Dr. Tara Swart
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Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
So there's all sorts of reasons that people feel like that, and it comes from what we call ghosts. And so ghosts are related to neural pathways that have been there for so long in your brain that you're not even aware that they are there. So the earlier in childhood that a neural pathway formed and kind of became strong, the more of a ghost it is.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
And these are formed by things like the boundaries that your family had. So if some people have very strict families and some people have very open homes where people could just drop by anytime and stay over or whatever, the values that were held in your family When I say family, I mean the environment that you grew up in, any secrets, any role identifications.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
So this can sometimes be things like, oh, you're just like your father, or it could be things like, you know, you're the kind of go-between messenger in the family, you know, whatever. So there's a lot of things that create these very, very old, deeply embedded neural pathways. And so for such a variety of complex reasons, any of us could think that's never gonna work out for me.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
My number one tip for overcoming that is obviously address anything that's like an obvious reason that you might think that, and that could be in therapy or through journaling. But when you have a thought like that, it's underpinned by a belief about yourself, and it's usually to do with deservingness.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
So trying to work out specifically what that is for you and then creating a positive affirmation that's the opposite of that statement. So let's say you're thinking, stop kidding yourself, that's not gonna happen for you. And it's because you repeatedly watched one of your parents, say that they were going to achieve something, but then fail over and over again.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
And that's what you witnessed as a child. So your belief could be something like, failure happens more than success. So what you'd have to make your positive affirmation is success happens more than failure. Now, at first, that might seem like you're not even telling the truth. but it has to be quite a bold statement.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
So even if it doesn't feel true right now, every time you think failure happens more than success, you have to say out loud or write down or in your mind, success happens more than failure. And you need to keep repeating that until that becomes more of a natural thought process for you.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
I think the one that came up that really had to change for me, that was big for me, and I'm sure has contributed to the creative story, was that everything had to be perfect. I had to get 10 out of 10 on the spelling test, and if I didn't, I was questioned about why I got one thing wrong as a kid. An affirmation I made when I changed my career was let your true self shine through.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
And it's not necessarily related to that everything had to be perfect, but there were a few reasons that those sort of themes came up. So I used that one, let your true self shine through, for quite a while until that became very natural for me. And then I struggled with things like good enough is okay. I could not really get my head around that for a very long time. And what I realized was that
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
the behavior that was panning out for me was I had such high expectations that everything had to be perfect. And then I thought, well, it's not going to be perfect. So, you know, I was just looking out for everything that was like less than perfect or wrong. And then I realized that actually usually in the end, whether it's perfect or not is irrelevant.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
I do quite a good job of most of the things that I do and I'm proud of them afterwards, but I've caused myself so much stress in the run up to it. And, you know, the closest people around me may be felt some of that stress too, that that really just wasn't worth it. And I gave myself the data and the evidence that usually the projects that I pay my attention to turn out really well.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
So I kind of just learned to drop the stress around perfection that was coming with that. And I think a big learning that I had as well is that things don't always pan out how you plan. So becoming more flexible and open and spontaneous was important.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
And I think both of those things have definitely contributed to being more creative, because in creativity, there is no such thing as perfection, and you do have to be flexible and spontaneous.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
Yeah, I mean, as a serial entrepreneur like you, that's quite an obvious, in a way, just very tangible. But what I want to put behind that, that I'm sure you have examples of as well, is that it's the way that you deal with that that's the actual test. Right. Because something can not go as planned, and you could waste months or years dwelling on that.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
Or you could learn through neuroplasticity to put that behind you as quickly as possible and move on to the next potential option. That's definitely been a big learning for me as well. It's come from not being able to let go of things that haven't panned out the way that I wanted them to. Then really looking back and taking stock and realizing, okay, That happened anyway.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
Whatever it was that actually happened, that wasn't gonna change. But the amount of time that I wasted not being able to come to terms with that, that was actually the mistake that I made.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
That's a really nice question. I wish I had a bit more of a, like, specific example. Because I want to say, that there are clues, but it's quite hard to say what they might be if I don't know, you know, what necessarily. So let's, okay, let's just say generally, if you're trying to manifest things.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
Yeah, and I think that's a great example. And for other things as well, a question you could ask yourself is, am I making progress, however small, towards that thing on a regular basis? I think if you find that you're plateauing or going backwards, then you might need to rethink.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
But I wanna go back to the six principles in my book and say that, make sure that it feels like these are valid in your journey. So the first one is abundance, which is based on the negative gearing in the brain of avoiding loss. So the balance of being nervous and excited is a good sign.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
For me personally, I know that that's a sweet spot for me, but if you're way more nervous than you are excited, you might want to kind of journal about that and see just what the facts are around how likely this manifestation is, how realistic it is within your power to influence it. And then magnetic desire is really important because often people,
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
say that they want things because that's what all their friends are doing or that's what society expects. And magnetic desire is something that you want so strongly that you are willing to go through the time that it might take or the effort that it might take. And you can't not keep moving towards it. Like you don't have an option. So I think that's a really important one.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
Yeah. Maybe particularly if it's not in the norm or the flow, but it's very, very special to you, then I think that's actually maybe even a better sign. And then manifestation is what are the things that you're doing, whether it's through your thoughts or actions in the real world that are going to bring that thing to reality? So I guess the question here is how much can you do?
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
How much can you influence this? And that may include asking for help. So it may be that somebody or something else can influence it too, but you've still got to ask for that help. And then patience, which I mentioned before, which is that you don't give up because it's taking too long.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
So continuing to be motivated towards that goal, even if it feels like nothing's happening at times, which that can happen. And then harmony and universal connection kind of go together in that the thing you're trying to manifest isn't taking away resources from someone else. It's not creating scarcity. It's part of the whole general abundance that we want to foster in the world.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
I would say you've got to be really practical about it and go back to those things and help use those six questions to ask yourself if you can see clues in your life.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
Yeah, I actually want to take that back a stage, because something I hear quite often is that people have selected all the images, laid them out on the board, but haven't glued them down yet. And I think this person's obviously gone further, which is great, but it's kind of on the same spectrum. Usually it comes back to a feeling of lack of deserving of the image, so the thing that you want.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
And what I will say from a neuroscience point of view is that fear and uncertainty are actually the worst state for your brain to be in. If you take a step forward, what you find out quite quickly is that even if something doesn't work out, that feeling is less bad for your brain than the fear of uncertainty.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
I think it's Winston Churchill, yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
Yeah, and if you've got a few examples of that in your life, then that's great. It's really helpful. And I remember when I first read Who Moved My Cheese, the question on one of the pages is, what would you do if you weren't afraid? And I find myself asking myself that question sometimes. So I don't put myself in a position of you have to do this. I just say, what would I do if I wasn't afraid?
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
And I write it down in my journal. And usually then you see the first step to what you can do.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
Oh yeah, that's nice.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
Yeah, and I think this relates also to procrastination about just deadlines and tasks. It's the same kind of field, which is, okay, you're not taking a step, an action towards your action board goals, but it's not really that different to why you procrastinate over you know, a document or an interview or something like that. And it is because you think it's going to be much harder than it is.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
And so I have so many examples of where I finally get around to something at the last moment. And then I think, oh, that didn't take as long as I thought. It wasn't as hard as I thought. And I have a kind of, let's say, a cousin question to the two that we've already said, which is, what would it feel like if I get the best possible result in this scenario?
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
And once you kind of just imagine that and then you go into the scenario, you go in like so much more willingly without the fear.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
because it's a natural survival mechanism in our brain to expect the worst, to protect ourselves from potential bad consequences. But particularly in the modern world, the proportion of how often we think that's gonna be a bad outcome and what actually is, is it's skewed, it's not correct. So by priming your brain more towards the,
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
trust and excitement and getting the bonding hormone going, you feel better. And the fact is that your fear of how bad the outcome could be wasn't correct in the first place anyway. So it aligns more with reality.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
What would it feel like if I got the best possible outcome from this scenario?
