
I didn't know that anything was going to happen to her. She didn't know either. But she comes in my dreams. I'm good. She makes me happy.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
Never found out what she was doing, how she was doing it. Because she kept everything a secret.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
I avoid this place. Since 1990, my sister Tonya Bennett was murdered here.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
I forgot about a lot of these. Here's us right here.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
She was like a best friend. That's how I felt about her. I couldn't tell her anything.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
She's caring. She's naive. Wants to help anybody that she can help.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
She was a character. I can tell you that. She was funny. Here's a good picture of Mom and Dad.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
We were so normal. And then when their marriage ended after 26 years, because my dad kind of looked elsewhere, that's when things fell apart for her, horribly fell apart for her.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
Before he died, he had a farmhand and his name was John Cisnoski.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
I don't think she was in love with him. I think that she was at a bad place in her life.
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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer
She was lonely, and she didn't have anyone to take care of anymore because everybody was gone.
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Who Is The Delphi Killer?
They had the same interests in music and arts, had played volleyball together.
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Who Is The Delphi Killer?
This is a quilt that we had made that tells a little bit of Libby's life. Libby wanted to try everything. She wasn't afraid of anything, except the dark. She was very giving, very stick up for the underdog.
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Who Is The Delphi Killer?
They were grounded as soon as we found them and they got home. We didn't think the worst. We didn't nowhere near think the worst.
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Who Is The Delphi Killer?
I had a friend that ran up to me and said her husband called her and that they found the girls, but she wouldn't say anything more. I saw the coroner's van go by. And that's when it hit. She's not hurt and waiting for us. That's when I realized.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
Whenever you speak to your loved one, the last thing you should ever say is, I love you, because it might be the last time. And that was the last thing I said to him, was I love you.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
So I'm like, Patrick, you can't do this to your roommates. you know, here's a check for $60 or whatever it is they wanted for the water or the electric. Go down there and give this to your roommates. Well, he did and he was supposed to come back to the farm
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
The next day, I was sitting on my front porch. My phone beeped. I picked it up. It was the chaplain. She said, Patrick's been shot, and you need to come to the hospital. I said, no, no, no. You are mistaken. And so I think you have the wrong person. She's like, no, it's him and he's been shot and you need to come here.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
We're heart sick. I mean, that's all I could think. Is Patrick going to live? The longer Pastor Rick was in surgery, the more hopeful we were that he was going to make it.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
We were just stunned. It's eerie. You know, you always think that you're going to cry and wail, but Sarah cried and wailed. The rest of us were just in disbelief.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
Patrick was born the day after Thanksgiving, November 27, 1992. And he's a Thanksgiving baby. His birthday is always Thanksgiving weekend.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
He was very outgoing and always trying to have new friends, and he'd talk to anybody. That continued on for the rest of his life. He was just a really likable guy.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
We did chat with the police. So we did tell them what we knew about the whole cocaine incident. Patrick claims these people he was involved with would hurt you if you were going to rat on them or do anything. He claimed that they had enforcers that would hurt you. So we thought, well, could have been a hit to quiet them down.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
So at the time, the police are still not sure what the situation is with the shooter. So the police manned the party as well. They didn't know if they were still working the angle of maybe this was a hit.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
He would never say he couldn't do something. He would just do it, much to his detriment sometimes. We called him Reckless Rick when he was a child.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
Surveillance, undercover buys, and numerous search warrants throughout the city.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
The drugs that were seized, they included cocaine, marijuana, Xanax pills, powdered ecstasy, and LSD. Also seized, more than $200,000 in cash, seven guns, including some powerful semi-automatic rifles, and four vehicles. Mullen says there was a connection between the bust and the murder of Patrick Moffley.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
The police body cam footage during the trial was painful, seeing Patrick. But I'm thankful that I got to see it. You know, you always wonder what's happening with your child in his last moments of consciousness.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
That was the hard part. I mean, here he's been gone, you know, three years. And his last words, we get to see three years later. On the body cam footage, it just made my heart hurt. I felt so bad.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
We've had such mixed emotions about that because yet another life has been ruined. I mean, he was young, too. 21, I believe, was, you know, doing the two-year college thing and working in a restaurant. The guy that ultimately got sentenced to life.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
We dedicated a dive site in Roatan in Honduras to Patrick. The dive site's called Patrick's Stash.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
I think Patrick would say this board's too big. He would surf on a smaller board. Yeah, Patrick would say something like that.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
He was bumping heads with someone potentially, maybe the wrong crowd. I don't know what it was at the time. He's getting into a couple of fights. So we wanted him to have a different set of scenery. So we sent him to Costa Rica to do Costa Rica Outward Bound instead of 10th grade. So he's the youngest person ever to go do that. They hiked from the Caribbean Sea to the Pacific Ocean.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
I miss my son a lot. I think about him every day.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
Whenever you speak to your loved one, the last thing you should ever say is, I love you. Because it might be the last time. And that was the last thing I said to him, was I love you.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
The experience of living in the jungle made him mature a lot and he grew personally and his skill levels grew. He proved himself to the leaders of Outward Bound who were tough guys and they really liked Patrick. He came back, you know, he got through high school. He worked here on the farm.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
And we wanted Patrick to get, you know, either a college degree or work in the trades or any number of different things.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
He didn't really like either of those options. So he chose the school.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
Sarah was also at the College of Charleston and Bridget was also at the College of Charleston at the same time.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
My phone beeped and it was the chaplain. She said, Patrick's been shot and you need to come to the hospital. I said, no, no, no. You are mistaken. I think you have the wrong person.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
Patrick, he seemed super stoked about his classes. He was talking to the professors and things seemed good.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
We kind of thought it was a good thing. That, you know, at least he was with different guys that were doing different things. Some played soccer, some were into business, higher education.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
He's falling behind in school, and then he's missing classes. And then Patrick called us from the Richland County Detention Center to tell us he got arrested. We were stunned. He got arrested in Columbia at a football game. He had eight ounces of cocaine to sell. He was charged with trafficking.
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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 5: Patrick Moffly
Patrick was struggling with the things that were hanging over his head. He did not leave the farm, pretty much. January, February... I had made an appointment, and then we talk about mental health. You call somebody to try to get some help. They're like, oh yeah, you know, we can see you in three weeks. So, well, we kind of have an issue today. We were waiting for that appointment.
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Bad Romance: Betrayed
Angelique's relationship with Wicca was more interest, and I think that kind of trickled down to mom as well.
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Bad Romance: Betrayed
He was supposedly building a ship, but why are you building a ship in Wisconsin or Michigan? It didn't make sense. There were definitely red flags that David possibly was cheating or hiding something from Angel.
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Bad Romance: Betrayed
I was happy that my sister found someone. But when I met him, I didn't really care for him.
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Bad Romance: Betrayed
You know, this force and energy, it wasn't good. But Angelique liked him, so I'm going to like him too.
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Bad Romance: Betrayed
We were up in arms about that. You know, he's a bum. He's going to live in my mom's house with nothing.
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Bad Romance: Betrayed
David was wanting her to put Vonda in a managed care facility, and Angel was vehemently against that.
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Bad Romance: Betrayed
He wasn't around, and I thought that strange for somebody who wanted to get married.
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Bad Romance: Betrayed
Angelique called me, and she was really upset and said that she'd had a bad dream. that she dreamed he was kissing someone else, and I tried to console her. You're getting cold feet or something like that.
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Bad Romance: Betrayed
When I found out that he had another woman, I went, oh my gosh, Angelic's dream. It's like she was right.
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Bad Romance: Betrayed
You want people to be held accountable for their actions. Two people are no longer with us who should be.
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Bad Romance: Betrayed
Hey, you know, that really didn't go very far. That was more for the judge than for us.
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Bad Romance: Betrayed
He is ineligible for parole. He's going to rot there in jail. Knowing that he's in jail and my mom and sister are dead, no. No, it's not a whole lot of comfort there.
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Bad Romance: Betrayed
I think I am at peace. I know I am at peace. It's taken me years to get to this place. I just think of them very fondly. My mom's incredible sense of humor and Angel just, gosh. Angelique was a gift to our family.
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Bad Romance: Betrayed
The night with its endless realm of possibilities. What could last forever? Stars? Scattered diamonds of the night? The stars watch and somewhat guide. Choices and outcomes. But in the end, the stars watch us. That's my girl. That's my girl.
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Bad Romance: Betrayed
On my answering machine from 15 years ago, It's Angelique and mom singing happy birthday to me.
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Bad Romance: Betrayed
She was the caretaker for her mom, who had dementia and heart problems, and that was her world.
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Bad Romance: Betrayed
My mom was from West Virginia, and she was a hoot. Oh, my gosh. You know, you couldn't pull the wool over her eyes at all. You know, we all tried, you know.
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Bad Romance: Betrayed
Angelique and mom would always go out to the beach to go to one of the stores for the Wicca.
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Bad Romance: Betrayed
Angelique's always been fascinated with the stars. There's definitely energy to things, kind of like the force, be with you kind of thing.
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Bad Romance: Betrayed
Except for, you know, of course, when Angelique would go out on a date. Mom couldn't go then.
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Bad Romance: Betrayed
She wanted to be married, and she wanted a family. Yes, she did. She talked about it.
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Bad Romance: Betrayed
Angel was into the Renaissance and she was having a special dress made. It was red trim, you know, just kind of fairytale. It was very much Angel. I still have the dress that I purchased to wear as maid of honor.
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Bad Romance: Betrayed
Walter is my ex-husband. We were married back in our 20s. And then, you know, we got divorced. But he stayed in touch with the family. Everybody loved him.
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'Radioactive' - Ep. 4: The Investigators
I think our conversation's over. You're fixing something, and you're not going to get it here. Well, I'm not fishing for anything.
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'Radioactive' - Ep. 4: The Investigators
Now, as far as Silkwood deal goes, there was no illegal wiretap or anything like that ever on our part approved through me or even with my knowledge at all. So that's the next question for you, too.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
It was just so hurtful in knowing that in his life Donna could be replaced so easily.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
Now Rebecca's pregnant? Now they're going to Hawaii and getting married? Like seriously, can I say it on camera? What the ?
