Erez Zukerman

No, so that's not how I work. I'm pretty selective. So they reached out and I know they're big. That's great. It doesn't mean that they're the right people to review the product. So then I always have a call and I kind of get to know them and set expectations and like, this is it. Like to review a keyboard like that, if you think you're going to review my keyboard in two or three days... What?

No, so that's not how I work. I'm pretty selective. So they reached out and I know they're big. That's great. It doesn't mean that they're the right people to review the product. So then I always have a call and I kind of get to know them and set expectations and like, this is it. Like to review a keyboard like that, if you think you're going to review my keyboard in two or three days... What?

Like, no, that's not going to work. You need to have some time with it. You need to really spend time. You need to have a little bit of background. If you are a reviewer, you need to know what else is out there to have comparables. So I had a call with them, looked like a good fit. I sent them a keyboard. They took their time and eventually they published.

Like, no, that's not going to work. You need to have some time with it. You need to really spend time. You need to have a little bit of background. If you are a reviewer, you need to know what else is out there to have comparables. So I had a call with them, looked like a good fit. I sent them a keyboard. They took their time and eventually they published.

I love it. So, it's all a question of what game are you playing. For some people, it is a hobby. Yes, there are people who get an Ergodox EZ, and then that's kind of their gateway, you know? And they play with it, and they're like, oh, wow, that's great. And then they go and they build one, because nowadays there's kits, there's really great kits. You can even get, like, pre-assembled kits.

I love it. So, it's all a question of what game are you playing. For some people, it is a hobby. Yes, there are people who get an Ergodox EZ, and then that's kind of their gateway, you know? And they play with it, and they're like, oh, wow, that's great. And then they go and they build one, because nowadays there's kits, there's really great kits. You can even get, like, pre-assembled kits.

Everything is so much more developed now than when we started that, yeah, for sure, we do see it all the time.

Everything is so much more developed now than when we started that, yeah, for sure, we do see it all the time.

But some people just want to get their work done. They get a keyboard, they're happy, and they move on with life. But as a hobby, I'm biased, obviously. But keyboards are very cool, in my opinion. It's quite a fun hobby.

But some people just want to get their work done. They get a keyboard, they're happy, and they move on with life. But as a hobby, I'm biased, obviously. But keyboards are very cool, in my opinion. It's quite a fun hobby.

Yeah. No, that is such a great question. I love that question because I... had never imagined we would get here. When we started, we made the ErgoDoc CZ, that was the Indiegogo, and then it was time to make a website to go with it. So I got ErgoDocCZ.com because that's what we were making and that was the thing. And then for a good few years, that was it. And then we got this idea.

Yeah. No, that is such a great question. I love that question because I... had never imagined we would get here. When we started, we made the ErgoDoc CZ, that was the Indiegogo, and then it was time to make a website to go with it. So I got ErgoDocCZ.com because that's what we were making and that was the thing. And then for a good few years, that was it. And then we got this idea.

We were like, you know what? What if the thumb cluster moved? Like what if the whole keyboard was way, way thinner and you could actually move the thumb cluster? And we started playing around with that and we realized that makes a significant difference. We basically, again, the ErgoDocs, The OG Ergodox is not my design. It's not by ZSA. It's by Docs, by Dominique.

We were like, you know what? What if the thumb cluster moved? Like what if the whole keyboard was way, way thinner and you could actually move the thumb cluster? And we started playing around with that and we realized that makes a significant difference. We basically, again, the ErgoDocs, The OG Ergodox is not my design. It's not by ZSA. It's by Docs, by Dominique.

And it was optimized for hobbyists originally, right? Like it was actually, people would make it out of a sandwich of acrylic. Like they would take a few layers of acrylic and that was the case. Like acrylic, then the circuit board, then some more acrylic and, you know. And when we made it into the Ergodox CZ, obviously we modified it.

And it was optimized for hobbyists originally, right? Like it was actually, people would make it out of a sandwich of acrylic. Like they would take a few layers of acrylic and that was the case. Like acrylic, then the circuit board, then some more acrylic and, you know. And when we made it into the Ergodox CZ, obviously we modified it.

We redesigned everything for manufacturing, but it was still that Ergodox at heart. For example, when we came out with a backlit version, not all keys are backlit. The thumb cluster is not backlit, not because we got lazy, but because the original design did not allow for it. So we were kind of stuck with that. And after a few years, we felt, wow, you know, there's enough interest here.

We redesigned everything for manufacturing, but it was still that Ergodox at heart. For example, when we came out with a backlit version, not all keys are backlit. The thumb cluster is not backlit, not because we got lazy, but because the original design did not allow for it. So we were kind of stuck with that. And after a few years, we felt, wow, you know, there's enough interest here.

We have enough of a community. There's yeah, and we have a good idea, let's do it. And that was the Moonlander. And then the Moonlander was out for a few years. It's all kind of organic. Like we thought, what if there was, we looked at a laptop and we thought, what if there was a keyboard that,

We have enough of a community. There's yeah, and we have a good idea, let's do it. And that was the Moonlander. And then the Moonlander was out for a few years. It's all kind of organic. Like we thought, what if there was, we looked at a laptop and we thought, what if there was a keyboard that,