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
What would you do if you weren't afraid?
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Dr. Tara Swart: 4 Brain Hacks To Manifest Anything Into Your Life (Science-Backed Method!)
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psychology has been made so limited and scarce when i think about the way we talk about our relationship with money you may have grown up in a family that says we have just enough to survive or we don't need more we have we have all we need and those things become so hardwired And therefore, as we get older, it becomes really hard to change them, right? And so that also applies to love.
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It's like, oh, if someone says, oh, my parents had a bad marriage, like I'm just scared I'm going to repeat it. And then that becomes their narrative. When we're talking about changing those, does every thought count? Does every thought matter? Like talk me through that.
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Dr. Tara Swart: 4 Brain Hacks To Manifest Anything Into Your Life (Science-Backed Method!)
Please welcome to On Purpose, Dr. Tara Swart. Tara, it's such a joy to have you here, honestly.
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I find like when people think about this, one of the things that kind of keeps tripping them up is Jay, I can say it and I can think it, but I don't believe it.
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Right. And I'm sure you've heard that a million times, that fear of like, okay, well, you know, I don't believe I can start living my passion and I don't believe that I can do what I love for work or I don't believe that I have, it's possible for someone like me to achieve whatever else it may be.
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No, no, this is something I was looking forward to all week. I can promise you it's a Thursday for anyone who's listening. And I've been recording all week and I was really excited to sit down with you. I think the work that you're doing is so similar in value to the work I'm trying to do in the world.
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And then I can say it to myself before I go to bed, but I don't believe it because I don't believe it. I stopped doing it after two to three days. What's the difference between someone who's practicing this in a way that it works and we'll get onto action in a second, but at least practicing the belief change, because I'm, I'm fully with you, by the way.
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Like I remember I had a mentor that used to constantly say to me, he'd say, Jay, you're an entrepreneur. You're an entrepreneur. You're an entrepreneur. And at this time I was working a full-time job, nine to five and getting paid, whatever it was. And he'd keep telling me, be like, Jay, you're an entrepreneur. And I'd keep telling him, I'd be like, no, I'm not. No, I'm not. No, I'm not.
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I'm, I'm an artist. I'm a creative. I'm definitely not an entrepreneur. The last thing I want to do is run a business. Like that's just not who I am. And if you asked me, I would have said I'm a very self-aware person at this point in my life. It wasn't that I didn't reflect enough. I felt like I really knew who I was.
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And then it was only when I was required to have to be an entrepreneur did I have to shift into that gear and become one. But if you still ask me today, I'm like, I'm an entrepreneur, but I much prefer being a creative and an artist and a thinker. That's where I thrive, if you ask me.
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Dr. Tara Swart: 4 Brain Hacks To Manifest Anything Into Your Life (Science-Backed Method!)
But I did something when I was required to do it. So I see you smiling. And so I want to hear your reaction to what I'm sharing.
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Dr. Tara Swart: 4 Brain Hacks To Manifest Anything Into Your Life (Science-Backed Method!)
We think it's too ridiculous or too out there or, right.
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Dr. Tara Swart: 4 Brain Hacks To Manifest Anything Into Your Life (Science-Backed Method!)
I really believe that for so long, ancient wisdom and the wisdom of the East especially has been seen through two lenses. I think there's been a lot of enthusiasm towards it and a lot of value and reverence. And at the same time, I think there's been, as you say, skepticism and cynicism around it. And so to have someone of your caliber, your research, your insight,
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That initial challenge of like you're saying that... even becoming aware that we don't believe we deserve something or something's meant for us, it can be such an uncomfortable discovery because it almost starts indicating towards the fact that
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Dr. Tara Swart: 4 Brain Hacks To Manifest Anything Into Your Life (Science-Backed Method!)
there are past experiences, past traumas, past relationships that you now have to go back to and uncover and unlearn and understand because you've almost been living in a sense of darkness in that area of your life. And I think that can be really disconcerting because it requires so much time and energy to actually go back there and excavate and look at it and face it head on.
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Dr. Tara Swart: 4 Brain Hacks To Manifest Anything Into Your Life (Science-Backed Method!)
What does science have to say about how can we look at our past? How can we look at our wiring in a healthy way rather than a judgmental way? Because we could just turn around and say, I'm the worst that I've been thinking this way. You start criticizing yourself. I've wasted so much time. I always hear, even sometimes I hear people and they're like, I wish I started when I was 18.
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Dr. Tara Swart: 4 Brain Hacks To Manifest Anything Into Your Life (Science-Backed Method!)
I wish I started when I was 25. And there's this regret that's underlying that feeling, even if they did change. How do we look at our past and look at change in a healthier way rather than a negative way?
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Dr. Tara Swart: 4 Brain Hacks To Manifest Anything Into Your Life (Science-Backed Method!)
And communicating in the way you do, I think, is such a great blessing and benefit for the industry in and of itself. So thank you so much for the work you do.
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Dr. Tara Swart: 4 Brain Hacks To Manifest Anything Into Your Life (Science-Backed Method!)
It really means the world. But let's dive straight in. And if you hear me and Tara lock into some... what would I call them? Inside jokes, because we're both North Londoners, then just please roll with us. But Tara, I wanted to start off with where did you and why did you get so passionate about this work and finding the parallels between ancient wisdom and modern science?
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Yeah, that kind of opening of the idea that you went through this, but it could also be an opportunity or this impediment could also be an invitation. Like that kind of understanding I find to be really powerful. And I would agree with you. I think the most purposeful people I've met
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Dr. Tara Swart: 4 Brain Hacks To Manifest Anything Into Your Life (Science-Backed Method!)
are people who went through a pain point and now they don't want other people to go through that pain or they want to help people through that pain. And that's what created their ability to do that.
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Whereas someone else who may not have had that pain or may not have had that challenge, almost can it sometimes feel less clear or a bit more lost because they don't know what the meaning of their life is or where they stand.
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Yeah. Or having a lot of free time or whatever it may be. When people are trying, I feel like we live in a time right now where And you alluded to this earlier, and I'm kind of going back to it. We live at a time where there's a lot of projected goals and expectations. And a lot of people can feel like they're so far away from their own goals because there's goals from other people around them.
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Now, my mentor, I'm still good friends with him, knew me very well. And so he wasn't projecting his entrepreneurial thing. He was seeing something that I couldn't. But a lot of the times there's society like, oh, let's live in hustle culture. Everyone needs to be an entrepreneur. Everyone needs to be a CEO. There's a lot of performance culture out there and productivity culture.
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Dr. Tara Swart: 4 Brain Hacks To Manifest Anything Into Your Life (Science-Backed Method!)
And I find that a lot of people either struggle with that weight of that expectation or they actually curl up into a ball and kind of don't want to go anywhere and do anything. And it makes them hide from that as well, because it's almost like everyone's just pushing them to be more ambitious and be more driven. At the same time,
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And why did that work call you?
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I would love to understand the psychology of being needing to open up to more challenges and more opportunities is just a healthy way of living. So if someone's stuck in that space of, you know, Tara and Jay, I'm just, you know, I'm kind of stuck because I do want more. I'm trying to get there that I believe I deserve it.
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Dr. Tara Swart: 4 Brain Hacks To Manifest Anything Into Your Life (Science-Backed Method!)
But then I don't know if that's what I really want or if it's what my parents want or what social media wants me to want or what my friends are doing.
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Dr. Tara Swart: 4 Brain Hacks To Manifest Anything Into Your Life (Science-Backed Method!)