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
Sarah Jane had the baby in her arms and she had a necklace that had Donna's significance on it. She wanted to put it on Bailey, and it upset Mark. Mark said, Mom, could you please take the necklace off? It makes me feel bad. That was the first instance where we felt that Mark said something that was inappropriate. That was kind of the beginning of the end.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
I received a letter from Mark one day saying to me, I could not be called Grandma. So I wrote him back and I begged him, please let her call me grandma. And he said, I'm sorry, there's no way that I am going to allow her to call you grandma. And that's the way it is.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
Mark and Donna had a very nice married life. He was a nuclear engineer.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
The detective said to me, I just wanted to tell you that we now suspect Mark to be the murderer of Donna. And I said to him, what are you saying? That's not possible.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
Donna called up and she was hysterical. She had just found out that she could not get pregnant.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
Roger's name would be clear. That was one of the biggest reliefs I had, just knowing that people would not think that my little brother was a killer.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
And so when this didn't happen, it took a toll. There was a lot of tension in their home.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
Mark was unhappy for the fact that I know he wanted to have a big family.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
Well, I don't think that Roger would have ever done what they accused him of doing. All we wanted was his name cleared, you know.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
Is the man still in your house? Yes, he's laying there with a bullet in his head. Did you shoot him? Yes, I shot him. He was killing my wife.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
I know I was sitting next to my husband when I heard the judge say that the verdict was guilty.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
Heartbreak came first. Anger came second. Acceptance came third. and sadness never ends.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
My first thought was to turn around and give Mr. and Mrs. Harrington a hug because they buried a son who the whole city of Springfield felt was a murderer.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
We knew that Roger was innocent and it finally got proven. He was branded a murderer at the time, but then all this came to an end.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
Mommy's feeling very comfortable these days with Bailey. I think we've sort of bonded a little bit.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
Mark was sentenced to life in prison with no parole. He had two counts against him, one for Donna, one for Roger.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
You say I love you? Okay, let me see a kiss. Close up kiss. Close up kiss. Give daddy a kiss.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
Mark was just as excited to become a dad as Donna was to become a mom.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
Donna told me that Mark had a conference. I said to her, why don't you come to Florida? It would be so wonderful. Donna was excited to show off her baby. And as all of her trips, it was always very sad to see her go.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
On this very special day, at this very special house, a very special little baby is going to come live with us.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
I dropped her off at the airport, and she left. We had hired a driver to pick her up this way. She could just take care of the baby.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
She calls me. She tells me this whole story. And I said to her, you had a really crazy driver. But you're home. You're safe. You're going to be OK. She said, I really am really scared.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
This man, he beat my wife. I shot him. Please help me. He was killing my wife.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
Something is off. She's just a little girl. You think she's faking it? She has adult teeth? There are signs of puberty?
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
I don't know what's going on. How old are you? You should get a lawyer. You have no idea how those people hurt this girl.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
Is the man still in your house? Yes, he's laying there on the floor with a bullet in his head.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
It was around 11.03 on a Tuesday evening when all of a sudden we got a phone call.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
I remember screaming, Ira, tell me, tell me what is wrong. And finally he said to me, Sarah Jane, Donna was murdered. And I said to him, murder, what are you talking about? And then I finally said to him, we have to tell the girls and I have to break their hearts. And Wednesday morning, we were on an eight o'clock plane to Springfield.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
I couldn't imagine what an evil person he was and why he would do such a horrendous thing.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
I didn't understand it, but I loved him because he loved Donna. And that's what was important to me. We needed to get him some help.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
So I suggested to Mark that he hire a nanny. And in comes Rebecca, this young, beautiful, tall, blonde nanny who has a heart of gold, wants to help out this poor man.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
Mark asked me to show her all the things about the baby and I felt really good about that.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
There she is. Most beautiful girl in the world. There she is. Someone's here, Bailey. Someone's here. Oh, hey. You're there for lunch.
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
Mark called up one day and he said to me, I just want to tell you some good news. The nanny was pregnant. And I thought, oh my God, what is happening here?
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Bad Romance: Web of Lies
She was outgoing, she loved life. Donna always said what was in her heart and in her mind.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
I got a phone call one night and it was Russ County Sheriff's Department saying, we're out on Jimmy's property, we think he's a missing person.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
It's kind of crazy because he's never left East Texas. He never wanted to. He had no desire to travel. That just wasn't him.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
I was beyond panic at that point to realize there's really something wrong.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
I find it hard to believe in this day and age, all the technology that we have, that somebody could disappear. It's like they were never here.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Man kann sich das Gefühl, die Frustration, die Angst und die Was-Wenns nicht vorstellen. Man ist einfach am schwächsten Punkt, um herauszufinden, was passiert ist. Wie haben wir die Begriffe verpasst? Warum würde jemand ihn verletzen?
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Sie hat gefragt, ob ich jemals jemanden namens Israel Keys gehört habe. Er war ein Serialkiller, der vielleicht etwas mit meinem Onkel Jimmys Verlust zu tun hatte.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
I see that little curl of hair right there. I wouldn't be surprised if that was my Uncle Jimmy's. I hope it's not his hard hat and hair, but I can't imagine what he might have went through if it is.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Ich habe hier schon lange Zeit verbracht. Auf der Straße. Das Fahrzeug wurde hier gefunden.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Ich sollte etwas gefunden haben. Ich erinnere mich darauf, dass ich sagte, dass er nicht zurückkommen wird. Ich musste ihr sagen, dass ich das weiß. Denn sonst ist es einfach... Es ist schwer, dass deine Mutter schmerzt. Ich wusste, dass Onkel Jimmy ihre Person war.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Ich wünschte nur, dass ich ihn anfangen und ihn anfangen könnte. Ich wollte nur, dass er hier sein würde. In all dieser Verrücktheit, in der wir leben, I'd love to see that truck going down this road. But right now this is what we're working with.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Meine Mutter hat über ihr ganzes Leben mit Erdächtigkeit gespürt. Und die Erdächtigkeit hat sich über die Jahre gesteigert. So it's 2009. She was supposed to go meet somebody and she never came back.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Er hatte diese schockierte Ausdruckung. Ich denke an das regelmäßig. Auch wenn sie unter der Influenz eines Drogen war, hätte sie zurückgefallen. Sie hätte eine nachhaltige Impression auf ihren Täter gelegt. Und er war nicht bereit, mit ihr zurückzukämpfen.
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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4
Das ist eine schwierige Pille, die man trinken kann. Auch heute ist das schwierig zu trinken.
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'Radioactive' - Ep. 3: Contaminated
I remember Mom getting a call two or three weeks before she was killed saying, And she had told us then, told Mom then, she was ready to come home. She wanted to come home. She just had some things she had to finish. She had to finish what she had started at Kermagee, trying to help the people there.
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'Radioactive' - Ep. 3: Contaminated
If there is something going wrong, we are going to be susceptible to cancer. We're not going to know about it for 20 years. And some of it's got to be done.
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'Radioactive' - Ep. 3: Contaminated
Karen Silkwood is dead. She lived her last weeks in terror. She was killed for what should be every person's right, the right to better our conditions.
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'Radioactive' - Ep. 3: Contaminated
The same thing that's been going on since she was killed there. It's nothing but a cover-up and sloppy job that they do. And really, it's the only defense they had.
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'Radioactive' - Ep. 3: Contaminated
Well, it made me feel bad, but I should be used to it. They've been doing it since she died. But I know it's not true, so I can live with it.
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'Radioactive' - Ep. 3: Contaminated
I feel like Karen has been vindicated. And what she was saying was true. And I think the American public believes her now. Pearl McGee Corporation out there was running a sloppy organization. It was unsafe. And the health conditions were very poor. That's what she was saying.
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'Radioactive' - Ep. 3: Contaminated
I just think it's wonderful, and I'm finally glad that they've got Karen's name clear. She was only trying to help those people get a clean plant. She was going to quit and come home. She was just trying to help.
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'Radioactive' - Ep. 3: Contaminated
I always thought by now we would have known something. So it kind of surprises me we don't. Somebody out there feels like they've gotten one over on the American public. But I think anybody who's familiar with the case, they know. They know the truth. They see. You see. Or you wouldn't have worked on it this long. Right? True. Very true.
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Road Map to Murder
I pledge allegiance to what I believe in. Live to fight another day of yesterday. Beat me. I ain't getting younger, but I'm getting better. Got no time to waste. That's another man's treasure. They say every dog has his day. These are the days.
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Dirty Little Secret
In Texas, in small counties where they don't have medical examiners, the justices of the peace decide what happens when there's an unexplained or sudden death.
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Dirty Little Secret
They told him they had a suicide note and they had alcohol and that they had pills. And Billy Martin did not order an autopsy.
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Dirty Little Secret
I hurt for her. I hurt that someone hurt enough that they made that choice.
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Dirty Little Secret
There was always the desire in her to be with a daughter that was in heaven now. And she did voice that several times, that Cassidy needed her, she needed Cassidy.
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Dirty Little Secret
Matt had given her a Bible years earlier, and she started writing her feelings in the margins.
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Dirty Little Secret
She says, I want to go with Cassidy. She could never let go of Cassidy. It was such a strong hold on her.
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Dirty Little Secret
Matt, I believe, had been written up at that particular camp for harassing girls that I went to school with.
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Dirty Little Secret
All I can tell you is when she left the facility, was in tears, but nothing that I did.
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Dirty Little Secret
Things have been said that can be misconstrued, misinterpreted, but I can't say this, I never accosted anybody.
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Dirty Little Secret
She loved Matt. when carrie heard allegations that matt had been inappropriate with young women she was his staunchest defender she told one young woman when you marry a baptist preacher women are going to come forward and make false allegations and you have to protect them carrie believed him And we believed Gary. She was telling us the truth as she knew it.
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Dirty Little Secret
I think there's a presumption with a man of God that they have a certain character and a certain ethical base. And we believe that.
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Dirty Little Secret
Anytime you got close to the anniversary of the death of Cassidy or her birthday or holidays, there was definitely a deep sadness.
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Dirty Little Secret
But there was more going on that year. There was the fact that she was uncertain about her relationship with Matt. She sensed that something was very wrong. After Carrie's death, Linda's sisters sat down with Linda and said, we don't believe that Carrie committed suicide.
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Dirty Little Secret
She said, I think Matt's trying to kill me. And then she started laughing, and she said, oh, no, Matt would never do that.
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Dirty Little Secret
I think if truly Carrie went and said that and was fearful for her life, the counselor should have done more and didn't. Looking back, I think it was a scream, the first scream in a series of screams that took place that week of, I'm hurting more than you think I am.
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Dirty Little Secret
At that point, she started to feel a little different. What was going on here and why was this happening?
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Dirty Little Secret
The first really odd thing she noticed was that Matt had continued to call Carrie's cell phone weeks after Carrie had died. It made no sense at all, and then it all started to click. Matt's giving Carrie's phone to someone.
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Dirty Little Secret
At that point, Linda started to think that maybe her sisters were right, and maybe they really did need to look into this.
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Dirty Little Secret
Vanessa Bowles was the daughter of the music minister at Crossroads Church where Matt was the preacher.
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Dirty Little Secret
The relationship really started between my wife and her. They became friends.
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Dirty Little Secret
There were only three young families in the church that had small children. So we naturally just kind of congregated together because we had similar interests. We were friends.
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Dirty Little Secret
Linda went to the Hewitt Police Department. She showed them the phone bills, but they weren't interested. This was a done case. It was over as far as they were concerned.
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Dirty Little Secret
We did. It was nonstop all the time. The assignments Linda gave out involved going through the garbage.
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Dirty Little Secret
I was the assistant director and she was one of the camp counselors. And from day one, we kind of hit it off.
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Dirty Little Secret
My wife said she found them in my briefcase when she was looking for a pen. She said, well, did a kid where you work put them in your bag?
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Dirty Little Secret
But that seemed odd because the pills didn't look like they'd been spit out. What he said couldn't have happened.
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Dirty Little Secret
Carrie fell head over heels. She told the family that she'd met a good Christian boy and she'd fallen in love.
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Dirty Little Secret
And that was the strange thing about it is I question where she would have taken the medicine. Personally, this is my opinion, I don't think the medicine is what killed her. I think she threw up into her mouth but was knocked out enough and choked on it. So, no, I don't know if that's just me trying to put stuff together to make it, you know.
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Dirty Little Secret
Linda ended up making an appointment to talk to a former federal prosecutor.
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Dirty Little Secret
Bill pulled together his own posse. He brought together retired lawmen to take over this investigation.
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Dirty Little Secret
The biggest thing was to get the body exhumed, get an actual autopsy, and find out what had actually happened to Kerry Baker. how she'd actually died.
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Dirty Little Secret
She was so funny. And when Carrie laughed, she laughed with her whole body. Everyone in the room just could feel her because she was just so free-spirited.
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Dirty Little Secret
One of the tasks that Linda took on for herself was investigating Unisom. She found that it would have taken a great deal to have caused Carrie's death and that she wouldn't have died quickly.
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Dirty Little Secret
I don't think there was ever a question, Carrie was right or not right for me. It was we moved fast. We met in May and married in August.
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Dirty Little Secret
Here they were, the police, in the home of a Baptist minister with a suicide note and sleeping pills and a bottle of alcohol. Well, the police at that point aren't thinking murder. They're thinking that Carrie committed suicide.
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Dirty Little Secret
A month before Carrie's death, they discovered Matt was on the computer searching for the term overdose by sleeping pills.
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Dirty Little Secret
I did search that. I did research to see, can you overdose? Is that even a possibility that I need to worry about, my wife overdosing on sleeping pills?
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Dirty Little Secret
As they continued to go through the computer, they found where he tried to buy Ambien had moved it into a cart to purchase it.
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Dirty Little Secret
I think Carrie on some level understood that she was in danger and she didn't realize that at that point that he was involved with somebody else.
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Dirty Little Secret
No, we were not. One of our rules for our kids was when they turned six years old, they can get earrings. And so we began looking for jewelry, earrings.
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Dirty Little Secret
No, here, take your pacifier out. Say Christmas. Can you give a kiss? The kids came quickly. They look like this perfect young couple with this beautiful baby.
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Dirty Little Secret
It wasn't long after Carrie's death when people came over, they didn't see any pictures of Carrie at all. But there was a picture of Vanessa with the girls. Two of Carrie and Matt's friends came to help with the party. And one of them stayed overnight. And she saw Matt sitting on the couch with Vanessa's head on his lap.
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Dirty Little Secret
And then Cassidy came. It looked to the outside world like everything was just coming together for the bakers.
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Dirty Little Secret
There's no way that he could take a life. I know my sons, and I just don't believe he could do that.
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Dirty Little Secret
My best decision was to move away from there and to move back here to my hometown, where I felt support and felt loved.
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Dirty Little Secret
During this last year, he was a single parent working and taking care of these girls. They emotionally attach to the dead very strongly, the younger ones especially.
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Dirty Little Secret
Pretty much anybody who wanted to talk with him, Matt Baker had an open door.
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Dirty Little Secret
It was a friend. It was a very good friend. But there's nothing there now. I don't believe in adultery. I don't believe in divorce.
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Dirty Little Secret
The problem was that for him was that he changed his story a little bit every time he gave one.
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Dirty Little Secret
One of the police officers found it and handed it to me and I held it in my hands for a brief moment and I looked at the first line and I handed it back and said, I can't read it right now.
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Dirty Little Secret
There's no way I could ever have hurt my wife. I loved her. She's the mother of my children, and I miss her, and I did not hurt my wife.
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Dirty Little Secret
It was frustrating, but I mean, we knew it would take time and we weren't going to stop.
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Dirty Little Secret
People started running around town with bumper stickers that said Justice for Kerry. Love Trump's Evil was underneath it.
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Dirty Little Secret
It turned out that she had a brain tumor. Carrie was devastated, absolutely devastated.
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Dirty Little Secret
When the criminal case was stalled and it wasn't going forward, Bill Johnston filed a wrongful death case. And that allowed him to subpoena Matt Baker for a deposition.
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Dirty Little Secret
It was a scary time, and she struggled in pediatric ICU for 60 days. They started chemotherapy on her.
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Dirty Little Secret
I put the panties on her in the bed as I was getting her out, and then when she was on the floor, I put her shirt on.
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Dirty Little Secret
She needed a lot of care when she came home, but she was expected to recover.
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Dirty Little Secret
The Academy Awards were playing that night, and I remember staying up watching that. I went in and checked on Cassidy and she was fine. I gave her a kiss and said a prayer, checked on her older sister, kissed her, said a prayer and went to bed.
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Dirty Little Secret
When they brought Vanessa Bolson for the grand jury, that was kind of a last ditch effort.
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Dirty Little Secret
The civil case was dropped at that point in order to let the criminal case continue.
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Dirty Little Secret
I followed this story from the first time it hit the Texas newspapers. It was just so fascinating that this had unfolded, especially in Waco, in this city that's just dominated by religion.
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Dirty Little Secret
A little while later, he got back up and went and checked on her a second time. This time he started screaming. Carrie jumped up, ran into the room, found Cassidy and she wasn't breathing at all.
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Dirty Little Secret
This case was one of those cases where all of the attention is focused on one witness, and that one witness was Vanessa Bowles.
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Dirty Little Secret
I yell at my wife as I'm taking her out of the bed, and I put her on the floor, and I begin CPR. She calls 911.
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Dirty Little Secret
They brought Cassidy to the hospital, but they weren't able to save her. Cassidy died.
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Dirty Little Secret
Vanessa Bowles talked about how Matt had ruminated about all the different ways he might kill Carrie.
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Dirty Little Secret
I know we dealt with it differently. We would have discussions about it and pray about it, and it was a struggle.
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Dirty Little Secret
She started writing journals and she just poured out incredible sorrow. She thought she saw Cassidy wherever she went. It was horrible.
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Dirty Little Secret
He came up from behind me, put his hand on my breast, I pushed him away, told him no. He tried to kiss me. Told him no.
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Dirty Little Secret
She talked and talked things through. The death of a child always puts a terrible strain on a marriage. Carrie really fought to keep that marriage together. She loved Matt. She wanted it to work out.
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Dirty Little Secret
It was a long journey for the girls to understand what had actually happened to their mother.
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Dirty Little Secret
She was an amazing mother. And she would fight for any of us. And I just wanted everybody to know the truth.
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Dirty Little Secret
It was a year and a half after Cassidy's death. Carrie found out that she was pregnant. Carrie said that the baby was coming by the grace of God.
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Dirty Little Secret
There was definitely a fear in my wife that I had not seen before. A fear of what if. I lost one, what if we lose another one? I can't handle that.
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Dirty Little Secret
She loved her girls, and she was so strong for them. Cassidy's life was cut short, but she had them.
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Dirty Little Secret
The four of them looked like this perfect little family. You would think, oh, look, they just have it all.
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Dirty Little Secret
Waco is a great city. It's very religious. You can't walk a block without seeing a church.
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Dirty Little Secret
And when Carrie and Matt moved in, they quickly became part of the community.
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Dirty Little Secret
I put my head to her chest and didn't see or feel her chest rising, no air coming out, felt for pulse, nothing.
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Dirty Little Secret
Okay, okay. The 911 operator tells Matt to do CPR, to put Carrie on the floor and start CPR.
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Dirty Little Secret
i did not want the emts to come in and see her naked and so i put her clothes on her for her and as i'm taking her off the bed fluid comes out of her mouth onto the floor and it smells of alcohol you're gonna push down probably two inches with only your lower hand touching her chest you're gonna do it fast and hard 400 times
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Dirty Little Secret
The EMTs go in and they find Carrie on the floor. She's wearing a t-shirt and a pair of underpants.
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Dirty Little Secret
We take our oldest daughter to swim practice that night. On the way, my wife started saying her stomach was hurting her. She just felt nauseated, wasn't feeling very good.
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Dirty Little Secret
It's a Friday night, so they could stay up later. They could stay up until 10 o'clock watching TV. Came back, laid down with my wife. She's still in bed, half asleep, and she wants another drink. She has a drink. I have one, too. She goes to sleep, wakes up at about 11 o'clock and asks me to go get a movie. And I was like, it's 11 o'clock.
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Dirty Little Secret
She goes, well, go get this movie for me and gas up because we have a busy day tomorrow.
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Dirty Little Secret
walk to the bedroom door and it's closed. And I try the knob and it's locked. And I knock on it and call her name, Carrie, Carrie, and there's no response.
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Dirty Little Secret
So I pop the lock and open the door and find her in bed. And it was very eerily similar to walking in the room when I found Cassidy.
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Dirty Little Secret
She had been taking sleeping pills to go to sleep since Cassidy passed away and started taking more and more of them. And we had discussions that you've got to stop doing this. This is too many. This can be dangerous.
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Dirty Little Secret
That was the first time that the word suicide entered my mind. I had no idea at that moment what had happened.
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Unlucky Numbers
People start to talk, hey, have you heard from Abe? No, I haven't heard from him. Have you seen him? No, I haven't seen him either. And that kind of started to snowball when everybody started to realize, you know, I haven't heard from him either.
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Unlucky Numbers
When nobody seen him, for the first couple months, we were like, okay, you know, he did say that he was going to go away for a while and just let things, you know, kind of die down and chill, and then he was going to come back.
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Unlucky Numbers
And the reply was, I don't need nobody filing no missing persons report on me. I'm fine.