What's your understanding so far about the soul's purpose of what you've been able to discover and uncover on this journey?
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Dr. Tara Swart: 4 Brain Hacks To Manifest Anything Into Your Life (Science-Backed Method!)
When you talked about spending time in nature, you talked about chanting, you talked about humming, you talked about the art class, the kind of more analog tasks as well. What do those tasks have in common from what's happening scientifically inside of us, like biologically, like chemically, what's happening that's similar across those or is it different?
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Filtering down our mind's meaning.
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And would the brain ever allow for more? Or is it just so against survival that we couldn't experience it here?
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Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I mean, I feel like, as you referred to earlier, meditation has been such a powerful form of reaching altered states of consciousness and breath work you referred to, nature for sure. I mean, I've had the fortune of spending some time in some special, special places, both in India and just this year I got to go to Bhutan as well.
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And, you know, it was, I definitely went to places that I felt they were, it almost felt like there were places in the material world that were already in different realms. Like it almost felt that way.
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Yeah. Like places I went to in South India, I definitely felt that because some of these temples are like thousands and thousands of years old. And they were built with that. I mean, they're built with that kind of like Vedic mathematics and just the way they're, the architecture and everything, kind of how we marvel at the pyramids.
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Yeah, the Mayan ruins. It's that kind of, I saw those temples in South India, which I guess have less publicity and PR. But when I went there, I was like, wow, this is just, you know, there's this, I remember this one kind of hallway that, And it's almost, I forget the exact name they've given it, but it almost feels like a portal. And it's just pillars and pillars and pillars for so long.
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But it almost is seen as this transitionary portal. And so you kind of find these places in the world that have otherworldly, other realm aspects that you almost feel like an automatic sense of connection to a part of you that's beyond. And having had those experiences before, It's amazing to me as well.
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So many of my friends who've taken psychedelics or clients that have practiced that, no one ever comes back and believes that this four-dimensional world is all we have, that there is more. What's the benefit of that? Do you believe that's the next stage of human evolution? Is that spiritual dimension or is that what we're leaning towards, hinting towards? Is that how you see it progressing?
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No, I've not seen Coco. You haven't seen it? I thought you were going to say Sol. I've seen that, but I've not seen Coco.
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Okay.
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Yeah, no, no. And dark retreats too. Like, I think it's interesting that all of it's trying to get us to just be. Like, it all starts with this sense of just being. But some of these activities, I think for a lot of people, they seem so foreign, right? Like, I think dark retreats seem foreign, silent retreats seem foreign. Obviously, they're quite... big differences to the way people live.
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And even things like chanting and humming and being in nature, like those, I think coming from a Indian background, like chanting is somewhat far more accessible or normal or a practice that you grew up with, whereas in the Western world, that wouldn't necessarily have been a practice. What has been the neurological impact of chanting?
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I'm intrigued by that because that's always been something I've been fascinated by.
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Well, I didn't know about the science behind that. It's so funny because one of my teachers would always tell us, he said, if you have a conflict with anyone in the monastery, you should dance and chant together.
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That was literally what he would say.
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He would always say that and he would always tell everyone that. It's like, if you're having a conflict with another monk or someone in the monastery or there's something, you should dance and chant together. And we'd always thought it was like a nice cute thing. Like, you know, you don't realize just...
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how much you recognize there's spiritual depth behind it, but to even hear the idea that it's actually creating trust on a chemical level is pretty far out because... Well, it's clearly creating coherence in terms of you wouldn't chant out of tune with each other, would you? Correct.
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And that simple act of doing it even subconsciously is going to bleed into when you're trying to consciously operate. Yeah. I mean, that's fascinating from a romantic perspective too, I guess. And from a relationship perspective of how often are couples spending time together in nature or how often are couples spending time in the same frequency and vibration together?
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It's fascinating that all of these things have been practiced for thousands and thousands of years. And ironically, we've also had mental health and anxiety challenges for much longer than we believe we have. And I often think of the Bhagavad Gita and Arjun, which, you know, was spoken 5,000 years ago, But that experience that he's having on the battlefield is anxiety, stress.
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Is there any research around that that suggests the same for romantic love?
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He's having a sense of a loss of identity. He's worried about the surroundings and the impending war that's about to take place. And so you see that in a text that's 5,000 years old. And then you have all of this wisdom that surrounds it. But being able to translate that into what's happening now is so needed. And I guess that's why you had that positive response.
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kind of spectrum that exists between stress and love. And you were talking about how like, you know, you're trying to move towards love in your life. And you said, not simply romantic love, just love as a force and as an energy source. And you were saying that, you know, stress, of course, sits at the polar opposite of that.
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And so much of our decisions today are based on stress, naturally, whether it's stress to pay the bills, stress to survive, stress to take care of the people we love, stress because someone we love has been diagnosed with the disease. Like there's so much stress and it's almost like, how could you ever infuse love with that?
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What have you seen when, is that even possible to measure what it's been like to infuse stressful situations with love?
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Yeah, no, that reminds me of Edith Eger's book, The Gift, and the work of Viktor Frankl.
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And that idea of that future motion of how does, how does what I do now, how will that make me feel in the future? And who will I be able to help and serve in the future, even if I can't help anyone now? And
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I'm so touched. The feeling is very mutual. I was so excited to have a platform that I could have this conversation with you and that you agreed to it. And I want to make sure out of just my respect for your work that you feel you're being able to touch on the things that you really deeply believe in and talk about.
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So that's your thing. That's brilliant. Okay, good. Yeah, good. No, what is it, I guess, that you're most fascinated by right now? Like something that you're personally obsessed with? I imagine that when you're in discovery mode, just as when someone's healing, not healed. So in a scientist sense, it's like when you're learning, not teaching. Like what is that for you right now?
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Yeah, and I am too when I'm listening to you. I always think about how does something stop being a fad and a trend and the moment and how does it become a real shift in lifestyle and a commitment to whatever practice it is that you feel is valuable because I find that
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As humans, we're always looking for the next thing to entertain us and you can also have a lot of spiritual entertainment and you can also have a lot of purposeful entertainment and it just becomes another thing that you kind of use in order to escape as opposed to, no, this is what I'm dedicating my life to and this is what I'm committing my life to, if that makes sense.
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Yeah, I was just trying to dissect and understand that because... Yeah, I think for me, it's been really interesting having learned a very ancient philosophy and then grappling with trying to make it make sense in the real life that I live now has been such a difficult, beautiful, graceful, awkward path to walk. And I don't think I figured it out.
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I'm still walking that path and trying to make sense of it. And But I know that underlying it, and you talked about this, you alluded to this, this idea of having a purpose for life based on service, being a place that we're all trying to get to. I think that's been the only guiding light. Like that's been the only thing that is the light at the end of the tunnel that makes sense.
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And I find that when I'm, I'm deeply want to help people find theirs. And I find that what distracts us, me included from that, his past desires, future opportunities. And ultimately, I'd say the biggest one, which is what I want to talk about now, is this societal noise that keeps us bound. And that could be news cycles. It could be entertainment conversations.
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It could be, like we talked about before, the expectations of work and life and people around us. And so you're so swept up in all of that. And naturally, most of the people around us, including us, are skewed towards negativity bias, confirmation bias. We're stuck. And so to override, going back to where we started, to override that kind of primitive self to say, no, I'm going to find the answer.
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I'm going to push is so rare, if not impossible.
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that how does someone kind of let go of those shackles and going back to your prison point? How do you get out of the prison? Because the biggest, I can't remember who said this, but there's this idea of like, it's a Vedic concept, but I think maybe it's been said in a movie or something more recently, the idea that the best prisons are the ones where you can't see the handcuffs, right?
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This idea that you don't even know you're trapped. Wow.
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Sorry, we're unpacking. I'm just downloading onto you because I'm like, you're super smart, Tara. So I'm like downloading onto you and like figure it out for me. That's kind of where this, how our relationship's working right now. It works for me.
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No, no, I'm glad you talked about that. And I want to touch on that too. Like, I do feel like I, there was a point in my life where I believed I was teaching what I was learning. And then I had to live what I'd learned. And then it all changed. Like it just completely changed. And even now that that's why I'm in that dance because you, you don't know.
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And the, the situation is giving you, as we said earlier, each impediment is giving you a new invitation to learn, live and react and respond and figure it out again.
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And then that happens again and again and again.
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Yeah.
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No, go for it. I have no idea.
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It's so true. I can relate to it completely. I think that's probably one of my favorite habits too. And it's funny because everyone's like, no, Jay, I just saw you post yesterday. I'm like, no, we've got to a point where we've built the systems where we can be online and offline at the same time. And I couldn't agree with you more.
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I'm my best self creatively, even productively, if I'm not glued to doom scrolling or whatever else it may be. And I think it comes back down to That's what I meant by the noise and that is the answer. That's a great answer because I do think that you just have to switch the noise off. There isn't a way to operate in the noise and hope that you won't be affected by it.
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It's almost like you walk into a restaurant, you will walk out smelling like the food in that restaurant. Like you can't go in there, eat, enjoy it and walk out. And I used to often think I could do that. Like I used to think you could engage with an energy.
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and not be affected by it and that's not true like no one's powerful enough to do that and and you will you will kind of absorb that energy and i do find that we're just losing spaces of high frequency and vibration that people can go to to have that the other way so there's lots of places you could go to and we all probably know what they are we're like i don't like going there there's my energy getting strained i don't like going there because i don't feel my best i think we're losing places in society that
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have the opposite effect like where does someone go to and you're saying nature is is definitely one of them and that one's free obviously to people and that one's free as well and accessible and it's it's it's become harder i i read this article a few years ago and it was talking about how what we value as a society has changed by the tallest building in the town
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And so back in the day, the tallest building in the town would be the church. So you could see the cross from anywhere. And that would be the center point of community. And then that changed to the government building, the Capitol building. You'd see that building, the state building became the tallest building.
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And today, if you looked at any city center, it would be the commerce, it would be the business, it would be, you know, the tallest building will be a bank.
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Yeah. And it was just this idea of how society shows what's important and what's powerful too. I'd add that as well, that it's also what we deem as powerful. And I wanted to get your take on what is your perspective on God and the source in that sense? Like what have you discovered or seen from your research in that space?
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You don't have to if you don't want to.
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Yeah, absolutely. It's not new at all. This idea then that we have the power to change our destiny, this idea that we have the power to propel our lives, whether it's careers, whether it's relationships, we have the ability to shift and pivot. A lot of people will hear that and they think to themselves, well, that doesn't happen to me. It happens for those people.
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Even with the experiences that people have had under psychedelics or things like that, I've heard or met so many people who've had like God interactions or God-like interactions and things. I'm sure you have too. That's what I was trying to get at from the research point of view. But you're saying that that's still not, you wouldn't count it as proof in the scientific sense.
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Yeah. Yeah. No, no. And that's totally, that's totally interesting and fair. And it's, yeah, it's just been something I've been fascinated by from a scientific point of view, because it's, it's, um, yeah, trying to understand the as we've talked about today, the otherworldly or other realm is something that's beyond us.
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Like we don't even have, like you said, the brain doesn't even allow us to go there.
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religiosity or belief in god is is beneficial to our mental health and none or fundamentalism is actually you know negative for our mental health we've talked about so much today i know we've really gone there and and it was more than i thought too i've like avoided i've avoided every bullet point my team sent me and thought about i love that because it's been so much more fun just diving into your amazing mind and research and just getting getting an inkling is there anything that we haven't talked about that you really want to touch on i don't
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I'm like, just making sure that to sit with someone and really pick their brain and someone who can speak about so many different things in such a broad range of topics is so rare. I'm so grateful to you for that because I love how much, how curious you are. I love how much you're willing to push the envelope. I love how
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challenging you are of both sides of the idea whether it's spirituality or science and uh we we end every on purpose episode with a final five so i'd love to ask you these five questions some of them are things we ask everyone and some of them will be geared towards you okay so dr taraswa these are your final five the first question is uh what is the best advice you've ever heard or received
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What do you understand about it differently now?
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I love that. Question number two, what is the worst advice you ever heard or received?
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They hear that and think, yeah, you can't really think your way into anything. Or people hear it and say, no, I tried that once and it didn't work for me. How do you approach that conversation of helping people realize the power that they hold and the power of what's possible for any one of us?
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Question number three, is it possible to manifest love?
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It woke us through it.
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Wow. I love that. That's a great story. That's beautiful. I'm sure that would give people a lot of hope. What are people doing wrong with manifesting love? Where are people going wrong?
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Absolutely. And question number five, fifth and final question we ask this to everyone who's ever been on the show. If you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?
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Yeah. So needed. So needed, especially now. Well, Dr. Tara Swart, thank you so much for coming on On Purpose. The book is called The Source, The Secrets of the Universe, The Science of the Brain. Please, if you don't have a copy already, go and grab one. And of course, if you don't follow Dr. Tara on social media, please go and subscribe and follow on all channels. I can't wait to share this.
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I want to hear what resonated with you, what connected with you. Please tag us both, sharing insights, your favorite clips, things you're practicing, your action boards. I want to see it all. And Dr. Tara Swart, thank you so much for your time and energy again. It was truly a joy. So thank you.
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Hey, everyone. If you loved that conversation, go and check out my episode with the world's leading therapist, Laurie Gottlieb, where she answers the biggest questions that people ask in therapy when it comes to love, relationships, heartbreak and dating. If you're trying to figure out that space right now, you won't want to miss this conversation.
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Did you find a difference? And I want to get into the science and research part to show the validity of what you're saying. Did you find a difference in the science of measuring extrinsic and intrinsic motivators? Because I feel like manifestation is still always about what do you want? Where do you want to be? And as, you know, honestly, I can only really speak for myself.
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But when I think about it, for me, if someone asked me what that was, I've always wanted to just wake up and do what I love every day. Like that's really all I care about. And so it's all I care about is I want to wake up and do what I love every day and hopefully improves the lives of other people. And if those two things can go together.
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And I find that a lot of manifestation stems around like, what kind of house do you want? And what kind of car do you want? And what kind of life do you want? And it gets very extrinsic. And so I wonder whether, I'm intrigued, I'm really curious to know what the science suggests about when you're having an action board towards an intrinsic motivator or an extrinsic motivator.
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Please, I'm all ears. I'm here as a student to just listen because I'm so fascinated.
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Yeah, walk me through some of the science and the research that validates some of these claims, because I think that's your unique perspective and that's been the unique angle that you brought to it. And I feel like it's great to understand that this stuff is actually being researched, tested, discovered. It's not just science.
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Leading neuroscientist. Best-selling author. Dr. Tara Swart.
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So the first one is myelination and anyone who does a lot of sport who repeats a certain, you know, weight training will understand that that's what's happening in their muscles. You know, when I said, you know, you come here pretty much every day and you sit with someone and you interview them and you're really great at asking questions.
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So it literally started from the minute they got there and these little old ladies had to, and gentlemen had to carry their cases up. After one week... The people in that group were taller because their posture improved. They had better musculoskeletal coordination than they had a week before.