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Unlucky Numbers
Before he won the lottery, he was always buying Hallmark cards. He was like, hey, can you come read this card to me? I need something that conveys, like, empathy or sympathy. I asked him one time, I was like, why can't you just read the card? And he looked at me, dead square in the face. He was like, I cannot read.
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Unlucky Numbers
I looked up at him and I looked at the ticket again and I looked up at him. I said you I said you've won $30 million. He said OK, I just wasn't sure I needed somebody I could trust to tell me that. And I was like, do not show this to anybody else. You go to Tallahassee and cash this in immediately.
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Unlucky Numbers
you take the rap he is not going to show up but i guarantee you ronald has killed him i just know it we're like ronald we've never heard of a ronald and ronald's the one he owed the money to yeah they were doing a drug deal no i think ronald killed him for the money abraham had on him abraham had a ton of cash on him like the tune of 800 000 this is a huge development whoever ronald is didi has just admitted for the first time that she knows that abe is dead
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Unlucky Numbers
He helped tons of people in this city. He kept people from going into foreclosure. He paid light bills, phone bills. He honestly did that.
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Unlucky Numbers
I couldn't even talk with him in 10 minutes. His phone was ringing. By the time he'd get off the phone with that one, Another one will call you.
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Unlucky Numbers
Hey, have you heard from Abe? No, I haven't heard from him. Have you seen him? No, I haven't seen him either.
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Unlucky Numbers
He's like, you know, she has her own business. She, you know, know how to run things. She's going to help me with my LLCs.
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Unlucky Numbers
None of his children had heard from him. His mother hadn't heard from him. Nobody had heard from him.
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The Lies Beneath
We used to have this band we called the Rifles and Dandelions instead of Guns and Roses. That was our silly way of coming up with a band.
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Fatal Disguise
They were panicking a little bit that somebody was trying to break into the house. Then, about a week before his murder, Rusty calls 911 again. This time, it's more serious.
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Fatal Disguise
This case is not about what happened. We know what happened. This case is about why. Hemi was like a puppy in love. He felt that he and Andrea were like soul mates.
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Fatal Disguise
On to the latest twist in the so-called daycare murder trial, a Georgia man accused of gunning down his romantic rival.
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Fatal Disguise
His father was a concentration camp survivor, very difficult man, very distant man, not very loving. Our belief was because of his bipolar disorder, he didn't have the capacity to know right from wrong at the time of the shooting of Rusty Snyderman.
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Fatal Disguise
That's the best way he could describe it so that we could understand what he was saying.
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Fatal Disguise
When he comes, I think he's real. OK. Do you think he's real now? What do you think he is? I don't think I'm talking to you and sort of analyzing it. Yeah. Probably not.
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Fatal Disguise
Hemi's goal in shooting Rusty was to save Rusty's children from the same kind of torment that he himself experienced as a child. He thought he was doing the right thing by killing Rusty to save his children.
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Fatal Disguise
I was already pretty late. She found my pajamas, I found my pajamas, and we decided to watch the movie in bed. And we came into bed. And... You had your clothes. No, no. And then I went back to my bed.
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Fatal Disguise
Do you know why Mr. Newman would have emailed a friend that you finally gave in?
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Fatal Disguise
You flew home with him. That's correct. You changed seats to sit next to him. That's how we always traveled.
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Fatal Disguise
Do you know why Mr. Newman would have emailed a friend that you finally gave in?
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Fatal Disguise
The gun, in this case, was in Hemi's hand. But the trigger, I respectfully suggest, was pulled by Andrea Snyderman.
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Fatal Disguise
We were devastated because he still goes into the prison system instead of a mental hospital. He had not testified at trial, and I think he wanted to be heard.
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Fatal Disguise
I was hoping Hemi would point a finger at Andrea to lessen his sentence. He never, never considered that option. Hemi continued to express his love for her.
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Fatal Disguise
The prosecution had no right to subpoena experts that we hired that we did not intend to call as witnesses.
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Fatal Disguise
Hemi will never get out of prison. He's going to live his life regretting his actions, regretting that he has no relationship with his own children, regretting that he lost everything.
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Fatal Disguise
Just shocked that it happened here. This shooting has shaken the school and the community to its core.
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Forever Young: Who Killed JonBenét Ramsey?
My phone rang. Pam, they've got her. What do you mean they've got her? They've kidnapped JonBenet. She's gone.
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Bad Romance: Doomsday's Bride
He goes, well, you're the closest one to her. You're the only one that'd probably be able to talk to her. Tragically, their plans were cut short with Charles' death.
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Bad Romance: Doomsday's Bride
She's psychologically, she's gone. Something's happened to her. Turns out all the things that Charles told me were true.
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Bad Romance: Doomsday's Bride
It sounds like what you're describing is a slow change. That is exactly what happened. And then I think when Lori started seeing Chad, I think then that's when the lying started.
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Bad Romance: Doomsday's Bride
The thing I think about it is I think that they really believed that they were gonna get away with whatever plan they had. Authorities determined Lori's brother, Alex, seems bound up in all the beliefs and mysteries. When Lori started listening to these podcasts, she was telling Alex, you know, about these books, read these books. And Alex, being a truck driver, he had all this time.
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Bad Romance: Doomsday's Bride
So he went on the overboard too. Eight hours of nothing but listening to books or listening to these podcasts.
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Bad Romance: Doomsday's Bride
All my memories of them are good. Laughing, running around, chasing JJ around, playing games with Tylee. All those memories are all good. I don't remember one bad memory or even about their deaths. I don't know if I block that completely out because I'm focusing on the good things that I remember.
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Bad Romance: Doomsday's Bride
I'll tell you that right now. What was JJ like? So funny. Lori did a great job of raising JJ. JJ's autistic, and he learned so many things. Every time I went to go visit him, he would be smarter and smarter.
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Bad Romance: Doomsday's Bride
They say things escalate even further when 16-year-old Tylee hears the argument and gets involved. I don't know if she swung at him or what, but he grabbed the bat from Tylee and then went to hit Tylee with the bat.
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Bad Romance: Doomsday's Bride
I didn't believe that at all. Why not? Not one bit. I think Lori and Alex had conspired to kill Charles when he was going to come pick up JJ.
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Bad Romance: Doomsday's Bride
Charles had called me and he said, I'm at my end of the rope. I don't know what else to do.
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Bad Romance: Doomsday's Bride
Lori's mindset was off. It was definitely off. And she goes, you think I'm crazy, don't you? I was like, I don't know if you're crazy, but what you're telling me is not normal. And this is not happening to you. And from that point, she tried to cut everything off with me. Adam tried to help. He worked with Charles to plan an intervention. Well, what can I do to help?
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Fire and Vice
Here's the deal. If anything, if we make bad decisions, we make them based in love.
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Fire and Vice
I was working at the Dollar General, and he came in, and when he handed me the money, he made sure to touch my hand and, like, look me in the eyes and make it clear that he enjoyed what he was looking at.
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Fire and Vice
Larry was always really gentle with my mom. I don't think I've ever seen her happier.
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Fire and Vice
Immediately. He presented it like it was an accident. He just wanted to live a normal life and stay out of jail.
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Fire and Vice
At first, I was like, oh, that's not great. But then slowly, like, I mean, my mom convinced us. She was like, you know, he's a changed man. He was very warm. He was very nice.
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Fire and Vice
This legacy of integrity is what the foundation of the fire department is built upon.
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Fire and Vice
Why delete it then? Because I typically delete all. No, you don't. You deleted it. And then you didn't tell me about it. And then now we're here. You're lying. And I'm not accusing you. I'm showing you facts of why you've lied. Your story doesn't add up.
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Fire and Vice
47-year-old Elizabeth Foxdor was arrested and charged with obstruction of justice.
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Fire and Vice
Robbie Doris' wife tonight is in jail on no bond for deleting a phone call she allegedly received before calling 911.
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Fire and Vice
When my mom, Mandy, was released, she was freaking out. Her fiance had buried guns that she knows he's not allowed to have in our backyard, which is where we buried our pet cat at some point. So that was also not great.
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Fire and Vice
He not once did that to me and never made me feel unsafe. He just made me feel loved.
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Fire and Vice
An Evansville man convicted of murder more than 20 years ago finds himself back in police custody tonight.
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Fire and Vice
I have a core memory of waking up at four in the morning and it was my mom screaming at Larry because he had a dating app on his phone. And she was screaming, you know, like, who are these people? And he was just saying, baby, baby, baby, calm down. Like, I forgot I had these apps.
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Fire and Vice
I thought we'd been out with him three times. That's what I thought. The detectives told me that she cheated. Yeah, I say they both cheated on me. You know, her more so than him. I hadn't known him that long. She'd been my sister my whole life. Sisters don't do that to each other, so...
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Fire and Vice
Our top story tonight, charges have been dropped against the wife of a murdered Evansville firefighter seven months after they were filed.
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Fire and Vice
It's my dad. I need to get down there. I understand. You're not going through this crime scene. Okay. Well, then get my mother down here. Her name is Elizabeth Doerr.
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Fire and Vice
And I was waiting for her to say something to me, and I said, Mom, what's that on your hand? She goes, oh, nothing. I called her in a fit of anger, a murdering .
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Fire and Vice
There were times that I really wish that the camera was not on me. I have no control.
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Fire and Vice
I go broke. I can't pay my loans. I start an OnlyFans, but only you guys subscribe.
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Fire and Vice
He said he doesn't have any enemies. He's a firefighter. He's a recluse. Whenever he goes to the fire station, he goes to his little room. He stays there until he's needed. The thing is, this is very odd.
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Fire and Vice
Yeah, because there is no evidence that I asked anybody to hurt, much less kill Rod. None.
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Fire and Vice
I love her, and I forgive her. I know that she did a bad thing, and I wish she would have done it.
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Fire and Vice
I've already told fire very specifically that they have to stay outside the table.
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Fire and Vice
Robbie Dorr was shot and killed outside his Oakley Street home. This is a bad nightmare. Didn't have an enemy in the world. Everybody loved him.
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Fire and Vice
We played. We traded stickers. We jumped on the trampoline. Wham. Not in trouble.
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Fire and Vice
That one's me. Math Becky. That was at the 4-H fair. That one's Taylor. I think it's some baby shark.
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The Code Breakers
Today, the family is together remembering Kathy and the anniversary of her death.
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The Code Breakers
I think, yeah, probably the worst thing for me is the why. Why? Why did it have to happen like, something like that?
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I Have Killed For You
Maybe somebody saw her somewhere at a bus station, at a train station, in a cab, at the mall. We're trying to get any kind of lead that'll take us where we need to go.