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In before and after photos that were shown to people that didn't know them, they were rated as younger in the one week after photos than the photos from arriving at that place. And the reminiscing group also had some improvements, but not as much as the group that lived like they were in their 60s.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And that is little embryonic nerve cells that float around in the brain actually becoming fully formed nerve cells, neurons, and connecting up through synaptic connection and maybe getting myelinated. And there's a factor, a growth factor that's involved in that, the embryonic cell becoming an adult cell, which is called BDNF or brain derived neurotrophic factor. And trophic means growth.
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Well, my optician told me. So he's of Indian origin, same age as me. And he said, oh, I think, you know, you're probably gonna need reading glasses next year. And I was like, no, I do not want reading glasses. That makes you look really old. And he was like- Yeah, I know we both look younger than we are, but your eyes are going to age just like anybody else's. And I was like, no, they are not.
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So I left, came back a year later. He said, how's it going with the reading? So it's fine. And he sort of went, okay, Tara. So he's doing my eye test. He spins around on his little chair halfway through and says, your eyes haven't got worse. They haven't even stayed the same. They've got better. And I said, I know. And he said, what have you been doing?
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And I said, well, I just said no to you when you said I'm going to have to get reading glasses. And when I'm like looking at my phone or a book and it feels like it would be a bit easier if I moved it further away, I just don't.
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Um. Well, I hadn't experienced a problem with my reading, but he was obviously seeing the numbers slightly change. I really didn't do much more than what I've just said. So it was like not accepting the limitation and then not changing my behavior. And I think that's what you see from the third group of people, which is that...
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they had to change their behavior to live like without any help and in a way that they had to when they were younger. So that essentially removed the limitations that we impose on ourself, which is that if I'm X age, it must mean that I need reading glasses or I need a walking stick or whatever it is.
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There's a kind of opposite experiment to that too, which was done with young medical students in Florida. And they had to walk between five rooms and on the table were five pieces of paper with a word on it and you had to string a sentence out of it. But that wasn't the real experiment. They thought that was the experiment.
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The real experiment was that in one of the rooms, the words that were on the table were Florida Beach Sunshine Walk.
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bungalow and all of them walked more slowly out of that room than any of the other rooms because those words are associated with retirement and that made them slow down that you asked me is language important in art to our brain that's how important it is so just saying words can change our behavior so quickly that's what the experiment showed
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And it's also just bringing that word need into your life. Like you don't have enough, like that you need something. I'm constantly changing my words, like tweaking them like that. So I would say, oh, I'm going to treat myself to a coffee.
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So neurotrophic is growth of neurons. And the things that contribute mostly to that are aerobic exercise and eating dark skinned foods. Yeah. Yeah.
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I know that we've talked like very broadly on lots of different things, but I hope that for me, my intention with every sentence that I've said to you is that people should realize how much potential they have in their brains, like how capable they are of having an even more amazing life than they have already.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
dark skinned foods yeah so let me just cover the exercise one first because this is one of my fun facts which is that if you are regularly doing aerobic exercise the turnover of those cells in your brain is about 13 14 percent so like the the amount and the speed in which they like die die off no the speed in which they go from embryonic to full-grown so okay yeah okay so because we want neurogenesis to happen okay
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Yeah. Yeah. So if I could give people a takeaway to start with, that's really simple, but it doesn't mean there isn't a lot of hard work at the other end of it. It would be, be very clear on what it is that you want. So you've mentioned a few things. Spend five minutes sitting down and visualizing those things being true and then give gratitude for that. That would be my first step.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Those things being true. Just five minutes. I'm a great partner. I'm not messy. My podcast is super successful. Like see it, feel it in your body, taste it in your mouth, hear it in your ears. Completely immerse yourself in that five minutes, longer if you can. And then just be so grateful for all of that. Essentially, what you're doing is moving your brain from a fear state to a trust state.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
And that is the gateway to making these changes.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
If you haven't been doing exercise for a while and then you start, the rate of cell turnover is like 30%. So it increases after a period of inactivity with new aerobic exercise. So that's my excuse for like being a couch potato half the time and then starting up again.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Yeah, making the embryonic cells grow into new cells and then connect up with existing ones.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
There are benefits to your brain of other types of exercise, but weight training doesn't relate to neurogenesis as much. Okay.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
This isn't so much about language, but it's another example of mind over matter. So this was an experiment done on two groups of weightlifters. Thought you might like this one. That's a big compliment.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
That's like something you're super good at that because you repeat it, it becomes like a superpower. And that means that what's happening there is myelination. So myelin is a fatty substance that coats some neural pathways and those pathways become fast pathways. Now, there's a reason from evolution why we have some fast pathways and some slow pathways.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Totally.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
um this was finger and elbow weights though so maybe not so glamorous in this experiment okay so one group lifted finger or elbow weights i think this was a two-week study and they showed i think it was about a 40 increase in in muscle mass of the targeted muscle group for those weights Their counterparts only imagined lifting weights for two weeks. They lifted no weights for two weeks.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
They just sat there and they visualized themselves lifting weights. And they had a 13% increase in muscle mass.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Have you been secretly doing that? No, but I could be doing that instead. I've been going to the gym.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Well, I don't think you can watch the football. I think the whole, like, visualisation and, you know, intention and attention stuff was an important part of it.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Well, think about the number of athletes that use visualization as part of their training. Of course, they do the exercise and the practice and everything, but that's hugely used in sports.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
positive things that are in line with my goals yeah I mean what's the harm in imagining yourself more muscular or more youthful alongside eating the dark foods and getting enough sleep you know it's like it's part of the package do you want to know what you should eat so that you can please what is this dark skinned foods
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
So basically, at the basic level, we want people to have a healthy balanced diet, mostly plant-based. But where you can choose a darker version of a food, the pigment in the skin of that food has higher levels of antioxidants called anthocyanins, and they also contribute to neurogenesis.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
So it's basically like eating black beans instead of white beans or eating blueberries instead of strawberries. Dark chocolate instead of milk chocolate. Purple sprouting broccoli instead of green broccoli. And good quality coffee counts as well. Yeah, so, you know, I try to vary what I eat, but also always choose the darker option if I can.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
So the accountability piece, which we discussed, but also creating the conditions in your body for your brain to be able to do all of that stuff. And so, you know, this is a bit of repetition, but sleeping roughly eight hours a night, having regular sleep and wake times seems to have an additional benefit. We don't know why. So within an hour. So go to sleep between 10 and 11, wake up whenever.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Not being sedentary. So being physically active doesn't necessarily mean you have to pound it at the gym. To be honest, in terms of neuroplasticity, you don't want to do too much high intensity exercise because it spikes your cortisol levels. So it's better to do kind of quite gentle exercise. Eating 30 different plant products a week and varying the color as much as possible.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
And the reason is that if you put your hand in the fire, your reflex to snatch your hand out is a fast pathway. But your pain reflex is a slow pathway, because if you were incapacitated by pain, the minute you put your hand in the fire, you wouldn't be able to get away from it. One of the mechanisms of neuroplasticity is becoming even better at something that you're really good at.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
you know, managing your stress, whether it's through meditation or just like removing the causes of stress. If you're doing and being hydrated, if you are doing all of those things and you want to play at level two of the game, you could start doing time-restricted eating. So only eating between, I only eat between 12 noon and 8 p.m., but you could do 8 a.m. to 8 p.m.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
So that kind of fasting is very beneficial for your brain as well, but only if you've got the foundations right. It's not going to help you if you don't.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Well, it helps to regulate your blood sugar levels. So, you know, spiking blood sugar levels aren't good for your body or your brain. And fasting and calorie restriction, they do have like brain health and longevity benefits, but that only if your foundations are right.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Somebody who's stressed or eats badly or doesn't sleep enough will not benefit from time-restricted eating or intermittent fasting because it is a form of stress on your body, but it's a form of stress that your body can take and use to build resilience if the baseline level of stuff is good.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Yeah, that's great.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Absolutely.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
It will get to that, but there's actually a little bit of a jumpstart to that, which is really helpful, particularly in terms of confidence and self-esteem, which is that usually there's a particular recurring negative thought that's associated with feelings of lack of confidence.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Um, so if you can identify what that is and create a positive affirmation that's like the opposite of it or something that counteracts it, then that can be a great way to get started. My phrase would have been, it has to be perfect and it's not going to be perfect.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
I wouldn't have been able to say this last year, but now I would I would probably be able to say it is going to be better than perfect. It is going to be amazing. Like I know it. But to get myself there, I could have said it doesn't have to be perfect, but it's going to be great. Or I could have said maybe it will be perfect.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Sometimes a question I ask myself is what's the best possible outcome that could happen here? So it's changing your language in your mind about the things that you think. So that's basically metacognition, which is that you can understand your own thinking. And then reversing that narrative quite strongly, even if it doesn't feel like it's totally true.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
And that's happened through myelination. The most common one, which is something that you're quite good at, but if you had loads of time, you could become really good at it, but you maybe don't have loads of time, happens through synaptic connection. So that's the one that can feel like quite hard work. But if you put in the effort, then you can change your brain.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
And just repeating that so much that you start to wear down that other pathway.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Yeah, yeah, it really matters. Yeah, how we speak about ourselves.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
I mean, it's neuroplasticity. If you're repeating something in your mind or out loud, then if that's being repeated more than another statement, it's the one that your brain's going to believe.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Mm-hmm.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Yeah, I think there's an element of reality to it. So there's a few things there, which is those particular things that you said are very shallow. They are not really the things that people should need to be saying to themselves. What I find, and I picked this up from the podcast with Lewis, is he said that sometimes he would just say to himself, I'm safe, I'm safe, I'm okay.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
And actually just sometimes saying to myself, I'm safe. is that's what I need to hear, not I'm beautiful and I'm amazing. That does feel like, A, it's the kind of thing that everybody probably wants to say, B,
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Yeah, it's not addressing. And I'm going to be rich. I mean, that's the worst one because you actually have to do stuff to make that happen. You know, you can't just say that. So I think finding the stuff that you need to say to yourself that is not to do with social expectation or parental expectation or, you know, social group.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
um what everybody else is doing like what you really want to know for yourself that's going to set you up to be able to go out into the real world and do the stuff that you need to do to get the other things that you want there you said you can't just say it you have to go out and do it now when people hear this term manifestation
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Mm-hmm. So I believe in manifestation based on your brain. So your thoughts, your beliefs, your actions. So where I've called my book, The Source, I have said your brain is the source of you being able to attract everything that you want into your life.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
So I sat down one summer and I researched the laws of attraction and just looked at whether I could explain them through cognitive science, which is psychology and neuroscience, and I could. So I was kind of like, oh, I'm onto something here.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
So that means that neurons that already exist in the brain connect up with each other and start to form new pathways. And the third mechanism, which doesn't happen a lot in the adult brain, but it does happen around the hippocampus because we do lay down new memories in life, happens a lot in children's brains, is called neurogenesis.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
And the first stage for me was understanding that it is absolutely to do with the way that you think, but then it's not magically like attracting something in the atmosphere. It's to do with the changes that you make based on your thought process.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
I do believe in vision boards, but I call them action boards because I see them as a representation of what I want, but I still have to go out there and make those things happen. I think it's also much more empowering to believe that it's your brain that's making that stuff happen and not some external force that you're not really sure what it is.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Yeah, so actually there's a really fascinating study. It's one of my favorite ones to talk about, which was three groups of octogenarians.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
People in their 80s. Okay. And one group was the control group. So they just lived like normal for a week. One group had to reminisce about being in their 60s for most of the week whenever they had an opportunity to. And one group were actually driven to retrofitted versions of their homes that looked like what their house looked like 20 years ago.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
They were given newspapers dated from 20 years ago. They had photos of themselves in that house when they were in their 60s. And one of the things was they got there and they were sort of like, okay, you know, who's going to carry our suitcase up to the bedroom or whatever? And they were like, no, you're 60 now. You carry your own suitcase.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
8 Habits That Will Change Your Life: The Expert Advice You Need This Year
Check this out. So cortisol is known as the stress hormone, and it absolutely correlates with emotions such as fear, anger, disgust, shame, and sadness. Cortisol isn't all bad. You know, we need it to wake up in the morning. We need it to have an adaptive stress response to, you know, a car driving too fast on the street that we're trying to cross.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
8 Habits That Will Change Your Life: The Expert Advice You Need This Year
So as long as it stays within that range, that's fine. But when something super stressful happens, like the saber-toothed tiger that we spoke about earlier, the cortisol levels spike. And that enables us to run away, to warn our tribe, and it should go back to normal levels quite quickly. In the modern day, as I mentioned earlier, we're so overwhelmed with information.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
8 Habits That Will Change Your Life: The Expert Advice You Need This Year
There are so many psychological threats to our safety that it's most people, unfortunately, the levels are high and they're either at the higher end or higher. And that's pretty constant, whereas they should be, you know, kind of undulating between that range.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
8 Habits That Will Change Your Life: The Expert Advice You Need This Year
When that happens, because cortisol is carried in the blood supply around the body and it crosses the blood-brain barrier, there are receptors in the brain that monitor the levels of cortisol in a way to sense threat in our environment.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
8 Habits That Will Change Your Life: The Expert Advice You Need This Year
When those levels are high, most of the time or all the time, or higher than the higher end of the threshold, the brain immediately thinks, I'm about to die, what is the biggest threat to my survival? And in some ways, because it's from so long ago, we're wired in such a cave person way. The first threat that the brain will consider is starvation.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
8 Habits That Will Change Your Life: The Expert Advice You Need This Year
Even though that's, for most of us, thank goodness, not the biggest threat to our survival. In fact, quite the opposite. So to try to protect us from dying of starvation, one of the things that cortisol does is lay down extra fat in the abdominal fat cells so that if we are unable to hunt or gather for some time, we can digest that fat and stay alive until a food source becomes available.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
8 Habits That Will Change Your Life: The Expert Advice You Need This Year
Wait, so are you saying that
The Mel Robbins Podcast
8 Habits That Will Change Your Life: The Expert Advice You Need This Year
Yeah. It's not just causing fat. It's specifically causing belly fat. So you may not have changed your shape and the rest of your body, but if you're noticing that your belt has become tighter, that's a sign that you could have chronic cortisol. And the other thing is that it's fat that's particularly stubborn.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
8 Habits That Will Change Your Life: The Expert Advice You Need This Year
So if you do notice that the belt is tighter and you think, okay, I definitely need to move a bit more or eat a bit less, and you actually start doing one or both of those things, but the belly fat doesn't change because the cortisol is driving the fat there, regardless of your behavior in the physical world.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