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I Have Killed For You
Right. And it wasn't without leads. Somebody would say they'd saw somebody similar in Pontoon Beach, Applebee's in Kansas City. But none of them appeared to have much merit.
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I Have Killed For You
Right. Right. It turns out that her stepdaughter, Heather Woodward, had been reported missing to the East Alton Police Department more than a week before.
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I Have Killed For You
After Bonnie adopted them, it was made very abundantly clear they're in the family. Like, those are her kids.
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I Have Killed For You
It was an unhappy teenager, and it was a stepmom giving her chores to do, and there was a little resistance. At some point they argue, and Heather wants to move out, and Bonnie initially doesn't resist the idea.
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I Have Killed For You
I can't see it. I can see her being loud with anybody, child or not, and just being vocal, but not abusive. There was no way.
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I Have Killed For You
The teachers, I believe her heart was in the right place as she's trying to help this 17-year-old child.
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I Have Killed For You
Bonnie went knocking on doors. It was driving Bonnie nuts because she couldn't find her.
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I Have Killed For You
We think the two events have to be linked some way. Two missing persons from the same house, one a juvenile and one adult, like, you almost have to believe they're related. Like, it's really naive to think they're not.
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I Have Killed For You
I felt like Heather had the answers that we needed. We believed she was the key to finding Bonnie.
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I Have Killed For You
They got Heather, took her to the police station, and I thought, man, they're going to find out something now.
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I Have Killed For You
She loved what she did. She went to work, she worked her shift, and then would come home to her children every night, as well as Gary Wilmorth, who she was dating at the time.
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I Have Killed For You
July 3rd is her 18th birthday, so she's a bona fide adult in the state of Illinois, but she talks more like a, well, I don't want to be insulting, but like a grade school student or a junior high student.
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I Have Killed For You
What do you mean by that? Like, why are you showing up at a library? Who brought you? Where did you come from? Where have you been? Something doesn't smell right? Pretty much.
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I Have Killed For You
Gary knew that she had some sort of staff meeting after work from 2 to 3, so he really wasn't expecting her home until, you know, 3.34.
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I Have Killed For You
Yeah, it's DCFS, Department of Children and Family Services, and they had been involved before.
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I Have Killed For You
I don't know if she was intentionally manipulating adults, but that was definitely what happened.
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I Have Killed For You
She was very resistant to talk at all about where she had been or what she's been doing and who with.
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I Have Killed For You
There was times I could be at a store, pass somebody on the street, could be the color of their hair. I remember talking to her grandbabies. They said, are you going to bring Grandma back? You got a picture of these little bitty girls looking at me. Where's Grandma? I just thought in my heart she was going to come back. And I wasn't taking no for an answer. She was coming back.
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I Have Killed For You
The police department had learned that she had been at the Carroll house. Heather had told Roger Carroll and Monica Carroll that she had run away from home because Bonnie was mean to her and that she had gone to the Carroll house to hide from Bonnie until she turned 18.
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I Have Killed For You
After she didn't return home, her family members, they reached out, they tried to call her, they tried to text her, and no response.
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I Have Killed For You
The Carrolls go to the same church in Wood River, so the Carrolls get to know Heather, I think, on church-related activities.
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I Have Killed For You
He's in his 40s with the brownish gray hair, 5'10-ish. His primary car is a silver 2005 Chevrolet Malibu, which is the suspect vehicle description.
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I Have Killed For You
You are Roger William Carroll, Jr. I don't want to answer any more questions until we speak with our attorney. OK. You decided to evoke your right to counsel, correct? Yes, sir.
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I Have Killed For You
He brought Nathan with him, got up and left at 7 o'clock in the morning on June 25th, Friday morning, the day Bonnie disappeared.
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I Have Killed For You
There wasn't enough to link Roger Carroll or Monica Carroll to Bonnie's disappearance. However, both of them at that time were charged with harboring a runaway.
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I Have Killed For You
She worked really hard to get that truck. She absolutely loved it. So she wouldn't have just left it.
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I Have Killed For You
I think anybody that is just trying to locate a loved one often feels like somebody's not talking or somebody's lying.
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I Have Killed For You
We didn't know technically if she was alive or dead in the months that followed. None of her family members heard from her.
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I Have Killed For You
Right. I got a phone call from my evidence technician who told me we got a hit on the prints. It's Roger Carroll's. So Roger Carroll's fingerprints are on this driver's door.
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I Have Killed For You
So then Heather calls you guys? Yes. I could hear her crying. She was just frantic, you know?
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I Have Killed For You
Right. So she kind of... played on your soft hearts and said, can I come stay there?
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I Have Killed For You
As far as Bonnie, you've never had a conversation with that woman? and you've never been face-to-face with that woman. You know where she lives, but you've never, other than you've driven by there, like two times, right? Yes, that's correct. And you've never been in her vehicle, and you've never had occasion to handle her vehicle or touch her vehicle. That's correct.
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I Have Killed For You
Bonnie survived breast cancer. She was a fierce mother to four children.
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I Have Killed For You
So finally I was, at the end of the interview, I was like, how do we explain it that your fingerprints are all over her driver's door? He stumbled just a bit and says... They're not constrained.
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I Have Killed For You
He's asking, like, my prints aren't on that door. I'm like, well, yes, they are.
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I Have Killed For You
So he denied it still. And the interview terminated pretty quick after that.
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I Have Killed For You
When you take somebody to trial for first degree murder, you better be right and you better be ready because you only get one shot.
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I Have Killed For You
We still didn't have Bonnie's remains. We didn't know if Bonnie was alive or dead at that time. And what we did know is that Roger Carroll was lying. Roger Carroll, based on the lies that he told, was charged with the offense of obstruction.
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I Have Killed For You
What was that like for your family? I know that it was very hard emotionally for many family members.
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I Have Killed For You
I got a call from Roger Carroll's neighbor, and he's asking me, he's like, do you know what's going on at the Carroll's house?
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I Have Killed For You
Heather was about 17 years old at this time, and Aaron was special needs, and she cared for him every day.
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I Have Killed For You
She was the aunt that took a second to actually listen to you if something was going on. And she had a big personality? Oh, yeah, no, huge personality. Very loving. Her house is where a lot of the cousins all congregated. She had this little case in her living room and she'd have little figurines and random stuff that had dolphins on it. None of it made sense to me, but she loved them.
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I Have Killed For You
I don't remember what shift she worked or the days, but I remember those were in conversation.
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I Have Killed For You
I just remember thinking that it was very odd that he's asking all these details.
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I Have Killed For You
Looking back on it now, I've been scared for a long time, but I just, I wasn't to the point to admit it yet.
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I Have Killed For You
He said, I have killed for you. I have hurt a lot of people. But I killed for you. And I think that's Bonnie.
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I Have Killed For You
Yes, we both aged a lot, and probably me more than him. After the domestic, he was clearly suicidal. And so when I see him, it's not his best day. You know, I had to say a word, but if you want to hear me out, I think it might be worth your while, but it's your prerogative. You're driving this bus.
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I Have Killed For You
I had started it with, hey, Roger, you don't have to say anything if you don't want, but we've opened this case. This train's coming down the road. I think what's going to happen now is that this is a homicide investigation, and it's moving in that direction. I was basically telling him, charges on this case are now imminent. But some of the intimate details and the specific details, only you know.
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I Have Killed For You
It's the right thing to do for Bonnie herself, also the right thing for you. There's no way. You're enjoying living with this.
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I Have Killed For You
We've opened this case. This train's coming down the road. Like, I'm giving you an opportunity to try to mitigate the circumstances. Are you comfortable with the whole situation? I could, I mean... Well, no.
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I Have Killed For You
That guy interviewed him for an hour and some change, and really for 55 minutes, he just didn't speak.
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I Have Killed For You
That things weren't right? When he said that he's killed people... for me to protect me and Nathan. I know that's not right. I know it's not right that he should kill someone, feel that he has a right to kill someone to protect me.
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I Have Killed For You
He made it sound like it'd be my fault if something happened to our family, if I ever taught. So I didn't want to be the one to be the cause of our family.
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I Have Killed For You
I told Nathan. That Roger told me, I have killed for you. And he was like, don't ever repeat that, Mom. Don't ever repeat it.
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I Have Killed For You
Nicole Kidman returns for the Hulu original Nine Perfect Strangers Season 2.
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I Have Killed For You
Breathe in. Breathe out. Why are you resisting? Is it too late to get a refund?
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I Have Killed For You
The all-new season of Nine Perfect Strangers is now streaming on Hulu and Hulu and Disney+. New episodes Wednesdays.
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I Have Killed For You
I honestly do believe that he did away with Bonnie Woodward. I don't know how. I don't know how.
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I Have Killed For You
We doubled down on the theory that Nathan was likely with Roger at the time that Bonnie disappeared.
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I Have Killed For You
We made several attempts to talk to Nathan, and he refused to talk to law enforcement.
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I Have Killed For You
He broke down, and he started crying, and he said he was going to tell us everything.
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I Have Killed For You
That's kind of a thing maybe you see on TV with people breaking down in the courtroom and spilling the beans in the courtroom, but it really never happens. But it did.
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I Have Killed For You
Sitting in the room was 12 grand jurors, myself and Jennifer and Nathan's attorney. It was absolute silence. You could hear the clock tick.
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I Have Killed For You
Then after they get home, Roger changed clothes, clipped his fingernails, he shaved, and retrieved his Stoger 9mm from the house and left and left Nathan there by himself.
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I Have Killed For You
The tent in the backyard was essentially a death trap to lure Bonnie to the backyard and not into the residence.
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I Have Killed For You
when you heard the scope of what he confessed to what went through your mind i don't think we thought fire or burned on a brush pile talk about being haunted right like not only is roger creating a horrible thing to him for him to live with it seems like he created a horrible thing for his son to live with after his grand jury testimony nathan brings investigators back to the house
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I Have Killed For You
The second site that Nathan took law enforcement to was what we refer to as the burn pit.
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I Have Killed For You
Law enforcement were able to find 27 pieces of what they believed to be bone fragment that were collected and sent off to the lab to see if any DNA or any connection could be made to Bonnie.
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I Have Killed For You
Based on the version of events that Nathan gave, we felt comfortable charging Roger Carroll with first degree murder of Bonnie Woodward.
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I Have Killed For You
I thought everybody'd give up. I mean, I didn't know what else to do. And him being charged with Bonnie's murder gave me life again. And I thought, let's do it.
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I Have Killed For You
The why question is very difficult in this case because there's not a clear-cut motive.