8 Habits That Will Change Your Life: The Expert Advice You Need This Year
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The Mel Robbins Podcast
8 Habits That Will Change Your Life: The Expert Advice You Need This Year
So I'm going to do brain and body, if that's okay. Yeah. So think of this cortisol as a corrosive agent that's literally flowing through your entire brain and body. So in the body, it starts to erode your immunity. So you might notice more colds and flus more often or ones that last for weeks and weeks.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
8 Habits That Will Change Your Life: The Expert Advice You Need This Year
I mean, I certainly remember during the financial crisis when I worked with a lot of banks and hedge funds, people saying, you know, I've had this cold for four, six, eight weeks, but everybody has it. And I had to say to them, do you hear what you're saying that it's not normal to have a cold for six weeks? And this is cortisol. Yeah.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
8 Habits That Will Change Your Life: The Expert Advice You Need This Year
And at the extreme end of that, people were dropping dead of heart attacks on trading floors. So lowering your immunity and corroding your body that much can cause everything from colds and flus to heart attacks and cancers. In the brain, what happens is what I call low power mode, like on your phone.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
8 Habits That Will Change Your Life: The Expert Advice You Need This Year
So once those receptors know there's an imminent threat to our survival, think of the highest functions of the brain. Thinking creatively, thinking flexibly, solving complex problems, overriding our biases. at regulating our emotions. How are those going to serve us now that we're just trying to survive physically? We don't need those things. Don't send any blood supply to those higher functions.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
8 Habits That Will Change Your Life: The Expert Advice You Need This Year
Bring it right down to get up in the morning, go and sit at your desk, look like you're doing your job even if you actually can't really do it. This is the reason that presenteeism costs businesses more than double what absenteeism does. In that low-power mode, it would be better to stay at home for two days and recover and then come back to work and actually function and work with your team.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
8 Habits That Will Change Your Life: The Expert Advice You Need This Year
Because stress impairs the higher functioning of the brain. It just moves the blood supply away from it because you're not going to give up your precious resources for functions like that. And just to put that into context for you, Mel, the brain is a tiny organ. It's a tiny percentage of your whole body. like maybe 2% or 3%. But it uses up 20% to 30% of the breakdown products of what you eat.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
8 Habits That Will Change Your Life: The Expert Advice You Need This Year
Wow. Yeah. That's how hard it's working. It's using up 20% of what you ate that day when you're asleep. It's using up 25% of what you eat when you're working, managing, leading, running your family, just thinking. Right now, we're probably both using 25%. But if you're stressed, it's using 30%.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
8 Habits That Will Change Your Life: The Expert Advice You Need This Year
So the silverback gorillas' stress levels affect the other gorillas more than gorillas of the same status. And so it happens in business, and so it happens in the home.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
8 Habits That Will Change Your Life: The Expert Advice You Need This Year
the leader in quote marks of the entity their stress levels will impact other people more than the other way around or people of equal status so you know the highly stressed boss as an example the the highly stressed parent interesting yeah well makes sense because if you think about it whether it's in the example of the silverback or you take a family system or you take a work system
The Mel Robbins Podcast
8 Habits That Will Change Your Life: The Expert Advice You Need This Year
Well, I think the answer to that is both how do you reduce your own stress if you're the stressed person and how do you protect yourself from other people's stress? It's mostly through mindfulness activities. So activities that connect the brain and the body, because like I said, the glands in the brain. are talking to the adrenal glands and creating this stress situation.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
8 Habits That Will Change Your Life: The Expert Advice You Need This Year
So the way to decrease their activity is through activities like meditation, yoga, time in nature, journaling, gratitude, all of those things that reduce levels of cortisol. Move your autonomic nervous system, which is a nervous system in your body rather than your brain, from sympathetic, which is fright, flight, fight, to parasympathetic, which is rest and recover.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
8 Habits That Will Change Your Life: The Expert Advice You Need This Year
And, you know, lower your heartbeat, lower your blood pressure.
The Mel Robbins Podcast
8 Habits That Will Change Your Life: The Expert Advice You Need This Year
Yes, but with both versions of it, whether it's your own or others, addressing the root cause is important because what you don't want to be doing is just continually shielding yourself from something that's not changing.
The School of Greatness
The Science Of Manifestation: How To Transform Your Energy To Change Your Reality
Well, neuroscience doesn't tell us anything about that or much, let's say, about that at the moment. But that's why I'm probably going to write another book, which I said I would never do. But I'm just so fascinated by this. So when I get back to London, I'm going to start like properly doing the research on this. So far, it's being kind of something I'm interested in.
The School of Greatness
The Science Of Manifestation: How To Transform Your Energy To Change Your Reality
And I have to say, I wasn't sure if my book publisher would be okay with it.
The School of Greatness
The Science Of Manifestation: How To Transform Your Energy To Change Your Reality
Yeah.
The School of Greatness
The Science Of Manifestation: How To Transform Your Energy To Change Your Reality
And I think that it coming from a neuroscientist is a new angle. It's not that there aren't books out there on this kind of thing. But I really want to open up that conversation as well, because there's a lot of people suffering. And like I said, you can sound like you're crazy if you start talking about stuff like this. So I want to open up the conversation
The School of Greatness
The Science Of Manifestation: How To Transform Your Energy To Change Your Reality
Being open, but trying to keep it as rigorous as possible to give people permission to come forward and share these stories. Because I think that's only going to be good for everyone.
The School of Greatness
The Science Of Manifestation: How To Transform Your Energy To Change Your Reality
I feel like what it says, and somebody said this to me actually the last time I was in LA, but it had to land really emotionally for me to believe it. And that's what I want for everyone, is it tells you that you are being guided and it tells you that you're safe and protected.
The School of Greatness
The Science Of Manifestation: How To Transform Your Energy To Change Your Reality
And one of the things I picked up from you a couple of years ago was that you said, sometimes, you know, if I'm feeling like in an emotional crisis, I just say to myself, I'm safe, I'm safe, I'm safe. And I can't tell you how many times I've used that in the last two years.
The School of Greatness
The Science Of Manifestation: How To Transform Your Energy To Change Your Reality
But that's kind of like self-soothing the inner child, right?
The School of Greatness
The Science Of Manifestation: How To Transform Your Energy To Change Your Reality
With this kind of interest and more esoteric things that I've had, like since I met you that time, I'd like to think that it's not, I'm not just safe because I tell myself I'm safe, but I'm safe because I believe in something greater and I'm tapping into it and I'm allowing it to make me feel safe. Because however good you become psychologically at soothing yourself, you can still feel very alone.
The School of Greatness
The Science Of Manifestation: How To Transform Your Energy To Change Your Reality
So feeling like,
The School of Greatness
The Science Of Manifestation: How To Transform Your Energy To Change Your Reality
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's what I meant to say.
The School of Greatness
The Science Of Manifestation: How To Transform Your Energy To Change Your Reality
No. Really?
The School of Greatness
The Science Of Manifestation: How To Transform Your Energy To Change Your Reality
So this is really about inner child and shadow, right? So I think people understand that you've got an inner child that maybe didn't get over things that you experienced in your childhood. Shadow is about the parts of yourself that you've rejected because as a young child, you rely on your primary caregivers for survival.
The School of Greatness
The Science Of Manifestation: How To Transform Your Energy To Change Your Reality
And if there is something that they don't love about you, you want to hide that for all the world so that they will still love you and not let you die.
The School of Greatness
The Science Of Manifestation: How To Transform Your Energy To Change Your Reality
No.
The School of Greatness
The Science Of Manifestation: How To Transform Your Energy To Change Your Reality
So you hide it away in childhood and often find yourself in adulthood no longer even aware of what those things are because you've rejected them so deeply.
The School of Greatness
The Science Of Manifestation: How To Transform Your Energy To Change Your Reality
Yeah. But that's driving a lot of your unconscious behavior.
The School of Greatness
The Science Of Manifestation: How To Transform Your Energy To Change Your Reality
So if you put together the inner child and the shadow, then what happens is you meet people on the same level of psychological wound as you. Oh, man. You also leave people where if you evolve out of that and they haven't been able to. Wow.
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Yeah. Is that right? It's not smell. It's sensing, not through smell, the level of the stress hormone, yeah. Interesting. But that's short-term, right? But the inner child and shadow stuff is longer-term.
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Yeah.
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Mm-hmm.
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Oh, I can see the cogs moving in your brain. I just think it's fascinating.
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I think if it's love you're really looking for, then it's not different.