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I Have Killed For You
One of the early things was how Bonnie Woodward was really regular with cashing her paycheck. The day she disappeared was payday, and she would, every time she was paid on Fridays, she would take that check to the bank.
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I Have Killed For You
We took note that now it had been eight years that Bonnie had not been seen. So one of the first steps we had to take was to have Bonnie officially declared deceased and were able to obtain a death certificate based on the circumstantial evidence that she had not been seen.
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I Have Killed For You
A lot of the trial was built around corroborating what he was telling us was the truth. We didn't want the jury to just have to take Nathan's word for it. We wanted to show that it fit and matched all the forensic evidence in this case.
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I Have Killed For You
We were never actually able to find DNA of Bonnie Woodward on these bone fragments. We were able to say that these were bone fragments believed to be of human origin, but we could not definitively say that they were Bonnie Woodward's.
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I Have Killed For You
Nathan identified the burn spot on this ridge behind the house. And where the burn spot was is a sassafras tree. The sassafras tree has a scarred spot on the bark several feet up the tree.
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I Have Killed For You
Cut slices out of the tree. We sent him off to a botanist. He examined the tree, its age, its growth rings, and said that tree was damaged in the early growing season of 2010, spring or summer.
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I Have Killed For You
Her testimony, it pretty much tracked with that, but it was clear to those involved that she had not participated in her mother's death.
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I Have Killed For You
He wouldn't look back at me for nothing. I kept looking across where he was, and he wouldn't look at me. So I started talking to the jury to my right, and I said he took away a good woman, mother. I let them know what kind of person Bonnie was.
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I Have Killed For You
Roger did not testify at trial. It's his choice whether or not to testify, and he decided not to.
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I Have Killed For You
We were notified that the jury had a verdict, so we all went back to the courtroom, and those moments are always very tense.
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I Have Killed For You
Wilmuth, W-I-L-M-U-R-T-H. Bonnie was the love of my life, and she was a good-hearted woman. And, I mean, she put up with me, and, I mean, that wasn't easy.
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I Have Killed For You
At the sentencing hearing, Roger was given the opportunity to make a statement to the court, and he chose to use that time to be defiant.
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I Have Killed For You
When I heard the jury found him guilty, that was a blessing to my ears to hear. Wish he could have got more time than he did.
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I Have Killed For You
At least they did lock him up. I gave him that. The police finally making him pay for what he did. Roger Carroll robbed her kids, her grandkids, friends, family. But we won't never forget her. And we won't forget him.
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I Have Killed For You
I know, she definitely did. Like, even, especially with family, like, didn't matter what you did. she would figure out a way to just make it better. You really loved her.
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I Have Killed For You
Sometimes I'll look up at the sky and tell her I don't know if I'll be there, but I hope someday I will and see you again.
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I Have Killed For You
No, little money problem, you know, because construction's slow. Right. But we've been working it out. I mean, I'm not a good boy. I mean, I've had a record myself in the past. I've paid my time. And Bonnie knew that. Bonnie still loved me. She didn't care what I did in my past. And these cops sure did.
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I Have Killed For You
Alton, it's a nice little town. It's situated on the Mississippi River and the Illinois River. It has a vibrant downtown, a lot of history, and it's a great place to live and work.
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I Have Killed For You
Maybe somebody saw her somewhere at a bus station, at a train station, in a cab, at the mall.
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I Have Killed For You
Well, because she wouldn't just not come home. I just remember having a stack of flyers and going around and putting them on every telephone pole that I could.
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I Have Killed For You
Wanda Bosley was one of the co-workers that worked with Bonnie at the Eunice Smith Nursing Home.
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I Have Killed For You
She did get into the car willingly, and it did not appear that she was forced or anything like that.
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I Have Killed For You
Her ex-boyfriend Chester, Nick Adams. Chester's dad has a 2009 Impala, if you put Impala and the Malibu side by side, they're just a little bit of difference. It'd be hard to tell the difference. That's true. Who does this guy sound like to you?
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I Have Killed For You
Chester McAdams. That's the only guy I can figure out that fits the description that's, it's Chester. I mean, I don't like to pinpoint a guy out, but Chester fits every description. And like the silver Impala. His dad has a silver Impala.
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I Have Killed For You
Bonnie started to see him, and then I showed back up in the picture and ran him off. Me and Bonnie's been together probably seven or more years. We parted about a little over two years, and that's when she got with that Chester guy and You and Chester ever have words? Oh, big time. Big time hate each other? Oh, I mean, I'd run into him at the bar.
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I Have Killed For You
He was mad because me and Bonnie got back together. So I kind of thought maybe he was upset and might have did something to her.
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I Have Killed For You
The family largely was saying, hey, you guys need to look at Chester McAdams. When we found Chester McAdams, he's got a beard, he's got a ponytail.
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Family Lies?
My father, while he lived a small life, he was a very large man. And to know him, you could never forget him.
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Family Lies?
This person killed at least once that we know of. This person's gotten away with murder. And chances are, it will happen again.
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Family Lies?
My father has an elaborate estate. I mean, the man's worth at least 40 to $50 million. It's huge. You wouldn't know it going into the house. That's the only reason why I'm bringing up my father's financial work. It's because looking at this house, you would not know that he has a 25,000 square foot house up in New Hampshire.
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Family Lies?
That was the plan, and he wanted me to come too. And, you know, I said, look, you know, you guys go do it. If I only knew what I knew, you know, now.
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Family Lies?
Linda always felt that she deserved more than what she was getting. I don't know why she felt that way. I don't know, because she and my dad were always butting heads.
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Family Lies?
I know he led a very lonely life. You know, it's at the age where kids were being invited to birthday parties and, you know, having play dates. and nobody was calling for Nathan to go to the birthday party. It was sad, and she hated that for her child. Any mother would hate it if her child wasn't included in anything. But yeah, it must have been hard for Linda not being able to fix that.
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Family Lies?
Linda was a fixer. Linda had to fix things, or at least try to fix things, and she just could not fix that.
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Family Lies?
One of my sisters had called me and said, Linda and Nathan are missing. I kind of freaked out.
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Family Lies?
Linda always did a float log. And when Linda got back, she'd call her friend Sharon, and Sharon never received a phone call.
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Family Lies?
Linda always felt that she deserved more than what she was getting because she and my dad were always butting heads.
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Family Lies?
If you laid on that couch for eight days and you got up to go to the bathroom, your legs would be wobbly because you haven't used them.
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Family Lies?
I looked at historical data. I looked at thermal images of the Gulf Stream rings. All these different systems showed the currents going westward, and Nathan claimed he drifted eastward. And that did not make any sense.
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Family Lies?
That was a small victory for me because at least a little bit of justice was prevailing through it all.
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Family Lies?
I was very relieved that Nathan was going to be put behind bars. If Nathan was not arrested and not contained, I really think he would have gone on a murder spree.
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Family Lies?
I got a call in the morning. Nathan was gone. And he hung himself. And I just cried.
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Family Lies?
What I'd like people to remember about my dad, he was kind, he was loving. He'd give you a hard time, but he always did it out of love. Linda was so kind and generous to her friends and the people around her. And I remember all the good times that Linda and I had.
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Family Lies?
He's a guy that did it himself. I mean, I love that guy, you know, and he loved me.
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Family Lies?
Every day. Yep. We went to the cemetery today. Nathan's got a stone there next to my uncle. Why is he buried there? There's no stone there for my cousin Linda. Where's her stone?
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Family Lies?
Nathan should be remembered as a troubled soul. I'm happy, I'm relieved that Nathan was buried in the family plot next to my dad. Nathan the child belongs where he is. He needs to rest.
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Family Lies?
Cruz and Nathan had a very tight bond. It was definitely his best friend, his confidant. I went to the stable once with Linda and Nathan. We were ready to leave the stable. I said, well, where's Nathan? Go on in and get Nathan. She's like, no, Nathan loves to spend time with Cruz alone before we leave.
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Family Lies?
And he was there for probably a good half hour, if not longer, just spending time with Cruz and his stall.
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Family Lies?
My dad had five sisters and four daughters, and then he had his first grandchild. I think Linda was really excited that she had a boy to bring into my dad's life.
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Family Lies?
I mean, there's not really even words for it. He had such great hopes for that kid.
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Family Lies?
I think they were all different, different individuals. Elaine was the oldest. The next one down was Linda. She was more like John personality-wise. Charlene is the next one down. Valerie's the youngest. I think she was kind of like the apple of John's eye.
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Family Lies?
He kind of treated him the same way that he treated me when I was a kid. You know, I mean, he couldn't do enough for him. The only problem with it is that John always looked at a problem, if there's a problem, if you throw enough money at it, it's gonna solve it.
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Family Lies?
Oh, my God. Oh, my God. The front door was locked. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I don't even know what to do. I don't even know where to look.
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Family Lies?
I came to check on my father to pick him up for an activity. He is in bed and someone shot him in the head. I don't think so. I walked into the bedroom and there's blood all over the back wall.
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Family Lies?
When I saw the news and my dad being brought out in a body bag and them saying it was a murder, I lost it. I lost it. I fell to the floor and I'm crying hysterically.
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Mountain of Lies
I guess it was about 10 o'clock at night. We got a text from Harold. Tony's been hurt. She's critical. Please pray. There was one more text that followed, and it said, my bride is gone. Just was inconceivable. We just couldn't believe it.
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Mountain of Lies
It was probably about 1030 Central Time that night. Who told you? Was it Harold or the Rangers? Actually, Harold. He had texted.
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Mountain of Lies
And I thought, wow, he just seemed kind of together for having gone through what he went through.
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Mountain of Lies
Harold called me and asked me to officiate the memorial service. He had this service entirely planned. He'd already put together a video montage of Tony.
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Mountain of Lies
We arrive in Denver and the whole time he never saw him cry. He never said, you know, I loved your sister. You know, never heard any of that kind of thing out of him.
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Mountain of Lies
We had to literally line up in order in order to walk back in for Tony's funeral.
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Mountain of Lies
It's like we were sequestered, you know, and we could only come out when we were told to come out.
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Mountain of Lies
You know, I'm all the way positioned at the back because everything was planned out just like Harold always does.
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Mountain of Lies
I'm thinking to myself now, if Paula died, I'd be over here in a little puddle of mush. He has all this ready to go, and he's proud of it. The odd thing is that Tony was the one that died, but Harold's got most of the photos in there of him. What do you mean? There would be pictures of him and Haley, or him, Tony, and Haley, but not all of them were even about Tony.