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Yeah, exactly. The issue is what you're actually looking for.
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Yeah, I think if you want that sense of partnership and friendship and intimacy and you want to be loyal and you want it to be for the long term, then it doesn't matter what gender you are. But if the disconnect is often, and this is a bit of a stereotype, but usually it's more that women want a loving, stable relationship and men perhaps don't want that as much.
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Yeah. Or don't, you know, just don't want it right now, but go through periods where that's what they want and go through periods where that's not what they want, which I guess could be true of any gender as well. But overall, more likely women will want to like be in a monogamous relationship.
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So it comes from evolution. So when we lived in the cave, women did need men to protect them from predators and to hunt for food.
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I mean, they generally didn't hunt as much, so they gathered more. But then it's hard to get protein from what you gather rather than what you hunt. So for survival, and you know, they use the fat and the skins and everything. So it wasn't just food, it was shelter and fire and all of that kind of stuff. So although we don't necessarily need
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a man for those physical things now, it's a very strong survival wiring in the brain. And so what we have, you know, in the cave, we lived nomadically. So often the men would go and hunt and be away for a very long time. Or if they went far enough and they found a cave of the same tribe, they would just stay there and not go back. Why risk your life to travel back for six weeks?
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But over time, a lot of societies in the modern world have asked people to live in unit families. And so we have seen men's brains be rewired. Really? Yeah. Relatively recently, like maybe in the last 10 years, research has showed that when you become a dad for the first time, oxytocin rewires your brain so that you're more into bonding and less into the testosterone competitive stuff.
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Because if you think about it, lions and tigers, they'll eat their own children.
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Yeah.
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I get this question all the time.
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Yeah.
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Well, so from about the age of 35, your testosterone will have started dropping significantly already.
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One's testosterone tends to drop from that age. So when you do become a dad... It drops after you become a dad. for the first time, oxytocin goes up, testosterone drops, you become much more about cuddling and bonding and wanting to stay in the home and look after the mom and the baby. Interesting.
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Yeah.
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If you keep lifting, then you would actually keep your testosterone levels higher. Keep it up. Also, if the baby sleeps in the same room as you, then your testosterone levels drop even more. Come on. So you might want to move out for three months to a different bedroom. Yeah.
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If you sleep in the same room as the baby.
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Because the oxytocin's becoming like, you know, higher and higher because you've got this cute little warm thing that smells so nice and is so like vulnerable and dependent on you. And it's like in the room with you the whole eight hours, you know, just oxytocin boost.
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They are when they're not fertile, but they are not when they are at peak fertility.
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So mid-cycle, when you're ovulating, you're going to want a bad boy. And the rest of the time, you're going to want a nice man that will stay at home and help you look after the baby.
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Hang on, say that again.
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I mean, I think if she's chosen him by then. So this is more about when you're like in the choosing phase. Once you've settled down with someone, then you have like a logical conversation about are we trying for a baby or not, right?
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This is a reason that people cheat.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You're getting really jealous here.
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This fantasy younger high testosterone man.
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Yeah. To some, you know, more consciously or less consciously, depending on the woman. Yeah.
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So let me kind of explain the physiology behind it from the research that we know the best. Yes. Which is in prairie voles. So there are two types of voles in America. Marsh or mountain voles.
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It's a little rat-like creature.
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No.
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It's a vole. It's more like a mouse or a rat. Okay, cool. The ones that live in the marsh or the mountain, they have plenty of food and plenty of shelter, and they're super promiscuous. The ones that moved to the prairie, where there's scarce food and shelter, they snuggle in and settle down and become monogamous for life.
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Yeah.
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These voles. It's a little mess. The voles are monogamous.
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If they live in the prairie, but not if they live in a farm.
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If they have all the food and abundance, they're just... And lots of female voles that they can go and visit.
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Because they know that if they get one vole pregnant and she's left on her own to look after her young, they're going to survive because they're well sheltered. There's plenty of food for her to nip out and bring it back to the babies. Yeah. But in the prairie, if he was promiscuous, then the chances of his offspring dying are quite high because she can't defend the nest herself.
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She can't find enough food for herself and then without help. And so let's extrapolate this. How does this help humans?
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I think it depends on the vole.
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Hang on, there is an answer to that. Okay. We test it through levels of oxytocin and vasopressin.
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Yeah.
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And actually, just to be serious, the research has done more to help with loneliness, grief, and heartbreak, but obviously it's got implications for dating.
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So, because one of the things that we saw with the receptors in the brain is that if If I'm in, no, it's got to be the other way around. If you're in love with me, you've got more vasopressin receptors in your nucleus accumbens, which is on the reward circuitry. And then every time you see me, you get a reward.
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And the longer that we've been dating and stay together and become closer, that reward becomes more intense every time you see me. However, if we then had a prolonged separation, time can down-regulate the effect of those receptors. So obviously there are implications for that in a breakup or grief, right? Right.
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But one of the things I think is so, so important for dating is that if a couple are getting to know each other, and this is all on heterosexual couples in research, then as a woman is sexually interested and liking the guy and enjoying the dating, her oxytocin levels is like slowly, slowly starting to go up.
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When they start actually having sex, she's gonna be releasing higher levels of oxytocin every time she orgasms, and that's gonna make her bond to the guy much more. If you have sex on the first date, The guy's vasopressin levels will plummet straight away and all he'll be interested in is testosterone. If you make him wait, his vasopressin and oxytocin levels go up.
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And then when you do actually have sex, he's already bonded. So it's more likely to become part of a loving relationship.
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Because the vasopressin levels drop as soon as he has sex.
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So vasopressin is the one that makes the prairie voles monogamous. The higher the levels of that and that the receptors appear in the reward circuitry of your brain. And so basically if you see your partner in distress, it affects your brain, those neurons, and you want to comfort her through physical touch. So that's oxytocin. But...
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If you haven't had time for those receptors to appear in the correct place to make you bond, then it goes back to lust. So what I say about love and relationships is that the genetics and the receptors will load the gun, but sexual activity will pull the trigger.
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But if that's what you want, that's fine.
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No, no. And don't say it's fine and it's fun if you actually want a long-term relationship and then be disappointed that they didn't want that too.
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And it changes in a different way if they wait and they actually create a bond. First. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. So for the woman, it's not so much to do with whether they are already in love with the person or not. If they're having sex and they're releasing oxytocin, because we don't have as much testosterone as you. You've got at least seven to eight times as much testosterone as me. And that buffers the effect of oxytocin, whereas I would get the full effect of oxytocin. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And then sex will, then the oxytocin isn't as buffered by the testosterone. So when you've got the vasopressin and the oxytocin high, then the testosterone has less negating effect on it.
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So I think, you know, the whole like visual and smell thing at start is quite interesting. And then the receptors and hormones to do with bonding and sex is really interesting. I would say that because we live so much longer now, you know, we're using these cave analogies. But to be honest, in cave times, you and I would both be dead.
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Yeah.
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So relationships potentially have to last for longer. And I think there's two things to say here. One is that you can use neuroplasticity to keep growing and changing in a way that keeps a relationship fresh. if you are holding onto this fantasy that a relationship has to last forever, even if we're now living till we're 100, right?
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So I think another way to look at it is about being in the present, not necessarily putting this intense pressure on yourself, your partner, and the relationship that it has to last forever.
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Understanding that even if a relationship breaks down and that's obviously difficult to handle at the time, that there are potential possibilities for something that's more right for you at a different age than maybe a choice you made in your twenties. So, you know, nothing, you don't have to be a neuroscientist to say those two things.
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It's kind of like just using your brain to understand that there's a certain amount of time, there are benefits to being in long-lasting relationships, but there are possible alternatives as well.