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Mountain of Lies
I thought that I was helping by doing that. We were making on our part to get justice. He had established a wall there. And so for us to continue to see Haley, we had to see him. And so it was like a price of admission. The real jewel was Haley.
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Mountain of Lies
My parents are buying the house, they're buying the car, they're paying for the tuition. That doesn't make sense.
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Mountain of Lies
Every year on their anniversary, Harold would plan a trip with Tony. Typically, a phone would ring, hey, Lee, this is Harold. Tony and I are going to go on this little honeymoon trip. Could you take care of Haley for the weekend?
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Mountain of Lies
One is under a car in the middle of the night. And then Tony was on the edge of a dangerous cliff.
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Mountain of Lies
I believe that the closer you are to Harold, the more likely that he's going to harm or kill you.
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Mountain of Lies
Absolutely. I think that he was preying on and utilizing Christian ideals to manipulate people.
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Mountain of Lies
When I would call out there, he would answer the phone. Did you see a change in your sister? When she moves to Colorado, she's in the shadow. And she's now a different person. She's a trained person. She's almost like a beaten dog.
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Mountain of Lies
There was a series of text messages saying Tony had been involved in an accident and then things were critical.
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Mountain of Lies
I later found out from the neighbors, they said her face was empty. She didn't smile. It was kind of like a blank stare.
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Mountain of Lies
The first call we got from Barry, he said that Tony had an accident and she was in serious condition and it didn't look good. Of course we prayed that God would intervene and save Toni. And then he called back and said that she was gone. Three horrible words.
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Mountain of Lies
We found out later that, you know, Tony's actually crying in the ambulance on the way over. And she said, well, what really happened to me?
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Mountain of Lies
There's just no way. We knew Tony Henthorne had bad knees. It just didn't make sense.
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Mountain of Lies
I reached out to Special Agent Johnny Grusing of the FBI and asked him if he would jump in and assist and work with Beth.
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Mountain of Lies
If Harold truly killed not only Tony, but his first wife Lynn, and we had him still running around in society, we needed to act quickly.
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Mountain of Lies
If you're going to be a good predator, if you're going to be a good wolf in sheep's clothing, you have to look like a sheep. Harold had to condition himself to show emotion.
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Mountain of Lies
I think Harold is different than most psychopaths because he's not someone who's going to hurt a stranger. He's fine to strangers. But I believe that the closer you are to Harold, the more likelihood that he's going to harm or kill you.
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Mountain of Lies
She was very athletic and she really excelled and she was very, very smart at the top of her class.
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Mountain of Lies
Yeah, we were very concerned about Haley. He wasn't treating her like a dad should treat his daughter. He was controlling her in a very unhealthy way.
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Mountain of Lies
Tony always wanted to be a medical doctor. She felt like ophthalmology would basically allow her to do what she loved and give her some downtime and some family time.
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Mountain of Lies
But ultimately, it ended up in a divorce, and to have a failed marriage and have that disappointment, I don't think she ever really accepted that.
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Mountain of Lies
I think that she went through a period where she had to recollect herself. She did pour herself into her medical practice.
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Mountain of Lies
We thought, really, he's a danger. This man has killed supposedly two wives, and the last thing we wanted was him going home to his child.
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Mountain of Lies
Our primary concern when we arrested Harold was that he was going to create some sort of hostage or dangerous situation with Haley if he knew his freedom was at risk. So we had FBI agents watch his routine from when he woke up to when he took her to the church school and then when he went back home. So when we got the warrant, we knew exactly what he was going to do.
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Mountain of Lies
My superiors were wondering if we should strike some sort of deal with Harold ahead of time just because everybody's primary concern was Haley.
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Mountain of Lies
Tony Hanthorne got regular royalty checks from her family because they're in the oil industry.
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Mountain of Lies
I think he had laid a trap for Tony, and he was committed now to carrying that through.
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Mountain of Lies
Once I saw him using that tower, I'm like, that planning goes back over a month and a half before her death. Everything else made sense from this because how Harold knew the location when he called 911, how he had geocoordinates, how he would know he even had cell service there, how he knew that there was a cliff there.
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Mountain of Lies
On September 9th, he spent from 10.30 a.m. to almost 9 p.m. in the park, 11 hours up there. I think this is when he found his spot. On the way back is when he started calling Tony's eye clinic. He started arranging everything for this anniversary trip.
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Mountain of Lies
After this trip. He wanted an isolated spot where nobody would be there to save Tony. And then here's where he starts making the calls to set everything in motion.
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Mountain of Lies
The planning that Harold put into this, you're not going to have a smoking gun. But that planning and premeditation points towards intent, which points towards first degree homicide.
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Mountain of Lies
I think Harold's lawyer strategy is to figure out what our case is and where he can poke holes in it.
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Mountain of Lies
To tie Lynn's death to Tony's death, we needed to show that they were similar in a variety of ways. Harold had a lot to gain financially because of the insurance money. One is under a car in the middle of the night. Tony was under a deck in the middle of the night when the beam fell on her head. And then Tony was on the edge of a dangerous cliff.
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Mountain of Lies
When you first meet Harold, you are very impressed. He does come across as polite, he's cordial, he's very engaging.
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Mountain of Lies
So Harold's lawyer recognized that you couldn't explain away all of Henthorne's quirks. He sort of embraced him and said, sure, he might be quirky, but that doesn't make him a murderer. Truman's strategy in general was to try to make Lynn's death seem very innocent. Law enforcement closed the case within a week, so this is a big nothing.
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Mountain of Lies
What I think had a big impact on the jurors was having about two or three park rangers talk them through how difficult it was to get up there and then how dangerous it was to be there.
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Mountain of Lies
The prosecution gets two closes. I did the first close, and Valeria did what's called a rebuttal.
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Mountain of Lies
Truman really hammered home that you can't tell the difference between a fall from a push. So after closing arguments, the case goes to the jury.
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Mountain of Lies
The judge reads the verdict. In the matter of the United States v. Harold Henthorne, we, the jury, find the defendant guilty. There was like audible whoops of joy that came out of the courtroom. I was just so, so happy.
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Mountain of Lies
When Haley came to us, she was almost afraid to do anything without permission. So it took her a while to figure that out. But it didn't take her long at all to, I think, attach. You know, I think she was hungry for a loving parent.
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Mountain of Lies
Haley gives herself the gift of forgiveness, and so she can lead the life that Tony wants her to have.
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Mountain of Lies
Initially, he told me that her heart rate was good and her respiration rate was somewhat low, and that she was not conscious.
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The Crime Scene: Wife of Green Beret Charged with His Murder
Starring Ellen Pompeo and Mark Duplass.
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The Crime Scene: Wife of Green Beret Charged with His Murder
Inspired by the shocking stories that tore a family apart.
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The Crime Scene: Wife of Green Beret Charged with His Murder
The Hulu Original Series. Good American Family. New episodes Wednesdays. Streaming on Hulu.
Anatomy of Murder
Last Shift (Savannah Gold)
Today's not a happy day for us. This crime cost my daughter her life. It destroyed another life, and it's impacted many other lives negatively. We are very grateful to all the professionals involved in bringing Savannah home and to those whom have assured her assailant is held accountable.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 5 - Melissa’s Listener Essay
Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 5 - Melissa’s Listener Essay
Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 5 - Melissa’s Listener Essay
And he was just staring at me.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 5 - Melissa’s Listener Essay
Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 5 - Melissa’s Listener Essay
If the cops and everything would have done their job properly, my dad would have been in jail. I would have never existed.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: I Got the Ick
It was my family's mystery.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: I Got the Ick
It was my family's mystery.
Dateline NBC
Murder in Minot
Definitely. For us living in Minot, what we think is a safe community, and who really cares if your doors are locked or not? From that day on, the doors were definitely locked. When it got to be dark, the shades were pulled.
Dateline NBC
Murder in Minot
Very much so. And, you know, she also worked a couple jobs up here in Minot, too. Some of the weekends, she would go back to Butte and help her mom in the store.
Dateline NBC
Murder in Minot
would still be here today. Absolutely, if Anita was alive. I absolutely do.
Dateline NBC
Murder in Minot
We worked together a lot. He would raise money to pay for some of the billboards.
Dateline NBC
Murder in Minot
Oh, in shock. I mean, it's just something you never, ever can prepare yourself for.
Dateline NBC
Murder in Minot
You know, he's waiting for more information from the detectives, and yet he knows he needs to go back to Butte and talk to Sharon and the other two kids. So he stayed for a while, but then he knew he had to leave and go do that. You stayed? I wouldn't leave. What made you stay? Couldn't leave. We had to stay there for her.
Dateline NBC
Murder in Minot
Had to be there. She knew in that instant, everything had changed. From that day on, when it got to be dark, the doors were definitely locked, the shades were pulled.
Dateline NBC
A Walk Through the Woods
We just ask that you do the right thing. Do the right thing for our girls and keep this from happening to the next family.
Dateline NBC
A Walk Through the Woods
It is sad. Nobody even here thought that we would still be looking for somebody in two years in a town this size, but we are.
Dateline NBC
A Walk Through the Woods
Now that the sun is up, the search here has resumed outside Delphi and Carroll County.
Dateline NBC
The Pin at Apartment 210
At first they said, no, we haven't seen that girl. No, we haven't seen that girl. And we almost gave up on knocking on the doors because we were coming to dead ends.
Dateline NBC
The Pin at Apartment 210
Yes. And then finally we realized that her pin drop had coordinates to it. So then we would walk near every door. And down the hallway, just brushing up against the side of the wall, trying to get as close to the coordinates as we possibly could.
Dateline NBC
The Pin at Apartment 210
They had found my sister's to-go bag, like a night bag that she takes to go and stay places.
Dateline NBC
The Pin at Apartment 210
In the desk drawer, they found my sister's credit cards and her driver's license all stacked up neatly in a pile. Also on the desk, a notebook.
Dateline NBC
The Pin at Apartment 210
A couple of days go by and I hadn't heard from her. She called me and she's like, have you heard Jasmine's missing?
Dateline NBC
The Pin at Apartment 210
Very anxious, because even though you know that you're in the right direction, you're terrified of what you're about to find. You have no idea what you're going to find and you don't want to find certain things. So it's just a lot of anxiety, a lot of adrenaline, a lot of, you know, being scared.
Dateline NBC
The Pin at Apartment 210
I think I'm more so just numb to everything that at first you feel just so much anger.
Dateline NBC
The Pin at Apartment 210
The world needed to hear that they didn't just need to look at her as a victim of a crime. They needed to look at her as like this most blessed person that would have just shown random acts of kindness to anybody. What do you want people to know, to remember about Jazzy?
Dateline NBC
The Pin at Apartment 210
Odd, because they were old pictures. It didn't look like the most recent Jazzy.
Dateline NBC
The Pin at Apartment 210
And so we would be able to track her car location through that. But in order for us to be able to do that, we had to log in through her email. So we had to transfer her phone number over to a new phone to be able to access all of that stuff.
Dateline NBC
The Pin at Apartment 210
We forced the door open. Terrified of what you're about to find.
Dateline NBC
The Pin at Apartment 210
I mean, there was no, for 30 o'clock in the morning or two o'clock, whatever time it was.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Dance
Doug was standing in the doorway. His face was red. Like the veins were bulging in his neck. He said, you're f***ing done.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Dance
He pulled a gun out and he was like waving it around. And he pulled the trigger and he shot a hole in the ceiling in the kitchen.
Dateline NBC
Deadly Dance
Yes. His face was red. The veins were bulging in his neck. The way he was looking at me, he didn't even look like Doug. His eyes were black. He said, you're f***ing done. He started coming towards me, and then he lunged at me, and I started pulling the trigger.
Dateline NBC
The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.
To this day, this vile being has showed no remorse, none whatsoever. We, along with our family and friends, have sat quietly and graciously and painfully watched and listened as Michael's good name has been murdered time and time again by those who publicly defend this murderer. Is Michael Brandon resting in peace? I don't think so.
Dateline NBC
The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.
We ask this court that Natalie Cochran be sentenced to life in the state prison for the rest of her natural life. So what did the jury recommend?
Dateline NBC
The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.
To this day, this vile being has showed no remorse, none whatsoever.
Dateline NBC
A murder suspect's brother under scrutiny. Breakthrough in parents' quest for answers. And should jurors question witnesses?
or he's charged in Spain? Okay, okay.
Dateline NBC
A murder suspect's brother under scrutiny. Breakthrough in parents' quest for answers. And should jurors question witnesses?
Major development today in a couple's fight for answers 14 years after their daughter's death.
KAREN: THE RETRIAL
Impasse: S1-E8
Really, this is terrible for a lot of reasons because the family members of John O'Keefe have to be put through this tragedy a second time around, as does, obviously, Karen Reed.
Murder In America
EP. 197: COLORADO - The Mass Shooter Who Fled To Mexico
What's he look like? What's he wearing? He's wearing a gray sweater. I don't know. He wanted to kill me too, but he didn't have no more bullets.
Murder In America
EP. 197: COLORADO - The Mass Shooter Who Fled To Mexico
My son, my son. I know, I know, I know.
Murder In America
EP. 197: COLORADO - The Mass Shooter Who Fled To Mexico
I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I know. I know. I know.
Murder In America
EP. 197: COLORADO - The Mass Shooter Who Fled To Mexico
I know. I need you to relax for me, OK? I was telling her to hurry up. I was telling her to hurry up. I know. I know. I know.
Murder In America
EP. 197: COLORADO - The Mass Shooter Who Fled To Mexico
We always called you guys. Always called you guys about him. Always coming here, doing this and that. You guys don't arrest him. The dad in the mom always spells him out. It's always the same shit. I know. I know. I know. I know. Why? Why me? Why? Why? Why? Why?
My Friend Daisy
Episode 3 - Smile Now, Cry Later
Juan said that his grandson shouted, It's Victor. He hit Daisy. Daisy's mother, Susie, was in the car on her way home.
My Friend Daisy
Episode 3 - Smile Now, Cry Later
It was hard. And especially because where it happened, it was like where she was living. And it's like, what? Like, how can it happen? And nobody saw nothing. Nobody heard anything.
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
You did not win. We accepted your pathetic plea because we wanted you to live in hell for the rest of your life. We love the fact that you'll never see the outside world again. You will never be able to hurt another person again, ever. I don't want to hear your lawyer stand up and speak to this jury or the judge about how hard you had it as a child.
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
You look at these people sitting on Jean Marie's side of the courtroom, and you'll find people who were in much dire situations than you. Cancer, teenage pregnancy, death of a father, divorce, single parents, foster homes, drug addiction, suicide. You name it, these people have sacrificed.
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
So don't give us your sad, pathetic story, because we've seen and done it all, more than you could ever imagine. We don't care. What you did is inexcusable no matter what type of life you've lived. No one else in this room has ever committed murder except for you. I'm a mother of a murdered child, and you had no right to take away from me, her father, and our family.
Sword and Scale
Episode 280
You are evil masqueraded as a human being. Words cannot express the pain and anguish our family and friends have endured since her murder. Your decision to take the life of my daughter with no regard for the effect it may have on others is unimaginable. I think of my daughter, Gina, every single day. I wonder how many people actually think of you every day.
Sword and Scale
Episode 288
First off, if you could just tell us, what is your relationship to Aiden Fucci's family? And how do you know them and what's the relationship there?
Sword and Scale
Episode 288
Through marriage, my husband and Aiden Fuji's mother's husband are first cousins. That morning, we decided to go on a golf cart ride to go see their construction that's being taken in their home. We got there, and we're looking at their kitchen and light pendants, and an officer showed up needing to speak to Aiden and his parents. I soon followed after just to see what was going on.
Sword and Scale
Episode 288
And the officer was asking questions about where the last place Aiden had seen the girl and were there any drugs involved, etc. The officer asked if he could take Aiden so Aiden could show him where the underground tunnels are in the neighborhood. And his mom agreed to that. So Aiden left with the officer in his patrol car and they went to the North Amenity Center.
Sword and Scale
Episode 288
Crystal and I were outside with the children, and I had asked her had she looked in his room to see if she'd seen anything that would be beneficial or strange, and she said no and said that she was going to. So she went up to his room, and I stayed outside with the children. She had came back down, and she had said that his jeans were damp.
Sword and Scale
Episode 288
And I had asked her if they were wet or damp, and she said damp. And I said, okay. Like, her face looked kind of pale, and I said, what else? And she said there was, like, a discoloration on the jeans. And I said, I don't remember exactly what I said, to be honest. I had asked her where the jeans were, I believe, and she brought me inside.
Sword and Scale
Episode 288
She brought the jeans out of her room and handed them to me. And I held them up, and I didn't see anything on the jeans. And I said, I don't see anything. And she said, yes, you do. And I looked at them, and it was like on the back butt pocket, there was a discoloration underneath the pocket of the jeans. And I said, it looks yellow. And she said that she had washed it.
Sword and Scale
Episode 288
When she had said she had washed it, I said, why would you wash it? And I don't recall what she said to me at that point.
Sword and Scale
Episode 288
Yeah, I'm sorry. Well, I just knew that there was a missing girl at that point, and he was the last person seen with her. And in my mind, I wouldn't have touched anything in his bedroom.
Sword and Scale
Episode 288
I mean, if it was my child, I would have went up there and looked to see what was going on, but I wouldn't have messed with anything in his room, just because I know they probably would come with a search warrant to search the home.
Sword and Scale
Episode 290
I'm going to go to every pretrial, every trial, everything. So he sees my face, but I want him to suffer. Like, you know, he made my daughter suffer. But I also don't feel like he deserves to live for taking my daughter away from me.
Sword and Scale
Episode 290
To our understanding, this building, this house, needed to remain standing for legal purposes. But now that we have a conviction, of the man that took our baby away, this house can be torn down. We want to bring light to the other women that were found within a mile of this house. And we want to send our condolences to their families.
Sword and Scale
Episode 290
We have to get these eyesores and these safe havens for crime because that's what they are. You have individuals that seek out these places and beforehand they come by and they replay in their mind what they plan to do later. So we have to bring awareness to the dangers that lurk in these abandoned structures.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Video Captures Teen BRUTALLY Murdering his OWN Mother as she Sleeps: Irina Garcia and Derek Rosa
Two weeks after Irina Garcia was stabbed to death, her mom standing by the accused killer, her grandson, Derek Rosa.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Video Captures Teen BRUTALLY Murdering his OWN Mother as she Sleeps: Irina Garcia and Derek Rosa
It's very unfortunate. that this tragedy occurred, but this child is very humble, very peaceful, and nobody could imagine that this would ever happen.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Video Captures Teen BRUTALLY Murdering his OWN Mother as she Sleeps: Irina Garcia and Derek Rosa
Garcia's mom and Derek's father begged a bond court judge to let the now adult defendant go home under house arrest.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Video Captures Teen BRUTALLY Murdering his OWN Mother as she Sleeps: Irina Garcia and Derek Rosa
It's hard for us to explain how this occurred. You know, it's difficult, but I guess what we're asking for is another opportunity, a second chance to help him grow and become mature as a grown man to to put this behind him and say, we have your back. We're here to support you.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Video Captures Teen BRUTALLY Murdering his OWN Mother as she Sleeps: Irina Garcia and Derek Rosa
Rosa described in over 20 letters sent to the court as an honor roll student, respectful and someone still loved by family on both sides.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Video Captures Teen BRUTALLY Murdering his OWN Mother as she Sleeps: Irina Garcia and Derek Rosa
But police described Rosa as the teen who stabbed his mom next to his newborn baby sister's crib. The baby not hurt, but mom found unresponsive. In court, Rosa's dad in disbelief. He also mentioned how his ex-wife was feeling before her death.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Video Captures Teen BRUTALLY Murdering his OWN Mother as she Sleeps: Irina Garcia and Derek Rosa
Derek's mother recently had a child and she was overwhelmed with a lot of the work. It's not taking away anything from what occurred. And I wish if he could bring, you know, the incident back to yesterday or the day before that occurred. The claim not guilty will be entered in demand for discovery.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
DISTURBING: Mom Claims she was "TRICKED" Into MURDERING Her Children: The Case of Tiffanie Lucas
And we love them so much. So many other people really love them and could have been there to help them. But she wouldn't allow that. She was too selfish. And now they're gone.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
DISTURBING: Mom Claims she was "TRICKED" Into MURDERING Her Children: The Case of Tiffanie Lucas
They should both be here today in school, going to school, learning, playing sports.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
DISTURBING: Mom Claims she was "TRICKED" Into MURDERING Her Children: The Case of Tiffanie Lucas
Nobody should can manipulate you to do such a horrific. Ain't nobody kid can can manipulate you to do that as yourself.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
DISTURBING: Mom Claims she was "TRICKED" Into MURDERING Her Children: The Case of Tiffanie Lucas
She showed no emotion. She shows no emotion.
Under Yazoo Clay
Introducing: Under Yazoo Clay
It's not just about me, it's my family. This was my family's mystery. You know what I'm saying? What happened to Grandma Zinni? This is a story about family.